#3510 RHOA S17E20 Part One: New Teeth and Nowhere to Sleep

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3:09Ronnie Karam: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a bravo podcast. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. How are you, Ben? I'm great, thanks. How are you doing? Good. I thought you were going to do the intro, so I was just sitting here. Like, hmm, wow. Can't wait to hear what Ben is going to say. Was it my turn? No, it's my turn. It's my turn.

3:27Ben Mandelker: Oh, okay. I thought it was this Monday. That's how Monday begins. That's great. We could do it together. Yeah.

3:36Ronnie Karam: Well, welcome, everybody. Happy Monday and happy final reunion day of Real Housewives of Atlanta. As usual, if you want this on video, you can find that on Patreon, okay, on Crappins On Demand. And also, that's where you find our bonus episodes and Discord server, a free newsletter that's like a recap of all this stuff that we talk about during the week, and ad-free listing, which is a big one. Go get it. And also, thanks you to everybody who came out last night in San Francisco to see Daisy and Hannah and I on the seas. It was a really good time. They spilled a lot of tea on the seas. All right.

4:17Ronnie Karam: And it was super fun hanging out with them. Really nice. We hung out eight hours and we had a really good time. I was exhausted by the time I was done. Jesus. I don't talk to anybody that much except for you.

4:31Ben Mandelker: Well, who knows? Maybe I've uncorked your ability to talk with other people for a long space of time. Also, thank you. I didn't get bored. They were great. Thank you also to those who came to the book talk. One crappin's listener came up to me afterwards and she brought her son to this cookbook. Moment we had with Martin Sorge. Remember, I was like, his name is Martin Sorge. And then I started saying his name is Martin Sorge because that's what Google said. Guess what? His name is Martin Sorge. But Great Bakes was the book. And thanks to everyone who came to that. And one crappin's listener brought her son and her son asked a question during the Q &A.

5:09Ben Mandelker: and it was the messiest question of all. He was like, what was the stuff we didn't see on Great American Baking Show? Like, what was really going on? And I was like, ugh, I love that the children of the Crappens listeners are asking the messy questions. I love, first of all, that he asked a question in the first place, but that he represented Crappens, the Crappens community so well. But seriously, thanks to everyone who came to that event. It was so lovely. Was it a messy answer too? no it was all polite it was all good basically basically what martin said is that actually like it's a really really nice production and what you see is what you get and there was no like

5:48Ronnie Karam: no messiness behind the scenes no it's too bad you know bless that kid for trying get messier i know

5:58Ronnie Karam: um well here we are real house here we are season 17 episode 20 reunion part three

6:09Ben Mandelker: Ooh, exciting times. The reunion. They must be exhausted by the time they leave this reunion.

6:17Ronnie Karam: I know, it's intense. They give a lot. And they keep it up the entire time. I mean, there is no... Even the parts where I was like, okay, all right, guys. I say it during almost every reunion. We do not need three parts. We don't need it. But God, I laugh every time.

6:36Ben Mandelker: This is a great cast. Like it is a great, great cast. Like who cares what I had complained about how sort of late in the season, maybe the final act of the season kind of started to run out of gas, but that has nothing to do with the fact that this is a great cast. Their chemistry is amazing. They are hilarious. Their reads are nonstop. Andy, Andy basically gave them his blessing at the end of the reunion. He was like, this baby, I haven't had this much fun since back in the day. So, yeah. I think we have a great foundation for next season.

7:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Let's see where it goes next season. I guess we can talk at the end. Like, who do you think will be back? Let's get through this first.

7:24Ben Mandelker: We could talk about it at a crappy hour tonight. How about that instead?

7:28Ronnie Karam: Okay. Oh, yeah. Crappy hour. Tonight, 5.30 p.m. Pacific time. Join us. Be there. It's live. Either or be square. So we open with K. Michelle paranoia. It's the paranoia montage, the plotting and the planning. You're all plotting and planning against me. And all of the evidence is cuckoo bird. You know, it's the, oh, you know, black. How dare you say I know black? Oh, I don't know that man. And then the Porsche making a casual oyster is like a vagina reference to which K. Michelle also took umbrage compared it to the rumors of her allegedly smelly vagina in the past. so it was just a roller coaster of k michelle's the beginning part of the season where she was just really overly paranoid about every little thing yes and so are you a confessional warrior

8:34Ben Mandelker: and she's like well i'm an emotional tweeter yeah that's right okay i have a confessional gangsta she's like okay let's settle down there so andy's like you have you basically everyone was like what you had everyone going nuts like what's going on with you and she's like well i don't know like someone asked me how do you know black and i'm like huh so then i look at my phone and i look and they needed to say something and i guess he was talking to himself and then i look there i was like i guess i said hi to him but like i didn't really know him and i didn't know him at all and then i went to the color and i went to a new store and they asked about the color wheel and i said well you got like rogy b even you got brown you got black whatever they're like you know the color black and i was like oh my god why are you saying that i'm having a fire with a body I can't even understand anymore.

