#3499 Next Gen NYC S2E08: Pros and Bravocons

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1:31Ben Mandelker: kerr joining me today is the one and only ronnie karam hi how are you ronnie hi how are you man just fabulous we're recapping next gen new york city today super fun episode we may be slightly biased but it still was fun even you know despite any cameos that have happened on this episode before we get into it ronnie is gonna be uh he's gonna be interviewing uh daisy and hannah from below deck on a little uh little cruise there outside of the bay area outside of san francisco on august 23rd so uh go check check all three of them out go get your ticket hop on that boat have a great time with that i guess you go to what hannah or daisy's instagram to get those those tickets yeah they're their links in bio yeah and then i'm gonna be uh interviewing interviewing martin storage who has a new cookbook out called great bakes martin also won um one of the great american baking shows um seasons so uh i will be doing that interview that a conversation in conversation with uh on august 23rd same night and down in los angeles at friends and family which is in east hollywood and you can get those tickets by going to uh the to check out the website for Now Serving, which is a cookbook shop here in LA.

2:52Ben Mandelker: So go get your tickets. Come see us doing some fun extracurricular moderating activities. And speaking of moderating, here we are in an episode where we moderated something on camera. It's Next Gen New York City. It's the BravoCon episode. That last week was all about going to BravoCon. This week is all about being at BravoCon. Ronnie, what did you think?

3:16Ronnie Karam: Wow. What's been expecting? I thought they were just going to show us on the side of the building like last week and that was going to be it. But to have whole scenes, people clawing all over. Just kidding. We didn't have full scenes. We were in it more than I thought. I was like, whoa, it's fucked up seeing yourself like that. Because we do this on video, but I don't watch this shit. I don't even watch myself while we're recording. I have my notes covering my face. I know. I don't ever see myself. and I was like, oh, God, no. I can't even listen to my own voicemail recording. You know, like, hi, it's Ronnie.

3:54Ben Mandelker: Thanks for calling. It's so strange seeing yourself up there. And it was funny. I mean, we got full on, we've got full on Chirons. They put our names up there and everything. So that was, it was wild. I could not believe we were in it as much. Also, it's so fun to see our friends on the show too. You know, they had a previously on. And once again, they put Lara, like in like a mirror on a counter. she's like this would be the time to fuck charlie zaccor i was like i love that laura just has this like line that they keep playing and then we saw kiki monique she was moderating um ceci from the bravo docket she pointed out that they showed her in the audience it's just so fun like what a fun community that we have that we do all these wacky things and this i loved that this show this episode really kind of dug into the bravo con experience in a way that none of the other shows do a lot of the other bravo shows we'll talk about things that happen at bravo con anyway sorry i was just interrupted briefly but what i was just gonna say is that while many other bravo shows we they they allude to bravo con or we'll see some clips this is the first show i feel like where they actually really kind of got into what it's like to actually go to bravo con and walk around and line up backstage and go to events and hang out in the hotel rooms and see the fans so i loved it yeah

5:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I did too. And I love how they just make it such a big deal for them because they're the youngest cast and everybody else like, oh, yeah, you're a bitch at BravoCon. But for them, they're like, oh, my God, it's BravoCon. The whole new world. Where are we? Look at all these people. Look at all these lights. We're stars. We finally made it. You know, they're coming out like they're at the Oscar Awards. And it's just funny how they really elevate it in their minds. But that said, it is a super fun weekend. And it is really intense being around so many other Bravo lovers and like the fans dressing up as different things.

5:53Ronnie Karam: Like at one point in this episode, they were talking to fans on the street who were wearing like pink wigs. and another lady I think was wearing like a Lisa Rinna wig and they were talking to these kids and they were looking at them like, what the fuck are you guys talking about?

6:09Ben Mandelker: Can I say something? I believe those women were at our party because I recognize them. Unless my brain is playing tricks on me, that scene that was shot, that was shot at the base of the staircase that went up to our party. And for some reason, I feel like when they came in, they're like, we just saw Gia downstairs. Like in my mind, I have this memory. I could be now completely fabricating it in order to like insert.

6:34Ronnie Karam: They look familiar to me too, especially the Lisa Rinna hair lady.

6:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I'm like, am I just doing this? That way I have another way to insert ourselves into this episode. Like it's like not enough to physically see ourselves. I'm like, no, that was our party. That was upstairs. They were coming to our party. Those ladies were at our party. But I'm pretty sure that they were there. I seem to remember the pink wigs. I seem to remember talking with them. I seem to remember them saying that Gio was downstairs. and it was literally filmed at the base of the staircase going up to our party. So basically what I'm trying to say is if you came to our party, you were on next-gen New York City, everyone.

7:05Ben Mandelker: Pretty much.

7:07Ronnie Karam: But yeah, it was a really cute episode. So let's get into it. It's season two, episode eight. BravoCon loading. It's BravoCon day one. We're just seeing what everybody's doing in their rooms. Mira saw Dorinda in the elevator. She was in full glam. Shy has no idea where the fuck he is. He doesn't know what BravoCon is or what he's even doing here. I don't really believe him because I feel like Shy has done a lot of Googling and Shy loves the fame.

7:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there's something about this. Like the insistence by like Shy and Charlie and Liam and some others being like, I don't even know what BravoCon is. I mean, I have a general idea of what it is, but I don't like really know what it is. I'm like you just you voluntarily you joined up on a reality show on Bravo but you didn't do any sort of research or consideration of what Bravo is you're just trying to be too cool for school you're like I'm a filmmaker I don't do these things I'm a fashion designer I don't do these things you're on Bravo you know what BravoCon is yeah you know

8:12Ronnie Karam: you've at least Googled so then Then we see Ava on FaceTime with her mom, Rachel. Rachel is Becky with the good hair, right? I think that's what the rumor is, yes. So she's on with her mom, Becky with the good hair. I love you're like, ooh, ooh. Because she's like, look at me, I'm just a sweet mom. I'm like, I know what you did. You're lucky Solange isn't near.

8:43Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, she was the loveliest person. we met her backstage and she was she was really lovely but don't you came up if you know like some some gossip about somebody aren't you always like well that's what was so funny was that she introduced herself to us she came up to us and she's like you guys just want to say you guys did such a wonderful job moderating you guys are just so wonderful my name's rachel i'm ava's mom nice to meet you i'm i'm like yeah we know who you are rachel but also because she's like a designer and she's been on Top Model and all these things. So, like, it was just funny to me.

9:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It was just...

9:17Ben Mandelker: At all times. Yeah.

9:20Ronnie Karam: So, they're talking. Shy's nervous. Ava is... He's asking Ava how this all works. He's like, do we have to, like, talk in front of a lot of people? And she's like, yeah, they like Paris with people. So, like, I'm glad I'm with Brooks because he's, like, been to BravoCon before and, like, he knows what's going on. Okay, that's assuming a lot.

9:41Ben Mandelker: talking about brooks that's that's like saying um hey i'm glad that um i have karen huger as my driver because she's driven a car before it's like just because you've driven a car before does not mean that she is maybe the best one to be behind the wheel yeah and meanwhile brooks is

9:59Ronnie Karam: i think i need anti-anxiety medication because my heart races when i leave my apartment to even go get coffee in the morning so now we see them going around shy's like i'm gonna go to the convention

10:15Ben Mandelker: area and he's like best case scenario being more accustomed in this bravo world worst case scenario is like making absolute fool of myself oh my god hi guys i definitely feel like i'm an imposter and then the producer's like have you ever had imposter syndrome before he's like um i'm an immigrant in this country imposter syndrome is like my second nature so then um shy is on like a panel and then um and then this he's getting ready for it to go on a panel and this guy harrison his friend is like telling him what his rundown is he goes okay you're gonna be on with carol reza ashley darber darby and whoever molly o 'connell is i don't know oh the molly o 'connell verne oh molly astray out of nowhere well i've been studying these people so we have the bravo

11:04Ronnie Karam: it's not it's like a thing so meanwhile george is getting her glam and talking about them being nominated for the bravos and uh the producer says who would be the best person to give an acceptance speech so they all take turns being like uh not me i have anxiety i know i have too

11:23Ben Mandelker: much anxiety so of course they eventually just like give it to gia because she's been in the public eye before so like give it to her but i'll but before then um ariana's like you know what gia speaks like very good lol she speaks very good and like what is it like what's the word you said riley and i was like um eloquent yeah eloquent she's like yeah eloquently sure when And Gia is the most elegant person in the cast. There's an issue.

