#3492 RHOA S17E18: Leaks and Tweaks

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2:26Ronnie Karam: Bravo headlines this evening. And today, Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 17, reunion part one.

2:36Ben Mandelker: Yes. Well, Atlanta always brings it for the reunion. This is no exception. And we begin with Andy going to Portia's dressing room. And she's feeling good about today. She's excited. It's like the pre-reunion, you know, like it's like the pre-show where he goes and says hi to everyone. And he's like, well, I kind of feel like it's possible for you to leave in a better place to pretty much everybody with the exception of Shamia. And she's like, yep, you'd be correct. Okay, great. Well, I will work my hardest to undermine that then.

3:09Ronnie Karam: And now we see Jarvis for the first time ever. Kelly's boyfriend, the teeth buyer, Jarvis. yes dun dun dun

3:22Ben Mandelker: we finally saw Jarvis and that was it was like a quick flash they had to stop the cameras they had to stop everything and then that was it so then someone's showing up everyone's showing up on the set the set is Scotland themed like their mansion so they all are wearing a lot of colors like greens and etc to match it and Kelly is wearing a crazy dress that has like these big fake pearls that sort of go around it up and around it at her it i i hate it

3:56Ronnie Karam: um so then we look like she's crawling out of a pearl hole you know a wire that goes all the way around her head and shamia is doing the same thing but not with pearls hers also has a giant collar that goes around her whole head so those two are still kind of copying each other i think well

4:16Ben Mandelker: It's the same designer, by the way, because very shortly Kelly says, I'm wearing Alina Gershon. I forget what it was. It's a Gina Gershon, whoever the lady was. So I looked her up. I was like, who designed this awful dress? Is this like a designer who is well-regarded, et cetera? I'm going to be like, it's Galia Baha, but whatever her name was. And everyone's going to come at me and be like, how could you make fun of this designer? She's so good. so I looked it up and on her Instagram at least as of last night I did not look it up today but it was so funny because Shamia's reunion dress is by the same designer and the designer put Shamia's look on her Instagram grid but did not put Kelly's I was like oh she did not like how it looked on Kelly or she was not proud of that dress that's for sure

5:08Ronnie Karam: yeah Shamia's definitely looked better I just wonder about all the stuff you're going to get that pearl thing going around her head caught on, you know?

5:17Ben Mandelker: She looked like she was in a basket, and that was the handle. It looked like her breasts were having a thought, and the thought bubble was on her back. It was like bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.

5:27Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm Andy Cohen, just hoping Mr. Clean and Papa Smurf don't catch any more strays today. Ha, ha. So we're going to find out today whether there was a plot and a plan or if it was a scheme that Todd set up.

5:47Ben Mandelker: So Andy goes around the horn like, Hi, Kelly. Hi, Shabia. And he gets to Phaedra. And we see that Phaedra had a full-on scene with Jasmine Crockett and they did not include it in the show. I was like, how do you not include that? That's like, she's like a major politician in this country. And that's also like something for Phaedra to do. They really did not give Phaedra much to do this season. And that would have been an actually, I think, interesting scene at least. And they just didn't even air that. That's crazy.

6:19Ronnie Karam: You know I love Jasmine Crockett. I went back to Texas just so I could be there in time to vote for my little Jasmine Crockett. I love her. And I know there's some, you know, every politician has problematic stuff. But I just love the way Jasmine Crockett goes in there and reads everybody for filth. It is iconic. iconic it's iconic i love her for it she'd be a great housewife yeah and i think that this was a

6:44Ben Mandelker: bit of a failure on bravo's part like she's also like she's like an important person and i think it would have been really cool to have seen that scene with porsha and jasmine crockett and i think i would have liked that instead of like most things that we've watched kelly do or shamia like how are we like how did they just cut that that's like i'm like i actually feel like it's kind of offensive, quite frankly. I don't know. Maybe it was political pressure to not have that footage, or maybe there was a mandate to not include politicians on the show or something, people who are running for office.

7:20Ben Mandelker: Who knows? There's all sorts of crazy shit with the FCC right now, the way the FCC has gone after ABC and CBS. Maybe Peacock wants to just, or NBC wants to stay out of it. But I think that's bullshit that they didn't show that scene in the main show.

7:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, they showed it here, so I just needed a little, you know, I was good with it. Yeah, it was great that they showed it. So we find out that Phrusha is going, not Phrusha, Phaedra is going to be running for office. And, you know, Heavenly is just at home like, I did it first. I did it first. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yep. How did Heavenly do in that? Is she still running?

8:00Ben Mandelker: Let's see. Heavenly times election results. she lost the democratic primary on may 19th 2026 that's the wow so according to ballot

8:13Ronnie Karam: keeping up with that yeah seriously she concedes dr heavenly kimes has conceded after losing her primary election coming in second place um she said they made history together supporters we made history. She came in second to rep Jasmine Clark out of a pool of six. Well, hey, out of six, that's not so bad.

8:42Ben Mandelker: Looks like she got what, 21 %? So that's actually pretty good. Yeah, Jasmine Clark got 61 ,000 votes and Heavenly got 23 ,000. So, you know, that's not nothing. I think for a first time winner.

9:06Ronnie Karam: For a first run. That's pretty good. First run. So then we say hi to Drew and talk about the work she's had done. She's like, oh, I've just got a little tweak here and there. Drew's had a facelift. It looks like. I think it's a facelift. And she looks great. It's like they just make it look so easy on these shows. It's like, oh, I just got a facelift. and I can just think, ow, the whole face, you know, we'll get a little thing here or there, and it's painful, and I'm still crying months later. I'm like, ow, why, God, why? And they're just like, oh, yeah, between the time we shot and now I've had a full facelift, and I'm fine.

9:46Ronnie Karam: Let's keep talking shit.