9:15Ronnie Karam: Truly. Like, okay, Michelle, here is the chance. You've had all of this season to watch back, and you've kind of confused the audience. Now is your chance to explain yourself. Like, what the fuck?

9:30Ben Mandelker: She's like, I looked in the phone, and I said something, and then Drew said something, and I thought I was there. I was like, okay. I mean, actually, she handled it with good humor.

9:39Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, but it still didn't make any damn sense. But we did get a new piece of evidence that was brought to the forefront. Miss I don't know black. And he's just some guy who sent me a DM one time. She let it slip in there in the middle of all this. Oh, yeah. And I said, oh, yeah, we did a play together. And then, okay, so I do know. You did a play together? That's knowing somebody. Anybody who's done a play together knows you know somebody. If somebody said, I know Ronnie. We just did a dinner theater show together in 1990. I would still know that person. I mean, that's an intense thing, a play.

10:17Ben Mandelker: We are all honest. I think there may be a misinterpretation on your part here. Because you said, yes, because her direct quote is, I'm like, okay, he's talking to himself. Oh, yeah, I said to him, we did a play together. I said, oh, thank you for coming. I think that we did a play together. She was not saying she did a play with Black. I think she was saying we did a play with someone else. And maybe she was even talking to someone on the stage because I just don't remember exactly. And she said that what she wrote to him was, thank you for coming to the play that she was in with a shared person.

10:56Ben Mandelker: So it's not that she was in a play with Black. I love to think that they did Our Town together. Me too.

11:04Ronnie Karam: Especially if it was Our Town. That would be the probably only entertaining version of that show that's ever been done.

11:10Ben Mandelker: okay michelle's a narrator well okay they're kids they can throw up the die what else is new what okay michelle just does like all the great american plays i remember mama okay so it's uh there's a family and they're not doing so well the end it's like

11:29Ronnie Karam: okay what about our wilderness real depressed and he sells some shoes and then but he goes up and kills himself at the end he's just like mixing all the plays together okay the crucible

11:39Ben Mandelker: So there are these witches in Salem, and they're up to witchcraft, which is no good, so they get hanged. But you know what? They probably deserved it.

11:45Ronnie Karam: The end. There's this lady who cheated on a guy, and then all of a sudden everybody's calling her a whore because she knows black. And I said she didn't even know black. A girl. Scarlet Letter. Stella! Stella!

11:58Ben Mandelker: Stella! Stella, you bitch! This woman named Stella, she was driven mad because of her friend group. So she just walks around New Orleans,

12:08Ronnie Karam: sluts around whores herself out the end jellicle cats angelical whiskey angelical jesus angelical bitch you better shut up yeah her name is honey and she has some chronicles big deal the end

12:26Ronnie Karam: okay this show has me believing anything because we've seen many a play done on this show where i'm that's a play, I guess. And we've seen many a rehearsal for things that I can't believe are even things. So I believed it. I was like, oh, okay, they did a play together. Black the hookah magnate and K. Michelle. Did Summerstock. I just showed up thinking that's what it was. And I was like, hey, right, that's new evidence. You lied to me.

12:57Ben Mandelker: Famously, K. Michelle and Black were in the Williamstown Festival performing in M. Butterfly. So, K. Michelle is...

13:10Ben Mandelker: A Mother's Love. So, anyway.

13:16Ronnie Karam: I could go on all day. How did you go from Heidi Chronicles and M. Butterfly to A Mother's... Well, we're talking about the Green American playbook. Who did A Mother's Love? Candy Burris? Candy. Candy, yeah.

13:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That's more of a musical.

13:41Ben Mandelker: Angels in America, anyone?

13:44Ronnie Karam: All right. So they did not do a play together, probably. But I really came here today like, huh, she was in a play with him? Well, that is knowing knowing somebody. You really know somebody. I remember she was. You see them memorize a monologue.

13:57Ben Mandelker: I could be wrong. she's like i mean maybe maybe they were in the philadelphia story together who knows maybe he was ck dexter haven um so okay i'll just go on the whole episode i'm just gonna be talking about plays um we're out of place we love plays um okay michelle says so as time goes on it's around the land of that man and drew are dating like the same man okay and like so by this time we get to Dallas and she's like your friend your friend I'm like why is it my friend and Andy's like well Drew I mean you thought they had met her spoken and Drew's like yeah because when you saw him on FaceTime you seem familiar I'm surprised they didn't air the clip again which they aired many times a season of Kay and Michelle waving doing like like an auntie wave into the camera

14:44Ronnie Karam: like when your phone gets passed around at the holidays good to see you when you're remote from

