#3475 RHOC S20E03 Part 2: Amiga Standoff

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3:08Ronnie Karam: jokers are at lunch and vicky is like oh yeah i had to do a seminar today i was uh teaching women about finance finance in retirement so that was really fun um yeah the last time i did a uh sorry a seminar in that place it was trying to get cancer cancer victims to take uh vitamins uh instead of medication that i was selling with brooks but anyway the seminar went great a bunch of retired people. So that's super fun.

3:38Ben Mandelker: Put money in the bank and move to Mexico. That's what I say. Gina's like, that's so smart. Like, Vicky, actually, I want to ask you your opinion on something because I feel like you're a good person to ask. And I feel bad that I haven't asked it already. But like two things I need to ask you. Number one, so I wasn't even thinking about a prenup or anything like that. And Jen's like, oh, are you going to do a prenup with Travis? It's like, yeah. So like I said, I wasn't thinking about it.

4:10Ronnie Karam: If ever you play a board game, do not be on Jen's team. You know, if it's a team game, just don't be on. I mean, Jesus, Jen. What do you think she's talking about?

4:23Ben Mandelker: She's like, and like, I feel like the smarter thing to do is just like, say whatever assets I have currently go to my children, you know? Okay. 100%. Ask Jen what you would do and do the opposite. Okay. Okay. Jen, what would you do? I'd like to have a coffee. Okay. Vicky, what do I do with that? I don't know. I don't know. She's very dumb. Just, just, just compliment her for the dress.

4:46Ronnie Karam: You know, I've really, I've, I really have grown to love Gina. Look at her. She's, I'm super proud of her. Like she's talking about finance with me. I'm proud of her. Anybody that comes to me for advice is solid. You know, I've been through divorce. I've been through marriage. I've been through buying a guy teeth. I've been through my daughter claiming the guy hit on her still dated the guy I've been through so so many things I've been to Mexico before Mexico has ice I'm going to bring ice to Mexico I'm a pioneer okay

5:20Ronnie Karam: Vicky's going to try to get ice in Mexico you know she is like American ice she's going to be calling ice long distance like excuse me I think I have some immigrants next door to me please come here they're like ma 'am where are you i've been uh pretty far i'm in orange county south um

5:40Ben Mandelker: so she's like so i also love how vicky like as soon as like gina asks vicky for some sort of business advice now vicky's like oh yeah i really liked i really like gina she's like really a little girl um so uh so anyway uh then they're asking if uh if vicky's engaged and vicky's like oh well you know he has a ring but like some days he gets mad at me and says i'm not gonna give it you and jen's like wait so he says he has a ring but hasn't given it to you how do you know who's at your doorbell yeah okay jen you get drink a little bit more coffee okay keep up he's had it

6:12Ronnie Karam: for over a year he will give me the rake like i i i i what do you do with a guy like that and she's laughing like it's this funny joke um and she is we see a clip of her telling her brother that yeah he got her a ring but he keeps it in the safe and he's like when you're a good girl i'll give you the ring, which is gross. And Jen's like, wait a minute, is he not asking because he's like, maybe it's not going to work out? I mean, what's the deal with the ring? She's like, I don't need a ring to know that I'm dying for a ring that's in a safe right now that I don't know the combination, Jen. I'm just a happy woman.

6:47Ronnie Karam: I'm a happy woman with seminars. That's all I'm really focused on right now. Thank you for asking.

6:52Ben Mandelker: I am surprised that Vicky has not been swept away by the ocean yet because she does not seem to see red flags. Red flag warnings left and right.

6:59Ronnie Karam: ma 'am vicky is the red flag she is all well she's not the one the red flag but she is a pretty big

7:06Ben Mandelker: red flag as well that's true yeah um so uh so anyway vicky is like so tomorrow i'm gonna meet with tamar and shannon and we're gonna go to lunch um and gina's like well why are you in the middle i'm as if gina does not insert herself in the middle of every single fucking thing in this entire world and vicky is like because they're both my friends and you know i love shannon and I don't condone what Tamar was done, but I do think we need to lead by example and say, we've got to move on. Okay. We're going to lead by example. That's three people giving great examples to America's youth. Vicky, Tamar, and Shannon.

7:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

7:44Ronnie Karam: But I find Shannon has moved on. I mean, I just don't feel, she hasn't forgotten about it, and I don't think she, you know, she doesn't want to speak to her, but she's moved on from it. She was like, yeah, but like, you can't just like forget when like three weeks ago, they're having dinner, you know, a dinner that Emily and I weren't invited to even as like almost decade long housewives. But, you know, you can't forget that they got into like a huge fight and Tamara said all those mean things about her being an alcoholic and like not even being able to get a boyfriend.

8:14Ben Mandelker: So. So Vicky is like, yeah, it's really unfortunate, you know, that Tamara and Shannon had this fight at my ultimate ghost trip moment, but I woke up in a situation if it's going to get too toxic, but I think Tamara feeds on it. It makes me anxious. I get scared for her. And so Gina's like, thank you. Just like cut the head off and like start fresh from the end because there's like no way. I'm like, they've tried that. Vicky was fired for many years. Tamara was fired. Maybe she's saying Shannon should be the next one to be put on the bench, but you know, whatever. So now everyone get excited. The main event, Carmella's house, Carmela and her daughter's wackiness to ensue.

