#3511 RHOA S17E20 Part Two: New Teeth and Nowhere to Sleep

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2:44Ronnie Karam: minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one i guess i just give credit for teeth because the smartest grifter we've ever seen on this show was one of the most vile people ever and that's brooks from real housewives of orange county he was just a disgusting character a horrible human being the cancer scammer but i always there's always a part of me that's like well he wasn't the dumbest scammer because he walked away with teeth and that you know you're always that's going to help him for the rest of his life you know some people steal bags of money some steal you know whatever but this man was like you know what i want teeth yeah now he can go on love island

3:29Ben Mandelker: um Andy is like TT from TT from A said Kelly and Shamia the cleanliness of the rooms in Dallas was out of Cynthia's control why make such a huge deal and go so hard and not go to dinner to prove your point so then it's like oh god the rooms were filthy and then Andy's like but why did you go to dinner it's like we couldn't even shower I'm like there were other showers in the estate Wait, like, can we act also like functioning human beings? We've all been in situations where like, oh, no, the shower is not working. Oh, this doesn't work. Can I come use your shower instead? Like, why was that off the table?

4:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, just being divas and trying to get a moment is why they did it. But of course, they'll never say that, you know, and so and of course, they were fine to come to dinner without a shower and being dressed when they saw that they weren't the center of drama. When they saw that there were fights and all this other stuff happening that was really good, they ran right up to the dinner table and sat right down. So that was another fail. You tried for a scene, and it just made you look stupid.

4:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and there's also something so, I don't know. I think there's something so sad. Not sad, but I would have thought it would have been cool if they just were like, I'm just wearing my airplane clothes. my jeans and a t-shirt. I mean, we weren't in a fancy restaurant. And I understand that the topic of getting dressed and looking your best and doing glam is actually a complex, it's a more complex topic than it appears on the surface. And so I'm respecting that. There's a whole thing about that. That's something that we've learned over the years. And so I don't want to just be like, whatever, just like show up, whatever.

5:29Ben Mandelker: But I do think that there is actually an extreme power in showing like I in saying I like the way like I'm good enough. But I know I'm an outsider. I'm not I'm not I'm not in that in those shoes.

5:42Ronnie Karam: It's not like she was in rags and hadn't, you know, had been out for a week and look like crap. They were still wearing their glam and their outfits from the daytime when they were shooting. They were just daytime looks. Right. They didn't have their nighttime looks. And all of that goes to shit anyway because – Because again, they went up there anyway. But because Shamia went on camera – Shamia and Kelly both made a big scene. And Andy asked them, he's like, but why was it okay to sit by the pool if you didn't want to be on TV? And she's like, because we're on a TV show, you guys.

6:14Ben Mandelker: and that's the other thing is they were still being filmed in their clothes down by the down by the pool so like well while i'm while i'm being respectful of like some of the the more complicated and nuanced issues that go of like of glam and why it matters you know for certain people but like i'm just being respectful for that cultural yeah you're talking about yeah

6:40Ronnie Karam: And I understand what you're saying. I just. Yeah.

6:43Ben Mandelker: But what I'm saying is that like in this case, I just I actually feel like it would have been great if they just said, you know, fuck it. We're going to go up there, you know. But I think that they were just trying to have a moment down by the pool.

6:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And that kind of failed. And so she's going back and forth with Cynthia. And Cynthia is, you know, very Cynthia. Just like, well, but I'm talking. No, I'm talking. But I'm talking now. No, but I'm talking. Like, Cynthia's just like, listen, I offered you. Yeah, she's like, I said, if you guys want to stay with me, you can stay in my room. She's like, well, that wasn't until after. And Cynthia just stays so Cynthia through the whole thing. And Shamia is just not going to win it. But, you know, as Shamia keeps losing every fight, it's just getting worse and worse for her. She's more and more miserable, basically.

