#3476 RHOA S17E16: Rum Bum Flameout and the Diddler Riddler

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1:26Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that happens? What happens when there's so much that happens? What happens when there's so much that happens?

1:39Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens? I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi, Ben. Hi. How are you? Good. Welcome to your show. It's Monday and this is Real Housewives of Atlanta Day. As usual, if you want this on video, you can get that at Patreon. It's also where you get our bonus episodes. This week's bonus is going to be a trailer trash for Real Housewives of New York City. The return. So we'll be doing that. We do Amazon Lives every Monday at 1.30 p.m. Pacific time. And we also do Crappy Hour every other Monday at 5.30 Pacific time. Sorry, Amazon Live is every Monday. Crappy Hour Live is every other Monday.

2:26Ronnie Karam: Tonight is a Crappy Hour Monday, so we'll be on at 5.30 Pacific time. It's free on YouTube and Patreon and Instagram. So find us any of those places. Get links to all of this stuff and our link in bio on good old Instagram. Hey, everybody. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

2:45Ben Mandelker: A whole week kicks off right now, okay? Very excited. So, Real Housewives of Atlanta, I mean, they're definitely getting to the finish line of their season finale this coming Sunday. Yes. This must be penultimate episode.

3:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Season 17, episode 16, Halloween Hot Pocket. Yeah, they're still going. I think it's way too many episodes for this season, as we've said multiple times. This season needed a good 12 episodes. It was 12. That said, I was cracking up at a lot of parts of this episode. I mean, it really did have a lot of classic Housewives tropes. It had the starting a business with no business. Actually, like having a business launch when you don't have the business. It's very She-By-Sharee, you know. Rum bum with no rum. How dreadful. You know, it's very that. Then we had, you know, the guy with the cheating allegations showing up at the party to confront people.

3:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It felt like kind of like a, to me, like a last gasp just to, just to get to 18 episodes. I'm going to be honest. I think Kate Michelle was hilarious as usual. I think she's so funny, but I was like, this is nothing is happening here. There's no, I thought the fallout of Shamia and Portia would be more impactful. It wasn't let's it's time to, it's time to wrap this one up. Thankfully, they are next week, so there's nothing for me to complain about. It's coming to an end. But yeah, we're just going to remind Bravo once again that sometimes less is more. Because this season started off so well.

4:30Ben Mandelker: I think the first three quarters of it was excellent. And everyone's like, it's back, it's back, it's back. And this is, to me, how you sort of kill momentum on a season that had a really strong start. It doesn't take away from how good the rest of the season was and how strong this cast is. But like, you know, Bravo, let's, you know, how about if you take away four episodes from three different shows, you now have the budget to put a 12 episode show on like Ladies in London or Real Housewives of Miami. How about that?

5:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. Take that advice. You know, lose some and win some. That's what I say. Yeah. But here we are. We're in the lawyer's office. Shamia's meeting with her lawyer. It's like how we all meet with our lawyers. with a bodysuit. Yes. You know, banging out all over the place. He's like, hello, lawyer. He's like, hello, man. I'm your lawyer, Maximilian. I love that. I love that name for a lawyer. Like a good old-fashioned 1950s play. It's my lawyer, Maximilian. Let's tell those boys what they're going to be dealing with, Maximilian. This ain't my first time at the rodeo.

5:50Ben Mandelker: Maybe he was formerly a pop star because there was that singer named Maximilian who famously had a one-hit wonder, which was just a cover of Marvin Gaye's song, Sexual Healing. So, like, it would not be crazy if he was like, oh, music didn't work out. I'm going to go into law representing Real Housewives trying to make their butt into a rum bottle. I see the trajectory personally.

6:17Ronnie Karam: Sexual healing, baby. Are horse hats, what do you call them? Horse helmets? Riding helmets? I don't know what you call them. Why is Shamia wearing a riding helmet? Why are people wearing riding helmets right now just out? Is that a thing? I guess it's a thing because we saw Kelly wearing one last week, and now Shamia is showing up in a horse riding helmet. I'm not really sure what that's about. Are we trying to bring horses back? Because there's a horse in this episode, too. I love horses, but listen, it does not make street cleaning easier. Horses, poo, and pee. Lots of it. I don't know that we need to bring horses back to the street.

6:57Ronnie Karam: I don't know if that's what the show's trying to tell us, but I'm starting to get that.

7:01Ben Mandelker: You're like, are we bringing horse and buggies back? Are we going to have a rum bottle in the shape of a horse and buggy? Maximilian is spelled Max space A. space million. That's the one hit wonder. This is Maximilian spelled in the classic style. So my dreams of there being some weird pop culture moment like ensconced in the scene die. And of course, I'm only thinking about this because who gives a fuck about what the scene is really about, which is Shamia and her rum. And by the way, shocker, it has gone down the path that we knew it would, which is never coming to fruition, just being a fake story for Shamia.

7:44Ronnie Karam: Not only that, it's the worst fake story I've ever seen. I'm going to look up Rum Bum Rum, because this is what I do while I watch boring episodes of Housewives. This scene was going on. I was like, I'm looking this up. Rum, it says, do you mean bamboo rum? So that's first of all. There is already a rum bum rum company and it's an old white guy who sells it. Okay. You guys need to Google stuff before you try to come to market. You know what I mean? Like people will support rum bum and it is a rum, but it's already owned by a guy. And it's I don't know if it's big or not, but I looked it up and I found it.

8:31Ronnie Karam: I can't, of course, right now, hold on, I have screenshots I'm going to show you. I know you're dying to know. I am dying. Who really started Rum Bum?

8:41Ben Mandelker: Rum Bum Bum. I recently bought some Jamaican rum. And as in last week, I bought some overproof rum. That's like 60 something. I don't know. It's like crazy because I had to, I'm actually recipe testing for an upcoming cookbook of someone's. and I had to make a Caribbean fruitcake that involved very intense rum. So what I'm trying to say is I'm kind of an expert on this topic now. How did that fruitcake turn out?

9:10Ronnie Karam: Because you were telling me about that last week. How did it turn out?

9:13Ben Mandelker: It's really good. It's like really, really good. But it's like it's different than – it was different than like an American fruitcake because it had like a lot of bitter notes because you make this thing called burnt sugar that apparently is a Caribbean thing where you take turbanado sugar and you literally burn it. And it's like this black, it's almost like blackstrap molasses. It's wild. So it's, I'm very, I loved it. I've never had such a bitter cake before in a way that was fascinating. But I'll let you all know what cookbook is for when the cookbook is announced. If it may not even make the cut.

9:49Ronnie Karam: I love that bitter cake. Yeah. So, okay, I'm showing the website here for the original rum bum. uh welcome to the original rum bum the new home of everything rum powered by snooki so this guy's name is snooki and then if you go down to the bottom it'll take you to the instagram his name is snooki which is snooki yeah this is him snooki oh there he is snooki i'm calling him snooki to differentiate it from snooki but um yeah it's this guy so why Google it. Google it before you come out with a whole business called the Rumbum. Okay, come on.