12:01Ronnie Karam: Well, hey, listen. She's in a cast that doesn't speak good. Brooks is like, if I took a beta blocker, it would be end game. Those bitches would not be able to handle my acceptance speech. By all means. Please. I would love to see, if that's the case, I would love to see that version of Brooks. What if Brooks just showed up?

12:22Ben Mandelker: He's like, hey, girl, what's that? That would be, I don't know what I'd do with myself. I'd be like, the aliens have arrived and Brooks is patient zero. He's the first one infected by the aliens. The body snatchers are here. They're taking over his personality. This is not him.

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14:52Ronnie Karam: FX's The Shards, now streaming on Hulu. So now Amira and Ava are FaceTiming about last night, guys. It was intense. And George is like, yeah, last night was stressful because Charlie and I, like, actually, like, face-to-face about it, like, the first time ever. And obviously it wasn't, like, the most peaceful conversation.

15:14Ben Mandelker: Amira's like well they tried to like resolve the issue and like Georgia like very clearly did not want that so I'm just like tired of it like they just keep bringing everyone else into their problems and Charlie's like yeah I mean like just like awkward and uncomfortable and then like Amira's like Charlie I'm like mad at you again and I'm like mad at Georgia too and like I don't want to like gag all your friends but like whatever.

15:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so George is like, yeah, for like the sake of our sanity, we just need to like, just like put it to our eyes, doggy. And her friend Clark is putting on makeup. He's like, yeah. It's not like you have to have a friendship again. And then he starts poking his nose with his foundation or whatever. He's like, you don't have to be friends again. But you guys, you don't have to like rekindle, but you should like get it back together. I love the poking his own nose. It's like, yeah, you don't have to rekindle. I'm just telling myself, it's really on the nose.

16:07Ben Mandelker: I love that there's like this, there's like a little like cadre of gays on this show that just sort of like tag along with the ladies and they're just constantly putting makeup on at all times. They're always like patting their face. Always.

16:19Ronnie Karam: Yes. Austin too. Every time they show Austin, just like putting on his makeup. Yeah. They're all so nice and supportive. Okay. So then we see Friday, 15 a.m. and uh ava's like is it gonna be awkward and amira's insisting it won't she's like like this is a work thing whatever so now we don't know if charlie and georgia are gonna be

16:43Ben Mandelker: able to chat what's gonna happen dun dun dun so charlie's like well well hopefully it'll like shine through this time around that i'm just like clearly on some like trying to keep the peace shit it's like okay so then amira's like yeah we just like all need to be like on our best behavior and eva's like are people really gonna be like there at 9 00 a.m like fans they wake up that early and i was like oh yeah honey so now like bravo con craziness and they're all they're all going around taking photos doing things appearing in panels on red carpets and georgia has feathers in her eyes they're just like this it's this look and she's like the bird look was like received very well i mean those who got it got it like everyone's away hello charlie i know about you

17:35Ronnie Karam: i hear about your very drama like what yeah it was very black swan makeup and uh then we cut to rowan quietly walking around in nmc and she sees all these clips of bravo con on her phone and she's I'm like, I mean, I don't know why they're not writing me. I mean, they're having a crazy time. They're stuck in New York. I'm just stuck in New York trying to write this script. Nobody's texting me back. It's me, Ryder Rowan. You know, everything. All my best memories are put into scripts. All my work. I'm like, what? Where is it? Where is it now? So then we see her screenplay. They're like, what would your screenplay be of BravoCon?

18:17Ronnie Karam: She's like, a girl. A girl named Rowan. A girl named Rowan walking in a park, waiting for people to call her. Nobody calls her. Do they hate Rowan? Are they calling Brooke Shields? Am I resentful of my mother? I don't think I am. What is the Nepo baby? Am I allowed to be one? I don't care. I'm calling my dad to read one of my scripts.

18:40Ben Mandelker: Am I still writing? How sad when the Nepo isn't Nepo-ing. It's like you're Brooke Shields' daughter. and they're like yeah you have to stay home from bravo con i was i wonder do you think that they were not allowed to come to bravo con because they didn't want to reveal new cast members yet or wasn't that they were still being tested as like friends of like i think just they didn't

19:01Ronnie Karam: want to reveal it they're like you guys this is huge if this gets out um if it gets out that a

19:09Ben Mandelker: Law and Order day player slash volunteer firefighter is on the cast. They're just going to tear down the Venetian. Okay. So we got to keep this under wraps. Yeah.

19:21Ronnie Karam: I just felt bad because when you said the Nepo is a Nepo-ing, I thought, yeah, because she's like got the screenwriter half and the screenplay was kind of like. And then she's got the sitcom half. And the sitcom half was also kind of like. But I think Rowan needs other people to react off of because I've really liked her on the show so far.

19:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she is good. And by the way, there was one week where we did not recap this show. And I think that was the week when her dad was giving her notes, which we saw a callback to here. Her dad was giving her notes on the screenplay. It was actually a really funny scene because he came and he's like, what is this? This is no way. Why do you why are you doing this? This is too much. This is ridiculous. And then eventually he just looks at the camera and he goes, is this really boring to watch?

20:07Ronnie Karam: I love when he was going over the script. He's like, whoa, you've got way too much going on here. We've got a telephone, an airplane, a vibrator, a pigeon, a trash. Look, what? It's too much. It's like, no, I really don't believe it is. I think that it's actually very well thought out. It's like, X. He's just putting X's through shit. Yeah, that was great. So finally she does get a FaceTime from Brooks. Sorry, yeah, from Brooks and Ava. And they're in the meet and greet. And yeah, it's like, we're so famous. And Rowan is like, and then all of a sudden she sees Georgia. Oh my God, put down the laptop.

20:48Ronnie Karam: Screenplay. Put it down.

20:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah. The screenplay is not selling. Okay, so back to BravoCon. Ariana is telling us, i don't think people really understand that we have a really busy weekend genuinely non-stop and riley's like yeah we're like working barbies this weekend it's like yeah so you have like five minutes to get to this meet and greet and then get to this panel and nobody tells us anything and then they hand you a mic and they send you out there um so basically the point is they're being pulled in all these different directions and then we see a clip of battle the sexes we see them on on the panel with jerry o 'connell which of course likes yo what's the difference between boys and girls i'd love to hear it's been 25 years i've been asked this question

21:32Ronnie Karam: what do you think guys why are women so different from man ask my wife you'll get a 20 minute answer um so he's like so hey um is anything going on between charlie and ariana everybody wants to no and ariana says i would never touch charlie with a 10 foot paw she says i said what i meant and i mean what i said so riley even know what show you're from

22:03Ben Mandelker: the line is i said what i said exactly from your former aunt so um yeah so riley's like i mean he really does wish she could like bang you i mean i would never let even let that happen like no scrubs around here okay you see she knows she knows she knows how to do it she's like bills bills bills

22:26Ronnie Karam: and ariana's like that might hurt his feelings and riley says yeah he doesn't have feelings he's charlie so uh so then we go to an interview where with charlie and um they're they're like oh so what about ariana are you gonna pursue her now that she's single and he's like yeah i mean she's Definitely being pursued. I'll just put it that way.

22:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm really going to pursue a lot. I'm Charlie. Meanwhile, now let's go to Liam's show. And he's FaceTiming Ariana. He's like, hey, what's going on? I was at a film festival. How's everything going there with you? Sorry, the reception at the Angelica Film Center is not so great. Okay, how's BravoCon?

23:12Ronnie Karam: Second, it's really fun. And what is that? I'm hearing, do we have a, is that really bad? I just hear a buzz. It's like a buzz. No, Kendall's here. Kendall's here. All right. I'll talk to you later. I gotta go. Hey, Kendall. She's like, yeah. So what did you think of last night? She's like, yeah. People were really grilling me about Ariana, huh? That's something.

23:44Ben Mandelker: it's a possible Kendall doesn't exist I like when they called her a shadow a few weeks ago like like she's not even there she's just sort of like a shadow and then they made turned her into a shadow I just keep on thinking about that and this poor girl who's like sure I'll shoot some scenes why not it'll be kind of fun and then she just gets roasted on the show and now we all look at her and like who is this girl it's poor girl so she's there to like be like let's let's have like a rom-com moment where we talk about relationships. She's like, you know what's funny? Whenever you've dated a girl in the past, you give me updates like every 15 minutes and Ariana, you're like so quiet about that.

24:22Ben Mandelker: Like, what's going on? Like, you grill me about my dating life.

24:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, you gotta find a man so we can double date, right? It'll be kind of like a make the wish, give the people what they want kind of a thing. I'm an actor. You're clearly not, but I'll still hang out with you for a dubs.

24:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I do like her. Actor. Actor in love. So back in BravoCon.

24:56Ronnie Karam: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't choke on the jalapeno, Kendall. Jesus. God, can we get a chuck over here for jalapeno lips? God. Don't wipe your eyes.

25:05Ben Mandelker: Kendall, she's like, oh, why am I crying? All right. cut on that one do we want to take it from the top for safety okay sorry just actor speak um at the bravo con it's time for the bravo the bravos and uh the the category is rookie of the year presented by jen pedranti and wes wilson wow yeah what it's so what a duo to be announcing your award and what a time when wes wilson was still held um with warm regard by the community

25:38Ronnie Karam: yeah they're like we need someone to announce uh next gen nyc can we get someone who's trying to have young person hair from tiktok west yes okay perfect get them off that so um they're like oh my god we slayed we won we actually won thank you guys so much i think that we're beyond excited right now wow i'm glad you guys chose gia sounds great down in history so now um now it's flash

26:16Ben Mandelker: forward to later in the night they go to carmela which is in planet hollywood they go in there and like the the lady who works there like presents like opens up a refrigerator it's like a speakeasy and she's like welcome cameras of bravo and ava's like wow charlie booked a reservation hi gentlemen they're so impressed that charlie did the basic thing which is go on to open table and click on a box which he didn't you know this was like a producer obviously they have to get

26:45Ronnie Karam: filming rights and stuff to be in there and charlie's like oh yeah i love awards yeah happy we won awesome i mean these kids like obviously they grew up with bravo like they grew up on it gross but so it's important to them i personally don't care i'm like really cool and do not care that I'm on TV at all. I don't know. Whatever. I'm going around with my friends. He's so aloof, Ronnie. How attractive.

27:09Ben Mandelker: He's just so hot. He's just so hot that he's so cool. He's too cool for you. Man. God, that Charlie is the core. So Riley is...

27:23Ronnie Karam: My nieces, since they were a young age, don't ever go... Because everyone knows what you're doing. Like, if you see a hot guy, just say, rawr you know you know i do that that's like the code word and so yesterday we were somewhere and i just went rawr and she was like uncle that guy can hear us and see he didn't know what we're saying jesus calm down i've taught you the language well there's also this the sally version which is

27:49Ben Mandelker: going, you-hoo! You-hoo! It's a man! It's a man! Oh! Please! She just becomes Lady Roger Rabbit. Roger Ratt's Rabbit.

28:09Ben Mandelker: Um... Shave and a haircut!

28:14Ronnie Karam: So Georgia left early. She didn't come to dinner. Where's Georgia? She couldn't have feathers on her eyes. She couldn't do dinner with this. And Georgia, we see Georgia leaving. She's like, day one done. That was fun. Day one's living. That fell down.

28:31Ben Mandelker: I cannot tell you the depths of my soul to which I love Georgia. I just pray she doesn't do something problematic. Because usually when I love someone on Bravo so much, they say something really whack. and I have to then know that I've committed my love to them on the podcasts. It's say it, forget it, write it, regret it. That's what I'm always writing it and regretting it. But I don't know, every little verbal tick that she has, just her goofy smile. I mean, obviously I hate that she doesn't wash her hands. But man, she cracks me up over and over again. Just the stupidest little things I just adore.

29:09Ronnie Karam: I think that you said when, when I hope she never does anything problematic, anything else you mean? I mean, geez, did you watch the past couple of weeks on this show? Oh yeah. There's that.

29:21Ben Mandelker: But I mean, like, you know, you know, we, we don't like that when it gets really, really bad. Yeah. This is bravo. I've been there. Yeah. This is bravo. I've cursed her now.

29:31Ronnie Karam: So they're talking about how proud they are of each other. And Ariana's like, yeah, I couldn't do this without you guys. Even Charlie. and Brooks goes, I'm dead. Girl, I would believe it. Someone take a pulse.

29:46Ben Mandelker: Brooks is barely present this season. And he's all the way at the very, very, very end of the sofa for the reunion. And everyone online is like, yeah, serves him right. So Ariana says they should call Hudson, let him know that they won the award. So they cheer. And then they have this moment, I believe that this is now where we see sort of like like a bunch of clips like the night's getting crazy and before we go to commercial they just have this really random shot of shy's head going back and forth like superimposed over our cartoon body and like later on we know we understand the context of it but at this point of the show i'm like why did they do that why did they just have shy's head on a cartoon just bopping back and forth i was like this show is now now the production post-production department is fully like gone off the deep end and they're just putting any random image in there did you notice

30:41Ronnie Karam: that i didn't notice it i feel now that you said it it's popping up in my memory but it's they put so many little things in this show that it just i let it wash over me i guess they do it like this because of tiktok you know how it's like constant and everything's yeah all the time and i think it's supposed to be like that but as an old person i'm just like

31:04Ben Mandelker: You know what's funny? The plumber is here right now because my kitchen sink got backed up. And I think they have the snake in there or something. And it's going like this. And that's literally sometimes how I feel when I watch Bravo. I'm like, wow, I have a snake going into my brain.

31:22Ronnie Karam: Okay, so now it's day two of BravoCon. Ava's on the FaceTime with her mom again. She's coming to see her. And then we see clips of everybody partying the night before and ending up in a McDonald's drive-thru. And Amira orders a four-count of McCrispie strips.

31:39Ben Mandelker: She loves, like, a little fried chicken finger moment. That's what she got from Red Robin last year, right? Girl, I don't know. Your memory is so good. Or was onion rings?

31:48Ronnie Karam: And Ariana says, who the fuck orders chicken strips at McDonald's?

31:53Ben Mandelker: By the way, I take it back. It was that she got onion rings from Red Robin, I think, with a burger. I take it back. There is no pattern here.

32:01Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm glad it's there in my brain now, because now I know. If I ever I'm at a Red Robin, the mirror, I know what to order. So basically, it's just a lot of, this is a lot of just nothing happening for a lot of this episode. It's just like fun stuff.

