#3497 The Valley S3E20 Part One: Short Tempered

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1:42Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to watch. I'm Ben Mandelker. joining me today on this fair episode is the one and only the lovely the glorious the beautiful ronnie carham hi ronnie how are you hi how are you um i'm doing just great i'm doing just great i'm so glad that you made that little sheena voice before we dive into our valley recap i'm sure it'll be a doozy um you ronnie are going up to san francisco in about a week and a half to go on a cruise right with hannah our lovely and wonderful hannah farrier and daisy from below deck and is there anyone else gonna that's gonna be on on that it's just

2:35Ronnie Karam: the two of them right yeah the two of them i'm gonna interview them do a little panel with them on a dinner cruise for City Cruises, August 23rd in San Francisco. You can get ticket links at their links and bios, either Daisy Kelleher or Anna Farrier. Okay? It's going to be so fun. It's like a dinner cruise. We cruise around. We bath. We spill some tea. It's a girl say. Yeah. And you're going to do a thing as well. You're doing a panel the same day. It's a double panel day.

3:06Ben Mandelker: Double panel day. while Ronnie's up in the Bay Area on a boat. I will be here in LA at the esteemed Friends and Family Bakery, well, Coffee Shop Bakery, et cetera, because I'm going to be in conversation with Martin Sorge, who has a new cookbook out called Great Bakes. And so the wonderful, wonderful, amazing cookbook shop Now Serving here in Los Angeles, the shop's called Now Serving, puts on these talks where they will invite a cookbook off there and then someone to kind of interview them um and so i was selected i was invited to do this and i'm so excited so come join us at friends and family the same night sunday um august 23rd it's 5 p.m and go to now servings instagram um now serving l i forget their handle but just look up now serving and you can get your tickets for that so really excited about that and also thank you to the one and only esteemed madeline brand for having me on her show press play with madeline brand um on npr it finally happened broke through into npr watch your crap it's made it onto npr everyone um i did and that's the that's the half that belongs on npr

4:25Ronnie Karam: well you know for me it's like no please ronnie no no no no no no please ronnie no no no

4:34Ben Mandelker: Anytime you're out of pocket, I'll be like, NPR, NPR. But yeah, no. Local radio station, KCRW here in LA, has a show about the entertainment industry called Press Play. And so I was on there to talk about The Real Housewives. So you can actually listen to that interview by going to KCRW.com. So that's all the fun stuff. And of course, our Patreon, patreon.com slash watch what happens. happens but um uh yeah so cool things for to either listen to or go to for all of you guys

5:07Ronnie Karam: well there you go okay let's get into it's the valley season three episode 20 reunion part two to celebrate reunion part two of the valley i'm wearing a rayon shirt oh there you go decided to kind of match the cast today as much as possible and let me just say it hurts okay that's fair

5:29Ben Mandelker: here wait to celebrate um episode to the valley let me uh try to make myself more in danny's likeness let me just adjust this camera and okay now celebrating danny that's so rude celebrating danny on the valley sorry he has been bullied and he has cried how dare it's not as sorry for those who are really listening this is a visual moment that's happening um how dare you make fun of my height i love all my time to regular out there i know i actually love my short not that i just it's just it's just i think with danny it's he's so frustrating that i resort to doing the most immature thing which is just to hit him where it hurts because that's my only recourse and it's not i'm not proud of it i'm not proud of that instinct i try not to make fun of people's physical appearances well it does hurt and i'm a father a father with children i have cried i have shed a tear but if danny uh danny shouldn't be listening to this so that's fine yeah this is not for you

6:44Ronnie Karam: so backstage uh you know they're on their first break they're in britney janet jason's room and before we even get started with this before i say this person's wrong or that person's wrong i literally don't like anybody zach i like zach jasmine's fine i guess everyone else can go fuck themselves so before you think wow you're really sticking up for so-and-so by going against so-and-so don't even play that bullshit with me today all these people are monsters and they're boring monsters and rayon and that's it and that's what you're getting that's what you're getting today so don't start your wow you're being so nice to so-and-so because you're you don't like janitor whatever no i'm not standing up for literally anybody on this show not a one you know now i

7:33Ben Mandelker: can never uh anytime i say anything nice about janet i get messages being like i hope that coffee cake she made you was good because ever since the coffee cake you're all bro janet well to her credit she does know how to get you a coffee cake is the way to your heart um yeah by the way i'm easily bribed i invite anyone who i talk about to make me a lovely cake and i listen my my affections are for sale just kidding i am not i stay true to myself regardless regardless of coffee cake that comes my way uh but it was it was really good coffee cake um true to me and me loved Janet's coffee cake and that's it.

8:19That's the end.

8:23Ben Mandelker: So we're backstage and you know Jason is saying that Janet's going to have some, probably the easiest luck with making amends with Zach, but everyone else is going to be hard to get through. I'm like, but why do you want to get through to anyone else? Why do you want to make amends with Danny and Nia? Maybe I can see Nia because at like girls events It's awkward if there's someone who hates you, right? But, like, who cares about Danny?

8:53Ronnie Karam: Well, that's kind of where I am with the whole cast. And I've said it a million times during the season. Like, you just don't like each other. And that's okay. But these shows are built on kind of friend groups. So they need to pick a side or whatever and rebuild. Because it's just, they're just all gross. And none of them can truly make up because they just hate each other's guts. So they can come with all the flowery language they want. And like, oh, I really understand about your feelings about this, and I'm sorry. But none of them mean it. Danny can't give one solid apology the whole time.

9:25Ronnie Karam: It does always revert. People have kids. Jasmine was right. I don't care what anybody said. And all the parents are like, you can't say that when you don't have a child. Yes. She didn't say it very well. But you guys use your kids as human shields. Every time you do something wrong, you hold up a baby in front of you. No, having a baby doesn't mean you're not a shitty person. And that's it. And that's what she was trying to say. And I completely agree with her. And we got a lot of it this episode. Every time someone is called out, it's like, I have a baby.

9:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think Jasmine was 100 % right. I 100 % also am aware that having kids is enormously taxing. It drains you and exhausts you. But guess what? i know a lot of people who have have kids a lot of people who have kids who do not act the way that danny acts and do not act the way that luke acts okay and so like i'm sorry i know it's a stressor but the stressor is only bringing out parts of your personality that are already there and that's the issue okay right so yeah yeah like like i'm sympathetic to being like to grumpiness But like the thing is that the way that Danny acted was not like on that trip was not like one evening.

