#3485 RHOC S20E04 Part One: Boxed Whine

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1:26Ben Mandelker: It's when there's so much that happens.

1:56Ben Mandelker: a few minutes well that doesn't count in real life no complaints okay that's great except for that coyote i'm just gonna remind you all the things you have to complain about yes you had a bobcat last night right yeah but the bobcat doesn't bug me because it hasn't attacked buell's you know but those those coyotes it's now a family of five coyotes back there but we're still trucking over here bobcat better get to work okay we got yeah bobcat my my new theory is that there's a warren of rabbits under your house now and so it's attracting all the coyotes and then the coyotes are attracting a bobcat and next a bear oh that you know what at this point i'm just i've calmed down a little bit i'm just out there with them every day it's a little coyote vest some mace it's a noisemaker it's great i'm just used to it now you know wildlife what are you gonna do i think they're all very cute animals yeah i know thank god they're cute um so uh you You know what else is cute?

2:54Ben Mandelker: Us, because we're going to be doing Amazon Live on Monday at, that's it, 1.30 West Coast, 4.30 East Coast. So come join us there. We like to talk about the cool things we found. And other than that, we got our Patreon, patreon.com slash watch what happens. You guys know the drill. Video, newsletter, ad-free listening, all the good stuff. Bonus episode. We broke down the Roni trailer this week. So that was really fun. um it is time to talk about uh episode four we're already in at four episodes into season 20. It's a little bit of a slow start for this milestone season. This is the this is the week where everyone is starting to basically grumble on the internet and say what's going on with Orange County like is this really the jewel the crown jewel season 20 seasons in and this is what we've got to which I say why are you surprised the moment they said that Emily and Gina would be back i was like it's gonna be a dud and honestly i was excited for for vicky you know in the sense that i love a nostalgia play but in all reality vicky's last few seasons on the show were she was not very interesting so you know this the odds are stacked against problematic and there's that however i actually have i you know i love orange county and i'm still entertained by it but i have to agree this season is plodding along and i'm hoping that it comes to life a la beverly hills did last season what do you think well i have to say you know as much as we grumble about emily and gina emily made me laugh the most in this episode when they were really in the box game when they did the box game really it's like tamra didn't even try to disguise what she was trying to say to heather i mean just write down like fuck you heather i cracked up at that that was funny and then i laughed at myself for laughing at gina it's like whoa how often did that happen things are i just you know when all else fails i just find things about heather to laugh about and it was during this box game at one point jen said something that annoyed heather so much and she did this thing where she jutted out her lower jaw which is another one of her tics when she's really mad she's like i am going to show you more of my jaw than you thought you could see she juts it out and she goes like this just does a slow like turn it's like she's possessed by zuul but uh like i love that like she's gonna stab you with her with her little and this was a really good episode for my turn i'm speaking my turn still me still me you didn't actually say still me and i was so mad um but we start off at gina's house and this is the funniest thing that to me that of this hour was uh i was watching with with dominique my partner so you know he comes in and out of watching these shows with me and he was like on his phone and he looks up at this opening scene and we we arrive at gina's house and he goes wait and he was not being shady he's like wait where do they ever show where they live and i'm like they don't they they'll say where they live they don't actually put up their locations like they don't the towns because oh because i thought this show was like about opulence i burst out laughing that like he had this that's like this reaction to gina's house it was like wait did they change the fundamental premise of what this entire franchise is about i'm like no it's just you know this is poor people now yeah they got they got into a meeting at bravo and we're like we want the opening of Les Mis, but his house was.

6:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Gina's, you know, Gina's a very nice, respectable home. You know, it's a nice home. You know, she's about three feet from her next home over. It's definitely maybe not as luxe as some of the other cast members on Anywhere on Bravo, but look, it's a little bit of a sad day when your house isn't as nice as Joe Bradley's. Let's be honest. But you know what? God bless Gina. She tries. Yeah, beyond even poor shaming Gina at this point. That's like the least of this show's problems, honestly. Shoulder pad shaming, for sure. I get that that's kind of a thing, but it's not the thing all the time in every outfit.

7:20And just Gina and Emily in general. So they have a scene together where they've decided to do TikToks. And Gina's telling us, you know what? There's like actually money to be made on social media. Yeah. Yeah, Gina.

7:39Ben Mandelker: This is one of the saddest twists. Welcome. This is one of the saddest pivots of the show. Like, we're 20 years old, so now we're going to celebrate social media. Yeah, so Gina's found TikTok. and her and Emily do, or she and Emily, I guess I should say, do wacky TikToks together. And that's like their thing now. And they're very secret lives of Mormon wives where they actually get together to like do content. Yeah. It's like, yeah, there was something about watching Gina lay out those outfits for TikTok and then her being like, there's this thing called social media and there's like a lot of money on it.