32:19Ben Mandelker: It's like fun activity that's going on. And so Rachel, Roy will be coming in later, and she suggests that they all go to Magic Mike in the evening. and then um now we see another panel and it's like i got it from my mama so we see teresa and gia and kim and ariana and our wonderful friend kiki monique is the moderator and she's like so who is the most likely to send a messy text and gia like points to teresa and she's like no i don't do that because you don't want to put anything in writing i learned that like your signature yeah yeah so

32:54Ronnie Karam: So then Shai is hanging out with Charlie and they're watching social clips and stuff from BravoCon. And Shai goes, look, Jesus' uncle's like never wearing a shirt. Charlie goes, bro, they're from New Jersey. What do you expect?

33:12Ben Mandelker: And then Shai goes, low-key, yeah.

33:18Ben Mandelker: I mean, well, Ava and Georgia just had to go the high roller Ferris wheel. and um i love that george is just fascinated by the first well i feel like this is her first time in vegas but i also feel like this is maybe her first time interfacing with a ferris wheel she's

33:32Ronnie Karam: like oh my god like this is crazy like literally anywhere she's like wow like like what's even happening like look at this city it's like what is the strip like what is that anyway when they say this strip Mavis is it's where like the cool shit is you've never been to Vegas that's where the cool shit is yeah it's like not what I was expecting like for some reason I thought Vegas was like much smaller it's like much bigger than New York City and it's like ding incorrect I know

34:07Ben Mandelker: she's like look we know it's bigger than New York City because you can see New York City over there it's only as big as that place she's like look at the New York New York you know and Ava's like but isn't vegas like the number one tourist destination in the world goes ding no also wrong also wrong at least in america ding no okay in america yeah i could see that i could see that which which way is north and then ava just points up at the sky oh my god Even Georgia goes, no. She goes, no, bitch. She's like, what do you mean? Let's snore it. And it just says underneath, this is how misinformation spreads.

34:50Ben Mandelker: I mean, this conversation had me rolling.

34:57Ronnie Karam: So now Ariana is talking to Ariana. Ariana's talking to Ariana. Ariana is talking to Amira about, I don't know, going to Topgolf. So now they go to Topgolf. Topgolf does really well on Bravo. It really does.

35:13Ben Mandelker: They get a lot of Bravo time. Especially on Marriage of Medicine. I'm surprised when they went there, we didn't see Cecil and Simone there teeing up as well.

35:21Ronnie Karam: And an iconic Salt Lake City breakdown with Jen Shah. Of course. Her huge party at Topgolf for her husband. So then they're basically talking, you know, and Ariana's saying, I can't believe we all ended up hanging out in Charlie's room last night. That was nuts, right? He's even back in the chat. And we see Charlie, ding, added back to the group chat. And she says that this has been such great memories. And, you know, Charlie's really trying to change people's outlooks of him and is working.

35:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Things are looking up for Charlie. and then georgia is um asking ava like you know how the after party was and eva's saying it was really cute actually and host and charlie hosted and he ordered us all food and of course they're all impressed that charlie ordered them food because charlie normally has other people pay for things and uh then charlie and shy are talking and shy charlie's like shy so okay realistically real real rap real rap here um i'm gonna ask you do you think you were kind of vibing with any of the girls last night and shia's like um i don't even know what a girl is this is crazy like a girl what's like what vibing girls what okay i mean i guess like i guess i don't know i mean here all right there was one thing that happened okay there was a little bit of a vibe like with ava you know and i don't know like maybe i missed it or whatever so of course charlie latches right onto this and he's like yeah i think there's a lot of truth to the fact that she is a drunk horny flirt and i think she wanted you to fuck her charlie jesus so you're saying she wanted

36:59Ronnie Karam: you to fuck her he's like whoa whoa i'm not saying da i'm just saying like it was like a vibe like it was like a total vibe with her shy he's setting you up you dummy oh yeah he is shy come on shy you're gonna have to get smarter than this buddy so shy basically is like well i made one little

37:19Ben Mandelker: move you know there's just like i don't know just like one like we're you know we're both drunk and it was just like flirting in las vegas like you know that's just how it is you know like one little move make it seem like it was this cute like a little cute moment between the two of them but

37:32Ronnie Karam: then we go to ava and we hear her we all know that this we all know that this ava did not flirt with him right like right poor guy it's and he's like a cute guy or whatever but this guy just has no game and i guess we all knew that this was not true and so then ava's like okay let me paint you the picture of last night we're doing like an after party at charlie's hotel room and i just was going to my room and then shy was like you want to hang out more so i was like okay so he comes over and i'm like wearing grandma pajamas and then he's like you want to make out and i was like oh yeah no no so is that what we call flirting now yeah and by the way this as she tells the

38:14Ben Mandelker: story we see their heads on little cartoon bodies and this is why there was a cartoon body because like the cartoons were used to recreate the story but they just teased the cartoons early in a way that had no context that was strange so shy is like yeah i caught a vibe i got a look from her and and the producer's like what was the look he's like well she was like oh my god she had me like butter like absolutely like i melted and it just it's just so funny because it was like ew no absolutely not uh nope me not gonna happen yeah it was just a harmless

38:48Ronnie Karam: flirtatious night in vegas you know how it is like men women huh yeah no harm no foul no harm no foul but like you know like her mom's coming to town so i don't think we're gonna have an opportunity to chat things out about our relationship but you know like still like you know like we'll talk about it at some point you know i don't know if it's right time to meet the family i don't know we'll see we're just gonna chat it out oh charlie has a

39:13Ben Mandelker: really delicate way of um of uh summarizing the situation where he goes well congrats for almost fucking ava yeah i probably shouldn't have said anything to charlie about that but like that's my

39:27Ronnie Karam: voice so like you know like he he i think he's not gonna tell ava like i told him this like that's my boy right there no stupid so then uh back to ariana and amira she's like yeah charlie also did text me last night and asked me if i left a vape in his room and wait wait he goes if you left this as an excuse to come back and sleep over now's the time to do so what that's

39:52Ben Mandelker: like crazy oh my god like and so are it is wild charlie's like i mean it's like i wouldn't touch Charlie with a 10-foot pole but then it's also like we're rubbing each other in bed you know what I'm

40:08Ronnie Karam: saying guys yeah how much of this is just that they're so easily manipulated and they've just done 30 interviews where people are like what's going on with you and Charlie what's going on with you and Ariana everybody wants to know Charlie and Ariana so now all of a sudden they have this like Charlie I mean have they always had this I don't they're claiming that they did

40:32Ben Mandelker: but that charlie's always liked her and it sounds to me like ariana probably is just you know she probably enjoys the fact that you know he's flirting with her and flirting with her sort of like with swagger like charlie's swagger what what counts as swagger versus liam who's a little bit more like oh my god i'll build a bookshelf for you like whoa i'm i i uh i i got like you ice skates or whatever like liam's doing all kind of like the dorky things the romantic things and charlie's like hey he's like the he's like the guy in the leather jacket with the motorcycle which is what liam thinks he is liam's trying to like make a reality thing where he's

41:10Ronnie Karam: like yeah it's my girlfriend i'm on television this is gonna be my girlfriend's basically how works relationship yeah and he's trying to really do the cheesy fake thing and charlie's doing the

41:21Ben Mandelker: like yeah i don't want you or do i yeah which is also being mysterious yeah but like liam's feels like it's more like flirtation that he learned by watching movies and charlie's is more like flirtation from just being a scumbag so ariana charlie's is flirtation from movies too but it's

41:39Ronnie Karam: like the bad boy in the movie yeah i don't even like you i'm just gonna pretend to like molly ringwald because my friends dared me to then at the end she's gonna find out it was all the big fucking lie but maybe i'll have feelings for it by then who fucking knows yeah i think that liam

41:55Ben Mandelker: thinks he's Judd Nelson. I think Liam thinks he's Judd Nelson, but he's actually Andrew McCarthy.

42:03Ronnie Karam: I think that Shy is more Andrew McCarthy. How about this? Because Andrew McCarthy was always the doofy one, right? Wait, wait, let me pick up Andrew McCarthy.