9:48Ben Mandelker: Well, Beyonce once said something that I think we can all relate with. Pretty hurts. so they say like oh wow Drew's also got a new booty because now she's got her booties as big as Porsche's and Drew's like well it's not leaking so that's good and Kim Michelle's like well her mouth is leaking so then more hellos hi Pinky hi Pinky I know that you are vegan but you had quite the meaty season ha ha ha how you feeling about your first season she goes she's like well it felt really good and I don't ever want to hear the B word again. And the only B word I want to talk about is the fact that I'm having a baby.

10:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she's pregnant. Everyone's like, oh my God. Her mom's mad about it, but she's thinking of naming her Bravisha. They're like, oh no, no, please don't. So before we dive in, we asked you to submit questions of your own regarding a fellow housewife that I'll be asking at some point tonight. Okay. Portia's like, hated it. So now we're talking about lesbian porn and lesbian porn experience conversations in Scotland. Angela, Phaedra, and Shamia, three of you have never had an experience with a woman, right?

11:12Ben Mandelker: And Angela's like, never. And Shamia says that she kissed a woman before. She's like in a movie. She goes, I even felt one up in a movie. So Andy is like, Drew, can you explain it? Can you please explain the pelvic floor situation? And so Drew walks us back through this wonderful moment on the show about the pelvic floor, about getting fingered by her physical therapist to keep the pelvic floor up and up

11:43Ronnie Karam: and where it belongs. Yeah, I still, you know, I'm still as perplexed as I was the first time. Drew's one of those people that you shouldn't ask questions that you really need answers to. Because, you know, it doesn't really make much more sense the second time. So first, a special viewer question. Phaedra Parks from Atlanta wants to know, Drew, with all the recent controversies surrounding Black and his big white teeth, do you still want to be the love of his life? and I didn't get that but we see a headline that says entrepreneur black tatted hit with lawsuits from three women claiming he turned their loans into luxury living you guys that is honestly the most shocking thing I've heard in a long time on out black is using women for their money no I never saw that coming I can't believe

12:37Ben Mandelker: it what is this world coming to now it's a shock so uh yeah so phaedra is like do you still want to be chomped on by black and she's like she's like oh my god phaedra and k michelle's like chomped and scammed so yeah apparently uh black has been scamming people which i can't believe he found someone like drew in his life and um but she is saying you know for the record there's been no chomping on but you know i look forward to continuing to build a good friendship with black you know and they're like like no that's not a friendship okay we know something's going on with you and him and you said that you loved

13:20Ronnie Karam: him it's like what what she's giving that innocent face like what are you guys talking about so um shimmy is like yeah you said that you loved him she said well i never said i was in love though which is very different than loving someone being in love with someone i feel it's another level Oh, we just aren't there yet. Isn't that backwards? Isn't it where you're in love with someone and then you fall in love with somebody? And then when you're sick of each other, you say, I love you, but I'm not still in love with you. Yeah, exactly.

13:55Ben Mandelker: And he's like, did you consummate your relationship? And she's like, no, we have not. I mean, everything is new. I mean, I sit before you just a few days, freshly divorced officially. So everyone claps for her. And Kim Michelle's like, that means I had sex. He never poked a hoe. And Pedro's like, has he given you physical therapy? So Drew is still denying everything. And she's like, you know, I have kids. And I think coming out of my marriage, I'm like looking at someone also that could possibly, you know, meet my children one day. obviously drew had whatever relationship she has with black she's obviously trying to hide it because of whatever custody issues she's going through with with ralph that's my suspicion

14:40Ronnie Karam: yeah and k michelle's like well he ain't he ain't the one to mean them kids life they're gonna be running from the police that's not the one for the kids at all and kelly starts cracking up and she's like um but you know when i have my man he's gonna be sitting right behind me on this stage Okay. Okay. I just can't wait.

14:58Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, Drew, it's been reported that black is facing some legal issues. What can you tell us about that? She says, well, it is just devastating because he is such a good guy. He's a successful business owner doing amazing things in our community. Have you ever seen someone give hookahs to the poor? Thank God for black.

15:18Ronnie Karam: You know, it turns out hookahs make you less hungry. So he's really, really helping.

15:24Ben Mandelker: He's been an active member of the Leave No Child Behind program. And we've had to answer the question, why are children bringing hookahs to school? And we just say, why not?

15:36Ronnie Karam: He's in charge of the community program. Leave behind a hookah. And it's really, really helped, Andy. It really helped.

15:47Ronnie Karam: So Andy's like, well, Drew's saying, well, it's so devastating. He's just such a good person. and Andy asked Kay what her reaction to the news about black is. And she's like, well, that's why I don't want to be connected with black. Because one thing we do know about black is he takes advantage of black women and does take their money and do things like that. And she's like, that is a heavy allegation. There has been no evidence provided, okay? And she's like, uh-huh. There has been a lot of evidence provided, though, Drew. She's like, well, it sounds like you've been talking to people behind the scenes And I know that you did an endorsement deal for one of the people that's saying that.

16:25Ronnie Karam: So you've been paid to say this, Kay Michelle.

16:29Ben Mandelker: Drew accusing Kay Michelle of talking to people behind the scenes. And her evidence for that is that Drew herself has been talking to people behind the scenes about Kay Michelle's endorsement.

16:40Ronnie Karam: It's so silly. And so they're talking over each other nonstop. And she's like, well, you got an endorsement deal with somebody and that's why you're talking about it. And Kay takes everything kind of the wrong way. And she's like, uh-uh. I didn't do a hookah. I don't smoke no hookah. I got a voice. I sing. I don't smoke a hookah. Because she's taking it like you're accusing me of smoking a hookah. And Drew's saying, no, I'm saying the people who filed a lawsuit against them, you did a collaboration for. And she's like, well, nobody gave me a hookah. And nobody's given me a hookah. And I smoked one.

