#3486 RHOC S20E04 Part Two: Boxed Whine

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1:25Ben Mandelker: Watch what crappens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. So let's go to BLK. I'm assuming this is not the water. Jen meets Tamara for a drink. And she's like, oh my God, last year, I would have looked into a restaurant and seen Tamra there. And I would have said, nope, not going in there. But, you know, it feels like Tamra's growing so much.

2:02She's really changing so much. I'm shocked. I mean, first she was calling me a stalker. And this year she shows up in one of my exact same confessional looks, even with the hair. Have you seen that? The comparison of Tamra in that leopard print dress that she's wearing with her hair up like Ivana Trump? I did it. It's an exact look from Jen. It's an exact copy.

2:24Ben Mandelker: um so tamra's like i'm so excited to get to know caramela did your family really invent caramels that has nothing to do with it but um she has a lot of layers and like you know she's like a real girl's girl yeah does she know that vicky is like what did vicky say what did vicky call her and then we have a flashback of vicky saying i mean who names their daughter caramela in this age I somehow missed that comment from Vicky she just hates the name Carmella she just like, she hates your name to start she used the wrong word, red flags red flags, it's not a developer so John's like well, drink up, you know you're about to tell her so go ahead just drink that, cheers for that so Carmella's there, she's like hello, she's like so I went with Shannon and Emily to this cowgirl workout.

3:17Ben Mandelker: It's like a sex workout. It got really out of control. And we see flashbacks of Carmella sitting on Shannon and going back and forth, wacky times. And Tamara's like, I thought I've heard of baby fitness. Yeah, so I hadn't seen Emily since her birthday party and that whole gift situation. Oh yeah, I didn't hear about that. Yeah, I didn't hear about it. Yeah, she was like, thank you. And then we see a flashback. So Emily's not even going to wait for other people to be messy for her. She just jumps right in. She's like, okay, Gina didn't take care of this quickly enough. So she goes, thank you so much for the bag.

3:55That was really generous. And I thought it was beautiful. But I will tell you, Gina's been very vocal about it. God, Gina really hates you now because you gave me that bag. You should go attack Gina about it.

4:06Ben Mandelker: What the fuck? This is such a nasty move. If we were to believe everything that we see on the screen, she tells Gina about this at this TikTok moment and Gina's like oh my god that's like really weird that's crazy and then Emily goes and tells Carmella that Gina's been very vocal about it when yes Gina was like ew that's gross and we thought it was like so annoying that Gina's now going to try to start to have a fight about it but also it like Gina Emily going and immediately throwing Gina under the bus is like is wild and it also kind of reeks of the sort of feels like they kind of planned it in a way almost like oh my god i'll get mad but then you throw me under the bus and we'll see what happens they're just like let's get carmella nobody's doing this quickly enough let's jump on her you do it gina so um uh gina's like i need to know what was the motive what was like the motive of giving someone up hers that's great like what's going on in this woman's mind and carmella we go back to president and carmella's like to accuse me of having an ulterior motive?

5:09Ben Mandelker: That's gross. And Jen's like, but you do have to understand, Gina and Emily are like best friends. Yeah, that's me and Jen. That was funny, right, Jen? Jen's like, that was so funny. Thank you so much for that joke. I do feel welcomed by you. So maybe Gina felt protective of Emily in that moment. I don't know. Did you share a sweatshirt together? She's just territorial. You know, that Emily's my friend. Now you're giving her a bag. so what the fuck's that? And Carmella's like, well, I mean, I got I get protection, but it was a bold accusation, not even knowing me. I mean, just be happy for your friend that someone got her a Dior bag.

5:48How about that?

5:50Ben Mandelker: Do you buy all your friends gifts like that? And can we be friends? I do have a birthday coming up within the next year. Carmella's like, in our friend circle, we usually all go in on a designer item. Yeah, but I mean, that's like an expensive gift to somebody that you don't really know, bitch. it's like well um it wasn't like some crazy expensive bag it was like a clutch like what was it like ten thousand dollars it was like pretty easy it was wallet sized and um jen's like oh so you're saying that it wasn't really expensive for you but you know to some people oh yeah i also heard how much you paid for your rent too stupid pay so much a month spent$35 ,000 a month.