8:58Ben Mandelker: Get ready to fall in love, America.

9:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Carmela, just you see Carmela moving around the kitchen, but like I said earlier, her mouth doesn't move or anything, so I don't even know who's talking. But she's like, well, I'm really happy that you went to school because you really haven't been going to school lately. You gotta go to school or I'm gonna go to jail for you not going to school. You know what I mean? I mean, you really gotta go in there. Mom, was that you? Yeah, what do you know? Well, who else would it be? Cooking around the kitchen. They're like, yeah, but school sucks. And, like, I didn't go to school because, like, I needed to tan.

9:33Ronnie Karam: And then I needed to, like, watch my show. So, yeah, I'm not going to go to school if there's, like, tanning beds and TV shows. Oh, by the way, I was in the drugstore the other day because I wanted to get cough drops. But I didn't know that you had to be 18. And this guy was like, I'll buy you the cough drops. I was like, oh, my God, thanks. No, we do not take money from men in this house. Do we? Do you understand me?

9:59Ben Mandelker: Also, Mom, you know what's really funny is that, like, I went onto Amazon and there were, like, seven vibrators on the cart. Like, what's happening, Mom? It's like, oh, my God. I'm, like, okay, I'm, like, I'm not, like, a vibrator connoisseur. So I just, like, ordered, like, seven to make sure the vibrator fit inside the purse. I'm very aware, like, if somebody didn't have a sense of humor, it might not be received well. but whether it's a purse or a vibrator the only thing that should be said is thank you very much i'm like so did you stick all those vibrators in your hoo-ha and then keep the one that fit and sent the other ones back is that what happened is that is that no she said it had to fit inside the purse so she was trying to oh my god i thought she was being okay i thought she was being coy about like seeing which vibrator.

10:52Ben Mandelker: I thought she meant like, she was like, which vibrator would fit the best in my vagina. And I was like, wow. She put it in the bag.

11:00Ronnie Karam: She put it in the purse that she bought Emily. So Emily would open the purse and find a vibrator.

11:05Ben Mandelker: But Amazon has... Jen not getting things. Should I go back and make more jokes about Jen just being slow on the uptake? Well, listen, it's the end of like

11:15Ronnie Karam: a 12 show. week and we're fucking looney tunes i don't know what half this shit is going on but you know we'll still do five hours about it um amazon has dimensions on every that's what i was gonna say why aren't you just just measure the fucking thing i mean i know measuring's hard we all have to do it and it sucks where it's the measuring tape it's never in the right place you know and then you bring it out and it slaps you in the face comes rolling right back it's hard, but still, come on.

11:45Ben Mandelker: This is also a great use case for AI. I know some people really, really, AI is a very complicated thing. You're going to get it now. I'm going to get it now. I mean, obviously when it comes to artistry, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I think a good use case for AI is typing in, will this dildo fit or will this vibrator fit in this Dior clutch? And I think you could really just save a lot of time and energy just by doing that. Like, that's what we should have the robots be doing. It sends you back a picture with, like,

12:16Ronnie Karam: a shiplash shack with eyes that's floating on a cloud with dragon wings. Like, wait a minute.

12:24Ben Mandelker: I really had such an interesting interpretation of this scene. I'm really glad you clarified it for me because I was horrified. I really was horrified. I was... Oh.

12:38Ronnie Karam: Okay. And the daughter is like, yeah, that guy was going to buy me cough drops. And she's like, you do not accept gifts from men ever. Being in Playboy, that was a wake-up call for my own self-awareness. I would have guys looking in my windows, and they would, like, send me envelope fan mail, which I kind of laughed at that term. But it is creepier, you know, thinking back in the day before email. People actually could look up your address just in the big book that they had at home and be like, I'm going to stalk her. I'm going to send a poop bomb to somebody or whatever that way. It was a lot creepier.

13:12Ronnie Karam: But just the envelope fan mail.

13:15Ben Mandelker: I know. It's like how if you ask a kid to mime answering the phone, like growing up, it was always like, this is a crap, it's on demand thing. But you would do this. You put your thumb to your ear and you put your pinky by your mouth and the rest is like a fist. It's like, I'm answering the phone. But now they just hold their entire palm up because it's just like the phone. So kids, kids these days, phones don't need the thumb and the pinky to represent the phone. Now it's just your palm is your, is your cell phone.

13:43Ronnie Karam: You can also tell who the improvisers are because they don't do this because that's not how you hold a phone. And they don't do this because that's not how you hold a phone. You do it like this. You hold it like this, like you're holding a phone. You see? It's a lot of money. It took a lot of money and a lot of work to learn how to do that.

13:59Ben Mandelker: As a graduate of the Groundlings, I knew that.

14:02Ronnie Karam: I am hilarious and...

14:08Ben Mandelker: Now, show me how you mime throwing a cell phone at Alfredo. Thank you. Thank you.

14:17Ronnie Karam: Funnily enough, that's also the sound the cell phone made as it bounced off of Alfredo's head. Not much in there. Thank you.

14:27Ben Mandelker: Thank you. That was the actual cell phone. That was not a rim shot.

14:36Ronnie Karam: So she is saying that she learned a lot from being a Playboy lady, and she doesn't want her kids to just be trusting of men. She's going to be cautious of kids, which is good. So she tells a story about how she carries mace and she wants them to carry mace. But watch out, because one time I was at a concert or something, and something really inappropriate happened, so I turned around and amazed somebody. But whoops, got everybody at the concert.