17:18Ben Mandelker: it's not the argument i don't do that and then drew's like but you have an endorsement deal she's like for skin care she's like so that's the person she actually filed the lawsuit against him that's the person we're talking about so what i'm saying is it sounds like you've been gossiping behind the scenes to even know that because like no one saw this coming until it hit the internet and kelly is uh you know kelly's just muttering on the side and k michelle's like like it's it's a lot of people that said that that are being sued that that are saying okay it's a whole that there was a whole shade room thing the layout that they did so drew's like but you for for you to say that that that just told me everything i needed to know i'm like do you guys even know what you're arguing about anymore it's that black is a scammer yeah i literally don't because they're arguing they seem

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20:46Ben Mandelker: No, that's just the name of the store he's in right now. It's men's fashion store. They sell ties. Yeah, uh-huh. This is Rich PayPal, man.

20:54Ronnie Karam: And I never heard of a man being rich on PayPal. What?

20:59Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know. K. Michelle says things that I don't always understand, but I feel like I appreciate the sentiment behind them and what she's trying for enough that they always make me laugh. I was like, I don't get it, but I'm laughing.

21:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Drew's like, you better be cautious for your own karma not to regurgitate laws. But honestly, when you put that on me, it was tried to put on me that I knew black, and I did not need to have that put upon me. She's like, I didn't though. She goes, yeah, you did, Drew. But you have no evidence because that never happened because you always do stuff off camera, Drew. It's always off camera, okay? And we come on this show and then when we come up on this show and then Drew pulls out a clacker, you know, like a scene clacker from a movie and just pulls it out from behind her chair and starts clacking it and going, cut, cut.

21:50Oh God.

21:52Ronnie Karam: Why do I love Drew? Andy loves it. and i feel like if anybody else did this i would be screaming at the tv but with drew i'm like yes

22:00Ben Mandelker: that's prop yeah it was good and he loved it he loved it as a prop he's like that round of applause for drew that was a great use of a prop amazing so uh yeah i came to show i was like okay this is your moment get a girl this is your moment get your girl get your moment girl so then uh and Portia's like, yeah, that prop really landed. They're all like complimenting her on her prop work. That was a really good one. I say this as someone who was part of a scene whose prop changed the history of props on reunions.

22:31Ronnie Karam: Round of applause for Drew, everybody. That was pretty fun. So let's see. So Shamia's like, can I ask a question? Did you invest in Black's business as well? And did he take money from you? And she's like, absolutely not. That's another lie. Everybody knows I'm broke. I mean, we're on the blog. So to carry on narratives that are written in this sisterhood, we are sisters in a sisterhood and we need to stop.

22:59Ben Mandelker: Kelly's like, yeah, says the person who took a camera to my clothes store and tried to put it on blast. Then we see the video of Drew being like, look at Kelly's store. Nana's waffles is closed.

23:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but in Drew's defense, she's saying you guys are regurgitating things from the blog. And that wasn't an example of Drew regurgitating a blog. She was making content. She actually showed up to the restaurant herself. That was more like investigative journalism. So it's not the same thing.

23:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And she basically is the Leslie Stahl of Atlanta. Yeah. S-T-A-L-L.

23:47Ben Mandelker: she's just stalled out um so anyway all the time like what i don't even know what you're talking about she's a regular koki roberts r.i.p um anyway where were we um so drew getting mad at kelly about um kelly getting mad at you for doing that and drew's like but you came from my music first and Like, you can't be mad when you get smoke and then don't get mad. And then, like, don't be mad if I play a better game than you. And Kelly's like, I'm not mad about it. Let me tell you, I'm, like, very successful. Look at me. Would a non-successful person have a string of suspended pearls going over their head like the gateway to the Midwest?

24:24Ben Mandelker: I don't think so.

24:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Kelly's like, I've even put your song in some of my videos online, so I don't know what you're talking about. Like, yeah, Delulu. Okay. And Drew says, that's flip floppy. okay shakali shakali because you're basically a couple shimmy and kelly

24:43Ben Mandelker: and kelly's like why is she kelly and angela angela goes i have to agree which is so funny that angela's like judge angela has weighed in i side with drew so kelly is like okay p drew ski with the P Willie special stop it. Okay. Drew, Drew, Drew Bucks. See, cuz you drink Starbucks. See, you can have a couple name too. See works both ways.

25:14Ronnie Karam: Kelly just tries. You gotta hand it to Kelly for just trying so hard all the time and just putting so much energy into it and really just failing but you know she's giving it her all that's for sure she does so andy is like um arizona from arizona's says drew you really shared you recently shared you had a procedure done and the fans are saying that you look like one of your fellow housewives porsha and porsha what do you say and kelly's like that's the piece special that's what i'm talking

25:48Ben Mandelker: about okay kelly it was hilarious yeah um and portia's like i will say this drew has always wanted to get something done to herself and everybody in atlanta does something to this stuff and the camera's like yeah i've had a lot of falls baby me too yeah and everyone everyone's talking about how they want to have a new ass etc and she's like you know like you know she she knows she's she has a natural pancake over there so they're all going on they're talking back and forth about like the butt and but they're also being like but you look good you look really good you look good you look good and drew's like you know i shared my journey to inspire women and it's okay i don't think we should body shame anyone or make them feel bad for doing it which is then k is like yeah but you just sat there and mentioned a leaky booty like you made a direct

26:37Ronnie Karam: reference to me you just saw you just opened talking about a leaky booty now what it's like okay but you know nobody blamed me for putting it out there for hers i mean it won't land i'm just letting you guys know don't body shame women and porsche's like yeah everybody has a body it's my favorite porsche uh so andy asks if drop it with drew's gonna come back and porsche's like it's called maintain with drew you. Hmm. Rolls right off the tongue.

27:09Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, uh, Joan from actress who was in face off Alan says, Angela, you had a lot to say about Shamia's body this season. Are you jealous of her body? Wow. We are still talking about bodies on, on this show. So Angela's like, first of all, I've always paid Shamia compliments before I will be jealous of anybody. There's a long list before I'll make it to Shamia.

27:41Ronnie Karam: Shamia's like, okay, well, I fill your mind. That's for sure. I stay on your mind, so I guess I'd just love to know why. I mean, are you calling her BBL Drew now because you called me BBL Shamia? And Angela's like, I said the bitch wanted us to see her BBL. I mean, I didn't say BBL Shamia. Don't put words in my mouth. You do that a lot. You do that a lot.