10:27Ben Mandelker: Because it was never going to be a real business. That's why. That's why. But why set yourself up to look like a huge fail? I don't understand. That's Shamia's thing. She sets herself up to be a huge fail and then afterwards she's like, you guys are making fun of me. Do you think it's like a humiliation kink I think it's I think it's that way she could say that she did it even though she had no intention of truly doing it and she can feel better about herself she can feel like she's trying to do something with her life

11:05Ronnie Karam: well we find out today that the lady that the company that she's supposed to be doing this thing with sent back a contract and instead of a partnership they're like no we're not going to have a partnership but you can buy you know a set amount of our rum for a discount and she's like uh so we're not on the same page giddy up he's like yeah you're not on a horse well

11:34Ronnie Karam: no you're not really riding a horse please take off the riding helmet okay we're trying we're

11:40Ben Mandelker: having a contract meeting here yeah um so yeah you know and she me is like you know i understand And the Nichols family has the contract. Clark's Court has been around since 1937. And it's a black-owned company. And Afia was speaking with her dad, Mr. Nichols. And this is his baby. So I understand. But I'm this young, budding entrepreneur. And I'm able to see both sides of it. I mean, yeah, but it's also kind of like me saying, hey, a few people know who I am because I'm on a podcast. Coca-Cola, should we make a product together? Okay, and I'll head it up. It's like, what? That doesn't make any sense.

12:20Ronnie Karam: A lot of reality people and influencers will slap their name on a product. You know, like there's a ton of wines. You remember when every like Lisa Rinna was like, I came out with my own wine. She was slapping her name on some, you know, and it's something they do a lot. It's not just her. But that's a thing that happens. But it sounded like Shamia was trying to not just slap her name. She was trying to invest all of this money and have a partnership with this company. And this company is like, no, especially and they show clips of this, especially after the meeting with her husband, when her husband, Gerald, was just going over every single point and calling out that none of this sounded correct or real.

13:01And so I guess they were like, nah, we will not be doing it.

13:06Ronnie Karam: But you guys are welcome to buy thousands of bottles of our rum. So, I mean, it was kind of sad, I guess.

13:12Ben Mandelker: maybe they had like a maybe they had a branding meeting and decided that um selling their rum and bottles shaped like shamia's butt was like not quite what their brand image was all about

13:24Ronnie Karam: maybe that's what happened they're like you know what let's partner with an older white guy and do something based on his butt and it's just like my butt you know it's like a pancake butt it's just pancakes because people are more likely to buy something shaped like a pancake than a butt is that a is that a truism in life i think i think so what sells more do you think in this country

13:53Ben Mandelker: pancakes or ass probably back in back uh yeah uh i don't know i mean i think um i actually think it's something ass shaped would sell better than something pancake shaped something like round that you just want to like maybe touch, grab. It's like, think about like a Parker roll. If you see two Parker rolls sitting next to each other, you're like, ooh, look at those big puffy Parker, are they called Parker rolls? Parker house rolls, whatever. If you think about them, you put them next to each other. It's just a whole bunch of butts, you know? Whereas a stack of pancakes, I mean, those do look good too.

14:29Ben Mandelker: We're really, I mean, obviously we want to talk about anything but this scene at this moment because it's so stupid.

14:35Ronnie Karam: but I would rather drink something that's like oh this could taste like pancakes rather than oh this could taste like ass

14:42Ben Mandelker: I will say that I don't know if I want to drink I don't want to buy a bottle of rum that comes out of the bottle that looks like a butt I just don't because it's either I don't want your butt leakage yeah I just don't want to and also I'm a gay man I don't see the appeal of a rum bottle that's shaped like a woman's ass. If it was shaped like rippling abs of a guy, I'd be like, sure, I'm down. But then guess what? The flip side is everyone else is like, well, I don't want to drink out of that. So the point is this. Let's make it an interesting shape, not necessarily like human anatomy.

15:23Ronnie Karam: That's fair. You don't want your food or beverage product to sound like a side effect of a prescription drug being sold on national TV. like anal leakage. We don't want that. We want just, I don't know. This is bad. This is bad. She means start over.

15:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And also, also, by the way, just, I mean, I'm joking about like, oh, I would drink rum out of a, you know, a bottle that was looked like a hot guy's torso, but truthfully I wouldn't even do that because it just is all tacky. And it just, it feels like the sort of thing that you would get off, like at like a novelty shop off the side of the freeway. So, yeah, this is a fail. Fail for me. Rumbum. Yeah. The name. Rumbum. Well, now we go to a yoga thing. Yes. Romantic yoga. So there's rose petals on mats. The lights are low. And K. Michelle and Dr. Kasten enter. And then they're going to be joined eventually by Angela and Charles.

16:22Ben Mandelker: And while K. Michelle is getting ready to sit down on the mat, She's like hyper-focused on keeping her toes covered. And the producer's like, what is your obsession with people seeing your toes? And she's like, well, my toes are long as hell. And I can play the piano with my toes. So I will never allow anyone in America to ever see those toes.

16:44Ronnie Karam: Such odd insecurities. I'm a person with, you know, a lot of body issues and stuff that I've worked on my entire adult life. And I feel like mine are pretty typical. I've never, ever in my life heard the long toe one. I just don't want people to see my extremely long toes. So I guess I'll hand it over to her. Thankfully, they don't offer, I don't think, toe shortening surgery because you know she'd be in there. My toes are full of silicone. I've thought of elbow skin surgery, you know, like the back of your arm, like getting cuter elbows. Yeah, like an elbow lift. I've thought of that before. So I guess that's weird, but I don't know.

17:24Ronnie Karam: Do they even do toes? Never thought about that. I did look at my toes more after this scene. I was like, are my toes okay? I mean, my feet are hideous in general, but I was like, I wonder how the length of my toes are. I should look this up. My toes are competitive in this market. My toes seem to be reasonably long, but I'm not insecure about it.

17:46Ben Mandelker: I'm just like, whatever, their toes. so K. Michelle is talking about that this yoga is supposed to bring intimacy and sexual healing I mean where's Max a million when you need him am I right guys am I right call back already it's just a Max a million kind of episode God bless

18:07Ronnie Karam: sexual healing yoga also something I don't need it's just gross like sweating cracks in people's faces so they have to do different positions with their partner and Charles is just like, what the fuck? This lady drags me on to the craziest shit. So they have to hold up their legs and then spread them and hold them up there. He's like, yeah, no, I'm not going to be doing that. But just hand me those size 12s, he tells her.

18:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, this class is being led by, basically it's like two earth mother lesbians who it's like this is if you watch real sex on hbo in the 90s and you would turn it on thinking thinking you're gonna see something like really hot and really sexy and basically porn and then you find out that like every episode of real sex is just like strange people in key west you know doing some tantric shit like that's basically what this was that's what i felt like watching these two ladies you know performing their their strange sexual yoga um i felt like that's what i was witness to yeah real sex is always the real sex was too real

19:19Ronnie Karam: like yeah real sex like watching people have sex okay that's one thing like porn or whatever but real sex is definitely like okay stand in line for hot dogs at the costco and look around you those are the people you're going to be having sex on you're going to be watching having sex on real

19:35Ben Mandelker: sex no yeah and like and they'll be doing like in like weird ways it's like some sort of like it's definitely something where like little symbols are being like rung and it's just i feel like it's everything's like in a yurt in new mexico and it's just it's just a lot and they

19:54Ronnie Karam: would do those little interview things like man on the street interviews they'd be like huh how's your wife giving head and you'd be like yeah she's a real throat goat i forgot about they had

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21:46Ben Mandelker: So they do this yoga. There's a lot of armpit hair all around. And then afterwards, now it's time for the women to settle in and, you know, talk shit.