6:31Shannon told me that because we're best friends again. So, you dumb.

6:36Ben Mandelker: Who's in your big sweatshirt? I guess you have to go into Heather's. Good luck with that. So, Carmela's like, I've never had so much criticism about my own personal finances. It's beyond tacky. And by the way, if Carmela's saying something's tacky, wow. She's like, it's like, I mean, I don't go around checking what they paid for their houses. Yeah. It is kind of funny that on this show they're doing the opposite. They're rich shaming people. They do that on Orange County. They're just mad if you've got too much money. They do every season. Yeah. So Jen's like, oh, God, come on, you guys. I wish I could pay$35 ,000.

7:14Oh, no, Jen says that. She's like, I wish I could pay$35 ,000. And Carmela says, yeah, I mean, look, it feels irresponsible, but it is what it is. And I'm still doing sales up San Diego all the way up the coast. So I select clients, you know, I take only select clients who have very specific, gigantic farmhouse, modern homes with cement floors and tiny pool areas. And then I just do that, you know, and they're projects. They're projects I do. Wait a minute, explain to me a project like where Gina lives. What do you mean by that?

7:49Ben Mandelker: Carmela's like, yeah, I mean, essentially, I just don't like to call it a flip because it takes a certain level of finesse to be in a luxury space. And I really want to maintain that. And I want to produce a home for somebody that like, maybe it's like because like my own stuff is like so fucked up all the time. I just want to give somebody else something great, you know? And they're like, what are you talking about? Jeff? Jeff Garcia? Want to talk about that? She's like, yeah, because we were going to build a home to live in with our children forever. And then when I found out that children don't stay as children forever and they grow up, well, it devastated me.

8:22Ben Mandelker: And now I just want to make houses for other people so that way they too can have a forever home. I just do this for the children. The children everywhere. I flip homes for every baby out there who just wants better. It's like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah, and you know, like, he hurt me so bad when he cheated on me. And we bought this forever home. And so I was like, no, I'm not going to get this forever home. I'm going to make it great for some other child who desperately needs it. And then I sold it and I made up$1.4 million off of the home. She is very good at writing a hero story. Yeah. The way that she linked developing McMansions into somehow her trauma of being cheated on and her nuclear unit being destroyed is actually pretty brilliant.

9:18Ben Mandelker: Like, you can't make fun of my project. You can't make fun of my Tuscan-style home because this is for a child whose mommy and daddy live separately. yeah and she's like yeah well when i was growing up my mom was like it's easier to marry a doctor than a poor person but now i say it's easier to do it by yourselves and that's what i want to show my girls we just had to block the e channel but you know otherwise

9:48Ben Mandelker: so um jen is like wow you know uh like this is like really amazing and like you know the thing is with Carmella, she always tells me, I love a woman in a man's space, which I don't really understand, because I didn't know if that space belonged to men or women. I thought it was just for the aliens. Carmella's like, oh, yeah, I know, you're still having trouble with that. But, you know, it's like, you know what I love? White high heels in a dirty construction project. Am I right, guys? Am I right? With a G-string. G-string. It's very sexy. So we go to a house for sale, and Carmella is now meeting her client, Jack Bergman.

10:25to try and get the listing. And she's like, yeah, I'm with the Oppenheim Group, Selling Sunset. I know you guys are shocked that I'm a Selling Sunset gal, but I am. And I'm a real estate agent, a broker. I have a special focus in development, and I've sold almost$100 million in the last 10 years.

10:47Ben Mandelker: And so now we see her walking through the house, and she's like, what's the total square footage? Just over eight, right? Is there a pile of dirt I can wear these high heels in? I love being in a man's space and she's talking about like oh this primary oh this is very nice okay wow look at the okay ooh look at those features six bedrooms oh this is immaculate real estate real estate am I right so they sit down and talk about it and she's like yeah Jack just did a complete reno took the property down to the studs so I'm just like hoping to get a listing agreement so I can list this home so she's very like look at me I've got poster boards Here's what I don't want to do.