15:11Ronnie Karam: It's like, wow. Carmella went, I was like, wow, okay. I'm liking Carmella. Why doesn't her mouth move to, what a monster? Who does that?

15:22Ben Mandelker: I think for Carmela, I just need her to be part of more group scenes because her home scenes are killing me. It's just like these long scenes in this cream colored kitchen with like sort of pre-planned banter with the daughters. And I'm like, this is not doing it for me. And to be fair, I wouldn't like the scene with any housewife. I can't stand these scenes.

15:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's kind of all of them this season. but you know i don't really watch housewives for the home scenes i'm not here for that i never have been and that's a big part of housewives it's just not my favorite part of it so it's just one of

15:57Ben Mandelker: those episodes where it's like home scenes i like a home scene if it's like gonna be i think you know noteworthy like the one i think when the jen the scenes jen has with her son later on was was i think like that was a very good scene but like these sort of scenes it's like whatever and i I still contend my observation from last week remains, which is that it feels like Carmela's home scene is just some sort of transplant from an e-reality show. I'm like, what is happening here? Are we still on Bravo? So we go to Jen's house and Emily's come over to help organize her closet. And she's like, remember when I told you about my closet?

16:41Ben Mandelker: What? Wait, is this it? This is a whole closet. No, no, I have, I have no room in my closet because Ryan takes up the whole closet. So, like, I want you to, like, come in and be like, you'll never actually, you're never going to wear that. Heather's so mad that he's not part of this scene. You know she's so mad.

16:58Ronnie Karam: That is hilarious. Yeah, Heather. That is hilarious, though, that Ryan takes up the whole closet. Fucking Ryan with his bedazzled denim and his, all his tank tops and stuff. We actually see his closet later, and it was pretty funny. so uh jen's it's like a clean out the closet scene and these clothes that she starts pulling out are just insane they're insane everyone is worse than the one before it where are you going

17:28Ben Mandelker: there dressing like this did we uh happen to see the dulce dress that heather dubrow famously saw her buy at fashion island remember that scene where heather's like she doesn't have money but She bought a Dolce dress. I saw her do it from afar. Whatever that was, remember? Oh, no, it was that she bought it and then Heather walked by the dress at Bloomingdale's or Neiman Marcus. It was like, this cost$5 ,000. How could she afford that? I am mad. What is it, a pickle? Thank you, Alfredo. Thank you.

18:03Ronnie Karam: Thank you. Thank you. So these clothes are hideous. And Emily's like, I want to try one on. So she tries on like a red sequin thing with feathers all over it, starts dancing around. She's like, wow, you look really great in that. You can have that. She's like, oh, well, I guess I'd wear it in Vegas. No, even Vegas would say no. Even Vegas would be like damn less tacky.

18:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah, it's true. And then Emily's like, you know, Ryan's closet is even more interesting. There was a floral section. I mean, and there's a black t-shirt section. I mean, I'm married to a man that only wears the in and out t-shirts every day. So, I mean, this is a lot for me to take. And he's got like, he's wearing an in and out t-shirt and he's holding up an in and out t-shirt.

18:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, if I had the choice of a restaurant to find our relationship, I'd call it out and out. King of smart. No,

19:06Ben Mandelker: no. And Heather.

19:13Ben Mandelker: She doesn't attach herself to every comedy team. So they're looking through this stuff. There's lotion. She's like, Emily's using up some of Ryan's lotion because I'm a little ashy. So then Jen says, so I literally got a text from Evie the other day and she's like, mom, I want to come home. I feel so ugly today. I'm like, no. No, Grayson's getting pulled over for 105 miles per hour. And then the next few days after his ticket, he's holed up in his room. And then something shut down. And it's setting him so hard.

19:46Ronnie Karam: Besides, that's like people go to school, don't they? I don't understand how the first part makes with the second part. I think she's like, oh, these kids. It's so hard keeping up with the kids. One of them's going 105 miles. The other one wants to come home because they don't feel cute enough to be in school.

20:07Ben Mandelker: these kids. Yeah, and I actually feel genuinely bad for Jen because she really is at a loss here and she sees, like, she's like, my, you know, Gray, he was always full of life and light and all of a sudden it's not there, he's withdrawing, he's in his room, I don't know how to fix this. Like, that's gotta be just, like, a terrible feeling for a parent. Like, you feel so helpless. So, like, despite everything, my heart really does go out to her because she just is like, how do I get through to my kid? How do I make sure this does not go wrong?

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22:29Ronnie Karam: Last year, fucking Luke, I had to do so much for Luke that my daughter felt like she was ghosted by her own mother. So thanks a lot, Luke. Thanks for another one. So, you know, I really have to give a lot of attention to my daughter now. And if she's going to cheer and I need to pick her up, if Shane can't do it, probably at the in and out waiting for a new version of that fucking shirt to come out. Then I'll go to her cheer and I'll go half an hour early and put my phone away and sit there and watch goddamn cheer for half an hour.

