#3522 Below Deck Med S11E13 Part Two: Sink or Swim

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1:53and without further ado let's get right back into the recap hd gives a tour to jeff and this is the main guy and he's just miserable oh he's like we have to stay on the dock and sandy's like yeah guys you know listen it's gonna rain and so we're gonna have to stay on the dock for safety and he goes really is rain something that you what did he say i don't have the direct quote here but he said something like yeah is that something that you you plan for she did it just i don't remember yeah she did it just for you jeff you douchebag why would you schedule us on a rain day

2:36Ben Mandelker: idiot he anytime he spoke he needed to advertise how much you paid or or talk about something and its cost he was just a tacky motherfucker and then um he had his was it his wife or a girlfriend, Cassandra. And I like to call her a GLM, which is that she probably announces everywhere she goes, gays love me. She was hilarious, though. I'm not going to lie. She had enormous fake boobs and then a Terry Hatcher face. And that was enough to say, well, maybe I might love her. I don't know. She may be onto something. I was like, oh, God, she's going to be so obnoxious. And then she was so funny because at first, when she found out it gonna be raining she had this look on her face like oh i see but then the rest of the charter she's like yes the rain we love the rain i mean like she was just happy about everything yeah because i think she was getting drunk with jeff which jeff hates and he's like don't let her drink too much she gets horrible when she's drunk and then he kind of like loki under his breath is berating her the whole time like you're embarrassing me stop it jeff you're so gross Please and to Cassandra I hope it's worth it I mean she ends up getting a hundred thousand dollar necklace During this whole thing which I mean great But is money that Important I mean listen I get it But is it worth Jeff Jeff Seriously Seriously Yeah so Yeah he's like Well the boy is paying for the cabin Why should the girls get it the boys bang so oh this is what jeff says so sandy's like yeah guys you know the weather's real bad and he goes did the weather just come up suddenly that's how weather works jeff have you not seen any of the news over the past week there's been a flash flood at every single part of this globe thank you very much weather happens and it happens fast get over it have you been outside?

4:41Like, have you been in the world, Jeff? She's like, yeah, you know, let me tell you, there's 50 knots of wind out there. Okay. It's a big one. Dame Judi Dench, Blue Diamond Phillips, finally finding each other in the wind castle. It's going to be huge, right? Everybody gather around. But look, we're protected inside the marina. Would you like to go on a little boat, ride something? Maybe like that? You could just go around. You know, it's like, think of it this way. if the whole world was a city around one little tiny cul-de-sac with no houses on it, and we're just going to drive around in a circle around the cul-de-sac.

5:13Does that sound fun, Jeff?

5:16Ben Mandelker: She's like, I don't know. I mean, I have paid for a lot of things because I paid for things because I have money, so I paid for things. Well, I've got the sun, and I've realized how important paying for things is now. Well, maybe a little taste of the water is all it needs, a little rocking and rolling. So they're going to go on a little tender ride. But tender is the night, you know, on a ride. So Jen and Kat are talking. And Jen's like, oh, my God, the primaries fake boobs are insane. Like, I can't stop staring at them. And then they just show, like, a close-up of her chest. And they start getting— You know, I don't like the term fake boobs.

5:55I feel like once I've paid for them, they're mine. Like, do I have a fake middle of my— Are people like, whoa, Ronnie, nice fake middle of your eyebrows? Because I got a little filler put in there one time. It's still mine. I paid for the filler.

6:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they're real boobs. Real boobs. Real boobs. Real stories. Judge Judy. So Joe and Kaylee go off on this tender ride. And Kaylee can see that Joe is feeling sad, especially after Jeff is like, so you're the bosun huh and he's like no just leave that hand so kaylee's like poor joe there's so many times that joe has just like been in my corner when i've been struggling and i just want to be that person for joe he just needs some kindness and probably a little hug and a kiss so he's sitting there moping and she's she's being very nice to him she's like you know sort of cuddling him like it's all right joe you'll be okay poor joe and cassandra's saying what are we gonna do are we gonna like be pissed off and mad jeff no we're not gonna be pissed off and mad right jeff he's like oh it sucks we're unable to go out and now the waves and the wind don't even seem that bad and we're stuck here i paid for everything i i like when sandy decides to show them a lesson or when any or any of them i guess carrie did it too like okay you want to see why we're not not going out there and they go out like five feet and it's all choppy they I guess he's sick.