11:26I don't want to overprice your house. I want to underprice it. Okay. That's right. I will take the listing. Thank you very much. She's like, what? You want to make me less money than everybody else? You've got it.

11:38Ben Mandelker: Well, she also was like, I've got this revolutionary idea. We're not going to put it on the market at$9 million. We'll put it on at$8.99. And let me tell you something. This is going to change the way people ever do business. It's like, wow, you learned the 99 rule. of pricing things but to be fair it's a dollar tree and be like wow that really could have worked had you taken off a cent i know and i just i do have to say like i again i feel bad punching down on gina but it is funny watching carmella is going through this huge beautiful mansion and going through all the specs and if you contrast that contrast that with gina last year and she was in that like one bedroom retirement community home and it's like she's like an open house and these elderly couples were coming in she's like so over there is your bedroom and over here is the dishwasher I can stand in the same place and point them both out and the Gina's on here being you know trying to take down this woman like she's like not even a real real estate person and I just think it's so funny she knows real estate words so good for her.

12:51Meanwhile, this lady's working for the Oppenheim Group selling$9 million homes. Gina's like, this home comes with a walker if you need a walker. You just have to sign it out every day at the community office.

13:04Ben Mandelker: Carmella selling homes with infinity pools and Gina selling them with infinity mold. But obviously there's no difference. Real estate is real estate and whether you're selling a one bedroom or a$9 million it's all legit. There's obviously no shame in the game. I just think it's funny that Gina is so huffy about Carmella and it's like, I think Carmella is legit doing what she's doing. Well, it's easier to point it out with Gina and not feel guilty because Gina's the one doing the shaming. What the fuck are you talking about? While this lady's showing a$9 million house. LOL. So let's go over to Captain Dave's dolphin and whale safari.

13:47Ben Mandelker: Which I would like to go on this, by the way. I was really upset that I was in Laguna Beach last weekend. I didn't know that I could go whale watching. I love whale watching. I want to do it. Admittedly, I've only done it once in my life and I was about five years old. But I loved it. It stayed with me all these years. I went and I took my nieces and my sister. It was fun. Down there in Orange County? Or just off the coast? Do you see anything? You can go down and catch a boat in Santa Monica or something. Venice. Somewhere like that. Uh, so they go whale watching. Um, Vicky's being wacky. She's like, did you bring a barf back?

14:28No, but is there a party on this? I just don't know when I'm going to have to go. It could be now. It could be later. It could be five minutes from now. I just don't know. I could shoot at any time. Oh, Jesus. So Heather walks up overdressed, of course, and they're giving her shit. She's like, what? I've got rubber shoes on. Look at these. They're from Louis Vuitton.

14:48Ben Mandelker: and because i mean so do we but we don't look like that she's like okay well look they're rubber for the boat okay because look i can be fun sir is there a second floor to this whale watching boat where's the caviar service what time thank you are we going to squeeze the whales until fresh caviar comes out is that i have a question when do we go downstairs for our massages before the whales are after them. I've got whale Alfredo here to just squeeze the eggs out of the whales. Do we think those whales would make good moppers in a kitchen? Here comes one right now. This episode is supported by FX's The Shards, a seductive drama from executive producer Ryan Murphy.

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17:02We love to see it.

17:06My shoes are rubber and your glue, whatever you say bounces off my Louis Vuitton shoes and sticks to you. Still speaking.

17:17Ben Mandelker: Still me. Still rubber. Still rubber shoes. So then Shannon, she comes wandering up, sauntering up to this boat. And by the way, if you're listening and you're like, wow, Ben suddenly sounds different. It's because Spectrum just had their like umpteenth outage. And I had to now rejigger some sort of recording setup. So sorry if I sound a little different and airier, but that's what's going on here. I have a whole new background on video. It's like the magic of Hollywood. I'm basically recording this. That's how we roll on Fridays. Everything goes to shit. We're like, oh, we're almost done. No, you're not.

17:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we were supposed to be done a long time ago, and I'm tethering this through my cell phone. My cell phone's cell data. So who knows what my connection should be. So thank you for your patience, everyone. But here's one thing that we can rely on. Shannon walking up to the whale watching in all white. Here I am, ready for action. So, look at that, Shannon. You've got an anchor pants. And she's wearing the pants that she saw in that tacky-ass store last week. Remember, she walked up to those pants. I was like, oh, it's anchors. I grew up on a boat. My family has boats. Is that John Jansen's son?

18:32Ben Mandelker: That's a good catch, Ronnie. so Vicky is patting herself on the shoulder because she's brought the Trace Amigas back together and she's like this is great because now we can go whale watching and they can't leave the table they can't get mad at anybody and we're not going to go overboard I'm like you still could go overboard that is not off the table just yet yeah people who are getting a long go overboard and people who are not getting a long go overboard everybody can go overboard you know safety at sea that's what's important So this is going to be a bonding thing Okay, so they squeeze together on this little boat And Tamara's like Hey Shannon, thanks so much for your text last night I wasn't even thinking about decorating for the party I'm going to have But sure, you can come over and help me with that You're just so good at it And Shannon's like Well, me trying to help Tamara Decorating does not mean we're besties I'll tell you that right now It's not like me saying Whoa, come back here and torture me again Put me through trauma, Tamara It's just saying that I have some tortilla warmers, and I will be glad to set them up.

19:37Ben Mandelker: It's not like I have my taco party decorations in a bin just waiting for you to call me. I can do it. I can bring taco decorations. It's not like I tried to throw a taco party two years ago, and you guys all ruined it or anything like that. I've been waiting for a redux. No, I could just throw something together real quickly, real casually. I've just been waiting for this moment for two years. No, this is not Easter. It's a bunny in a poncho It's a Mexican party Hey guys So I

20:11Ben Mandelker: So they're asking about Carmel Heather's like is Carmela Coming to the party And Shannon's like well I went shopping with her And she said she was Playboy Playmate of the Year Wow and if I didn't Need some allies this season I would be horrified and be trying to push her out of the group already. Oh, really? She got naked for Buddy? Oh, wow, wow. Am I supposed to be impressed? No, I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed. Disgusting, disgusting behavior. Get a job. Get a job. Absolutely. Heather's like, you can't say that. Don't say that, okay? Miss Goody Two-Shoes Pants, she got naked for Buddy. There, I said it.

20:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so we have a flashback of all the times when Vicky has been really bad to new girls. She's being to Carmella and Tam is like, I think you should be nicer. I'm going to catch you with a lie. I swear to God, I really will. So then they see a whale and then Vicky is like, she's just being goofy and she's like, I want to see the whales. She blows. Sounds like Carmella.

21:23She's really an asshole, Vicky. I'm surprised. They must have had trouble in the editing room being like, okay, should we pick a Vicky being mean to new people or a Vicky sex-shaming women montage? Which should we go for? Because we've got about half an hour worth of clips for each situation. Which one?

21:44Ben Mandelker: Seriously. So now we go to Tamara's house For Puerto Vallarta To celebrate the weekend That Vicky could be having if the cartels Were not destroying the streets So Shannon comes in with her bin Of decorations and she's like Well this is a heavy bin It's a heavy bin of streamers Goodness gracious I'm having a hard time Getting to the door these streamers are so heavy Whoa It is so nice to see you Shannon here helping me. We've been friends for so long. Up to dance. She's now calling. Crashing into things on the street. Whatever. You know, we're still friends. It's just been like all the time. It's been the days.

22:28Ben Mandelker: So, Tamra, Shannon sees all these, like, white boxes lined up and Tamra says it's going to be called a, it's a game they're going to play later called Friend in a Box. So, Shannon's like, well, it sounds like a prescription for a fight. And then, and then Gina is like, wow, because Gina weighs in on all this because she shows up. She's like, oh my god, you're here early, Shannon. This is crazy. I'm shocked that the boundary woman, Shannon, was actually coming early to help Tamara set up the party because maybe this is hope that they can just put the pants behind them. It's either that or Shannon just loves to host the party.

