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1:23Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on bravo that we just love to talk about this is part two of the recap if you missed part one go check out your podcast feed it's right there and without further ado let's get right back

1:35Ronnie Karam: into the recap so now let's switch gears drake versus kendrick to tupac versus biggie pop culture i was like are these all people lala think she is sometimes like what where is this going i know

1:51Ben Mandelker: these people pop culture has given us some iconic rivals and at this point we can probably add the bucos versus the caperinas to the list so jason um crotch from under your arm says you previously defended jack's bad behavior but are in an uproar over dandy's what's the difference um well number one i never uh defended what jacks did like his behavior i mean like i took him to rehab and after he got out i was like you're pretty much cured and i think uh you're probably a really great guy now and i took i know i took some time to see if he is going to make some changes because it's a big deal to go to rehab for 30 days and i think that like you know when somebody does something like that they deserve a little bit grace and like time to maybe see if they've changed things around you

2:33Ronnie Karam: know pretty cool yeah but zach and i even for a second gave like a hint of sort of any friendship with jacks britney would be so pissed at us and zach goes yeah like are you talking about it Thanksgiving. And she's like, oh, he goes, actually, it was Christmas. It was Christmas you guys spent with Jax. And Janet goes, oh, yeah, it was not Thanksgiving. It was Christmas. Oh, much better. OK. And before they obfuscate what's happening here, the accusation is that you guys are such fucking hypocrites about Danny being a disgusting alcoholic, which, by the way you've been right about and danny is a disgusting man who acts terribly when he's drunk but then you're supporting someone who is literally abusing your friend drunkenly on camera like on the ring cameras so this slippy slow this slippery shit of jackson jason is i think pretty hypocritical

3:31Ben Mandelker: and i'm glad it's being called yeah i think it's uh it's i i agree i think it's gross um i we never I never understood why Jason was so friendly with Jax even before the rehab thing. I feel like Jason – I like Jason actually. I do like Jason and I feel like he seems like a smart guy, but I never understood why he gave Jax passes. I thought that was like a failing on his part. And so – but now it's interesting because –

3:58Ronnie Karam: I think he likes Jax because he's kind of a dorky guy and Zach – I mean Jax is a cool guy. I mean he's a disgusting guy, but he's like the star of Vanderpump Rules and he's got all this going on. And especially the way Jax talks, God knows what he's telling Jason he's got going on. And Jason just likes being part of the cool kids club.

4:17Ben Mandelker: I know. That's what's so funny about Jason is that he presents almost like he's the star quarterback. He's this tall, handsome, successful, smart guy. He's got everything going on. But his energy, you can see he was actually sort of nerdy. He's kind of like just a big, hot nerd. And Jax is actually the jock guy. He's the popular guy in school. And I think that Jason was just drawn to that. I don't know like that's how it seems from the outside um but what's interesting here is that

4:44Ronnie Karam: the conversation well that's both of them in that couple no because he's like that with Jax and then Janet's like kind of the follower of Sheena and you know all the other people who were stars on TV that she couldn't wait to meet so they're kind of like fans I guess as a couple and they wanted to keep that going because they didn't know Jax wasn't going to come back they didn't you know no one knew that Jax wasn't going to be back so you still got to kiss the ass to make sure that he's not coming after you on the show next year and you're going to still be friends with Jax well

5:13Ben Mandelker: what's interesting is that this was like a moment where I thought there was going to be a bit more grilling on Janet and Jason about their relationship with Jax and it actually became more about like hey it's not fair because if hey like Kristen's saying if I said anything nice to Jax or if Zach said anything nice to Jax, Brittany, you would have been furious at us, but then Jax fully goes over to their place for Christmas and you weren't mad about it. Like, that's not fair. So it became like an issue about Brittany. And I thought that was like, this doesn't feel like that should be the primary concern here.

5:50Ben Mandelker: Right? But they decided to go down this path anyway. And so Brittany is like, well, I just like the way that Jason was handling it. And if you guys ever talked to him, like even after he came out and you were like nice to him at first i wouldn't be mad i would be mad if you talked to jackson first and he was not because you know it just came out real i wouldn't be mad at all yeah right

6:11Ronnie Karam: and she goes well you talked to jacks kristen when you know when he got out and i wasn't mad about it and kristen goes wait a minute you knew exactly what i was doing i think kristen was saying you know i was talking to him to pump him for information for you why are you bringing that up that's kind of the vibe i got because she was like you know i was talking to him britney and goes right but i'm just saying i wasn't mad or anything and so zach's like yeah you guys having

6:35Ben Mandelker: oh go ahead sorry i just want i want to interrupt because i just had a thought that i think is actually pretty important which is that i think when jason says like look when someone gets out of rehab you you owe them some grace to see if they've changed i think that's 100 correct right like you you can't you have to like be like okay they put in work they put in effort let's see how this works out like let's not be let's be open-minded but like let's not also forget that while Jax was in quote unquote rehab, he was sending Brittany vicious text messages the entire time to the point where she was moved to actually get a divorce while he was in rehab.

7:10Ben Mandelker: And he knew that was happening. So that does kind of undermine his position of like, well, you know, I was, I just like, I just picked him up from rehab and I just want, I want to see, you know, give him some grace to see if maybe you change. It's like, you know, he didn't change. Well, yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying.