7:37Ronnie Karam: and Cynthia's like I called them to come clean and I thought they handled it but it wasn't and it wasn't handled and and that's it I mean day two and it is still not handled and she just

7:50Ben Mandelker: just looks kind of like a rich asshole honestly she just she does honestly and they and like Cynthia said we all walked through and no one was like oh wow or no one like pointed out how filthy it was. It was only once they got stuck there that suddenly it got so dirty. But regardless, they still cleaned it up and everything, you know? But ultimately, Cynthia's like, I apologize for the rooms being dirty. Like, Cynthia takes the high road. You can see she's like, this this fucking Shamia, I can't with her anymore. So then, oh, hey, Shamia Borg Mwagi from Atlanta has a question. Cynthia, at what point did you decide you didn't like Shamia?

8:28Ben Mandelker: This was your one question, Shamia. So Cynthia's like, first of all, there was no point that I decided I didn't like Shamia. I'm like, Cynthia, you're being very diplomatic now. It was all over your face all season how much you couldn't stand Shamia anymore. And you know what? I support you because Shamia was a spoiled brat with you. She really was. And my favorite parts of the season were Cynthia lying there just talking about, oh my God, the shot of clock and the twerking and the dancing. Like, Shamia, Cynthia is just over Shamia.

9:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. I wish sometimes Cynthia was just more honest and was like, did you just hear the last segment? Because we went on a trip. She did her best to ruin this trip and be an asshole for TV time. And she's an asshole and she's still being an asshole about it. Like, what do you want from me? and who asked the question your one question is like when did you stop liking me oh shut up just shut up i can't so um then we get to a really sad part where i feel guilty of course because i'm like shut up shimmy then we get to the conversation about the surrogate and the surrogate lost um i don't like saying it like that the the like blame the surrogate i don't like i don't like it

9:47Ben Mandelker: There was a miscarriage. There was a miscarriage. They lost the baby. It's really sad. You know, it's like, it's a nightmare. And I think everyone just really, like, on the stage and at home probably, like, was like, that's just a real, real sad thing to learn about. So then they go on a break. And we see Jarvis backstage complaining about Angela. Angela and then Angela's with Charles and Charles is, you know, saying, you know, females should never put a man's name in their mouth. If you're a real female, whatever that means. She's like, yeah, as much as she talked about you, it's just like, why does she want to talk about you so much?

10:31Ronnie Karam: And he's like, yeah, we'll see Shamia and the whole gang running around like Barry Sanders. She's like, you know what? Bye Charles. Love you. Get out of here.

10:41Ben Mandelker: He cracks his joke and then looks at the camera like, that was funny, right? He's so cute. Just lash right into the camera.

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13:51Ronnie Karam: So then we see Angela's segment about her daughter because she was getting a lot of blowback online. and like, you don't support your gay child. And she's like, give me a break. She came out when she was 12 and we went to get pride cookies. Give me a break, now I know what it takes. Say it again.

14:09Ben Mandelker: Give me a break, now I know what it takes. I wish I knew the rest of it. Give me a break, now I know what it takes.

14:23Ronnie Karam: Okay. You say that and you know that the only thing that pops into my head

14:34Ronnie Karam: that's literally what i'm singing oh it is give me a break i was singing the second trying to make

14:39Ben Mandelker: it to the top i was singing the second you know they had one version the use you're singing the original theme song and i was singing the the the other version that they released afterwards like later on the run which was the less good version but the one that stays in my head

14:56Ronnie Karam: oh mel carter is in heaven right now and she just said stop it

15:06love you now yeah give me a break now i know what it takes

15:17Ben Mandelker: Give me a break.

15:18Ronnie Karam: There's only the OG to me. I'm sorry. I saw Nell Carter as Miss Hannigan in Annie. Wow. I'll never forget that. Nell girls. Nell girls. Imagine if today was Nell Carter's birthday. I can see me.

15:33Ben Mandelker: Imagine if today's... Could you imagine? I'm waiting for the day that we make a pop culture reference and then it turns out like it's that person's birthday. Although I think that actually happened to us with Dinah Manoff once, right? Because Dinah Manoff's birthday is the same as the Krappelin's birthday, which is great.

15:48Ronnie Karam: She's our celebrity mascot, just so you know. Well, the point is, Portia, I mean, Angela supports her gay child, okay? And so, yeah, they talk about that a little bit. And she's like, you know, people don't understand how close I am with her wife. I mean, her wife was living in our home. And so for them to do this in secret, that was a big deal. And he's like, well, why do you want to talk about it to the children? She's like, well, the kids already know. She didn't express it this way. But after kind of it being discussed during the season and hearing how she's talking now, I think part of it's like you're an adult and you need to be the one.