23:04Ben Mandelker: So this is the first inklings of Gina's standard storyline where she says, I mean, you said that you were having having, like, boundaries with Tamara, and the next thing you know, you don't have it, that you guys are best friends again, and, like, which one is it? I just feel like you're being fake, Shannon. Yeah. So everybody else arrives, and Vicky comes in last, and they're like, why are you late? She's like, you said six! I'm 15 minutes early. Is anybody else tired? I just, I can't. Like, there's, like, an energy. It's an energy going around the world right now. Well, Mercury isn't retrograde.

23:39I couldn't even get the Bluetooth chandelier to come down today. Very, very difficult.

23:45Ben Mandelker: So then they all go outside to eat some tacos, and Heather's like, is there any little less done steak? Also, is there any steak that's in the form of sushi that is actually from Nobu that was brought over because I don't want to eat this garbage being cooked on a garbage can top? Do you have pickles? These are the only things I want to be seen eating on camera Do you understand? I'm wild and I am wacky Look at me, eating street beef Here at this party Just me, casual Heather Dubrow Eating the beef of Nanobu Wow, look, I'm a woman of the world No-boof That's what we call this. No booths. Sorry, go ahead.

24:37Ben Mandelker: We have a little delay. Oh, we have a delay? Sorry. I didn't realize. You sound like you're perfectly on time for me. Something else I can blame Spectrum for. Yeah. You're like, well, just a normal amount of cutting off to me over here, Ronnie. Thanks. So where's Carmella today? And Carmella is not here. Gina's like, I think she's in Sanofi with her family. And Shanna says, New Mexico? She's like, I'm Randall's Anna Faye, Shanna Okay Oh, I was going to ask her to bring me back A Native American wedding jug But that's okay, she's fine She's okay That's right, because she doesn't even live here She just rents a place to film here So she could be on TV With her selling her nakedness for money Okay, that's the truth, everybody And Heather's like, oh, come on She works for the Oppenheim Group Oh, really?

25:31because you told me that Carmela doesn't even do real estate, Gina. She's like, well, how she referred to herself when she was speaking to me was I'm a developer. That's what she told me.

25:41Ben Mandelker: I was like, and? Oh, really? Like, really? Oh, yeah. You know what? Mike's a developer. Okay, he buys land and he builds property. She's an administrative assistant at the front desk. Carmela's saying she's a developer. My question is, what has she developed? Okay, you buy a house, you renovate it, you sell it. She's a house developer. That's not a developer. But isn't that different from being a receptionist? at the front desk and also what's wrong with that yeah you're you're disgusting lady who sold cancer pills to people made out of vitamins okay um so gina's like you you hung out with them together jen and tamra together and heather's like i mean jen kept talking about mine and tamra's relationship over and over i mean we just kept going there right jen i think we're past it now.

26:25Right, Jen. Zip it. Zip it, Jen.

26:31Ben Mandelker: We are not going to litigate this for everyone. So then outside, Emily is talking to Tamara and she's like, so where are you with Heather right now? Is everything good with Heather? Because if it is, I'd like to destroy it. She's like, oh yeah. Did she text you after the booty class? And Jen's like, no, no, she didn't text me. Why? What's going on? She goes, oh, because I know she's a little upset with you. She feels like you're too invested in our friendship maybe yeah she said she thinks you're obsessed with her just this shit starting is so funny they're just like all right let's just sit around on this white couch and just throw things at the wall until somebody gets mad uh and uh we see a clip of this conversation and heather's like well i never thought that jen was obsessed with tamra But honestly, she brings her up so much Now I'm starting to go Are you?

27:24Ben Mandelker: Right It seems like it was like half tongue-in-cheek But half like Maybe there's something to this So Jen's like, you know what? Don't fucking come to my house and sit on my couch And tell me how you've never had a buddy And I care about you And you tell me you really feel about this woman And then she turns it on me and says I'm obsessed with her No, I just want to fucking know who you are Jen, Heather did not turn it on you you're the one who turned it on Heather. You guys are going to be buddy-buddy, and one of the blood packs you were going to take was that you're going to bitch about Tamara behind her back.

