#3507 The Valley S3E21: LaLa Land

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2:24Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens?

2:36Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Old Bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben-oony-tunes. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? good it's a great day for me because the valley has come to an end thank you jesus this needed to happen about 10 episodes i've been waiting for it and it came fireworks went off at the end it's like you're free you're free young man it's exciting well all right it was an uplifting episode

3:11Ben Mandelker: walk into the sea you made it you made it to the finish line um with a very happy episode and now you don't have to worry about it for a few more months, Ronnie.

3:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So if you want to watch us on video, you can do so at our Patreon. That's where you get videos for all our recaps. You also get them for free a week after they're released here over on our YouTube channel. Also on Patreon, you get bonus episodes, Discord server, free newsletter, and ad-free listening, which is a big one. So thanks to everybody over at Patreon. Well, let's get on with this valley. I want to congratulate Lala. She did a pretty decent job hosting her first reunion. Yes.

3:57Ben Mandelker: She was really wonderful as stepping into the role of host. And I liked what she did with the format. Truly. Why do they let Lala host this whole thing?

4:11Ronnie Karam: Like, shut up. Every question is not to you. Now, here's where it gets troublesome because it's the valley. So I'm rooting against pretty much everybody on this show. So when she's yelling at Danny, I liked it. But then the rest of the time, I was like, oh, stop. But at least she used her power for good at some points.

4:34Ben Mandelker: I'm like, it was annoying that she kept on jumping in. But also everything she was saying, I was liking. So for me, it was ultimately a positive thing. Hmm.

4:46Ronnie Karam: Okay. Yeah. Well, my main, I think, issue with this whole reunion, this was a very below deck reunion. You remember when they used to do those and they finally stopped doing them because I think it was logistics, like trying to get everybody there because everybody's all over the world. But also these are customer service people ultimately, and they're not long-term reality people. So they come on and instead of fighting, they would just be, I'm sorry, you're right. I'm totally sorry because they would get the reactions from the internet. And so they became really boring. It was really hard to have a good reunion because they'd be like, well, you sexually harassed somebody.

5:26Ronnie Karam: It's like, and I did, and I don't know why I did that, and I apologize. and that's this whole episode pretty much is everybody doing these fake apologies and then moving on i think the one who really gets away with it the most is kristin because kristin didn't answer for shit kristin was literally like no idea why i said it don't even remember saying it have no i've been racking my brain caca yeah she really did that a lot she's like i can't even

5:54Ben Mandelker: believe it um but uh danny danny tried to do sort of the same thing and he did not do so well So, you know, Danny was sad. It was a very sad situation with Danny because he just was, he's just in denial. I mean, it's just, he's pointing fingers everywhere for his own behaviors. And it's just like, oh, sir. You know, I was never going to advocate that he needed to join a 12-step program or anything like that. But like seeing the way he reacted to everyone, I'm like, oh, maybe you should. Maybe the time has come for that.

6:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I really don't care if he goes to a 12-step program or if he's an alcoholic. My problem is always just his shit behavior, which he doesn't explain either. It's always someone else's fault or they made me do it. I can't believe he didn't use the word triggered. I guess it's because he threw it at Lala earlier in the season. But that's basically what he was saying. Like everything that happened is because I was triggered by last year. And I was triggered by Jax. And I was triggered by blah, blah, blah. Are you triggered, Danny?

6:57Ben Mandelker: Well, everything was about, it was a heightened situation. He and Nia just kept on using the word heightened because clearly they're a pastor. Like that's the buzzword the pastor used. Like, would you believe that you were in a heightened situation? So everything was like, I was in a heightened situation. So I was coping. And Daniel was in a heightened situation. So we don't normally have these, but it was a heightened situation. So over and over and over again, the heightened situation. Like, no, he's just annoying. He's an annoying drunk. Everyone knows it. Everyone sees it. And no amount of conspiratorial, you know, things from Jax can change the fact that Danny is an annoying drunk.

7:34Ben Mandelker: Like we all we all use our eyes and our ears to make to come to the same conclusion.

7:38Ronnie Karam: Also, a short guy using the term heightened situation is hilarious over and over. It's like, yeah, you're on a chair. You're on a heightened situation. For Christ's sake, you're standing on a step. You're on a heightened situation. Everything is a heightened situation for you, sir. Yeah. But yeah, they're ridiculous. So here we go. Season three, episode 21. Reunion part three. Now we're discussing Danny's drinking. And we just ended the last episode with Brittany saying, oh, yeah, well, what about Jasmine's wedding? And Andy was like, what happened to Jasmine's wedding? What, are you drinking my wedding?

8:17Ronnie Karam: I didn't even know if he was drinking my wedding. Was he drinking my wedding? What happened to my wedding? I don't know. Like, I don't even know. well i didn't say it with my own eyes but zach told me that there was a big thing with danny after the wedding and that jesse was gonna say something about it and nia's like nothing happened

8:33Ben Mandelker: at the wedding and um but of course they're talking about something that happened at the after party so once again danny and nia they love the semantics game like but that wasn't the wedding it was the after party so zach says i said exactly what happened that jesse was told by nia hey don't tell him that there's an after party okay so danny didn't do anything at this after party

8:56Ronnie Karam: because you all have had everybody believing that danny got wasted at this wedding and then had a some kind of a fit at this which by the way i totally believed hook line and sinker because i believe he would why wouldn't he uh but then it comes back and it's a big nothing burger so now Now it becomes a semantics fight, as you said, with this after party thing. Supposedly, Jesse said, don't tell him there's an after party. And he is like, I didn't say that. We knew there was an after party. Everyone knew there was an after party. I said, Daniel and I are staying at hotels. So don't call Daniel and say, hey, come to the after party because we're staying at the hotel.

9:34Yeah.

9:35Ronnie Karam: Oh, that is what she said. That is what she said. She called me and she was like, can you go down and bring him to the room? and I went down and they were like, he was in no shoes. He was in a tank top. He was watching the game and having a drink and he wasn't really super receptive to me dragging him out of there. So if, I mean, everyone's speaking in code.

9:58Ben Mandelker: And in fact, I think Lala says that later, but like Jesse's saying he was at the bar and he wasn't super receptive to me dragging him out of there. What does super receptive mean? I mean, we all know what it means. He was belligerent. He was like, no, I don't want to go. oh, I'm watching FIFA. But like, the point is that, okay, the story that Danny and Nia are going to tell, that some of it's already been told so far and over the next few beats that they will fill it in, which was that they were going to have a quiet night in together as a couple. That's what Nia says momentarily. So a few things here.

10:33Ben Mandelker: It's either that she wanted Jesse to make sure he didn't know about the after parties, that way he wouldn't be tempted to leave their quiet night in and go to the after party. or that they were going to have a quiet night in and that he was already down at a bar and Jesse went to take him out of the bar to tell him to go back up to his room where his wife was waiting for him and he didn't want to do that. Either way, I think all scenarios are not great for Danny. Like if you're having a night in with your wife and you're jumping, you're chomping at the bit to get out of there and go like party, that's like not great.

11:08Ben Mandelker: And then if you're also, if your wife is waiting for you and you're like refusing to leave the bar and you're obviously going, you're probably making a little bit of a scene. That's why Jesse said he wasn't so receptive to it, which is like a glossing over. Also not great. So the point is this, there's nothing about Jax Taylor, for instance, that affects this situation. You're just being a dick. If we're supposed to believe this story on its surface, which by the way, this, everything I'm saying predicates that we're believing it on its surface. We all know what really, what it really was, was don't tell Danny that there's an after party because he'll get wasted and he'll get out of control and it'll be a problem.

11:40Ben Mandelker: That's what the real story is here. But if he's trying to have us, if Nia and Danny are trying to have us believe that, I don't know, actually, I lost my train of thought on this one. I think I got all the important stuff out, which is that Danny is an annoying drunk and people are making excuses for him. And there's no version of this story that somehow makes it better than what we can tell what the real story is.

12:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, from what we can piece together, he was downstairs in a bar watching a game with no shoes in a tank top, which I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know where they were. Yeah, I can't tell what that's. And then Jesse was going to take him back to the room. He didn't want to leave the bar. And he was like, well, how's that connected? And Jason's like, oh, well, I don't know if I want to say something because we're not friends right now. So, you know, like I tried last year with you and that didn't go well when I was, when I went to heavy handed and told you heavy handedly that you're an alcoholic.