8:21Ben Mandelker: i was like i'm just cringing on the inside i'm not disagreeing that there's a lot of money i'm just saying i'm cringing i'm really cringing yeah by the way i am sorry my my everything i have is on do not disturb and yet somehow my system still finds a way to ding so if you're hearing dings i'm working on it i don't know of course i get a million text messages as soon as we start recording but leave it to apple to always make sure that when you say do not disturb and silence that it's still like, well, are you sure you don't want to hear this text sound though? Because this is a fun one. So I'm sorry, everyone, if you can hear that.

8:58Well, I hope you know that your phone is, it's an avenue that you can make some money. You know, people say find something that you're passionate about and you never feel like you're going to work. Well, I'm really passionate about making me and my friend look stupid on the internet. Well, that's nice. It's nice to see you guys branch out from just looking stupid on TV.

9:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. I hope this really helps your one-bedroom condo real estate career. I'm like so mad at Gina this week. I don't know why she didn't do anything, but I'm just like going to take every shot at her possible. I think it's like it's Friday and I just have no fuck left to give. This is the part of the season also where I get irrationally mad that Gina is still on this show. And then I take pot shots at her And then I feel mead Because she seems like by all accounts A generally nice person I feel mead I feel mead

10:00But anyway But she also seems to keep changing her accent Which is super weird Did you notice that today she keeps saying Oh my god So she gave you a big I feel like she didn't I feel like she's doing I think she's exaggerating sometimes on purpose. Is that even Long Island? Is that a beak?

10:21Ben Mandelker: Well, it's like she stopped off in Minnesota for a second. She's like, my accent's on a layover in Minnesota because I couldn't book direct from Long Island. I couldn't book direct from Islip to John Lane Airport. I picked it up at the airport. You know what? Airplanes, it's like an avenue for income.

10:45Ben Mandelker: You know what's also an avenue for income? Avenues. I want to, like, build more avenues. I see pantyhose. That makes me nervous. Oh, it should make you nervous. Because Shannon's stopping by, too. And I was looking at ones we can do with Shannon. And it's going to be great, okay? I got you a birthday gift. We don't get each other birthday gifts. But it's just, like, a bestie gift. You should open your bestie gift. And guess what? It's a big black sweatshirt. and it's so big uh because you can put two people in it you can both get into the sweatshirt because there's two heads and in fact for those who want further instruction gina says it's a honey but there's two heads for me and for you and she's like oh my god of course there is we're gonna be so annoying great news emily you're already there don't need a sweat for that he said that I was like now now now it's a plan it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial this episode is supported by fx's the shards a seductive drama from executive producer ryan murphy set in 1980s los angeles the series follows a group of glamorous deeply entangled high school seniors drawn into a life of wealth beauty parties and excess at its center is Brett, whose reality begins to unravel when the arrival of a new student coincides with a series of mysterious murders.

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13:55Ben Mandelker: That's article.com slash crappens for$50 off your first purchase of$100 or more. If Heather had given that sweatshirt to Emily, Emily would have lost her mind for a year. being like how dare you she got me a sweatshirt for two how do you think that makes me feel that was my thought too it's the only it's the only kind they make ding dong hello drake i am your neighbor televisions heather dubrow i have a sweatshirt for two would you like to join me in the other head hole open invitation anyone anyone want to join my head hole okay

14:43well i don't want expensive gifts from her because we're not that kind of friend you know we're not fake friends like carmella who we're gonna jump on for no reason for the rest of the episode no oh we're the kind i just want her time and her energy and that's what she

14:58Ben Mandelker: gives me so then shannon shows up and she's like oh well uh what do you have in that bag there emily And Emily's like, oh, Gina got me a very funny gift. And Gina's like, you know, it wasn't just the hoodie, you know? It was, like, also a candle that says, smells like my 40s are over. And, like, I'm, like, a great gift giver. So they get into their sweatshirt, the two-headed sweatshirt. And Shana's like, oh, look at that. Two people bound by something, much as I thought I was bound by an oath that I gave to David. But that's okay. go walking on the beach with a slut. Who cares about things that keep you together and vital and in love?

15:40I just don't need a candle that says smells like your 40s are over. I already have my body. I literally don't need a candle that says anything.