14:52Ben Mandelker: your family at the holidays and they pass it around like hi we'll see you next year at

14:59Ronnie Karam: thanksgiving like that's the wave she gave to black you know yeah um so she's like yeah and then even before i got there that's why i went in the dm and i was asked why i know him and then i of course i'm going to sit there and look at him because i just saw him in the dm so of course i'm going to say like hi how are you i just saw him in the dms so andy's like so you're just you were just acknowledging that you've spoken it's like yeah and you know like you're not hiding anything like i know you don't i was like i don't i don't i don't i still don't understand and it cracked it was cracking me up the whole time i was like so basically you didn't know him but you did know him but you don't know him and no one insinuated that you were doing this guy come on yeah so andy's

15:42Ben Mandelker: like okay let's move on to the oyster okay you okay you realize k that by you bringing it up You got something that I know you did not probably want discussed to then be discussed, which, of course, is the rumors about her lady parts. And Kate Michelle's like, well, I felt like if I was going to be discussed anyway, then here I am. Here I am. Here it is. Here is it. And let me tell you, not only here I am, I smell great.

16:11Ronnie Karam: I wish they showed the clip because it was my favorite part of the season where she's like, you want to talk about my vagina? You don't even know this vagina. I've had eight vaginas since then. Whatever she said. That was probably the funniest thing said all season. I just kept rewinding that and rewinding it. You don't even know this vagina. You want to talk about it? Go ahead.

16:34Ben Mandelker: She is so funny to me. She is so, every time I see anyone on Twitter say that she's a flop or something, I'm like, you, like, you're wrong. She is so funny at all times, intentionally, unintentionally, across the spectrum. She's funny to me. And that's what I do.

16:49Ronnie Karam: She's definitely a unique person. My God. And I agree with you. I don't mean that as a diss. She is one of a kind. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I have a giant deck outside and needed to furnish it and was worried about getting things that matched and getting things from different stores and making it all work together. Well, it ended up all working out beautifully with Wayfair. I got every piece out there from Wayfair. I got couches. I got chairs. I got tables with chairs. I got heat lamps. Everything I needed for that patio came directly from Wayfair, and it looks fantastic.

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19:58Ronnie Karam: the vagina thing now that we know about it and then seeing how they were talking about but i thought no this show's making me paranoid now so yeah i got over it pretty quickly good for you

20:12Ben Mandelker: that sounded so condescending i didn't even mean it to be condescending i was like i'm happy i was like i'm glad i'm glad I'm glad. Good for you, sweetheart. Bless your heart. Glad for your journey. Just a random shade that came out of nowhere. Meant more like, I'm glad. I'm glad that you got it.

20:35Ronnie Karam: No, I know how you meant it. And so then they talk about the vagina a little bit. And Drew's like, I didn't even know the story about your vagina. What, the defamation of the vagina? I hadn't even heard of that. Andy, but that, you know what? That is not, you know, that's, oh no, it was Kelly. He's like, well, that's not crazy for these ladies to dig up past things on people. Okay, Kelly, okay. Yeah, yeah. Kelly's really wearing these people. I like when Kelly gets all moral with everybody and then goes back to, who's your man talking? Okay, one thing I will say, the cast is great and very funny.

21:15Ronnie Karam: Kelly's, when Kelly gets activated and she goes really high with the voice, I've had enough of that. That is like sirens passing my house.

21:27Ben Mandelker: Kelly drives me nuts. I think if she weren't dressed like a crafts night thing that went awry, I would have more tolerance. But just sitting there watching her with these big pearls sort of cascading over her head, like a little handle for like Sophia's pocketbook on the Golden Girls. I just, I just can't. It's like, I was going to say a little girl church purse, you know, like a fancy purse, but I think Sophia's handlebar is better. It's like, but homemade, it's like the homemade version, like a tribute. You went to crafts night at the local community center and you were like, I'm going to make Sophia's bag.

22:06Ben Mandelker: And then you came out with this like weird, like wireframe thing. And you're like, yeah. Yeah.

22:14Ronnie Karam: So K. Michelle's like, well, maybe I'm overthinking. And Portia's like, yeah, you're like on a mission to find all of this stuff to be true. And it was just such a waste because we wanted to get along with you. And Angela's like, oh, I get it. And I get that she looks crazy, but she's not, because I came the same way in my first season. She's like, I put it all out there. I knew the rumors, and so I just put them out there. Phaedra and that whole, I was trying to push a square peg in a circle hole why are you talking about my holes so then uh i'm suing you for defamation

22:54Ben Mandelker: talking about circle holes so okay michelle is like yeah i'm just trying to figure it out and what now you know just just how it is and drew's like well let me say this i understand your perspective so i appreciate you for sharing it because it's scary being a part of this group you know the people that will try to come into this sisterhood and infiltrate and place wedges especially when you've been in feature films with John Travolta. And Andy's like, okay, well, Portia and K. Michelle, we discussed the thing with your ex. Could it be that this person also was either trying to get back at Portia for some of this stuff?

