#3490 Next Gen NYC S2E06: Con Games

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1:47Ronnie Karam: well hello and welcome to watch what crappens i'm ronnie and that has been hello Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. It's a good day because it's Next Gen NYC Day Season 2 Episode 7. Talk to my agent. And we're on it. So we're like really on this show today.

2:11Ben Mandelker: Big star turn. Huge. Ronnie got to say something along the lines of, we're going to be moderating at BravoCon. And then I got to say something like this. and that was me on the side of a building and then uh but the real star the real star i mean it was cool that we had a moment we finally got to be splashed up on one of those buildings as as as we always hoped and dreamed but the big star i think has to go you know lars over at sexy unique podcast laura and carrie were also on buildings but laura got like i mean she she was on like literally every surface of next gen new york see it at one moment it was just like she started talking and then it was like she's on the side of a building and on the side of a wall then in a vanity mirror then like on a car or like in a lamp whatever they just projected lara all over the set as she is in our lives that's how it is when i'm driving down the

3:05Ronnie Karam: street i just see lars yeah i see it's like i'm passing a whataburger it's just a big picture of lars looking back on me like you should eat those french fries just deservedly so so um you know

3:18Ben Mandelker: We gotta love it.

3:19Ronnie Karam: Not only that, Ben, but she made a psychic prediction on the show, which was pretty good. She's like, basically, this opens the door for Ariana to bang Charlie Zaccor, which looks like it's gonna happen. So, you know, shout out to our psychic friend, Lars. Psychic Friends Network. I was really excited for my line because this is what mine sounded like.

3:50Ronnie Karam: It's like, it's me It's my gay voice right there

3:54Ben Mandelker: It's like I'm wondering if they're going to show anything from our panel Next week I don't know That'll be exciting I don't even remember my show that

4:09Ronnie Karam: I black a lot of it out

4:11Ben Mandelker: What I remember is Accidentally shading Georgia Out of nowhere I remember that, I think I've mentioned this on the podcast before about how I told, I turned to Riley and I had to ask a question that was like, so you didn't really believe in George's club idea. And then I just interjected and I go, and like, it was a terrible idea. I think we both agree with that. I was totally on your side, but it was a bad idea. And then afterwards, when I was walking up the stage, I turned to George and I said, I'm sorry, I just shaded you out of nowhere. She goes, you did, you did actually. I said, I don't know what that was about.

4:50Ronnie Karam: Well, that was a good time, as we will have today, NextGenNYC. If you want this on video, it's at patreon.com, along with ad-free listening and bonus episodes. So go check that stuff out, and thanks for being here as usual. It's funny because I remember at that day, we were thinking, why is everybody kind of anti-shy? I don't remember if they said anything that was anti-Shy or if it was just an attitude that nobody liked Shy but I remember we were talking about what did Shy do? What could Shy possibly have done to piss everybody off? And now we're at this part in the season and I still really don't see why they hate Shy so much.

5:34Ben Mandelker: I love Shy. I think Shy is great. And this is the famous last words. I'm actually a little surprised, Ronnie that you haven't weighed in with a oh you just wait i think that he's a douchebag like i feel like like i'm waiting for that ball to drop i think shy seems great i i think it seems sweet yeah i feel like he like pays attention he's focused i think he's like tries to do the right thing um i really like shy so much obviously i love the show oh sorry obviously his you know

6:06Ronnie Karam: The obvious things that he's done that have pissed people off are going to Hudson and being like, oh, my God, Ariana. Ariana is probably going to hook up with this other new guy, this new cheese ball that's on the show. Yeah, that was shitty. And now it's like, okay, well, he only did that because he was trying to block both of those things because he liked Ariana himself. so i guess there's some you know i see i see like little annoyances but for everybody to just be like ew shy yeah i don't like shy i'm not gonna do his i'm not gonna help him out with instagram modeling i'm too busy and yeah fuck shy i'm thinking about myself before shy let's think that's shitty like if that if anybody else was on bravo you know anybody else that happened to on bravo people would be standing up for them and i don't know shy hasn't really done anything that

6:59Ben Mandelker: bad i don't get it justice for shy i like his i like the stuff that he's sewing also another thing in retrospect when we did the panel they put amira all the way off to the side and actually she's been very central this season i think season one she was a little bit more ancillary and brooks was very central but like this season i feel like i feel like amira has been front and center i think she's been she's taken over brooks's role she's actually almost become our narrator our central character so it is kind of funny that in the panel she was all the way off to the side and also i think i think gia was directly to my right who was directly to your or was it georgia who was directly to my right i think george i don't know but either way amira should have like seeing how this season has been unfolding amira should have been a little more center on the stage where we were.

7:49Ben Mandelker: Ha ha. Close to the stars.

7:53Ronnie Karam: All right. So we start with the headlines. Oh my God. What's next with Next Gen NYC? The New York Times even wants to, everybody wants to know. The whole cast is coming to BravoCon. And then we see Shy on the train with sitting next to an older lady. And she's like, who's filming you? He said it's a reality show. And she says, I don't know what reality is referring.

8:21Ben Mandelker: join the club that the shy just sits there and has a conversation with this sweet older lady is great so he says that basically he got fired from his corporate art job um because he's on reality tv please tell me that his corporate art job was working for that same douchebag who ran the gallery on gallery girls oh that'd be perfect eli what's his face and then um uh then we see some more like crazy people on the sides of buildings and it's us the crazy people are us it's ben and ronnie on the sides of buildings um i mean uh real moment i was gonna say here's a surreal moment in our notes where the note is ronnie colon this weekend at bravo con we are moderating the next gen new york city panel there you are ronnie you made it into our notes as a

9:09Ronnie Karam: character on the show so shy's like yeah bravo con's coming up i'm like whatever the hell that is like watching reality tv i like i grew up watching survivor and my grandma was like you know that's fake right but then i'm in it and i'm like like and that's not fake i'm like literally

9:26Ben Mandelker: hungry uh he's like it's a real show um it's kind of funny because this entire episode is about going bravo con is kind of meta and so uh shy is still not getting phone calls back and then brooks he's like brooks and eva are just like not responding to me about the photo shoot at all and like then on top of that like i don't think ariana and liam are very happy with me and like i was supporting hudson ups and then like upset at ariana and the next thing you know like hudson's eating like zach speeds on his private jet so he's basically like hudson's supposed to have my back at this

10:01Ronnie Karam: thing and he's not even going to be there yeah hudson's not your real friend he's some he's some billionaire and he has he is super insufferable with all those instagram posts like yeah yeah yeah it's like for a coat to the grab that money baby like his big diamonds everywhere congrats your daddy is rich so now um we see previews of the bravo con and ariana is nervous and Meredith's like, oh, come on, a true Bravo lover, they never thanks.

10:37Ben Mandelker: And Brooks and Amira are talking. They're telling us that they're up for a Bravo this year and Amira's like, yeah, we're up for like Rookie of the Year. He's like, oh my god, we won? She's like, no, we're nominated our whole show. Like, I'm so shook. It's crazy.