22:59Ben Mandelker: You know, I made such an effort to do this. You know, I will watch her. Jen's like, yeah, I probably need you to tell me this because I feel like I do the same stuff and I'm just I'm tired. weird she's like well i know but like we have to lay in bed and watch movies with them even the live action moana if it comes to it and jen's like you're so right did you i tried i don't even have a kid but i was like bueller do you want to cuddle up and watch some moana i lasted um six minutes

23:29Ronnie Karam: of the live the live action one's already available to watch at home um oh no i watched

23:35Ben Mandelker: a regular moana classic i'm seeing it because my friend my cousin with the baby jenna that's the

23:42Ronnie Karam: that's a little isla's favorite movie and she plays it she has little toys that start singing it so i'm like i'm gonna watch moana i didn't like it but i saw the live action one is the rock um supposed to be terrible yeah i'm not saying the original was terrible i just i couldn't get into it then i watched cape fear instead a lot more people getting murdered and chased that one's a lot better. So I would suggest anyone who needs to really bond with their young children, Cape Fear. Just put it on, cuddle up. Bueller and I have never been closer.

24:12Ben Mandelker: I was going to say ruthless people. I think that'd be a great one to watch with your kids. Just to see if they're maybe gay. See how well they respond to it, and they'll be like, you know what this kid's on the right track if they say yes um as bet midler gets her revenge then you you're on the right track when bet midler is doing aerobics and visualizing herself in those magazines and the kid is saying like do it queen good for you you've got you've got a great

24:47Ronnie Karam: gay child coming up so we go over to teddy or tamra one of their homes um i think i guess i'm coming to check up on teddy and um it took two hours to get there on a saturday that's crazy so she talks about how close they are bready bready oh my god sorry that's my best friend teddy um had brain cancer and you know we've known this because tamra brought it up every time she got in trouble last year she's like how dare you how dare you say anything that i did was bad i'm going through the hardest time of my life teddy has cancer and uh tamra is saying that teddy

25:29Ben Mandelker: sort of turned a corner for the moment and so they go upstairs to talk and teddy's like she's not on as much medication as she had been she's not shaking the way she had been and she's talking about how it just takes time. And, um, and then that Teddy basically has, uh, I think maybe some, I don't know if it's survivor's guilt or whatever, but like saying the doctor says, usually when you go through this procedure or go through this medicine, a lot of people can't even walk afterwards. And the fact that you can, it's actually really amazing. You should be really grateful. But then Teddy starts crying.

25:59Cause she sometimes feels like, like I'm not grateful.

26:02Ben Mandelker: And I start to feel like I'm letting everyone down. And then Tamara starts to cry and says how it was like very difficult to watch you know her best friend go through all this and um says that teddy's like a really strong person that's pretty um that's pretty sad you know well fucking going

26:22Ronnie Karam: through something like that i mean i get it when people are like well be grateful because it could be worse okay see you in a few it's like um hi have you seen like everything that i'm going through right now. So I got that. I felt that when she was saying that. Yeah, I think Teddy's been - Then Tamara's like, yeah, cancer, am I right? Just like my friends. I mean, my friends don't even understand. I was like, oh my god. Tamara. I know. It's just like -

26:48Ben Mandelker: It was just horrible last year. I don't want to make this about me whatsoever, but as the highest ranking person and I in iHot radio history, I just have to say, my friends were so mean to me. And even Teddy's like, yeah, um like don't be an asshole like don't take this out on your friends because then you're the asshole

27:10Ronnie Karam: so yeah basically and she tells her you know when it comes to your girlfriends hi i'm teddy you've got to have people that you really open up to and tell the good the bad and the ugly to she can't anytime somebody tells the good and the bad and ugly to tamra she uses it against them immediately so tamra has tamra is blocking herself from all of that but uh tamra then says that um

27:35Ben Mandelker: watching teddy battle cancer it's put her you know it put her over the edge last year but it also taught her a lot she's like before i was like oh you're shooting on her and you're not paying taxes and all those things but now i'm just like in the big scheme of things does it really matter batch life is too short okay oh well uh it's a really tamra is reformed season

27:59Ronnie Karam: another one well we'll see we're gonna get re-baptized we had the go we had the getting baptized in a pool season then a couple years later we had the coming back to satan season now we're gonna go back to the baptism you know the figurative pool i guess oh tamra give her a couple episodes. She'll be back to, Oh, really? Your husband cheated on you with the penguin, and you're broke. Bitch! Drug addict bitch!

28:30Ben Mandelker: Now we go over to Laguna Beach, and I say this with authority because I looked at this restaurant, Brussels Bistro, to go to for dinner. And instead I went to Amar Santana's restaurant, and it was very mediocre, as I mentioned earlier this week. But Brussels Bistro and Gina and Travis are going to have a dinner, and they both

28:49Ronnie Karam: eat all you can eat mussels so gina is like i'm not into that are you all you can eat mussels that's too many mussels oh a thousand percent i'm into it uh i love them i love mussels i would totally eat i like mussels but i feel like mussels are a few things than you dip you you know you eat a few and dip your bread that's just a lot of a slimy interior too not slimy i don't know It's too much fish.

29:17Ben Mandelker: I love it. I love it. Mussels are so delicious. So I'm not going to validate your feelings on this one.

29:28Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry I made that even to a conversation. I was just like, all you can eat mussels? I don't know. I'll order the mussels. But the all you can eat sounds like a lot. And then they ordered two orders of all you can eat mussels. Are you not allowed to share at Brussels Bistro? I was getting a little annoyed at this. and I don't know why, but I think it's also because was Gina wearing shoulder pads in this? I feel like she was. Very, very large shoulder pads.