7:26Ronnie Karam: And I agree with you. And that's why I'm saying it's not just that the drunken rehab, it's the abusing his wife. Like he was throwing her around. He threw her into the bushes. He threw her computer across the room. And I don't know, in front of the kid, it's really bad stuff that whether Jax went to rehab or not, he's still being abusive towards his wife. And you know that. And this woman is your friend. And then you're still going to invite him over to Christmas to be nice. fuck off. I can't believe they get away with that shit. They're such fucking hypocrites, both of them. And that doesn't mean that Danny didn't deserve to be told off or anything else.

8:03Ronnie Karam: Danny will be getting his today as well. But Janet and Jason are huge fucking hypocrites. It makes me crazy. And then she does the whole, well, I asked Brittany if I could do it because my answer was going to be no. But then Brittany said it would actually help her because it would take a load off of her not having to think about where Jax is going to be on the holidays so i did it for britney i did it i'm a good person that's why i did it no you had her abuser into your home at christmas what are you thinking i would never yeah i think that was

8:33Ben Mandelker: uh i think that was a lapse in judgment i mean the whole thing was like a little weird to me about about britney saying like it actually made my life easier for them to take on jacks because that way jacks wouldn't be like wouldn't be blowing up my phone i mean the whole thing is like a little weird i don't know it's actually so there's so many issues going on in terms of like jackson i don't know i just i don't know i feel bad that had to like had to enlist people to distract jacks that way she could have some peace on the holidays well she's also she's this is also where she's

9:09Ronnie Karam: like well you know like it did come help me she's doing this thing with her hands where she's making like crazy news person hands and kristen's like look at her hands look at her hands look at britney's hands because i think that's her tell like she's clearly just full of shit because this show is also about being on teams so britney's like no you know i'm team i'm staying solid with janet and jason like you're not coming from my alliance right now i think there are probably what there

9:39Ben Mandelker: there probably was an element of like oh we've been canceled by the audience jack's been canceled like we understand like like i wonder if they thought like oh jacks is a little misunderstood the way we feel like we're misunderstood so they were more open to him in that way you know because i'm just trying to imagine you know i'm trying to imagine i really do actually have a hard time believing that like they would embrace jacks in that way like i really do and And so it's like it's so bizarre to me that they had him over for Christmas. It really, really is. But I can imagine there's probably something about like the weird bond that we see later this episode of being canceled by the audience or just receiving so much audience hate that like you maybe gravitate towards other people who've been through it before.

10:32Ben Mandelker: It's so weird.

10:34Ronnie Karam: Well, maybe. But then Janet would be best friends with Kristen. You know what I mean? That's for sure. Yeah. So I don't know. Danny was following Jax around all last year, being quote unquote supportive. And Janet wasn't. Janet was a little more like, gross, like fuck Jax. She was kind of helping Brittany through that. So I'll give her credit for that. But yeah, Jason is just an ass kisser. I think this is like a popular guy. And they don't know if he's going to be back on the show or not. And they don't want to fuck themselves over on the show. I think they're thirsty, you know, kind of hangers on.

11:08Ronnie Karam: um so personally not to you know not to put it too lightly this is the lady that

11:14Ben Mandelker: made me a coffee cake you better tread lightly that's just the vibe i've always you know gotten from the foot but the funny part is that jason strangely enough despite all this i do think he's the best he's the best husband of this entire group because i mean quite frankly like quite frankly like the this whole thing with having jacks over for christmas to me i i don't get it i don't understand it um but he's the only one who actually treats his spouse with kindness and support and sticks up for her no matter what

11:52Ronnie Karam: yeah no matter what and he will go have private lunches with whoever he needs to do it he'll do I mean, he'll do whatever. I think he's a very good partner, too. I just don't. But this was a shitty. But I'll give him credit for the good marriage for sure.

12:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think this was a shitty part of this is a shitty part of his journey. Where are we? Danny Bucco time. Is it Bucco time?

12:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, let's skip to Danny because that was a lot. So Andy's like, OK, let's get back to the Buccos and the Caperna's. Danny, Jason tried apologizing to you at the cigar lounge. You're not having it. What could he have said that would have made you more open to moving forward? I'm sorry.

12:36Ben Mandelker: That's what he could have said. I'm sorry. Jason's like, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm sorry for everything. I mean, because I'm like not sorry for everything. I don't know. I don't know everything. Like, I don't think everything is something that I have to apologize for. I'm like, I'm not the one who did things. I wish I didn't call you a clown and a douche and I don't plan to do that again today. And I'm sorry that I lost my temper on you then, but like, what else am I'm sorry for? By the way, I think it's just so funny that like Jason last year at the reunion saying you're a clown is like this like horrific crime.

13:08Ben Mandelker: Like, oh my God, look how Jason just lost his temper. He lost his temper and said the C word. Oh, he said cup. No, he said clown. I demand an apology.