10:55Ronnie Karam: It's funny that they're going on the Oscar tours. you know they're like oh my god it's like we've been nominated for not you were nominated for a bravo show at a bravo show right like a bravo award at a bravo show you know what i mean it's like your boss is calm down you could win an award and then we see gia she's waiting for a subway and

11:14Ben Mandelker: there's a headline saying how um teresa was on jeff lewis and was and was like teasing like a reunion and everything um with melissa and joe like oh they're gonna reconnect it's like all the hype going to bravo con and then uh eva eva trips on camera and she's like embarrassing guys what's going on and she's like not doing well after the breakup with hook i mean r.i.p hook of a or is that ava avook ava r.i.p i think it's i think it's hook of a and um there's you know what she's not gonna stay in her at that penthouse she is going to move out it's their couple name that i invented hook eva oh or actually could be huava huava it sounds like a british person saying whoever huava evook right evook evook evook okay our candidates are evook huava and hook of a like and subscribe and leave a comment on which one's your favorite either way r.i.p to all those names all those portmanteaus are done

12:23Ronnie Karam: so she's still looking for an apartment and it's like really hard without like having a penthouse to live anymore i don't have hooks penthouse so like it's gonna be really hard like paying rent in like a non-penthouse apartment it sucks so ariana is taking her motorcycle ride with liam it's like yeah basically like do everything it's like this ride this motorcycle right into a fire battle.

12:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah. This is like the same motorcycle that Bruce Willis drove and Pulp Fiction, except totally different one, but they both have two wheels and a seat. But yeah, I'm pretty much a Pulp Fiction. I love Tarantino. I'm a, I'm a director producer. Now I'm a predator, as they say, producer, editor, director, actor, but it's actually a predator editor, but you know what I'm saying? I do everything. One man machine. Anyway, it's cool.

13:11Ronnie Karam: And Ariana's like, I do like him, but, um, Austin's like, you're going to marry him. You're going to marry him. so who knows you guys and then we see her on the phone with Hudson and she's like did you let them know that you're not going to go to BravoCon because just let them know because it's going to shift everybody's schedules he's like yeah I'm not going to go to BravoCon

13:33Ben Mandelker: yeah everyone's schedule shifted consider it shifted so now Ava is meeting with a woman named Georgia who is the global digital director for Ford Models and Georgia is asking Ava like so what kind of like what are you thinking about doing in 2026? What are you planning? And Ava's like, yeah, I would like to do more beauty stuff and also like editorial and I want to elevate my Instagram and I'm going to post more and I want to post like elevated fashion-y content.

14:11Ronnie Karam: So that's a start, I guess. Hi, model. What are your goals? like beauty stuff like elevate my Instagram by like elevating fashion-y stuff why are we having this interview she's a model what do you think her goals are okay my goals arithmetic like my goals reading like a gigantic difficult book from 100 years ago her goals are fucking beauty getting Instagram followers what are you asking

14:47Ben Mandelker: my goal is to learn portuguese and then take a three-week course at the museum about how to make your own loom um so she is uh yeah she just wants to do fashion stuff so george says well that's great and it's great that you went to an event how did your event go and she goes what event the chanel event at the moma didn't you go remember last night when i booked it for you and i said you're going to the moma event tonight okay i gotta get out of this hell of being the

15:15Ronnie Karam: digital director okay go to moma it's like oh yeah the moma i forgot i was like what event

15:26Ben Mandelker: yeah we know you don't have to repeat that we saw you be like what event

15:31Ronnie Karam: yeah they need to just start doing these meetings on the phone so the poor agent can just hang up you know like the one went dead a long time ago okay so now she's like yeah like there's like bills and percentages now i'm like i hate percentages we know and she goes yeah there's things i have to do now like there's so many things that go into having an apartment like um you pay for it and then there's like an amenity fee and like utilities i've never even heard of those words like utility what does that even mean the irony of a model just being like

16:10Ben Mandelker: what does utility mean utility look into it so then something you're not even bothering with in your life now are now ariana and liam they're on a date they they arrive at the samuel j and ethel lafrock center because ice skating rink and prospect park so they're there um this is on liam's corner of the show i think it's so funny i feel like liam has a whole different tv show that's been grafted onto this one and like they sometimes intersect via ariana where they go on a little date and then when ariana leaves he goes back to his other tv show that stars his friends kendall and jackson and his family so he's so he is now we're having a crossover episode of of liam's show here and um they're on their date and he tells us yeah i think i made the right call um I called Austin to get Ariana's shoe size, and then I bought her ice skates because I was like, you know, it was$150 to put a smile on her face.

17:12Ben Mandelker: Not too bad for a working actor. I mean, when you got that law and order money, you can just buy skates for everyone. I tried to buy skates for Mariska Hargitay. She returned them. I think it was too much heat for her, if you know what I'm saying.

17:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's just some pretty sick skates, huh? You like these sick skates? bro you were just at her tiny apartment where you had to build a closet because she didn't have anywhere to put shit and now you bought her ice skates it's okay she keeps on loan at my

17:42Ben Mandelker: parents house my mom and dad are pretty cool my mom works in the film industry so enough said right i think she knows how to take care of an ice skate so and i'm over to mama overfell it's gonna be great you're basically part of the family

17:57Ronnie Karam: so then charlie is uh walking and we learn through text that hudson is not going to bravo con oh my god what are we gonna do can we still win the bravo and um the producer asked charlie if he's surprised that hudson's ditching and charlie's like no i'm not surprised like ariana and hudson like they sort of form themselves as like this bravo couple so now like everyone gets tea if they break up like who wants to be that who wants to be people's tea

18:26Ben Mandelker: and then oh we hear some gossip from a blogger this is not just a blogger this is lara she's like uh i think that hudson's holding ariana back and i think that she's going to reach her true potential and she needs to be careful right now because right now is the prime time to fuck

18:43Ronnie Karam: charlie zaccor yep and i guess it happened good call so then charlie is getting a facial and they're like uh do you know about all this do you even know who you're giving a facial to right now she's like yeah i don't watch bravo if we just is it bad enough i'm not squeezing this man's pores i don't know yeah but let me tell you something i'm gonna tell you if you push that

19:11Ben Mandelker: esthetician i guarantee this is the next sentence i mean i do watch that yacht show below deck yeah that one i do watch that i love kate i love captain lee um i also really like captain jason asia's very hilarious what about that girl what was her name that girl like v whose boyfriend died because that's we all know that's what it is people say they don't watch bravo and then it

19:30Ronnie Karam: turns out they watch below deck yeah well that's usually the husband thing right they're like yeah I'm not going to watch Bravo shows, a bunch of women fighting. Oh, yeah, I do love that boat one.

19:44Ben Mandelker: The gateway drug. They always say the boat one is that they don't know the name of it. This franchise that's been on the air for 10 years that has had multiple spinoffs as the only show about boats on TV. Everyone knows what Below Deck is. And they always go, what's the one about the yacht? What's the one about the yacht? Excuse you.