29:52Ben Mandelker: She just had two giant muscles on her shoulders under her blazer. Yeah, muscle shells. Yeah. So then she orders some hot water and lemon. She's like, oh my god, this reminds me of Emily's birthday party because I was dressing at Nona Gina, remember, because I ordered the hot water and lemon, and I was like, that's so I'm bringing on for this situation Now I'm like ordering like hot water and lemon Like isn't this crazy Like ordering hot water and lemon like twice It's crazy right Yeah so anyway

30:23Ronnie Karam: Like now that I've like done a really Casual launch Into a conversation talking about last week It's very smooth I've been doing this 10 years So We met this girl named Carmella And like Carmella Like she's married to like a big twine football player. Travis is like, is it you? No, it's not me, Travis. So she told me that, like... Your shoulders are gigantic right now. Okay.

30:56Ben Mandelker: Well, so by the way, one of the traditions of Orange County is that the season always has to begin with Gina being a total asshole to someone for no good reason. So here she is. So she told me she has a real estate license, but she's, like, definitely not a realtor. And like she said, she's a developer and she like kicks some clients on and like she helps them build and design their homes and Travis is like um I wouldn't call that a developer but I mean yeah well neither would Vicky Gumbelson and she knows everything about business and we see a flashback at the lunch that we're at or the breakfast and Jen is like um you know Jen, Vicky and Gina are all you know they're all aghast at the fact that that Carmela would call herself a developer.

31:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, which is kind of weird. Vicky's like, that's not a developer, that's a rehabber. Okay. And Gina's like, well, honestly, like I'm not clear what Carmela does, but like obviously she knows real estate words. So that's good. Gina, you've been in real estate like for five minutes, okay? I'm trying to think of a very famous real estate person. but um the you're no donald trump like that's the only one that's in my head right now because that's what tortures me do better yeah i feel like we could as as america as a country

32:24Ben Mandelker: rissu manski rick hilton anybody yeah um so sorry when you're no christine quinn gina okay

32:36Ronnie Karam: get over yourself you're no mary we never really know her last name um you're no mary from selling sunset you're no you're no amanza so gina is like um she's like

32:54Ben Mandelker: so what do you thought it was not very romantic but like what are your thoughts on a prenup and travis is like um look the reasoning by a prenup is like very logical and like whatever i it's not like i take it personal i'm like that's not doing it like we're gonna break up okay because it's like not about the fact that i make more money than travis it's like more about the fact that i've like worked incredibly hard and i want to protect myself and like i want to protect my kids from like people who claim that the developers but they are just like only rehabbers so like this like prenup is like non-negotiable for me yeah so like let's talk about my main storyline

33:29Ronnie Karam: I know because we're on a TV show. Should I change my name? Because like, I feel so pressured to change my last name to your last name. But then my kids like, they like, don't even care because like, they think I'm still their mom. Even if I have a different last name. He's like, I literally don't care. Wow. This is not.

33:51Ben Mandelker: What about, let me tell you, I know you don't care, but guess what? A few days ago, I asked my son, Luca, if he would care. And guess what he said? Flashback. I don't care. So, like, yeah. It's, like, a lot to figure out right now.

34:06Ronnie Karam: And, like, should I really, like, trust the opinion of someone who's best friends with a tiny cartoon shark? I don't know. That's what he's at. And Travis is like, um, you're, like, kind of making a big deal out of it. I'm not making a big deal out of it. That's you. Don't make it seem like I care. Because whatever. It's like, nah, but, like, it's not about you. something about my children because like my children don't have the same last name as me and they're gonna be like they don't have the same last name as me like would it help if i like put like huge shoulder pads on all my children i don't know like what they feel like closer to me gina enough for christ's sake this is a two-minute conversation this is the third episode you're blabbing on about this are we gonna go 20 episodes with gina her last one's gonna be like oh guys I'm going to have a changing my last name, or not changing my last name party.

35:00Ronnie Karam: Okay. And then they're going to get cakes that say Gina Kirshenschneider, like the longest name of all time, and take up the entire cake.

35:08Ben Mandelker: I know. Gina, what about Travis's last name is not appealing to you? Because as far as I can see, it's only six letters. Two of them are the same letters. And all three consonants are right next to each other on the alphabet. I think this is a major upgrade from Kirshenschneider. Literally having to write that out every single time. Mullen. M-U-L-L-E-N. Oh, that's right. it's like it's been 10 years I still don't know how to write Gina Kirschneider is there an SCH is it an EI is it an IE like it's too much

35:34Ronnie Karam: on the other hand named Gina Mullen she's going to be accused of pondering things and who wants that you know but in a slangy way

35:47Ben Mandelker: Gina just Mullen what is Gina doing Gina Mullen well but maybe she's not pondering things maybe she's just cooking some fruits and some wine

36:01Ronnie Karam: oh my god it's fragrant already we've come up with better storylines for gina than gina has

36:08Ben Mandelker: for christ sake you know what i would love i would love to see if we i would love if we could just like go to a scene where we just like see someone who's like really relatable and like up the people so let's go to heather's penthouse oh look it's a scrapbook and it's moldy thanks a lot mother and then we go to carmella's house and she's uh vacuuming without so she's she has a she has a wireless vacuum that she's vacuuming with but like the the charger's still attached

36:38Ronnie Karam: and you know i don't she's like it's not supposed to plug into a wall or something Like, this is ridiculous. I was like, okay, so you don't vacuum.