13:19Ronnie Karam: Will they have to make it about that because for whatever reason no one will say the word sexual assault this season have you noticed we have not heard it at all because i won't say it and he it keeps coming up and then he keeps stopping himself so i don't know if they've made it like guy just got too dark or guys danny will walk off the stage and refuse to i don't know what it is no it's because last season

13:39Ben Mandelker: this is what got janet the most in trouble is that she said sexual assault on that boat on that boat and then cue all the comments that were like, Jana is the exact sort of person that lands someone in jail. Jana is the person who says sexual assault. And then all of a sudden, like someone's entire life is when she's dangerous, she's a Karen, da-da-da-da-da-da. So no one wants to touch it because no one wants to be accused of that. So everyone's like -

14:04Ronnie Karam: Right, but that's what happens. And that's what was said. You know, Danny did get drunk and grab the ass and be like, get me a, get daddy a drink, honey. And then like rub Michelle's leg. and Janet maybe took it too far saying that. But even at the reunion last year, all the people who hated Janet were like, well, yeah, it was technically sexual assault,

14:24Ben Mandelker: but, but, but, but. But you know what though? I think it's already been the plot.

14:27Ronnie Karam: So you don't have to start saying clown and using all this other language. Just say it with your chest, people. I mean, that's what it's about.

14:35Ben Mandelker: But you know what though? It's actually smart not to say it. And the reason why is because then it becomes a discussion of like, is it sexual assault? Is it not sexual assault? Was this due to his future? It's such a hard word. It's a heavy phrase that can ruin someone's reputation. And it's like, we're not actually talking about that right now, specifically. It's ancillary, but it's not what the primary thing is. So I was like, let's just keep it focused on what it is. You're correct.

14:59Ronnie Karam: I think you're absolutely correct what you're saying. And that's why it's so stupid that Danny kept bringing it up every single episode. You're so worried it's going to ruin your reputation and your children and your this and your that that you're going to sob about for the next hour. but then you made it a point every single episode to demand apology for somebody calling you out on doing it you idiot like what is what do you think what do you think they're going to talk about you

15:24Ben Mandelker: brought it up every episode quite frankly i still believe that danny and nia they're the ones who had the unforced errors last season and obviously this season because he was in the wrong and he had actually what seemed to be a pretty good apology to jasmine that was heartfelt and then it just became a thing of like i've already apologized and like how dare you say something like that about danny it just became about like protecting danny and danny was the one who needed the most protection in this moment and that started last season whether you felt however you felt about the whole situation last season and janet yada yada was she being alarmist was she not whatever like the truth is that danny did something wrong and it really did become about like don't try to like don't do this to danny don't say these things about danny and it's like that's that's where that's where you lost that's where they lost the the thread because it should never then this would have been dead this would have been dead it would have been like uh it was like i was drunk i didn't mean to do that i'm so sorry and i'm gonna work to like build up our our friendship and then it just would have been just another one of these little storylines and then then move forward.

16:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but nope, he had to come back every episode demanding some kind of an apology. You idiot, now you've kept it alive for another year, and the tides have turned. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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18:55Ronnie Karam: FX's The Shards, now streaming on Hulu. So, um, Danny is saying, well, your wife said those words, and you perpetuated it. And then you brought it up every episode this year, idiot. And then Andy's like, uh, Danny, how did it feel to see Janet comparing to Charles Manson? And he's like, that was absolutely ridiculous. And it's like, I was not comparing him to Charles Manson. I was just saying just because I didn't see something with my own eyes does not mean a lot of people weren't serial killed.

19:28Ben Mandelker: No, that's exactly what you did. You did exactly what Jack did last season. I'm not a serial killer. I may be an out of work actor, but I'm not a serial killer too. And he's like such a literalist. He really thinks that he's being called a serial killer. and Brittany's like well Jax actually compared to you and Janet said it like I said it in the room okay and Jax is trying to say like you're like him and he's like don't spin it around don't spin it around I'm not I'm not a serial killer I'm not a sociopath are you kidding can you believe they're calling me a serial killer and I love that Janet finally has to be like okay what I should have said is just like just because it didn't happen to me doesn't mean I can't be affected by it knowing that you put your hands on somebody made me very uncomfortable with you moving forward especially while you were still drinking he's like unable to

20:19Ronnie Karam: deal with the metaphor yeah well that was a pretty there was a funny ass metaphor i mean a charles

20:26Ben Mandelker: mansion uh manson metaphor but for him to be that no but she had to she had to go to that extreme because don't forget she was trying to explain it to luke and luke is like i think you should lay off him and she's like no but you don't understand like you know he's bothering me and And then Luke kept on pressing it. And finally she was like, I don't have to be Charles. I don't have to be Charles Manson to know what I don't have to know Charles Manson to know that what he did was wrong. Like, she's like, I need to use hyperbole here to get through your dumb skull, Luke. And then, of course, it's like, wow, she called Danny a serial killer.

20:57Ben Mandelker: It's like, oh, God, please.

20:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she didn't call Danny a serial killer. But she is extreme. It's just Janet. She's going to go the most extreme in every situation, you know. And they all do, by the way. It's reality TV, by the way. It was a funny-ass moment. So Janet's, yeah, I didn't, I just, it wasn't horrible. I mean, I can understand why he's mad. I'm just not, you know, I love you. I just don't agree. It was great. But still, fuck Danny the most in this situation. And she's like, well, so Nia comes in. She goes, well, that would have been fine if you said it like that, Janet. it but you know you're led to have feelings because of the things that you shared that we found out about and i'm so sorry about that absolutely but it's more the malicious intent of your worst to try to hurt him yeah you know what last season i didn't have many moments where

21:51Ben Mandelker: i was drunk or i had too many to drink i mean chef rogan and she even said on your show he said hey who's this dark side danny i don't even see this dark side danny i mean it's set rogan and lala's like, well, if Seth Rogen says it, I guess it must be Trusk.