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20:20Ben Mandelker: isn't there a show called tuna i'm gonna look i have no idea what you're talking about you were like wild tuna there's a show called wild tuna guys it's time it's time to take the patriarchy

20:33Ronnie Karam: down why is there a show called wicked tuna wicked tuna i told you is is it about like new england people catching tuna it's um crews battle the elements and each other to catch lucrative atlantic bluefin tuna by rod and reel wicked tuna oh and there's even a spinoff called wicked tuna outer banks

20:58Ronnie Karam: are they teenagers on that one the wicked okay it's going down i you know i i do not want to

21:06Ben Mandelker: hear from a single other straight guy how can you watch that shit when there's a show called wicked tuna out there okay seriously don't want to hear it yeah angry tuna i like mine better

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23:34Ronnie Karam: FX's The Shards, now streaming on Hulu. so now we go back to ice skating and liam's like oh yeah i'm real impressed with her ice skating she's a good student she can be my student any day of the week

23:47Ben Mandelker: oh yeah hey let's get some hot chocolate before i do that let me unscrew my lactose pills that i've got chained to the rhythm and also my butt loops he's like you just got him right here because by the way she keeps she said like a few times she goes oh you really love your gear which i don't think was a compliment from her but he's like yeah i love it i got everything on a carabiner carabiner in the back i got lactose pills on a carabiner wad on another carabiner i got a spare carabiner dangling from you guessed it a carabiner

24:24Ronnie Karam: because he's got the full anti-josie that's my lesbian aunt he's got the full anti-josie uh or anti-Josie keychain where he's got like a million keychains hanging off his belt loop they're like jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle just like wow that's really adorable yeah yeah he's like

24:43Ben Mandelker: definitely he's got like a little bit of like a crunchy vibe going on there like he's probably talks about like hiking in vermont and like the green mountains um so uh he's like every time i do this people think i'm gonna die they think it's like pills they're like what sort of drugs as you want i was like listen bro i've done a short film where i played an addict but i'm not one in real life just don't have the enzymes in my body it's an actor's life so when do you leave

25:10Ronnie Karam: for bravo con anyway when are you going for that and she's like yeah i'm going to say but you know it's like crazy because i love to gamble yeah i love it yeah my mom's a big gambler why are you acting like wow can't wait to gamble just like my mom your mom has been in so much trouble she was going through like tens of thousands of dollars at nickel machines

25:34Ben Mandelker: for a while can't wait to can't wait to follow it all the sage footsteps of my mother um so yeah and then they of course show footage of kim gambling and uh arna's like yeah my mom will really like you oh really well guess what she better not put me in a stool because i need a chair with the back so i could put my elbow behind it yeah actor what picture did you show your mama man i didn't get approval on that picture was it a still from law and order which i was on once she's like uh well it doesn't matter so then i was watching law and order i know i keep

26:12Ronnie Karam: saying i was at my parents i've been at my parents house a lot but um one thing that i turn on because the news makes me crazy i'm like anything and they're like okay we'll put on a law and order oh my god can i tell you that jerry it's not jerry o 'connell what's the guy's name from law and order this is me by the way we're back jerry jerry jerry orback isn't it crazy that even what is that 30 20 30 years i mean it's been on forever even then he was like 60. how has he been

26:39Ben Mandelker: 60 for 90 years yeah well yeah i mean you know he you know he's he has not been with us for about

26:47Ronnie Karam: 20 years though right it's been 20 years i still picture him exactly he's probably in heaven exactly the same like i think there are people maybe go to heaven and it's like oh here's the 14 year old version of ronnie like here's the best version with like a little flip in my hair and bangs like claw bangs but i think jerry orbach came out 60 and he's probably still in heaven at 60

27:10Ben Mandelker: i think so because when he was in dirty dancing he definitely looked the same as when he died in 2004 like he he definitely is like one of those people just sort of had the same age for a very long time even when he was younger yeah he was very famously in he was in some uh he was in some movie that famously when he was younger and i was like was he at like north by northwest and he still looked like he was on law and order in the late 90s he just always looked exactly the

27:38Ronnie Karam: same age which is crazy so um now riley is going into an uber why are we talking about jerry orback oh it's just a general commentary from law and order i think so i don't know i'm looming today i don't even know i don't know why i'm here today so riley gets into an uber and we find out that riley is now back from atlanta and she's planning a girls night to make up for the last girls night

28:06Ben Mandelker: that she was in and her she's inviting a bunch of girls she's also inviting brooks this time because brooks was sad to be left out but it's also gonna be on shy's birthday and she's like um it's funny she's like and i'm gonna invite shy because he would feel a certain way if he wasn't invited but brooks was which i don't know why that was like funny to me and it's also funny because it winds up being like just brooks and shy are the only two guys at the girls night and like brooks i understand but like shy just tagging along a girl's night is like i find to be very endearing i think it's like very sweet that he spent his birthday with all the girls it's also so sad though that

28:43Ronnie Karam: shy's they're like well i guess we have to invite shy it's his birthday let's not have a birthday party for shy let's just invite him to our girls right we're just gonna invite him

28:57Ben Mandelker: because they'll feel a certain sort of way that brooke's got an invite which i don't understand that either but now we see shy uh on his uh chart on his what's it called uh you know that machine the juki that i love you know what i'm talking about oh the sewing machine but it's the um serger you know serger thank you um you saw me going like this i'm pushing this the fabric through the serger so shy is telling us yeah wait hold on a second let me put my elbow let let me do a Liam open my elbow on the back of my chair. Yeah, I've taken sewing classes. I know about sergers. Yeah, I'm an actor.

29:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, basically I surge, I photo, sorry, surge, motorcycles, firefighting, you know, basically all of it.

29:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, when there's a fire, what we do is as a volunteer firefighter, we go to all the schools in Lake George and give out fire blankets that I sell myself with my serger. So what can I say?

29:53Ronnie Karam: I'm a fire serger. If there's a fire in one place and a fire in another place, i surged the fires together it makes a bigger fire but hey i'm an actor and i'm here to place

30:04Ben Mandelker: if your juki surger catches on fire i got you i am equipped to deal with that as long as it's in lake george um you know what's funny is that when i've been mandelkirk when i was like george yeah let me tell you this story to bring it all together when i was a kid it must have been 87 88 my family went up to lake george for like like i don't know some little vacation and we stayed at a resort and the resort had like a movie night and uh they basically show movies and i went to the movies at the resort and they were showing guess what dirty dancing jerry orback callback whoa wow you're really surging our memories I just Surged I just brought Jerry Orbach Full circle from Lake George All the way To firefighting

31:00Ronnie Karam: And were you like is that man 60 or 60 I was like that 60 year old

31:07Ben Mandelker: Man has no right to put Baby in the corner I cried so hard in that movie Which is funny because it's not a movie that you cry in But when they break up for a second When they play She's Like the Wind I cried and I cried. I was like very sensitive to that when I was a child. But the night before on movie night, you know what they showed? And this is the movie that destroyed me. La Bamba. I sat there and then when the movie was over, I had to walk all the way back. Oh, La Bamba, yeah. I had to walk all the way back to my hotel room and I walked in that hotel room crying and my parents were like, what was wrong?

31:39Ben Mandelker: I was like, I watched La Bamba.

31:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I was like, this is a true story. Why would nobody tell me how this ended?