10:44Ben Mandelker: It was like the whole trip he was like that. And then he was like that again elsewhere. It's like it's not this is not an isolated like I'm in a mood. This is a oh, you are unmasked moment.

10:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And I get that. I, too, get that it's hard. And I'm not taking that away and saying, oh, shut up, parents. Stop bitching. I'm not saying that. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about men who are called out for basically being emotionally abusive assholes. I mean, Danny has been clearly emotionally abusive on this whole season. And he's like, but I have kids. If your response to stress is treating your wife like garbage, then you're garbage, period. It doesn't matter what's going on. I mean, it's super important that you know how to treat your family and your friends in a way that's not abusive, even when you're not in a good mood.

11:33Dumb.

11:34Ben Mandelker: yeah i mean quite frankly janet lala and and britney all have kids too they all have like little kids lala has two little little kids bernie has a child with special needs and she has a child who she's divorced from and who's making her life hell you know it's there are a lot of people on this stage who have the pressures of children and again it's not we're not dismissing it it's just like they these guys are just really leaning into it and and in their mind they're saying i'm just explaining why i was like that but it's like no no you were like you were like this before these kids came up came around the kids have just exacerbated exacerbated it for you yeah your

12:21Ronnie Karam: baby coming out of your dick doesn't give you the right to be a dick do you understand okay good now that we've got that cleared up let's get into a bunch of whiny baby men making excuses because they're tired um so uh britney's like oh there's gonna be a lot to talk about today i'll tell you that there's a lot more coming down this park and michelle's like well i you know i am mad at lazy she keeps calling me a liar and saying i am vague i am not vague i i do not know what lazy i'm gonna get like oh what what jesse am i gonna get and lala's just looking at her like um i'm on your sides but i'm really bored yeah so let's like wrap this up that was last episodes so we're gonna have

13:06Ben Mandelker: to sunset this discussion so everyone comes back on stage and andy is like we're back well before michelle was linked to aaron or dr dre she was famously married to our very own jesse lally This season, we finally reached the end of Jesse and Michelle's divorce, which felt like it was dragging on like certain someone's droopy drawers. So, Michelle, you and Jesse are finally divorced. How does it feel?

13:36Ronnie Karam: Jesse's like droopy. Can she answer her question, Spray Tan? I think he was responding to his underwear. I know, but it's not you. It's not you. You'd be quiet. It's not even your turn. So Michelle's like, it is incredible, do they? I am all visually single-like. And so he asks Jesse how things have been with Michelle. And he's like, well, we only really communicate about Isabella, and that's been good, I guess. It's like 90%. And he's like, okay, cool.

14:10Ben Mandelker: Still 10 % not cool. I know. He's just absolutely aghast at everything Michelle says. hey jesse what did you use the three hundred thousand dollar sba loan for he's like i love the fact that in season two there was a runyon canyon hike with sheena to complain about me and then season three another little runyon canyon hike with somebody who doesn't hike like sir this is not answering the question and who cares he's like he's like i mean if she had gone on a hike with someone who does hike that's one thing but to go on a hike with someone who doesn't hike it's you're gonna talk shit about me at least do it with someone who hikes naturally i was like what is this doll tactic so he's like the entire conversation start to finish was a lie and michelle's like yeah he is just really embarrassed by it it was one of those things from the beginning do i look embarrassed i'm like quite frankly you do you look literally I'm literally embarrassed.

15:17Ronnie Karam: And you look shamed. But, yeah, I don't know if he has enough good in him to even feel shame at this point. But you look embarrassing. And so she's like, well, he did not want to dog about it. And he's like, well, you're a cheater and a liar. So, okay, so did you get the$300 ,000 loan and spend it all on a fucking vacation or not, Jesse? Like, you're looking more guilty than ever when you say things like. but you're mean you have my hair and it's really straight so

15:50Ben Mandelker: lala's like um hello uh you've got to stop calling her a liar jesse like you call her a liar a lot you've got to stop doing that lala is acting like she is lisa vanderpump sitting next to andy during the vanderpump rules uh reunions the entire hour she keeps jumping in to be like, Andy, I'll take this. Darling, this could all be solved with a chandelier from Nicolene. My strong Nicolene.

16:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she really is trying to take over this whole reunion, and it's obnoxious. Like, Lala, you didn't do shit. I mean, what Lala did this season was yell at other people in their other drama that she wasn't really involved in. And I'll give her this. She was correct about it. And in this reunion, I feel like she's correct about everything she says. So it's not that I'm not on her team with what she's saying. It's just like it's it just feels like it's none of your business and you're not involved in any of this. And she keeps in every single conversation. She's like, oh, yes. Well, let me tell you.

16:53Ben Mandelker: It's like, girl, you don't even do anything on this show. Well, what I just don't like is that she keeps I'm with you. I actually hear everything she said. I'm like, absolutely. absolutely and in some ways i'm glad when she pipes up because sometimes someone needs to pipe up about this but like what i hate is on a reunion when someone's trying to like state their case even if it's full of bullshit i hate when they get interrupted and then the argument becomes about being interrupted like let me finish you're not letting me finish this is what she always does this is what you always do it's like that time in mexico when you did this i didn't do this and then you like lose the thread so i just don't like the i don't like the constant interruptions

17:30Ronnie Karam: for that and it's bad in this one with lala lala's the main offender but michelle is a very close second michelle's really not making herself look good in this like michelle you've got jet you're against jesse jesse's a piece of shit this should be this should be a slam dunk with everything that jesse's done but she just cannot stop herself and every time lacy tries to talk like

17:57Ronnie Karam: And Lacey does that thing where she stays infuriatingly calm through every single thing. And it's like, well, if you feel that way, then you're allowed to feel that way. And that's fine. I'm not finished. I'm not finished, though. Yeah. And so then finally, when she does get to talk, it's like 30 minutes of her just trying to string words together. And this part, I did love Lala because she interrupts her. She's like, stop interrupting me. She's like, it's been three hours. finish a sentence please it's time for a commercial it's time for a august is the perfect time to hit

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20:44Ben Mandelker: so uh jesse is denying that he took out a loan and michelle's like it's a lie please show me please for the love of god show everybody where the three hundred thousand dollars is which by the way you know that he's what he's thinking is well it's that's a lie it wasn't an sba loan it was a this loan instead right you know that he's just saying it's a lie based off of some semantics I guarantee there's a$300 ,000 loan out there Because why would Michelle be willingly just paying$300 ,000 to Jesse As part of their divorce settlement Just for the fun of it

21:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they talked about it on screen Where she was going to pay that$150 ,000 just to get out of it Didn't she talk about that with him on screen?

21:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they were in that pink coffee shop And she's like, I am willing to pay this I am paying you to end this And he didn't say like, what are you talking about? Stop lying to America and make it seem like I'm bored. Yeah.

21:40Ronnie Karam: So he's clearly lying, but she's also terrible with evidence. Because if there's a$300 ,000 loan that you had to pay back, there's paperwork. Where's the paperwork at? You have to have that in an email somewhere. Bring the evidence. This is court. I know. Come on. You're on a reunion. So Andy's like, well, you also said. Put it on a prop. You know? Yeah. Glue it to a spinning wheel or something where you can be like, oh, yeah, look at this spinning wheel. It's going to stop on. He did it. Guilty. Guilty. Here's the bank loan or whatever it is.

22:11Ben Mandelker: Do something. Wheel of Fortune. Bankrupt. All the slices say bankrupt. Andy is like, yes. Well, she also said that you couldn't afford to pay$200 for Isabella's health insurance. So, at least he goes, awkward. Don't call me a liar. Do not call me a liar about that. Do not call me a liar about that. She's like, I just said awkward. That's it. Oh, I thought you said liar. Sorry. Okay. Michelle was just on Watch What Happens Live and really intimated that she was paying most of the household expenses. Lacey cared to answer for that. But I don't believe that because she's also saying, which I find to be infuriating, you're also insinuating every single episode except for two because I finally watched them, that I'm paying for him.

23:04And I would rather light myself on fire than pay for a man. That's not my vibe. So, like, that's fine for you to pay for a man because you did that, but you're lying about that.

23:18Ben Mandelker: I'm not saying that Lacy is a Targaryen, but the fact that she has now offered up that she would light herself on fire, I'm like, she's kind of a Targaryen.

23:30Ben Mandelker: Let's be honest. she's a she's a prestige free targaryen like there's no prestige night for her to be on tv a prestige free targaryen because that's like prestige tv so i wouldn't give her that much but i mean there are things adding up yeah so michelle is like uh by the way i have the text where you're like i can't pay this month give me your credit card information and i gave it to you right then in there and I have all the text messages. That's why we have ballet that emails us all the time that your card got declined. It's a very sad ballet. It's called the, they tried to do the nutcracker, but it's more like the Jesse cracker because they have to crack your balls to get paid.

24:15Ben Mandelker: If you know what I'm saying, anyone like this ballet content I'm throwing out here, anyone, any laughter, please would appreciate it. We will be doing the daddy's broker ballet.

24:25Ronnie Karam: But she's like, yes, we do not have money for gymnastics or ballet or space camp.

24:34Ben Mandelker: We want to put her on a lot of things. Child sommelier path, and we cannot afford those classes anymore. We had to pull her out of Suzuki class. How is she supposed to play violin by ear, Jazzy? How? Well, I guess that means no more breath work for Isabella. I guess the drabby's odds are off the table. I suppose there will be no more Wednesday night soundbats for Isabella. Isabella was supposed to be doing first grade abroad, but she is not now because of Jazzy.

25:15Ronnie Karam: Like, damn, you should have just stuck with the child insurance part. Because that's like, holy crap, Jesse, you're not even paying for your child's insurance? But she's like, and then we had to ask for an extension payment on the horse.

25:31Ben Mandelker: Unfortunately, Maria Talis impersonation camp is off the books for the summer.

25:44uh so uh andy's like yeah your car even got declined on camera in mexico that was hilarious

25:52Ronnie Karam: and he's like yeah guys guess what guys i've never had a chase fraud alert you know when i was in another country forgive me for not knowing babe didn't you spend the three hundred thousand dollars traveling all over europe with your family i think you know facetious here oh okay yeah i think he's being like guys this happened to be facetious i'm sorry i know

26:15Ben Mandelker: he was not good for facetious it was not good planter for she's is yadas um but about her Yeah, I think he was trying to. Fascist. And he failed. And so Lacey's like, my card gets declined all the time, and allegedly I'm a baller. So look, I'm like, wow, this is the first time people are bragging about being poor on Bravo.

26:45Michelle's like, I am not making it up. Will you financially solve it now?

26:50Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I moved to a new house and sadly just had a$30 million that deal that kind of fell through. She's like, oh, it is always falling through. It always falls apart. That is how deals go with Jesse. Well, I'm still doing what I've always been doing. Okay, Lacey, how do you feel about dating Jesse if he's not doing well financially?

27:15Ben Mandelker: She does not care. She does not care. I've never experienced that. it's hard for me because it just feels so intentional it is not intentional it is not and i mean there are moments where he's cried to me that he could not favor certain things and i said get it is you and he said i cannot afford this you i said maria callas and him a tissue and isabella said

27:44Ben Mandelker: i couldn't imagine how much better that impersonation would have been if she could have gone to that camp. So Lacey's like, She went to Maria Galli's camp and did not finish. And now she sounds like Bruce Valange. Unfortunately, we had to send her to Marie Callender camp instead. But she couldn't afford a bye. She just came back with whipped cream.

28:15Ben Mandelker: So Lacey is like, she's like um i'm just explaining what my experience is with jesse okay well my experience is he tells me the druids because i know it okay but i'm just telling you my experience and you can bs me and say i'm crazy all you want to but i know my experience so you're not gonna

28:40Ronnie Karam: talk me out of it oh my god lacy someone needs to work with lacy on inflection and brevity

28:49Ben Mandelker: i know my experience as well well that's lovely for you i've never experienced that with him he asked me for money and it's very frustrating to have a group of women continuously saying that somebody is using me for money in an for an array of reasons first and foremost i do think it's completely misogynistic i think if i was a man no one would ever make that assumption and i think it's rude and he's like but i think what's actually funny here is that um it would have been one thing if well i guess i see the point she's trying to make here that like hey when like a girl's with some some guy people aren't like oh she's using him for money which by the way i think they often do but the truth is that like they always do jesse is poor he has no money left and he is with a wealthy lady in orange county and i do believe that he likes her but but we also believe that what drew him to her and had him go very committed to her was because she is paying for things and I don't think that's misogynistic.

29:59Ben Mandelker: I think it's Jesse-nistic.

30:01Ronnie Karam: He spent an episode being like, I'm going to move into your house, right? Like, you've got a big enough house. You've got a huge mansion in Orange County. It's like, no, you are never moving into my house. So we've seen him trying to kind of worm his way in there. It's not like this is coming out of nowhere.

30:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And you know, I love calling out what I feel like is misogyny, which of course is a man's role. And I think that, like, I normally love to yes and these moments. but this time i was like ah this one even feels a stretch even for me and lacy then is like but she her whatever one of the columns of her pillars of her argument is she says well you know last year aaron filmed and that was her boyfriend and you know lala's like can we clarify because i don't understand what's going on here right now she's like i'm trying to clarify but you're You're interrupting me, though. Yeah, but you've been talking all days long.

30:56Ben Mandelker: But you're interrupting me. I mean, you've been a jabberjock.

31:00Ronnie Karam: But that's misogynistic. Also, this misogynistic thing I think is weird because she's saying, I think it's completely misogynistic. If I was a man, no one would ever make that assumption. If you were a man, everybody would make that assumption. Like, I don't – it's weird. Her logic isn't just – her logic just isn't making sense. When there's one really rich person and there's one not rich person, and especially when the not rich person has a terrible, terrible reputation, there's not much going for that, of course they're going to say the poorer person is using the richer person. It happens in every relationship, and it's every relationship like that.

31:42Ronnie Karam: I don't know of one that's not like that.

31:44Ben Mandelker: She then revises it to where it makes a bit more sense, where she's basically saying people think I'm paying for Jesse so that way I can be on the show. Like, I'm paying my way to be on this show. And it's like, okay. I mean, I don't think anyone – I actually don't think anyone said that or felt that way about her.

32:04Ronnie Karam: No, but people do feel like she's using Jesse to be on the show. Maybe not that she's paying for it. But her being like, oh, suggesting that I'm paying to be on this show is terrible because that's insinuating that I'm not good enough to be on this show. Ma 'am, you're not really. And you're only on this show because you're dating Jesse. Why are we pretending that you were cast because of your sparkling personality? You didn't make it on Orange County three times. And now you found somebody to date that's on a show. There's actually no shame in it. And a lot of people on this stage got to the stage that way.

32:37Ronnie Karam: Kristen, got James on. He's not on this show, but James got on via Kristen. Then we've got Janet who got on, Janet and Zach, by hanging on to the group and being around the group.

32:51Ben Mandelker: Brittany is only here because she was actually in Lacey's place at one point.

32:58Ronnie Karam: So there's not even that much shame in the game. But to pretend like, oh, everyone's acting like I'm not valid on my own. You're not. You're here because you have mess. And you're going to trigger Michelle. It's not like you did an audition song. You didn't give 30 bars to get here or 32 bars to get in here. Come on.

33:17Ben Mandelker: Watch What Crappens is here to remind people that sometimes you are not valid on your own. And that's okay.

33:23Ronnie Karam: Exactly. I would never walk into a bank and be like, oh, my God. It's like you're, like, taking my deposit or, like, you denying my deposit. It's like you're acting like I'm not valid.

33:35Ben Mandelker: sir you don't you don't have an account here you're like literally not val but um and so like one of the things that she's trying to get to here is the fact that like well when aaron came on the show she goes you know aaron filmed the show and you know i think it's crazy not one person on the stage at least from what i saw was like he must be using her she must be using him i'm like what part about this bug-eyed probably failed actor trying to sell honey on the internet says he's not using michelle lally to be on camera yeah we all pretty much thought that who watched the show said this guy is clearly using michelle to sell his coke honey on tv

34:21Ronnie Karam: oh also they weren't saying that about michelle to her face in the cast because they're friends with michelle they like michelle they don't know you and jesse's an asshole so you're not going to automatically get the same level of friendship of a bunch of people who aren't your friends yeah and i don't even hate lacy i actually like lacy i just think her argument here is a little yikes but then michelle's also being so obnoxious in this uh argument because she won't stop jumping on every little thing lacy gets out two words and michelle jumps in and is just giving her those laser eyes the whole time so she kind of sucks too i genuinely like lacy on the show

34:58Ben Mandelker: and i think she's been okay but she's wrong on this one yeah i i think lacy has been a been a big surprise i think she's actually as much as we've been like you're not valid on your own to be here but that being said now that she's here she has been entertaining um way more entertaining than i thought she would be and i'm happy for her to be on the show going forward um but uh but yeah like i don't know i i didn't actually have as much of a negative experience as you did uh to her on this uh on this reunion i just am more like um i just at this point i was like over it i didn't want to talk about this anymore like i didn't i thought that's what i'm gonna make you and it's

35:35Ronnie Karam: i could just because i want to say um i should say it wasn't like i didn't want to wirely negative experience i wasn't i didn't come out of this a lacy hater just this whole like what am i not am i not good enough you guys are suggesting i'm not good enough to be here on my own it just sounds crazy like you need to stop being a victim you are dating jesse lally who had a horrible divorce with Michelle. We know that she paid the$300 ,000 or half of that to get out of the divorce. At the minimum, we know all that stuff is true and you're still supporting this guy, whether it's financially or not.

36:08Ronnie Karam: You're standing by and acting like a lot of these behaviors are okay. And so, you're wrong. What do you want me to say?

36:16Ben Mandelker: And basically, so then she has another little spat with Lala, who's like, you've been talking for like 12 hours so andy's like okay okay lacy do you love jesse she goes i love jesse it's just like our dynamic and that's how i treat men and and i like that about me and that's me because there there are people are saying we don't know where you stand because it seems like you guys hate each other and so andy goes jesse tell her you love her right now i want to see how she responds okay she's like i love you she's like i love you too oh it's just like so performative though like usually i'd just be like thank you do it again do it again i'll do it better i'm valid

37:01Ronnie Karam: i'm valid that was funny though when they're like it seems like you really hate jesse she's like that's how i am with men that's my love language schwartz wow why are you here yeah we got to meet your tiktok girlfriend kiana with the sunglasses at the tip of her nose wow i'm imagining things are going well with her that's gonna work wow well is she 20 years younger than you and on tiktok great how's that he's like i'm just so happy i'm like you know it's like our nine month anniversary man it's like i just feel like i just It's like, I've just, you know, I've just, I've just like, wow. Like, lucky.

37:40Ronnie Karam: Wow. Well, great. I'm glad to hear that you have as many fascinating things to say today as you've had all season. So what are the chances that we'll see you getting married again? Please say zero because I can't believe it if the producers bring you back.

37:55Ben Mandelker: He's like, oh, well, that's on her. I would love to get on the knee one more time. And if I ever do, it would definitely be for her. God, have you ever seen her sunglasses when you're down on one knee? They look more magnificent than you could ever imagine.