15:48Ben Mandelker: Like if it's got a sentence on it, I don't want it. Yeah, a sentence. A wacky comedy candle. Every time I light this candle, I laugh. The only candle I will accept is one that says with love, comma, Diane Wiest. Everything else, no go. Don't speak. Don't speak. The Diane Wiest candle. What did everybody else get you for your birthday? And she's like, oh, Carmella got me a Dior clutch. And then, you know, like I pulled it and I saw another box in there. It was a purple vibrator. But I had a totally great sense of humor about it. It didn't really bother me at all. I thought it was funny. You literally called up, Didn't she literally call up Heather last week and say, there was a vibrator.

16:35Ben Mandelker: Then I was like, was she trying to have a moment? Why did you keep asking me? It's just like kind of weird. And then there was this. Like she literally called Heather and Terry and Terry had to explain. It was a setup for a joke that says you either take the bag or go fuck yourself. Don't you see? And she's like, oh. Yeah. Last week, she was kind of offended at the purse because she thought she was trying to impress everybody with her money. And then the vibrator was just an added, you know. I don't know if she was insulted. She was more insulted than she's acting this week. This week, she's like, oh, look at me, fun, Emily.

17:11And last week, she's like, could you believe this bitch got me a Dior clutch? What are you trying to prove?

17:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because this week, she's passing it off to Gina to be the one who's going to be mad about it. And you're going to tell me that Gina doesn't already know about this. Say it again. I'm sorry. Gina, take the bet. A, you're correct. And B, you think that Gina didn't already know about this? as Emily told Heather before she told Gina. So Gina being like, oh, my God, what did everyone get you? Did Carmela get you something? So Gina's like, I mean, you show up as like a B invite and you bring like a Dior bag. And like, how much do you think that bag was? Oh, probably like$3 ,000. Oh, my God. I didn't know they were more than$60.

17:55Ben Mandelker: Bags can get that expensive. Oh, way more than that. Way, way more than that. Are we going to just pretend a$3 ,000 big, big, and a sex toy? Are we going to pretend that that's normal? That's what we're going to pretend now? Gina, Heather brought you a couple of years ago an entire rack of leather jackets in different sizes for you to try on. Okay. Gina, you look like you're smuggling a novelty-sized hanger in your blazer right now. Are we going to talk about what's normal? You look like you're imitating a subway turnstile. You look like a yield sign.

18:44I would iron my shirt on your back if I actually had an iron.

18:52Ben Mandelker: i'm out of triangle puns um so gina is like whoa this is crazy she's like whipping herself into a frenzy and don't forget that she was already pre-whipped into a frenzy because last week she was really upset because um carmella had the audacity to call herself a developer and according to gina who has not really looked into it or had conversations with her or put any sort of effort into understanding anything else she's not a developer and the and and her her main source of proof is vicky gunvalson who's like she's not a developer she's there and so gina's already like mad at this girl for saying that she's a developer yeah you know i think these ladies just need to give carmella a minute because from what we see of carmella what we've seen of her so far carmella is going to be an asshole on her own like he She doesn't need you guys to make her into an asshole when she hasn't even done anything wrong.

19:45Give her a minute to cook, okay? You don't need to, like, on the attack to this woman. She will be a problem. She will be a problem. Just give her a second.

19:56Ben Mandelker: But I think what's coming off is, like, Emily— First of all, Gina always has her early season, you know, irrational dust-up with someone that ends with her storming out of a coffee shop, leaving an almond croissant on the table. but also it's like she's trying really hard to be like oh my god season 20 we're gonna bring it watch all the drama and like this is like like why are you mad at carmella like you're you're whipping up a reason for yourself to get to get annoyed at her but it's i don't think it's landing for the audience we're like what the fuck is why are you so like uh why are you so bothered by this yeah just give her you know don't hurry hate it's like the beat yeah let it all be this is housewives yeah so um they're like oh do you think she's trying to buy your love and emily changes the subject to the lunch with vicky and tamra and shannon the makeup lunch and shannon's like oh well i just said i wanted peace let's move forward and you know here's the starting point all fresh uh none of this included me saying well well uh camera do you remember two weeks ago when you Killed me.

21:02Killed me emotionally by calling me an alcoholic. How dare you? How dare you?

21:06Ben Mandelker: I just wanted peace. And conveniently, they gave me a piece of flatbread. And I said, well, that works, too. So then Emily's like, wait, huh? Wait a second. Tamara's calling, guys. Okay, here comes Tamara. And Shannon's like, wait, are you serious? Like, Shannon, you've been doing this for like 12 years. You know that the producers have people call while people are shooting. So Tamara's like, hey, guys, I'm glad you guys are out together because I wanted to divide everyone over because, you know, you know what's going on? Shannon's like, oh, tacos, tacos and enchiladas, a lovely time for all involved, right?