42:14Ben Mandelker: You're right, you're right, you're right. He's ducky, right? Shy is Andrew McCarthy. I think that is... Okay, are we going to say... Are we in, like... Are we Rat Pack in general?

42:27Ronnie Karam: 80s and early 90s so is liam emilio estevez oh he wasn't too cheesy who was the other andrew who was the who was the andrew i was talking about that pretends to like molly ringwald it's it's john heard not john john heard no two and a half john heard not john heard was that pretty in pink yeah john crier

42:54Ben Mandelker: that's yeah yeah liam is john crier i'm getting all my 80s movies fucked up no liam is john crier but he thinks he's judd nelson he's john crier having studied judd nelson but he's still john

43:05Ronnie Karam: crier no john crier is kind of the dorky one he's ducky who's the guy next to john crier in the movie poster what is wrong with me that's what i'm saying i quit this podcast okay it's andrew something okay i'm looking it up brad pacman act author andrew i'm bringing it up okay here's here else you're gonna go anthony michael hall andrew mccarthy no he's anthony i mean anthony michael hall okay yeah anthony michael hall is shy yeah andrew mccarthy is no no no liam no i think that shy is andrew mccarthy i think that liam is anthony michael hall no anthony michael hold of the dork dorky guy so that's shy no shy is john cusack

43:55Ben Mandelker: oh okay well yeah shy is john cusack shy is john cusack okay so shy is john cusack liam i think so liam we still we still believe he thinks he's judd nelson but in reality i think he could still be andrew mccarthy yeah i think he's kind of andrew mccarthy-ish

44:17Ronnie Karam: Anyway, sorry to the young people and the old people. Really butchered that one.

44:22Ben Mandelker: I'll say and to Andrew McCarthy.

44:24Ronnie Karam: Really? And Anthony Michael Hall. Really no one won here. That's the point.

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45:42Ronnie Karam: so charlie uh charlie's like oh yeah that whole i wouldn't touch charlie with the 10-foot pole and then it's like we're like rubbing each other in the bed so what about that and um ariana is saying uh yeah he says like out-of-pocket shit but then he tells me to come sleep over in his room i mean that's just charlie it's fun honestly like i love the attention it's it's great i'll take it okay well so ava and ava's like charlie i mean and then he's like he's like

46:15Ben Mandelker: like you start trying to like make an effort and georgia goes yeah like good for him like i literally hate him just you hate him yeah it's like that's a strong word i know okay well let me put it this way he's like my least favorite person on the planet right now i think that's a little nicer okay date time with gia oh no you're right sorry you're right uh yeah i don't

46:42Ronnie Karam: think they're really saying that much but then we go to um date time with gia and christian and this is where the ladies with wigs stop to take pictures with them and she is like i've been in the public eye since i was like eight years old like i didn't really have the worst experience growing up like my family's been through the ringer but it like opens up like so much opportunities for me right now which is clearly like influencing and having like a giant new apartment and stuff like that but she's she goes yeah like my family reconciling oh stop and it's cute because she does mean her family is reconciling for tv but like to her it's so sweet she's like look tv forced my mom and her sister-in-law to get back together again or they wouldn't be on TV anymore.

47:36Ronnie Karam: And it worked. And now everybody's pretending to like each other again. Thanks, reality TV.

47:42Ben Mandelker: The powers of reality TV. So then so Gia's basically like they sit down at their dinner and Gia's like, what kind of food is this? Like normal? And he goes, Italian. Yeah, okay, normal. Okay. How's

48:01Ben Mandelker: she goes how's it been for you at bravo con he goes i don't know he's just it's just tiring it's a lot she's like what was like the coolest part for you he was like i don't know i feel like it's all the same just photos of fans in different sections yeah so many photos like do you ever feel like i'm like forcing you to like be here stuff like that he's like yes you're literally forcing

48:22Ronnie Karam: me to be here he's like yeah you gave me no choice and she goes uh-uh and he's like yeah You know, I don't like to be on camera. I don't like to film, like, all the time. I don't like to have to, you know? And, like, you have to. We're in, like, two different worlds. Yeah, but what about when we get, like, married and have kids and, like, take the next stop a moment? And he just stays quiet. He's like, ooh, I couldn't tell you.

48:47Ben Mandelker: They have this great shot where he's like, I don't like being filmed. And then they just, like, pan over to see that there's, like, a camera directly on him. um yeah gia it's time to move on from this guy sorry i don't think you should have to give up your reality lifestyle you have been raised in it you obviously like it and this guy you obviously you like this guy there are other fish in the sea fish that um you should swim with i mean it's tricky too like it's weird it's if you find i was gonna say yeah there's the other side of that too

49:17Ronnie Karam: where like someone who doesn't want to be famous is good sometimes right maybe it should just be

49:23Ben Mandelker: like uh he lets her do her thing but then he doesn't have any obligation to be on camera because that would be good but um if he's gonna make you not do this then that's gonna be a

49:37Ronnie Karam: problem yeah i don't think he's making her right or maybe that's why he's holding out with uh the proposal and stuff like that. It's obviously an issue that they're having. Because I think she wants him to be there, you know? Like, you have to show your life on these shows. And so if you're just going to have an off-camera boyfriend, then that's not really going to work. But he's already given you the answer many times on camera. We've seen this scene a lot. Even he's like, oh, my God. It's like, why are you not taking it, Sarah? So he's like, we've had this conversation like 50 times. But also, like, she's young.

50:11Ben Mandelker: There's time to find someone else That's true Now it's day three

50:18Ronnie Karam: Even when you're old there's time to find somebody else There's a lot of people out there Just look at a McDonald's sign And look how many fucking billions of burgers Have been served And just think only one of those people Really needs to find me attractive

50:32Ben Mandelker: Or just think about it this way Of all the billions of burgers being served There's always going to be someone who also just wants the crispy strips meaning true like there's a menu that there's something on that menu there that you think will never get picked but there's someone who will pick it um day three at bravo con let's start off in shy's room i love this um he's he's in bed with his two friends and he's like uh gotta wake up and uh start the day like gotta get ready for the fans and his friend is like oh yeah all your supposed fans out there

51:14Ronnie Karam: she just laughs in his face so brooks is getting ready with uh chloe he's like bravo con day three are you gonna be at my panel she's like of course yeah we're so close to selling out at my booth I can't hear you, but I can't hear you. You're the same person. Surely you hear what the other one is thinking.

51:45Ben Mandelker: I'm really trying to make Brooks Marks the focus of my career, and the next steps are to launch the resort collection at Winter Pop in New York City, and I'm extremely stressed. My parents are still investors in the company, and if I'm unable to pay back their investment, they have the right to seize all the goods, including my sourdough starter. Okay? And I can't let that happen.

52:09Ronnie Karam: What the fuck are they going to do with a thousand terrycloth skinny or whatever it's called? Hoodies. Terrycloth light that disintegrates in your fingers. Yeah. So then Ava is getting ready And Rachel's there now And she's like Honey, please wear the Bottega Vintage I just love that Thank you

52:35Ben Mandelker: That's why I'm me And Ava's like Talking about how this whole thing with Hook It's just been so sad and so hard They're still living together They have a pillow fort between them And thank God for Vegas And you know, my mom, I need my mom And Rachel's like my suggestion after my 51 years of living going through ups and downs and being maligned by Beyonce is that you just need that core group of girls, you know? She's like, yeah, well, Ariana just went through the exact same thing that I'm going through and she had a breakup and now she's living with a boyfriend and then having to have her own place.

53:11Ben Mandelker: So it's nice. I sort of have that.