16:29Ronnie Karam: Like if you're going to run away and get married, you need to be an adult and talk to everybody about it. whether you talk to kids or not I mean that's not up to me to decide but I like the ad he was like Portia what do you think about it like Portia's been game for five minutes I know they're like stop that

16:49Ben Mandelker: I am here to announce that the celebrity birthdays of the day among the many but the ones that only matter for today are Steve Guttenberg and Ann Archer whoa

17:06Ronnie Karam: there are others but those are the ones that's together they were probably a lot at a lot of the same parties at the very least those two yeah well they they should at this point um there were others

17:17Ben Mandelker: but those are the only ones i feel like highlighting because um that they match our brand a little bit more okay um but yes uh it is crazy that uh that andy just has like porsha be like the the lesbian representative of the cast right now which is it's just funny that he asks that because um like as a gay person like that happens to us all the time like ben you're a gay person uh what are your thoughts on greg luganus it's like oh i don't know i it's like oh really i don't get

17:51Ronnie Karam: that but no no most people most people just want to know about like you know but but stuff Ronnie's gay who's on the bottom and who's on the top you stick a wiener in the thing no one comes to me for like hey Ronnie there's some shades of gray in this gays in the army issue what do you think do we keep them in or do we ship them out are gays too emotional for the army let's talk about it are they just going to be having sex all over the showers it sounds like that would be an old discussion but it's all new again

18:31Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm, I'm shocked considering that we are a glad recognized podcast. It's been nominated for many media awards by our own gay community over the years. So many times that really is a stick.

18:43Ronnie Karam: That really is a little sticker in your claw or a stick in your craw.

18:46Ben Mandelker: I just think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's like the, like, we're just this, this two gay guys hosting a podcast that the rest of the gay community is like, ew. Yeah. I like fuck off.

19:03Ronnie Karam: I mean, look, I'm a Ross dress for less than old Navy gay.

19:06Ben Mandelker: That's the thing. I think it might be. That's why. No, I look like I'm wearing a t-shirt. I'm just wearing an H &M t-shirt. This is why we don't dress well enough to be honored by glad or not honored, but acknowledged. Just the trash bag.

19:23Ronnie Karam: We're just shooting for a glad commercial at this point. Just one A. Just give us the what. We can't afford two vowels. Just give us the what. That's right. So they talk about this for a little bit. And Cynthia says that, you know, she connected with Angela because she also has a gay child. And they talk about that a little bit. And now that was really good feeling stuff. Gay people, gay acceptance. All right, let's get back to Shamia being a train wreck. Okay, she's been called Shemina, Shemassi, Shalire, Shrumbumfelt. Sha-la-la-la-la, kiss the girl. Yes. You took my advice last reunion to vocalize your feelings, and wow, did you run with it.

20:12Ronnie Karam: God. She's still going.

20:18Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, you know, he's like, did you expect? did you expect to be in the center of so much conflict this year because well in the beginning no um because i thought i was just going to uh win them over with the smooth sound of my my voice but that's when i realized you told me to be more vocal not vocodery so at first it was a little weird because i was like how are you like and then i realized oh vocal

20:45Ronnie Karam: so he's like how does it feel being the center of a lot of conflict basically he's like So, Shamia, pretty much everybody hates you except the people you've given money to up here. How does that feel this year? And she's like, well, you know, I owned my shit from last year. Last year I was fighting with Drew and Angela, and I was wrong, guys. I mean, you've seen my YouTube video, right? So she even did kind of mention the YouTube thing. She's like, I mean, even on the YouTube video, I said sorry. But then I came into this group, and there was an alliance formed. And then they became the lapdog that they were calling me.

21:19Ronnie Karam: because now they have an alliance against me. She's still trying this alliance, alliance. Why are they allowed to have an alliance? So, Phaedra's like, who is they? And she's like, well, they were off. They were off fighting other people's battles. It's the they.