23:27Ben Mandelker: Like, maybe it was that.

23:29Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, and 100%. And even today, she said that I was still with him or sleeping with him. but also okay so they they've talked about the ex but then didn't we also find out in this reunion that k michelle is still talking to him and getting gossip from this guy i i have to tell

23:51Ben Mandelker: you something this little facet of this of this like relationship that's come up a few times in this reunion and the season has not been sticky with my brain it like comes and goes i see i'm like and then i just it does not like there's one of them that they're you know they're getting

24:05Ronnie Karam: they're getting all fighty with each other about it. This was something that happened on Twitter. This was a big thing.

24:10Ben Mandelker: It's just a little too off screen for me to really retain from week to week. Yes. So I really can't comment on it because I'm not, my brain won't accept it.

24:21Ronnie Karam: Well, Kay Michelle says that she and Portia do get along. They laugh together and they can be, you know, they're going to be fine. And this version of Kay Michelle is just fun loving. She's like, well, I know it's just so silly. No, no, no, no, no. but she really spent the first half of her season losing it about all of this little shit that wasn't even true or didn't even make any sense. And it was kind of all in her head. So Portia's like, well, you know, I'm glad you got over it, but you know, I'm rooting for you on the show. I watch the show. You're great on it. And they're all like, we actually like you, K Michelle.

24:55Ronnie Karam: We like you.

24:56Ben Mandelker: It's like a nice moment. And there's almost like something that's finally put to bed because all season long, we've been saying like, Hey, Michelle, you're in your head. you're trying to get ahead of these stories too much and you're actually damaging these relationships just like put your heart into it in the set not put your heart into it but like open your heart to it a little bit more and i was like this is a really nice moment of resolution and then i was like oh and you know shimmy is just gonna ruin it and sure enough gray cloud and the godiva chocolate wrapper just is like she suddenly you see her she has that look on her face and we're Like, okay, what is she going to say?

25:32Ben Mandelker: And it's, of course, except my first thought was like, okay, Shamia is probably going to say something about like, oh, wow. Funny how Portia can have like the patience for Kay Michelle, but with me, she can't. I just assumed that was going to come next. And she sort of has a variation on that. She says, I mean, I'm so happy. Y 'all like you're all able to move on. But like in your interview, you said Kay picked the wrong team, but I was accused of having alliances. is like what do you mean by her picking up shamia is just like the queen of the what about what about what about what about what about i'm like it's exhausting shamia bring back the ray of light

26:08Ronnie Karam: shamia that i i knew and loved years ago yeah it's it's old and it's i the parts but sometimes i feel bad for shamia because this is just everybody comes to a right it's like oh okay resolution we're all happy well not me well great now you're getting along with borsha great let's fuck it up it's like oh it's just so you've got nothing you know and it's not just that you have an alliance it's that your head was up portia's ass for a decade until you got on the show and then turned on her i mean there's so many there's so many aspects to it that shamiya just wants to water down and be like yeah but what about what you did you are you are you are and it's just exhausting at this point and portia's just not paying her any dust she's just

26:54Ben Mandelker: rolling her eyes like whatever the i think like the approach that i mean it had the stuff with the moms not happened there would have been hope there's no hope but i think the approach that she should have been taking is not like like look at this double standard i think there's a of course of course porsche will have a double standard she always has double standards porsche is we'd love Portia, but I would not look at her as someone who is always the most, what's the right word to say? I think Portia is self-involved. That's probably what makes her a great housewife. And so usually people who are self-involved, you can't expect any sort of logic or reason from them because it's all just going to be whatever logic supports what they need is the logic they're going to go with, which means that you will find that there will be double standards for those people.

27:46Ben Mandelker: So for Shamia constantly being like, but what about, but what about, but you were nice to her, but what about me? But what about me? But you said this about me. It's like, you're not going to get anywhere with that. You should say, I would love if the spirit that you, like in the spirit of resolution you came to with K. Michelle, I love if we could lean into that a little bit with our relationship. And I feel like we could really start to rebuild or something like that. But if you're constantly trying to like have a gotcha moment with Portia or really with anyone, people don't respond well to gotcha moments, you're just not going to get anywhere.

28:19Ronnie Karam: Gotcha, Shamia. We love gotcha Shamia. The audience definitely responds to gotcha moments. We love them, especially, you know, Housewives audiences love a gotcha moment. She just doesn't ever have one. She just fails at them all. And that's the thing with Shamia. It's like, she's not a hateable person. She's a very likable person. And that's why it's so sad to just see her strike out over and over again. Get back on the bench already. Jesus Christ. It's been sort of just wasting the hot dog sales. You know what I mean? Go back to the bench. So also, alliance, that didn't even make any sense, but I really won't read.