53:13Ronnie Karam: It's like, wow. Yeah. That's like synergy, you know, like guys come and go. Am I All right. One day you're Jay. The next day you're Zay. You know. But the important thing is girl and girlfriends. You know. Girl. You know. Being a girl's girl. That's what's really important, honey. Mom, I really want to move out of Hook's house. I'm not paying your. I'm not. I'm not. Being your.

53:40Ben Mandelker: Women supporting women. Okay. Women supporting women. So will you support me leaving?

53:45Ronnie Karam: No. No.

53:49Ben Mandelker: Good luck with that.

53:52Ronnie Karam: So Ava talks about how she's really close with her mom. And when her parents got divorced, her mom was supporting herself and still is. And now that she's in a similar position, you know, she's not just like, Mom, I need help with my English. Now she's like, Mom, I need help with my broken heart.

54:15Ben Mandelker: So then, oh, so lovely. So beautiful. Now it's 20 minutes until the panel and everyone's getting ready and et cetera. And I think there was like a moment in here where Shai FaceTimes his mom, Pia, and he's like, mom, look at my shirt. She's like, oh, darling, that's the most beautiful shirt I've ever seen. And she has her phone like hanging from the ceiling. Cause she's like looking up at it like this. She's like, could someone please send someone to get me out of this? Well, thank you.

54:44Ronnie Karam: That's how you're supposed to do FaceTime. finally someone who gets it uh and then they cut to the moderator room 20 minutes before and there are these two kind of bald guys staring at each other going do i like fat no do i look fat no do i like my backpack showing no do i look fat no do i like fat can i make this a bigger font no it's printed

55:07Ben Mandelker: yep and it was us so we see them all line up and ava ava and shy are really nervous that they're gonna get asked about their relationship what happens what happens if they get asked about it what happens if they get asked um but don't worry we didn't ask them because we didn't know so guess what here come the moderators it's me it's ronnie we're here and you see me on stage going oh my god i can't believe we got to moderate next gen new york city you guys this is crazy oh my god i can't stop flopping my hands and i was like oh my god

55:43hey hey guys goss wah here comes next and then i put the cards right up to my face

55:51Ronnie Karam: like cover my face next gen nyc do you not remember where you are for fuck's sake you have one thing to say you got to read it off the card yeah well they also show a shot of me just

56:03Ben Mandelker: looking down at my card like straight down you'll see like the top of my head like uh ask ariana how's hudson um i thought you did great and i actually love that we came out kind of um color coordinated we didn't plan it i was that was purely by accident but we were both like in our moment yeah yeah it's like our brownish brownish olive so we became their kids it's so funny because we're watching this whole show. We had no idea that there was this Charlie drama happening and shy and Eva and you watch the show and their whole vibe is like, oh my God, like that's crazy. You know, it would be iconic.

56:42Ben Mandelker: Cause if you want to party last night, oh my God, I hate Charlie. They're all like that. And then when we go out on stage, we had to walk by, they were all lined up like in a single file line and we had to like walk by them and we're like, hi guys, they all were like, hi, they're like, they're like seven year olds being like, Hi, Mr. Mandelker. Hi, Mr. Karim.

57:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because on this show, even when someone's five years older, they're like, oh, my God, they're so old. So we're like really old for these poor kids. It was like watching Merlin and Gandalf walk by them. They're like, yeah, they're like, can we go to the bathroom? They're grazing their hand. But they were so nice. And let me tell you, also stunningly gorgeous. Every single one of them was just so good looking. And I mean, we know, we see them on TV, but seeing people in real life, I was like, oh my God, you guys are also, you're poors. Where are they? You're all so cute. And Amira, vavum. Oh my God.

57:38Ben Mandelker: Jesus Christ. I think Amira is having a wonderful season. I feel like, first of all, she's had way more screen time than she did last season. I kind of felt like she was stitched in last season, like midway through. I think Amira is great. she is so she's so charming but she's like her personality is is just i don't know like you want to be like her friend um she's really funny uh but she can also she can really sort of like stiffen up and like call you out like she's really i think had a wonderful breakout season i think she's

58:13Ronnie Karam: she's fantastic yeah so uh the panel uh georgia like georgia like your hands like like you don't Like, wash your hands. Like, what's that about? Why does that follow you around? Like, not washing your hands? Like,

58:29Ben Mandelker: And then you're like, all right, this one's for Shy. You weren't in the season that much. Like, is that, is it because of your name? Are you Shyer? Are you a more reserved person? And he like, didn't get it at first. I remember him being like, what? I don't get it because of my name. It's like, Shy, your name's Shy. He's like, I can't really blame him. Like, hey, Shy,

58:48Ronnie Karam: you ever heard dad jokes? I've got them.

58:51Ben Mandelker: He goes, I met everyone through Dylan, and then he just left. He just left me with these people. And I believe that what then happened that they cut out was me saying, yeah, what happened to him? I was like, yeah, does anyone watch his OnlyFans? Remember, I asked something about Dylan's OnlyFans. Everyone was like, uh. I was like, okay, back to the questions. Never mind. Well, that's good. What if they answered?

59:11Ronnie Karam: Like, yeah, jerk off to Dylan every day. God, I miss him.

59:15Ben Mandelker: I know. Maybe I asked just where Dylan went. But anyway, then we have Ben. Ben from Los Angeles asks do you think there's anyone oh by the way sorry I should mention that he, Shai was saying how he was like oh my god I don't know all these new people and then he's saying how like oh my god but then once the questions start I'm having a great time with it I'm killing it so then I say do you think there's anyone on the stage that could learn from Riley in terms of being more honest and little did I realize when those words had left my mouth that I'd be starting a tense vicious fight between cast members later the episode he's like i'm not gonna lie bro so i

59:56Ronnie Karam: think i can learn a little bit from riley and brooks is like starts giving him laser eyes this is the most emotion we've literally ever seen from brooks and it's just a tiny movement and laser eyes and he's like yeah i mean well like i could learn from riley or brooks can learn from riley uh because you know she's like direct and like saying stuff that's like i don't know like that's good right it's a good thing it's a good thing right

1:00:22Ben Mandelker: shah's like i mean raleigh's the most confrontational person and brooks for like a year now has been like talking about how he should be more confrontational so it's obvious in my head like putting two and two together like a monkey would but then next thing you know brooks like flings his head towards me and like stares daggers at me and there's your slow-mo brooks turning around be like what

1:00:43Ronnie Karam: And that ends the panel and our recap of this show. Goodbye. Thank you very much. So it's over. And Shai's like, oh, shit. Brooks is mad at me. Like walking off the stage. I know. Like, there's going to be a converse. Sorry, Burps. I just definitely know he's like more mad at me now. We mentioned this last week. They already all seem to have a problem with Brooks. I felt like there was a question in there. is something like, who's let... Well, I think Georgia... Who let fame go to their heads too much was Georgia, they all said, right? But didn't they say something shady about shy? There was some weird energy with shy there, but I don't remember quite what it was.

1:01:26Ronnie Karam: They... Watching it.

1:01:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't know. They don't seem to like shy. Yeah, we left them. We were like, what's up? Why do they hate shy? Yeah. So now they go to dinner. and they're at the Eiffel Tower having dinner and Ariana says my dream is to go to Paris, I've never been and Charlie goes, it's such a shithole what? so Ariana goes stop, it's my dream, can you not ruin it? you've ruined a lot of things it's just like so overly romanticized okay Charlie

1:02:05Ronnie Karam: and Ariana's like you ruined things, like god, just leave Paris alone he's like oh don't worry there's i'll still be ruining things there's your relationship with

1:02:14Ben Mandelker: liam and arnie's like what's wrong with you he's like don't worry i don't think they caught that she's like every single fucking camera's pointed at us right now he's like they just assume we're a couple right now that's why and then meanwhile we see liam what he's doing during this is that he's um he's like playing video games he's like in one of those like seats like where it feels like you're actually driving he's having a great yes he's in one of the actual driving seats with

1:02:39Ronnie Karam: three screens in front of him he's like a serious gamer you got it's also an art it's also an art huge part of the industry just uh just studying the research pretty method yeah i'm studying for

1:02:53Ben Mandelker: my new role as the as a legend you know from league of legends i'm one of the legends actor

1:02:59Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, I don't know what BravoCon is. Okay, I mean, I have an idea of what it is, but I don't follow that. Come on. Is it written down in Courier New? Then I don't know what the fuck it is. I don't know. I don't get it. Am I acting? No. I am becoming. Okay, thanks. That's Liam's scene for the day.