22:08Ronnie Karam: I'm assuming you saw the comment that Seth Rogen made recently. Yes. It was of this clip, and he just commented under, and he's like, to be clear, I find his behavior unacceptable.

22:22Ben Mandelker: I find his behavior unacceptable. That's my first attempt ever doing a Seth Rogen impersonation. I don't know if that was true.

22:29Ronnie Karam: So, okay, well, Danny and Nia, we're juggling the chaos of four under four. Oh, for fuck's sake. Here we go. Let's go again.

22:38Ben Mandelker: How are you guys feeling? Now that Adelaide is just over a year old, are you still feeling a lament? How did they not even work in Adelaide's lament in there? So Nia is like, it's gotten a lot better. Can a person develop a gold? Yes, it's gotten a lot better. and we've also implemented a lot of support in our life now. We have an au pair. So we have someone. You know that Dan's like, oh, yeah, au pair. Yeah, daddy likes an au pair. Daniel. Or as I like to call her, ho peach toots.

23:17Ben Mandelker: For a while, we were not able to do that because I was solely focused on the kids. And like everything else is like, it's just like we were like two ships in the night. We weren't able to invest in ourselves. All right. Well, in a private moment at home, you expressed to Danny how overwhelmed and close to burnout you were. How does he normally support you in those situations?

23:35Ronnie Karam: Oh, this answer. Well, you know, he's really supportive of me. And like whenever I'm in a bad mood, he's like, wow, Nia, maybe you need to exercise more, have less calories or do more squats or something. You know, it's very, very supportive. She didn't literally say that, but she was like, you know, he makes sure that I exercise. and that I eat the right things. And I was like, oh, of course he does. You know what would make you feel better? Crunches. Chiefs do.

24:11Ben Mandelker: I actually, believe it or not, this didn't hit me terribly. To me, I sort of heard it as like, maybe we need to do something to be active. Maybe you're feeling down. Let's get out of the house. Let's move around. let's have like a nice meal or maybe need something to feel good about yourself or your body because that was an issue that she had last year was her body so i actually believe it or not was like i was not offended here by that i'm just sort of generally offended by him but believe it or not

24:41Ronnie Karam: this didn't trigger me yeah i've read it as like exercise lose some weight you'll feel better and listen very well any weight i've been and i've been 200 pounds more than this multiple times in my life, I will tell my friends I feel fat. And if one of them tells me, you know what you should do? Eat better and exercise. I'm like, fuck that friend. I never want to hang out with them again. What kind of answer is that?

25:08Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, also, there's this little moment you were trying to finish eating and you needed a little support. And he was like, ha ha, that was funny. And Danny seemed really bothered by the suggestion that he would help you in those moments. And he just really came off like a dick. He's like 100 i was right in that moment 100 i was totally right i love how andy is so he does not

25:32Ronnie Karam: give a shit with these casts you know like the non-housewives cast he's like you're really a dick all right what do we think about that uh so danny pretends that he's like totally taking accountability and then um nia says they started intense couples therapy before the show started and they'd been in a place where they're irritable and snappy with each other. And usually if we have a window, like we can pull it back really quick. I'm almost like, wait, hold on. Hold on. Can I say something, though? Because I understand because I have two kids, too. And I can't even imagine having like four. Like I get it's exhausting.

26:09Ronnie Karam: But watching that, Nia, you are in this completely solo. And it did feel like, oh, my God, this is the norm for them. And the way you handled it, Danny, like I wanted to praise you or sorry, the way you handled Danny, I wanted to praise you. But I also wanted to jump through the fucking TV and to puck your ass. OK.

26:27Ben Mandelker: I wanted to deck him for use. So Andy's like, OK, great. Thanks, Lala. So what was your reaction when you saw that? And Danny goes me. I mean, I was a complete nightmare going into that weekend again. It is what it is. You know, I was up all night with a screaming toddler, and by screaming toddler, I mean a nice can of White Claw in the garage. And in the crib with her and going on no sleep and had a lot of stress and anxiety about going on that trip with the Caperonus. It was basically Janet's fault. And, you know, they were going to be there and knowing that there was going to be a lot of conflict.

27:03Ben Mandelker: And unfortunately, I was snappy, and I took it out on the person that I loved the most, which is, of course, a can of Schlitz. And I really wish I could have taken those things back. And Sheen. I'm like, thank you for your very well-prepared little monologue there. Blaming the baby. Baby and the Caperna's.

27:24Ronnie Karam: Yes. Yeah, Janet and Jason are both like, oh, he's talking about us. He's talking about us. They're whispering at each other, but they're also making big hands. We see you guys. Okay, we know. And so Andy's like, you were annoyed because you wanted the babysitter helping more. Do you usually not help put the baby down? I'm a dad now. And Danny's like, well, I think Nia would agree. I usually go above and beyond. All right, Nia, Nia, Nia. And she's like, yeah, he's the most involved dad. You know, I don't even like putting the baby down for a nap. He puts the baby down for a nap. What about that, everybody?

28:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I change all the diapers. I get up two to three times a month. And people say I don't know how to swaddle, but I watch Nia Schwaddle all the time. And I'm like, I could probably do that someday. So like, I don't know what people are talking about.

28:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know that the argument has ever been from the audience. I haven't read it, that he's a bad dad. I don't get the vibe that he's a bad dad. It's that you treat your wife abysmally on TV while she's trying to be a good mother.

28:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, I think there are a lot of people who feel like Nia has to do it all and Danny does nothing. And that definitely seemed to come off this way. I mean, in the seasons past, he seemed to be actually a bit more hands-on and i'm not saying that he's not hands-on now but he definitely was presented more as someone who's making nia do it all and um i don't know i kind of i do feel like he's he probably is hands-on to an extent but i do think that nia is doing most of the work like he definitely seems like he requires like a good amount of attention like he will he will help out he will do some help but with uh with the kids but then he's like and now I need you to help me.

29:10Ronnie Karam: Like, now I need a sandwich for you. Right, ultimately, he's like, but I'm the man in this relationship, and you're supposed to be taking care of me as well. Like, when he got his, when he got snipped or whatever, and he's like, how am I supposed to be stuck here with the kids? I need to be taken care of right now. And then he's like, why would the audience think that I'm not there as much for my kids as Nia is? Because of scenes that you did, sir. So, basically, he's saying, look, we had a sitter, so So I thought, you know, we need the sitter. So why aren't we using the sitter? But, you know, with sleep deprivation and thinking, you know, when she's telling me to do this or if I could do this, when I'm like, well, we have a sitter, she could put her down.

29:52Ronnie Karam: Like it played into how I was feeling. But watching it back is horrifying, you know. And I had kind of spoken the looks I was given. And, you know, again, Danny, if it was one time, but it was the San Diego trip nonstop, it was the other trip nonstop. It's always, it seems like always. And I like, well, we're not here yet, but I like when Andy was like, yeah, it seems like if you'll talk that way on camera, like, what's the, how are you talking to her in private? You know? Yeah. But right now he's saying, Kristen, what was your reaction? And here's Kristen for her big rehearsed. um i just have to say i was horrified when i saw how danny treated nia on tv i had no idea yes you did and you've been on the after show standing up for his ass too so stop pretending you suddenly care kristin it really bummed me out um yes and then this is where andy is like yeah like i guess

30:46Ben Mandelker: the concern is that is this the way you guys act when no one's around and lala's like yeah i think like we saw into the window and you forgot to close the blinds because you seem like very comfortable speaking to her that way and you seem really to know how to deal with it and if like this were out of character i think it would have been like what the fuck is going on and janet's like yeah we like jason we never spoke to each other like that ever he's like yeah totally not so then um uh lala lala it's actually funny because this is a moment when i really want to hear from them about like is this what happens between closed doors but we're getting a lot of lala right now

31:20Ronnie Karam: yeah it's another one of those like lala you're not even on the show but you're right as well so i don't know it's good to see someone calling danny out with his you know bullshit like well sorry we have a baby what's the big deal it was bad though i'm not saying it wasn't bad so it is good having her there calling him out but yeah i've i feel the same way like what so then he's like, listen, you don't even go here.

31:49Ben Mandelker: We've been barred for 10 years. We have four kids, four into four. We have moments that aren't the best where I've said things I've never said before. And she says things that she's never thought she said before. And so like when you're sleep deprived, you just have moments. So you see, it's not a problem with my personality. It's a problem with my sleeping on account of the kids. And also thinking about the preparedness.

32:09Ronnie Karam: It's not about having, it's not about making excuses. It's about having excuses. Do you understand? and Jasmine is sick of it. She's been like muttering through this whole monologue and she's like, oh God, I can't with the kids again. Here we go with the kids. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm so sorry, but I'm about to lose my mind over here because like this whole season, like everybody's like, not everybody, just you, but everybody with the kid thing. It's like, I have kids, I have sleep deprived, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so all the parents are like, how dare you? No, it's not all the parents.

32:38Ronnie Karam: You do not get to say that when you are not a parent. Well, the parents on that side of the couch, Kristen and Luke and Danny and Mia are like,

32:44Ben Mandelker: yeah because everyone else there is a parent you know uh michelle jesse lacy yeah you're right britney janet jason andy people behind the cameras everyone there is a parent and no one is like oh jasmine you're overstepping everyone's just sitting there like mm-hmm like yep it's just that so the

33:05Ronnie Karam: parents on that side of the couch so those shitty christian danini the shitty i almost i almost said

33:11Ben Mandelker: shitty parents not that they're shitty parents but meaning that they're the shitty the shitty people shitty couples right now yeah like how dare you don't have a baby you can't say anything like

33:21Ronnie Karam: that and she's like well i'm just like yeah i mean i know there's struggles and stuff but like yeah i can't sleep because of a kid and i did this and i drink too much because of my kids and i take crits inside because of my kids i didn't don't say that i didn't say that i'm being dramatic danny okay and he goes yeah you are she's why i'm just saying it's like how it's coming off so So again, she doesn't really explain herself that well, but it's like everything being called out for your excuse is that you have a kid. And at some point you just have to say, I was shitty and I need to learn to do better.