21:38Ben Mandelker: The they, they are. The they. And he's like, well, Pinky and Gay Michelle, you were vocal about the change. Jamiya added a feel to see the change happen. and Pinky's just saying, well, the Shamia that I know, you know, before I was in this group, she was bubbly. She had a big personality. Everyone wants to be around her. She's the life of the party. And then all of a sudden it's like, now it's like, where are you? Like snap out of it. What's going on? So I prayed that after this, whatever that cloud was, it just evaporates.

22:06Ronnie Karam: And Shamia goes, well, you're looking at the other couch. She's like, yeah, you're looking at the cloud. That's the cloud. Referencing the other side of the couch. and Pinky's, Drew's like, wait, we're the clown? And Cynthia said, wait, so everybody over here is the cloud? What does that do?

22:25Ben Mandelker: We're the cloud. And Shamia's like, and that's the unfortunate thing. I started feeling like, damn, you know, I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't. And if I speak up about it, I'm wrong. If I don't speak up about it, I'm a pushover. I'm a lapdog and I'm sweeping it under the rug. It's like, okay, cool. Marsha from Lost the OJ Case says, Shamia, you have beef with everyone on the cast. What responsibility do you have to take for the situation?

22:52Ronnie Karam: She's like, I owned it. And I do own it. When did that start? Which part? So Shamia, Drew's like, she's just looking at her and she goes, what are you looking at, Drew? Are you okay over there? And she's like, I'm just listening to you. And she's like, well, you were giving me a look, so I'm going to tell you. She's like, no, I'm just listening to you. She's like, well, okay. Well, the situation withdrew last year. I asked a question about you and Dennis, and then she said that I said, are you effing Dennis? And that's not how I said it. But there was no accountability, right? That was the first thing.

23:29Ronnie Karam: That's how we kind of got, oh, my God, we're going to relitigate all of this again. Okay, just enough. Just end the reunion. Enough. it's it's shimia talking about the same shit for over and over again it feels like five years

23:44Ben Mandelker: yeah exactly so let me out yes oh so she they they go back and forth about this and shimia saying that she apologized and there's the youtube apology and you know she's like and i said i'm sorry i said i'm sorry here i'm sorry i'm sorry here i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry here i also feel like sometimes when if you've had to say sorry multiple times and the other person still is like not accepting it or whatever like maybe it could be that they want to keep something going but like sometimes you have to look at how you say your sorries because i think if you give a proper apology generally it should work and it should stick and uh like if you've had to say it multiple times and and it's with multiple people that you tell your multiple apologies to and it's not working that's a problem and what doesn't help is when you say i mean how many times do I have to apologize i mean that's never going to work so but that's what how many youtube's do I have to make a whole playlist and then she goes and no one's apologized to me but I've moved on um so Angela's like well yeah you haven't because then you said you said you set up you said you said I set my husband up in the off season you started all this and that and she's like well I said your receipts didn't land and they didn't.

24:58Ben Mandelker: Me and Phaedra, we're not even tight like that, but it didn't land.

25:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now it's Shamia versus Angela because, and Angela was dead ass wrong. I think in that argument with Shamia, that wasn't great. Well, which one, I guess when Angela came in with a bunch of, did you fuck George and all of that stuff? Like that was not great for Angela either. So now they're going back and forth about who's the last, Like who lies about each other? And Angela's, Andy asks, what's the biggest lie you told on camera that you thought nobody would catch? And she's like, well, they're not as big as the ones that you told. And Angela's like, me? What did I tell? She's like, oh, the Falcons, the Hawks.

25:43Ronnie Karam: I'm still wanting you to give me those names. And she's like, well, I can't. She's like, but give me the name. She goes, you gave me a cease and desist. why would I give you the you're saying give me the names and then the minute I give you the name you're gonna sue me and she's like no no no no no and she goes yes you put a hundred thousand dollar amount on the cease and desist and now you're asking me what so I have to give you a hundred thousand dollars and she's like no no the cease and desist says you can't talk about it unless you have proof.