12:37like you didn't like that so I guess I just can't say anything I guess I just won't say anything then unless Janet tells me to if Janet tells me to I will but otherwise I'll just sit here

12:48Ben Mandelker: well I think a big part of the reason why we can't move on or talk about the things that we need to talk about is because they're like certain like Janet and Jason and like there's the thing that happened last year and then there's like other things that we couldn't talk about because this and so Lala's like okay you guys okay you guys are speaking in code and if I'm listening to it. I'm picking up on little things where you're calling and Nia's calling and singing like we're going to the hotel and don't tell him there's an after party because that's where he'll be, etc. And basically Lala's trying to say like you're trying to gloss over the fact that you were trying to prevent Danny from being around booze.

13:22Ben Mandelker: And Nia's like, no, I didn't say don't tell him about the after party. We can pull out the text message because it was a text, not a phone call. I was like, okay, thank you, Nia, for clarifying what form of communication came through here.

13:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but she's also changing the words, Lala's changing the words, because Nia's saying they already all knew there was an after party. She's just saying, don't encourage Danny to go because I don't want Danny going to this after party. Like, if you already agree with Danny not to go, and then people are like, come on, Danny, let's go. She's like, don't do, you know, I didn't think this was that huge of a deal, but it does all lead back to the same road that you have to do that because your husband's probably already wasted. and you know he's going to get 10 times more wasted at this party.

14:06Ben Mandelker: It should just never be an issue, I think, for Nia and Danny. It should never be an issue. If your wife is like, I want to have a nice night in, the two of us, and then that's going to have to be a hard pitch for her because otherwise he's going to gravitate towards the after party. I don't know. I think that's shitty.

14:27Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. Well, it's Danny and Nia's marriage, so there you go. And he didn't even want to go to the after party anyway. He wanted to watch a soccer game in the bar. So either way, Nia's not getting some romantic night with Danny. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I love sandwiches. I eat a sandwich almost every single day of my life. And the best part of a sandwich is the bread. There can be a little carb guilt with bread eating, but not with hero bread.

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17:34Ronnie Karam: So now they're arguing over the wording and the texts. And Lala's like, I have yet to see one. Like everyone has text messages. And Danny's like, you've got receipts like the CVS. I remember that bit you did. That was hilarious. Remember when Lala pulled out a 20-foot receipt from the CVS? That was so funny. Let's go. And he is like, well, it was just as simple. We're staying in after the wedding. So please don't call Daniel and encourage him to come to the after party. So see, to me, that is a complete spread flux.

18:09Ben Mandelker: So Kristen's like, what? Oh, my God, Lala. no, I'm fucking stepping in. Chris did like mighty defender of Danny and Nia at all costs. And Lala's like, can they please talk about it? Those just, no, sorry. I would, I would literally be like, don't you dare call Luke. I would be like that. I would, I would be like, I'm like, well, Luke is also a piece of shit. The fact that you both, that you both have to tell other people to like, Like not say things that way your partner's sort of go-to instincts don't kick in. I'm trying to think of the right words. I'm trying to think of the right words. Like the point is they are treating these men like they're wild animals.

18:52Ben Mandelker: And like it's like, oh, like don't – they are. But I'm saying like that's why it's bad, right? Like they – it's like everyone else – the wild animal is just going to do what the wild animal does. So don't like encourage the wild animal. Oh, this is a terrible metaphor. It's like the dinosaur. It's like, you know what it is? It's like the Tyrannosaurus in Jurassic Park. You know, it's going one way and then Jeff Goldblum raises the flare and then the Tyrannosaurus turns around and comes after Jeff Goldblum. And like, you shouldn't be married to the Tyrannosaurus. That's going to get distracted by Jeff Goldblum.

19:25Ben Mandelker: I think that was a much better metaphor. Yeah, it reminds me of the,

19:27Ronnie Karam: I mean, I think that's general good life advice, you know? But it reminds me of that Vanderpump Rules episode when Stassi was dating Bo. And they had that big Halloween. Oh, they had like Tom's extra party, I think it was. Like, oh, be extra. Be extra, dude. Whatever party that was that Bo was at. It was some kind of costume party. And Stassi was like, okay, I'm going to bed. And Bo said, okay, we'll go to bed. I'm going to stay up and party with the guys. And she's like, really? You're here to party with the guys and not go to bed with your girlfriend? that is the problem and she like ripped him a new one and was like you're my man and if this is why you're here like if this is why you came on this show and this friend group was to just party all night in costume with a bunch of fucking douchebags then go fucking do it but you're not going to be with me like and that was a big thing and then i i'm assuming that he learned after that because are still together i don't know how happy they are i've watched uh some of that stassi's house or whatever the fuck that is stassi rules or whatever house of stassi i don't know that they're necessarily hop oh house of stassi thank you i don't know that they're necessarily happy but they're still trudging along over there but this is what that reminds me of it's like we're going to bed this is what we're doing as a couple and then the other one's like no i'm gonna go

20:51Ben Mandelker: party with all my friends yeah and the thing is this again i'm not even so sure what nia said we're just gonna have a nice night in as a couple i'm not even sure that was really the understanding i think it was more like she doesn't want him to know about the after party because then he won't come back until four in the morning and he'll be wasted and she'll have to take care of him and he may make a scene i could it could get out she's already dealing with a lot of this and that like that's really what this is about and she's putting this spin of like we just want to have a nice night in and uh she knows and kristen knows with luke that like if given a choice between them versus partying with with the boys those guys are gonna choose partying with the boys as lindsey hubbard would say and i think it's like choose the choose the partner who's gonna prioritize you

21:40Ronnie Karam: at all times that's what i say yeah well neither one of them did so let's just watch it spin out of control. And Lala's like, if I had to tell my husband's friend, don't tell him about the after party because I want to go to bed, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, well, a little change of words is important because I didn't say don't tell him. But you just said you told him that. But I said, I don't encourage him to come with you. Okay, don't encourage him. Don't tell him. I mean, whatever. Please don't call to beg him to come, whatever it was. And Janet's like, and what were you worried he was going to do at the after party?

22:18Ben Mandelker: I mean, that's the golden question. And then Nina's like, well, we had planned, like we were a married couple and I just want my husband to stay back in the hotel with me, that's all. And Dana's like, I wish down shares watching FIFA. But you could also do up in the hotel room with your wife, by the way. Oh, I'm sure she would love that. She would. She would because she's happy. Danny calls the shots in this relationship. So she'd be happy. Actually, I think she would be happy for Danny to watch FIFA if they're both just like in bed together and he's by her side. Like if you're sitting alone watching FIFA, like I'm not saying it's bad for a husband to go down to a bar and watch a game while his wife's upstairs maybe trying to go to sleep.

23:03Ben Mandelker: I'm not saying that at all. That's I think totally fine. But I just am saying that I don't believe any of their excuses. I think he was down there because he wants to get wasted at the bar. so like if it was really that he just wanted to watch fifa he could watch that in his room with

23:16Ronnie Karam: his wife yeah so either way uh none of this sounds fun for nia i think it's no that's for sure like none of these options are good so andy is like britney you said at your halloween party that the way Nia protects Danny reminded you of how you used to protect Jax. Um, yes, uh, it is similar. And Brittany's like, well, wait, first of all, I'm not saying there's anything like Jax, okay? Jax is the worst, but you know, I did protect Jax for so long and it like annoys me whenever I see a girl being like, oh, everything he does is fine. It's fine. It's fine. And he's like, that's true. And I see why you would feel that way.

24:01Ronnie Karam: But you also did subject us to over a decade of this and you doing this to everybody else. So I see why it would annoy you and like why you would tell somebody else. But also remember that you literally did this to us for 10 years, you know?

24:18Ben Mandelker: Well, I think it's more like the larger point of it's not like, well, you did it for 10 years. So here you go. It's more like, listen, you know how hard when you're really entrenched in it. you know, you don't see the forest for the trees. And like, you could be saying this to Nia right now. If she's not ready to hear it, she's not ready to hear it. And you know this because you were in it for 10 years and you had the entire internet telling you, hey, stop protecting him. And you came up with every excuse. I'm not saying that's bad. I think that's what happens. You wind up in these terrible relationships and you wind up covering for a partner.

