#3477 Crappy Hour 7/27: Breakups and Shakeups

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1:22Ronnie Karam: Well, hello everybody and welcome to Krabby Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben and I've got a window open also playing this so I'm hearing me double so Ben talk for a minute. How you doing babe?

1:36Ben Mandelker: I'm going to talk while you deal with your echo issues. I'm doing great thanks. How are you doing? Hi good to see everyone here in the chat. Got some funny things to talk about today on Crappy Hour. I'm seeing even before this even began we can see the chat on YouTube. and you guys are already cracking me up and I just have to give a special shout out. Where are you? Kate, you're in an existential battle with your wireless printer because it refuses to acknowledge that it exists on your Wi-Fi. I get that. I'm so sorry that you're going through that. That's one of the most frustrating things someone could go through.

2:11Ben Mandelker: So we are here to help you out of this tech-involved situation. What's going on with you, Ronnie?

2:19Ronnie Karam: um well i'm on coyote watch let me see who asked aaron just asked is the coyote still stalking me every day it's here every single day i've got it on camera it's like three times a day now it goes out there and it waits where bueller goes out i've got everything over here i've got wolf pee i've got uh silverware in a cup that i shake i've got mace i've got a bb gun a glock that i shoot I haven't actually been able, because once I get close enough, it runs the hell away for me, which I don't blame. It's not a real gun, so everybody calm down. I'm about to say, clarify that it's not a real Glock.

2:54Ronnie Karam: It's a BB gun Glock. I could not be trusted with a real gun because I have a temper, but also because I'm just too clumsy. I mean, I've almost found myself with this BB gun. It's heavy as hell. I guess it's supposed to be like a real Glock, so it's really heavy. And I'm trying to put it in my sweatpants. So my sweatpants are falling down. and then I'm walking around with it outside my sweatpants. And now if the neighbors ever see me, they're going to think I'm walking around with a pistol. So I probably should get rid of that. I got a coyote vest for Bueller. That's too big, so I'm getting a different one.

3:26Ronnie Karam: What else? I got a trap put out there. That didn't work. The coyotes are too smart. They literally look at it and just walk around it and look back at me and flip up their middle paw. And they're like, fuck you, stupid.

3:43that's where i'm at still out there can't get rid of them it's really it's so it's so frustrating

3:48Ben Mandelker: they're like squatters they're like airbnb squatters you were gone for what about eight weeks and then they moved right in and they were like this is ours now it's tough they came you

3:59Ronnie Karam: know it's like squatters who want to eat your dog i wouldn't mind the coyotes if they weren't trying to eat my dog the the problem is they're eating my child okay this is my child how dare you come for my child if you ever come for me never or my pular just need a you need to what you need to do

4:18Ben Mandelker: is you need to do a humane trapping where it goes into a trap like a cage and then you transport it to a different part of the city different a different forest where it'll thrive and you let

4:33Ronnie Karam: way it's still alive it just has been relocated yeah yeah i like that doha is saying um mountain lions too but we are on their land so we're the squatters i totally get that i'm not saying murder the coyote i just don't want it eating my dog and also i pay the mortgage so tell me when that coyote starts paying the mortgage and we can all do because you know normally i'm every animal i'm like you're so cute until the bueller murder that's that's a no-go for me sorry and i have a neighborhood uh it's not an app but i'm on a whatsapp thread with all the neighbors you know so we can update each other and it's kind of what you think it's people like hey someone was speeding up the street we better get him what's our license plate you know it's a lot of stuff like that but for this is the first time i've ever written it and i was like hey my dog just got attacked by a coyote.

5:25Ronnie Karam: What do I do? It's the first day. By the way, Bueller's fine. But anyway, I posted that. And they're like, oh gosh, please don't hurt the coyote. Is it the one-eyed one that we're trying to save? And maybe three times since then the neighbors keep posting, like, there's a coyote sitting right outside. Isn't it adorable? It's in the sunset. I swear to God. Do I just need

5:52Ben Mandelker: to put i don't know what to do but i asked i asked uh the internet and i asked basically google and it gave me an ai answer and it said uh that what you need to do i said wolf wolf p has already been tried and traps and loud noises and it says you have to remove all food and water attractants and you have to actively reshape their behavior through targeted high intensity multi-person hazing techniques i love this it's like they're in a frat so they say remove food sources so bring pet food indoors, obviously lock trash in heavy bins with secure latches, pick up fallen fruit or vegetables daily, eliminate water, empty standing water bowls, clear leaky spigots, keep pools or fountains inaccessible, clear shelter, so trim low brush and dense bushes and block access under decks or sheds where they might hide or den.

6:44Ben Mandelker: And then it also says, Now, in terms of active behavioral hazing, advance aggressively. Do not just stand and yell. Step towards the coyote while waving your arms high, opening an umbrella, or shaking a noisy object. Please open an umbrella like you're doing a musical number. I would love that. They say vary your tactics. Switch between air horns, yelling, water hoses, and throwing small objects like tennis balls or sticks near them so they don't adapt to a single noise. And then mobilize the neighbors. So consistent community-wide hazing techniques. but i don't know if you'll get to be able to do that part so that's according to the internet

7:17Ronnie Karam: it's definitely not going to work what about whatever what about putting up a giant poster

7:24Ben Mandelker: of britney's reunion outfit that might scare the thank you let's transfer out of this i was going

7:29Ronnie Karam: to say i should just play you know the real housewives of orange county reunion out there just have tamra screaming at the top of her lungs to scare the hell out of them but yeah The Valley Reunion looks came out.

7:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, before we need to put some sunglasses on the coyote. You're a cool guy, coyote. You're a cool guy. It'll be like, I'm out of here. I can't do this. Reunion. Reunion looks for the Valley. You know, at this point, it's become pretty standard. The reunion looks come out enough with such frequency that we really don't comment on them anymore. but the valley ones hit and uh it has immediately taken over twitter everyone's talking about it and i think really what it comes down to is britney i'll just share it for people who are let's get the share screen uh actually no i'm going to download the image instead of sharing the screen it'll look a little bit cleaner but um britney's outfit is is a wow it's it's a wow It's a wow.

8:34Ben Mandelker: I'm downloading it right now. Do you want me to put them up? I'm putting up Britney's. You can get them all, but I'm going to do a special image file. Britney right now. Here we go. This is Britney's look. Wow. That is a wow.

8:52Ronnie Karam: It's a wow. That is so many different kinds of a couch.

8:58Ben Mandelker: There's so many things that are going wrong with it. I just, when are her friends going to intervene and help her out? Because when she did this whole thing of I'm going to do a mommy makeover and yada, yada, yada, I thought like what would follow would be some really cute outfits. Like I kind of was like, oh, she's wearing not great outfits because maybe like she's not sure how to dress for what her body type is or something. but like I was sort of giving her the benefit of the doubt. Like maybe she does have style. She just doesn't understand, you know, uh, but now this is, this is off. This is, this doesn't understand, you know, it's like, like, what do I do?

9:42Ben Mandelker: Like,

9:43Ronnie Karam: no, Brittany's never had style. She showed up on the Vanderpump rules, wearing a nightie to her job interview with Lisa. I mean, I'll never forget. I mean, it was actually prettier than most of the things she's worn in her favor. Uh, you know, on her side whatever i'm trying to say but yeah britney is not really known for her her taste

10:04Ben Mandelker: so is this this is unflattering in the worst i mean first of all the colors are not great i know that they're probably given like a color scheme that they'll have to abide by but what what this picture does not capture is the rhinestone of it all because i saw a little on bravo's instagram they showed like her posing and it was a video and the bottom half sparkles so aggressively sparkle she got my sparkle back and so you have this crazy sparkle and so it's like you draw your attention either to the sparkle normally you have that much spark to draw attention there but then there is this corsety kind of thing that is is that a corset i think yeah it's like a

10:50Ronnie Karam: a brown. First of all, the bottom is a long floor drapey, well, not drapey, but it's like goes down to the floor skirt that's kind of a maroonish brown with like almost a paisley. I don't even know what the shape is of the rhinestones. And then the corset thing on top is another kind of brown, but it doesn't go with the bottom kind of a brown. And then, yeah, the bustier on top is obviously tight but then split down the middle and then tied in three spots coming down the middle it looks like it looks like the hulk about to come out when the hulk is like in transition of coming out of the skin you know what i mean like this is she doesn't look like the hulk i'm just saying it's like she's in the process of it being ripped off is what i mean it's like the substance when

11:41Ben Mandelker: Margaret Qualley has to come out of Demi Moore. Yes, she comes out of Demi Moore. You know, the thing is, I think the top, what it's supposed to do, I think it's supposed to be kind of like a sexy peekaboo moment, but what it really looks like is, it looks like the top is being torn open. And it's like very, very unflattering. It's like wildly unflattering for her. And it's just, it's like a shit.

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12:14Ben Mandelker: It's also like uneven. It feels like it's lopsided. It doesn't feel like it's constructed properly. And it just doesn't seem like it matches with the top or the bottom. Nothing is speaking to each other. Definitely not both sides of the bustier. It's just, how do we, how do we, can we make this Britney's storyline for next season? Is that she's going to improve her style? Because enough is enough. She's always had bad style, like you said. but this is it this is it it's time to intervene you've had it it's for charity okay it's like

12:44Ronnie Karam: but look here's the thing like i get i get people needing a makeover you know you want to get a makeover a mommy makeover or you know i'm a huge fan of a little tweak here and then so i get that but start start with the cheap easy things like clothes you know that's easier that's easier like how could you how could you spend all that money for the skin and you know physical makeover when this is still what you're this is still what you're choosing to put on top of it i don't know the whole thing is just scary and sad and you know you're you're saying why don't you ask why doesn't she ask her friends or why don't her friends help her her friends are zach I mean, Zach is wearing a denim two-piece bedazzled thing through this entire season.

13:36Ronnie Karam: You know, who are her friends? Let me show you who her friends are with these other pictures that came out of this reunion. Now, granted, we started with Britney, so these aren't going to be as bad, but they're not great. And I think that we're not even fashion gays. Only on a show like The Valley could Ben and I, Ben or I, or Ben and I, have any say over fashion. I'm wearing an active black t-shirt from Old Navy with some sweatpants right now while I talk about this. And I still feel more fashionably sound.

14:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's just, these are, this is, I just, my heart breaks for her. that she doesn't have the sense that this is one of the worst looks we've ever seen at a reunion ever, ever. Yeah.

14:33Ronnie Karam: So I think the color palette is supposed... Oh, I don't know. Well, that'll be interesting to see the reunion. How does anybody sit in some of these outfits that they wear on reunions, first of all? That's rough. But we have that. The color palette is brown. People have called Janet beige for years. It's like the third year that people have called her beige Janet. And I think it's funny that they have kind of a brown color palette. And then Janet's the only one in blue. Yeah, this really is Janet's season.

15:05Ben Mandelker: And you know what, Ronnie? Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to put Brittany up there. I actually found some bigger images. So I'm going to share my screen just to make it a little easier. Sorry, everyone. A trigger warning. It starts with Danny. I'm sorry. here we are so we're with danny he's doing like a double breasted and we'll come back to janet i'm

15:25Ronnie Karam: sorry this is just the beginning of this carousel no that's that was all i had to say it's just it's just funny that she showed up on the year that the color is brown she showed up in like bright blue so i know but danny yeah this is trash i think a lot trash maybe not i think all the men are wearing

15:41Ben Mandelker: the same suit yeah well danny is trying for a double breasted i think i can't tell if this is just a bad photo like it's not there's a lot of creases happening it doesn't look like it's fitting him properly he's definitely giving that like uh like tween boy being forced to wear a suit for the first time look it's it's not landing the way it should be but maybe in motion it'll look better i'm surprised he went for more of a european double-breasted look i would think he'd be like america first we only do one breast although i do love to have two breasts

16:15toots uh daddy drink toots yeah nia's look to me it seems it's like it's very it's nice but it

16:24Ronnie Karam: feels like a little matronly right i think nia's is really pretty actually except for the shawl that wraps around from the rib cage over the shoulder and then around the neck as well I think it's a little much shawl but you know I did just see the Odyssey and there's a lot of shawlage happening so maybe it's that

16:48Ben Mandelker: aging student says Danny emulates the Hillsong church priest guy and then the other Emily says Danny just doesn't fit but yeah I agree it's like the sash it's almost like an allusion to the fact that she was a beauty queen but I do find And it's like, I don't know. I feel like it's not quite doing what she wants for it. It's funny because Michaels wore a very similar sash for Southern hospitality. And it was like, ooh, chic. I mean, I don't know if that was really working for him either, but he was trying to make, it was kind of like a wow moment. But even I wasn't that wowed by it, but I think it was going for that.

17:26Ben Mandelker: But this is just sort of like lady going to, you know, a gala kind of vibe, right?

17:33Ronnie Karam: I mean, this one to me is pretty, but I think it's also standing next to a lot of these that aren't gray. He's wearing the exact same thing as Tom. I'm going to kick your thing off the screen just for a second just to show all the guys standing next to each other for a second. We'll bring yours back to look at them individually. But I just want you to see how everybody's wearing basically the same suit in different shades. But Schwartz and Luke are wearing pretty much the exact same thing. Maybe it's like a slight different tone. But is there anybody working in the wardrobe department at this show, do you think?

18:15Ben Mandelker: I can't. No, the answer is no. The answer is no. The answer is a decided no. The show's not really known for its fashions. But it really isn't. There's that. There's that. So we have, oops, I'm going to kick you off now. And then here comes back to Luke. I don't know why. I think that necklaces feels like it's not quite the right vibe for this outfit. I know they probably want to do like an accessory, but it's kind of giving jersey a little bit in a way that I don't think he's probably going for. And black shoes. I think a button down, a white button down would have been looked a little cuter, but I don't know.

18:58Ronnie Karam: um okay we already discussed it all goes back to britney though like seriously uh well let's get on to some other stories because there's only so much time we can spend okay all right well i just want to point one no go ahead there's one thing that's that's very

19:16Ben Mandelker: important to me uh i don't i don't like this dress on jasmine i like the fit of kristin's i just don't know if i like that snake skin look um that was that what it is snake skin it looks

19:26Ronnie Karam: like it's like a snake skin or crocodile skin maybe i don't know uh oh yeah snake skin i just i just did a close-up on it i don't i don't love this one for lala i don't know why um okay this is the last thing i want to lala's is matronly i think it's like major it just feels it looks cheap

19:44Ben Mandelker: you know uh i have to talk about this thing i need to speak up about the suburban dads who think they're being really clever by wearing sneakers with suits like this has to stop because they're all doing it and they all think they're being very clever like there was a moment where people were like wearing converse with like uh with like more of a formal look it's so played out it ended 10 years ago like enough's enough this is sort of a better version of it because he has like his white shoe is like a nice white shoe as opposed to just like uh vans or something like that and i like a van matches the shirt um yeah exactly we're getting a robot pretty bad okay apologies for the robot this is a great time for me to reboot my system while you continue on

20:33Ronnie Karam: with the chat no you don't have to reboot i think it was the safari because i don't hear it I think it was just these outfits

20:41Ben Mandelker: It was just Brittany

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22:32Ben Mandelker: um i mean all of this stuff we've sort of like lightly touched on we haven't like done deep dive chatter on but um i think of the most recent the recent i'm trying to look at what the most recent thing is that's gotten everyone into a uh into a tizzy uh but i think it's like everyone's talking about the the salt lake city uh relationships falling apart i mean we did talk about it a little bit last week but we can we can dive into it more deeply yeah so it's been a bad week for

23:05Ronnie Karam: those um there were rumors that are they confirmed i mean it was on tmz so that's more reliable than a regular blind, but Angie and her husband split. The very next day, poor Whitney came out. As you pointed out, like Lala, getting in there too late. She was going to have a big breakup, but then she kind of missed her opportunity. Whitney and Justin living separately.