38:11Ronnie Karam: So Jesse goes, well, I've hung out with you guys, and you bend the knee a lot. Get it, guys? He's like, I've got it so bad, you know? And I want kids, but I don't know if she wants them with me. But, you know, we have a great communication. Like, we're aligned with what we want, you know, except for the fact that, like, I want kids, And I don't know if she wants kids or like, I want to get married. I don't know if she wants to get married. I don't know. I've called her. She hasn't really called me back, but I'll tell you this much. Our communication is great. And how old are you again? I'm 43.

38:46And what is this spread?

38:49Ben Mandelker: 16. Okay. Well, I'm in a 16 year spread myself. So I think it works. I think it works. I'm like, no, no. it's one thing to be like in a like a silver fox 16 era spread 16 year spread it's i think very different to be in a 43 27 year old spread i'm sorry it's different it's different it's going that relationship is going absolutely nowhere i'm gonna say it right now you know if they get

39:16Ronnie Karam: married i'm still telling you it's going nowhere yeah and andy is 58 so if there's a 16 spread a 16-year spread, then that's still the guy's 42. So, yeah, that's pretty old. And also the guy is not a fame whore, apparently. He's like a financial guy. So he's not in the same, you know. It's different when they're like reality people and influencers. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think this is going to last. But not because of her, because of him as well, as well, in equal bards. also when you get two people together who are just so well spoken and intelligent it's just

39:56Ben Mandelker: hard for that to really work out just one person needs to shine so i don't know i don't think it's

40:01Ronnie Karam: it's rough because it's a spread we're doing spread between ages but it's not really fair because tom's 43 and his liver is like 96 so it's really hard to figure out how that factors into

40:12Ben Mandelker: long-term plans also she works in high fashion and he's segueing into um bowling shirts like that's the next that's the next evolution for tom style so it's just yeah bowling shirts and

40:26Ronnie Karam: elton john glasses so i don't know john will tell it's gonna tell us something so uh guys tom tom let's talk about it's being sold off can you believe it he's like yeah well well we had an amazing pride so thank you to everybody thanks to all the straight people who came that was really fun and um you know tom tom's for sale all the intellectual rights lol

40:48Ben Mandelker: i can't the intellectual rights to tom oh good kidding me uh excuse me ronnie i have to call our agent so we can option tom tom for that script we've been meaning to write i'm gonna write a spin-off on tom tom honestly if i if i were tom schwartz i would be pissed because tom tom used to be like the jam it was it was a active bar it was part of like the whole you know vanderpumpa verse and um uh but it was also like a legitimately good bar i mean yes the stools were way too low and i'm glad that was called out on the latest season of vanderpump rules or maybe it was this season it was this season about i don't know it's this season in the valley actually because kiana came over um but it was like a legitimately really fun bar to go to and truly tom sandoval just destroyed all the properties he actually destroyed i think he actually destroyed every single um vanderpump entity right because they killed schwartz and sandys with the scandoval pump was next to go tom tom's done sir is struggling too i mean we ho i guess is apparently having issues but like you know because obviously uh vanderpump rules kind of ended and that that ended curiosity and sir so i mean tom sandoval really dropped a bomb on these businesses and i'd be fucking pissed yeah don't come for my tiny penis that's the latest thing uh so we talk about tom tom the

42:26Ronnie Karam: intellectual rights really made me laugh. Like Tom Tom, the only right is to not have an intellect, you know, like, so for them to be like, wow, the intellectual rights of Tom Tom, oh, the IP, the Instagram, everything. Yeah, good luck with that. So Andy asks, and he's like, but we've been open since 2018. That's a good run, right? You know, which that is crazy. It is a good run. Years. And Andy says, you put 50 ,000. Did you ever get that back? And he's like, uh, well, I mean, yeah you know i made i made my money back in eight years i would hope so i know seriously over the course of eight years god were you just going in there for autographs like they had to be making some or he had to be making some money from there right do you think it's just yeah i think he was i think he was but he was like you know i you know i still have a meager

43:15Ben Mandelker: 2.5 but symbolically it's so much more than that to me it's all the way up to three percent and And that place is an extension of my heart and my soul. I'm like, you mean decrepit, empty, and having to be sold off? That place isn't... The only light is a colored Philip Hughes bulb. Does that mean that somewhere in your heart and soul, there is a disturbed DJ sitting on a pile of toilet paper spinning records? So he's like, I've had so many of my best moments of my life in there. And honestly, it helped make me so much less of a pussy. I was like, okay, please let me know when that will be demonstrated for us.

43:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah, when's that season?

43:59Zach, we saw you take big steps with your little boyfriend. What the hell?

44:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, what was that about? I feel like, you know what, you could see as Andy read it off his cue cards, he had not read it ahead of time. And you could see, he was like, oh, okay, I guess that's what we're writing on here. He had that look on his face like, I guess I just said that. okay i just walked into that short person burn as a short person great felt great thanks producers such a random stray for benji to catch and benji is the most normal person in this entire group yeah we've been like living on and off with each other because even though i stayed like living with them or living here like going to canada for work a certain time and then he comes here

44:38Ronnie Karam: but like sometimes we'll go there like sometimes we'll go out of town but like it's like you know Sometimes we'll be on a road trip and we're like, where are we right now? What do we even need a visa for right now? Like, do you need that in Arkansas? I don't even know. Why are we even in Arkansas? I just pooped.

44:56Is there any furniture yet? And a monster fridge does not count.

45:03Yeah. So, no. Basically, the answer is no.

45:08Ronnie Karam: The answer is no. Right. We talk about Zach's shitty apartment and then how he threw a party to thank Kristen for loaning him money. And then he gives a big monologue. He is really good at using a lot of words to say. Very, very, very little. But just broken down, he's very thankful to have friends in L.A. Because I came here. I came here with nothing. And then I had friends. And then my friends gave me things. And it was my spray tan coming off. And it was beautiful. all the time would like to thank my friend so much yeah i i i love zach at the reunions because he

45:45Ben Mandelker: just spends almost all the time in the corner just smirking and rolling his eyes at people and it's just so funny and then when they actually ask him a question he always has a big dramatic monologue it's like it's just it's really hard when you move here from kentucky and you don't know anyone and then like all of a sudden you walk into a store and you're like i just want a coffee medium-sized, they say it's a grande, and I'm like, I don't understand. And then Kristen walks in and explains Starbucks language to me. It just meant a lot to me. It meant a lot to understand Starbucks from Kristen.

46:14My life changed the day that Kristen told me about a pop cop.

46:22To make so many dogs happy, Andy. To make so many dogs happy, I would just want to thank my friends.