31:49Ben Mandelker: like okay like it's seared into my memory like richie valens's mother putting up the laundry on that line and then just like dropping to her knees as a side more alice hugs her

32:05Ronnie Karam: la bomba it's like i'll be here for you by the way do we know how old jerry orback is

32:11Ben Mandelker: it's really been fun okay so brooks and shy are finally on the phone because brooks has been

32:23Ronnie Karam: avoiding shy like crazy so he's like hey i'm so sorry i know that i missed a few calls from you he's like yeah well i texted you about a potential photo shoot hiding your back from you so i got worried like it's everything okay like i mean is there something going on i mean i hope that we you know, we have enough respect for each other. If anything's going on, like, you would, like, tell me. Like, you could say what you need to say.

32:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't do that. I don't say what I need to say. I mean, as someone who is friends with the majority of people in this group, I feel that your actions are making me question how much I can trust you. He's like, what actions are going against your comfort? Like, talking to a sweet old lady on the subway? Like, watching Survivor as a child? Like, what are you talking about? It's like everything that's going on between Ariana and like Hudson. Oh, God.

33:16Ronnie Karam: Come on, Brooks. Give me a break. Stretch. It is stretching. So, Sai, it's like, I mean, me getting involved with them, that's between Ariana and I, right? Yeah, but also like you being nosy in someone else's business isn't really between. The point is you being nosy, so you can't really stand against somebody else being nosy. You know? but like also you can't um like you you should just say uh i learned my lesson i'm not doing

33:47Ben Mandelker: that again and just indebt it right there but also brooks i don't know this is what the point you were trying to make which is like brooks being mad at at shy for inserting himself into someone else's drama like then brooks is doing the same thing is that what you're saying or you're

34:01Ronnie Karam: saying yeah sort of like the yeah it's hypocritical to be like um that's not even that's not even your business but it's not really your business either so um brooks is like yeah you said you needed to be a friend to hudson but like ariana is cute and he wouldn't say that because he didn't want to come across a different way on camera and she's like oh my god like there was like a small surprise birthday picnic for ariana and brooks and i like left at the same time i'm like okay so i was like she looks cute you know like yeah she's cute like so is brooks they're all cute but why is it so offensive that shy is saying that she's cute but it's not offensive that everybody else thinks ariana's cute like why is it okay for everybody else to openly be crushing

34:49Ben Mandelker: but not shy because i think that brooks was upset that shy was like um i think she's cute and i would go after her except i don't want to do that because it brooks interpreting it as like shy was saying i'm not gonna go after her because i'll gotta look bad on camera because hudson that like hudson's my boy and so i think he's sensing that shy is like a faker and that everything he does is insincere and that um like he's actually being shifted he's gonna go after ariana on the low i think that's the story that brooks is putting forward if i can figure it out yeah okay that

35:25Ronnie Karam: makes sense so shy uh shy's like i mean i think she's cute but like i said it in a way that was like like gave her the cute where i think that like uh he's like yeah but you said you couldn't do it because of hudson you're being a friend to hudson now and he's like but it's not like i have feelings for her like you're questioning our friendship and implying that i'm like i'm not a good person and i respect you and i admire you so i don't know why you're doing that like i admire

35:49Ben Mandelker: your brand yeah that's the highest compliment that's fakery right there you admire his brand

35:55Ronnie Karam: And he's got a sweatsuit that came out a long time. I mean, no offense. He does have other stuff now. We looked at his website. So his stuff did come out. But to be like, I'm not fake. I admire your brand.

36:09Ben Mandelker: Brooks has disintegrated Terry Cloth as his brand. That's what we learned last week. So then Shai's like, I could take a hint. All right. Like, I feel like you obviously, like, you don't want to be involved in my photo shoot. He's like, it's not about what I want and what I don't want. want I'm signed to a modeling agency and all of my work goes through them try I was like well I don't want to chat to my friend's modeling agency to see if like they can be in a photo shoot and Brooks tells us when you have a modeling agreement in place there are exclusivities like I don't want to get sued for like breaking contract it's like you can okay you can you can still say like like like I totally will do this let me check with my agent to see if it's a conflict but it shouldn't

36:56Ronnie Karam: be a problem you know yeah he just doesn't like doesn't want to do it doesn't like shot doesn't like his product I think I think Brooks is being a little shit but I do respect that Brooks is at least saying what he feels because that's very not like Brooks to be like well you know here's That's what I'm upset about. So he's like, well, this conversation's like, I guess I have to go. I have a lot of work to do. And he's like, yeah, so do I. But I'm giving you the courtesy of calling you back in the middle of the fucking work day to have this conversation. Girl, please. You haven't given the courtesy of even texting back for over a week.

37:37Ronnie Karam: So please.

37:39Ben Mandelker: Well, now it's time to go to Girls Night. And Riley just wants to have some friends over. So we see some familiar faces. We see Kayla, who we haven't seen in a little bit. We see someone named Maya the Don. And we see Amari, who we all know as Angela Oakley's daughter. Amari, she's already crossed over to a new show. How quick. So they arrive, and there's a slide option. And if this looks familiar to you, you may remember a certain episode of Real Housewives of New York where I think Leah had like a cool, hip, like downtown party with like cool people. And then all of her co-stars came. And I believe that, I believe some of them just slid right.

38:26Ben Mandelker: I think, I want to say, did Sonia Morgan slide down that slide? Am I mixing things up? Didn't Leah have a party with this slide? We've definitely seen this slide on Bravo before, right?

38:38Ronnie Karam: I don't know. the leah mcsweeney episodes have been deleted from my ddr for the most part my my brain space listen angry tuna you know what i mean at some point i'm just like no i'm not going to keep that

38:51Ben Mandelker: i might be completing things i could have sworn the roni women like went down this slide for some scene once maybe it wasn't leah i don't know i could have sworn i have like an image of tinsley i also do remember there was one time where leah definitely had a party and there were all these like young hipsters there and then sonia came down the staircase and was like i could just eat you up i could be your grandma or something like that and they were like yeah like i just remember she had this amazing entrance into this party down the staircase and for some reason that was that was leah mcsweeney's party wasn't it but you know what though there wasn't a slide there because sonia went down the staircase but i could swear there was another because there'll be a downstairs

39:28Ronnie Karam: side i don't know driving me but i remember that party where she's like hi everyone it's me sonia Hi, Morgan. I'm urban. We're downtown. Love urban things. Like a cringe Sonia night. So Mira is telling us that Riley's sweet for doing the Girls' Night 2.0. And Georgia's going to be there. But she's already had the conversation with Charlie. And now she needs to have a conversation with Georgia before BravoCon. And so everybody's, you know, coming in and sliding. Do the slide. thing and so riley's like well i invited georgia because i felt like it would be rude if i didn't

40:13Ben Mandelker: yeah she's like um so so amira arrives and um and like people just are arriving and they're going down the slide amira's like my boots i don't want to ruin my boots i feel like there's staircase option that people can take that they're neglecting but um anyway riley is they have this like riley and georgia have this weird hug it's like this light hug kind of like we all think that like george and the hand washing is like gross but i kind of feel like i think riley is drawing it out too much at this point it's like you either are friends you would just accept george into your life and you're friends with her or you don't but like this whole like slow like little hug and george is like see that was good that wasn't so bad i don't know i'm like she's like

41:01Ronnie Karam: no don't not the rubbing on the back but riley i think the whole thing is that riley just doesn't like to hug in general you know yeah she's like i don't hug people but you know she does make a lot of it but georgia does too she's gonna start her own hand soap so it's just one of those things here's the thing to make washing your hands yeah yeah because people like need to like think of Cleaning is fun again.

41:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So then Shai is there, and Shai's talking to Maya the Don. And he's like, hey, so how do you know Riley? She goes, I'm a rapper. And he's like, really? She's like, yeah, that's how I know Riley. He's like, so what's your rapper name? Maya the Don. How do you know Riley? He's like, well, I met Riley last year. So you know what? Like, I make clothes. And she's like, oh, is this your clothing brand? He's like, no. He's like, well, you're a bad business man.

41:51Ronnie Karam: Well, you're not rhyming every sentence. Jesus. Can I just leave the office? So Shai's like, well, this isn't honestly the way I would normally spend my birthday. But, you know, I'm just happy I got invited to girls night. So now Ava is talking to Shai. And she's like, this week's been a lot for me because of the hook stuff. And he goes, yeah, you breaking up with your boyfriend? She goes, yeah, it was the whole moment. Did you know I've been to the MoMA? totally forgot about it yeah it's a crazy event so so much to remember as a model um so shy is

42:33Ben Mandelker: like uh you know i just want to say i owe you an apology because like uh like i don't know like i was like stressed about like i just like texted and called you a lot because i was just trying to figure out my photo shoot and i know we don't like know each other that well but like from the moment i met you at like the highline room last summer like we talked and i was just like she's strong like straight up i was like that's really cool and she's like is it because i was wearing a blazer i love that you can remember the blazer that she wore last summer but you can't remember that she went to a chanel event last night i thought that was so funny when he's like you're

43:03Ronnie Karam: just so strong it's like is it because i was in a blazer uh so funny and he's like well like look we've known each other and like we've hung out in like group settings but like we haven't had a one-on-one and like i just think like i get i'm like overwhelmed by her coolness and like how pretty she is and stuff you know and ava like you seem like you got like you have everything together like i don't know she's like yeah i don't but whatever okay well will you do my shoot or will you not this guy is like walking up to everybody and apologizing you guys are on the same tv show people can at least text you back you know i think guys this is a time where you don't need to be apologizing to everybody come on you need to be like what the fuck be nice to shy watch shy is gonna do something so horrible and this is gonna follow us for the rest of our lives it's like you're standing up for shy now look you idiots we're allowed to make mistakes

44:01Ben Mandelker: it's okay we don't have to be smart about everything hey i mean to anyone who's offended

44:06Ronnie Karam: i just want you to know i'm really sorry and i respect your brand your feelings are valid also

44:12Ben Mandelker: yeah and you were really strong uh if we were wearing blazers people would take us more seriously so Gia arrives and she's like hi and um then Brooks and Chloe arrive uh the two anti slightest Brooks like I'm not going down this slide I like the wet ones they're all saying hello and that's like very icy between Brooks and shy it's like hi Brooks like and Shia's like hi so they're like not talking and shy is like i don't do well with awkward silence like i really hate that feeling like it's like you can hear the silence in the bar you know but like it's like the loudest room possible but i can hear how quiet it is between him and i i was like well you know what i appreciate you using the proper him and i instead of he and i thank you shy is there anything you can't do

44:59Ronnie Karam: uh now amira pulls georgia for a chat and um rowan's uh rowan's like um i'll be at the bowling station about the show too lots of spares lots of strikes get someone can stay around for this private conversation so amira's like uh okay it's like my first public this is my first group setting since my little blow up and she's like yeah genuinely i'm sorry about that like i really didn't mean to hurt you about the charlie stuff but like you know like for background when i told you it was like genuinely a reaction to seeing you being like the person who sticks up for charlie and i just felt bad for you because you know you seem as such a different person as he sees you

45:45Ben Mandelker: okay well let's do it all over again georgia yeah um so then george is like um so like yeah i didn't know the extent to which it would hurt you and amira's like well i just feel like you used kevin to get me on your side and this whole like charlie versus georgia's buckle it's like that's like not my intention the thing i needed to hear to finally move on from charlie and realize how bad of a person he was was the things like he was saying on top of the actions he was taking so when i heard um georgia could you stop raising your chin i have to eventually look at the ceiling i'm compelled to keep looking at the ceiling please can just like look in my face oh i can't help it whenever i talk i have to raise my chin as high as possible a rectangle candy pops out she is always kind of like raising her her head like back back back

46:41Ronnie Karam: is just always gaping open she's like yeah so like the stuff that like i heard you like being nice about charlie and i had like searing information about you and i had to tell you

46:56Ben Mandelker: i'm sorry georgia is my favorite person like on this show she cracks me up endlessly the way she phrases everything the way she like explains things like i like she is hilarity for me like

47:12Ronnie Karam: was it last week when she was with her brother that was last week right when she was a few weeks ago yeah like basically like i stayed with my um i i just basically dated omar because he had air conditioning and i was oh yeah you're right yes it was like i was like do i want to like go to my sixth floor walk-off or do i want to like go sit in some ac that's why i did and the brother was like babe you can't just date people for their ac and she's like yeah she was like by the way the

47:44Ben Mandelker: most fashionable things or things that are like not supposed to be for fashion, like a marching band vests. Like that's what you gotta wear. Like her hot takes are amazing. And like, even this, when she was like, I have searing information. It's searing.

48:02Ronnie Karam: It's not cooked in the metal. Yeah. So Amira's like, well, you know, I had a conversation with Charlie and he's basically saying like, I should, you know, I probably said it. so i don't know like it's meant it's a joke or something it's like yeah but like he would laugh and say like you know he would laugh and say it do you not remember me saying that because i said it was a joke that's like the point like it's a joke you know but that's not like the only nasty thing that was said and i won't even say anything else but it's bad and she's like well he's not here so you can tell me what he said i want to know because i've defended him she's like

48:39Ben Mandelker: By the way, that's such a funny twist on what people normally say, which is like, they're not here to defend themselves, so you really shouldn't say anything. But Amir is like, he's not here, so you can tell me everything.

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50:54Ben Mandelker: And so Amir is like, I always thought I had something special, a special friendship with him. and george is like yeah i thought that too and like he literally like makes you feel so important and so cherish you feel like you're the searing hot piece of information so like you feel so special and then like you know what i mean and like suddenly you're like the butt of a joke and like you're a means to an end or you're like you know like you know what i mean you're like a candy corn in like the pumpkin you're like the you're you're like the pebble in the gravel driveway way you're the you're you're the staple in the stapler you're just one of many you know

51:34Ronnie Karam: you feel so special until he asked for his bluetooth speaker back and then it's just like the world comes crushing down and so she's like well what was he saying about me was it about my identity and george is like yeah she goes whoa when did all this start though and she's like from like the moment I met him.