22:02Ronnie Karam: yes so angela they're talking about scotland and shamia of course and k michelle's like well you know i don't know where she is because i haven't even talked to shamia maybe it's deeper than all that i uh i just don't know what's wrong with her and angela's like yeah well she's always acting like a victim so whatever she could just live with that she can live in that whatever Yeah, whatever

22:27Ben Mandelker: And Camille and Michelle said, but that's my friend But I'm also very fair Because after Scotland, it feels like me and Shemaya are completely disconnected And it hurts my feelings a lot Because this is someone that I was talking to every day And also talking about every day And also deciding she wasn't my friend every day And also deciding she wasn't my friend every day

22:47Ronnie Karam: Camille and Michelle really excelled She's doing great in the talking head parts of this show she's not doing as great in the group scenes she either brings so much paranoia like the first part of the season where she kind of went off the rails and then after that she settled in a bit to where she doesn't bring much at all she just kind of sits there and watches she's great in her confessionals where she's really excelling is in her interviews off the show she says so much crazy shit i saw a clip of one the other day where she's talking to a guy about how her son has a mercedes now he's driving around she got him a mercedes and they're in a huge fight and not speaking and the guy's like why are you not speaking and she said because he went out and he wants to ride uber he wants to he wants to get a job with uber and he just who drives the bands around in as an uber first of all a lot of people do they're called uber blacks usually and they're a nice version of uber and he's like but why would you have a problem with your son wanting to have a job and she's like because i can give him anything i don't want him going out there and trying to get money that's the way he would get for me and i thought oh my gosh i don't think i've ever heard a parent be like you will only rely on me and never get a job she's she's on a different wavelength for sure yes yeah she's

24:08Ben Mandelker: she's special she's special but you know we love our kooky birds on the real housewives that's for sure um yeah so they basically to me i mean sorry k michelle is just puzzled as to why shamia brought up all the mom stuff at that dinner and so she's like um she's like she's like i'm gonna have a a face-to-face conversation with shamia to be like what's going on and you know she says you know she feels left out she feels like she's been bullied and she's like whatever and she's like But, you know, you're the one who's hurting people. And, you know, the weapon is in your hand. And so until she, you know, figures out that part, she'll be the victim in her own mind.

24:54Ronnie Karam: Then the victims of our eyes are us. Because now we're going to another Housewives photo shoot for no reason. This one is for Portia and her daughter, Baby Pickles, to do a photo shoot really dressed up. I don't know why, but they're doing it. so they do a photo shoot and of course lauren her sister assistant kind of lead ass kisser is there and just smiling and nodding and being oh my god you're so beautiful and then we get to settle in for uh the conversation about porsche's love life whatever is she gonna do is it gonna be big mike

25:29Ben Mandelker: or sway this actually really annoys me i have to say this really really annoys me because this storyline, it's one thing for the storyline to be fake. Like, okay, she has like a fake romantic partner, but like now you're asking us to care about what choice you're going to make after a whole season where like, first of all, you've seen Mike two times. You clearly have no chemistry with him. You don't even really like the guy. And every scene with him is so blatantly fake. You obviously like Sway. You're into Sway. You're feeling Sway. And you're going to have us sit here and be like, oh, wow, what's Portia going to do?

26:04Ben Mandelker: Like, you know this is fake. And we know this is fake. Why are you wasting our time with this? And this is the thing that always gets me about Portia, is that she is a A-plus real housewife who very frequently gives us D-minus storylines. And I don't know why she does this to us all the time. Give, like, please, Portia. Like, I want more from you than this stupid dilemma of Mike and Sway.

26:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know, she's too practiced. She's been doing it for so long that she knows how to kind of work. It's like now it's the end of the season. It's time to choose. I need to have a big choose. It's a snooze. It's a snooze. So now I move over to conversation of Scotland. And Portia finds out that Shami is having a Halloween party because Shami invited her. And she's like, I'm not going to that fucking thing. Is she kidding? She asked me to do a mold of my ass. What? So apparently Shamia's invitation, in part, is asking all the women to get molds made of their ass. And I guess she's sending people to their homes to do this.

27:16Ronnie Karam: No, that's a no from me. That's a big no.

27:19Ben Mandelker: Big no. And on top of that, she had this terrible fight with Portia in Scotland. And she texted Portia and said, Hi, Portia. In preparation for my Halloween party on Friday, I'd love to send my bum casting lady to your home to create your rum bum mold. She's available all day tomorrow. Would you be interested in participating in the bum match contest? How do you not say high? By the way, it's high Porsche with an exclamation point. Be like, hey, Porsche, I know we had a big fight. And I know this is a big ask considering. But if like, I'm hoping you can put that to the side and like do this for me.

27:55Ben Mandelker: Yada, yada, yada. But you're just like, hey, Porsche, can you do a mold for me? Thanks. Bye.

28:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Porsche's a hell no on that. I mean, listen, you want a mold of my ass, A, no. I don't even, I saw my ass the other day. I turned around and looked at it. Nobody else needs, I didn't even need to see it. It's just not no. The answer is no. But then to make it worse, you're going to have a ass contest and then you're going to put my ass up there next to everybody else's ass. Are you trying to be my friend? because I'm going to call the police. That's where I'm at. Absolutely not.

28:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's not trying to be our friend. No way. No way whatsoever. So Portia is telling Lauren about this. She's like, I'm not going to that bullshit. Now we see what's happening elsewhere around Atlanta. Pinky's daughter, Della, is recording a song into a mic saying, It's my birthday! It's my birthday! it's my birthday which is great and then we see there's a photo shoot for fangie that's coming along um and over at phaedra's house aiden's getting ready to go to a dance so you know lots

29:14Ronnie Karam: of exciting things happening around the city yeah so k meets up with shamiya and um shamiya's like wow so great to see you loved all the music that you sent to me it's amazing oh my god what a hit album you've got wow what a nice casual lunch where we're just going to be best friends huh and kamehameha is like okay listen we need to talk about this okay we need to talk about what happened what is going on with you and um she's like it felt like there was a lot of separation in scotland and she's like yeah a lot of fighting for my life she goes well you know it takes real friends to say things when you don't want to see himself destruct and that's what i'm going to do for you because I see with you, I see you with this fuck the world attitude.

29:56Ronnie Karam: You know, there was a fun loving Shamia. Where's that girl? I don't see her no more. Where is she? Bring her back to me.