46:29Ronnie Karam: So basically the conversation is, Benji wants kids, you don't want kids. are you getting married? Like what's happening? And the answer is still the same. He's basically like, I love him, but I don't want kids. And my parents were such good parents that I want to be parents. Like they were really good parents. And I can't afford that lifestyle. Like I can't afford kids. You guys have to break up at this point. Cause they're both, they're both right to want what they want. You know, neither one of them is wrong and they're a cute couple, but yeah, it is a big one.

47:04Ben Mandelker: yeah i actually feel really bad and agreeing with that i think benji is adorable and uh he's also i what i like about benji is he does have an edge which i really love um and they're cute together but they do want drastically different things and like i think they have to with regrets move on from each other so then um andy is like all right well welcome back i'm someone who did figure out that want to have kids sorry zach anyway lala how is co-parenting with randall going and she's like it's impossible so we can't communicate unless it's through that app and he primarily lives in miami now so he pops in when he wants to see ocean she thinks he's just like wonderful and amazing and that's all i could asks for and so i would just say it's going great because she's thriving plus every every other week he sends a fried chicken breast her way so that's lovely as well

48:01Ronnie Karam: I'm like, one day when you're over 12, they'll start sending you doubles. Because, you know, he loves a double chicken breast. He loves that. So a double fried chicken breast. Double fried chicken sandwich. Yeah, he still sucks, basically. So then we move on to Kristen and Luke, which, yikes, this was worse than I thought. Because Kristen, you know, has come to this reunion being very much like. The audience is really mad at Danny, so I have to admonish Danny. And I'm going to do it because I don't want the internet to hate me again. So she's really trying on her whole season with Luke. We need to handle shit off camera just like Danny and Nia and be that kind of a couple.

48:44Ronnie Karam: I see all my nieces and my sister leaving behind me. Trudging down the stairs. Bye, girls. There they go. Have fun. They're going to the Beachwood Cafe because Harry has a song about it. That Harry smiles. else he's given that beachwood cafe so much business that man they're just little girls lined up like yes harry eats here harry loves the eggs benny you know what's so funny is that um

49:10Ben Mandelker: i was literally in beachwood canyon yesterday and i had parked like a block away from that cafe and i thought to myself are people still like flocking to this cafe or is that moment ended and now i

49:20Ronnie Karam: have the answer it's busy all the time we go every every time they're here and my dad hasn't gone with him yet. He just got in town. So he's going, they're all going. And then we're all going to Disneyland. Wow. Everyone grieves. So, um... Sounds great. No. Yeah, so wish me luck. Here comes one right now.

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51:11Ronnie Karam: Okay, so anyway, the point is Kristen has come here very much like we're going to look good, We're not going to get in fights. We're going to look like a good, strong couple. And I'm going to do everything right. And man, Luke just blows it out of the water in the first two seconds. God, Luke is terrible. What are you doing with Luke? He's awful.

51:31Ben Mandelker: Oh, Luke sucks. Before we even get into the Luke of it all, or I should say before we enter the things that he says, we also have to talk about just the way he manspreads right there on that sofa. I mean, he took a picture of his seats. those knees were like that was at like 9 p.m 3 p.m okay like it was it was just they were just fully just out and just taking up space and i was like oh god this guy sucks he sucks there's a new documentary from the lion king guys it's like god i mean uh god's monsters what'd i say lion king oh sorry rob it's like i got a new musical this one's about lizards Rob Meekhoff.

52:17Rob Meekhoff.

52:18Ronnie Karam: No, this is, yeah, you're right. The Tiger King people. I think it's called God's Monsters or something. And I heard, oh, it's crazy. You guys need to check it out and talk about it. So I just looked at the preview of it. And one of the guys in it who's being interviewed, they're interviewing him from below, like probably his ankles. I don't know why the camera is so low. And he's manspreading and he's an older guy. And it's just old man balls. That's all you see. And I'm like, this is going to take up the whole movie? is old man nuts right in my face i'm not watching it you guys leave the camera up

52:49Ben Mandelker: that tiger king director i'm sorry i'm over it like we watched chimp crazy which you know was which was interesting and amusing but like i got so annoyed that like they spent so much time just with the director and like the director was was is this where there was like scenes dedicated to the director speaking to like other directors about like how involved should i be or something like that i don't know he just like centers himself so much that i'm like i'm like no i'm not we're not doing this anymore i can't watch you anymore oh well i loved i loved i'm crazy oh my god yeah yeah i got a fucking monkey i don't know what the people are talking about i loved her i still have i still send her sticker to people that i made years ago when she was great to watch all her laser work done he was just insufferable and he just kept but inserting himself in.

53:41Ben Mandelker: And like, it probably could have been a three episode tight, amazing documentary. But for me, it was like constant scenes of just him. I'm like, why are you in this so much?

53:50Ronnie Karam: I think that's a valid, a valid criticism of that show for sure. And I would watch this one. It's just the big old man that's in my face. I just don't need it. You know? And the point is Luke, close your legs, married men. Okay. Just cut out a little bit of Nini's line, but it still works. Close your legs. Gamma. So then they're talking about their sex life. They are having more. Still probably not a ton. And Andy was like, well, him pressuring you for sex, that really came off selfish on your part, Luke. And he's like, yeah, I see that. But, like, that's exactly how it read on TV. No, it's not how it read, okay?

54:29Ronnie Karam: It was not an edit. You were a cock. So you just need to say that. But he won't. It's all someone else's fault. He's like, yeah, that's how it read. And I genuinely thought Kristen would agree. Like, I didn't start going for it when the doctor said six weeks, you're good. And so I thought it was a proper buffer, six weeks, you know. I guess I wasn't the best version of myself.

54:52Ben Mandelker: You don't have like – this is not like a ticket you purchased for a flight that's going to be happening in November. Whether it's six weeks, whether it's eight weeks, it's not like, well, I gave it two extra weeks. And, well, the ETA is that the flight is tomorrow. so um we'll have tomorrow we start having sex again and i'm gonna ask you every day for multi sex multiple times it's like no it's just you just have to you just listen to the other person and their needs and then of course danny chimes he's like however whoever came up with that six week rule should just be fired right because it's so unrealistic but for a man you know like you think all right like six weeks they gotta you gotta hold out but it's okay six weeks and it's like back on the clock ladies but like they don't like that at all am i right guys am i right anyone anyone laugh at my jokes it's just so unrealistic you know but for a man you you think like all right six weeks and i gotta just hold out and then i'm swimming forth they're gonna be swimming forth and uh and he's like so a lot of female viewers were coming after luke for expecting sex from you so soon, Kristen.