23:38Ben Mandelker: Monica, of course, had a lot to say about this. She was on Monica of Salt Lake city. She was on, um, I think she was on, uh, Carlos King's. Yeah. Show co-hosts that she co-hosts it.

23:52Ronnie Karam: I thought she just guests often a lot. I think she co-hosts it a lot of the time. Cause she's on there all the time. She's on there at all. Go ahead. Go ahead.

24:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So, uh, she said, so, uh, so basically Carlos was like, I didn't hear about infidelity. so he says I mean I didn't hear it I'm not saying it's true or it's not true I didn't hear that but I did hear that Sean may allegedly feel that Angie has changed once she became a housewife and Monica's like that's exactly what I heard too that she's become intolerable, insufferable difficult, out of touch with reality it's like that is unfortunately part of the gig and no one should know that better than Monica herself

24:36Ronnie Karam: yeah no kidding what are we gonna yell at people for doing their jobs now for christ's sake also i saw sean um years not this bravo con but the one that was two years before so what is that like two and a half years ago he was in like skin tight silky pants like a gucci belt and a skin tight silk shirt that was buttoned down to his belly button he's ripped as hell he was wearing like you know brand i'm just making shit up but like louis vuitton you know or uh like i don't know just it was like brad brad carrying a louis vuitton bag he looked pretty affected as well so i'm gonna stand up for my angie k here thing at least against sean someone so uh super vixen in the chat says been hearing

25:27Ben Mandelker: sean is red pilling manosphere dude so this has been something that's been swirling around sean for a while like look at the people that he follows uh he's very like he follows a lot of conservative you know content creators or manosphere things do you think as that stuff got attention do you think that's something that may have been at the core of some of like some of this it's like that's a bad look for angie being on bravo do you think that that was anything anything that contributed to this or do you think that's just completely coincidental i'm just i'm not trying to stir up anything but it is something that crossed my mind yeah i don't know is that what you think i know i have to imagine there were probably some discussions about things like that and like i have to imagine i have to imagine that leads to like you know that that's a tough thing if you have someone that's like but i really this is who i am i like watching these shows i like this is who i want to vote for uh and i'm not saying one way or another if angie even had this conversation with Sean.

26:31Ben Mandelker: But if a conversation like that happened, like this is bad because of my, I'm on Bravo, people are not going to like me, yada, yada, yada. Like that's the exact sort of, that's like the literal exact something that could lead to a, you've changed, you've been consumed by this Bravo thing. I'm just trying to be me. And again, I'm not saying that this happened. I'm just, I, this is, I'm just purely wondering if this may be something that contributed to it. because everyone's speculating about everything. Is it an affair? Is it this or that? Whatever. So I'm just adding another thing to speculate about.

27:02Ronnie Karam: Well, this comment from Miss Mallory says he was following accounts for being a narcissist too. Yikes. God, nothing like some good old passive aggression like that. Jeez. Oh, wow. Look, everything I get, I get from the show. And the show started off with them sleeping on a bed that was as big as a city block and not getting near each other and being distant and not, and having no chemistry in their marriage.

27:32Ben Mandelker: So I don't know. I just go with that. But it's honestly like you had to imagine it was going to be a hard road. You know, when, when Angie's first full-time season, it's a storyline of whether or not her husband is gay. When that stuff happens, it's always like, Ooh, this is going to, this, this marriage is about to absorb some, damage and will, will this, will they be able to get through something like this? Obviously it's not damaging to be gay, but like rumors like that, where it's like, Oh, my wife went on this TV show and now this is something that's just out there in the world. And I have to defend it all the time.

28:11Ben Mandelker: Like, no, I am straight or whatever. Like stuff like that is hard on a relationship, you know, like I have to imagine it's really, really hard, probably more like, Oh, you put us in a space where now you put me in a space where I'm vulnerable to these sort of accusations or rumors and yada, yada, yada. So I was a little worried about them after all that stuff happened.

28:34Ronnie Karam: They seem like they kind of have a low-key great dislike of each other, I'll say, since she started on this show. So that one wasn't too surprising. The Whitney stuff isn't surprising either. But as far as Whitney goes, I don't really believe most of what Whitney says. so I don't even know if this is for storyline or not. You know, a lot of rumors that it's for storyline. I don't know. I have no idea. I don't care that much. I think that the falling out of this stuff has been what's good because, of course, Meredith and Lisa. Meredith, I think both right away, right after the first was announced, which the first was Angie, Meredith posted something like, well karma is not just a river in egypt and some people have been projecting all over me when their own relationship you know she did a very meredith meredithly worded post uh and it

29:36Ben Mandelker: was a little kick them while they're down i thought it was it really was and then of course she backtracked when she's got flaccid and I wasn't directing anyone I was just making an observation in a vacuum that just happened to coincide with two of my enemies on the show losing their marriages that's it but truthfully my commentary about karma was purely just because I had seen a commercial for credit karma and I thought wow that could be applied to just all

30:07Ronnie Karam: sorts of karma and that's it your husband may leave you but karma will always come back

30:18Ben Mandelker: yeah so uh i was a little surprised to see meredith meredith make that little little kick them while they're down moment like i was not surprised by lisa because lisa that's that's lisa like not not that she would kick while down but lisa I think in any situation, Lisa's just thinking about herself. And in that moment, she's like, oh my God, this is a great time to remind people that we have a really great relationship and that they should like look to us as beacons for love. Yeah.