28:05Ben Mandelker: Like, same difference, girl. No, I said, bitch, no. The bitch one, that's probably a little worse. You know, actually, because that thing's a little bit harder. She goes, it does. It landed. She goes, I don't have a BBL. I definitely got lipo in my waist, but not a BBL.

28:21Ronnie Karam: Okay, so liar. Okay. So now, you guys. Okay. It's been half the episode. Let's move away from plastic surgery. Just kidding. So now there's another question. about Kelly posting pre-surgery pictures of Drew online. And Kelly's like, well, I don't even follow Drew, but you know, it came across my timeline and I just, it was the before and after. So I just, you know, whatever, shout out to the doctor. I mean, whoever did the work did an absolutely amazing job. You look great now, Drew.

28:58Ben Mandelker: And Portia's like, why are we shaming a natural body? and Drew's like yeah what are we doing and K. Michelle's like well there's a lot of things that have been shamed up here and Kelly's like well we've all been shamed for something and Portia's like well she had a baby so of course she may have a little bit of a pooch you know so then Kelly Kelly's like I had babies I had four of them so shout out to Lindsay Hubbard because mom card is about to get played a few times by Kelly and you know she's really trying to play that mom card and no one really cares it's hilarious because she keeps on saying, I've pushed out four babies, four babies.

29:34Ben Mandelker: And they all look at her like, we don't care. We all have babies too.

29:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's like, well, I never got my body done though. The only thing I got done was my boobs. And Drew says, you should get them undone. And so they start laughing, but you guys are literally fighting about body shaming.

29:51Ben Mandelker: I know, Drew just said, we should be body shaming anyone. And now she's like, get your boobs undone because they're botched. so then but kelly's like well i was breastfeeding four children four children just want to get that in there that she's still trying to make that card work yeah she goes but this was your second

30:10Ronnie Karam: surgery drew okay so it's not surgery shaming it's like the number of surgeries listen the first one's usually not the last for any of us okay so cut the crap also your housewives this is just so natural to get your face done. I don't know why we're still fighting about this halfway through the show. So then, okay, Globe from Trotters say, the newbies in the group, what was your favorite moment of the season? And Pinky laughs and she says, my favorite was getting told off by Angela. And so we see that again. And they all crack up that she's got a good sense of humor about it. And then we go to Portia's fake dating storyline.

30:55Ronnie Karam: Dun, dun, dun.

30:57Ben Mandelker: Yes, here we go. So it's between Mike and Sway. And Portia was saying, you know, she didn't realize the impact of, like, this whole thing. And, you know, she talks about Sway and I genuinely think that like Portia seems happier than we've ever seen her before. It does seem like a difference in like her vibe. I think this is, I think Portia has reached like her natural state. I think that maybe like she was, she was barking up the wrong trees and she just seems really, really happy. And she explains how what's nice is that like with men, men are competitive and they don't want to be outshone. shown so like she Portia's like naturally more submissive in a relationship but then like she can't be like her full Portia-dom because the men feel insecure but with Sway like the gender roles aren't there like that and it's like she can just be her true self which I think is wonderful and I love this for her

32:01Ronnie Karam: and even Miss Diane approves and says she would approve of a marriage

32:07Ben Mandelker: I loved actually when she said I'm sorry, but I loved when she said something along the lines of like, I just, you know, what I feel like is that I'm about to just ascend. I was like, that is, that's profound. I thought that was like a really lovely thing to say. Like you're in a relationship where you're so happy. Like, I feel like I'm just, I'm going to ascend. That was great.

32:30Ronnie Karam: Hmm. That's Portia. Profound. Profundity. That's like the common thing that everybody says about Portia. That was profound. It is nice, though, to see her happy. So then Andy is like, Shamia, what do you think of this? And she's like, well, I'm very happy for Portia. I want Portia to be loved and find love. And there's something to be said for having family support. And, you know, happy pride, Portia. Happy pride. And Portia's like, whatever. She ignores her.

33:07Ben Mandelker: Oh, okay, cool. Well, garlic from not says Drew. You told Portia she's living your life. Was that your way of admitting that you were dating a woman?

33:21Ben Mandelker: The question that's on all of America's mind.

33:25Ronnie Karam: And Kelly is like, oh, she does everything she does. She says, you know, going through what I'm going through, there are things that I see in some ladies, which I share with Kelly, too. Like I'm inspired to see how they're moving on. and that's what I meant. And Portia's like, yeah, that's all she meant. And Kelly says, she wants to be swayed to the other side.

33:51It's just, it's the pearls.

33:55Ben Mandelker: It's too much. So Andy is like, he's like, well, that divorce is vitalized. How are you and Ralph getting along? And Drew's saying, well, you know, know it's all very fresh and like i can say like at the point you just get tired of fighting like we're just like we're just like really trying to focus on our kids right now it's like okay and i read that ralph has the primary custody during the school year do you want to cry right now i will

34:20Ronnie Karam: keep asking you questions until you cry and she's like well we are in a lawsuit so i cannot discuss that and they're like phaedra and phaedra is like the great explainer today every time something comes up, Phaedra's like, well, here's how it works. Whoever the primary custodial parent is, is due child support. Thank you for joining Phaedra. Law with Phaedra. And Portia's like, yeah, like mine, I'm primary. You know, 265 days a year. They laugh. It's a Portia classic line.

34:54Ben Mandelker: Throwback.

34:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Tris from Kit says, Ralph posted about being happy about the divorce settlement. Portia, what do you think of Ralph thanking Dennis for helping him find his lawyer, Precious? And we see a shady text saying at Dennis, thank you for connecting me with Precious. She did everything you said she would just like she helped you get joint physical custody.

35:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and Portia is like... Yeah, that is a prick move, especially for a guy who is like trying to fashion himself as an expert in being a step-parent and you're writing these nasty things and Portia was like well tell him he can kiss my ass cause he actually tried to make it seem like Dennis had to fight me for Pilar's time and I thought that was nasty as hell um which is true like don't drag that shit into your like no you don't do that and so um alright well we from Thins says Kelly you referred to Portia's home as Simon's house are you jealous that she received a better divorce settlement than you and I'd also like to add ha ha

35:58Ronnie Karam: ha Kelly says, I would never be jealous. And Portia's like, you shouldn't worry about Simon's house when you're living in Shemia's house. She goes, now, wait a minute. Hold up, honey boo boo. And she's like, why are you worried about Simon's house? And she's like, hold up, honey boo boo. Let's be very clear. I stayed in Shemia's house for two weeks until my home was ready. She goes, yeah, but you were out of your house. And that's the point. She's like, I chose to be out of my house.

36:27Ben Mandelker: it's like no also please don't steal Karen Huger's tagline let me be very clear I feel like she's the one who gets to say that I mean I know it's not necessarily associated with her like it's not officially her line and everyone can say that but honestly I think if you're on Bravo that's for Karen to say let me be very clear about this Giselle so Kelly is like yeah I was only there for two weeks so let's not get wild over this and

36:55Ronnie Karam: So Portia's like, well, you call it Simon's house, but I've been paying for it and maintaining it. And she goes, well, I'm glad you're paying Simon's bills then. And she's like, you shouldn't be discrediting women while you're looking for support. You just were making fun of her for losing her house. That's true.

37:11Ben Mandelker: But then Kelly's like, is your name on the deed? Is your name on the deed? And Portia's like, what are you talking about? She's like, is your name on the deed? Is your name? I pay the bills. Is your name on the deed? I pay the bills. so basically clearly Portia does not own this house but who cares it's still her house as far as I know

37:29Ronnie Karam: she does now

37:32Ronnie Karam: she won it in the court battle so now Andy's like okay stop fighting please and Kelly's like I live in my house don't worry about me why don't you sell a house and Angela's like wait a minute I live in a 2 million plus house what about why are you coming for me she's like goes just sell a house there because there was just a foreclosure and she's like oh i don't have to sell a house that i'm still good portia's like you literally got kicked out of your townhouse kelly what do you kelly does have big stones she does so then eventually

38:09Ben Mandelker: angela just started saying i i didn't i didn't borrow money from gary you did baby and he's like who's gary kelly's like yeah who's gary gary's suing you babe bam baby so andy's just like whatever it's like what baby you got twenty thousand dollars twenty thousand losses gary's suing you and finally andy gets the little the little clapper board and he's like cut cut cut really great prop even i'm using it great job drew another round of applause for drew and her prop

38:40Ronnie Karam: work everyone i love that angela's always got some new man to be bringing into some mess like

38:46Ben Mandelker: you're being sued by gary baby she does i i she's really good at just this george gary june bug

38:56Ronnie Karam: she's just gonna pull out a name you never know what's gonna be it is um gary l toliver who filed a Fulton County lawsuit in 2026 claiming Kelly owes over 63K on unpaid personal and business loans intended for her restaurant Nana's Chicken and Waffles.

39:17Ben Mandelker: Well, Portia made things official with Sway, but was anyone else here shocked when Portia made this announcement? And K. Michelle was shocked. You know, and she's like, because I was trying to push her, you know, to like, Mike, because like, Portia's gonna have like a new baby, and like, she likes you, and like, you know, she had to pull me up to the side and say like, hey, I don't like him like that, okay? And he was like, yeah, I mean, he did say that he loved you, was that the first time you had heard that? And Portia's like, yeah, because he said that he had told his dad about me, and like, that he like has been falling in love with me for a long time, and that's when I was like, okay, I need to make a decision.

39:58Ben Mandelker: I'm like, but it was all funny.

40:03Ben Mandelker: like i don't understand like we are still trying to make us believe that you guys have you guys actually hung out outside of the camera time that he was in love with you because i don't believe

40:14Ronnie Karam: it yeah well you know porsche's gonna storyline that's for sure yeah mike got upset because she announced on instagram and you know that was the wrong way to do it and now the question is to Phaedra for saying in her confessional that Portia wouldn't be dating a broke person or like she'll date someone as long as they have money in the bank. And Phaedra's like, well, I don't believe Portia's going to date a broke person because who would? But Portia and Swig, I love their relationship. And we've gone on double dates. And Andy says, who is the fourth? And Kelly's like, was it a female or a male?

40:50Who cares? Like, this cast being like, oh my God,

40:55Ronnie Karam: We're so proud of Portia. This is amazing. Portia's out of the closet and still trying to diss each other constantly. Was it a woman?

41:02Ben Mandelker: Well, she also said, you two dated the same guy at one point. Who was that? And basically, it was Mike. Phaedra and Portia both dated Mike at different times. And they were going to not bring it up. But, you know, it came out. And Andy, it's so funny. And Andy goes, okay, well, I mean, that would have been interesting to hear during the season. He's like, hey, you're on this show. You're supposed to be sharing stuff. That way you could have had a storyline this season instead of just, you know, holding a Reiki class and blowing on a recorder.

41:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then Kay Michelle brings it around to herself. She's like, oh, yeah, she's just going to keep a little nugget in her pocket. You know, that's how I feel. I feel like if we're going to be friends, you should tell me. Portia's like, but she did tell me. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Because, like, when it came to me and you, Portia, I feel like we're coming into a friend group and we're being friends. And you know this man is here. Nosh. We find out that this is the man that K. Michelle has been upset that Portia also dated one time. And she's like, yeah, you know, he's telling me that y 'all are dating.

42:12Ronnie Karam: And then I felt like that put a barrier in that friendship. And, you know, I wanted that friendship to grow. And she's like, hey, Michelle, you're a married woman. why would I tell you about somebody that I dated in the past? Like, I don't even talk to that guy anymore.

42:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But gay Michelle has, like, whipped herself into a frenzy again. And she's like, I hear you say that you're not dating him. So, like, that's, I get what you're saying and everything. And, like, you're just like, I don't know. Like, that's where I should have, like, learned from the season. Because I don't listen to no man about what's going on. I mean, if I was bringing you into something, and I know what's under the room that you had encountered with, I would have said, hey, you know what? Like, I know you don't know what's going on, but this is a messy bitch. You should know about this.