55:57What was your reaction to the criticism? She's like, I mean, like, it's hard because, like, I'm allowed to come after him, but, like, I don't want other people to. And, you know, I did explain to him. I was like, these are moms. These are pregnant women. These are mariposas going through. Like, or they've gone through things. So they're going to be pissed, okay? It's maternal passion. Go, go. And then it almost made me, like, take his side

56:19Ronnie Karam: a little bit more because, you know, I was coming out of tough... She starts doing these excuses for him, like, I was coming out of really tough postpartum and, you know, remembering that he was new at this too. And she keeps trying to smooth it over for Luke. But then he just keeps making it worse every time he opens his mouth. So why even bother at this point? Yeah.

56:40Ben Mandelker: And he asks Nia how soon after they had kids was she able to go back to having sex. And she's like, well, it's different after every pregnancy. So I feel like that's also something to take into account. And it could be totally different next time for you guys too. but after Asher I was like I you know I was torn a little bit and it was more like six months until I was comfortable and we tried but it was it wasn't working and you know then we had twins and I don't know it's just been like a slow rise like okay cool so Kristen Luke expressed that he wasn't able to take time for himself and then when he did do that you guilted him for it so what's your take on it she's like well I know there are a couple of specific instances he's referring to, like going fishing one day.

57:24Ben Mandelker: And I was like, yeah, absolutely. But then he has to come home and like do all this other stuff and finish up the day. And essentially where I'm thinking like, okay, now you're home. Now I need you. And then he mutters under his breath something like, gotta go home and deal with the crazy. It's like, bro, like the way he's so dismissive and condescending about like her postpartum mental health struggles. It's just, it's awful. And, you know, again, it's not like Kristen is she is a handful regardless. OK, so it's not like, oh, everyone automatically gets like a pass. But he is just I hate the way he treats her like, oh, she's cuckoo caca now.

58:08Ronnie Karam: Like, yeah, I hate it, too. And she's saying and we know what she's saying because she said it a million times. It's not that he goes out. It's that he goes out and he gets shit faced and then he comes back and he's useless. And then he goes to sleep and then he doesn't help with anything. So it's not him just going out for a couple hours. It's him being completely out of service and not helping for days. Well, he like lies around and she has to take care of him and the baby. And it's frustrating. And then he's like, oh, God forbid I ever go out and do anything. Like it's not new for me too. I know.

58:41Ronnie Karam: It's new to you too, but you're not like attached to the baby. The baby is not attached to you needing things. Your body didn't change. You're just some fucking guy living off the fat of the land.

58:52Ben Mandelker: That's right. So Kristen's like, and he asks, why is Luke sleeping on the couch such a trigger? Which is hilarious because how could it not be? The person that you're supposed to get married to doesn't even want to sleep in the same bed with you. And so she's like, well, we've had times where we weren't doing well. There are times when he was drinking and I was pregnant and I couldn't partake in anything. And it was late nights. and like whether it's because he didn't want to wake me up or whatever but i still want you in bed with me and um like i'm like i'm very clingy like i need you right now but i wasn't expressing it that way and i was just super defensive and what i learned later too is that like there was a lot of postpartum depression and rage and rage is something that i was not familiar with and he's like you weren't familiar with rage postpartum rage it's different type of rage it's different but again she's part of marriage andy she shouldn't have to throw herself on the sword for this one i understand she's trying to take accountability and say you know she's trying to sort of be evolved and say look it takes two people to contribute to attention in a situation but like i think it's reasonable to say hey i want you to be in bed with me it makes me feel a certain sort of way i feel rejected or whatever and i'm really insecure right now and like you're not going to bother me just get into like just be in bed with me and i feel like she has said that i feel like we have seen her say that she say that it bothers her that he winds up on the sofa we saw him her say that to him and then he still went out and got drunk and wound up on the sofa and it's like it's like the easiest thing to fulfill is just to go the extra five feet over

1:00:23Ronnie Karam: to the bed well he's it's not easy because it's avoidance he's avoiding it he doesn't want to be in there because then kristen's he's at kristen's beck and call in his mind and she can say go get the baby or the baby cries he can pretend he didn't hear it you know it's a it's pure avoidance and she knows it and she's falling all over herself making excuses for him which is not great because that's usually signs of something much worse right when you see people like no no no no they're great they're great you know you see nia doing it and it's it's just horrible to watch all these couples going through the same thing but there's another element to it with kristin because Like she just said, it's one thing for her to be pissed at her husband.

1:01:03Ronnie Karam: But when you have the whole country, like, your husband sucks. Fucking leave that guy. It makes her life a lot harder, too, because she can't just be. She can't just be. You know, it's like you've got all these people saying how much your husband sucks. And now she's coming and trying to smooth it over and being like, look, America is nice. It's me. I'm sure. I'm crazy. Kristen. I have problems. We all know that I have rage. And no, no, no, no, no. But sorry, babe. This is not. Yeah. this is not it and i know that you had a baby with this this guy and you're never supposed to tell somebody who's had a baby with somebody to leave you need to leave this man you're gonna leave this man anyway so yes start a commune with lala and you guys can both raise each other like

1:01:43Ben Mandelker: all the all the kids together but luke is like 100 not gonna last so it may as well end sooner than later it's gonna get don't forget later don't forget like during the season when he said something along the lines of like what i only got wasted once over the last two weeks which is so wild so then he says well he's like well once in the last month or something like that like like you know literally like you know if she goes to bed early and i'm watching a movie sometimes i fall asleep on the couch and it wasn't a spiteful thing to sleep on the couch it's okay to fall asleep on the couch by accident but then you inevitably wake up and you move into the bedroom like like it's crazy to think that he just spent the entire night on the couch and that's the

1:02:23Ronnie Karam: implication that they're avoiding every part of being a father is what he's doing it's not about your fucking movies dude so then kristen says it makes her you know more lonely and he says it makes her more alone no no he's talking about himself of course so he's like yeah you know like um i was continuing to give up things i traditionally was going to for years like the fishing trip with my dad i do annually or the golf trip with my brother and these things and it's like she didn't make me give up those things i just thought it would make things better for our relationship by not doing those things and ultimately it made me feel more lonely and more estranged but then really what is that it's crazy having a newborn baby might make you change your plans one time in the first year you selfish fuck what do you think you deserve a gold medal for not