7:24Ben Mandelker: Barping over the side of the boat. Why? We're all going to die. And that's how it is out there. You still want to go out there? Captain Carey really did the best thing of all of the – and there have been a lot of Captain Good moments on this show. But the best was Captain Carey taking that drunk lady and being like, let's go talk over here. Come on into this room. And then close the door and lock it on her. He is the king of deception. okay so asia calls scott and checks in with him and then um on the tender kaylee is talking to joe and about his emotional state yeah well you this like what's happening with me and jim like we were butting hands but then you know we had to change the situation you can't change that so all you can do is change how you react but also like joe did not get demoted what did he think was actually going to happen from this situation he was temporarily a bosun while nate was out and nate came back so you go back to your old job like did you think that nate was just going to get fired or demoted like why are you sulking so much i think yeah i think it's like somebody goes into the hospital and then they come out and you're like oh you know i was planning your hold of my i think he was planning on on nathan just being out for the whole season you know yeah he well i think he also thought he'd have more time as a bosun and it was only one charter so now joe says migrating back to deck and roll has hit me more than i anticipated it's so important to me to become successful in this industry not only have i got to support myself but my mom's going to go through the cancer treatments and then they show pictures of him with like dorinda medley and i was like what's going on with that and then it turns out that that's his mom i was like oh so he says i'm gonna have to be there and look after her financially this is what it means so why it means so much for me this is my everything do i see the same person and nathan no of course i don't oh please don't make me defend nathan on this episode of all episodes you don't see like please don't like he's throwing no no acting like right now like like my mom has cancer it's more important to me than it is to stop it.

9:38Stop it.

9:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously, stop it. So, meanwhile, while Joe is silking, Cassandra's behind Joe and Kaylee, and she just gets up, and she's like, it's my birthday! Happy birthday to me! Oh, God, please don't get her drunk. She's really unreasonable when she's drunk. And she's like, yeah! you're having fun aren't we Jeff? Hey guess what? I am personally uninjured. Whoa! Cassandra. Unreasonable. Meanwhile, Jen is waiting for the guest to come back and she's holding a tray of champagne and then all of a sudden she just drops them all and so everyone rushes to clean it up and then Jen announces oh, second fucking time this season i have to put a fucking smile on my face because oh no jen's gonna be a bitch again so it turns out that um she went to bali as we all know but uh she went atv right just can't stop paying for things sorry and she crashed into a wall because and since then my wrist has been really fucked up girl so what happened you physically crash into a wall once and then you emotionally crash into them every day after.

11:02I know.

11:03Ben Mandelker: Maybe you get the head checked while you're getting the MRI for the wrists. She's like, oh, my wrist. I can't even move my wrist. It's so bad. Anything is because of the Bali. It's the Bali trip. And then the editors cut in like a clip of her leaning on her wrist. These editors are not letting Jen get away with shit. I love it. so um yeah uh jen is talking about about it and kaylee is like uh she's just really happy to now be doing something low-key like helping joy decorate a cake so they're doing that and max texts sandy with an update he's like captain sandy i'm on my plane she goes okay start at the embassy stay safe okay so but there's no embassy on the plane no once once you land then you go to the embassy okay okay good luck captain sandy i'm leaving you a voice note right now ding please put your seat belts on for the beginning of daddy oh god you just please he's gonna parachute out of that plane it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