51:55Ben Mandelker: And Amira is, you know, you're a heartbreak for Amira because this is something that she deals with all the time and to know that she has to deal with it from a close friend is terrible. And, you know, when she says, I know what you're going to say. I already know what it is. I know what it is. I believe you. But then she's like, but I also don't believe that your intentions are 100 % right. Like, I don't want to have a conversation with him. But I also believe that this is part of some weird shit between you guys and george is like yeah i know yeah like process it process it

52:27Ronnie Karam: but i can understand why she's also like you georgia because you're coming and being like okay this person has said like a ton of transphobic things about you and it's always been fine with me until i got mad at him and now now let's now let's villainize him you know what i mean and And it's terrible, obviously, that Charlie did it. But I also believe that Georgia fucking sat there and laughed about it. And now she's like, oh, you know, you should fuck that guy. I think it's really low to use the worst thing. Not the worst thing that he said, but like the thing that you know is going to hurt somebody the most.

53:06Yeah,

53:07Ben Mandelker: totally. So then Amira's like, I'm going to go. Amira's really hurt. so now it's a new day and guess what let's let's leave next in new york city for a moment and go into outside the actor's studio with liam and liam's show and we're with liam and kendall and liam's like so uh what what time did you get home last night kendall she's like i don't know it's not that important hold on they're gonna insert a laugh track here okay cool uh yeah it's Kendall, huge personality, blowing up this show.

53:41Ronnie Karam: On a show where so many people seem out to lunch, Kendall is just in a completely different restaurant. Is she even in there? Is there somebody even in there? She's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:00Ben Mandelker: I'm telling you, Kendall is like Liam's camp friend that he's trying to integrate with his school friends, and it's just not working. You know, it's like the camp friend is the camp friend. The school friend is the school friend and never the tween shall they meet. Like it's, they're just different worlds. You cannot integrate the camp friend with your school friends. That's the first rule of middle school and high school. It doesn't work.

54:24Ronnie Karam: It's also one of those relationships where there's one person that's the kind of entertainment and the other person that's the audience. And it seems like he's just used to talking and talking and not having anybody talk back, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So then we find out that the flights to BravoCon are in danger because something was going on then. And so flights are being canceled. And Brooke's like, oh, my God. Is it like a travel thing? And the producer says, the government shut down. and he's like what the government just shut down they're like yeah you don't know that he's like um i was just on a call for bravo con and they were talking about like travel and like the government shut down i don't even know what that means like i thought it meant like they had turbulence or

55:20Ben Mandelker: something so he's like wow i'm like just opening the news right now like it's not breaking news He's like, really? No one knows that it shut down? Like, it's day 31 of the shutdown.

55:33Ronnie Karam: He's like, what?

55:36Ben Mandelker: The government's been shut down for 31 days?

55:41Ronnie Karam: It's not the craziest reaction in general. It's just hilarious that you didn't know. Because I think the reaction to all of us should be like, the government can just shut down? What? Yeah. How is there even that option?

55:57Ben Mandelker: so ariana's getting ready for bravo con and um she's saying um you know like she's like well my mom's gonna be at bravo con and that really eases my nerves a little bit because my mom's gonna be there yes i mean famously well something that people will often say is i am so nervous but don't worry kim zolciak will calm everything down the beacon of tranquility kim zolciak

56:22Ronnie Karam: makes everybody feel better everywhere she goes. Georgia's planning her outfits. And then let's see, she's talking about who she's looking forward to potentially meeting. And she's like, I heard Jake from State Farm might be there. He was. He was, in fact. He was. And so many people were so excited to meet Jake from State Farm. State Farm. Sorry. State Farm. I would love. People were very excited. yeah a lot of people are like oh my god i met jake from state farm people were excited i've never

56:56Ben Mandelker: really quite gotten the appeal of jake from state farm but i respect the appeal i'm more of a flow girly what can i say um but uh also another thing is that ariana says vegas like vegas and so they're like can you say that again she's like vegas like no vegas she's like vegas vegas vegas um so then we go to Charlie and he's FaceTiming his mom, Liz. And Liz is there with her boyfriend in London, Ivor. I think his name is Ivor. And he's like crazy. And so Charlie's talking about telling them about BravoCon or whatever. And he's like,

57:39Ronnie Karam: I'm doing well. Me and a friend are going to open a bar. And Ivor says, nice to have people from all walks of life. you know i like a duchess to be able to talk and make a conversation with someone who looks after

57:51Ben Mandelker: the pigs you know it's a real contrast like thanks thanks ivor thanks for weighing in and then we go to riley and shy and they're they're walking around and um they uh they're just like hanging out which is nice someone's talking to shy and now brooks is at ava's and they're like talking about like what outfit to do and it was like i don't know what outfit i should bring the call sheet says like wear what you'd wear to watch happens live but i've never been there i don't know what that means like you were on it last night oh my god was i was wearing a blazer

58:28Ronnie Karam: um so people are just getting ready for this it's very exciting stuff christian's not going to bravo con gia finds out and she's like yeah that's terrible gia so then we go back to charlie's FaceTime and Charlie's like you know, I mean, I don't even know if I'm going to hook up with any of these people. I mean, Ariana is probably like the one I would hook up with but maybe I will at some point. She's like, what? You probably will at some point. He's like, yeah, like if I put in the effort, let's just say if I decide to try.

59:02Ben Mandelker: Little does he realize that over at an art gallery, Liam is leaning back on an invisible chair with Kendall. He's like, so, I brought Ariana some ice skates. Did I tell you that candle she's like i love you what was that yeah i mean it's very cute did you kiss her no no no i didn't kiss her like that's such an amateur move like that's like what a non-actor would do but a real actor you gotta play the long game you know it's like the greatest role you've

59:31Ronnie Karam: ever gotten is the role of lover meanwhile george is like wow honestly like there's a chance my boyfriend and I could get married if I saw like maybe this is my wedding weekend and back to Charlie he's saying he's talking about Georgia and that he's gonna you know her ex Omar is the one that he wants to open the bar with and she's viewing it as a crazy betrayal and the mom's just like don't you think it's just better to get along he's like yeah I'm just trying to elevate I'm turn to elevate above this.

1:00:05Ben Mandelker: Back to my side of the TV show. So guess what? Shy called me up. Kind of apologizing. Like, whatever. And Kendall's like, well, I feel like I've just heard, like, not very genuine things. Like, you know, the way he's been between you or Hudson and Ariana and that whole situation. He's like, what? Like, didn't Charlie go after Ariana when they were together though? I mean, come on, everyone, right? You don't have to be an actor to put these two points together. Am I right, Kendall? She's like, yeah. Could you ask me a question once? Is that okay? Could you see what's going on in my life?