27:57Ben Mandelker: It was going to be a safe space to vent about this woman that you have to film with who makes your lives hell. And the first thing you do is you go to Tamara and say, oh, Heather thinks this about you, and you destroy that pact. And Heather's like, well, fuck this person. And you know what? She's clearly obsessed with Tamara. I'm going to go for that. And now Jen's going to be like, oh, wow, don't complain to me that you don't have a friend. You're the one who destroyed the friendship first. Yep, pretty much. And now she's going to get all offended that Heather said this. Do you not remember your storyline last year was about being obsessed with Tamara?

28:29So it's a callback. Hey, you can't get mad at somebody for a callback. So then they go inside. Because now we've got people riled up so we can have some good old housewives fighting. So they're like, okay, we did our warm-ups, everybody. So they go inside and Tamara's, everybody's just sitting there on that couch in this brightly lit room. It's just not very party-like in there. So Tamara doesn't even try. She's like, okay, let's play game and yell at each other.

28:59Ben Mandelker: I recently found out I was put in a box. And so now we're going to have an unboxing party so we know exactly where everybody stands, bitch. Oh, this feels very personal. I get it. I get it. She didn't even change the name of the game to try and pretend like this wasn't a shot at Heather. Like, the game should have just been called Fuck You, Heather. So first they decorate. Yeah, let's decorate some boxes, and then we're going to anonymously say, you're a stupid bitch. And then you have to guess, who said I'm a stupid fat bitch? Yeah. It's going to be so funny, you guys. I love the idea of sitting around and bedazzling and decorating your boxes.

29:42Ben Mandelker: like this is a sweet arts and crafts night only to use those boxes to weaponize rage and grievances against everyone else.

29:52Why can't we just play like Yachty or Hopscotch or pin the tail on the slut? Something that doesn't put friends in a box. I'm going to get my feelings hurt. I just know that's going to happen. This could be going south. And Heather's like, have we just met? I always get my feelings hurt.

30:12Ben Mandelker: It's the plight of me, television's Heather Dubrow. So now they're still joking about their boxes and everything. And now I think it's time for them to start playing their box game. So, Shannon, so Tamara is, she says, the friend that I love to, she's like, I can't even read this. I can't even read this note that's been in my box. I'm in a box about the friend that I love. What is this? Deeply. The friend that I love deeply. Do you need me to read it to you? So she's like, yes, I actually kind of do. She's like, okay. The friend that I love deeply, but never want to have on my social media box.

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33:26She hurts and it cuts me very deeply, deeply. I'm using deeply a lot. Okay. And Tamara's like, yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, I don't disagree with anybody because I'm just listening to what everybody has to say. That's the new Tamara. I'm just here to listen to everybody. And everybody's like, this is weird that Tamara's refusing to be triggered. It's Tamara's game. She's doing this to trigger you guys and make you guys yell.

33:52Ben Mandelker: She's mentally prepared to take some shots. That's why she's going first. Because it's easier when you go first. When you go last in the order, everyone's so riled up at that point that everything sets them off. So now it's Gina's turn And so she's She's like, let's see what boxes Everyone puts me into Oh my god, it says The Boss Babe Box Who put Gina in the Boss Babe Box? That was me, Gina You're such a boss babe, Gina You get in your car and you go to a little shop And everything, this is so cute Yeah, and I'm like a survival And a role model for kids And like people laugh with me And when we disagree, it's going to be, oh, my God, I got a good box.

34:34I got a good box, guys. So now Emily's like, okay, analyzer. I'm an analyzer. I wrote that. It's supposed to be analyzer. Get it. TikTok loved it.

34:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Hard on the outside. Soft in the middle. I would agree with that box. That was me, bitch. Okay. Interrogator box. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. These are lovely. and then Vicky is like okay mine says the hustler boss babe ready to whoop it up don't fall asleep box okay well okay we'll see about that and then she's like oh my god what's this one oh I'm not even gonna say it I won't even say it I won't even say this box this is a stupid box I won't be in this box I refuse to be in this box I won't say it it's a stupid thing to say about me how could anybody say this kind of thing about me it was me jeez you haven't even read it I'll tell you it was me okay jeez I'm not a Debbie Downer I'm just I'm a positive bitch because it said the Debbie the Debbie Downer box and Emily's like well I just feel like every time you know you know I'm around you you're very Debbie Downer which is funny coming from Emily truly God don't throw hooves when you live in an Eeyore house I mean Jesus Christ and Vicky's like that's rude that's really rude what's the point is to be honest right you guys I have so much going on I'm trying everything I can to get it done without surgery.