28:57Ronnie Karam: So also, housewives are alliances. You're literally split onto couches based on whose team you were on this season. Porsche's side is one alliance. You're one alliance. Everybody just stop crying

29:10Ben Mandelker: about it, for Christ's sake. I think she just doesn't really like being viewed as someone who like plays by the team. I think the thing is that she sees Portia as someone who like, you know, says, here's this team, like, here's my team, and then the rest is your team. And she doesn't like that. So she doesn't want to be seen as someone who also participates in teams and alliances or whatever. But you do like whether it's like official or not, you have your people and you have the people that are not your people. and so like rather than resisting it and trying to like get her on this like bit of logic or whatever this is not it just this is not a debate club like maybe this would be effective at a professional debate where you earn points for making like you make you get points for making points but this is housewives and so the gotcha moments that we like are the ones that are funny and um trip people up in their own hypocrisy but like this doesn't trip anyone up it's just sort of like it's like but what but what about huh but but but you said you know it's like and it's also

30:12Ronnie Karam: not even your fight like what are you even in you're losing enough in all of your own storyline fights for you to have to jump in on someone else making up and try and do it you know that's why

30:23Ben Mandelker: it's just unpleasant it's like if you're having there's a genuinely nice moment happening in a in a largely contentious reunion and you have to sort of turn it into an acrimonious moment about yourself. It's just like, it's just not a good look.

30:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then Portia gets her and she's like, well, okay. Now that she wants to chime in, I heard Shamia say like, I'm not like the girls in this group who think she's a liar and who thinks she's delusional and the world hates her. Shamia's like, what? She goes, well, that was talking about this group. She's like, when, when did you hear me say that? And Angela's like, you said it in Dallas. You said these girls plot and scheme just like you all do on me. And she's like, well, I was just letting her know because I knew that she would see the interview and I don't think that you're crazy. You know, I don't think you have personalities like, you know, multiple personalities like all of them do.

31:08Ronnie Karam: Okay. So Shamia, you lost another one. Just you. Why are you walking into it? You're setting your own trap. You're like putting your own cheese in a trap and then you're eating the cheese.

31:20Ben Mandelker: I would do that. Because the cheese. I would too. I mean, cheese. I'd be like, it's worth it. Break my fucking back.

31:30Ronnie Karam: just how many times have i literally gone into my fridge and been like but cheese is mold how bad can this be literally just walking into my own trap over and over again so but i don't lose that one and then um shimmy is like oh well it's easy for me to be the fall guy because I have conflicts with so many of these women. Right, but that's not making you the fall guy. It's making you the person that has conflicts with everybody. Why is that? Yes,

32:04Ben Mandelker: exactly. You have too many conflicts, Shamia. She's just a teenager right now, that's all. She's trying to find her voice. She's like, okay, I've been so nice. I've held my tongue. I've sort of repressed my own feelings or suppressed my own feelings in order to help my friend, Portia, shine. And now I'm on the stage and I thought Portia, after all these years of me wanting to help her shine, Portia didn't really help me shine as much as I would have liked. And now I got kind of burned by it. So I'm just going to be me, but now she's overcompensated and even says later on, like, well, you took the advice, use your voice, you really went with it.

32:44Ben Mandelker: But it's like that thing where you're learning about coming out of the closet, you're like, Like, you know, when guys come out the closet, they almost always have this like hookup spree, you know, and it's because it's like, wow, I get all like it's everything now. Like I'm released. And then you sort of you learn to sort of pull back and calibrate. I think that she is just in her having a voice.

33:03Ronnie Karam: Oh, the having a voice. You know what? Here's here's what I say to your voice. Shut up. There's there's that saying like everybody's feelings are valid. And then there's the counter. No, they're not. Some feelings are stupid. And this your feelings are now expired. the validity well that's the thing it's i felt for you for two weeks and that's how

33:24Ben Mandelker: i don't think of it like a parking garage think of a part like a parking garage um you are your emotions are valid for the first two hours and afterwards it's a dollar fifty per for 20 minutes okay like even garages even even validation in garages runs out this is not all day at some

33:44Ronnie Karam: point i'm just gonna say i'm gonna park on the street so i don't have to deal with you and your validation your needs of validation okay yeah so um k michelle is like well you know i don't want you to feel like that you know like you know how to get under my skin drew because now they are talking about drew and he's like whoa i've had drew and k michelle haven't we already discussed this it's the third hour we've already talked about k michelle and drew so now the question is are you guys gonna make up and k michelle's like oh you know we have fun going back and forth and she knows how to get under my skin.