21:41Well, let's hope they're fixing the potholes in their beach sand because I just fell down there.

21:47Ben Mandelker: Well, I hope they've installed some air filters because last time I checked, the toxins were a bit high down there.

21:57yeah everything's pretty bad in Puerto Vallarta right now it's like a war zone if Vicky doesn't even know when she's gonna get back to her house since we said someone you guys come over to make Vicky feel better but I'm not going to Mexico so she can continue her parades on getting a wall built this is my favorite excuse for having a

22:19Ben Mandelker: stupid party which is not like oh my god Vicky is stuck in Puerto Vallarta while the cartels are like blowing everything up because i remember that happened a few months ago obviously it was just a few months ago it was like crazy and it's not like oh my god did you hear vicky is stuck in part of vallarta we don't know when she's going to be able to get back and she's like an extreme danger it's like guys did you hear vicky is safe at sound in coda de casa and now if she wants to casually go down to puerto vallarta for some leisure time she can't i feel so bad for her let's have a party to celebrate celebrate some elements of the mexican culture that she won't be able to partake in this weekend.

22:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Okay. Do you know how many Mexicans she's not going to be able to offend this week? Poor Vicky. Poor, poor Vicky. I'm still wondering if those foot massage guys ever got paid. Fucking Vicky. What do you want me to do? I was stuck in America. They wouldn't let me back here. What if Vicky's just like El Chapo? She's like, low-key El Chapo and all that cartel activity was really because they were trying to find Vicky. It's all insurance related. It's State Farm. state farmers going at progressive going at each other but you know we're lucky that this didn't take place when that was happening because this is housewives and they will have stupid parties for anything and if it had happened during that time they would have been like oh my god let's have a cocktail party for vicky big cocktail problems right now cocktail party you know though when the cartels took up for puerto it was it was like literally crazy it was very scary and like the footage that was coming out of it was absolutely insane that being said i'm a little sad that it was not caught on bravo because like that would have been insane could you imagine vicky and shannon running through the streets of puerto vallarta while a cartel is like literally exploding the streets around them like that's up there that'd be up there with like glamis and really any gen shot.

24:21Ben Mandelker: I feel like we really missed out on something here. Well, give it time because you know, cartels don't think are going anywhere and Vicky is not going to leave Puerto Vallarta no matter what. She's actually upset. She's like, I'm going back. I'm going back. What's the deal? Cartel pilots. Give me a break. People complained about traffic in California. We still live here. It's a big deal. Cartels. come on stop being a whip so emily is so then shannon's like basically not she's being very reserved and away from the phone so they hang up and emily's like i love shannon and her boundaries her boundary is so tight she won't even get close on the face time i i could see it from here i i don't need to get any closer i mean the meeting was a step in the right direction but am i going to be filming tiktoks with tamra judge anytime soon no no no this is shannon's thing that she makes us sit through for like an entire season and a half every time she gets mad at one of the trace amigas which is like sure i i i enjoyed some beverages with them does it mean that we're best friends again no i'm keeping them at a healthy distance and she does this she makes this she reaffirms this point 50 times until finally she just gives in and just is friends with him again every single time.

25:38And then Tamara fucks her over again and calls her a stupid alcoholic who can't get a man. I mean, it's like every single time. Already they're fighting again in, you know, on socials. And Tamara's like, hey, oh yeah, well, Tamara went to the quiet woman with all these people and then she got mad at them when they didn't give her a free dinner. Yes. Oh, please. And then Shannon went on, I'm so sorry, John's podcast or radio show. It was someone's name. John Hill. I think it was John Hill. No, it wasn't John Hill. It was Jamie Kennedy. Yes, it was Jamie Kennedy. Yeah, I saw a clip of it, and she's like, well, that was a very bad decision of that restaurant.

26:17There were six Bravo people there. That is just bad business. They're not your personal caterer. Yeah. You nutcase, pay your bills.

26:25Ben Mandelker: But that being said, I do seem to remember when we went there, what, like eight years ago, that everything was massively overpriced and very mediocre. So I'm not so mad at the restaurant being shamed into giving a free meal out just because they overcharge everyone who goes in there. So just that. Yeah, but you know Shannon treats out like her personal kitchen. I know she does. She's like, I made you guys. She probably is very much like, I put you guys on the map and I will take you off the map. But she did say, by the way, she's like, I think I need to have a break from the restaurant. So guys, just so you know, Shannon will not be at the Quiet Woman anytime soon.

27:03let's see what restaurant Shannon tries to popularize next to get free meals. It's called sweet green. That's not my fucking salad.