1:00:39Ronnie Karam: He's like, I don't have anything to worry about. Know what I mean? Stand your ground. It's a great law. And then we go to Kendall and Liam. Oh, sorry. We were just with them. We go to Charlie. And now he's watching Amira's TikToks. And he's like, yeah, I mean, I'm feeling fine. Because I've known Amira for a million years. And our foundation is really helpful. so georgia can't break us apart and amira's like yeah i'm putting this shit to the side because

1:01:07Ben Mandelker: i'm a professional bat bitch yeah so now back to riley and shy and they're like at some little place sitting by a window and riley's asking what's going on with shy and shy's like you know brooks was kind of mean to me i'm not gonna lie it just just kind of sucks like the photo shoot thing i thought him and i were friends and he was like go speak to my agent and she's like yeah he never yeah he shouldn't have said that and shy's like you know i mean he said he would do it like him and i had like completely different versions of conversations by the way he was him and i in the wrong way this time i take it all back shy but him and i had like completely different versions of conversations that we've had and like individually he was like who said xyz about ariana and i was like yeah i said she was cute but like i didn't i wasn't like

1:01:51Ronnie Karam: well you know what i'm saying she's like what are you besties with hudson like how does this work And he's like, well, I mean, Brooks was like, oh, my God. Like, what do you mean by that? And I was like, no, of course not. Like, I can't do that to Hudson. I said it. I said I couldn't do it to Hudson. She's like, yeah, but, like, you can't do that to Hudson. You see? Clack your tea. That's the problem, dummy. Yes. So she's like, listen, if I was you, I would consider everyone there an acquaintance. I have friends, but you have acquaintances. it's finally somebody's just being honest with him she's like yeah these people don't like you sir yeah he also after the first season was kind of a breakout star which i don't think this cast really likes because he was barely he was just kind of hanging out with in the first season and then everybody loved him and they're like who the is this guy yeah exactly but riley

1:02:49Ben Mandelker: brings up a good point too which is like um if you're gonna say oh i would never do that because a bro code then why are you saying something in the first place right like why are you even why are you even putting it out there so um shy is like i don't get what riley's trying to say right now it's like she's a witch with this like prophecy riddle being like don't trust others around you and i'm like what the fuck are you saying she's saying don't trust the people around you you're not as good friends with them as you think you are so don't expect so much from them yeah you're

1:03:17Ronnie Karam: trying too hard for tv scenes and these people are not liking it because i don't consider you a true cast member on the show there so um then we go to bravo con is travel day brooks and america jfk and um gia gets stuck on a flight with shy and she's like of all the flights that i could buy i bought the one with shy and then shy has like 10 times more screen time than you by the way yeah might want to amp it up like you do nothing but dislike people that other people tell you to

1:03:53Ben Mandelker: dislike so then uh ava is moving into her new apartment i wonder if she's moving into the wouldn't it be funny if she lived in the ava because there's a building called ava god i entertain myself so ava is uh she's moving in so she facetimes her mom rachel roy and uh she's like oh my god look at this apartment it's so nice isn't this so nice and rachel's like oh my god that's beautiful those windows it's outstanding and ava's just saying like you

1:04:22Ronnie Karam: know people think he was trying to get a guarantor basically she's like well you signed for this apartment and her mom's like no that's embarrassing you're 26 years old grow up nice then we nice very good worry i like that she's the non-spoiling parent because i don't

1:04:40Ben Mandelker: we see that a lot on this show but she's like no no no no um meanwhile liam guys liam wrote a movie so he he turned into a short and it's gonna be in a film festival so he's getting ready for that so he meets up with his crew it's and it's like rowan gets stuck in the in the liam tv show so she's like well i guess i'm here because they can't show me a bravo con i guess so i'm here with you guys and And so it's like Kendall and Jackson and Austin, who is – Austin is Ariana's guy. And so he's like, guys, I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out. It's crazy. So, yeah, he does his film. He does his film.

1:05:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Rowan's like, so tell us how much we should expect here. Like, this is 10 minutes. He's like, yeah, but there's like 30 films. She's like, oh, shit. We've all been stuck at this one.

1:05:34Ben Mandelker: Short film showcase, good luck. You would never think a five-minute film could feel so long. Short film, long night. Yeah.

1:05:45Ronnie Karam: So then, yeah, that's basically that one. And so he has delivered flowers and, like, 12 Pellegrino bottles to Ariana's room in Vegas. Yeah. Mm-hmm. which i guess is nice i don't know what i would do if somebody i guess in vegas it is nice to get so much water because they charge you like ten dollars per little tiny bottle but that's weird is there like some inside thing about just loving pellegrino i guess so well it's nice to get some

1:06:20Ben Mandelker: some free shit so now uh in vegas everyone's in cars they're heading to dinner and everything and like one car's like silent the other one's like talking a lot of shit and uh riley is like saying that charlie didn't even try to say hi and uh george was like do you did you did he get his like eyebrows dyed they look really dark which i felt so vindicated because i feel like it was a few episodes ago i was like are charlie's eyebrows so dark it looks like he's trying to grow a unibrow it's like it looks his eyebrows look totally different so i'm glad i was not the only one who noticed this and it's hilarious that it's actually been happening for actually several months um but they're like yeah and his face filled out they're like what's happening

1:06:58Ronnie Karam: with him brooks like stress so um ariana g is shy and charlie are in another car and um ariana's saying the first time i ever came here i walked out of the club and it was like 8 a.m and i was

1:07:13Ben Mandelker: like mom we have to go home yeah seriously kim's like ah 12 more hours so they get to boa and um their server uh brings over drinks and everything and g is like okay guys we're gonna do a toast This is some of our first times at BravoCon, some not. And I'm just happy to be here with all of you. Cheers to Vegas. Like, cheers, whatever. And then Charlie and Georgia start having just small talk because Charlie's asking about Prez, which is Georgia's boyfriend. And he's and Georgia's like, yeah, he's planning on running for mayor either next term or the term after, which. I can't. No. What? and charlie goes mom donnie then prez

1:08:06Ben Mandelker: so riley's like people off what's that this little interchange pisses off people prez or this next one charlie no charlie and georgia just sort of having this little oh yes

1:08:21Ronnie Karam: yes yes i was like what the one coming up what's happening yes um they don't like it Riley's like, yeah, why are they chopping it up? You know? Like, this is exactly why people don't take her serious when she's arguing with him. Because she says she's never going to be friends with him, but then five minutes later, they're friends. And Amira's also like, what the fuck? Like, they do all this damage, and now they're, you know, kicking over the table? Mm-hmm.

1:08:49Ben Mandelker: So then they're asking, has anyone heard from Liam today? They're like, who's Liam? Remember he's on our show? oh, I thought that was just a backdoor pilot. And then he just goes off and does his other show. Like, no, both of our shows are at the same time on the same network. We share a show. Like, oh, okay. So now we cut over to Liam. And he's now, he's at a group dinner after his film festival. He's like, I'm feeling pretty good. First time I got to see my film on the big screen. Yeah, you know, doing the hard work of portraying a guy hugging a girl at a gas station, watching her drive off.

1:09:27Ben Mandelker: It was tough. I had to dig deep, but we got through in the end and I think the audience really liked that performance.

1:09:32Ronnie Karam: What's up, vegetables? Here I come. Back in Vegas, they're talking about the short films and, or that he's doing that. And then they start gossiping with Georgina, with Georgia a little bit. Sorry, I still have my In the City going on.

1:09:48Ben Mandelker: I would love if Georgina came in. She's like, hey guys, who wants to talk about toddlers?

1:09:54Ronnie Karam: uh let's see here i'm fast forwarding through because a lot of this is just small talk so um ariana's telling everybody that liam got her stuff and showing pictures of the pellegrino bottles and stuff like that and charlie's like whatever that doesn't always get you the results that think you think it will yeah um it's like i do nothing for anybody

1:10:16Ben Mandelker: and watch me go yeah exactly um so then charlie's asking he's like all right let me ask you a question describe to me your dream man physically sex sexually like what do you like and ariana's like well i think that liam's hot as fuck if that's what you're asking i like brown hair and blue eyes and charlie's like liam's a handsome guy i'm not shitting on bro but like whatever and riley's like well what's going on and i was like do you have a girlfriend and charlie's like No, I mean, I'm seeing someone. They're just like laughing. No, you're not seeing anyone.