24:52Ben Mandelker: And it's just like, it's a mind fuck. So like, you have to like, you have to just hope that that person has the aha moment and sort of steps away um and so i think like britney trying to get nia to see that it's just that i just don't think it's i think nia just has to come to that on her own terms right like she's always going to be on defense mode the moment that someone says that stuff to her yeah you've got the you've got both

25:16Ronnie Karam: nia and danny kind of in that situation right now because you've got britney who's talking from the perspective of i was with you know jacks and this is what i so i don't like seeing you go through the same kind of thing. And then you've got Lala, who's like, well, I am an alcoholic and I see you going through the same thing. And both of those situations aren't something you can do for other people. You know what I mean? And they're also in situations that annoy people on the other side, because when you get, you know, everybody knows the alcoholic who goes to AA for a year or whatever, and then suddenly everybody around them is an alcoholic where they're like, oh, and they've had a problem and they like the overjudgmental alcoholic we all know that or the person who's on a diet and loses a few pounds and then suddenly it's like why do you need to eat so much right like suddenly they get that opinion the problem here is that those are kind of annoying stereotypes that we've all had to deal with but in this situation they're right on the money so danny And me and Nia both like kind of need to either listen or just go away because it's not up to everybody else to not comment on your behavior.

26:26Ronnie Karam: It's a reality show. And that's what people are going to do. And your marriage sucks. And people are going to comment on it. And that's that. What are you going to do? And your husband's wasted. So people are going to comment on it. Wasted to the point where he's acting like slurry and falling down and yelling at women over and over again in the same season.

26:44Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because I don't think anyone watching the show or even on the show shames Danny for potentially being an alcoholic. No one's like, oh, you're an alcoholic. It's more just like I think we all get frustrated that when he is called out about it, like, hey, you may need to look at reevaluate your relationship with alcohol, how he gets defensive and sort of puts it on other people. and then is like really rude to other people and then doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that this may be a factor for it. And that's so frustrating to watch. It's so, so, so, so, so frustrating over and over and over again.

27:20Ben Mandelker: Like everything, all his excuses on this episode. Oh my goodness. I mean, I wish it was pressed a little bit harder about, you know, what, like, why were you sneaking booze on camera? Like you were caught. You thought it wasn't going to be caught. Like it's Lala brings that up. But like, if you know, you're getting, if you're, if you're feeling like you're getting a shit edit you feel like this you're you're being put on blast for your drinking why don't you just not drink at the party drink like on your off time when cameras are down somewhere else like why do you have to like still sneak that drink in it's crazy yeah it is weird that he wasn't confronted on stuff like that more but it is also odd that we're watching bravo

27:59Ronnie Karam: and this whole thing is like oh my god damn he you drink do you have a drinking problem it's like your network is kind of built on this. Vanderpump Rules was built on this, that's for sure. And most of the shows that we watch on here are built on people, you know, veering into alcoholism and the production encouraging it for better screen time and stuff like that. And the first, well, not the first season, but last season, it was the cast being like, you know, Jax and the others, like Danny does have a drinking problem. It was brought up. And this season, I know he came back all traumatized from that.

28:40Ronnie Karam: But then this season, he showed that he really does. I mean, last season, I think that there was a case for like, they're really on his ass for no reason. Like, this is ridiculous. A dad gets away from his kids. He's allowed to have a drink. And everybody else is drinking, too. You know, what's the big deal? This season, he's belligerently drunk in every group scene we see him in, pretty much. It's embarrassing.

29:02Ben Mandelker: so yeah there was this is he he created these scenes he created this this storyline no one came into the season saying like oh wow well i'm going to let's like talk about how uh like let's make danny out to be a huge drunk because like either he was not drinking very much and he would announce like i'm not drinking that's right because apparently i can't drink he would say passive aggressive things like that or he would just be wasted but he was the one who advanced the narrative and everyone reacted to it so this is all on him so anyway yeah britney is uh she already we're back at the reunion after that that clip and she's again saying like it's you know danny like jacks and danny are two different people like it's i'm not saying that jacks danny is like jacks but she goes but i don't say it one day it wants to be like protect things and not share everything all the time and i get that more than more as i'm watching the show and i are being talked to and stuff and danny's like look i didn't do i didn't go into these things like i I said, you know, it was like stress, anxiety, heightened, unusual alcohol to cope in those areas, which I should not have done and which caused me to have too much to drink.

30:05Ben Mandelker: Like, so you're saying you don't have an issue with alcohol, but you use alcohol to help you cope with a stressful situation. I would love to see you reconcile those concepts a little bit more, please.

30:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, every time he says he's not, he's giving every textbook. you know am i an alcoholic like if you look it up online yeah are you sneaking drinks are you using alcohol to cope are you drinking alone you know it's like he's going down the list of everything that he does like babe at least google it you know yeah so and he's like danny million dollar question just kidding that would never happen on this show but if you're always constantly behaving in ways that you feel are not true to your character and value when you drink why continue drinking on camera that's a big one and i love when andy's asking all these alcoholism questions he has a little smile on his face and he's not looking at danny at all he's just kind of like looking out towards the cameras he hates danny he hates him it's so obvious and it's hilarious and he keeps his foot on his neck the whole time about it i know and danny's like well it's not consistent you know these are just bad moments that are rare and he goes but it's semi-consistent on this show and danny's like exactly exactly which is what i'm saying exactly right andy well it seems like that would be the place where you would not do that because you're on camera right yes you are right let's go andy good one andy and he's acting like danny like andy is complimenting him and he is like well you would hope it would be his best behavior but yeah yeah exactly exact but it's not hey that's where on my side listen which is why i've been again working with someone who's helping me you know figure out a better way to handle that situation you know i actually met a man in the business they call them um bartenders and um he's learned to pour my drinks into a sippy cup a sippy cup with little winnie the pooh on there so i'm really working on that, Andy.

32:15Thank you.

32:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah. When he says I'm working with someone who's helping me figure out a better way how to handle that type of situation, I think we all thought, oh, this is just someone in your church, right? You're not going to a therapist. You're not going to like an alcohol counselor. You are just like talking to someone at church. Okay, sir. So Andy's like, Daddy, after Nia tried to get you to understand her perspective by the pool after the drag pageant, you said i can't believe you said that shit and that was so stupid why were you so upset by what she had said he's like well it was like in a way a lot of times this season um when i was in those heightened states of not feeling like she had my back and feeling like you know she wasn't defending me in a certain way so you felt like she didn't have your back after you were talking shit you're being rude to her and lala came in to have her back and then you felt like the woman who you had been sort of verbally harassing was somehow supposed to have your back in that situation

33:15Ronnie Karam: yes and jasmine's like yeah i mean that came out in mexico too i mean it was like excuse it's all excuses to me and andy says okay danny is there anything that you feel that you're being held to the fire unfairly about and he's like yes drinking oh my god what part of you have been wasted this whole season and caught on camera taking drinks and then being belligerent and emotionally abusive to your wife in front of everybody multiple times. What is wrong with you? How is there such a disconnect that even after Andy asked him all these pointed questions, he's like, yeah, it's unfair to be questioned about my drinking.

33:57Yeah.

33:57Ben Mandelker: I don't care if he's been wasted all season, but it's that he can't handle his booze all season. And that's the issue is that he's, he is not a good drinker. And that's why there's issues with it. But he's like, yeah, my drinking, we must like, God forbid I get that. I can't drink anymore. So Andy is like, so you think this is a false narrative? He goes, well, I mean, Jack said at last reunion, you can watch last reunion. He admitted to it. He admitted to it. And Lala's like, Jack's isn't here. And he's like, exactly. But people are here that call, they called and he talked to, he called everyone.

34:31He called the cameraman, he called Andy Cohen, He called the people who even printed out these cue cards that Andy's holding. He called everyone, got the smirch out on me, poor old Danny Bucco.

34:41Ronnie Karam: But was he calling people and asking them to pour alcohol down your throat? Because the problem is that you were belligerently drunk. It's not that people are saying you're belligerently drunk and it's not really happening. You're drunk in every episode.