36:49Ben Mandelker: You don't have to fake it for us. Is it that she doesn't realize that it's running on batteries right now and she thinks it's just, like, possessed and on? She's like, whoa, okay, crazy.

36:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she doesn't understand her vacuum. So just don't pretend to vacuum, okay? Nobody needs this. Or something. Yeah. Then we go to Shannon. She's trying to give a pill to Archie in a carrot. I'm going to shove this pill in a carrot. I'm going to give it to Archie. and Archie's like, fuck no, and keeps eating around the pill and spitting it out. You have to shove it down their throats, kind of. That's how the vet does it. It's like, not down their throats, but like you take your finger and you push it all the way to the back to where they can't help. They can't deny you. Follow the pill. I can't believe I have to show you how to do this, Shannon.

37:29Ronnie Karam: Come on.

37:31Ben Mandelker: Oh, well, David said I was too bossy around the house. I apparently was overbearing, so I'm just trying to modulate, because unlike Tamara, I learn from the past. But apparently, being bossy is the only way to get these men to do things around here.

37:48Ronnie Karam: Jen is talking to her son, Grayson. So this is their big dramatic scene. And she's trying to be like, okay, well, you know, like, I'm still upset about your ticket. But, I mean, something's obviously wrong with you. What is it, Grayson? And he's like, uh, uh. That's a sad scene, so I don't even want to imitate it. He's like, that'll come for another day. But, yeah, he's kind of uncomfortable. and he talks about, he's like, duh, like, what do you think is wrong, mom? I don't see my dad. My parents are divorced. And she's like, oh, still? That's the issue? Oh. I love that.

38:22Ben Mandelker: That's so sad. I love that little digging she needed to do just to get that answer. It's like, just meaning that like, this is such a top of mind issue for him. And she's like, oh, really? i didn't even know it's like jen like come on jen pay attention but it's really sad the kid looks very uncomfortable he probably like he's on camera he just got like he's he knows it's gonna be emotional it's like i just feel for this poor kid you know i don't like that he was reckless in the speeding and everything but i do feel badly because i think that he is obviously it's a it's a very vulnerable time and you know in your in your life when you're like 17 and your parents are getting divorced i am you know and and like i just feel bad for him i feel me but like

39:11Ronnie Karam: it is really going through it and then ultimately you know national tv from all this is crazy and this is the one who start starts a fire with his friends right it has not been confirmed i think it was unnamed but i assumed oh well he's you know like you said already uncomfortable all this stuff's going on and he's filming this for a TV show where he's going to be judged and ragged on and all this. And he's going on about being bullied and like people aren't being nice to him. And he starts crying. And I was like, don't put this. I don't. This shouldn't be on TV.

39:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think I should put it on TV. I mean, I thought it was like, I thought it was a very, it was, it was a captivating scene for me. I thought it was, I appreciated it being on TV. I hated hearing that he was getting bullied that's really terrible I don't like that at all and I just I feel I really do feel bad for this kid I feel like he's really really going through it and and Jen is crying but you know what I didn't love is that he has to console Jen because it's like it should not be like Jen I know like she's crying because she feels like she's let him down I just felt bad that like I'm turning into Gina I felt bad I felt bad I felt bad that he had to console her when he is the one who's going through the real shit you know and so or I should say not the real shit she's going through it too but like his stuff i think is a bit more i don't know like impactful she's trying because she's saying i did this to you

40:42Ronnie Karam: like i'm the one who left your dad i'm the one who did you know i'm the one who did all of this she's going to she's feeling too yeah so she's like i'm sorry and he's like it's not you mom and she said maybe if i didn't know how painful it was for my kids maybe i would have dug my heels in, you know? But what's been done has been done. And there's just not enough sorries I can say to Grayson that's going to take this away from him. All I can do is promise him that I will buy more really short dresses with a lot of glitter and feathers that are extremely bright colors. I mean, if anything says slow down, it's that.

41:16Ronnie Karam: Am I right? Thank you so much for listening to The Scene America. Thank you. Thank you so much.

41:21Ben Mandelker: Would you like to do some yoga in a parking lot? Would that make you feel better so now we go to the quiet woman and vicky and uh shannon and tamra are going to be uh attempting for the 45th thousandth time to come back together for the trace amigas oh my god

41:43Ronnie Karam: so here we go another quiet women makeup scene with these three crazies so vicky comes in she's She's limping in, you know, because she had her knee or whatever. God knows. She's had everything falling off this year. So she's limping in. She's like, oh, hi there. Hi, Julius. Okay, look. Love the side. Love the side you have in front where it says respect each other. You're going to get kicked out. Is this because you had some housewives in here?

42:06Ben Mandelker: Get a job. Seriously. Get a job. Get a job. So she says, you know, last time we were in here, the quiet woman wasn't so quiet. If Tamara doesn't stay calm and not use any bad words like fuck, drunk, or broke, like this is going to be code red. Okay? This could be table flipping. And this is going to be plate launching. Like, this is going to be everything we don't want it to be. Vicky's trying to tee up the fact that this is going to, like, she's trying to make it seem like, get ready. This scene's about to be crazy, America. It's not.