27:14Ben Mandelker: Doesn't have the same. This is not my fucking gordita Taco Bell.

27:24Ben Mandelker: So Shannon is like, we're going in the right direction. Okay. So Gina is like, Shannon, I knew you were going to swing by. so i figured we could do tick tocks because i can because like you need to do more yes oh great everyone financial advice from gina so shannon's like well when i was at heathers i had an intervention the other day she goes whoa whoa what what an intervention oh no poor shannon not again well it was a social media intervention oh oh god i was hoping she would have the other kind again She's really poor Shannon. Yeah, I heard you fell in Mexico. Uh-oh. Hey, how many steps did you take before you fell into that 12th one?

28:04Am I right?

28:09Ben Mandelker: So Gina's like, yeah, you know, we see there was like this intervention with Heather. And she's like, you need to do more social media. You're leaving a lot of money on the table. so heather dubrow uh social media maven so gina is like yeah and that's why you're here because you need to do more tiktoks you come welcome welcome you are now face to face with the face of tiktok gina gershneider well until i met this group of women i had zero social media and i'm i'm just very low tech i i i like the telephone at the the rotary that my favorite song was when you would fall asleep and the TV would go do do do do do do.

28:55Oh God, I missed that. God, whatever happened to good old phonographs.

28:59Ben Mandelker: You know what my version of doom scrolling is? It's curling up on a sofa under a throw blanket and reading Out on a Limb by Shirley MacLaine. Now that, that is real social media. Well, this is going to be great. Don't you worry. We're going Let me get TikTok. And so now their wacky TikTok involves putting pantyhose over their heads. And Emily looks just like Heather Dubrow when she does it. And I don't think of Heather Dubrow as like a cat lady facial surgery type. I think whatever surgery she's had looks great. But when Emily does that with the pantyhose, like a bank robber, I was like, that's Heather.

29:38I thought in the preview it was Heather.

29:42Ben Mandelker: So apparently this was like a thing that people were doing. I'm looking at online and everyone looks crazy. They all look like they're being attacked in their home. But also, like, why is it hard to blow a candle out of just because you have pantyhose on? Is it just because you can't make that, like it pushes your lips back or something? This is. Is that what it is? You put pantyhose over your head and then you try to blow out a candle? Yeah. And let me tell you something. I will not be doing this anytime soon. Okay. This is not a challenge for Ben. Yeah. I think the last thing I posted was like two months ago.

30:18Whenever we did our cabaret, that's the last thing. I was like, come to the cabaret.

30:22Ben Mandelker: That social media challenge is just posting something on social media. That's like not. Like, look at this tartina I made. Yeah. So they start doing it. And then Gina's son comes home. It's like, mom. She's like, oh, hi. We were just doing something fun with friends. I can't even imagine growing up and seeing my parents doing something weird like this on their television. telephones. Like, I just can't imagine having to see something like that. Yeah, I'm glad my parents went out. You know, my parents went out and partied. I didn't have to see their stupidity at home. Unless they had parties at the house.

30:55And yeah, I got to see some of it then. But it didn't involve pantyhose over the head. So, you know, God bless them. I just feel like this works for richer people. But Gina doing it is kind of like raising Arizona. You know what I mean? It's more dangerous for her.

31:14she doesn't have the privilege to pull this off like they will

31:17Ben Mandelker: she could get shot gina's gonna get like i now have visions of gina being like forgotten on the top of a car and she's the baby

31:32so um let's go to the art of fitness gym oh geez all right are we gonna do our morning pages while we do some curls okay it's an art i don't get that but i like it i don't understand this are from uh the sark book uh the writer's journal didn't start write that book whoever wrote that or like a writer's journey or whatever and every day you have to get up and do your morning pages i just love that it was like a reference and then it was like followed

32:03Ben Mandelker: up right away with like a little shannon dismissal of the reference or something it was just like it was also quick and funny to me that i just started giggling the morning uh the writer's way is what the writer's way yeah okay well uh so now we have tamra and we meet up with fernanda fernanda the uh the torrid lesbian love affair of tamra's uh past that never came to be uh she was gonna be a friend of and they even had a photo of her but she never really quite got there but she's back our first lesbian almost housewife yeah fernanda she was yeah um but you know here we are our 20th season we're doing a uh a full on you know reunion tour so fernanda is here and tamra's like do you even age it out i'm that guy i swear to god and she's like yeah well i just turned 50 a few weeks ago so you look amazing by the way she's like i see you've been doing the uh the pantyhose challenge.

33:03What are you talking about?