34:58Ronnie Karam: So what are you saying, you idiot? it yeah so he's blaming jacks for everything and andy's like let's not talk about last season i want to talk about what we saw this season which was it seems like you have a poor relationship with alcohol like andy does not give a fuck i remember when he would tiptoe around dorinda all the time and just try and find the nicest possible ways to put this over and over year after a year. And this time he's just like, no, let's just talk about right now your shitty drunkenness, okay? Yeah. Thank you. And Danny says, well, that's what I'm saying. It carried over into

35:36Ben Mandelker: season three. So Danny really believes that, like, Jax poisoned the well against him and called people and they're like, yeah, we should go after Danny about this. I guarantee no one on this cast wants to, you know, hear from Jax. The only people who would be influenced by Jax would be, I think, Jesse and Schwartz and Jesse obviously is in Danny's corner and Schwartz is who knows what he's doing. So I don't, like Danny's conspiratorial view of this is like, it's actually like sad. It's like a sad, it's like a sad time.

36:10Ronnie Karam: I removed you from the camera so I could vape solo. Sorry, I hit the wrong one.

36:15Ben Mandelker: And then you vaped on camera. See, the tangle webs, tangle webs you weave. I'm sick of being, I'm sick of Jack spreading it around that I'm vaping.

36:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is bullshit. Danny is an idiot. So then Lala goes on a monologue, which, brace yourself, because it's this entire episode. Danny, this is where I'm struggling. As someone who's an alcoholic, who didn't have to sit in a car and kill an entire family to know it, by the way, I just had to one day realize, oh my god, I'm eating Ram's ass out. And I was like, boom, I need help. So I'm not labeling you, but you're blaming people for your drinking. And we've watched you hide it, and we've watched you acting a fool, and this is the real fucking problem. And I'll be damned if you're going to blame Jack Taylor and say that he's the problem.

37:12He's not here. You know, nor did he call anybody. This absolute bullshit, I will pop you. he definitely did call people though she's like no it's i won't even speak for anyone else it's

37:28Ben Mandelker: what i witnessed and heard and then i when i watched you were pouring drinks thinking like no one was watching like that's a fucking problem and uh and he's like well uh you said i watch happens live that you hope danny that nia leaves danny and so vicky from go to the casa says do do you really think Nia becoming a single mom of four is better than the steps they are taking in therapy together? And then she adds, get a job. And Kristen is like, great question. Oh yeah. Great question. I can't wait to hear that after this. She is a mother. And I thought Lala was gonna be like, well, okay. I was, I was exaggerating, but Lala's actually like, Oh, and then Danny's like, and like your insurance shot a lot of hate, a lot of hate.

38:13Ben Mandelker: Danny people were thinking this before Lala I guarantee the majority of people were not paying attention to what Lala said on Watch What Happens Live yes it incited a lot of hate you're so ridiculous I did like that Lala by the way Lala's answer is like I can't control the audience okay I've been on the receiving end of those things from them and that's like I can't control what they say like Lala you actually I don't want to ever stand up for Danny but you actually did get into a fight with Danny about the fact that he liked something on Reddit or whatever and you basically like demanded that he apologized for it.

38:43And now you're like, well, you know, I said what I said.

38:45Ben Mandelker: I can't, I can't help it if the audience didn't, you know, decided to use that and come against you. I can't help that. I'm like, well, yeah.

38:52Ronnie Karam: Answering a question on watch what happens is different than liking posts from awful commenters, encouraging the commenters. Yeah.

39:01Ben Mandelker: Oh, it is 100 % different. It's just like funny that she was like, oh, well, you know, I can't help it if this, like, if this inflames tensions, which I just thought was funny.

39:11Ronnie Karam: This is the one section of the show that I was actually cheering for Lala because she's like, yeah, you know, I understand there's crazy people out there, but I'm not taking accountability for crazy fucking fans. Sorry. And he's like, well, I just think it's sad that anybody would wish anything. And Michelle's like, I don't think she wishes. And yeah, she said, I hope. and Lala explains very clearly like if someone's verbally talking to you in a way that's not okay behind closed doors which is what we saw then I would hope that you would go be with someone and babies you and loves you like you deserve that and yes I hope that I me personally Ronnie I hope that you leave Danny he's a piece of shit he's emotionally abusive he's a drunk and why would you think that your four kids should be around that He's grabbing people's asses, which, you know, people kind of wouldn't say they got over, but they, you know, whatever.

40:11Ronnie Karam: That's how it started. And then it's just devolved and gotten terrible to where he's yelling at Nia, treating her like shit. So, yes, Nia, you should fucking leave and you should leave with your four fucking children. You should. And for people being like, oh, you can't say that to a parent, then don't marry terrible men and choose to have. Then don't do that. because it's not everybody else's responsibility to sit around and be like, oh my God, would it be better that they're still married because they have kids? No, not if your dad's an abusive asshole. It's not better. And it's a crazy mentality.

40:46Ben Mandelker: I like that Lala did not back up because she said this on Watch What Happens Live. It's like a bold statement. It's one of those things that people rarely say. It's like a taboo area on Bravo to sort of wish that someone would end their marriage, to say, you should leave this man. Like people like that's like one of those things is like, oh, how could you comment on that? They have a family. You're wishing for that family to fall apart. And I like that when Lala was called upon it, she wasn't like, you know, maybe I went too far. She was like, yeah, I actually do feel this way. I think that I do hope that she leads you, Danny, because I think that if you talk to her like this behind closed doors, I don't think that's right.

41:22Ben Mandelker: So she really stuck to her guns there in a way that that was really great. And Danny was like, wow, wow. And then Luke's like, fuck her. Yeah, too far, Lala. Luke, but Luke is, who Luke is, he's had a bad season, but like this reunion, he has been, ooh, garbage. He's disgusting too. Ooh, garbage, garbage, garbage. This one's disgusting too.

41:43Ronnie Karam: Yes, absolute garbage. And of course, Kristen, you know, it's like, too far, la la. No, it's not. She didn't say anything mean. She said what was happening on the show. And so Tom's like, well, I mean, it's not like she's like some timid, subservient woman. Oh, really? She's not? because she's even hunching over this entire reunion. I don't know if you noticed this, but Nia is the only one who sits with her shoulders on her knees most of the reunion to be the same height as Danny. So he doesn't feel like she's totally subservient. What are you talking about?

42:18Ben Mandelker: Well, she's also like clutching Danny in a way that you like clutch your dog whenever there's loud noises around. You know, she's like, no, Daniel, no, Daniel. Don't bark. Don't bark. It's just the male guy He comes every day honey It's okay Yeah I understand what you're saying If you think that glimpse is what is my Every day but it's not And you don't know because you don't know my whole life So to say something Along those lines to a mom To a husband who has a Beautiful family And Michelle's like I think she's just going off Based off of what she saw Well I'm not talking to you Michelle I'm talking to Lala.

42:59Lala's like, I'm hearing Q. I'm hearing Q.

43:03Ben Mandelker: And Jenna's like, I guess this side of the couch isn't allowed to jump in.

43:07Ronnie Karam: Your side of the couch is the only one that's talking. It's Lala. And it's not even her business. But she's so right that I don't even give a shit. You go, girl. So Nia's like, I get your perception if you like. But if that's a glimpse of everything, then yeah, get out. But that's not. We have a really beautiful special home bubble in Santa Clarita. He only talks to me like that when, you know, 90 % of the time he's been on TV this year, but it's not like that at home. Oh, okay. After he made you move to fucking Santa Clarita in the middle of nowhere where you know nobody and are separated from anybody.

43:46Ronnie Karam: Girl, stop.

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47:10So I had to wear a band-aid to run my head. So good.

47:15Ronnie Karam: All right, cool. All right, we'll never talk to you again through the rest of this entire day. Okay, Jesse was treated to Michelle bringing. Okay, so now it's Aaron and Michelle getting upset that Aaron and What's Her Buns were showing so much PVA. and it really hurt her feelings. So the question is, why would you expect Jesse to alter his behavior if you didn't alter your behavior with your boyfriend last season?