30:47Ronnie Karam: And hers was with her arm around John and she's holding a bottle of Vita tequila. And it says partners in everything. Yeah. We're not just like partners in business, but we're also like still partners in real life. So whatever. um yeah so that was that's their thing also there have been rumors swirling around that angie and mary are donezo angie did an interview this week where she was saying heather gay is her ride or die now and her and mary don't follow or she and mary don't follow each other anymore boom boom boom

31:25Ben Mandelker: but i thought that was that already happened like i know there was a thing where um angie and mary stopped following each other and everyone's like oh my god they're not following each other but then they started following each other again so they unfollowed again yeah um a reddit comment which is basically the new york times was speculating that they only followed each other

31:46Ronnie Karam: again because it was before the season aired and bravo was like you can't spoil the season by unfollowing each other and letting people know you're having problems so they followed each other back and then once the season stopped shooting they unfollowed each other he didn't know following drama who's following who i took it um i took the news that uh she said that heather gay is her ride or die now to be the the nail in that coffin i'm looking for a usb uh converter that's what i'm doing right now looking through my bag i'm going to be distracting everybody i i want to bring

32:20Ben Mandelker: some i want to bring something this is also something from reddit i'm going to present her Okay, share screen window. Okay, so Lisa had posted this photo of her and John in the wake of what had happened. And Eagle-Eyed Redditor was like, actually, Lisa just Photoshopped their faces. Like, she Photoshopped John. This is according to them, onto a black man's body because she forgot to change the hand.

32:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's what Nora was saying on her podcast. Oh, I totally didn't. At first, when I first saw it, I thought maybe it was a shadow, but... It could be. It doesn't look like a shadow here.

33:03Ben Mandelker: It's definitely two different hands. Oh, my goodness. Well, you know what? I don't see color. I don't see color, everyone.

33:13Ronnie Karam: But, like, I literally don't. I can't... I love that. I can't tell. I can't tell anymore.

33:22Ronnie Karam: when it's not just a saying

33:25Ben Mandelker: yeah it's the most progressive Photoshop to come out of the Bravo universe of all time

33:34Ronnie Karam: oh gosh so that's the Salt Lake City stuff I'm just glad all this all this news is coming out about Salt Lake City because that means it's time for a return it's getting near because we're going to need something else to be on other than just new york city right because

33:53Ben Mandelker: we're going to have we're going to well we're going to have orange county for a while promising start i have to say it's not a great start and i wonder i wonder who we could look to for that being a problem i'm gonna say gina and emily again do these look like glaucoma glasses even like cataract glasses a little bit or maybe you might pull someone over on the freeway oh really they look like cop glasses are you going to be sending any why do things always look good in a gas station what I said are you going to be sending any bombs in the mail not unless they're a coyote wait wait put them on again put them on again let's see

34:41Ronnie Karam: when i tell you in the gas station i was like nine dollars those look so cute well then um i put

34:46Ben Mandelker: they look cute with the mustache they're just a look a little they look a little big and like i know they're trying to they're supposed to be oversized but they there's one thing for them to be oversized and one thing for them to be a little bit out of proportion like they're not they're not like resting on your nose quite right but i could be wrong what do people in the chat think because again i'm not a fashion gay uh well that's okay it was just a quick question and i never found

35:12Ronnie Karam: the usb converter so i'm just gonna sit here and roast in this house what do you think because i can't plug my little usb fan in now okay so let's see here um the let's get to some southern hospitality stuff i remember we talked a little bit about tj too and all of this when this was starting, but I don't remember what episode it was. Um, so yeah, but TJ and Leva seem to be

35:36Ben Mandelker: having a falling out. So TJ posted a photo of, uh, him, uh, uh, like leaning up against a pallet that I think has a hot dog stand, hot dog thing. I don't know what it is. It's some sort of piece of machinery. And he says it felt criminal not posting for national hot dog day yesterday, which is a great way to start any sentence. I'm like, oh, I feel you. I mean, National Hot Dog Day came and went without even a whimper from me. But honestly, I've been so focused on what's next that I haven't really stopped to reflect for a long time. I let someone convince me that I needed them for my dreams to become reality and that I was moving too fast, that I should stay where I was, that my future depended on staying under someone else's umbrella instead of building your own.

36:23Ben Mandelker: I'm like, building your own umbrella or building your own future or is your future umbrellas?

36:28Ronnie Karam: And that's it. I'm building umbrellas now. That is my decision. And this is a really long monologue. At some point, you have to ask yourself if you're living your own story or someone else's story. Girl, it's a hot dog stand.