33:05Ben Mandelker: Oh, that's your face now. Okay, good. Here, try to blow out this candle. It's going to be hilarious. I met Fernanda when I was married to Simon, and me and Fernanda would hang out together, and we might have shared a kiss together. Let's see a flashback of me wearing a stupid hat. I met Fernanda, and sometimes I can be this way for the cameras for fun. It's so funny. So fun. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves it when I do it. Remember, guys? Okay, Tamara. Fernandez my hall pass. I mean, I'm not opposed to it. Maybe I'll kiss a girl. So then Heather and Jen arrive, and they're going to do a butt workout of some kind.

33:52And Tamara's lamenting that Sophie is gone. And she's like, it's really hard not having anybody in the house. Oh my God. And Jen's like, yeah, well, I sat down with Grayson. And I said, you were speeding. And that's not good. I want to talk about this. And then he puts his head down. And he starts breathing funny. And he starts rubbing his hair. And things started coming out of it, like Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club. It's like a snowing scene. But there wasn't a little cabin in front of it for the snow on. I said, you really need to use conditioner, Grayson. Please. Please. And then we talked about being bullied and it just changed everything.

34:26It just changed everything. But I would like to thank the bullies. Thank you so much for paying attention to Grayson. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's really tough. Kids react to divorce at different stages in their life. Sophia didn't get bothered till high school.

34:40Ben Mandelker: And Jen's like, oh, yeah, I wish someone would just like tell you how to navigate this stuff, you know? And Heather's like, there is no roadmap. And not only is every situation, but every plate is different. Oh, I'm sorry. Are we talking about how to tell people to do your dishes? Oh, we're not. Oh, we're talking about children. Never mind. In my experience, every Alfredo is different. They might all have the same names. But the other day, one of them said, I'm working with Rake. And I said, how dare you? That's my neighbor. You are not supposed to speak to the neighbors. And he said, Rake, Rake.

35:15I said, get out of here, Alfredo. Bring an Alfredo.

35:19Ben Mandelker: I find that I have to be stern with mop Alfredo, but I have to be kind to window washer Alfredo. It's really an art. There's no roadmap. Now, I'll tell you who's really problematic. Dust by the Alfredo. My turn. My turn. Still me. So Jen's like, I just feel like a failure because this huge thing's been going on with my 17-year-old and I just didn't even know. Meanwhile, cut to last week and Ryan was like, he misses his dad. No, I don't think it could be that. I don't think it's that. Did he like, I don't know, did one of his favorite shows get canceled? What's going on with him? He misses his dad.

35:59Ben Mandelker: I just don't know how I didn't see it. So now they do a Brazilian booty class. And Fernanda says, okay, let's hit it for a minute. Tamara says, that's not my love life.

36:17Ben Mandelker: hey so uh heather how's your back she's like fine even though it has 10 different knives in the back of it ah that was a joke for social media anyway well i have noticed a change in in your social media heather because you know you do always leave me out of your tic tocs i mean you make tic tacs i could be in it but i'm not in your tic tacs that really hits my feelings because you don't put me in tic-tocs and stuff it's almost like you don't want me to be in your tic-tocs i mean you said at bravo con we're getting tic-tocs and we're getting tic-tocs and we did a tic-tac and didn't even post it it sounds so stupid and petty because it's like freaking tic-tac but it's just like knowing that i'm compartmentalized and in a box right now she is taking the box thing and she is running with it in the way that only tamra judge would It's so hot being in a box.

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40:00Tamara really, I mean, Tamara really does work. You know, she, she clocks in every single episode. She's like, okay, is this what we have to work with this season? Heather said, I'm going to be in a box and she won't put me in a TikTok. Great. Let's do it.

40:15Ben Mandelker: And that just shows what a pro like Tamara can do with very little compared to Gina trying so hard over there. Like, Tamara's like, okay. She really is like a great improviser. She's like, what's my line? They just give her some prompts. And she's like, got it. Oh, yeah, I'm going to stir love.

40:35Well, I don't know how you prove that you like someone. I think I've been really honest, loyal, and a good friend to you. But if you don't feel that way, I can't make you. You know, I'm not a love bomber. Okay? I'm just not a love bomber. The more time it goes on, I know we talked about it, the more I'm like inside my head about it. It's like my head is my own box now. I'm a box in a box because I do care about you. Wait a minute. You're inside your head about your friendship with Heather? No, Jen. She's thinking about the international economy.

41:12Ben Mandelker: She is concerned about why McDonald's never put onion rings on the menu. So Heather's like, what's crazy is Tamara's the first one to say how cringe all the TikToks are, but now you want to do them? Okay, you want cringe TikToks? Get ready, sister. Yeah, I think so, Heather, because you're like such a people pleaser. You just want everyone to like you unless you're like a waiter, a service person, or a maid, or, you know, anybody with like a real job or something like that. You really care what people think about you, people with money. You know, I get that about you, Heather. Yeah, you know what, Heather?