1:03:22Ben Mandelker: Unless BravoCon is a film from the 70s starring Al Pacino about a hard-boiled detective, pretty sure I have not seen it.

1:03:31Ronnie Karam: Is Bravo done on 70mm? Did not think so. Or even I'm at right now.

1:03:37Ben Mandelker: Is it something that can be watched in its true format, IMAX? I don't think so. So no, I don't know what it is.

1:03:46Ronnie Karam: So Charlie, back to Charlie, is like, hey, want to go to the bathroom, Mariana? She's like, fuck off. Charlie's like trying to get everybody doing his coke with him i think and at the end he gets shy in there the very subtle guys like what do you think about that right i don't know what you think about but ariana and

1:04:06Ben Mandelker: and charlie are being very flirty she's like doing like big flirt laughs like throwing her head back like charlie and riley's watching this and is like we have a new dynamic duo over there um so uh uh ariana riley's like do you think you're being slick ariana she goes no there's nothing there i mean he likes to say something that's like really out of pocket and it like makes me flustered and like sometimes it's like fun so like what about that sounds like i have like a low-key attraction

1:04:37Ronnie Karam: to him yeah so the cast is like we knew it we knew this was gonna happen so charlie asks uh the favorite part of the weekend for everybody and they're like because we won what about that and And everyone's like, oh my God, you guys, congratulations again. Congratulations. Everybody's so great. And then Brooks is like, I'm shocked. I didn't think Charlie was actually going to get booed. I was kind of shook. And then, yeah, that thing that Shai said about me.

1:05:05Ben Mandelker: And then they flash back to us yet again. I mean, being, what's the number one thing that you think you've learned? And then Charlie is like, not too much. There's nothing really for me to learn. and then ronnie goes i've learned nothing and i'm proud of it and i go pitchforks because everyone's

1:05:23Ronnie Karam: booing yeah they were booing his ass but he was asking for it though he came out with his sunglasses and like slouched back in his chair he's like what made me to talk so um he was honestly really entertaining he really commits that one so uh george is like yeah my head was like not really on the stage at BravoCon because my eyes were flying away from me. And I was like daydreaming about holding Prez's hand. He's so cute. Like, I don't even know where the conversation is going, but when I hear my name, I'm like back on it.

1:05:57Ben Mandelker: And then this is where you ask, so who has fame changed the most? And then Riley's like, Georgia. Everyone's like, Georgia. And she's like, huh? Yeah. Okay. I'll take it.

1:06:10Ronnie Karam: And she's like, thanks guys. That was so nice. yeah that wasn't a compliment

1:06:16Ben Mandelker: I know I love that George that was like really nice to be changed by fame it was beautiful they all said fame made me hotter

1:06:26Ronnie Karam: so thanks guys so then Charlie's like well I like the late night hangouts in my room with the girls that was my favorite part and they was like oh yeah I was gonna say Shai told Charlie that I was flirting with you all night the other night so what the fuck Charlie's like what can I say

1:06:44Ben Mandelker: Charlie's like what can I say I'm nosy and I like drama and gossip I can't fault him for that so Charlie's like well that's not how I would describe it and so if it's like isn't that what you said or I guess maybe Shai said that and Shai's like oh my god I can feel my food like in my throat like literally I'm about to throw up on the spot

1:07:06Ronnie Karam: yeah but like I hit you up like yo T here Like you and Shy, like, you know, the good gossip that I am. Like, is it not true? Like there was a moment that you guys ended up like drinking late night, late night, tick tock tick late night. Like I wasn't trying to say in a critical way. It's just trying to say like, are you pregnant?

1:07:24Ben Mandelker: And so it was like, yeah, well, when I'm drinking, I just like to have like fun or whatever. And like, then things got like misinterpreted, but like he was trying to like have fun and keep the night going, you know, bonding and tries like, huh, you know, Ava does this funny thing where when you confront her about something that she did her first instinct is to push back like that's usually called defending yourself against embarrassing allegations yeah by the

1:07:46Ronnie Karam: way she didn't do anything so yeah and there's that too weirdo then Brooks is like yeah she's

1:07:52Ben Mandelker: triggered it's probably because there's like maybe some truth to it um I'd like to say something shy what is it that you said about me on the panel it's like oh about what yeah this table's so long it's like humiliating him to lean over and ask people what they said can you say that again he's like what you said about me on the panel like why oh well they asked if there was anyone on the panel

1:08:15Ronnie Karam: that can like learn something from riley and then i felt like well you've mentioned that you you're not confrontational so i thought like then you can learn something from riley i was just trying to

1:08:25Ben Mandelker: help you felt it was good to say that publicly in front of hundreds of people to me oh go have a public conversation you're telling me i was truthful my confrontations don't you understand i don't want to be confronted about that publicly i know he's like i'm gonna confront you about how you're saying that my confrontation sucks how about that that's my confrontation now

1:08:53Ronnie Karam: no it's just truthful like it wasn't meant to be upsetting it's like yeah i don't think it's like cool to like side swipe me like that brooks you were gonna help out shy with his photo shoot and

1:09:07Ben Mandelker: then you i like you you ghosted him so that was the original side swipe and shy's like i was just it was like it wasn't an insult i was just answering georgia goes i didn't interpret it as an insult towards you but you know once again like i have been the most changed by fame so i have a different perspective on things in a good way complimentary complimentary um so she is like

1:09:30Ronnie Karam: well were you also like saying to him though like implying that you want him to be more direct with you like what's going on between you i've been doing this since i'm eight and shy says no it's not like i was thinking i wasn't thinking i was just like nervous on stage okay meanwhile charlie and flirt uh charlie and arian are still flirting together yeah and brooks is saying yeah like you told me you had nothing but good things to say about me but then you bad mouth me to my friends

1:10:02Ben Mandelker: yeah my friends of like five years and say horrible things that are untrue about me meanwhile charlie and again charlie and arian are like flirting over chapstick he's like putting on her chapstick and then uh shia's just trying to defend himself and charlie of course is like not there to support him whatsoever and riley's like i'm a little confused i'm scared about this pole position this pole situation going on because she's watching this happening with ariana she's like by the way i think she meant to i think it was whole situation not pole situation i misread

1:10:36Ronnie Karam: that what's in here where he said something like yeah and then you said like you had to call my agent or something and that's not true but it it was true he did say you have to call my agent all my modeling stuff is booked through my agent so yeah so then while they're just like this low-key

1:10:55Ben Mandelker: squabbling's happening Gio's like guys I think you're both making great points which is my way of saying stop it the reason you obviously address this is because it was bothering you and I know it was like our mini reunion up there on the stage so I brought up some things as well like that we were feeling and maybe we didn't know about but like with that being said i think we all really are like growing as like a friend group so um i'm obligated to invite you all to friendsgiving now and everyone's like what the what kind of what segway was that what kind of segway is that

1:11:29Ronnie Karam: it's like i'm doing this my whole life so um they're like okay great thanks uh thanksgiving

1:11:36Ben Mandelker: friendsgiving so now we go to jersey they're like in jersey yeah it's like yeah jersey like oh god