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13:55Ben Mandelker: So Nathan speaks to Gail and tells Gail that Joe's been pouting and she's like, well, did he think he was going to be bosun for the rest of the season? It's so unprofessional. and Nathan says, I still feel like I'm getting my feet back under me coming back on board after missing a coming back on board after missing a charter and a half but like I'm taking it easy and spending time with Caden and Gail gave me the motivation to go and do the rest of the season so get a strong woman by your side it's not a speech that aged very well no kidding so then we go to the bridge and we're doing the cocktail class or the bridge deck rather and Aisha's doing the cocktail the porn star martini class and Cassandra goes we both love a porn star he's like oh god stop it let her talk Cassandra it's like yeah both of us love porn star it's like stop it you're embarrassing me I've been in this industry for 10 years so I've got a little experience keeping gets happy when the weather's bad then we got a series of flashbacks and then um uh jeff is still just being he's being somehow a gray cloud amongst a sky of gray clouds and um and asia's like gosh everyone's having a good time except for jeff like what the hell yeah and he's like oh god stop drinking cassandra you're spilling your drink it's so embarrassing and saying i'm not spilling me drink shut the fuck up jeff all right let me just shut the fuck up because you're pissing me off shut up yeah shut up joy is then brings out her pasta press machine and uh she's teaching them how to make pasta and she loves it because she's like yeah i i could distract them and they don't ask me for a million snacks all day yeah so uh cat is setting the dinner table with jen and she and jen's like oh my god my right wrist is so wonky right now bali am i right really rough really rough on the wrist and uh she's like yeah it was an accident in bali and now it's like starting to tweak out again i need to wear my brace bro oh my god i'm gonna look like a robot who wants to see a person in a brace and then um nathan and coop nathan asked coop and joe to bring the tender in and so um while they're bringing it in joe is talking to coop and joe's like i feel a million dollars you know i feel better now because he feels better since basically kaylee gave him a pep talk and told him to buck up a little bit he's like i'm allowed to have a fucking vent he just rips the living life out of me we need manpower well I know I'm not happy about it either but we can only do what we can do other daddy so Nathan comes down and here's Joe talking about him and he's like I feel like just trying to infiltrate other people's minds about me if you want to say something to me just have a pair of bowls and say what you have to say well they can't though Nathan they can't even laugh without you being like oh really what are you laughing about over there?

17:11Say it to me, face.

17:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's the thing. And I would be okay with Nathan complaining about Joe trying to infiltrate people's minds, except for the fact that Nathan is also trying to do the same thing. They're basically trying to find allies. Nathan is the one who texted Max and said, have my back and I'll make you deckhand. And then later on, he tries to get information out of Kaylee. So you're actually just as bad as Joe is. So anyway, we are in the main salon and the guests are doing a fashion show, which is kind of like standard below deck silliness where like the guests are walking down a little runway, even Jeff, and then the stews do a little walk.

17:52Ben Mandelker: It's like fun and wacky and cute for them, less interesting for us. So then they sit down to have dinner and food is being served. everything is delicious and perfect and last you know last charter famously the food was met with mixed a mixed response initially so joy was really hoping for a good charter this time and so everyone seems to be really enjoying their food right now and everything seems to be great and then all of a sudden jeff starts to like choke and lurch and like vomit onto his plate it's so weird because they're like oh my god everything's so good oh my god what if the chef's like really down there and she's like having a you know breakdown or something but everything's coming out perfect and jeff just goes you don't see her you hear a gurgle and then a splat i don't know if they inserted the splat but i was i was horrible it was okay but i've also never rooted for like a piece of duck before in my life with the way that i was like get it get it finish the job duck um so he runs down and you know does what every douchebag self-centered main character shithead does and barfs in a sink right the toilet's right there so is the wastebasket anything anything but the sink out of all the choices out of all the choices at first I thought he was having an allergic reaction but he wasn't he just merely had something went down the wrong pipe and he was obviously fine enough to go running off but like I was so happy about how embarrassing this was for him so he goes off and then he like well yeah I'm doing much better I mean this thing's clogged oh well bro why not the toilet disgusting and one of the guests while he's in the bathroom comes with this plate and they're like yeah jeff just barfed on this plate can we get rid of this it's like yeah but also maybe you're like whoever was next to him you got barf splatter all over your deck do you guys also maybe want to check on jeff maybe i guess that's how you can know sandra barely went down there she was like hey yeah jeff you chef i guess i should go check on check on jeff i haven't got my birthday present yet hey be alright with Jeff you alright Jeff guys love me then poor Kaylee has to go down there with a plunger she has to plug into the sink but of course it's like plungers aren't really made for sinks so everything starts like exploding up it gets on her face it's like ugh it's so vile and then eventually Nathan has to come with like a wet vac and even that splatter it's just it's so much for the stupid douchebag for not puking in the right place I understand it was an urgent moment but like you had enough wherewithal to be able to leave the table and go all the way to that bathroom.

20:49Ben Mandelker: You can just go two inches over to the right and puke in the toilet. Yeah, or two inches the other way and go do it overboard. I guess I would get all over the side of the boat, but still. You could hose that down. Look, everyone barfs, but most people think to barf somewhere where people can clean up after them more easily, you asshole. Yeah, barf with logic, you know? You need to barf with some, like, empathy towards other people. Thank you. Yeah. So it's gross. I had a friend I was out with one night, and she said, oh, yeah, I'm going to barf. And I was like, no. And then she was so sweet, she barfed in her purse.