41:51Ben Mandelker: I think that it's like, you know, you don't like having problems, but when it comes back your way, it feels like you want to, like, keep your hand out, you know, of the cookie jar a little bit. She's like, I don't eat cookies. How dare you? I have never had my hand on a cookie. Even though my hands naturally form the perfect cookie pinchers, I never, ever eat cookies. I may gesture like I've got tongs on the end of my wrists, but I would never go into a cookie jar. How dare you? Still speaking. My turn. Still me. So Tamara's like, Heather could definitely turn it on and off around people. And she could not like someone and be so nice and sweet to the face.

42:34Ben Mandelker: They'd be like, I can't stand her. And to me, that's really fake. I think everybody's just getting tired of it. It's called being polite. It's called, oh, I'm in a party with someone I really can't stand. I will be pleasant to them just to get through the social interaction and save myself the grief of having to have a fight in public. Yes. And Tamara's pulling a Kyle Richards here where she's like, everybody says, everybody, all of us. Everybody feels that way. Right, everybody? Alfredo, Alfredo, Alfredo. Well, Tamara, before you go, we are going to make a TikTok. she's like no i don't want to just kidding can i be a tic tac come on i brought my other stockings so jen's like oh my god look at that she's what she's declining now oh my god so now we go to emily's house and um emily's daughter annabelle is getting ready for a cheer competition uh cheer is not a word i would say it's happening in the scene and then we and uh cheer for cheer yeah Something Emily is avoiding at all costs in her personal life.

43:37Cheer hair. She's like, cheer hair is no joke. Cheer hair is really no joke. My niece was in cheer. I feel like it should be illegal what the parents make the kids do for cheer. I mean, the hair, it's huge. It's like huge 80s pageant hair. Tons of makeup. Can these kids just be kids? What the hell are you doing to these children? Okay. And the moms are bigger hair. Bigger hair, the closer to Jesus. It's a terrifying environment. And you cheer moms in your cars right now listening to this who are like, Ronnie, you son of a gun. Say it. You know it's true. You all know it's true. This is nuts, and there should be a law against it.

44:18Ben Mandelker: It is nuts. So we go to Jen's house, and Jen's talking to Grayson, who's going to be working tonight. He apparently worked it in and out. And she's like, oh, my God. So I've got to come to the drive-thru. are you the guy that when I pull up and you're like hi welcome to In-N-Out can I take your order is that you he's like yeah she's like wow that's so like impressive she's like starstruck by her son I can't believe it I'm related to someone who's in the drive-thru window is this a new job or because Jen seems shocked every time she talks to one of her kids about anything going on in their lives she's like who are you are you upset right now wait you work at In-N-Out you do

44:59is that a door do you just work at a door so then um yeah she's gonna really stand up for herself as a parent right now because she's like well you know that tick uh that in and out money is going into your own account right okay good because i'm gonna make you pay for a little bit of that traffic are you fucking kidding me no you will be working at in and out until you pay me five times the amount of that traffic ticket and cover everything going on with your insurance raises and everything else you little fucker going 160 or whatever the hell he was going

45:29Ben Mandelker: yeah seriously and he's like oh yeah i'm not about that anymore sadly i'm like okay sure um so we go to shannon's house and she's on the phone with sophie her daughter and shannon's like sophie sophia what are you drinking what are you drinking she's like champagne oh and where are you is that is that your roof is that is that that's a really it's my roof oh okay well that's nice it's nice that you have a mom who helps you out a little bit with your rent. I guess just good old mom. Just sap her for all that she can give you and then just discard her off to the side. Just leave her in Orange County.

46:03Ben Mandelker: That's fine. Thanks mom. Cheers to that. She just like downs a giant hang up glass of wine. And then we go to Rose Canyon Cantina and Grill where Vicky and Michael. On the machine Rose. On the machine Rose Canyon and Cantina and Grill. And And Vicky and Michael are having a little lunch. And Michael is 40 now, which is wild. And I think it's crazy that little Michael is 40. It's literally crazy. I thought he was going to be like 32 now. But no. Yeah. Yeah. He's old. And he still low-key hates Vicky, which is really funny. He's taking a little bit lighter than usual. He's smiling and laughing more.