33:53Ronnie Karam: And that's it. And not blame everything on being a parent. It's annoying. Again, stop using your kids as human shields. If Lala had said that, I think they would have had a different reaction.

34:04Ben Mandelker: and the fact that jasmine said it and like all four of them at once just like went right at her i don't know that also made me feel a little uncomfortable um so andy is like he's like well welcome back to season three for more of all the reunion luke we invited you and christen to appear on watch happens live together guess what luke by the way you thought we were on danny we're back to you so we invited you on watch what happens live together a few weeks ago and you told my producers that you would only come if Kristen was not involved, that you needed a break. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Back to you, Luke.

34:39Ben Mandelker: Luke, you are my father. And I am your father, I should say. You're not my father. I'm confused. Star Wars, am I right? I am your father, Luke. And your father is telling you, what the fuck is going on with you?

34:53Ronnie Karam: Another movie I didn't get to see because Kristen's controlling my whole fucking life. oh god wait a second ask that i just screamed at the tv are you fucking kidding me you said you'd go do watch what happens live without kristen because you're sick of her what the fuck and kristen's like yeah luke go ahead and say and so then they kind of change this around and so kristen starts trying to explain again it's like well i was asked to do it our nanny was out of town so i said we'll have to bring kaya and he said okay maybe my mom can come take care of kaya and then So I was looking for flights for his mom so she can be with Kaya.

35:27Ronnie Karam: And so do you want to say what you really said, Luke? And he's like, well, do you want to say the part where you said you were just going to be in the room the entire time? We can't even do anything. And I'm like, that sounds miserable. And going across the country to change our sleep schedule for less than 48 hours. Luke, you told Watch What Happens Live you wanted to go without Kristen so you can get a break from her. Stop with this. That's nothing to do with a baby. Stop it. oh this was that was shitty he's like i mean sometimes you need space and honestly like

35:59Ben Mandelker: jumping over three time zones to like not even get adjusted and jump back we had a week to fight with the baby it just wasn't gonna oh god i don't know okay here's what i'm gonna say as someone who does not have a child uh i mean there's a i would say there's a 75 chance i'm wrong on this but i'm gonna tell you what it always feels like to us childless people sometimes i feel like when i try to make a plan with someone who has a child and they say well the baby's sleep schedule and we really don't want to get them out of whack sometimes i feel like you're it's like the equivalent of saying i have to wash my hair that night like i sometimes i feel like is this really true are you really big is this like i believe that you know kids kids need a sleep schedule.

36:46Ben Mandelker: I believe that a hundred percent, but I also often feel like I'm on the receiving end of that excuse so many times that I'm like, is this true? Is this true? I'm like, as the, like, like, oh, we're not gonna do a single thing. Cause the baby's sleep schedule is this really true? I know, I know, I know parents will get mad at me, but I'm saying as someone who doesn't have kids, that's how it always feels like It literally always feels like.

37:11Ronnie Karam: And I think that going across a time zone that's three hours different, I mean, I see what he's saying as far as that can be a mind fuck. But the thing that's so infuriating is just like, okay, I'll just go. And Kristen can stay home with the baby. It's like, no. No one wants you, Luke. No one is like, wow, watch what happens live. That's going to be a better show with Luke. You've got the personality of a broken pencil, okay? Nobody wants you. You're there because of Kristen. So to be like, Kristen can say, and I'll just go party with everybody in New York and go to Soho Club with the guys and do all this, which you know is what he's thinking.

37:50Ronnie Karam: And Kristen was probably like, yeah, we'll get your mom, but I don't want you going out and getting shit-faced all night. But I can't even have fun on my trip. It's just gross. You're here because of Kristen. And don't ever tell yourself otherwise. Please.

38:04Ben Mandelker: yeah and also by the way he his response to watch what happens live was not i can come but kristen will have to stay back with the baby because we don't want to mess up the baby's sleep schedule his response was i'll come only if kristen's not involved right yeah so this guy's just different

38:19Ronnie Karam: it's it's hard watching him because he he's such a piece of shit that he can't even learn to fake it

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39:39Ben Mandelker: Rodney, quick question. A rough estimate. How many, like, I just want a ballpark number. How many DMs do you think I'm going to get from parents who are going to be like, You don't understand. Babies need to have a sleep schedule. How many do you think I'm going to get? I'm going to say 47. If it makes it fair, we're both going to be in trouble today.

40:00Ronnie Karam: So just let it wash over. What are you going to be in trouble for? I've been bashing babies the whole time. I don't want to list them because if they slid through people, you know, people's ears and right out of them. I don't need to remind people why to be mad at me.

40:15Ben Mandelker: I will say this. you people can save their dms um because if you dm me and say no it really is true you like mess if you mess up a baby's sleep schedule it like you up for an entire week i accept it i accept it it's fine i yeah you don't even have to dm me i i fully accept it i'm not giving you back i'm not

40:36Ronnie Karam: i know it's true i'm just saying so many babies every time you know with my every time i try to

40:41Ben Mandelker: like do something i just feel like like i'll be like do you gotta uh get lunch i want the baby i just can't mess with the baby's sleep schedule like really lunchtime that's the thing it changes

40:51Ronnie Karam: you know people know how much a baby changes a couple but they don't think about me in that like you're not thinking about how much it's changing my schedule okay it's just tough it's tough for us yeah friends gotta get on the baby schedule and now i know it you know my friends with babies and my close loved ones with babies i know the schedule i know when we can go out and do shit and frankly now that i'm getting older it's really matching an old man's schedule too because i'm like it's dark get that baby in bed because and by baby i mean me goodbye goodbye

41:22Ben Mandelker: baby you know i'm gonna start doing like if i'm gonna start also pulling the schedule card the sleep the sleep schedule card like hey do you want to hang out but we can only hang out like at 10 a.m on saturday like i'm so sorry that's going to mess up my doing something else schedule so So, yeah, you have it.

41:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, different time. You have that with board games or with, you know, you're involved in a lot of things. You can't just hang out at any time. And board games are my babies. That's your baby. Now I realize. That's your right. So just, and anyway, it's not even about the babies or when they sleep. Nobody gives a fuck. It's the point that they're using them as an excuse and a shield for their bad behavior. So, Andy is like, okay, I need to play devil's advocate. Why don't you guys just have five nannies? Everybody needs five nannies. Come on. You need a backup nanny, a backup nanny. I know. You got to get a backup.

42:19Ronnie Karam: Okay, we'll get a backup. Andy, this is the cast of The Valley. They barely had, look at what Britney is, Britney is wearing a fast food wrapper, like as a dress. You don't pay these people enough to have five nannies? Stop it.

42:33Ben Mandelker: They can't. They can't. um all right Chris so uh okay so at dinner the first night of of San Diego Kristen you were feeling like Luke wanted to leave and he was trying to come for you and you asked him if he was only saying that because he was on microphone was he more supportive of you on camera than off and just well around that time I felt like that yeah but I wouldn't say it was the camera it was just that it was on and off and like some days he was super sweet and then other days he was barely speaking and like in that moment i was like are you being for real like are you being this sweet to me right now is this real it's like okay cool so he's so basically your husband's an

43:11Ronnie Karam: asshole then he was nice to you on camera and you were like are you really being nice to me or is it because their cameras here yes just say yes kristin so then we get to danny and um danny is asked if he felt more for janet because janet had such a hate campaign against her on tv and now he's experienced it does he feel any kind of empathy basically and he's like well those were completely different situations and lala's like the answer should be just yes yes that's it and he's like excuse me cheese to peach i didn't talk the whole first half of this day okay let me talk

43:54Ben Mandelker: now it's like but like it's not like they're different of course they're different of course Okay, well, I was going to listen. I was going to go into a yes and then an apology and then, I don't know, maybe a monologue from my favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe feature film. But I guess I can't do that.

44:12Ronnie Karam: You open your mouth every time I talk. She's like, I do talk a lot. She's like, no kidding. Jeez, the page, Mary and Joseph, Jehoshaphat, whoosh, whoosh. Okay, Danny, just make your point, please. And he's like, well, I never experienced it in my life. I was told to kill my, okay. I don't want to read this in a voice. He says, I was told to kill myself so that my wife and my kids could have a better life. Who said that? What the fuck is wrong with people?

44:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's just awful. People, I mean, Danny sucks, but like, let's, let's also like get a grip and like, let's just keep it to snarky comments. Well, it's not like wish death upon him. It's not that serious. That's crazy.

44:56Ronnie Karam: People stop, stop it, get help. So he's saying he cried about it and he didn't want to get out of bed. And so he does want to apologize to Janet for all the stuff she experienced with that. And him being in a place at the time of liking or reposting and doing things like that, he also apologizes. And he doesn't even say, but I have a baby, which is impressive. It's the first time today.

45:21Ben Mandelker: So this was like the most emotionally honest moment amongst the entire cast. because then they all start crying because half of them have been in a place where the audience has come at them with pitchforks i mean kristen lala um just others they're all just like crying and uh they all know what it's like to have just pure hate from the internet coming their way so andy's like well lala what bothered you the most hearing uh the way danny was speaking to Nia while everyone was prepping for the pageant and she's like his tones and by the way I did not you know I did walk up and I said are you trying to be funny and be in character because like we know you love a good character I mean it's not a funny character but you love a good character and are you like trying to be a dick and he was like no I'm in character but then like when I left it was like clear that like Nia was like uncomfortable and I just like you know he felt like he wasn't listening to her so of course I stepped in.

46:15Ronnie Karam: So Danny asks or Andy asks Danny if he would have reacted to any of the men the same way that he reacted to Lala. And he's like, no, I wouldn't have. It's like, why? Because I have penises. Why else? She was triggered. Farts to marks.

46:35Ben Mandelker: It's like, all right. But he says, he's like, I don't know Lala. So I don't like someone just coming in and weighing in. I don't know her. And Kristen's like, well, what if I did it? He's like. Yeah. I mean, if you came in, I feel like I would have 100 % have a different reaction. I would have been like, look, there's a crazy lady trying to talk to me.

46:52Ronnie Karam: Kristen's like, yeah, Kristen jumping in to help. Kristen jumping in to help because obviously what Andy was saying was, was it because it was a woman that you were reacting like that? And he's like, yes. Kristen's like, let me help you rephrase that. It would have been okay if it was a woman, just not her, right? And he's like, yeah. So she says, you know, but then Kristen adds, oh, but I was horrified. I want everybody to know, watching it on TV, horrified, you know. And so Danny's like, well, obviously I was in the wrong. But, you know, he's asking the question. If someone else came in instead of the way you had, I would have had a different reaction.