21:32And I was like, that is – I mean, it was still got everywhere, and it was disgusting and horrible, and I really never want to drive her again, even though this was years and years ago. But she tried. You know what I mean? And I appreciated that effort. Yeah.

21:46Ben Mandelker: You know what I love? I love the pre-barf face that people make when they think that they are fooling us, that they're not about to throw up, where they will not open their mouth, obviously, because they know that they can't. That's too risky. They just sit there with lips closed and they give that little smile and they nod a lot. They do this thing. It's not a normal smile. It's like a, I have puke in my mouth smile. Because they know they're about to puke, they try to look extra proper. They often sit up straight and they go, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I'm like, please just go to the bathroom. Just go to the bathroom and puke.

22:26Ben Mandelker: What is this weird smile? Well, we don't know. I mean, that's one of the fucked up things about being human, you know? And people have so many questions about God, like, or for God. Like, how could you let this happen? Like, when a family member gets sick or when, you know, you're going through whatever, you're going through whatever. And you're like, God, why are there starving children in the world if there's a God? Why would you do this? Mine is simpler. Like, if there's a God, why do we poop? Why do we have boogers? Why do we barf? You know, it's just such a gross part of being alive. It's like one of the worst things.

22:59Like, why? Why are those things so gross? You make so many great things about people because they smell. I mean, they're purposely gross. They smell. I mean, barf has like acid in it. You could burn through a Diet Coke can eventually. Like poo-poo smells and it's poisonous if you get any in you, you know, other than your butt. So, I mean, why? Just why do we? It's just so gross, you know? So, Jeff, yes, you're disgusting and you should have more manners, but also like literally, why God? Yeah.

23:30Ben Mandelker: it really brings up some deep existential questions. So, start with the little things, you know. So Nathan's talking to Sandy after all this. And so he's like, ah, Joe just has an attitude. She's like, well, okay, I care about you both. I think you guys should have a chat. Maybe go, have I done something to you? Or maybe say, would you like a Branzino? Or how about, do you want a hug? And then Branzino. and then maybe afterwards say, and then we can watch wind and then maybe offer, or we could have Branzino afterwards. You know, give him options. See how it goes. When your energy is clean, there's no excuse, okay?

24:12That has to be said. He's like, okay, I guess I'll have a chat with him. Thank you, Captain Sunday. I have a chat.

24:18Ben Mandelker: I mean, I'll ask him a question and when he gives me his honest response, I'll get very steely and cold and confirm all his opinions about me. Okay, great. Yes. so now it's cassandra's birthday cake facing her happy birthday and then jeff gives her a diamond necklace from cartier that was 102 000 yeah he's like that's pretty pricey um so there's more unclogging that is going on for a very long the unclogging thing happens for a very very long time and then um nathan is he tells joe he's like before you go down can we have a wee chat Joe's like, okay, sound. I'll meet you on the boat. Can I have a wee chat?

25:01Ben Mandelker: He's like, what could you possibly want me to want to talk to me about? So Nathan's like, I just want to have this wee chat with you because I want to know if I've done anything or said anything to you that's made you walk around pouting for two days. Well, that's a great way to start the open and honest conversation right there. I mean, you're not wrong, but let's try to be. Yeah, but also, yeah, your behavior on the entire season has been shitty towards both of you. To everybody who's worked for you. So acting like, what have I done to you? Yeah. Say, hey, I feel like there's mounting tension between the two of us.

25:40Ben Mandelker: And I want to know how I've contributed so I can fix what I've done. Like, that's what you say. If you're like a manager trying to fix, not like, have I done anything to make you such a pussy baby? Why are you acting like this? Yes. And Joe's like, well, obviously you're coming back. I put me tail between my legs and I just let you take command. Yeah. Yeah. It's like literally your job. And he's like, well, for one out of respect and not to step on your toes. And he's like, well, the thing is we work together. We're a team. I'm both in your lead deckhand. We need both of our skill sets to maximize the possible outcomes for our team, blah-de-blah.