26:14Ben Mandelker: It's like either say the names and prove it or shut up. And so then Andy's like, okay, well, great. So Drew, why did you pretend Terry surprised you with a horse at Shamia's Halloween party? And they just all laugh. And Drew's like, what? Why are you saying that I pretended? Like what? That's crazy. I don't know that man. He's like, well, then who exactly invited him? And so she says Walter did. And Andy like, it's like Walter. And he immediately thinks it's Kenya's Walter. And they even show the original Walter on screen. And she was like, no, but it was her hair guy, Walter. Yeah. It's like the glam guy.

26:56Ronnie Karam: Messy ass, Drew's glam. So then Andy's just asking, like, give them their own show. I can't believe that Andy didn't even know the name. Like that's the name. He's one of the stars of the future spinoff that needs to happen.

27:10Ben Mandelker: sir yeah exactly so then andy asked if drew ever paid back the fine that she may have to pay and drew was like well i will definitely apologize that that happened um you know i was very mortified embarrassed taken aback flabbergasted cringed out i was heberdegiberd i was i was i was like oh I was even a touch. But I just can't pay you.

27:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't think you should have to pay unless you brought the horse.

27:45Ben Mandelker: Or the horse would have to pay. Well, Shamia was actually very happy with the horse should have to pay. Yes, Shamia was happy with the apology. She's like, look, I know what you're going through. I just want the apology. I don't want the money. So Andy's like, okay, so where do you see yourself fitting into this group? And Shamia's like, well, I tried to approach them as best as I could this season. I felt like it went downhill when it was implied that I was the one trying to create the division on this side of the couch. And there's no one on this side that I said anything about. I'm like, oh, come on, Shamia.

28:18Ben Mandelker: I don't believe you didn't talk shit about everyone up there. Come on. Because you're all talking shit about each other. So not like you're the virtual.

28:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was going to say, I wouldn't believe anybody on these shows who said that they didn't talk shit about each other. But that's the whole point of the show. So Portia is saying, well, that's not true. And they go back and forth. And Portia is like, you know, there's a friend who Shamia is friends with. And she told me that she'd gone out with you and a friend. And she didn't specify Kelly because she knows we're on the show. But she said that you were talking about me. Well, who cares, Portia? I mean, duh. Of course she's talking about you. you're talking about her too

28:55Ben Mandelker: so it's back and forth and Shamia's like I have evidence of something that proves that Portia was going to come for me no matter what that I'm the good one Portia's the bad one so this is the evidence Andy reads this paper it's a text message and he's like this is a text message saying from Portia it's going to be hard that you have to go against me to get on the show but love you so be your ass there and then Portia's like, no, that was a reference to a party that Shamia had and she invited an ex of mine. And Shamia's like, well, I was, actually, I did say, and you said, I hope you get what you want.

29:33Ben Mandelker: And Portia's like, no, Andy, what I was trying to bring around was like, back in the day, she started this whole thing of like, talking about my back to the girls years ago and I continued this season. And now they go back and forth

29:43Ronnie Karam: about this. Yeah, but this is not proof or receipts of shit. Shamia's like, oh, and now Part three, I've got the receipts. And the receipt is you were causing drama and inviting somebody that you knew would piss Portia off to get attention on a TV show. We already knew that. What do you think you're proving here? And Cynthia says, yeah, you look better.

30:08Ben Mandelker: Cynthia says, you know, we've had conversations in the past, you know, you know, that Portia wasn't a good friend. Like you have talked about this. and and like also portia says she heard about this happening back in the nini and sheree days

30:22Ronnie Karam: etc and uh basically because is shamia bringing a receipt from the time that nini and sheree were there i'm not even sure um yeah i don't know so cynthia's like well i can't speak for all of them but we have had those conversations shamia and portia's like about your own friend And Shamia's like, you were not a friend. Commercials. Here comes one right now. This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball. Care hard. Cook easy.

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32:35Ronnie Karam: Portia and Shamia have been having problems. Let's have a whole other segment about it. So we get a montage of more Portia versus Shamia. And Andy's so sad about it. And have they even seen each other since production wrapped? Or is this the first time? And Shamia's like, this is the first time. And so Andy's like, Portia, why are you giving me the death stare? She's like, for Christ's sake, dude. How many times do we have to talk about that? It's two years of the same show. thank you thank you portia she's like how many times do i have to relive this

33:12Ben Mandelker: we're not friends and i like that andy goes from being like it's like because we're talking a little bit about what happened this season it goes into the i'm the boss here he's like i have to ask how your mom's reacted to the situation and she's like i'm not speaking on my mom and jamia's like well, I haven't shown my mom the episode, but I talked to her about it. And she was saddened by it. Luckily, she was mainly drunk at the club. It was 1 a.m. So I don't think she remembers much of the conversation.