42:35Ronnie Karam: But it's not. Tamara comes in. She's like, oh, wow. The infamous table. We'll send it through the plate and send it to my plate, bitch. That was pretty funny. Okay. Bye, Vicky. She's like, well, she only says that when she's ordering too much food.

42:54Ben Mandelker: So she's like Oh god I didn't blow drop my hair today Okay I'm heading out to the desert so it doesn't even matter So Tamara's like okay well I'm gonna go to your desert house when you invite me I'm waiting Okay listen before Shannon gets here I think I'm gonna start with this Okay what do you think Okay you know what Shannon We've both done things to each other I've been hurt you've been hurt And you're a fucking bitch liar Shut up

43:19Ronnie Karam: Shannon Shannon, I just want to say, person to person, I'm not a drunk, you are a drunk, okay? I can keep a man, you can't keep a man. You want to be friends again?

43:33Ben Mandelker: Okay, Shannon, okay, I'm rubber, you're glue, and my type of rubber is like the hottest rubber you've ever seen. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, and then you suck up your asshole.

43:52Ronnie Karam: And Vicky's like, yeah, you should probably start the story with I'm sorry. Just say I'm sorry. She's like, no, I'm not podcasting for nothing. What do I do? I can do that. Why wouldn't you say I'm sorry? Does it hurt you? Does it hurt? Does it like what? Snap. Is it like a stab? Is it a stab in your heart? Just say I'm sorry, Tabra. She's like, no, I'm not doing it. I did it all last year. And everybody's mad at me again. I'm sick of being in the middle and everybody saw it. Commercials. Here comes one right now. Losing weight can be like trying to roll a wheelbarrow up a hill. You can do it, but it's so much better and easier with support.

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46:39Ben Mandelker: So Shannon comes in and she's like, Hi, is Tamara going to acknowledge the hurtful things that she's done in the last couple of months? My hopes are not that high. No, no, no.

46:50Ronnie Karam: I don't think she will. So, okay, is Shannon going to acknowledge that she's dressed like she's going to perform in nonsense at a community theater? What is she wearing? Why is she dressed like a nun?

47:05Ben Mandelker: She literally is wearing the school uniform that the girls wore in the private school I went to for middle school. Like the girls had to wear like black jumpers with like white turtlenecks underneath. It's crazy.

47:15Ronnie Karam: She's wearing a white turtleneck with a black sleeveless dress over it. It looks crazy. She needs a big crucifix. So she comes in. Well, as someone engaged to the Lord, we'll see how this all turns out. So they order some food. What?

47:37Ben Mandelker: I'm on the run from the mob, and I'm hiding out in a convent. Shannon Act.

47:46Ronnie Karam: so tamar's like do you have any bread by chance she'll probably shit shit shit it up she loves to carve thanks

47:54Ben Mandelker: so vicky's like okay all right so okay let's here we go all right let's just rub her in it rub in her ass okay so let here we go and they're just sitting there and tamar's like just waiting for the jeopardy music to come on any minute now as if tamar has ever watched jeopardy in her life what is something you've never watched so vicky is like okay definitely see i've seen it So Tamara's like Okay I'm thankful that Vicky put this together And I know Shannon that the two of us Have done a lot to each other to hurt each other But I'd like to get to a place where we just Like move forward, we can have fun, get along Get milk, milk, lemonade around the corner Chocolate's made

48:35Ronnie Karam: Well Go ahead I thought that was the end of your sentence I heard a dot dot dot, so I jumped in Sorry, please, continue Oh, in conclusion, uh-oh, Tootsie Brown, your turn.

48:51Ben Mandelker: Thank you.

48:52Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm thankful that Vicki put this together. Oh, sorry, that was your line. To me, it's interesting. Very, very interesting. Oh, is this bread? Oh, that's fantastic. Can I have some bread with this bread? Thank you. Now, what was it, a month ago, you sat in a booth with a bunch of women and said that I was a drunk, that I would never get a man, that I had no money. Do you remember that? Yeah.

49:19Ben Mandelker: How do you think that makes me feel? And by the way, I don't remember clearly because I'd had a few beverages and remind me who I owe for that meal because I wasn't able to pay that night. And has anyone been able to find me a guy? Okay, thank you so much.

49:41Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, probably that wasn't good. And I'm sorry I said it, okay? I'm sorry. But then how do you think of, I feel when you said it? She's like, uh, sorry. And Vicki's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because you and this is Tamara. She'll never just say I'm sorry. It's like, yeah, but you did this to me. That's why I'm upset, so.

50:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because Shannon does the, you were so mean. You said all these things. How do you think it makes me feel? She's like, how do you think it makes me feel? And Vicki's like, no. answer the question. Okay. How does it make Shannon feel? Well, probably not good. And I'm sorry that I said whatever it was I said that bothered you so much. So I don't know. Get over a bitch. It's like, oh, well, it's always, it's sorry, but it's always sorry, but no, sorry, period. Now, how does it make me feel? She took out the contraction, made it two separate sentences and they're like, oh, okay, that's fine. Yeah.

50:36Ben Mandelker: She really can't get away.