26:21And that's where I think the confusion is. So that wasn't so bad. And then Joe's like, well, I'm going to say it. Like, you've got to understand. You've got an aggressive nature. You've got a very short temper. And that plays in effect. And that annoyed Cooper. And it's, okay, just stick with yourself. Like, why do you need to bring other people into it? And annoyed me. But we don't feel like we have the chance to even say something because you're so reactive. if? And so Nathan goes, oh, honestly, wow, because I don't get it.

26:51Ben Mandelker: I'm approachable. And he like says this with like this rageful look on his face, like, how dare you say I'm not approachable? It's like, no, just ask Cooper. It's like, okay, I'll have a chat. I'll see. It's like a chat. It's like, yeah, you can go down now. We'll get up at 6am this morning in the morning and take it as it comes. See how we do. I'm like, you are barely controlling your reach right now and your attempt to seem like you're a chill guy is totally approachable. Yeah, totally approachable. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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29:10So, um, Aisha is complimenting the girls. What a wonderful job you've done. It's been amazing. I'm the most amazing. And the guests are off the main salon. You just hear Aisha up there. There's nothing to do with a murder murder. I paid long days, bro.

29:32Well, we still didn't even get water toys. I paid for everything. I got a little free for good weather tomorrow. This sucks.

29:40Ben Mandelker: So then Coop and Nathan meet up. And Nathan's like, so I had to chat with Joel. And he was like, you're very unapproachable and aggressive. And Cooper feels the same way. And Cooper's like, oh, daddy. Well, I hope you feel I welcomed you with open arms, bro. Because obviously you came at me before and it was because you felt disrespected and he's my roommate So of course I got Joe's back because but I got yours too. He's like, well, I have his back as well, man But I want him to snap out of this Oh, but hey, I played football and I have had coaches say some out-of-pocket shit And then I show up the next day and I get right to work.

30:15Ben Mandelker: So don't worry. You're just like an abusive football coach and how unprofessional is it to be like well i just talked to joe and he said that you said that's about me so what do you have to say for yourself like yeah what's so unprofessional jesus just how can i do better or something so could uh nathan's like well he threw your name into the mix as well i don't know if you heard me but you should turn against joe now because he just betrayed you so i wanted to let you know that you know but i don't want the fucking drama which is why I'm trying to start drama between you and Joe. Very professional.

30:52Ben Mandelker: Well, maybe I prefer Joe's method of leading a little bit more, but, you know, I always had my dad as my coach, and he's more of a Nathan-style leader. He's like a real deck daddy, but a real daddy, and he's a strict disciplinarian. One time, I got to practice late, and I had to run laps. Before and after practice, he's my coach, but he's also the one that drew me to practice late.

31:29that was gold and we see you know cooper's being so like telling the sweet story of his dad and being so sweet you know being so nice about it like oh what a great memory of my dad but we see why you're trying to call everybody else in the world your father like what an asshole yeah got

31:46Ben Mandelker: us here late run laps cooper it's not my it's your fault i was late maybe it was by the way maybe it was cooper's fault um so it's day two everyone's waking up and nathan and joe are frosted with each other and um guess what jen's wearing her brace she tells her mom she's gonna wear her brace like mom i don't want you to think that i'm not being successful right now but i will be wearing my brace and this will not stop me from being a purser someday so just letting you know I may be down, but I'm not out. Okay, mother. And then saying to mom, it's like, well, you know, I read on Instagram, waste not, want not already.

32:23Are we done here? Are we done here, Jen? I love that just that little one scene that we got of Jen's mom a couple weeks ago. It's like, mom, I love it. It's like, uh-huh. Well, you know, just treat other people as you want to be treated, Jen. Okay.

32:39Ben Mandelker: What do we think her parents do? I really have this vision of them either like both being like therapists or like one's a one's like a therapist the other is like a high-powered attorney i just have this very new yorky view like uh like a like neurotic new yorky idea of what this family is and i i like love it i kind of got that from how she described her parents that they were like you know perfect really regimented wealthy successful people and i'm I'm not saying that they're not like that, but Jen's mom's attitude was just so much more chill than I thought. You know? Just like giving her Instagram memes, like spiritual Instagram memes and kind of just being like, okay, I need to get this, this aggro chick off the phone with me.

33:27Ben Mandelker: You know? I just sort of see them as like Donald Sutherland and Sokka Channing in Six Degrees of Separation. And like, they've actually wrote that with Jen, with like a handsome, a handsome con artist instead. They're like, Jen, we know you're trying to be more successful than us, but we found Will Smith and he's our son now.