35:59Okay, I'm in pain. But fun Vicky will be back. And in her confessional, she's like, I'm not a Debbie Downer. I take offense to that. I've got very different facets of who I am. I'm also a sex shamer and, you know, all sorts of things. Internal misogynist. You know, there's lots of labels. Why is it so cold in here? Could you turn off the heat? It's freezing in here. Is that being negative? Sorry, not being negative. It's very cold.

36:27Ben Mandelker: okay girlfriends now it's time for me to see what box i am in okay social bestie oh that's that's adorable and tamra's like that was for me it's like oh yes social bestie i thought it was gonna say uh future employer and here is a mop for you tamra so get to work she's like what yeah okay so i'm just i'm just your social bestie yeah well yeah it's because when we're good we're good but then you talk to other people. And like, after talking to Jen over there, I'm just so confused. I mean, I can't believe you said that to Jen. Come on, Dan. Tamara is so clearly just trying to start shit and Heather falls for it.

37:06Come on. And she's like, wait a minute. Listen, we talk, I say what's true and that's it. I say it to people's face. Why do you just keep bringing her up, Jen? You know, every time we're together, you bring up Tamara. She's like, what do you mean by that? I mean, you're trying to have a conversation with me about life and I'm like, I've got to talk to you about Tamara, because what I understand is you fucking doubled down and said that I'm obsessed with Tamara. How dare you?

37:31Ben Mandelker: No, no. What I said was, and Jen's like, Emily, Emily just told me that you said that I'm obsessed. Let me answer it. My turn. Still me. Okay, let me say what I said was, because we're all, every time we're together, jaw is jutting outwards to accentuate this point. I feel like you always are talking about Tamra, bringing her up. Now I'm starting to think that maybe you are. That's what I said. That is my context. I'm sorry. Is this Groundhog's Day? Jen saw her shadow, so it's what? Six more weeks of talking about Tamra? Hmm. Nailed it. Thank you, Alfredo. Well, what is odd is, you know, we leave work out.

38:21Ben Mandelker: we leave our work out. We give each other a kiss-kiss, love you, bye. She tells me you were upset. I'm like, she's upset. Why is she upset? You're not even calling me and giving me the decent conversation of Jen. I was irritated with you. You're telling Emily that you think I'm obsessed with her, but you're not telling me that. And Heather's like, I didn't say you're obsessed with Tamara. I mean, that's stretching it. And I understand what you're saying. So therefore, by me saying I understand what you're saying, but then not asking for anything more than that, that just sort of brings this conversation to a halt, doesn't it, Jen?

38:57Ben Mandelker: No, you used the word obsessed. I'm pretty sure you did. It's like, okay, I used the word. Let me finish, Heather. I'm talking, and I don't have a voice. Wait, I'm not done. Let me talk. My turn. You've been talking all night. No, I'm not. You keep answering for all these fucking cards, so let me do it. She's like, all I've heard tonight is you talking, and you've talked a lot. Oh, that's me. Sorry. Oh, that's rich. Oh, that's the opposite of Gina. Well, it's just very hard, Heather, when you say a comment to Emily about Jen being obsessed. And I don't know if you remember last year, but that is something Tamara said about Jen.