1:03:15Ben Mandelker: going on a golf trip once i know well isn't he just saying didn't you say here that this was happening even before the baby came around like he was doing this because he felt like this was the right thing to do i mean that's on you that's really on you but either way it's like even if he even if it is just like i had to sacrifice going on a golf trip because i have a newborn it's like yes that's exactly right and you will deal with it the golf trip you can you'll have other golf trips and if there are not other golf trips then you've had plenty of really good ones yeah he's

1:03:45Ronnie Karam: resentful because he gave up a couple of trips and she it didn't make things better in their relationship because you're still an asshole when you're home what are you not getting so then andy uh asks about couples therapy and he's like uh it's on and off and she goes yeah um well as someone who's like a big therapy uh advocate call like me christian therapy christian everybody knows i love therapy well um yeah you know it's really hard because like when when you're so combative the therapist is like don't come here until you guys are better so that's how therapy works so we'll go to therapy when we're ready and they're all even zach's jack just looks straight at the camera like what and andy goes yeah i don't that's i've never heard that that you wait until you're fighting less and less volatile to go to therapy she's like yep that's that's how it

1:04:38Ben Mandelker: works it means one of two things either the therapist was like they're a lost cause and i don't know how to tell them this so i'll just tell them that they can't come to therapy anymore because they have to do other therapy first or what i really suspect what it is is that she is open to therapy and he is not open to therapy and so he is not being open to the process and he is not sharing and he's not taking anything in and he's not listening to what the therapist is saying so there's no point in going to therapy until he is um mentally receptive to it and they're not there yet i think that's actually reading between the lines what she's really saying here we don't

1:05:14Ronnie Karam: even have to read into that much because we saw in the season they went to therapy and the second that he was called out on something he was like i don't want to go back there i didn't like her she's like judgmental of me so that was that was why he won't go to therapy he doesn't want someone he feels like the women were teaming up on him and then the big question that andy has is well

1:05:37Ben Mandelker: if you would have waited until after the pregnancy do you think you still would have proposed and he's like uh that's a hard thing to try to make up my mind everyone's like bro just say yes and michelle's like that's not good like say yes come on just say yes oh yes like i don't know the last two years feel kind of like a blur i don't know uh would i still want to spend the rest of my life with this crazy demon woman i don't know like say yes bro oh god so embarrassing for kristen this guy and

1:06:12Ronnie Karam: he's like well i wouldn't break up with her and jasmine's like oh my god look at kristen's face kristen looks like she wants to cry but also murder him it's like we practiced this in the whole on the whole plane right here you idiot uh so he asked christian christian kristen her reaction and she's like well obviously it's not super fun to hear but i want him to be honest

1:06:33Ben Mandelker: and he's honest uh i i know that she's putting a good spin on it but yeah my heart breaks for her on this one this is a guy who is not emotionally mature enough to be um in a wedding in a marriage like she is hitching her wagon to a donkey that's gonna drown in the river okay like this is yeah This is no good. The answer is an unequivocal yes. Unhesitant yes. I'm sorry. That's what a show is being.

1:07:07Ronnie Karam: Even if you're lying and faking it, like, yes, fake it till you make it or something. But this whole, like, yeah, he's being so honest and that's really all I want. He honestly doesn't like you. And you should not be with this person. You're lucky in a way that he's being honest. But you should not be in this situation. He's staying here for the television show. Period. In my mind. there's no other reason this guy is terrible i just honestly i just rather and be honest

1:07:35Ben Mandelker: yeah so then andy goes luke you told jesse and danny this season that if things continue this way they are with chris and there won't be a wedding so what is the status the wedding right now he's like well huh things have not continued the way that they were and things have improved i mean he's asking if you still want to marry me uh well i'm not breaking out the engagement i think I think it's a slow burn right now. I'm like, oh, no. Don't say I'm not breaking up the engagement. So he's entry-level commitment into this situation at this point. It's just so insulting.

1:08:14Ronnie Karam: He's holding it over her head like a carrot stick. He's dangling it. Like, oh, look, you could marry me if you behave. It's just gross. Get rid of him. She said when she started with him on the show, like, well, you know, I don't know if he's the right one forever, but it's the time that I need to have a baby. If I'm going to have a baby, I need to do it now. And he would be a good partner to have a baby with. So I'm just going to have a baby with him. And if it works out, it works out, you know. And now I think it's clear that the guy you fucked behind the tent at the wedding, it's not the guy.

1:08:46Ronnie Karam: we all know any of us who have fucked a guy behind the tent at a wedding know that's generally not the person you're going to marry you know yeah also he's like knows what i think he's trying to

1:08:56Ben Mandelker: make it yeah yeah and like he's just not he's just not he's not mature enough for this so uh andy asked if they want to have another baby and she says she doesn't know what her chances are fertility wise um and they would like do they go to the same doctor but what if we like we want to to the same doctor but like what if we don't live here by the time that happens so then what about do we have to go to see a different fertility doctor so andy's like whoa whoa whoa if you don't live here does that mean you might go to colorado she's like oh no god no not colorado ew uh disgusting and luke he gets this nasty look on his face he does that sort of like passive aggressive laugh he's like that's an aggressive way to respond to colorado only the best state in america quite frankly there shouldn't be any other state it should just all be colorado united state of colorado thank you very much one day it's going to be its own country so a judge not not not sorry i forgot to say the saying and kristen's like well i love the ranch i mean it's amazing

1:09:59Ronnie Karam: but we're not going to live there i mean it's in the middle of nowhere and this really pisses him off and anyone who's watched his show for so long knows why because that has been his plan the whole time is to move to his ranch in colorado and kristen has kind of resisted it but kind of said okay at some point when we're done with la we're gonna go back and live his dream life in colorado so now she's like hell no we're not going back there and he's pissed this couple should not be

1:10:27Ben Mandelker: together break up well also the way he shits on la all the time and all the time which is fine i think you know la is la is always a great city to dunk on i mean even us i love la but even here it's fun to dunk on la but um but then the moment she says something about colorado he is so bothered and he said so many things that are so much more insulting to her about her and then she says something about his state and he is pissed and you can see he's really pissed you know that they had an argument later on about it too this guy sucks oh yeah congratulations you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap for part two go look for the recap that says part two see you over there suckers watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like Alison King.

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1:14:55Ben Mandelker: I'm having my hot Caesar summer, Ronnie. Yes. Caesar sauce? I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

1:15:07Ronnie Karam: I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan garlicky blend with some lemon in it. And you can dip anything in there.

1:15:15Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the Krispy strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

1:15:30Ronnie Karam: Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

1:15:37Ben Mandelker: I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

1:15:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love. And that's how I'm going to go down.

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