1:10:52Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, we do have a panel coming up. So, like, does anyone want to clear the air before we go to the panel? Gee, that's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to clear it up at the panel. You're supposed to fight. I know. does anyone anybody want to make up before we go you know fighting you know argue with each other

1:11:13Ben Mandelker: at a panel you guys want to do this here at this restaurant or in front of Ben and Ron like we'll do it here we'll do it here so um so basically because Gia's shy is like this is shady because Gia knows I have I have something going on with like Brooks and everything and like how Brooks said talk to my agent like because I told her on the flight and Gia's like um he just started tell me about it as i was waiting for the bathroom like i don't care so then brooks is like yeah

1:11:42Ronnie Karam: she's like we're not friends i got stuck on a plane with this guy um but also shy you know what the producers do because we've seen on camera where shay's like oh wait should i call should i tell hudson okay i should right okay then i will okay i can do this i can do this so we know like this they're manipulating you shy stop telling people this my god he's like i can't believe i told gia something and then she's immediately using it against me on camera i know so then brooks is

1:12:12Ben Mandelker: he's like at this point honesty is like the most important thing to me and just like well do you not do you think not everyone's being truthful and he's like well that's not what i said i just think that being honest is important so then charlie's like well if you have to choose like the most dishonest person at this table wait why are you guys looking at me really why wait what why am i the most dishonest one and riley's like yeah you've done a lot of things that are dishonest you know whatever and uh charlie does not like that and then george george is like well the reason why i'm mad at you is because you lied about me with omar i remember i was coming out of the gynecologist and we were facetiming for 30 minutes outside the gynecologist walking down second avenue and i said have you had any contact with omar and you said no and then meanwhile you hung

1:13:02Ronnie Karam: out with him like 20 times it's like oh my god georgia cry me a river oh i hung out with your ex-boyfriend you were living in my house you're on my fucking couch boxes in my room she's like who put the boxes in your apartment though he did without my permission i mean that's better than them being on the street to be fair yeah so this goes back and forth and finally amira is like they're like wow amira looks like you're smirking she's and she's

1:13:30Ben Mandelker: like i'm not smirking this is not a joking around conversation like are you insane like if you actually have a problem with him say that you have a problem with him and if you want to resolve it then say you want to resolve it or let or just shut the fuck up and never speak about this again because she's like i'm i got caught in the crossfire of this and i got humiliated and hurt deeply because you two are just in some sort of like you know late 90s teen movie of like rich kids who like are attracted to each other but are fighting you know yeah and uh charlie's like but

1:14:00Ronnie Karam: I do think about people's feelings and like, I think about things before I say them. And then that's why I say them. And she's like, yeah, that makes it worse. You understand that, right? Yeah. So funny. Cause it's another opposite of reality TV thing where they're usually like, I was drunk. Like, how can you get mad at me? Like, I didn't mean it. I was just wasted. He's like, no, I thought, I think every single thing through. And I mean, every single thing I say, it's like, Oh my God.

1:14:29Ben Mandelker: so george is like you know what i'm gonna go to the bathroom because like i already said there's no reparation and they're like i try to go i think reparation is the wrong word so she goes off she actually washes her hands and and charlie's like um as she walks up charlie's like god god she sucks but that is a sick outfit she's wearing though that's sick and she goes i know great pants unbelievable beautiful pants so charlotte's like look you know like like why are you mad at me amira still i thought we had a whole conversation amira's like but like you never told me about the slur and he's like slur like what slur have i used and she's like i'll let her explain it to you he's like but like what about but what i thought everything was fine everything was fine and then in the bathroom meanwhile like george is very excited because she's like i'm washing my hands

1:15:19Ronnie Karam: washing my hands when do i add the water yeah and um so george is like yeah omar and i met through a stripper that he met at a strip club what do you think of that well i can't believe that one didn't last that's crazy and ariana's like wasn't that your first red flag it's like no so then back at the table amira's like just end it with her so that you guys and charlie's like what do you want me to say and she said literally just tell her keep my name out of your fucking mouth stop saying things about me that i've said to you and i never want to speak to you and if we're in a group setting like this then we keep it cordial and we keep it flat but we don't

1:16:00Ben Mandelker: need to go deeper at the end just say that yeah and then charlie basically georgia comes back and he basically says that he's like i'll be cordial with you but that's it and then georgia's like well then don't hug me hello like but like we don't have to be like avoid eye contact and she is like if there were things said between both of you that were truly hurtful to others keep it to yourself yeah okay then so if someone doesn't say something to someone's face then the

1:16:30Ronnie Karam: person who the thing was said about doesn't want to know like is that what you guys are saying georgia i mean kind of yeah like if you're talking shit about me if you're being mean about me with somebody and you're like talking shit or doing whatever and just being hideously mean no i don't necessarily want to know do you i mean i guess i want to know if it's you if it's like literally you and i'm like oh my god ben really hates me i guess i would want to know

1:17:01Ben Mandelker: but yeah i mean i think i would want to know i don't yeah i think i i think i would want to know if someone said something shitty to me but i don't know if i want to know because it was actually part of a larger thing that you like a manipulation between like i want i don't want to know it if it's in service of me being manipulated into being on the side of a fight and then i feel like oh now now i hate my friend and i'm being used in a war and i don't think i like that like i think i would

1:17:33Ronnie Karam: rather just have ignorance as bliss and yeah because you're not really telling me because you want me to know like you're trying to protect me you're just trying to use me as a weapon basically against somebody else so amira's like georgia i'm just saying if it's my friend of so many years in my mind you're bringing this up to start a rift between us and i'm tired of being collateral damage in your fucking fight they're perfect said it perfectly and georgia's like but that's not even collateral damage like what is this how somebody talks to the mayor's future wife

1:18:08Ben Mandelker: she's like you know what like if we're gonna go around and we're gonna go and talk around to one of you to one another we're going to say it to one another's faces and we're gonna say like talk like go like go forward and say if i don't like you i don't then all of a sudden like shy's birthday comes around she's like okay well happy birthday right in the middle of my really good speech

1:18:27Ronnie Karam: happy birthday shy he's like wow they sing happy birthday he's like uh thanks thanks guys uh really

1:18:35Ben Mandelker: wasn't expecting this meanwhile had no idea as we sat there two nights later during this panel had no idea that they'd had this this really kind of bad fight in the sense of like amira just learned that charlie said very hateful things about her behind her back and it's like really kind of a shattering fight and they were just all sitting up their panel like yeah it's been a great season so

1:18:58Ronnie Karam: far we're having like a lot of fun well charlie wasn't charlie was all slouched on the edge of the thing like oh with the sunglasses on yeah with the sunglasses yeah guess not yeah i'm not saying anything anyway uh fun episode thanks everybody for being here uh we'll be back tomorrow with some Real Housewives of Orange County. Talk to you guys later. Bye.

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