50:38Ronnie Karam: She really can't stop. You know, it's hard. You've been in the cycle your whole life of never honestly apologizing. How are you supposed to start now at the quiet woman of all places? So Shannon's like, well, I did move forward from two years ago to last year. You know, I just brushed things under a rug. But then last year you came at me again. And she's like, well, you're just not moving forward, Shannon. If you're brushing things under a rug, okay. I tried to move forward with you. Okay. And I just didn't really. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're making headway here. we're making headway here right shannon's eating bread shannon's eating bread that's good but you know i feel sometimes like you're the pot calling the kettle black because i met with emily and she told me she went up to you and hugged you and you said oh yeah well now i'll call i heart and say i can invite you to events now how do you think that made emily feel okay well that's not this is weak that's that's neither here nor there shannon come on let's stay tamra did enough to you that you can just stay with Tamara.

51:36Ronnie Karam: You know, don't bring Emily into a scene she doesn't need to be in. She's in enough.

51:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that was a stretch. Shannon's like, I would have brought up some other grievance, but unfortunately, I'm a little bit too drunk on alcohol and bread to remember anything, so I'm just going to go with this Emily thing. So Shannon's like, I mean, I don't know that making a joke about something that was clearly hurtful right after it happened was appropriate, but apparently that is how you roll. Mm-hmm. She's like, oh, God, this is the thing. Oh, here we go again. I mean, Emily is really hurt by it. She's really, really hurt by it. And therefore, I'm hurt by it because Emily is a friend of mine.

52:16Ben Mandelker: And I have to show that I'm a better friend than you are by being friends to her right now. So there we go.

52:21Ronnie Karam: Emily, another one who's always been a great friend to Shannon. Oh, Shannon. Well, you know, she is very hurt. You know, she had a rough week this week. She was given a$5 ,000 purse. Hold on. I can't even think about it without crying.

52:37Ben Mandelker: And Gina, I mean, she might have to change her name to Mullen. I mean, to think of all the fruity wine we're going to have to have our Christmas time. It's horrifying, and you just have no sympathy for it.

52:51Ronnie Karam: Everyone is terrified of you. Look, Gina is packing herself like a fragile package from Amazon because she is so afraid of being around you. The woman can't even sit in a booth, Tamara She is terrified of you

53:07Ben Mandelker: So, Tamara's like Oh, God, you guys always pick up on the stupidest little things And try to make it into something big Oh, I called you an alcoholic Boo-hoo Oh, I said you broke Boo-hoo Oh, I said you can't have a man Boo-hoo So it's a teeny tiny little stupid thing

53:24Ronnie Karam: Listen, I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Michael today I said, I'm feeling hurt, and I need you to understand I don't want to blow dry my hair today. And then he said in response, I'm not giving you the ring today. And that's how a relationship should be.

53:38Ben Mandelker: Do you guys understand? Do you understand? Okay, I'm going to say something that Archie wished she could have said in the backseat of Shannon's car. Let's stay in our lane. Let's stay in our lane, okay?

53:52Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't want to put you in the middle of all of it. Vicky, literally sitting in the middle. and she's like but I am in the middle you know what I don't have family here my girlfriends are sacred to me okay and I love you guys I love you so much you know that listen we know Tamar's a we know Tamar's in that thought we know that Tamar's got a spunky personality she's spunky

54:15Ben Mandelker: okay yes I'm well aware of that and Vicky says aging has taught me a lot about friendships that we can't take them for granted because nothing nothing's been that bad where they can't move on I mean, they haven't slept with each other's boyfriends or husbands. They haven't stolen from each other. They've got, yeah, they've got sharp tongues. I just want them to get back together. And when she kept saying that stuff, I'm like, yeah, yeah. This is Real Housewives. Nothing is off limits.

54:39Ronnie Karam: Also, you're Vicky, who hates everybody new, who's mean to everybody. Like, what are you talking about? This whole, like, the new Vicky is hilarious to me. It's like the new Vicky, the new Tamra, the calm Shannon. someone needs to light a fire under somebody's ass soon because this shit's crazy so Tamara's like okay let me try again Shannon I'm so so sorry you're an alcoholic and can't keep in and that hurts you and I'm really glad that you're in a good place right now and I just want to be around you while you're in a happy place so continue to be happy instead of a miserable girl like y 'all usually she's like oh absolutely well I can be friends with you This potato is loaded.

55:24Ronnie Karam: So, we're back.

55:27Ben Mandelker: Well, I mean, I don't know if it's me or the cheesy bread speaking, but Tracy's Amigos are back. It's Tracy's Amigos. All this?

55:38Ronnie Karam: All right. Help me to my car. Can we do like a three-way talk or a three-way text from time to time? We used to have that. Remember that? Three-way talk.

55:49Ben Mandelker: Three ways. I don't like using that word ever since. I learned that I was the third, and I was sent away from David and that slop on the beach. God, we're back. There is only one three-way I care about, and that is the Lord, the Spirit, and the Holy Ghost.

56:08Ronnie Karam: Okay? What kind of religious kid am I that I can't come up with the Holy Trinity? The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Jesus. Oh, wow.

56:20Ben Mandelker: the three way that I like the most are the three lanes of the highway just so much more room to move your car around on anyway that's it everyone Orange County another episode is done thanks oh my god an hour and 52 minutes what is wrong with us says me who sent us on 10 million tangents thanks everyone for being here and we will catch you on Monday have a great weekend bye everybody

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