42:50Ben Mandelker: Portia's like, I don't. Like, why would I bring this up? I'm not. There's no reason for me to bring this up with you. She's like, well, that's probably about. That's just a lot. Like, you should tell me all this. Okay, Michelle whipping herself into a frenzy again.

43:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And it's even weirder because later in the episode, they're like, where did you hear that from, Kay Michelle? She's like, Nosh. Okay, so you're still talking to Nosh. But you're mad that Portia dated her. Whatever. so she's like and you're trying to get me and now you're dealing with some man and she's like stop saying dealing with the man what are you talking about it's like well there's probably about four of them so let me just pick which one i'm talking about and portia's like oh yeah there's there's four there's four more came and shells than that which one am i dealing with right now

43:39Ben Mandelker: she goes let me decide um so uh you know portia's like you know and also like you know you go online and you say, you know, you say, fuck me in an interview. She's basically like, you know, we do a scene and everything's fine. And then you talk shit about me behind my back. And he came in, she goes, you're hurt by that. She goes, well, I don't give a fuck about it. She goes, okay, well, then let it go. She goes, no, what I'm saying is it's like, oh, like I still, I'm going to keep my eye on her. And I was like, okay, whatever, you know? So she's just like, I don't understand why you do this. You're like, oh, I never meant to insult you.

44:13Ben Mandelker: I never meant to hurt you. I would never like use your miscarriage against you. and you said, like, you know, I said that and you got upset at me, basically.

44:24Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, you say, well, thank you for telling me that. And then you go right back online again. Like, like I said, you didn't almost die. It's like, who am I dealing with? Is it the one that forgives or the one that doesn't forgive? And she's like, you can't even pay attention to what you were being fed in that interview. I did not go in on you. Okay. now you know you're pretending that i'm sitting there bashing you that's what he did that's what he did nosh did that he led you right into that wait is she saying nosh here or the interview

44:54Ben Mandelker: she's probably basically they're sort of like relitigating all this stuff and at one point k michelle sort of i think gets to i think the thing that annoyed her which is that when portia said oh my god was it a miscarriage she was like it wasn't but what if it had been like that would have been like really insensitive to say she was like you could have hurt me so um well that was

45:18Ronnie Karam: tacky as fuck for portia to say that but you know you guys got over this so long ago it's like why and portia's saying but i'm someone who's been through that and when i heard you say that was my first thought like i didn't know there was a leaky butt what do you want from me and basically

45:37Ben Mandelker: Kay Michelle just is like, your PR training is off. And Portia's like, I don't do PR training. I'm just like being me. You know, whatever. And she's like, I've lived. I have lived. So I don't need PR because I've lived. Oh, you've lived a lot of lives. You've lived a lot of them. She goes, and so is your body. And she goes, oh, okay. She goes, okay. Okay, well, you need to close your glory hole. That's what you need to do. Close that mouth and all the things that come up in it.

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47:20Ronnie Karam: so portia who is just railing against body shaming is like your body's had a lot of lives so um now they're fighting about glory holes and uh now everybody's just confused because it's nonsensical and so k michelle's like well the thing about it is we know about you honey and porsche's like oh please you stop getting to know me when you started getting to know kelly shimia and pinky so whatever we all saw it happen bye yeah and uh and just like okay well

47:52Ben Mandelker: we're gonna get to kate's feelings of scorn and betrayal and plotting in just a little bit so now let's get to the k michelle segment where we're gonna talk about her feelings of scorn and betrayal and plotting i was like okay nice delay there so then um k michelle is saying how it's all been like an experience and she she knew that coming on the show there'd be a lot of arguing but um she didn't know that by the end of the season she would i think feel some affection towards towards

48:22Ronnie Karam: a bunch of them yeah so um they're talking about uh her man wearing underwear under his scrubs and she talks about cheating she says well i would never break up with him because of cheating because I've caught him cheating and he's caught me doing some things. And we've taken breaks, but I'm never going to leave him over cheating. And Andy says, so is that an open relationship? And it's like, no, because I don't need to know. All men cheat.

48:49Ben Mandelker: So then Andy's kind of like, wow, are you a gay man? So, yeah, he's like, yeah, you know what? He's like, I do think that gay men have a little bit more relaxed attitude about sex and everything. And, you know, Portia's like, wait, are you saying that you're in an open relationship also? He's like, what? Am I on the couch? What? That's crazy. So anyway, Kay Michelle's just like.

49:17Ronnie Karam: This is the interesting part in this is Kay Michelle's kind of thinking behind like the open relationship is she's like, well, you know, the women up here, we do so much. Like we go through all these surgeries. And so if we're going to go through all these surgeries, there's repercussions. Like there's healing time and then there's all this stuff and that guy's going to be horny. So if I'm going to be getting surgeries all the time, I have to like, you know, accept the fact that he's going to go fuck other women. I was like, what? That's a beer line of logic. That is such an odd line of logic, but you know, whatever works for you.

49:55Ben Mandelker: And then Shamia is, and she's like, yeah, we do all this stuff to our bodies and there's repercussions. And Shamia goes, absolutely. And I mean, we all have our disses. And when we go back and forth, and Drew, when you said that K. Michelle was leaking, I feel like that was hurtful. So Shamia just jumping in and turning it back into that whole thing. She's like, you were taking a shot at her. And Angela's like, Shamia, you're the last person who should talk about anybody. She's like, I'm not talking to you. I'll get to you later. She goes, well, I'm talking to you because you said it to Drew, and now I'm talking to you.

50:28Ben Mandelker: Well, I just feel like that's the thing in this friend group. The double standard is like how one person can say something.

50:38Ronnie Karam: Angela's like, see, this is like the cease and desist. You know, I can't say that. And she goes, oh, we'll talk about that. So Shamia's like, you see, it's like how she just jumped in. Nobody's talking to her. Exactly, Shamia, nobody was talking to you.