33:48So Sandy gets a text from Norma and Norma's like, whoa, the tech hand I was talking to is available and can join your crew this afternoon. Should I book him? I'm sorry, you'll have to let me know so I can do this before my evening delight and after my afternoon delight, if you know what I mean. Wink, wink, wink, wink, bloop.

34:13Ben Mandelker: I'm not sure if I know what that means. By delight, do you mean a stack of three cakes that you will be eating? Also, here's three laughter emojis to emphasize that I'm laughing at my own joke. Bloop. Bloop. Well, at least you have an emoji to smile back at you. Sandy, because you sure don't make it You sure don't make the crew do that Bloop Well, I guess I don't Make the crew do that because I have no Crew, thanks to you not doing your job Bloop Bloop, well, you've had more people Quitting than I've had people Begging to get into my Bed, wait a minute That didn't really make much sense Unsend, un-Siri, un-Siri Bloop You fell into your own trap, love you, bitch I love you, bitch.

35:02Ben Mandelker: Sad face emoji. Laughter emoji. Hey, you do it too. So, all crew, all crew, I have even more good news for you. Free granola bars and the bridge. And then on top of that, another piece of good news. We'll be receiving our new deck hand. We'll arrive later this afternoon, so leave one granola bar behind for him. Okay, get ready, guys. It'll be a wonderful day. All right. Nathan, Nathan, Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, Nathan, Nathan, get up here. Okay, hey, did you have your conversation with Joe? Why are you whispering? We're all alone in the bridge. Whispering's more fun. Did you have your conversation with Joe?

35:42How did it go?

35:44Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, I just was professional. That's all. Good. Because you have great qualities. Oh, sorry. You have great qualities. You have great qualities. So together, it'll be really great. sorry we have to whisper because we've got to practice for when we surprise the new deckhead he's gonna come on board and he's gonna think it's a ghost ship because he won't see anyone and he'll get up here and go surprise there are humans on board oh i said are you ready for that part you try it now all right let's kill it get out there it's gonna come at three you know it's coming at three it's gonna be great so we go to jen and cat's cabin jen's on the floor she's like my god my wrist is so swollen guess what we're getting a new jack hand today this afternoon is coming it's like oh my god what i need to put on i need i need to get dressed starts like doing her hair and makeup she's like oh my god oh my god there's gonna be someone hot coming on this boat everybody's sheets are fucked everybody's sheets are now it's like damn gross oh my god i'm so excited let me lift up this mattress with my wrists um so then sandy is uh complimenting nathan on a job well done and jeff he fought they're so excited that they're leaving the dock and um uh joe is uh kaylee's asking joe how he's doing and he's like i'm sound considering it's been four weeks of me faking a friendship if it was my choice i'd leave you can leave actually at any moment there's nothing stopping you and honestly i would sort of encourage it at this point yeah so nathan wonders he comes by and hears smack being talked again and he's like what the fuck jesus christ i mean it's talking shit about me again we're gonna have a huge problem so then uh everyone's the crew is eating breakfast and uh so is the staff and jeff's like oh my god everything's amazing and he's just like jeff is happy that's crazy And he asked her how long she's been yawning.

37:49It's been 10 years. And then Kaylee is now on her break and Nathan comes up too in the crew mess. And Nathan's like, can I ask you a question? Has Job been talking shit about me? Tell me what he said. And he's like, I'm talking shit now. I mean, you know, he's complained about work and you're at work. But I mean, not really about you specifically. He's like, really? Because he hasn't talked shit. Are you sure? because i think he's probably been talking shit and you would know so you better tell me if he's talking shit fuck off yeah if i were professional can you be every single scene yeah i'd be like

38:26Ben Mandelker: this is really not appropriate for you to be asking me this i'm in a different department and i don't feel comfortable answering any questions about personal conversations i have with joe and you're not my boss and stop getting aggro and sitting there squinting at me like putting me putting me on trial for something yeah fuck off and then at the end add fuck face it'd be a nice touch really emphasize yeah he's like well if he's got something to say to me he needs to grow a pair of balls well okay what about you okay um yeah so kaylee yeah maybe you You should like to use your words. Words. And also, like, we're not giving Joe a pass.