47:42Ben Mandelker: Well, I feel I would, you know, I feel like would feel how I felt and that I wished my husband for so many years would hold my hand and hug me. And he said he was incapable of that. And now not only am I on a trip with him, but like, you know, like right in front of my face, she's basically like, he would never hold my hand. Now all of a sudden he is with Lacey. And he's going to hold her hand left and right. And it's going to be right in front of my face. And that was hard for me.

48:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, I think this whole situation's kind of typical couple fighting, but I don't really care. I mean, I think they're both wrong. I mean, yeah, I can see how that would bother her. But you just did it all last year with that guy, that honey guy. So you're not really in the place to be getting upset about this. I did like Lacey being like, I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Like, I'm not affectionate with Jesse at all. I mean, I feel like the only like basic thing I tell him over and over on the show, it's like, I hate you. So like, don't touch me. You're not moving in.

48:47So I don't really get where this like PDA thing is coming from. I don't even give him like PDA, like private displays of affection. I don't give him either version of PDA.

48:57Ben Mandelker: So I actually dislike him massively. I mean, I sort of understand Michelle's point, which is that like, yes, she brought Aaron on the trip last year, but like Jesse was, Jesse had no issue with Michelle and Aaron having PDA, you know, like he was more just annoyed that Michelle had a new boyfriend, I think. And he was particularly annoyed that she was mad that he had a girlfriend, but then she had a boyfriend. but I don't think PDA was ever an issue. But like she basically says it wasn't an issue for him and that's why like that was able to be okay. But like this is a specific issue for me. And that being said, I do think that Jesse ultimately has a point which is like at a certain point, like I can't hold back from wanting to kiss my girl for the back of my girlfriend's head because my ex is there from three years ago.

49:45Ben Mandelker: Like I have to be able to do what I want to do. And I agree with that too. But I also think that like, I think that Jesse skates away. there's always like worse guys than him on the show and he's able to skate away with it but i think that like he's able to skate away with being like a piece of shit and i think that he does do some of these things intentionally to annoy michelle i don't think that like i think he does go out of his way to be more affectionate with lacy in front of michelle just because he knows

50:12Ronnie Karam: it'll irk her so much maybe but to me it's just hypocritical because you did it first so yeah she doesn't have a strong like you started it so i'm very you know fourth grade argument

50:29Ben Mandelker: you started it the end um well she's just i think ultimately it's just it's about the larger thing which is that you would never you always refuse to be intimate or or affectionate with me and then all of a sudden someone else comes along and you'll be affectionate with them and that like really pisses me off but she has to get over that because you're not together anymore and you just have to just let it go like what he does with lacy is going to be what what he does with lacy

50:56Ronnie Karam: yeah so uh okay janet you opened up about some personal drama this season so we talk about janet's uh janet's stuff um which is sad yeah it's really moving negative experience with men And the thing that she opened up to about the assault that she opened up about on the show was when she was 12 years old. And that really colored her experience with men. And she hasn't really had a lot of great experience since then. So certain behaviors from men make her want to separate herself, which I can see.

51:35Ben Mandelker: yeah I thought she had a really profound statement when she said doesn't matter how many years of therapy you have like nothing will stop the hairs from raising the back of your neck when you feel like you're in a situation that's like unsafe and I thought that was that's like uh I think that totally makes sense and it makes everything make sense about how she responded to Danny and the pantry and all those other things um uh so I got it as a really it was a really heartbreaking story that she shared and she didn't even share the details it's just like we could fill in the we could fill in the blanks of the negative space and it was really really awful so then um kristen was skeptical of the timing of your story and jesse questioned why you're bringing it up now instead of sooner i assume when you saw that it wasn't great and she's like i expected it i actually

52:26Ronnie Karam: expected worse so i'm glad that that was just it and kristen's like um but i had no idea what we were talking about and like if i had known chanet like i never would have said because like i get trauma you know and i didn't know it was sexual assault like i mean i didn't know anything and i know it happened to women and like it's not she goes on and on and on and is just smartly smartly just like yeah i shouldn't have said that period yeah you know yeah um so uh so then yeah

52:59Ben Mandelker: Kristen's basically like, yeah, I didn't know. And sorry. So then Andy's like, welcome back, Jasmine. After San Diego, you were getting frustrated with Kristen for not allowing you to speak and not validating your triggers. What do you think Kristen's wasn't? Why do you think Kristen wasn't as respectful to your opinions as Lala's? So now Jasmine talks about what she brought up this season about how it just felt like she, the attention last year was all on Janet. and it just felt like when she was trying to explain how she felt last year people weren't really listening and then lala lala explains how she feels and everyone's like oh lala tell me more and so she just felt frustrated and she got she felt frustrated that people in the audience were saying like why'd you bring race into it and she's like well i wasn't trying to bring race into it but like it feels weird when you're a black woman and you're like trying to say something and then like a white woman comes along and says the same thing and everyone listens to her and not to you like you feel weird when that happens um so uh it was a nice moment because Kristen's also like like she's my best friend and I would never do that to her I'm sorry you know one of those we're entering them we're entering the phase where Kristen is just like oh I don't know why I said this I didn't mean to say it I don't even I barely even remember it like I don't know what I was thinking I'm like you know I'm dumb like she had to explain it to me and Kristen I mean

54:23Ronnie Karam: come on i wish christian would just kind of stand with her convictions like with the janet thing you knew what they were talking when they said janet shared a trauma you immediately were like rolling your eyes you don't have to know the specifics to know what she was talking about yeah you know so stand behind your convictions and just say i felt like janet was bringing this up now all this time later because the audience has been on her ass the whole time and this is a oh, this is kind of a way for her to get in there and block everybody from saying something. You know that that's how she feels.

54:56Ronnie Karam: So I get that that would probably be too bold to say on TV. She would get ripped apart for saying that. But I have a feeling that's how she feels. It's like if somebody says, oh, wow, well, Janet had her own trauma regarding this sexual stuff with men. What do you think she's talking about? So that was the first one. But OK. Then this one, she's like, I just had no idea what Jasmine, what Jasmine. Just say, I got annoyed because we're trying to have a conversation and Jasmine kept inserting herself. And even if it was, you know, Kristen won't just stand by what she was originally doing. She keeps backing up and being like, oh, I don't remember.

55:36Ronnie Karam: And I'm sorry. And it's really annoying. Yeah. She does it to like the next three or four questions she gets to. Like, this isn't a reunion if you guys can't just really talk it out. Yeah.

55:47Ben Mandelker: So Andy now is asking about in Mexico, while Kristen was defending Danny, Kristen was like, well, if we're talking about drinking, why don't we talk about? Brittany, Jasmine, and Zach's drinking. How about, why don't we talk about their drinking? And Kristen's like, I was gutted. And he's like, you were gutted? Watch it back. I was gutted. And Brittany's like, it was worse than that. Janet only even told me. And Jasmine's like, it was bad. It was bad because I watched it and I was like, are you fucking serious? I was literally like, are you fucking serious? And I know we talked, but I was like, really?

56:20Ben Mandelker: So they're all, of course, the three of them are like, you know, they've been given an inch. They're going to take a mile. like i can't believe you would talk about my drinking in that way and i think that kristin had a pretty like easy way of saying like no at that time my thought was these three people who are accusing danny of of drinking too much they all go out and get wasted all the time so like why are they why is it like okay for them to say that danny drinks too much when they have been on camera multiple times you know being belligerent or drunk i think that's what kristin was trying to say when she brought it up i'm not saying that right that's what she was saying and it was

56:56Ronnie Karam: actually true well she it was true i mean look she's not playing the point she's right well

57:02Ben Mandelker: chris was being a literalist about like oh it's about the amount of drinking and it's like no it's not about the amount of drinking it's that danny acts like a like a like a dickhead but there have been moments where they all have done that zach gets wasted and said whatever he said to janet

57:16Ronnie Karam: that spun that whole season off and then later was like well it was just being you know pedantic while i was drinking and then you've got britney i mean we've seen britney wasted a million times so what what you're right what kristen was saying was they all get shit-faced and make idiots out of themselves on tv who are they to say so i know i wish she would just say that now because but now they're all like punching their pearls they're like yeah what what how could you do that

57:43Ben Mandelker: to me how could you say that i drink too much i'm like guys i'm on your side about this dandy thing but like don't be ridiculous here you guys all get drunk it just so happens that kristin brought that up as um as as evidence in the to be pro danny and it's like it's not a good case to make because that's not the issue here but like don't act like you don't get drunk but now they're all

58:03Ronnie Karam: like no because she's they've they all know what the audience is thinking now so she she made a complete 360 in her standing up for danny all the time and it's now acting like she was horrified at Danny's behavior, which we all know is not true. We saw the season, but now she knows that she's supposed to say that. So she's coming back and she's giving answers to the audience that they want to hear. And she's just like, I don't remember anything. And I mean, I don't remember even saying it. And then, you know, when I found out, I said, when I saw the show, I cried for two days. Like I couldn't get out of bed.