50:53Ben Mandelker: That's the whole point. Exactly. um you know so this this goes on for a little bit and k michelle says it's been um very surface with drew they have very surface relationship and drew's like i'm gonna be honest with you like when you were coming to the group i didn't know you kimberly and i was looking forward to getting to know you so i put everything that i ever heard aside just to experience you and from day one you were coming for me for things that i still don't have answers about and that's kind of true i will say in drew's defense k michelle was k michelle was punching down on drew from the very beginning now was it entertaining to me absolutely but drew does sort of have a point on this i think

51:35Ronnie Karam: yeah k michelle's really fun to watch and i love her personality and she makes me laugh a lot but she's off her rocker most of the time like her her fights and everything she picks with people are just looney tunes like this whole thing she going back and forth with porsche didn't even make any sense and i love that porsha just kept going anyway like well just because you're not going to make sense doesn't mean i'm going to give this up so um k michelle's like stop being a victim drew no one's bullying you you are not the victim here but of course then k michelle is going to go on to complain about how she's always bullied and bullied by women and stuff like that so now the story your michelle you're sorry k michelle your story about cosmetic surgery really resonated with Fancy.

52:18Ronnie Karam: Okay, guys, it's almost an entire hour about people's plastic surgeries.

52:23Ben Mandelker: Well, in this case, Andy is like, why didn't you see this person? And she's like, yeah, I knew he was unlicensed and I did it anyway. And they talk about how there's like a lot of like underground procedures that happen in Atlanta.

52:36Ronnie Karam: I'm here to explain. It's me, Phaedra, the explainer. A lot of people in Atlanta will go to unlicensed doctors to get their fillers. And, you know, you see a celebrity do it, you think it's going to work out, but then it doesn't. Thank you. This has been a Phaedra Law Corner. Yeah.

52:57Ben Mandelker: And K. Michelle basically is like, yeah, celebrities went to the sky and everything. And so, you know, and if a celebrity does it, it usually means it's okay to do yourself. So, and then Andy's like, well, okay, you did have a Rocky star. I mean, by the end of the season, and you seem to trust the ladies more. What do you take away from this experience? So she says that she's learning how to socialize with women and, you know, like, you know, you have to put yourself in situations that show if you can really forgive and move forward and something like that this show has done for her. And Phaedra's like, yeah.

53:35Ben Mandelker: It's me, Phaedra, to explain things. K.

53:39Ronnie Karam: Michelle has had bad experiences with women, which can lead to PTSD. And when you come into this type of platform, you can be triggered. Thank you. So Phaedra Lockhorn. Phaedra just popping in every once in a while to explain what's going on was cracking me up. So he asked what she would have done differently. And she said, I would have allowed for things to take place instead of trying to get in front of them. And I would have not listened to what outsiders were telling me about, you know, what are you huffing and puffing about over there? And she's like, because your experiences were altered because you're listening to somebody else, you know, and I felt like everybody was against me for a few years.

54:22Ronnie Karam: And then there was someone new here and I was like, this is great. I have like a fresh start with somebody. It's like, well, you know, there was nothing. No, there was nothing. No one up here could do and move me any type of way.

54:37Ben Mandelker: yeah and so she has regrets that she came in pretty paranoid and i think portia was being she was like it's sad it's just sad that this is your journey you know um so everyone's like yeah that is sad like well you know if you knew people wouldn't that be normal for them to be like hey what's it to you on k michelle by the way because um you know k michelle was upset that some people talk to bloggers and ask about bloggers and everything and or that like portia may have done that. So, okay, Michelle's like, yeah, I mean, I didn't call people to say, how is Portia behind the scenes? How is Phaedra?

55:10Ben Mandelker: I didn't do that. It's like, yeah, but like, can you tell us the people who were doing that? She's like, well, I got stuff from Nosh. And even, and they receive also a hairdresser. And I know this group about this friendship and like, we just can't sit up here and act like people don't go pull things on each other. I'm like, but if you're talking to Nosh and you're talking to the hairdresser about what people said to you, that also means that you're talking to them about what other people are doing. I hate, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Like you can't complain about other people checking in on them when you yourself are.

55:37Ben Mandelker: But if you're receiving the information, you're complicit in the in the off camera chatter.

55:43Ronnie Karam: But also to go through this whole season of her being like, oh, my God, you were saying that you're going to plot and plan. You're going to do this whole thing about me. And then for it to turn out that someone that Portia asked Nosh like, oh, what's the tea with K. Michelle? Like, what's she like? That's not weird. for if i know someone new is coming in you ask you ask people like oh have you heard of her what's her deal so to find out that it's also innocent and it's made her this nuts the whole season is really weird and so andy's like okay um uh you the twitter the viewers see it as you having a problem and then running off on twitter and you know starting shit on twitter and she's like well i'll definitely own that i've had more experiences off camera than on camera but for over 10 years any thoughts of random situations within me i've i've tweeted them good bad you know there's no change but i guess instead of tweeting i should have just sat there you know yeah and andy's like

56:45Ben Mandelker: well you seem really sensitive i mean why did you take porsche's miscarriage comment to shading her and i guess this is where she was like you know what what would have happened if i did have a miscarriage. It would have been terrible. And Portia's like, yeah, but I have gone through that myself. Okay, this is a safe space. It was safe for you. And she's like, well, it's my first time being with Phaedra and Cynthia, and the first thing that comes out of the random people on the other side of the wall is like, do you have a miscarriage? And Portia's like, but I represent the March of Dimes. My daughter's a rainbow baby.

57:16Ben Mandelker: But she's like, I apologize. I really, really apologize. I never meant it to be that way. And K. Michelle accepts it. And she goes, you know, and in that moment, you know, when I'm speaking about it, I was speaking about what it was like, how I felt in that moment. And then they're like, oh, so when you're tweeting, you're just tweeting as if you're back in that moment. You're not responding in present day. She's like, yeah, I just pretend I'm back in that moment when I tweet. Everyone's like, oh, we didn't realize that.