1:11:44Ronnie Karam: damn it so then we go to the plane and ariana is sitting in coach with charlie oh my god uh this is crazy though because she had a first class seat with amira and she gave it up to go

1:11:59Ben Mandelker: sit with charlie and coach yeah that's that's one of the most damning things you could do you do one does not give up your first class seat do we not remember katie and tom schwartz

1:12:12Ronnie Karam: one yeah does not give up she gave it up see this is what katie wanted yeah she gave up the first class seat to be with the person you know it wasn't like when tom schwartz was like i got upgraded have fun and coach idiot

1:12:29Ben Mandelker: classic so amir is like ariana and i decided to upgrade our flights to first class so we could sleep in first class and then she gave it up to sit with charlie and economy um it's not giving i don't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole and then mira's like yeah this is like a

1:12:45Ronnie Karam: dark cloud looming us uh looming us back to new york uh liam's gonna be there on his little horse at the airport waiting to pick up ariana and it's gonna be all three of them on the back of liam's horrors oh that is crazy what happens in vegas this time she is definitely bringing that

1:13:00Ben Mandelker: back to new york with us well the good news for liam is that he's been finally added to the group chat which is great and then um rowan eva and amira meet up for lunch and they just sort of catch up with everything and um you know rowan's saying that you know she went to liam's premiere and amira's like oh my god we missed liam's premiere i'm like so sad i know that's like it's actually so they like laughed like oh my god because they're like he had a full-on movie premiere and we're like bye off to vegas that's like the implication there and they just start

1:13:31Ronnie Karam: laughing and then uh they're like oh my god you like liam and then we cut to liam and he's like yeah alston's been so helpful super helpful he's giving me shoe sizes wine names i have a favorite restaurant i like i need a date for a probation i made a reservation for that night yeah in the back where no one can ask for autographs it's too planned she's gonna feel trapped by this

1:13:56Ben Mandelker: yeah away from the paparazzi so Ava is like yeah Ariana ended up giving up her first class seat to sit and coach next to Charlie on a red eye home and Amira's like and let me tell you bitch there's not a single thing in the fucking world that would ever make me give up my first class seat Roman's like didn't she say she wouldn't touch Charlie with a 9 foot pole like yeah honey that pole is getting shorter and shorter and then they also shared a car home

1:14:25Ronnie Karam: Oh my god. So Gia's planning Thanksgiving, Friendsgiving, and she's talking to people on the phone and they're talking about what they're going to be bringing. And then we see the list and it's like you know, so-and-so is bringing this, so-and-so is bringing that. Brooks Marks, Sourdough.

1:14:44Ben Mandelker: Sourdough. And you think this is just like whatever, it's just a scene of like us. We know you're bringing fucking Sourdough, Brooks, okay? Jesus. so we we think this is just like okay we're just seeing um you know some friends giving assignments you bring this you bring that um you know ariana and liam bring some roasted carrots and brussels sprouts okay whatever oh that pinged me too i was like what you're a couple now i wasn't really paying attention i just was like oh whatever it's just stuff on screen And then, but here's the thing. So Rowan got added to the list as well, the group chat, but no one took Hudson off.

1:15:25Ben Mandelker: And Hudson saw Ariana and Liam paired together with joint vegetables for Friendsgiving. And it has now kicked off a drama. And I'm like, this is actually the funniest, most relatable drama of all time. I love this. It is.

1:15:43Ronnie Karam: And I also want to give Rowan credit for having the best thing on here. Butternut squash soup. Like, you don't hear that often. People being like, I'll bring the butternut squash soup.

1:15:54Ben Mandelker: She has to transport a soup to New Jersey. That's kind of tricky. I wonder how she's going to do it.

1:15:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's not necessarily going to be easy. I don't know if it was like the brightest thing, but I think it was, I was like, wow, delicious. I would invite her. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Rowan's always invited. That's how I judge a Thanksgiving list. I love a soup. I love a soup. So I'm already very happy. I love a soup. Yeah, so now we've got the drama for the rest of the season. Don, don, don. So the producers are asking Charlie if he has feelings for Ariana. And Hudson calls and he's like, wait, what the fuck? What's going on here? This Liam guy, he did not stay within the boundaries that I set. yeah because nobody gives a shit that your daddy's rich who are you to set fucking boundaries i know

1:16:43Ben Mandelker: like you don't call the shots you're not even here you're not really even on the show you didn't even go to bravo con and you were supposed to and then you're going to complain that no one followed the boundaries that were not like had no jurisdiction in the first place shut up get out of here so

1:16:57Ronnie Karam: it's like what's going on with this liam guy i mean jesus charlie i thought it was going to be you if anybody did it and they all laugh and charlie's like yeah yeah charlie is doing it's funny that um

1:17:08Ben Mandelker: yeah like i just like you know it's funny like you know it's it's uh the weather was great today by the way i saw a cloud um i was there was a i saw a door i went to a door today what are we talking about life right man okay catch you later wow i hope charlie gets whatever money he needs for his club club before exactly what's been going on you gotta be a little smarter charlie when you are uh going after the piggy banks lady love.

1:17:38Ronnie Karam: Yep. So Charlie's like, yeah, she says she would never touch me with a 10-foot pole. So, of course, like, that hurts my pride. And then I'm like, I'm going to prove that I'm going to get it anyway because it's like I'm competitive, you know?

1:17:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah, then he has this, like, crazy scrambled monologue about, like, he's like he says this stuff about like i mean i think that like my friendship or flirtation or whatever with ariana is like perfectly genuine and like i if anything like i'm trying to hide the details of it from the show but like not the other way around i'm just like what like what are you trying to protect um i mean if i had fucked ariana yesterday i wouldn't be telling you right now like that's my point it would make her look terrible you know like would it not i mean that's like it's like a bad look for for sis right because forget liam forget the show how about just brooks and riley like just riley so when i hide it from like when i hide from the show i mean i'm gonna spare her like the revealing the truth which is that like we were flirting but that's it

1:18:38Ronnie Karam: right you know what i mean yeah nothing's happening and i'm not going to tell you about it because i'm protecting her but certainly like he's purposely leading oh such a little asshole this guy but he is really funny you know he is he's a great villain yeah and i don't think and

1:18:58Ben Mandelker: he wasn't doing it with like a bright smile i think he was like he was really trying to explain his logic in a way that i was like what are you saying you're telling it yourself

1:19:07Ronnie Karam: yeah it's weird that he's uh such an asshole and he seems so detached and mean but then he's got such a perfect insight into himself when he's like yeah you know she said she didn't want to touched me with a 10-foot pole, and then that really affected me and my pride. So then to overcompensate, I'm really—like, he read it. He just doesn't care. It's so funny. He's like, yes, I'm sensitive in a very sociopathic way, if that makes any sense. They're like, okay, got it. So then he goes to the bathroom with Liam, and he's like, yeah, you know, I really need to figure out—yeah, with Shai, sorry. Get all my skinny boys confused.

1:19:42Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, got to really figure out the ratio of how much I, like, want to grab on his ass and stuff you know it's got to be a delicate balance she's you know uh reluctant to play ball but uh you know it's just the cameras it's all the cameras she doesn't want to do it in front of the cameras and she's like yeah i'm just i'm like exactly the same with the cameras that were down like i don't give two shits like what do i got yeah so uh we'll find out what's going on between those crazy kids yeah i think charlie said super entertaining sorry but super It was just funny that they were both in the bathroom clearly doing coke together, talking like the cameras can't hear them.

1:20:22Ben Mandelker: You guys, how new are you? It's great. It's great. It was a good one. Yeah, but yeah, Charlie is really about to lose the funding for his club. That's for sure. Georgia will get her revenge in the end.

1:20:38Ronnie Karam: Yep. All right, everybody. Well, thank you so much for being with us for another week. We will talk to you tomorrow with Real Housewives of Orange County. Bye.

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