47:30Ronnie Karam: It's just I'm in the wrong 100 percent. OK, over and over. Monster, terrible. Sorry about your fridge, Zach. But still, you all get it, right? I should have never talked to my wife that way.

47:41Ben Mandelker: well Michelle you points out that everyone is afraid to say something critical of Danny and Mia because of what happened to Janet and uh so you know cause she shared her opinion and got a lot of blowback so uh who here do you think has more to say but isn't speaking up and she's like well I think at one point Jasmine in Mexico was talking about it and Brittany and Jason and Janet and like everyone and I just think in general throughout different situations with people you know i was trying to be a middle person and resolve this situation because everyone was talking about it and i was just trying to help and so dan's like jasmine's like well this is where it gets confusing and dan's like yeah it was really confusing you know because one half was saying one thing and the other half was saying another and lala's like can i say something about that though by all means lala take the floor again i actually understand danny's confusion in this because to see a group of people who go to him and have a problem with his behavior when he's drinking it and they say no drink as much as you want like no you can't because you become unpredictable and by the way many people do like many people who are totally normal you know who are not like me who's like in a program so like you know to have like this group saying like that saying this it was just confusing so i guess that okay danny Now, do you want to say why you were confused?

49:04Ben Mandelker: Because I think I just said it for you.

49:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, on one hand, you're not supposed to tell other people they're an alcoholic, right? Like that's up to them to go on their own journey. But at the same time, when you're acting like a drunk idiot every time, people have the right to say you're acting like an idiot and we don't want to hang out with you. You know? Yeah. But goddamn, this conversation. Because he still doesn't get it. He's just looking like, what? Some people say I can drink. Then some people say I can't. What am I supposed to do? Well, hopefully you've seen yourself on camera and you know that you're a drunk idiot and you'll stop it.

49:39Ronnie Karam: But he doesn't. So Jasmine's trying to explain, like, you're trying to make it in the gay bar about shaking your hips. Nobody cared about shaking your hips, but you were going to every single person making a huge deal. By the way, fall down drunk that day. He was miserable that night in Mexico at the gay bar. and he's like, yeah, well, that was me. I said to not shake my hips, you know, she was trying, you know, but it just, it got me mad. And he's like, and, you know, I was like, I can't dance. I can't even shave my hips. This is ridiculous. And they're like, no, we don't up the stairs by a go-go boy.

50:19Ronnie Karam: To strap.

50:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And they're like, no, we don't care about your hips. Do your hips. Just like, just be a better drinker, you know? And he's like, so Andy's like, well, it does make me wonder what would have happened if you'd not been drinking in those situations. It's like, you know, you're right. And to talk, Josh, go ahead. Go ahead, fair Ronnie. No, I'm so sorry.

50:44Ronnie Karam: I didn't. I just thought you were going to stop. And then you didn't stop. You're like a baby.

50:49Ben Mandelker: I'm just like me drinking. I don't stop. I don't stop.

50:53Ronnie Karam: I thought this was just so funny because Andy's like, okay, here's your opportunity to have your special moment about your drinking problem. Danny, let's open the floor to Danny, guys. He's going to come clean. We're all going to cry and wrap up this episode. Danny's like, well, you know, I've been thinking a lot since wrapping eight months ago. And I've never, I want everyone to know. I've never, I thought he was going to say, I haven't had a drink since then. Or, you know, like I saw what I was, I stopped drinking. He goes, well, I have never been that intoxicated since. And I started cracking up because like, come on.

51:37Ronnie Karam: And since then, I've been in therapy. And I really looked at my doctor, Grey Goose, and I looked at my relationship with alcohol. And I said, God, this is a strong relationship. And so I've been working and making my stronger self-control. you are now now you're in trouble as far as because this alcohol conversation goes because you can't even say i'm not drinking you're like i'm just not that drunk anymore guys i've got a handle on it and then they're like what about the wedding what about they're all whispering about

52:08Ben Mandelker: this they're all whispering about jasmine's wedding so finally andy's like okay what happened jasmine's wedding and she's like mine what and then they all are like you want to say it you You want to say it? You want to say it? Jesse, why don't you say it? Jesse, you should say it. He's like, it has nothing to do with me. They're like, say it, Jesse. And he's like, what happened at the wedding?

52:28Ronnie Karam: And Lala's calling Jesse out because he's lying. She's like, bullshit. That's bullshit, Jesse. Because of course, Jesse came and told everybody what happened at the wedding and now wants to stay on his side of the couch's team. And so he won't say it. So now they're all stressing to get him to say it. So what happened at the wedding?

52:47Ben Mandelker: dun dun dun we're gonna find that out next week spoiler alert it's that he probably got wasted and ignored Nia so acted like a total drunk asshole at the wedding yeah well good times everyone thanks for being here for this extra long episode of the valley next week we wrap it all up the last valley of the year so join us for that actually join us every single day join us for our recap of next gen new york city featuring us hey oh we'll talk to you on the next episode bye everyone watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alice and king our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious it's amanda foster it's always automatic with ashley auto put your hands together for carly clap get on the right foot with chrissy

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