30:03Ben Mandelker: If the real Shamia is in there, please say please bling twice. Now, this is the whole thing of the second half of the season is what's really going on with Shamia? And I feel like we're not getting there, right? Maybe in the finale we'll get to it, but we have not found out what is going on with Shamia. Why is she so upset? so K. Michelle says what I want more for Shamia is for her to smile you have other people that really love you and I don't want to be a failed friendship to become who she is and she basically is like you know when it comes to Portia you know you came out of nowhere you came like really low and really fast you know we're sitting at a dinner table and you bring up this woman's child and she goes well should I have just posted it on social media she's like no but like you say that this you're saying that the father of this child has basically been sneaking the child to you and her husband.

30:52Ben Mandelker: So yeah, well, how do you expect her to react? Like, do you know how mad you would be?

30:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Shamia is like, but she said my mom bought her date, her mom's daycare center. And that's not something a friend would do. You started it. You did it on camera, which is what she responded to on Instagram, Shamia. And she's like, you know, she made it out that my mom's a shady person, but she didn't even say how we got to that point because they weren't even friends prior to that. And Portia and I agreed years ago that we wouldn't let our parents' friendship affect ours. So I'm like, if you're going to tell the story and you're going to put it out there, then put it all out there. For some reason a year later at a dinner where we weren't even arguing.

31:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

31:32Ben Mandelker: So Shmia's like, I feel like everyone's picking up at just the dinner. When this started last year, I felt sadness because I knew it was probably the ending of a friendship. People don't understand that shit was like a divorce because Portia was my person. I'm going to therapy just for navigating this group. It's like a lot.

31:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she's crying about Portia again, but that's not how you make up with somebody. So then she's like, you know, you can't meet wrong with wrong. And Shamia says, well, but then if I don't meet wrong with wrong, then I've still fucked up and everybody still hates me. Like, I can't win. I just can't win. I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't.

32:17Ben Mandelker: yeah well i mean just i think she just has to move forward at this point just move forward i think she should actually lean into like fuck her fuck that bitch because i think shamia's problem is that she keeps on kind of declaring that she's taking the high road and you know what don't take the high road just live your life and of course she acts crazy you just clap back and that's just the way it's gonna be and i think actually everyone will probably respect shamia more if she's a little bit more authentic to how she really feels than her just saying like, I'm, I'm going to bite my tongue. I'm going to bite my tongue.

32:50Like, you know what?

32:51Ben Mandelker: On this show, I think actually respects that. So Shamia is basically saying, you know, but by the way, I did invite her to the Halloween party and Kay Michelle's like, well, so what did she say? And Shamia's like, she reads the text that says, girl, I'm not coming to your damn party. You are sick as fuck. Please move along. Enjoy.

33:14Ronnie Karam: it's the proper response i believe yeah and k michelle's like well i'm not coming either i'm a christian methodist episcopal and i'm not going to be worshiping no devils and demons and dressing up like them and none of that i will not partake in this evilness going on

33:32Ben Mandelker: so well i didn't grow up celebrating halloween either i mean we had hallelujah night well my mama's still a bible school teacher she's like yeah i can understand that and we have hallelujah Yeah, Halloween for small-toed people, which I definitely am. Don't look.

33:46Ronnie Karam: I love when people get really religious and then handpick their morals. I mean, we see it every day, especially in the news and politics, which we're seeing right now. But Kay Michelle is hilarious. Like, I'm going to a Halloween party. I'm very religious. Meanwhile, she does another interview I was reading. I really was on a Kay Michelle kick where she was saying she does. and this one's older, but she was saying that she doesn't even care if her man cheats on her or gets sex elsewhere as long as he's not paying bills for the woman that he's dating. But you won't go to a Halloween party? And I'm not even dissing the way you want to have your relationship.

34:26Ronnie Karam: I'm just saying you won't dress up and get some free candy? Where are the lines? You know what I mean? Get the candy.

34:34Ben Mandelker: Choose candy. Choose candy. Choose some Mike and Ikes. Get those peanut butter cups, those little snack-sized peanut butter cups, which I would argue is the best ratio of chocolate to peanut butter of the entire Reese's Pieces peanut butter cup line, followed by the big cup. And last place, of course, is the normal size one.

34:52Ronnie Karam: I'll tell you what's even better. A scoop of peanut butter covered in some chocolate or with chocolate chips. Just get some chocolate chips and that together. I'll put some chocolate chips on it. Which I like. um also i wanted to tell you it was extremely important i tried the new m &ms which new m &ms they sound ridiculous and i felt bad for even trying them but they're the banana nut bread peanut m &ms love them i really i would have just called them banana peanut m &ms and not banana nut bread because nut bread seems like bread well how is that gonna fit But it's a peanut M &M with banana flavor.

35:34Ben Mandelker: I find that banana flavoring is gross, usually in candy. I like banana. I just literally had a banana smoothie right here. But banana flavoring is usually a tripwire for me. I will try it. I would love to try an M &M. But I am famously on my Kinder Bueno path at the moment. And that's really all I do is I eat Kinder Buenos. which by the way, you put them in some ice cream. I had a moment with put some Kinder Bueno's, mix it into some Jenny's ice cream. And I'll tell you, I was a happy man. Kinder Bueno's are great with ice cream because they're very like thin and fragile. So they don't get hard with the cold.

36:16Ben Mandelker: It's just like a perfect mix in. Is there anything a Kinder Bueno can't do? And no, this podcast is actually not sponsored by Kinder Bueno, but maybe someday it will be. I don't know. That's my pitch. anyway speaking of pitch let's talk about Pooch Pooch Hall because Drew is on the phone with Pooch former co-star you may remember him from the game or various other commercials and Drew is she's rehearsing with Pooch and she's talking about how like you know the characters on the game it was like a big deal and it was a spicy storyline and she was famous for breaking up some of the characters as evidenced by we had a flashback to what's her face in 2020 being like you broke up Derwin and Derwin and Drew or Derwin and I didn't watch the game but anyway Pooch Hall

37:15Ronnie Karam: the point is Drew is doing theater she's a theater person now so we see her playing playing, you know, rehearsing or playing, you know, playing sounds more like a fun thing instead of work, but that's how actors talk about it, guys. We're not going to work today. We're going to play, okay? And she talks about how she wants that EGOT, ultimately. So then we go to...

37:43Ben Mandelker: That was the best part of the scene, by the way, was Drew and her team putting their hands together and being like, EGOT! I was like... you gotta be kidding me. Drew, if the moment that Drew Sidori gets an EGOT, I don't know. I don't know what that means for our world, but I will, I will be.

38:04Ronnie Karam: Got about four more awards to be even considered for, to get close to that one.

38:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That's the thing. They have to, let's get a foot in the toe. Let's just get, let's just get a people's choice. Let's start with the people's choice and then let's move on to what's the, probably a, a g a g is next i think that goes g e g e t o is i think probably the the order of difficulty

38:33Ronnie Karam: uh now we go to a new house and portia has bought miss diane a new place so she talks about how proud she is to buy her mom a house miss diane's crying and running all over the house which it well not running but you know she's in her heels so she's clomping crash around the house and it's cute

38:54Ben Mandelker: yeah it's very nice Portia's happy to give back because you know Diane has sacrificed so much over the years and you know especially as someone whose child care was stolen from her it's nice that she could finally get a house of her own

39:13Ronnie Karam: and it's all paid off which is amazing and I'm really glad my parents aren't watching this show you know why's that where's my where's my house it's completely paid off you know i don't want to hear it so stay not watching the show parents so then we go over to shamia's rum bum launch and uh it's halloween so she's dressed up like avatar which is kind of fitting because i made it about 10 minutes through that new movie and i really wanted to see it for years and years they were making it i couldn't wait for it and then it finally came and i was like I don't need more than the first one.

39:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't even know if I need the first one. I think I have never seen such a profitable franchise have such little impact on pop culture. Like Avatar is like a thing and it pretty much exists for people to dress up as on Halloween. And there's like, Disney has a whole section in Disney World for Avatar that I think they thought Avatar was going to be more culturally relevant. But Avatar is just this big thing that we all know about, but literally no one cares about. It's just funny. Year after year, people dress up like Avatar. But, you know, it's like, oh, who are you supposed to be? I don't know, one of the blue people from Avatar.

40:31Ben Mandelker: Like, no one knows even who the characters are. There's no famous lines. I think a lot of people do.

40:35Ronnie Karam: It's just maybe we're not the target audience because, I mean, that movie made like a trillion, zillion, kabillion dollars. Even the second one. I thought, wow, this one will probably bomb. But it didn't. It didn't. They're all doing very well.

40:47Ben Mandelker: They do very well. But I'm just saying, I feel like they have zero pop culture infiltration. There's no famous lines. It's like, I see you. Is that the big line? I see you. I see you.

41:02Ronnie Karam: I don't remember. I saw the first one, but it was so many years ago. And it was so technologically advanced for the time. The stuff that he was doing with it. People hadn't seen that stuff before. and then it took what 20 years or something to come out with the next one i don't know how long i'm just making sure that it came it took forever to come out with the sequel and by the time they came out with the sequel the technology had kind of caught up so it wasn't as impressive to see the second one but i don't know that was just how i felt also i was bored i need more like murder not that there is not you know a bunch of sadness in that but like i need more mystery i don't know what it was but i was over it so that's how shamia is dressed today so it kind of works

41:44Ben Mandelker: it's actually perfect that shamia is dressed like avatar because she is in many ways just an avatar for a real housewife she's just sort of like hitting all the notes of what a housewife should do and also she does kind of have that sort of you know audience connection issue that i feel like avatar has always had so it is the perfect costume for her and she's worth a trillion dollars

42:06Ronnie Karam: just like avatars so it's crazy this is all of the all of the things kind of work so then um she's dancing around in in her confessional thing yes it's my business man i really wanted rum bum to make its mark tonight yeah i just i want people to sample all of it you know maybe this can be my apology to making them feel uncomfortable or whatever and scott there is no rum bum what do you do you remember that you just shot a scene yeah that this company is not

42:35Ben Mandelker: happening you don't have it well guess what here comes her business partner afia and she says okay so we're gonna still keep our partnership but we're just separating everything because um because there's a bunch of stuff in one contract so it's all coming so this this lady is like oh yeah no we'll still be yeah we'll still do it which it's not gonna happen um she's just coming to get uh publicity for her own liquor company. Yeah. See, they're smart. Clark, what are they called? Clark Street, Clark Court. They're smart because they got to be on this TV show. They got exposure and then they could peace out before needing to do any obligations.

43:11And meanwhile, Shamia's there just holding a butt-shaped bottle.

43:18Ben Mandelker: So then Shamia's saying that we see people tasting the rum and they're like, oh, this is actually good rum. And they're like, wow, it's actually good. yeah because it's from a brand that's been around since 1937 they know what they're doing Shamia did not make this rum I mean I guess maybe they added the peach the peach flavors but everyone likes it and then Shamia's like oh good Gerald likes it I was worried that he wouldn't like it you know one thing that we kind of glossed over in her first scene was that like she was really upset because when it looked like this rum bum thing wasn't going to be happening Gerald was going to be really mad and be like I told you so which just goes to show uh they have

43:51Ronnie Karam: a great relationship yeah so much love and support but she's also spending a ton of his money to do it you know i mean i think it's like within his rights to be like this sounds like bullshit

44:06Ben Mandelker: you know right don't you yeah i mean if it's like oh wow you just like i i warned you about going to business with this situation and you still went forward and i've spent a lot of money and you still did this and now it's not working out like this is sort of frustrating for me because i tried to give you my business acumen and you wouldn't listen however that's assuming that conversation happened if he just was like no i don't want you to do this because you're the mother of my children and you need to do that instead then that's a different story i guess we'll

44:35Ronnie Karam: never know yeah um it's gonna keep me up at night so uh don't worry the other thing that's really on all of our minds she is loving fucking her husband okay she got that in there today she's like i'm laying down with gerald wangi every night yeah then she like does a dance we know so then uh cynthia comes in she's dressed like glue because she is the glue that keeps the crew together uh

45:02Ben Mandelker: i love i love this move that like the most beautiful people pull off which is that they always go into the ugliest costumes it's like it's like heidi uh klum showing up as that like slug one year for her halloween party remember she was like a slug or a maggot or something it's like sierra always dressing up as like some crazy old person for summer house now it's cynthia like you know she's just like in this big floppy glue costume that was so cute that's the ultimate flex when you're so hot you don't need to do the costume to sell that you're so hot it's also

45:38Ronnie Karam: another horse reference because isn't glue made out of horses or something like that it's made out of horse hips or something, right?

45:45Ben Mandelker: I don't know, but did you hear that Elmer's glue is coming out with butt-shaped glue bottles? I was like, wow, what an interesting choice. That would actually be kind of funny. A little squeeze bottle where you're just squeezing a butt. It's a little sexual harassy, but it's kind of funny. Some sticky butt. Glue ass. Coming soon. The visuals are getting weirder and weirder.

46:12Ronnie Karam: Here comes one right now. One thing my mom loves is to bargain hunt. She will go to a garage sale, to a flea market, any old sale at the mall. I'm taking her from sale to sale to sale to sale. And I finally found someplace online that I can just park her and she'll have the time of her life. And that is Whatnot.

46:33Ben Mandelker: Whatnot is an app that does live shopping. There's a whole community there on Whatnot. You're connecting with sellers and other shoppers. and it's kind of like hanging out with a group that gets you. And this is like a really fun way to shop.

46:48Ronnie Karam: You never pay full price there. You can shop name brands across makeup, perfume, clothes, handbags, jewelry, and more, all without the sticker shock. It's the best place to find great deals on products you love.

46:59Ben Mandelker: And there are amazing sellers with great, great taste. And they're going live all the time, like 24-7. You can comment in real time and they'll just show you like clothes above clothes. You'll be like, hey, can I get, can I see that a little bit closer? or I want to see that detail on that shirt. And they will show it to you because it's real time.