36:43Ben Mandelker: Can we stop? Yeah, he's like, I'm betting on myself. Who hurt you in your hot dog stand? Yeah, just say, I'm so excited. I'm starting up my own business. It's like so easy and it's just so funny how like between TJ and Joe, these like big serious statements about them getting new jobs is like they're just so over the top of it. You know, it's like it's proof that sometimes the biggest leap you can take is walking away from what feels comfortable and trusting yourself enough to build something from the ground up. So you went from serving hot dogs on a Sunday afternoon to just serving hot dogs all week long.

37:22Ben Mandelker: Great. I guess. It's like a brick and mortar thing.

37:25Ronnie Karam: But my favorite line was right before this. He says, Sir Wieners was never just about hot dogs. I love that. It was about America. He should put that on the t-shirt. Sir Wieners, not just about hot dogs. What the fuck else is it about? I just want a hot dog. Buns, hot dogs, and drama.

37:47Ben Mandelker: It was never about hot dogs. It was about merch also. So that's why we had 10 different photo shoots for hot dogs.

37:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so he says he's not asking for permission anymore. And I'm going to believe that I was enough all along. Charleston and Richmond, Sir Wiener's brick and mortars are happening. Stay tuned. So this set off, you know, the Internet saying, oh, wow, this is clearly anti-Leva. And what did Leva do? Try to steal his hot dog business or whatever? However, so Love of followed up with a post.

38:22Ben Mandelker: Let me look at Love is by the way, I will have, I do have to say in love is defense. I feel like she's always been very complimentary about TJ and always use TJ as an example of like what her other employees should do. She was always like, Joe, you don't even have a business plan. I mean, look at TJ. He's thriving. You know, everything was about how good TJ was. So now he's like, oh, and fuck her. I'm like, oh, wow. What happened?

38:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, and I always, I'm never, it's awkward to take love aside in any way, but to say like building it from the ground up and doing it. I mean, no, you built it from a place that was her restaurant and her TV show and everything else. So I don't know, something bad must have happened because I feel like he wouldn't clearly be coming for her like that unless something happened. So she follows up a few hours later with a passive-aggressive Instagram story. story and it's a guy holding a sign over a freeway like it's a like a protest it kind of reminds me of the freeway protests that people were doing a few years ago it looks like he's about to do a freeway protest but the sign he's holding over says not being liked by fucking losers is usually a good sign so then everybody was like oh wow clearly you're coming for tj with how dare you So everybody got really pissed at Leva.

39:42Ronnie Karam: And then Leva responded like, oh my God, you guys. Like, seriously, it's nothing to do with anybody at my... This is just like a post. Like, I don't know why everybody's acting like that.

39:53Ben Mandelker: It's just like... What? People coming into Zach's Dax. Like, what are you talking about? Like, Zach's Dax is hotter than ever. Come get your margarita, but also do an art class, but also get your tarot reading. Like, whatever. What are you talking about?

40:08Ronnie Karam: Yep. And so then Joe Bradley came out with the next bombshell. Joe Bradley is leaving Leva's place to go work for a new, quote unquote, this is from Reality Blurb, new, quote unquote, hospitality group amid rumor of Leva's exit from Southern Hospitality. So when we heard this news, we said, well, clearly this is going to be an Austin and Craig spinoff, right? Because how are you going to do Southern hospitality without Leva unless you just get rid of that whole restaurant group? Because Lamar doesn't want to shoot either. And we didn't see Leah CEO this past season. Yeah, the big problem right there.

40:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. So maybe they're starting over with Austin. But yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

40:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, Joe said he was going to be moving over to Uptown Hospitality Group. And I don't know, is Uptown Hospitality Group the same group that does, by the way? I'm not sure what Uptown is.

41:06Ronnie Karam: It's Uptown Hospitality and Sharehouse. Wait. I'm joining Uptown Hospitality. Hey, I'm joining. I'm excited to officially announce I'm joining Uptown Hospitality Group and calling Sharehouse my new home. So he's wearing a Sharehouse hat in his thing. So I guess that's them. I don't know. This is the new step in my career and opportunity. I've been working so hard for a long time. I'm incredibly excited to continue growing in hospitality and take on more responsibility and keep learning from an amazing team as I work toward my goal of opening venues of my own. I also have the opportunity to work all of Uptown Hospitality Group's incredible venues here in Charleston.

41:48Ronnie Karam: One of the venues Joe mentioned specifically was By the Way, which is a bar owned by Craig and Austin.

41:54Ben Mandelker: There we go. I wonder if Bravo is pushing out Leva. Maybe they're like, I wonder if it's an issue that Lamar won't shoot that, or maybe they just don't like working with Leva. I'm not sure, but like, it's so wild because I think what's always been interesting about Southern hospitality is that Leva was never a breakout star on Southern charm. She just was a part of the ensemble and, you know, she would push back and, you know, sometimes she was like a voice, like a more progressive voice on a show where there's like a bunch of dingbats. But there, but she wasn't like, like a hugely, hugely, hugely magnetic part of the ensemble.

42:36Ben Mandelker: She didn't like pop out above and beyond. And yet she wound up with the spinoff where she was like the head of the spinoff. And I wonder if that was always like a little bit of a weird tension for Bravo. And maybe they're like, oh, there's a way for us to consolidate this and move it all over to this uptown group that has Craig and Austin's bars. That way we can center them instead. Because I think Bradley, did he leave Republic to work on Body by Brad? Joe was left. Will is a law student. He did?