46:44But he's still clearly like, shut up. He's like, okay, tell me about your life in spade. Tell me about it. I really want to know. I really want to know. Is it supposed to be a tostada? Redo this tostada. This is not right. Okay, go ahead, Michael. I'm listening to you. Do you have insurance? You're going to need it. You're going to need it. What, are you trying to break my tooth?

47:05Ben Mandelker: Go ahead, Michael. Speak quietly. The cartels are listening. Okay. So he's like, yeah, I live in Spain now, and I like it because everything's open late, and you can eat until 2 in the morning, and clubs are open late. And Vicky tells us that Michael is now a world traveler, and he still works at Codo Insurance. Um, but, uh, he, uh, does it remotely and, um, you know, uh, so they have a good relationship, et cetera. And Vicky, we have like flashbacks of like Michael when he was a kid and everything. And Michael saying, my mom's insane. She's always so stressed out. She's going to have a heart attack pretty soon.

47:42He's like, uh, I like growing up here, but this area is kind of boring, but like, I guess it's good for families and stuff. It's like, it's not boring. It is not boring. Okay. When are we going to have children? Speaking of families, Michael, Michael, you're going to have a child, right? What are you going to do that? He's like, are we going to have children? Are we? Is that what you're saying? Come on, mom.

48:03Ben Mandelker: I mean, should we freeze your sperm? Because like when you get older, your sperm goes away. And he's like, I kind of like my selfish life. I mean, I couldn't even imagine my life without you and Brianna. And he's like, yeah, I haven't seen Brianna in eight years. And I think I met two of her kids. Yeah, I guess that's not good. Which is crazy At least 15 How many kids can survive On chicken liver alone Am I right mom I know That's crazy that he hasn't seen her for 8 years That's wild I mean I wouldn't go see her either I'm just going to infer There's an issue with Ryan there Because at the root of everything There's an issue with Ryan And Vicky says you know they talk you know brianna's in oklahoma and he's in spain and they talk all the time they facetime i'm like no eight years that's something's up there's an issue it's ryan your sister and you're not going there to like see the kids when they're born and stuff there's yeah there's something there's something not good here and his name is ryan there was a someone commented on instagram about this and he responded well you know i she could always come to california too but she won't come to California.

49:18And I did try to go see her a couple of holidays ago, and she said it wasn't a good time because of Ryan, because we don't get along. So it's Ryan. It's Ryan.

49:33Ben Mandelker: I hope Rihanna's okay, because I really think Ryan was a very scary character, and I just hope that she's okay in that marriage. You know, he came in hot and heavy. I think probably looking back at it, we're equipped now with more tools to sort of be armchair psychotherapists talking about narcissism. You know, love bombing is a thing now that people know about and are aware of. I wonder if we went back and watched that whole relationship, if we would see some similarities in terms of love bombing, etc. Like, would we have been, would we have jumped on that? I mean, we all knew at the time, like Ryan was bad news and we all feel like he was super mean and rude and has like is hostile.

50:18Ben Mandelker: But would we have like recognized with that whole eloping? Like they just sort of happened so quickly. Was there like love bombing involved? Because he's a piece of shit. Let's be honest. So I just hope Brianna is OK. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I remember having a fit when he at the finale party when he yelled at that woman's mother. Lydia's mom. It was Lydia's mom. R.I.P. yeah feet on the couch like screamed at her like who does that fucking yeah yeah um so then we get to um you know how vicky's like i mean you're 40 like then you know 40 years from now you're gonna be 80 and i'm gonna be dead and he's like well there's medical advancements you could be alive she's like well i want my life back it's like your life it's like yeah you brianna young out at Havasu Springs.

51:08Ben Mandelker: I want to turn back the clock. I think that was the best time of my life, Michael. And she says that one of her biggest regrets is Don getting divorced from Don because it broke the family apart. And it's just been really, it's been obviously really bad. And she feels guilty and sad and remorseful. And, you know, she says really now that she's older, she just wants to be around her kids. That's all she really wants. I actually thought this was a really good scene. It wasn't a dramatic scene, but it was like a very honest scene. And I think it kind of spoke about reaching a point in your life where you're starting to look back and you're starting to reflect on maybe some of the mistakes you've made or the regrets you have.

51:49Ben Mandelker: Because everyone likes to be like, I have no regrets. Because if I didn't do things this way, I would never be where I am right now. And I think it's like, you're allowed to have regrets in life. You're allowed to say, oh, I wish I had not done that. And I don't know. I thought as much as I just said at the top of this episode that Vicky has like been a little bit of a dud this season so far or i implied that i actually thought this was a good emotional scene oh just wading down the brooks that we've brooked

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55:29Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the Krispy Strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good. Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce. I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times. Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love. And that's how I'm going to go down.

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