47:14Ronnie Karam: And you can sell too. Do you have clothes, bags, or accessories sitting in your closet that you don't reach for anymore? Whatnot makes it easy to turn them into cash, connect with shoppers who share your style, and have fun going live while doing it.

47:26Ben Mandelker: It's amazing what you can find on there. I literally just purchased a mid-century modern dance yellow paella pan for$35. And I've seen it listed elsewhere on the internet for$80. It was a bargain.

48:09Ben Mandelker: they had craft supplies there. But I didn't realize how expansive their party supplies were. And Michael's really is where you can go to get everything for a party, whether you're planning a kid's birthday or even an adult celebration. They've got over 4 ,500 party supplies, more than 60 different themes, and prices starting at just 99 cents. Plus, they've recently lowered prices on hundreds of items. We found adorable decorations, balloons, everything we needed to pull the party together without making a bunch of different shopping trips. Plus, I always have a good time going to Michael's. I love shopping there.

48:40Ben Mandelker: I could just browse the aisles forever. But if you're short on time, like I always seem to be, you can also get same-day delivery or buy online and pick up at the store. They even offer free helium inflation on select balloon styles, which is such a lifesaver, and it was for our party, truly. So if you've got a birthday coming up or just a celebration, remember Michael's, everything to celebrate anything. Visit Michael's in-store or shop online now.

49:13Ronnie Karam: Everyday glue is not made from horses today. Modern glues are synthetic. Old practices, they used to make it, sometimes they would send horses to rendering facilities to make traditional animal or hide glue. So there you go. Oh, so this costume was safe. I know everybody's wondering, but yeah, I was like, wow, it's another horse thing, glue. so then um they're talking about scotland again and shamia says she invited everyone and everyone said they were coming except for the big old fuck you one i'll make that sound effect uh myself i don't know if the producers are even paying attention me at this point i'm sorry if i offended you she's self-sing we've heard of self-producing

49:59Ben Mandelker: but we've never heard of self sing. Meanwhile, we cut over to a bowling alley where Porsche is on a double date with K. Michelle. I think this is the same bowling alley. I feel like Kenya had a date here once back in the day with Mark. It looked familiar. I was like, I recognize those white banquets or maybe it was Nini. These are questions that are appealing to no one, not even to myself. And yet I'm asking them here on the podcast. But K. Michelle - What bowling alley is that? I was like, we've been to the bowling alley before. Have I seen you before?

50:28Ronnie Karam: Or, hey, stranger, you come here often? See you, right? I need to know the truth. So, K. Michelle and Portia are not going to the party. So, they have a double date instead. And they talk about the Halloween party a little bit. And Portia's like, yeah, Jesus said no. Why would I go to that? And she's like, well, why did you send that girl that text message? I mean, like a nice lady, she invited you to her Halloween party. And she's like, she showed you my text again? Diane, what is wrong with her?

50:59Ben Mandelker: She is a habitual text shower. Like, what the hell is wrong with this girl? By the time we talk about Diane, but like, by the time we talk about Diane Pillar, my child's father, my ex-husband, me, what do you expect? And Kate Michelle's like, well, just don't bring the old Porsche back because we had the incoming, former crash out, healing, doing all this and that. She's like, girl, it's World War III. It's like, yeah, the old Porsche, I don't give a fuck about old Porsche right now. it's on between me and Shamia.

51:29Ronnie Karam: So now they're making small talk with Mike. Like, how are you enjoying dating Portia, Mike? He's like, I'm in love with Portia. She's like, whoa, what? Okay. He's like, yeah, so Portia, I think now's the time to have the talk. Where's this relationship going? Okay, Mike. This is like the worst actor they've brought on this show. We had Walter.

51:52Ben Mandelker: This guy's terrible. This guy is terrible. Plus, also, He has one of those beards that I like to call a Nintendo Mii beard. Like when you're creating your Mii on the old Nintendo Wii and you get to put facial features on. And it's like, do you want a beard? Here's a beard. Because it's like that hard line between skin and beard. And certain guys just do that rather than have a nice blend. And it looks literally like he had Nintendo paste this beard on. It's just like there. I'm like, blend it. I hate the hard line on a beard.

52:26Ronnie Karam: so he wants to have her bit his big relationship talk now because i think he senses this is his last scene for the season so he doesn't care if it's in front of other people he's just gonna do it she's like yeah um yeah i'm not having that discussion in front of other people okay he's like okay well i guess we'll go bowling so the guys give them some time to talk you're at a bowling alley that's exactly what you'll do and porsche's like well i mean i like him but i'm dating someone else you know so and i do like him but i did see a different side of him today like who does this so yeah this is that fake storyline is hopefully done yeah it's just so stupid um so back over at the

53:07Ben Mandelker: rum bum launch there's three flavors of rum to have peach tropical punch and kalua or bailey's i guess so they're all trying it and phaedra walks in and she's dressed like the godfather which is kind of funny. And she gets a whole musical intro as she, as she sort of comes on in and Kelly arrives and she's, she's brought Jarvis and he's wearing a mask, like a, like an Iron Man mask and also like a balaclava underneath it. Cause Kelly is trying to keep him anonymous. And what's actually so funny to me is that like the mask, all you see are these, like these eyes, these sort of like trapezoids or like these, these parallelograms of light, you know, and that's it and it seems so like mysterious and not foreboding but like like sort of withdrawn and who is this strong but silent person and then throughout the rest of the episode he's just there in his mask just be like oh yeah that's hilarious oh he's like super super animated in a way that i was not expecting someone wearing that mask to be yeah so she tells us he's got to stay hidden

54:14Ronnie Karam: because she doesn't want anyone to know who he is because she doesn't want people going up and asking this man for teeth, you know? Which? I don't really blame her. Once you find out that there is a source of teeth, you're going to go ask, you know? So she's going to keep him a big secret. And then guess who shows up? It's a shock. She is basically betraying the Lord, but she's here. It's Gay Michelle, guys.

54:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah. she came uh because uh she's like you know kassin said come on you really need to go support shabia and this is some sort of rich devil but i'm gonna support her trying to be the breadwinner of a house that's already paid for she's like okay i will support you even though you literally don't

54:59Ronnie Karam: need this so shabia gives a speech and well not a speech but all the ladies gather together and And she's like, you guys, thanks so much for coming to Rumbam. Yes. Now, Scotland was a little heavy. I apologize for my part in anything that was cringy or uncomfortable. I didn't want to make you guys feel uncomfortable. But it happened. And I apologize. Okay. And everyone's just looking around at each other.

55:25Ben Mandelker: Another great apology from Shamia. So personal. She's so good with that personal touch. I'd like to address the entire crowd. And if to anyone who may have been upset, anything that happened in Scotland for my part in what may have been a thing, if you are upset by that, I do apologize.

55:43Ronnie Karam: People who got upset for what was done to me. Whoever here felt victimized about what was done to me publicly. I guess I'm kind of maybe if sorry, though, possibly. So no one's really buying it. And Phaedra asks if she's spoken to Portia. And she's like, no, but I sent everybody an invite. And, you know, she responded with what she said, like it was a fuck off kind of a vibe. And Cynthia's like, well, clearly under the circumstances, her response meets the situation. It really does.