43:08Ronnie Karam: Well, Leva said in a previous Instagram post around the reunion time that Emmy and Brad were both off the schedule. And I think Brad's was to do with controversy after the season filmed where he was taping somebody at his gym, like a lady at his gym and posted like she's doing the treadmill incorrectly or something. And there was like a big. Controverse over that. So, I mean, I don't know. but yeah it seems like a lot of them are kind of on their way out like what are you going to do with

43:39Ben Mandelker: emmy yeah the thing is this emmy was actually probably the biggest issue which was like they had to get rid of emmy may i don't know maybe they saw like okay we don't want this cast to to get locked in the way we got locked in with vanderpump rules where then all of a sudden we're in so deep with them that like if we pivot to like new people like the audience will reject it so maybe they're just trying to just I don't know remix it a little bit but I have to imagine that Maddie will be back Joe will be back and there was before all this stuff came out there was a blind that said Southern Hospitality is coming back but Leva is out and I was like what why would Leva be out then all of a sudden we see TJ pushing back all of a sudden we see Joe with this post so I don't I'm so confused I'm confused about the future of this show So like, yeah, I guess we'll see.

44:32Ronnie Karam: I don't think the ratings were very good. So they needed to do something. So maybe that's what they're going to do. Just move it over, you know, and Michael Horn is in the comments saying maybe it'll be like VPR where they move off into adulthood. That's a possibility. Like not making it as much about the restaurant and stuff, but they've only been doing it three years. And Vanderpump Rules did that for 11. Well, no, that's not true. Vanderpump Rules spun off into more about their lives, like half. But no one likes that. four or five years through the show.

45:01Ben Mandelker: But no one liked that. That's the thing. And so I think I would be, I'm wondering if maybe they are trying to cut it off at the pass and be like, okay, before it gets stale, let's keep the show about what it really is about. Although the show, I do think that Southern Hospitality has done a better job at like bringing in new young people every season. So there's always like, if there's turnover, there's other people. But I'm just, I just don't know if like the likes of like Lake, and Molly or whatever is working. Plus, also don't forget, Grace Lilly has drug issues. So they probably are trying to hit a reset without announcing it's a reset.

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48:19Ben Mandelker: so speaking of ratings uh forgot to mention this i just didn't even want to mention it at all but i do feel like i have to we talk a lot about shows that are not getting good ratings so we should talk about the shows that are getting good ratings deadline wrote something last week that said bravo's white hot reality tv summer continues and ronnie i'm going to put this in the document because i don't know if it's actually in the document i'm gonna paste the link in at the top of the doc.

48:46Ronnie Karam: I can just tell by your tone what you're talking about.

48:48Ben Mandelker: You know. There's only one thing that I'm going to try not to ever talk about. But Bravo's White Hot Reality TV Summer continues with ratings wins across Below Deck Mediterranean in the city and more. And so Below Deck Med, when it came back, apparently had wildly huge numbers. um below deck med delivered 3.4 million total viewers across the platform in seven days up 59 from the season 10 debut to be bravo's biggest season or series premiere in more than two years um and then uh also on peacock alone the season premiere of below deck med ranks as the number two bravo next day episode of all time behind of course next gen new york city uh season two So there's next gen New York City season two season premiere is now number one Bravo next day episode after seven days of viewing on Peacock of all time.

49:51Ben Mandelker: Now, there's a lot of things there because it's like, oh, there's the overnights and there's this demographic of this. But basically, this is the metric that these companies are using now, which is like the one week. You track it over seven days, yada, yada. So there's that. So next gen New York City is still kicking ass. The McBee Dynasty, Real American Cowboys, unveiled its third season to an audience of 2.5 million multi-platform viewers across seven days, which is an 88 % lift year over year. This is now lucky number three on the list of biggest premieres ever for Bravo next day titles on Peacock.

50:30Ben Mandelker: I quit. I quit podcasting entirely. How is this possible?

50:36Ronnie Karam: With a parade passes by. It's like, what is even happening anymore? And how do I have no grasp on it anymore? You know? It's like we were talking about earlier, Avatar, how Avatar is this zillion-dollar-making thing, and we don't really know that. You and I, we're like, who watches Avatar? But obviously, a ton of people watched Avatar. Anyway, it just made me think of a second ago.

51:03Ben Mandelker: Well, I mean, Heidi Ann's in the chat says the Love Island effect, which I think is actually a very good point. A lot of people complained that when you get to the end of a Love Island episode, Peacock would immediately spit people on to McBee Dynasty. And so I'm sure a lot of people stayed or some people just didn't realize. Or I don't know how long you sit there and watch McBee Dynasty before you turn it off before it counts as a view. So there is the Love Island effect because I'm not going to give it to McBee Dynasty. They actually had very minimal promotion. There was a lot of promotion last year.

51:37Ben Mandelker: there was very minimal promotion this year. So to hear that it was up 88 % over last year is wild to me.