39:40Yeah, that's the joke. last year the storyline was that she was obsessed that's why she said it and heather's face is so funny because she's just dealing with idiots but also you just totally got baited into this and you and jen are both just doing what tamra wants and i love whenever they cut to tamra she's like

40:01Ben Mandelker: great time yeah you know all those years of tamra calling me this telling me i'm obsessed It's crazy that Heather used it against me. She knows how hurtful that was. It's like, how dare you? She's like, well, I am sorry that I used that word. Anyway, hope we're good. Just like, it's done. Heather, no. Okay. I don't want to step into this space anymore with you. You know, we're different. As somebody who felt like we were moving into a very close friendship and there was deep feelings that you were sharing, I opened my mouth and that is not the place to do that and i have it noted got it okay we're done with this this was fun blink you just bounced off my rubber shoe so enjoy that but i just like there's so many boxes and now i'm putting heather in the i'm just confused as fuck box so thank you for that heather okay we're gonna continue with the game.

40:56Okay? This is very awkward. Okay? So, I think you're a hype girl. Okay? I think that you hype... Oh, because they're saying you're the hype girl. I don't know. The next clue is hype girl. Like, who is this? And, um, now, Vicky's like, well, I'm the Debbie Dowder, so nice to meet you, hype girl. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she can help you. This is Jen's box, by the way. So Jen's like, and understanding and kind. Thank you. Your son drives too fast. Okay, thank you. That was me. That was me. That was me Okay, here's one that says, but at least he has a job That was also me And at least he keeps his clothes on, unlike that new sled on this show Yeah, that was also me This is actually a really fun game

41:38Ben Mandelker: Oh wait, here's one more that says I'm in the Wish I Were Tamra box That was for me That was for me, I'm sorry again I should not have said that So Shanna's like, well, guess what The Duchess of Orange County is going to open her box And Heather's like, she really likes that title Really does Really likes it Okay Well, I am in the healthy boundary box Oh, Tamara, did you give that one to me? No, I didn't do that Okay, well, I'm a work in progress Okay, that's nice Who wrote that one? Me, I wrote that one You're a work in progress Okay, well, thank you I'm not sure when the compliments start coming But so far, so good Okay?

42:24Kind, but holds grudges. Who said that? Who said that? Oh, wait, yeah, that was me. Sorry, I'm just saying, like, as you know, you say you want to move forward with me, but it's like you just can't even move forward. Why can't you just waste a method of causing a stupid alcoholic that can't keep a man and doesn't have any money? Like, just get over it. I just don't get it.

42:46Ben Mandelker: Tamara Judge, we are trying to move forward And for you to say that I hold on to grudges That is just so immature of you It just reminds me of 10 years ago When you said the exact same thing to me And I had to remind you that I do not hold grudges whatsoever And furthermore, the first time I even came into this group You were so cold and so callous to me And I still answered your phone call And here you are saying that I hold grudges And let's not forget in 2018 When we went to Trader Joe's together And I said, I wonder if we'll meet Mr. Joe and then you said, that's not a funny joke. And I said, I think it is quite a funny joke.

43:17Ben Mandelker: And then people, people, we got into such a big argument, they closed down the free sample at Trader Joe's. You think I forgot about that. So how dare you say I don't have brushes? That was so funny. Yeah, I remember all those times. And it just makes me cry. Because I remember so many good times with Shannon. And maybe the other day when he called me and said, I got a tortilla warmer with a bunny on it. And I said, you can come over and have you set up. It just made me cry. Made me cry to remember all the good times with you, Shannon. I would just like to say thank you, Tamara Judge, for a very enlightening evening.

43:49Ben Mandelker: I feel like your apology is sincere, and I want to thank you for transporting me to the cartel-destroyed streets of Puerto Vallarta just for one beautiful night. Thank you, Tamara. Well, I just want to say thank you for a very enlightening tea evening, Tamara. What a good time. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Doug. Great best friend. Oh my gosh, you did so fun. It just ends with Vicky going, I'm not a tippy-downer! So that's where it all leaves off. Well, thanks everyone for being here. Yeah, we did it. We're in the, this episode is over box, and I think Spectrum is in the soon-to-be-cancelled box.

44:33Ben Mandelker: I'm going to be looking for a new internet provider. This is like the third time this happened when we're podcasting, and it's like, we're done. So thanks everyone. and we will be back. Have a great weekend and we will be back on Monday for a whole new fresh week of podcasting. Bye everyone. We'll see you next time everybody. Bye!

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