56:19Ben Mandelker: I love Cynthia's disdain for Shamia. It's like so right there. and she's being so she's being so chahil about it but like she clearly has run out of patience for anything that Shamia's doing

56:36Ronnie Karam: and even Pinky is like yeah that was a whole new low that was pretty bad and Drew says well it goes deeper and deeper and I just I don't think we want to be a part of that and we don't want to see it go deeper and so Kelly steps in to stand up for her and she's like okay But everybody was crickets when your best friend, you know, said that she was sleeping with her husband. And then we see Ashley. So we meet George's husband, Ashley, who is young and gorgeous and clearly, you know, clearly with George for his money. I'm sorry. K. Michelle says it in a minute. But I think anybody saw Ashley and was like, oh, so George is rich, rich.

57:15Ronnie Karam: George is getting a lot of accidents. Isn't he an accident billboard guy? I think so. I think so. A lot of accidents happening in Atlanta, and George is representing all of them.

57:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She's wearing like a green Tinkerbell kind of costume that matches his beard and the whole nine yards. So basically—

57:35Ronnie Karam: He's the Riddler, which is kind of funny. He's like the Riddler from Batman. I thought she was like a girlfriend of the Riddler, but yeah, that makes more sense. She was wearing wings, right? I think so.

57:45Ben Mandelker: There's some sort of—it doesn't matter. but yeah basically here what Kelly is saying is like wow you thought it was so like oh my god Shamia you went so low how could you go so low and yet when Angela goes low with Shamia no one jumps in and says Angela you went so low but the difference is that Angela was just clearly just like trying to stir something up to create a scene whereas Shamia was airing generational issues between two families in a way that was just deeper and darker and so it was a nice

58:15Ronnie Karam: trotta kelly but you're wrong on that one i think i think what angela did was dead ass wrong actually i think what she did was horrible um and they did kind of call her out i i mean i guess if there's a difference to moi it's that angela was actually fighting like she had an ongoing current fight with shimia whereas portia doesn't like the fight with shimia and portia was done already they fought you know they did the whole reunion last year was it then they came back and And then they decide, Shamia tried to come in with it again to start. And Portia was like, no, no, let's start over. Let's just start from a new place.

58:50Ronnie Karam: So this whole season has been like, we're moving forward. And Shamia just keeps bringing it back to that. So I thought that was the most annoying thing. But yeah, Angela's lying ass was dead ass wrong too. And she still tries it today.

59:05Ben Mandelker: I mean, Angela was wrong. But I think in the context of this show, people hurled those accusations all the time. the season opened with Portia doing that to Kelly. And of course you could say, well, Portia was retaliating for what Kelly said on the after show, but like this happens all the time on this show. So it doesn't mean that it's right, but it's, I guess it's not out of the norm. So it doesn't really raise any eyebrows amongst the cast anymore. Whereas what Shamia did was like, just felt like it came. Shamia's thing feels almost like it came from more of a real place. Cause I think they all sort of know, okay, well it's on this show we're gonna we're gonna make hurl some accusations it's not right that we do it but we're gonna hurl some accusations because that's what the show requires but then when shumir brings it up it's like oh oh oh you're going into something like uh generational that deals with people's moms and like oh you're doing you're doing lasting damage here you're doing a yeah it's like what you're doing here is this is yeah yeah this is like this is not just like

1:00:08Ronnie Karam: some petty tabloidy thing yeah so they're they move this conversation over to ashley who they've invited to this party for the drama right so ashley's side of it is angela called me and she asked if me and shamir are cool and i'm like yeah we're cool and she was like oh well i need some tea on her and i was like well i don't have tea and k michelle says angela asked you that she's like yes she did so then angela comes in and uh she's like okay so we're talking angela sits down and she's like okay so we're talking to ashley my friend about why i felt like you were doing your own investigation and about how it wasn't cool to have stuff like that thrown out there that wasn't true and ash is like yeah but so when you called and asked about tion shamiya

1:00:59Ben Mandelker: I just didn't have the tea for you. But like you also use my husband's name and something that was like also false about Shamia. And I don't appreciate that. And it's just like, okay, so you're saying that I asked for tea. I just asked, do you know Shamia? And she goes, well, for me, that's tea. If asking like, do I know? Or she's okay.

1:01:17Ronnie Karam: Well, automatic Ashley is a liar then because Ashley just said two seconds ago, she called me and said, do you know, Ashley, I need some tea on her. She did not say that Ashley.

1:01:29Ben Mandelker: yeah well they're being very semantics-y because now Angela's like do you know her? Apparently and Ashley's now interpreting that as like oh you want to get the tea on her that's why you're asking so Angela goes well let's take this back okay let me lay something out that's very clear for everyone here and everyone watching to follow now she said that I said that you said that she was fucking your husband and I didn't say that I was like she said and I said that she said I was like, how did you even, how did Angela even track through that entire sentence there?

1:02:05Ronnie Karam: She said that I said that you said that she was fucking your husband. Shamia's like, you did. So Angela's like, well, Shamia told you that I said that you said it. Shamia's lying to you. Pinky's like, oh my God, I'm too drunk to figure out what they're talking about. This is too much. and Kelly jumps in again and she's like, baby, that lie is just as short as that heel.

1:02:30Ben Mandelker: And Angela's like, and it's as short as your lease on your house because this is your landlord, Shamia. I love when they just pull something random and they're like, aha. So Kelly is like, well, you don't know anything about my lease, Officer Oakley. She goes, well, you don't have a husband or a house, Kelly. She's like, fuck your husband. Don't even want to wake up with you in the morning. He's like, well, he's right outside. Because he's just sitting there waiting for her to be done with the parties. They can go off to dinner. Yeah, he's like, I'm not going in there.

1:02:59Ronnie Karam: I will not be going in there. Thank you. So Cynthia's like, okay, listen, everybody, Ashley wants to speak now. Let's see what Ashley has to say. And Ashley's like, this lie, George and Shamia having a sexual relationship, that's a complete lie. And Angela says, like today or previously. Oh, Angela. It's like, never. He's never had a relationship with her. So Angela's like, respectfully, honey,

1:03:26Ben Mandelker: his name precedes you, and what he's done in the streets precedes you, so anything I brought up preceded you, so I was not trying to disrespect you. It's like, he's here.

1:03:37Ronnie Karam: George is here. He's literally standing at the entrance eating all the candy as people come in. Okay? Get George over here. So they bring George over and he's like, hey, it's me, George. Okay. Accidents are terrible, but if they happen, here's my card.

1:03:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Jamia is like, she's saying that you and I had a sexual relationship. And Angela says, well, in history, and I said that you said that when you met her, you had to pay her. He's like, oh, my God. She's like, don't you remember saying that? He's like, well, I would never have said that because, number one, I never said it. Well, you did say it.

1:04:13Ronnie Karam: You did say it. You said it at your event. And he goes, I never. Oh, I know what you mean. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Ashley's like, but even if he did say it, he didn't say it in a way where she's got to give you some Pousses to get some money. That's not what he meant. Okay, what was said, George? What was said? He's like, I did a joke. I mean, I was lit. It was a joke at my event. I was lit. Okay.