51:44Ronnie Karam: It's wild for that show. Look, I know you hate McBee Dynasty. I hate what it stands for, but McBee Dynasty is full of mess. I mean, shit goes down on that show, and that's what people want to see. I mean, we're talking about OC, nothing going on. We're talking about all of these shows where literally nothing is going on, and they're struggling to keep it alive. And then you've got McBee Dynasty, where tonight it's like, wait a minute, Steve Jr. was accused, or one of the sister-in-laws was kind of accusing him of being too inappropriate with Cole's girlfriend. Like, what? You know, they just bring mess.

52:25Ronnie Karam: They bring mess every week. So, I mean, it is delivering in that department.

52:30Ben Mandelker: This is why the show is so bad, because they do have a lot of mess, and to me, the fact that they cannot actually make a compelling narrative out of it is such a failure on the show's part. Like, I really, really firmly believe that. Because yes, nothing is happening on Orange County, but the producers can like, they know how to put together a good show. But like McBee Dynasty, I'm sorry, everyone keeps on saying like, oh, but like Galena is like, it's all worth it for Galena. I'm like, is it? Because honestly, I don't even think Galena's that interesting. I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it. I don't think she's that interesting.

53:00Ben Mandelker: I thought it was funny that she had these rampages, but like it was all off camera. And then she just sits there and she's like, and i just i don't know like i just think that like it's all those things where everyone is

53:11Ronnie Karam: literally on camera with a shovel knocking okay she was on a shovel she was she had a shovel she had a confrontation with steve's ex-lover this year because the producers were trying to make her make nice with every i mean galena's gold and i feel like you're trying to trigger me now coming for galena no i don't i actually my hot take is i don't think that she's gold my hot take

53:32Ben Mandelker: is that I think she's fine. I don't think that she's even... I feel like I've said, oh yeah, Galena. I mean, Galena's entertaining. She's not that entertaining to me anymore. I mean, I don't know. I just think that the show is so languid and it's so dull. And the fact that it does it while also having all this quote-unquote mess, people online are like, it's drama. It's wall-to-wall drama. I'm like, then why is it so boring to watch? Like, why is it so slow? Why is it so...

54:03Ronnie Karam: Because you just don't like the... I think you just... I think the concept... I just don't like it. I think the people, the whole setting to you, you know, the whole thing is just not... It's not going to be something that you like, you know? I think it just works against your... Well, listen, we all have our things. Like the Valley, I can't with the Valley this year. And that, you love that one. And that one's doing great in the ratings too. so you know we just all have our our things i guess make b i don't like a single person on that show as far as looking up to you know nothing like that i just think it's such

54:39Ben Mandelker: entertaining trash that i just think it's um i just don't think it's totally consistent with the rest of bravo like it's not funny it's not campy it's just like this show that just slowly plods along and like i just that's that's my issue with it you know like i don't know i don't know Yeah, I get it.

54:58Ronnie Karam: Because you have straight guy shows like Below Deck or something like that, but they still give us enough, or Southern Charm, you know, but they still give us enough camp and fun to make it good for everybody. Where I think McBee is just straight up straight guy, you know. Yeah. You know, something we would never watch. I would never have watched it if it weren't on Bravo.

55:24Ben Mandelker: yeah if we weren't recording this show like i would never ever ever watch it you know i would watch it once and be like i'm done with it but you know i mean it is funny it's fun to make fun of it that's for sure but um yeah but but the point of the story is this that while some of our favorite shows are languishing with low ratings mcb dynasty 2.5 million uh multi-platform seven days so wow Incredible. Incredible.

55:52Ronnie Karam: But also, by the way, Below Deck Med. When you look at the overnights on Bravo Ratings, Ratings Bravo on X, I follow them. And it's a picture of Meredith. It's like a windswept Meredith. So I always think of it as Meredith sitting there typing the overnight ratings. But McBee Dynasty does really well. The Valley does really well. Below Deck is killing it. I mean, that hit almost a million in overnights this week, which is almost incredible.

56:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Below Deck Med, its premiere had 1.2 million overnights. And Below Deck Med has always been the most popular. I have to say that probably Below Deck Down Under primed the audience for a really big Below Deck Med season. Because Down Under was fantastic this season. It was so good. And so it just got us all ready to dive into Below Deck Med. And, you know, people maybe have gotten on to Below Deck Med before they got on to Down Under. And then when sailing came along, they're like, it's too much. So they come back for med, but they skip the others. So it's like no surprise that it's had such a big season.

56:54Ben Mandelker: Oh, I forgot to mention that - Also sperm.

56:57Ronnie Karam: It's been a very big sperm controversy.

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57:19Ben Mandelker: he-man it's a he-man action figure for those actually listening that's hilarious this is it is actually purely a commentary on the hair this is not supposed to be any other commentary because i know some people will be like it's nothing about that it's just the same haircut that's all it's purely a hair comparison but my friend has a he-man collection i saw it and i was like it's literally captain sandy's hair well that's a new movie masters of the universe isn't that he-man yeah that came out in june i think it came and went sort of like anyone walking into a restaurant and seeing norma sort of like luke came and he went more like came and it stayed the sheets that is yeah well listen i love finishing a conversation with he-man hair and

58:09Ronnie Karam: come and um i think that is going to do it for the audio portion of this we're going to turn this over to you guys on video so if you're with us on youtube or patreon we're going to post a link here in the comments for you to join us everybody on audio thank you so much for being here we'll

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