57:42Ronnie Karam: Portia's like, oh, so you're saying you were tweeting like you were in the confessionals. And Andy's like, yeah, can I give you some advice? Don't do that. Don't do that. Everyone was confused. It is kind of normal, though, when the show's airing, everybody kind of relitigates on Twitter, whatever they're pissed off about. It's just that hers go off the rails. You know, what are you even talking about? So Andy brings up another question. Saul from Teen says, K. Michelle, do you ever feel like you rushed into making friends with Shamia, Kelly, and Pinky and didn't give the other ladies a chance?

58:16Ronnie Karam: And she goes, well, golly.

58:20Ben Mandelker: so she's like well i mean i feel like when i had to go to the hospital she was the first one to show up i mean i don't know that porsche was on her way and porsche's like well i should have put the pedal onto the motherfucking metal then sorry so she's like no i still would have loved them for who they are and i always try to take up for someone that i feel like people you know they're bullied because you know she feels teamed up on and it was like against what well she feels like

58:45Ronnie Karam: things are going on i'm just trying to stand as a real friend you know and shamiya says i never asked you to she's well she didn't ask me anything that she's my character um so drew sidora has a question for shamiya uh drew wants to know what exactly was your intention in telling k michelle the women didn't want to be friends with her do you realize that kind of comment can influence someone's perception before they've even had a chance to meet the group and shamiya's like okay Yes, but the women Kay is speaking about are not part of the friend group. So see what? So why are you guys making it sound like it was people in the group?

59:25Ben Mandelker: Okay, so we got a very helpful email from someone today who was like, let me help you guys with some context about Kay Michelle and like her whole situation with love and hip hop, which is that she was basically antagonized by Rashida who was on Love and Hip Hop and who was on to the beginning. She was like one of the OGs of Love and Hip Hop. And they feuded for a long time. And when K. Michelle said that she was in an abusive relationship, that Rashida not only didn't believe K. Michelle, she took the boyfriend's side and went out of her way to make K. Michelle look like she was lying. and uh but k michelle was proven to be like what she was saying was not a lie whatsoever but rashida never apologized and still double down and rashida is friends with uh is friends with candy and that's caused some complications here and so uh and so uh the women that k and shamia are referring to at the end of tonight's reunion episode this is the quote from the quote from the The women that Kay and Shamia refer to at the end of tonight's reunion episode, that's Rashida here.

1:00:44Ben Mandelker: And so that's what informs all this. And thank you for anticipating that we'd be getting to this part of the reunion and be like, but what? Thank you for filling in the gaps.

1:00:55Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm interested what she was saying because Shamia says, you know, I wasn't talking about these ladies. I was talking about the other group of ladies that K. Michelle felt traumatized with all that time ago. And Candy hangs out with them. And I was going to go hang out with Candy. And I'm also friends with those ladies. So that's why I was saying none of that group wants me to be friends with you. But why would the show make it sound like this was all, you know, Kelly or whoever, whoever on this cast making it say it? It just seems like kind of pulling wool over our eyes. And, you know. Yeah.

1:01:30Ronnie Karam: so Andy is this it's a whole group of other people it's a profound question um so Andy

1:01:37Ben Mandelker: is like well Shamia let me ask you this in a recent interview you said that there were some off-camera events that happened between you and Kay Michelle what happened and Shamia's like I'll let Kay speak on it so Kay is like well you're the one who ran and told she's like no you're the one who ran and told she said I didn't no you did I didn't you did okay well I feel like this is about to open a huge can of worms. So we're going to take a quick break and Cynthia Bailey, Miss Cheekbones, will be here when we get back. Cynthia Bailey! To be continued. So Cynthia Bailey is our cliffhanger. What is Cynthia going to say about this can of worms?

1:02:16Ben Mandelker: T-B-A-C.

1:02:18Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here with us. We will talk to you next time. Have a good one. Bye. Bye.

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1:03:32Ronnie Karam: Yes, we canna. It's Savannah.

1:03:35Ben Mandelker: Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge. Darn Skippy, it's Tippi.

1:03:41Ronnie Karam: And our super premium sponsors. She's VVIP. It's Amanda V.

1:03:46Ben Mandelker: Somebody get us 10 cc's of Betsy MD.

1:03:49Ronnie Karam: We're taking the gold with Brenda Silva. Let's get real with Caitlin O 'Neill Put us on a stretcher, it's Charlotte Fletcher Don't get salty with Christine Pepper Can't have a meal without the Emily sides

1:04:01Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall We got our wish, it's Jen Plish My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo Let's get savage with Laura Wildman In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Barron She's a whiz, it's Liz Sarthy Always killin' it, it's Lola Alkalani Roger that, it's Marlis Rogers

1:04:26Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters She eases our woes, it's Melissa St. Rose There's a chance of meatballs, it's Rebecca Cloud She's our princess, it's Rebecca Prince

1:04:37Ben Mandelker: She's the queen bee, it's Sarah Lemke We cannot tell a lie, it's Sarah Talafson Shannon, out of a cannon, Anthony Please don't stop, it's Soli and Pop Let's take off with Tamla Plain. Strike a pose, it's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar.

1:04:55Ronnie Karam: We love you guys.

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1:06:11Ben Mandelker: I'm having my hot Caesar summer, Ronnie. Yes. Caesar sauce? I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

1:06:23Ronnie Karam: I mean, I just have. Wow, it is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan, garlicky blend with some lemon in it. And you can dip anything in there.

1:06:31Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the crispy strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

1:06:46Ronnie Karam: Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

1:06:53Ben Mandelker: I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

1:07:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love. And that's how I'm going to go down.

1:07:06Ben Mandelker: Right now at participating McD's, the$2.99 Caesar snack wrap is making me rethink my go-to order.

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1:07:29Ronnie Karam: Great. Did you include the differentiation angle the CMO asked for? Already in there. Three angles no competitors using right now. Just need your approval. Approved. Thanks. Oh, agents, where would we be without you? Hmm, somewhere with a lot more tabs open.

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