1:04:39Ben Mandelker: George, you're not helping. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think we deduced that he probably said something like, I mean, she's so beautiful. Of course I had to support her charity. She's so, like, the joke is like, wow, like, you're being, like, it's like a flirty, it's a flirty joke, but it's kind of like a complimentary joke in a weird way. I can see it just being a true nothing. And Angela has now elevated it to, like, levels of prostitution. Right.

1:05:08Ronnie Karam: And George is not helping because he's like, I don't know. I don't even know what I said. I was drunk, but it was a joke. Okay, so you're a terrible witness. Okay. So then Cynthia's like, oh, so then Angela wasn't lying because you could have said it jokingly. And Shamia's like, no, Angela was lying. And Drew's like, Angela is vindicated. Angela is vindicated. It's just been such a long process, and I'm really glad to see that Angela has been vindicated.

1:05:36Ben Mandelker: So this just goes on for a while. and uh k michelle goes after seeing him and seeing her ashley this is about money because there was no way you're with that little pudgy bald-headed man because you love him it is not that much love in america michelle just always comes out and says it she does but k michelle

1:06:00Ronnie Karam: I mean, you're dating you're dating life I mean, Castan is stones, glass house you know, so then Phaedra's like, okay is this tabled now? How is this tabled? We didn't even get an answer I mean, I'm glad it's tabled but still Angela's like, well, every time we table something, we try to rebuild and I get ambushed again

1:06:27Ben Mandelker: So Shamia's like, well I would love for us to get to a respectful space. But even just now she says, oh, I would like to accept an apology or move forward, but she's just like going to stab me in the back. And I'm not calling, asking about, or tea of any of y 'all, okay? I don't want to call around looking for it. So Angela's like, well, it's not around. I walked out the door. I didn't go far. I walked next door. I wasn't looking around for tea. It was just my neighbor.

1:06:55Ronnie Karam: And then Kelly tries it again. she's like oh my god you guys are just as short as angela's heels i'm killing it you guys i've had that one in my back pocket did you guys get that on camera this time we got it kelly

1:07:08Ben Mandelker: we got it again horsia horsia horsia greatest hits so now we go to rum bum competition

1:07:18Ronnie Karam: um so this was pretty funny because they start lifting up these plaster asses and they're like okay, guess whose ass this is. So the best part was they lift one up and they're like, whose ass is this? And Drew's like, ew, that ass is disgusting. That's not my ass. They start accusing each other of this ass. Who was it, her and Pinky?

1:07:45Ben Mandelker: I think Pinky was like, I think that's my ass. No, Pinky was very much like, oh, that's definitely my ass. Oh, it was Kelly and Drew.

1:07:52Ronnie Karam: So Kelly and Drew, they lift up one ass and Kelly was like, ew, that ass is definitely Drew's. And Drew's like, that is not my ass. That ass is gross. It's definitely Kelly's ass. You guys, one of you is dissing your own ass. This game is just, it's just a trick. Do you see? I knew it was a trick. It's just put a bunch of asses up there so everybody can be rude about each other's ass.

1:08:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so they talk about their asses and everything and they're sort of going through it and I'm like, oh God, how long is this going to go on for? And then all of a sudden, Gerald activates and he's like, hello, everyone. I hate to interrupt this competition, but we are all bored here. So here's something to divert our attention. There's a very big surprise out front. Everyone's like, oh my God, did Shamia buy, I mean, did Drew, not Drew, did Gerald buy Shamia a new car? What's going to be in the parking lot? What's going to be in the parking lot? And then we have -

1:08:49Ronnie Karam: I thought it was going to, I think we all thought it was going to be that. But Gerald, you know that Shamia just sent people around four days to get molds of people's ass just to have this big game and you interrupt you interrupt it purposely to shift focus to someone else

1:09:06Ben Mandelker: this is there is something fishy about this guy in the marriage for sure I did think it was weird that like for the first time all season he decides to actually participate in something in a significant way and it was interrupt this stupid scene I mean I was grateful for it But I also thought the timing was really strange on that. So they go.

1:09:25Ronnie Karam: But he's taking the attention from Shamia after she put a lot of work to get attention for herself in this episode. And he knows it. And he's purposely interrupting. I don't know. I didn't like it. So sorry.

1:09:37Ben Mandelker: I interrupted you. Well, no, no, it's fine. They go out to the driveway or something. And it's this guy named Terry bringing a horse for Drew. And we keep on seeing Drew's hairstylist, Walter. and we're seeing this guy like Walter and Drew. And I was like, it was so fast and so confusing. And then Drew has to fill it all in for us. She goes, well, I met this guy, Terry, and he was invited to the skate party. Then Walter convinced me to go on a date with this guy and he's a no-show. And then like, it was like so embarrassed. I was like humiliated and now here we are and like he's here with a horse.

1:10:14Ben Mandelker: I'm like so mad at Walter. Drew thinks there's a whole storyline going on because they shot the scene where she was stood up. she thinks there's a whole storyline about her and this guy terry and she thinks this is going to be a scene where it's like oh my god he did this big epic thing for me or oh my god how could you think he could win me back but the way that the cards have all the chips have fallen is that like there's no context we have not been watching this relationship unfold on tv as just this bizarre cutaway moment with a person we've barely ever met with a horse and someone from her entourage

1:10:52Ronnie Karam: smiling it really is weird because they introduced terry yeah at the skate party because they were trying to hook drew up and she was like oh and he wasn't great but we didn't see the date i don't think but also how she's worth it she's like he stood me up at the date but then we see a clip of it and drew gets the restaurant they're like he left so i was like well how late did drew show up so he came to the date and then he left so he didn't really just stand her up at least how they i missed that i don't know it's so weird and then he's got this horse and she's like what am i supposed to do with a horse but then everybody else is like clearly she rented a horse to have

1:11:30Ben Mandelker: this yeah and k michelle goes no she goes no one believes it true you rented it out and you're like it just showed up for you you got a better produce i how old at that because it's the first time ever i feel like it's been addressed on camera on one of these shows like you are producing right now like i mean at reunions it happens but like to actually have it like oh you tried to you are you are a bad self-producer this is just yeah this is this bad and also hilarious i was cracking up

1:12:01Ronnie Karam: at the scene i thought it was so funny and then to me i was happy actually for shamiya because she got to end with a line that i actually agreed with so it was nice for her because she said you know i would say the only hiccup was drew and the horse i mean you don't bring horses to somebody else's house that's the best point you've made all season like who does that actually

1:12:24Ben Mandelker: yeah and she says let me be delusional and think that y 'all had fun that was actually i thought what you were gonna say that she's like i know everyone hated this but let me just pretend like it was a fun party thank you yeah well that's that's that one um i don't know what's gonna

1:12:42Ronnie Karam: happen next week but something something's gonna happen they did it they shot it so we will see next time everybody thanks so much for being here we'll talk to you guys later on amazon live today and tonight at 5.30 Pacific time for Crapy Hour. Talk later. Bye-bye. Bye.

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