58:34And then I texted Jasmine and then I texted Brittany separately. And I was like, we'll talk about it because I don't feel that way. I just don't feel that way about you guys and then you know zach was like i knew it wasn't even you talking like that getting all heightened like that i don't know what it was it was rage it wasn't alcohol i can't even blame the alcohol i don't know what it was yes you do you meant what you said stopping such a wuss yeah so and then britney's like i mean if you guys remember how like jack tried to portray me and big bear and stuff and it was like not true and i still have to deal with those comments from him to this day so for the for my best friend to say that about me you know it's just like don't

59:09Ben Mandelker: put that out there in the universe and so jasmine's like yeah i do think sometimes you need to remember like we are family and like you count danny as your family as well and like remember that the way you treat them treat us like that too she's like got it treat you guys like shit treat danny like he's a king got it no no kristen that's not what i'm saying did i say that i don't remember i don't remember i'm going to bed for two days to think about it all right kristen watching back the episodes can you see why luke was feeling pushed away it's like yeah i mean we've already talked about this but and jasmine's like i don't like the way he talked to her i just didn't like that she's like well there was rage and you know like there was shit that was pent up from pregnancy and like fighting during pregnancy and like i'm going and him going out during pregnancy and it was just like a year of pent-up shit and so even when he was being genuinely kind i just didn't

1:00:03Ronnie Karam: believe it. So Andy moves on and starts asking Schwartz something. And then Luke mutters, oh, you talk about me. Like I was going out all the time and I didn't, it's not even true. He's staring ahead. Like, we're not going to hear this all on his mic. He's like, that's not even true, Kristen. I didn't even do that. And she's like, yeah, right. Just looking at him like, yeah,

1:00:21Ben Mandelker: right, buddy. Yeah. She has this look on her face. Like, don't even try me. So, um, well, Well, Emily from Donut Town says, watching the season back, does it remind you of similar relationships she's been in before? That's my question to Tom. Do you think that this is part of Kristen's pattern? It's like, well, I do sometimes worry that some of the past stuff does haunt her mindset moving forward with like Luke. But like, I don't know, like maybe, and Kristen's like, yeah, Tom, when you said self-sabotage or me, like to self-sabotage this relationship, Like I was three months into postpartum. And he said, no, no, no, no, no, it wasn't my place.

1:01:02I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm a little boy. I don't know what I'm saying about it. I'm talking about it. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, I was not in my right mind. I mean, I used to do that for sure. Okay. You know what? That was really poorly worded. I'm so sorry, Kristen. She's like, but I think you meant it though. I think you meant it. And he's like, well, it was disrespectful and I'm sorry how I worded it. Yeah, but I think you meant it.

1:01:22Ronnie Karam: Exactly, Kristen, which is what they should be saying to you when you're giving your bullshit responses. That's what this whole reunion is making me crazy. Everyone just say what you mean, Tom. You did mean that she self-sabotages her relationships because she does self-sabotage her relationships. And she admits to it in about five minutes. So just say, like, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But, yeah, it did seem like you were kind of self-sabotaging your relationships. What are all these fake sorries? and I don't know why it's

1:01:51Ben Mandelker: it's not a it's actually not a character judgment it's just like it's more just like Tom sort of stating what he observes and it's like that's kind of her pattern she said it before it's not like he's saying that she sucks because of it he's just saying that's what happens so when she's like oh but I was a postpartum how dare you it's like well the postpartum probably exacerbated it maybe made it like even bigger I don't know but like I think he knew well enough to be like you know what i don't i'm not gonna die on this hill i don't care about this as much whatever sorry christian didn't mean it like i'm gonna go back to sitting on the edge of the couch daydreaming about kaya so andy's like wow you admitted that your biggest fear was being left do you worry that luke will leave you well there'll be a couple of times like an hour every day every hour so yeah it looks like it's really crazy that i think that when he constantly goes on camera and says, if she keeps acting like this, I'm out.

1:02:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Why would she ever get that impression? So Kristen's like, yeah, I mean, that was my defense. Cause Luke says, Luke says, yeah, well you get upset and you'd be like, you're just going to leave me. So you'd like, you're just leave me anyway. You're going to leave anyway. So just like, go. And she's like, well, that would be my, that was my defense. I even had to talk to my therapist about it. like my defense mechanism was to push him away and say that because he couldn't hurt me by abandoning me. It's like, you just got mad at Tom Schwartz literally five seconds ago, five actual seconds in time ago for him saying that you do sort of self-sabotage.

1:03:25Ben Mandelker: And she's like, how dare you say that? How dare you say that? Well, I have been telling my therapist that I do like to push people away.

1:03:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm sorry. I got lost in my notes. I closed, I closed them and then reopened them and now I'm having trouble. And you're lost. Well, I will continue on.

1:03:41Ben Mandelker: So Kristen goes, I wouldn't even say you're going to leave me. I would just say, leave. Then just fucking leave. And if this is how you feel, then just leave me. Because I was like, if I say this, just leave, just leave, just leave. And Tom Schwartz, don't you dare say I'm self-sabotaging. So Andy is like, I think you guys should go back into couples therapy. Okay, Danny. Well, we just need to get in a better place first. That's still the funniest thing said in this. The sadliest, funniest thing that was said, which is we can't go to therapy because we're just like we just have to be getting along a little bit better and like work on ourselves before we go to therapy.

1:04:16Pre-therapy. OK. So, Danny, after the blow up in the hotel room, you told me she wasn't offending you, her husband. How would you have wanted her to act? And he's like, well, first of all, I had no idea what cooking meant.

1:04:32Ben Mandelker: I had never heard the word cook. uh yeah when when i said it to you and your face was like what is that you know she's like no you said cocking yeah like i don't know what i said i didn't know what what it was either i don't know

1:04:46Ronnie Karam: it's crazy yeah so they're laughing about the word cock and jason's like oh for the record i'm not a cock i'm like not into that at all okay and jess like no kink shaming okay maybe some people are into it anyway we start to get into it and then there's like arguments happening all over the place and nia was just like listen to lala just listen all right lala why do you think nia acted like a lineman in a prairie dress and stayed between you and danny on the beach to prevent you from talking to him directly she's like because she was afraid what he was gonna say is that it Nia you were afraid of what he was gonna say were you we've seen you pull Danny away from situations in the past she's like well I have a headspace and you know I don't like the heightened dramatics of it all things that are heightened bother me it's why I'm with a little person and it felt like everything was getting heightened and so much more heightenedly dramatically high than it needed to be and obviously Daniel wasn't done with it and Lala wasn't done with it height wasn't done with it so i just want to state for the record that i'll say hello to every single number except for the number 10 you will not hear me say hi 10.

1:06:04so danny is like um yeah that was that was also like the third or fourth time laura that you came to approach me to start talking to me about something else i mean it's crazy so britney is like well i want to say watching it you started danny you started yeah and jason's like lolo just overheard you and lola's like yeah you went to you started it i just went down overheard you and jesse's speaking in a way that i didn't appreciate about women again he's like well started with me talking to michelle and then all of a sudden emoji on up and i grabbed my back i was just there to grab my back so am i not allowed to grab my back like i can't even stand there like so now i can't ask questions i can't kick it with everybody else it was heightened so neil's like stop hiding this lala stop hiding this lala can you look at daniel's wife lala lala so then danny is like um

1:07:04Ben Mandelker: well you just kept on inserting yourself which uh i mean that is what lala does generally speaking But hearing him say that, like, it just sort of, to me, oozed, like, this is men's talk. Did no place here for women's. So Lala goes, I did not insert myself anywhere, Danny. Okay, give me an example of what I inserted myself, aside from this reunion, every other question. There was San Diego, where you were at my house, acting a damn fool. I like she took ownership of the house that they were staying in.