34:19Ronnie Karam: But, you know, part of me enjoys it. And I love that she's acting like, oh, Drew just gets under her skin. You are the one in the car blaring out the, you know, the national anthem, making fun of her, leaving the... This whole like K. Michelle, everybody getting under K. Michelle's skin is cracking me up. And she's just such a, she's so personable that even Drew's like, okay, yeah, that was fun.

34:45Ben Mandelker: I enjoyed it. I'm not going to discount someone who says that Drew Sidora gets under their skin. I think there's a good chance she gets under a lot of people's skin. I think that's a fair... I think it's allowed. I think it's allowed. Yeah. All right. Well, Meredith from wearing a mask at the spa, beauty lab, and laser says, Kelly, do you ever feel like you're a rebound BFF because Borsha and Shamir are no longer BFFs? She's like, no, I'm not a rebound. Me and Shamia have built a true friendship And I can truly call and count on her Well of course you gotta say that Because you're living in her house And wearing probably the same Dress from her wardrobe Since it's the same designer I mean Yeah It's a rebound It's a rebound It's a rebound Commercials

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38:27Ronnie Karam: Well, Jolene from Please Don't Take My Man said, sorry, I don't know why I'm talking like Kelly, like Kay, Kelly, if you think frickin' Frack are whacked, that gets me every time. Why are you asking Phaedra, aka Frack, to help you fight your ex-husband in court? And this, I think, is a great question. How are you going to go get so much help from one person and then just diss them constantly in interviews and behind their back? That's really

39:02Ben Mandelker: that's really gross i actually think it's gross and i think the way i think i think in this segment she was gross because she's like well i didn't ask phaedra phaedra offered me their advice so it's like okay just like you stop like just say just say oh you know what i was just trying to be funny the truth is i love phaedra and this was really more it was more dedicated towards Frick, then Frack or whatever. But like she said, she's like, not just sort of like, she's like, Oh no. Well, no, Phaedra came to me like, Oh, I was fine without Phaedra. And then, uh, she says that they built a relationship off camera and like, yes, Phaedra helped me, but also I paid them$10 ,000.

39:45Ben Mandelker: So it wasn't for free. And so then Phaedra's like, yeah, but your billable hours were well over$60 ,000. And she's like, well, whatever. It's You got a discount. And Kelly is just she just turning her nose up at actually this generous thing that Phaedra's firm is doing for her.

40:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And anyone who's ever had to hire a lawyer knows how crazy expensive that is. And ten thousand dollars is dropped, especially for a contentious divorce. That's crazy to just be like, whatever. I gave her ten thousand dollars. So everybody needs to stop acting like it was free. Let's be clear. And Phaedra's like, oh, yeah, there was a lot to be done. And Kelly says, well, but I had already paid my attorney over$250 ,000. So he'd done a lot of the work already. So she just had to take the work that he did and use that work. Really? So you're talking about how big you are to pay$10 ,000 and then you admit to spending a quarter of a million dollars.

40:47Ronnie Karam: Like compare those two numbers, Kelly. And didn't Phaedra win Kelly's case?

40:53Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't remember. But also, if Phaedra is still representing Kelly, I would be shocked if Kelly doesn't get dropped. Because it's one thing to not be gracious about this largely free work that you're getting. But it's another to say, oh, not only that, they didn't really do anything. Another lawyer did most of the work, and they just co-send on top of that. Because now you are saying that the lawyers really don't bring anything to the table. And that's incredibly shitty. Right, you're calling her basically lazy now.

41:28Ronnie Karam: Like, oh, all she can is take someone else's work. Yeah, it is shitty. And it doesn't surprise me at all from Kelly. And yes, Phaedra Parks won the legal case for Kelly regarding her custody and filming rights battle against her ex-husband. So someone wins the case? I mean, yeah, this is really bad. But then again, when you're someone who's taking from everybody and you're on a show where you have to fight, what do you do?

41:54Ben Mandelker: you know yeah well i think that she's i think she's about to get dropped by that firm if it hasn't happened already because i think that's i just think that's that's that's that's that's bad they're helping you with your divorce and they're saving you fifty thousand dollars and you're still gonna complain essentially or not complain but like sort of what is what's the look the gift horse in the mouth it's that's that's that's shitty we do not approve yeah so porcelain

42:22Ronnie Karam: Angela's like, well, why are you discrediting what she did? And she's like, no, I'm not. Phaedra said, yes, you are. And she's like, well, hold on, golden retrievers. Hold on, hold on. Angela's like, I had to pay$5 ,000 just to respond to a cease and desist from Shamil. And she's like, I don't have anything to do with that. You just cease over there. And she's like, with your brokers. Angela will just take any chance to just jump in and call Kelly broke. i know it's funny nothing to do with anything it's like kelly i love your love your outfit

42:57Ben Mandelker: broke you're broke andy asked phaedra um how she feels about this all and phaedra's like well i was disappointed because i've been a good friend to kelly and anytime kelly calls me i pick up and i've given her information of great restauranteurs that could help her i mean she's sitting right next to pinky who's restaurant tour and she never helped her which i love just a straight a pinky and Pinky's like, yes, I have. I have a lot of knowledge and a lot of experience. Have I not helped you with information? And Kelly's like, no, we've had good conversations because yes, we've had good conversations.