33:47Ronnie Karam: She was in a bikini business suit at the club.

33:53Ben Mandelker: 12.30 a.m., not 2 a.m. How dare you? So Andy's like, well, it was the first night in Scotland. Everyone agreed not to involve the children. And it seems like bringing up Pilar the next night was the big trigger, you know. And so why bring her up?

34:08Ronnie Karam: But she said that I was telling people that I was hanging out with her daughter. Like, oh, my God, my head. And Cynthia's like, well, you did tell me that. She's like, well, but I wasn't saying it nasty. It's not the point. The point is that Dennis, first of all, was the messy one here going and saying, oh, we can't hang out over here. Portia doesn't want you hanging around the kid anymore, so we can't have our kids playing together. That sucks. And then it got nasty. So they go over that, and Andy says, do the kids have a relationship? And Shamia's like, well, my daughter just saw them at this Toy Story thing.

34:44Ronnie Karam: And Portia's like, do not talk about my daughter. Well, okay, but she saw them at Toy Story. Portia's like, do not talk about my daughter. And she was cordial. Stop talking about my daughter and stop talking about Buzz.

34:57Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, she's like, let's stop talking about the daughter. Let's just, let's not do this. Let's not do this. And then Shamia's like, well, I was asked a question, but okay. And then he goes, well, as a viewer, you two were coexisting in the group. And Cynthia goes, yeah, all hell didn't break loose until we got to Scotland. And I thought they had a really good job of just like being cordial and respectful. And Eddie's like, well, it seemed like Portia was advocating for you with Angela accusation. Remember that? Remember she was being nice to you. and Shamia's like no because I took it that everyone was being quiet like they always are when something's involving me I'm like oh okay

35:35Ronnie Karam: although Angelo was wrong in that situation but it's like come on so then he says Portia stood up for you oh yeah

35:47Ben Mandelker: he says that Portia stood up for her but Shamia just was like no she rejects it Victoria from Grayson said, Portia and Shamia, you two have shared so many of the same friends for years. How are those friendships affected? So Portia says that it's like, oh, it's like it didn't even happen. You know, my friends act like, yeah, like whatever. Like it's not something that we talk about. They just act like it doesn't happen. I'm like, that's because you're the famous one. And so they're not going to get on your bad side. But of course to Shamia, she's like, yeah, I've had, I've gotten conversations with them, with friends.

36:20Ben Mandelker: that things have been said about me in the past I just wasn't privy to.

36:26Ronnie Karam: Okay. And Portia's like, well, that's funny because that sounds verbatim to what Cynthia always says. And, you know, it's more of the same. I can't. So Portia's like, look, this season I wasn't even closed off against Shamia. I was coming in ready to see where it goes. And you don't think that I see that look in Shamia's eyes, the look of longing that she misses the friendship. But sorry, she brought up my mom and my kid. That's it. It's over. That's the end. And Shamia's like, I agree. And, you know, she's right. I have great memories of Portia, but it's over. And I'll always remember the good times.

37:08Ronnie Karam: And he's like, wow, well, I'm glad you're at least reflecting on whatever you're saying. I wasn't really. But, hey, after commercial, we're going to come back. And we're going to talk about Shamia and Portia not being friends anymore. What shocker.

37:28Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, well, answer the lessons that you're going to take away, Phaedra. And Phaedra's like, well, while we've had a lot of division, I think when we have moments of clarity, we move forward. I mean, I know some friendships are definitely fractured beyond repair, but, you know, God can fix anything. and that was like a as generic an answer as possible and by the way when they've had division we have moments of clarity we can move forward literally no um and then drew is like well just

37:57Ronnie Karam: bill kelly that's all i want from phaedra i don't want to hear this like oh it's so peaceful and god you know it's in god's hands now bring in somebody to serve her with a bill that's what i want yeah

38:08Ben Mandelker: by the way i did like when uh k michelle said i think she was actually comforting shumia earlier in the episode. She goes, she says, um, when you're down to nothing, God is up to something. I was like, Oh, that's a, I was like, that was a, that was a fun, fun little thing. I liked that. I'm not even someone who'd like loves. I am not ever someone who's drawn to little spiritual religious moments like that, but I was like, that was a pretty good one of those. That was pretty good. I like that. You know?

38:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I like it. You found a religion on housewives. I'm born again. Yeah. I've become born again. Drew has learned, you know, she gives her a little speech. We've laughed. We've cried. But there was a lot of love. What I learned today is there's perspective. And people aren't just crazy for no reason. You know, there are lots of reasons. But they're still crazy, Andy. So let's have grace. Let's have grace, guys. Let's have grace.

39:07Ben Mandelker: What about you, Biggie Cole? She's like, well, I learned how to be around very powerful women. And we may all have our stuff, but I admire every single person on these couches. Please come to Slutty Vegan. Please help us get out of the hole. Thank you.

39:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Angela's learned that she needs to let things go and stop chasing friendships that are dead. Shumia has learned that they need to all move with loving hearts and, you know, forgive and really move forward. Find the good in people. Cynthia's learned that she needs to clean rooms before she throws a truck. She needs to make sure rooms are cleaned. Yes. Finally, somebody honest. And then this is where Shamia gets up to hug her. Okay, this is where it was. Yeah, Cynthia's like, I've learned to always carry a Swiffer Sweeper in my luggage, just in case someone gets upset about the room. She's like, okay, we can be friends now.

40:10Ben Mandelker: uh kelly has she came into the season literally going through hell and she was able to hold her head up high mainly because she had like a little she has a contraption behind her that that she keeps her upright um so she has an arch made of pearls to keep her head high

40:29Ronnie Karam: okay it's like well i learned a lot let me tell you about this i learned what happened i learned if it happens don't live tweet about it and if you're ever questioning something you need to say to be a plot or not to be a plot. That is the scheme of the plan. Not my vagina. Before I...

40:46Ben Mandelker: Okay, cool, great. Before I get to Porsche, I just want to say let's be mindful of the place that we ended things before we hit the keyboards. You know what I mean? Like Fun Shade, not blow up the bridge shade. I want you to be able to start this season, next season, in this place, and not in a bad place. Okay, everyone? Right? see how you did this this is great right it's like yeah so portia says that she was glad they were all able to talk today and have new beginnings and you know she really thinks that this this group is great but this season was fun as hell to me and we're a sisterhood that's gonna usher in the new housewives of atlanta the next level and we got what we need in the sauce right here it's just like a she's like guys congratulations you're all doing great work thank you for coming on to my show

41:38Ronnie Karam: Yes, as the creator of this show, I would just like to say, it's not just me that works here. It's the caterers. It is the carpet cleaners. It is the lighting hangers. And Andy's like, well, let me just say I had fun like I used to have back in the day. The fuck you talking about? You calling me an old lady? Fuck you, Andy. Come fuck this whole thing. Okay, okay. I just meant this was a really good time. Okay. Well, all's well that ends well, you dumb hooker.

42:12Ben Mandelker: That's right. And that is where the season of Real Housewives of Atlanta comes to a close.

42:19Ronnie Karam: No, that's not where it ends. They actually bring out bagpipe people. Enough. Okay? Bagpipe people. I respect your art. This is too much. You all need to learn some upbeat shit. Is every bagpipe song? Boop. Boop. do you guys know like when the saints go marching in

42:44do you do you

42:49Ronnie Karam: that was it that was our season thank you everybody so much for being here um i'm excited to see what next season brings real quick ben who is going to be fired do you think anybody i don't know

43:02Ben Mandelker: how about uh who will be back because i don't know who will be fired or quit or whatever but the rumor that i saw a rumor online that shamia is not back so we'll have to see if that's actually true yeah what about you back i think they'll all be back but who knows i never get

43:19Ronnie Karam: these ones right i never guess correctly it's hard to say hard to say hard we'll find out yeah uh thanks so much for everybody um thanks to everybody for being here we love you and we'll talk to you next time. Bye!

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