39:09Ben Mandelker: He is a complete underminer, and he is talking shit. And you did actually confront him about it, and he lied and said that he had no issues, but he still does have issues. So, you know, like, you technically have done the right thing here in certain ways. But also, like, how many times do people have to tell you you have an anger issue before you start to think about maybe ways that you could be doing something differently i mean that's the the joke is the joke is on me because people like this don't ever see it and then they wind up in real life situations like the one he is currently in yeah i mean my my main problem with this is just the poor manipulation skills Like, you know how Joe is going to be.

39:54So let him get worse and worse and get caught talking about, you know, like let him get caught like he did earlier in the episode when Captain Sandy is like, really, you can't take out trash. Let him dig his own grave. You don't have to go around trying to make something happen here. You know, just set Joe up to look stupid. Why do you need it? You don't need to do all this. Like, get better at manipulation. You're a terrible boss. you're a terrible leader so then um jen and kat are doing dishes and jen's like oh my god bro i fucking hate using these egg things because like they need to like soak a lot she's talking about

40:31Ben Mandelker: bring molds egg things and so kat's like i mean i can wash them if you want she's like yeah but then i like don't want to have to carry all this shit because i already dropped a fucking tray because my wrist is so fucking swollen i'm crashing into a wall in bali so kat's like um it's okay I can do it she's like I think that like Jen's wrist does hurt like a little bit and I feel like everyday Jen wakes up and it's like new lore unlocked and it's like really hard to navigate her personality because there's like so much negativity but like so I'm just like trying to be as positive as I can hoping like it will rub off on her but there's like only so much I can do um positivity never runs like rubs off on people especially not people like Jen it actually fuels her negativity yeah So then we go to The swim platform Jeff finally gets to go into the water guys So he's happy and while the guests are Doing their water things Nathan confronts Joe He's like can I ask you something Have you talked smack to the crew about me or not Smock What do you mean Have you talked shit about me or not Just tell me whether you talk shit about me No shit no I mean I could ask the same question to you Like we work together and it seems it's tense and I'm sure you said shit about me and I couldn't give one shit if I'm honest just as long as you're not trying to turn them against me that is definitely not that could be insecurity from your end but nah what insecurities what are you talking about insecurities what it's weird it's weird I don't know but it's weird it's weird you're insecure insecure you like that TV show insecure I stuck to you just say it to my face though whatever you have to say, say it to my face.

42:13He is saying it to your face.

42:16Ben Mandelker: He's literally said everything he said to everybody else to your face. Yeah. It's like, no, I said it yesterday. It was mostly that I can't communicate with you, but I feel I've got my tail between my legs. And that was the issue. Oh, so that's my insecurities. Now, maybe it's your insecurities, and that's why you're thinking that. Maybe it's you. Maybe it's yours. No. You mean on my end? No, no, it's not in my head. Yeah, you're insecure. Yeah, because you're going to have heated moments, and that's overcoming them. You know, I've worked boats since the age of 17, so I know how boats work. Wow.

42:51Ben Mandelker: I've not been chatting shit. Okay, Joe. Joe tells us he hasn't been chatting shit, which is a complete lie. He's like, but if I was chatting shit, I'd say, Nathan, you're a terrible boss. You don't know what you're doing. You're putting a few rounds in the middle. You're putting a few rounds in the middle. I'm the better boss, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut. You just want reaction out of me and you're not going to get it. Like, you're literally giving him a reaction and you are not keeping your mouth shut. Yeah, you're both douchebags. So Coop gets to go pick up the new... Oh, no, sorry. Nathan has to go pick up the new deckhand.

43:25So he's out of this conversation and Coop is overhearing this and he's like, Well, this is just a horrible time to walk in here and be thrown into this shit. and so nathan's like well maybe with someone new we'll get rid of some of this negative energy i can't wait to make whoever whoever it is lead deckhand because i'm sure they deserve it

43:48Ben Mandelker: and uh yeah he goes off and gets the guy and we'll have to see what this person is next week but the saga continues yeah all right everybody well thanks so much for being here great times We will talk to you in a couple days. And just a programming note, we will not be here Monday to do Crappy Hour. So it'll be the following week-ish or something. Okay, we'll announce that later. But thank you so much for being here. And we'll talk to you next time. Bye. Watch what Crappins would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way. It's the Foster and the Furious.

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