1:07:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, that was my house. she does insert herself constantly but then Danny is constantly blabbing how upset he is to every single person there so it's pretty natural I mean anybody in the cast can say something about it Lala is kind of over the top with it in every you know she's done it the whole season but on the other hand Danny she wouldn't be able to do it if you weren't like where's my apology where do I open it they show a clip of him like sitting at the table with all the guys bitching to all the guys about how he's just had the women are coming for him basically and he's like chewing with his mouth open and spitting food everywhere while he complains it's like you're so gross people have a right to come up and tell you you're an asshole if you're sitting there being the loudest asshole at the party as usual drunkenly spitting food everywhere

1:08:26Ben Mandelker: yeah exactly so um so then danny is like i think this timeline's a little bit off and luke says it started with it started with you and Michelle at the bar and then the dinner table was the second location. They're putting together a murder mystery CSI schematic about how this all went down post-mortem. So Danny's like exactly, you came over and wanted to come and be again, that's what you did Lala. And she's like, well, hey, you are the one talking about Michelle, so why wouldn't she come over and say something?

1:09:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's like, So basically it just goes – I mean, in my opinion, Lala did insert herself. But somebody needed to tell Danny to shut the fuck up and nobody else was doing it. The guys are just sitting there like, yeah, Danny, go Danny. Like someone needs to tell Danny to shut the fuck up. And if it takes Lala, then that's what it takes. I don't necessarily blame Lala as much as I blame the casting of this show being so weak that this is what we've got. You know? Someone needs to tell Danny, none of you are willing to do it. Kristen's a total wuss now. She won't even stand up for anything she said at the reunion.

1:09:39Ronnie Karam: She just keeps backtracking. So if it's going to take a while, then that's what we get. Yeah.

1:09:45Ben Mandelker: So they just go back and forth about who said what, who called out who, who inserted. And Danny is like, it was a lot. It was my birthday. And then Jasmine's like, it doesn't matter if it's your birthday.

1:09:56Ronnie Karam: It's everyone's birthday. Who cares? Yeah, and everybody just laughs and says they don't care about his birthday, and he gets all offended, which was so funny. There was one line in here, Jasmine said, yeah, and then me and you got into it too, right? They didn't show it. They didn't show it, but we got into it too. Remember that, everybody? Maybe they'll show a clip now. Nope, nothing? Okay. Well, I'm on this show too. I'm actually on this show too. Welcome back at Britney's epic Halloween party. The gang decked themselves out as ghouls and vampires. to the theme the evening turned into an all-out bloodbath michelle what's your friendship been

1:10:33Ben Mandelker: like with jasmine ever since because you got it you got into it that night um and so michelle says that they're okay but she's like i don't know if you're good i don't know if you like me to be

1:10:47Ronnie Karam: honest with uh you jasmine's like no i'm good i'm so happy everybody i'm like so happy like i had a great wedding. I'm really happy. I love my wife. They're like, no, we're saying how good you are with Michelle. She's like, oh, oh, I was like, I'm good. I'm good. Okay. But Jasmine, listen, you've got really nothing going on this season. Maybe they're cutting you out of everything. I don't know. From what you just said, they probably are just cutting a lot of your stuff. You know, you have nothing going on. So at least have this conversation. This thing at the season finale was crazy this argument she got into with michelle and that friend this was a lot and the calling each other bitch and the whatever else that was a pretty big thing so she's like okay we're good now that's it it's over like come on jasmine i'm rooting for you to get some more time here but just brushes this one under the rug yeah michelle basically says she didn't go to the

1:11:41Ben Mandelker: wedding because jasmine unfollowed her and she's like well obviously jasmine doesn't like me and it would be weird. This is supposed to be an intimate experience. And so like, I felt like I shouldn't be there. So I didn't go. And Jasmine doesn't say anything like, oh, I wish you had reached out because I really wanted you to be there. And I would have loved to have been there. And even though we've had our differences, I still feel like you're still part of our unique family. And I would have loved to have you be there. Jasmine's like, mm-hmm. Jasmine's like, yep. Does not push back on Michelle saying that she felt it would be weird if she went there.

1:12:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that was a pretty good fight. They should have gotten into it. And I'm not saying they should have fought, but she should have stuck up for herself and been like, all I was doing was coming over there and telling you what was happening with Jesse. And then I've got your friend up my ass and calling me names and all of this. I don't know, they should have had some kind of discussion, but it's this reunion. So they just, what? Everything's great. So now we get to the comic that Michelle was dating. Why was Jesse so bothered? And he's like, well, I mean, he's a client. And, you know, I just looked at her like you're introducing someone to Isabella again.

1:12:55Ronnie Karam: And you didn't see enough of the conversation I had with Jasmine after Michelle walked out. It was a whole thing completely about Isabella. I care only about Isabella and protecting her from a slutty mother. that just dates clients left and right.

1:13:12Ben Mandelker: Michelle, were you secretly dating this guy, Max? And she's like, no, I met him. We became good friends. He became a client. I sold him three buildings. And Andy is like, did Isabella hang out with him? And she's like, well, Isabella came with me to one of the showings, and that's it. And Jesse's like, no, Isabella had told me she said something about a smoothie that she had loved. And I said, where'd you get the smoothie from? And she said, my mom's friend, Max. And I'm like, all right, if you met him at a showing, why is somebody bringing our daughter a smoothie? What if she's allergic to nuts or strawberries or honey?

1:13:48Ben Mandelker: Well, we know she's not allergic to honey.

1:13:52Ronnie Karam: It's just so L.A. that somebody gets in trouble for giving a kid a smoothie. Like the hell's the best thing you can get a kid, you know? But maybe she was driving the guy around to show him different properties. He did buy three buildings. So it wouldn't be so weird. yeah also you're both single and sorry but your kid's gonna meet people that you're dating i think

1:14:15Ben Mandelker: jesse's just life jesse will always take any opportunity to ding michelle and try to like shame her for anything she does every single time yes so andy's like well let me ask you a question when it comes to isabella do you trust michelle is going to do the right thing he's like um yeah uh of course because i know that she that she loves her uh but it's just that michelle's like there's no but there's no but he's like but she didn't do the right thing with aaron

1:14:44Ronnie Karam: hey i wonder what lala thinks she can't control other people and let's remember isabella also had to go through her mom and dad splitting up and that's a much bigger deal and i'm not saying it's right but it's not like michelle moved in with aaron and said i'm kind of fucking over this i'm gonna pack up my kid and get the

1:15:02Ben Mandelker: fuck out of here okay that's true and honestly like erin is the one who dumped michelle and like she was she says here like i was planning a life with him she's like it didn't work out but i was planning on it's not like it was just some like oh some casual thing or whatever um but uh you know jesse doesn't want to hear that and lacy's like well i think it was just because it

1:15:29Ronnie Karam: was the third person. She's like, there is no third person. Aaron is the only one, and I waited to introduce them. And you know, he gets over mad at me for something that he did that was wrong, and he tries to hold it against me, and it is not my fault.

1:15:45Ben Mandelker: We've had those conversations, and you're going to try to paint me as a bad mother, and that's always the problem. And he's like, okay, cool, well, getting back to the Halloween party, Kristen, you told Brittany at Lala that Nia was the one always guilt tripping Zach for being friendly with Janet but then when Nia asked you about the comment you denied it do you have a really strong answer for this I don't know I don't know because I know that I said it but I don't know why I said that I just don't know I have no idea I don't remember pack it up jesus well you know that really hurt my feelings you know because zach believed kristen and my feelings was hurt and all of a sudden i was this liar and it was so hurtful you guys immediately just threw me under the bus i you know well that was wrong you know i was

1:16:40Ronnie Karam: wrong you're right and zach's like i was kristen was wrong and i was wrong as well you're right brittany so schwartz i have to say britney's halloween themed charcuterie board was a lot more impressive than your 007 charcuterie right schwartz is like oh well that's my last diy attempt it was really hard it was really scary and while i did learn how to get balls at tom tom i didn't have enough balls how to learn how to make a good charcuterie plate i'm so sorry i'm scared I'm a little boy. Charwatery? It's just, look, when I make it, it's charcuterie because I'm just a guy. A guy trying to put something together for a party.