43:29Ben Mandelker: Next.

43:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but also, no, Pinky, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. That's not even comparable. Phaedra's like, I've helped her. I gave her information of great restaurateurs. Phaedra's giving her contacts and stuff like that. And Pinky's like, well, we've had conversations. So next. it's not really the same and you're discounting it again yeah um uh but you know that's good i'm

43:56Ben Mandelker: sure pinky could help kelly with navigating bankruptcy very nicely um so andy is like uh he's like okay well stephanie from her private jet wants to know what's up with rum bum the one person in America has finally asked the question. So Shamia's like, oh my god. I'm just so disappointed. Unfortunately, I tried to get a deal done and they're nothing but crickets because this is a company that his family owned and the father it's like his baby and he's like not trying to release it by any means. Lady, you should have known this. I'm sorry. You should have known this. If you're like something was something went awry along the way because it should have been clear obviously the company thought there was gonna be one situation happening which was we're going to whatever it was that they offered later in the season and shamia's team we're gonna slap your name on a we're gonna slap

44:56Ronnie Karam: your name on something to you know like a special licensing maybe you know like a whatever yeah like the cynthia what was the sweet the tea or whatever she came out yeah you know it's like a house like like Lena Rips, you know, Lena Rips, Rinna Lips. You just slap your name on something and a company makes a little version of it and they make money for a year or two and then, you know, they still have their other business. So that's what's confusing because she says he didn't want to release it. Were you trying to buy the rum company? I thought she was just doing kind of a label thing.

45:32Ben Mandelker: But also like, can you go to another company? Is this like the only company you can do rum bum with? I don't know. I think it's probably a blessing. I think because her husband got involved.

45:43Ronnie Karam: When she was talking with her husband, Gerald, and they were all on the phone, it sounded like there was a pretty heavy investment that she was going to get. And that's usually not how it works on a housewives business that you slap your name on. You know what I mean? Yeah. He probably was like, this is not right. They come to you. It's like, we're a wine company, and we're going to come out with your wine called Watch What Crappens Wine, and we'll give you a dollar for every model that's sold. Yeah. Right. Like the Bloody Piggy or whatever. The most famous of all of the Housewives alcohols.

46:21Ben Mandelker: I can't believe that was really a thing. Anyway, the point is that, like, obviously something went awry here. It sucks for her that it didn't work out. I think it's a blessing in disguise. I think Rumbum is like, I just, like, to me, Rumbum is down there with Bloody Piggy. So I think it's okay that this, we just move on. She just moves forward with a new idea next season. If she even comes back next season.

46:46Ronnie Karam: You want to come up with a delicious alcohol based on my ass. Ass juice.

46:54Ben Mandelker: That's one of the, that's one of the sadder ideas. Rumbum and it tastes like a peach. I'm like, Like, oh, everything is, I just don't like peach flavoring. That's my thing too. So I'm like automatically against it. So then Andy's asking Kelly about her second Nana's location closing so soon. And like, did she bite off more than she could handle? And she's like, oh, I did really want it to work. And that was my third location. And my first time, like really having to close an actual location because it didn't do well. So it was hurtful for me. It was hard. And Cynthia's like, it was hurtful for me too.

47:28Ben Mandelker: You're just 10 minutes away from me. Very hurtful to Lake Bailey and my waffle intake.

47:35Ronnie Karam: So why was Drew so evil about showing up at the restaurant on social media and making, you know, making like a funny video about it? That was cold. And Drew's like, well, I mean, I've always supported. I've always been very supportive of Kelly. She's like, oh, please cut it out. But, you know, I was going to support, but I just couldn't support. Let's not act like she's so supportive. and Kelly's like, oh, please. She lives all the way in Duluth. And then she says she's going to go get food for my kids. You don't even have your kids. Stop it.

48:08Ben Mandelker: So then they go back and forth about the kids. And I think actually do they even get to the bottom of the original question, which is why did Drew film such a shady video? And then ultimately Drew just winds up calling Kelly a chihuahua and she goes, you know, one minute we're cool. Then you come for me saying, I don't buy something from your ball main event. and et cetera. And she goes, well, because you lied, you lied. Even Angela said you lied. I mean, Angela will say anyone lies, right? Angela's like, yeah, but you're still talking about it. So basically, yeah, Drew is able to not answer that question at all because he gets sidetracked with this whole discussion.

48:45Ronnie Karam: But also it's just so gross for Kelly to say you don't even have your kids. That is like bottom of the barrel. Especially when she's going through herself. yeah i think that's what they bonded over last season yeah i just i don't like that at all but drew is like i don't even want to say teflon because teflon dings and she's just like it bounces she's like tupperware just bounces off of her she it doesn't even affect her she's like i do have i do my kids so what do you mean and then they just move on i feel like any other housewives show it would be like how dare you how dare you bring my children into this be five years but you

49:24Ben Mandelker: remember you brought my children into this well it happens on this show in about 10 minutes so then um now they're talking about being bitches and uh kelly is like girl you've been hanging out with drew so bad now you're lying angela and angela's like lies baby i sit on these 12s by myself and And Kelly's like, no, you're lying. Standing on the two inches. That's all you've been doing is standing on the two inches. And she's like, no, baby, that's your money. That's your two inches. Not my heels, baby. Jimmy Choo.

49:58Ronnie Karam: They're just, I mean, it's just, it's another, it's like, wow. It's the third hour of every 10 minutes, Angela and Kelly are just going to yell at each other about one having big feet and the other one being broke. But Angela was with. Your feet are big. Oh, yeah. Well, you're short. Oh, yeah, you got huge feet. Oh, yeah, well, you're tiny and broke.

50:20Ben Mandelker: So Kelly's like, are you a big dog? Are you a big dog? She'll say, I am. The Oakleys are up, baby. You better get on a winning team. And Andy's like, ha, ha, ha. He's just loving this. And then Kelly's like, the Oakleys are just like driving around in a 2012 Land Range Rover, Purple Range Rover last season. And then that's what really gets Angela to mention. She's like, bitch, what? That was a 2020. That was a six-year-old car.

50:52Ronnie Karam: Oh, my gosh. And Kelly has, I guess, practiced golden retriever because she just keeps calling her a golden retriever. And it's just like, yeah, and you have new teeth and nowhere to sleep. You broke bitch. Who's a broke bitch? You are. Who's a broke bitch? You moved into Shamia's house because you got evicted. um and he's like okay okay all right all right so good so um they finally andy's like okay jesus and kelly's like make her stop andy and kelly's doing the full-on you know uh firetruck siren now where she's just mandy's like all right stop she's gonna make her stop andy she can't stop and he's like you can't stop either for christ's sake

51:40Ben Mandelker: So then he asked her about the$70 ,000 teeth. Like, why didn't you just like maybe like make a deal with a dentist and get it for like$30 ,000, but the rest towards something like living expenses or something like that. And Kelly's like, who said that he didn't? Well, so then Andy goes, oh, okay. Like, no, it's not an O-okay. It's still$70 ,000 that went to the teeth. It's still, regardless of what Jervis or Jarvis paid on the side to help the family, I still think there's$70 ,000 when you're talking about bankruptcy and you're talking about living expenses and talking about having to move here and there.

52:17Ben Mandelker: And it's constant about how you're living on the margins. I still don't get the$70 ,000 teeth. It's rude to count other people's money. But guess what? I'm rude. So I'm counting your money and I'm saying it's in the wrong place.

52:36Ronnie Karam: I'm going to disagree with you only because it's teeth. And I feel like, look, he could have helped with food. You eat food and you poop it out. Like, what good is that? It's going to keep you alive another day. Okay, great. You pay the electricity bill. It's just due next month. But teeth last forever. Fake ones, you know, like the implants. You can be eating until you're 100 years old with those same teeth. So I feel like if you just had a flashy car.

53:05Ben Mandelker: What's the point of having those teeth? If you don't have the food to eat with them, if you don't have the electricity to brush, use your electronic toothbrush to brush them, you don't have the roof.

53:16Ronnie Karam: You're more likely to get a job with good teeth. You're more likely to get things in life with a nice rack of teeth. Everybody knows it. Dr. Heavenly has been telling us for years. We know it's the truth. I mean, I think at least it's something useful. At least it's not like a fancy car or like a stupid purse, you know, that's$5 ,000.

53:36Ben Mandelker: i mean teeth that's the thing is this she already had teeth i'm gonna just say this right now she already had this was not a homeless not toothless situation she was like this was a toothless not toothless situation like she had teeth she had this is shocking but i think she already could eat the food and do all the things. So I'm just saying I do think it's, I think if she weren't making us through endless scenes of bankruptcy and what about my kids, what are we going to do? I got to find out. And like, it's hard for look, and obviously, by the way, you know, of course, people are allowed to spend their money how they want to, you know?

54:23Ben Mandelker: Like, it's like the like, you could be in financial dire straits, but you want to do something nice for yourself, you're allowed to do nice things for yourself. But I just think in this case, this is a really nice thing to do for yourself. And I think it's cray cray. Personally, I do. You can do the nice thing and I can do the nasty thing, which is judge it.

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