1:17:20Ronnie Karam: I wonder if they had a production meeting where they were like, do we really need to have three reunion episodes for this show? Guys, we have to get to Tom talking about charcuterie. Okay? Just make it happen. It has to be addressed. Danny, what was the first, was that the first time you've ever had a drink thrown at you?

1:17:38Ben Mandelker: And Daniel's like, yes, I've never had a drink thrown in my face before. I wish they had shown the shot again because it really was one of my favorite stims, as they say these days. That stim blazes my head nonstop. And I'll see that little cup bouncing off of his head.

1:17:55Ronnie Karam: It was great. I do not believe that that was the first drink he's ever had thrown in it. Maybe that he remembers. Yeah. Yeah. So Andy asked for a show of hands. who thinks Janet went too far throwing that drink and everyone except Jason raises their hands. And Jason's like, I mean, I wish she didn't do it. I mean, she crossed the line for sure, for sure, for sure. And Janet's like, yeah, I wish I didn't because he's already making a fool of himself. So I should have just let him do that.

1:18:25Ben Mandelker: Well, when you're pointing your finger at Janet's face and then I said, get your finger out of her face. And you said, what are you going to do with that bum ass knee, which is like bringing it to a physical thing. Like I have to physically remove you, you know? And Danny goes, I wish he did. You know, in many ways, it was almost like I had been previously at one plane, but then I went up to a higher plane. I guess you could say it was heightened. He was heightened so much that he got heated. He was closer to the sun. And Danny's like, were you drunk? Oh, yeah, I was pretty toasty at that one.

1:18:58But here's the deal. I was apologizing to Lala. Then all of a sudden, Janet says, is that it? And I'm like, I'm not even talking to you. I'm not talking to Lala right now. I'm trying to love.

1:19:07Ronnie Karam: Danny, here's the thing. You were alone, shit-faced, sleeping it off on a couch.

1:19:15Ben Mandelker: In the middle of a party.

1:19:16Ronnie Karam: Drunk, in the middle of a party, like a loser, okay? These three came to fuck with you at the season finale and get a rise out of you. All you have to say is that, okay? We all saw it. We all know that that's exactly what was going on. The problem here is that you're too drunk and too stupid to know that's what's going on. And so you fell right into it. And then you did exactly what they needed to, which is act like a belligerent asshole, misogynist drunk.

1:19:43Ben Mandelker: So if you're getting it from all ends, all season about how you're a bad drunk, dark side Danny, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Why do you get so shit faced at the finale party that you have to pass out on a sofa in the middle of the party? Okay. Like people don't do that anymore. Meaning at your age, at your age, people don't get so drunk that they have to like pass out mid party. That's something maybe in your twenties, but like you can't even keep it together for one party. I'm not saying don't drink, but like, where is that like voice in your head that says, oh, I want to drink more, but I can't because they're going to roast me for this.

1:20:26Ben Mandelker: And I'm on TV and I don't want to embarrass my wife. And I want to prove to them that I actually have some self-control. Like, where is that voice? That's the problem.

1:20:36Ronnie Karam: Additionally, alcohol aside, even if you're saying, I mean, you've sat here saying you and Nia both this whole reunion that everybody is coming up to you, trying to trigger you. And they're always trying to confront you. And you're always in a heightened situation. And, you know, going into these situations, everyone's going to be coming for you to make you look stupid on TV. That's basically what you guys have said for three hours now. So you've been through an entire season of this and you still don't know what they're doing. You still fall right into it and give them exactly what they want.

1:21:05Ronnie Karam: You're just an idiot. You're just bad at this. Jeez. So then Andy's like, Nia, you referred to this group as terrible people. We know that, but do you truly believe that? And she's like, no, no, no. It was not everybody. It was more of a general term. And then Jasmine's like, I'm not going to lie.

1:21:24Ben Mandelker: I hated that. It sucks to hear that. I mean, you're on a reality show on Bravo. So people only get cast on these shows if they're terrible people, let's be honest.

1:21:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, nobody hired you because you're all, like, great people, you know? And so Andy tries to get her to say who the terrible people are. It's like, well, I was heightened. It was heightened. She says I was very heightened. So annoying. I just felt like Lala, Janet, and even though you weren't doing anything in the moment, you, too, kind of, whoever, who's she talking to, Jasmine? and I took that out with my words and that's not how I typically operate we know that typically I just say heightened yeah well you say the three times you say Mexico and you said it talking about your pregnant friends or your pageant friends and then you said it at my party and he was like well it was all in reference that night in Mexico if you as you may remember it was a heightened night no no you were just like you're just like these are awful people and we to get out of here these people are terrible that's all you say it and lala's like and it was after the drink was thrown too she's like like i said you two in those moments okay so lala's like i don't love being thrown into that because i'm a lot of fucking things but a terrible person for trying to have a conversation about your husband's terrible behavior is not happening it's not happening let me say i do regret putting that label on you or anybody in general because i I don't want that to be a person to label.

1:22:57I don't want to be a person to label anyone. I feel like people have terrible moments I didn't think I'll use as a general term. And the way I typically communicate is I don't do blankets.

1:23:06Ben Mandelker: I mean, tell me you've got pageant training without telling me you've got pageant training.

1:23:10Ronnie Karam: Jesus, it's all of them. It's like another bullshit answer. It's like three hours of bullshit. Just say, I said you were terrible people because every time we come into this group, I come with a positive attitude. Like it's going to be great. and then you guys come and try and start fights. Just say that. Even though they can still argue you down and say it's your husband who does it, you're right that they're going to argue with you, but at least say something true. I mean, Jesus Christ, you're such a fucking phony, man.

1:23:40Ben Mandelker: Andy then asked -

1:23:41Ronnie Karam: Wasting my time.

1:23:42Ben Mandelker: Andy then asked, where do Danny and Nia go from here? And he's like, I don't know. I mean, it's not a lot of the people. I mean, a lot of the people we've had great friendships with than talk to weekly, shum even daily. Yeah, and I'm grateful for the friendships that we do have. Some would say our friendship has been almost heightened by this situation. Danny says, the other ones, I don't know where we go from here. Okay, well, welcome back. I want to end on a happy note.

1:24:11Ronnie Karam: Unless you say you're going down for five years and recasting the show with half new people, you're not going to get me, but try.

1:24:21Ben Mandelker: so uh andy's just asking jasmine how the wedding was it was great the next one that same night it was super fun and everything was great it was a great fun fun fun fun time and basically andy is like well now that we've spent two and a half episodes talking about drinking and daniel's relationship with alcohol and maybe drinks too much why don't we bring out melissa and benji with a bottle of alcohol for everyone to toast with.

1:24:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then the person who gets to give the toast is Jesse. That's an interesting choice. And he gives a really boring toast to Jasmine. And they all cheers. And then Danny goes, can we get a let's go? And Zach goes, no. No. Yeah. Please. but then he gets one in anyway yeah he does let's go no one go sign how about you just go

1:25:19Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah oh he's gonna make it his thing he's gonna have t-shirts he's gonna have hats he really oh god he's just one of those people who just drags the same joke out over and over and over again and no one laughed the first time and i say that as someone who does that myself I recognize myself in Danny. And I'm saying, don't follow me. Don't follow me on this one, Danny. Just stop saying let's go.

1:25:46Ronnie Karam: I just hope he said let's go enough that the producers are like, okay, bye. Let him go. Let him go. What an annoying little shithead. And Luke, you're right there with him. Someone commented like, oh, my God, I might even cover this if you hate most of the men. Give me better, man. Why do we cover anything? Honestly, I don't know. That's the only answer I have. Who asked that question? It was just a comment, but it was cracking me up. Like, do you watch this show? Of course we hate the men.

1:26:24Ben Mandelker: They're terrible. I think that's like within our rights. Because we have to say the things that are not being said. Or we have to say the things that are on our mind. And that's our God-given right. Anyway, we made it to the end. We pay taxes? thank you everyone for being here for season three of the valley what a tremendous ride it's been and we will now sunset it as we look forward to new shows to cover thanks for being here and we'll catch you in the next episode and bye bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alice and king our way is the amber way it's the foster and the Furious, it's Amanda Foster.

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