#3523 Next Gen NYC S2E011 Part One: Hitting the Slopes

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1:53Well, hello and welcome to Watch With Craphins, a podcast about all the crap we love to talk about on ye old bruvs. I'm Ronnie Karam, and that's Ben Mandelker. Hello. Hello, Ben. How you doing, cute guy? I'm doing great, thanks.

2:14Ben Mandelker: How are you doing? Good. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's Next Gen NYC Day. So that's super fun. We're going to recap that. If you want bonus episodes, we talked about Love Island Reunion and Ladies of London. And this week, those are always good. Ben has a new show on YouTube. Go ahead. Real Housewives of London, not Ladies of London. I'm spieling. Yeah, they really need to fix that. You can't have a Ladies of London and then put on Real Housewives. I was trying to tell my friend, go watch Real Housewives of London. It's really funny. I watched that. That's with the gay guy. No, that's Ladies of London.

2:53Oh. So there's another one? Yes, there's another one. What's it called? Real Housewives of London. So the Ladies of London. No! Just no. Fix it, Bravo. Also bring back Ladies of London. Do them both. Point is, we talked about that. It was super fun. Also, Ben has a new show on YouTube called What's Your Order? And it's where he gets together with other Bravo commentators, or just commentators in general, really funny, talented people. and orders housewives events not orders them but puts them in order so go watch it it's really good

3:30Ben Mandelker: it's killing it it's spaying the internet what is it it goes even beyond the housewives uh this week's episode are ranks the top five summer house cast members of all time so if you have opinions on summer house and you want to feel uh confirmed or enraged then come watch the show and leave your thoughts on who are your top five summer house players of all time the players yeah so go do that if you want these recaps on vidya you can get them for free on youtube as well youtube.com slash watch what crap happens if you want them the day they come out instead of waiting a week that's what you get on patreon along with the videos and ad free listening and all that good stuff today oh also we're going on tour starting october 3rd we open in kansas city and go to Chicago the next day, we will have tickets going on sale September 10th.

4:23That is in one week. Tickets go on sale. You'll be able to find those at our website, which should also be new by then. Hopefully, I'm just saying that so that I'll finish it. I publicly said it, so now I have to finish it. So September 10th, tickets go on sale. Check back. Watch on Crapins.com for that. In the meand time, I'm next gen NYC young people doing young things. Most likely Coke at Charlie's house. Why the hell else is everybody going else to Charlie's house at two in the morning? Is Charlie just a good Coke dealer? And also it explains why no one will stay mad at Charlie.

5:02Ben Mandelker: Why do they, why do they just keep going back to him? Yeah, it does explain why, why no one is mad at him because he just must be providing everything. the the coke maybe he has some like spin thrifts in the fridge that they really like maybe a massage chair he clearly has something that that they are that they're there obviously we know he has a very good bluetooth speaker so that for sure is going to be a draw but yeah they're all going there a lot at two in the morning yeah bluetooth speaker snorting off a bluetooth speaker yeah someone sent me an email or a dm on instagram saying why haven't you mentioned that they're probably going to Charlie's house for Coke.

5:44I just kind of assumed we all assumed that. But yeah, thanks for pointing it out. They're probably going over there for Coke. Also, can we get a better drug? I'm not even judging the Coke. I mean, I loved Coke for a very long time, but God, it's expensive and it really hurts your nose. And the follow-up is really just not worth it. We need a new drug, as Huey Lewis once said. You know what, Huey? i agree with you someone get on that seriously bravo fix the names of ladies of london and real housewives of london get us something better than coke please you know i mean if there's any show

6:18Ben Mandelker: if there's anything that we've learned from this show is that you actually don't need money you don't need fame you don't need no credit card to ride this train yeah but see that all of that was also not true you actually need all three of those things and a good social media account um yeah hughie lewis was kind of a liar but we do need a better drug so um let's get on to this this is season two episode 11 the bunny hill i die on that's a big promise in a title um it's uh Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, you are, someone's going to take a stand this episode. That's what we know. And we begin back in Wyndham, New York.

7:07Oh, but also you're kind of saying someone's going to die. You can't start off a murder mystery and then end it with nobody dying. You know, like someone's going to die. Who's it going to be? And then it's nobody. Not that I want people on this show to die. I just, we also need a better title. Gen Z murder mystery is like, guys, why does anyone have to die?

7:26Ben Mandelker: The mystery could just be that we were on a journey together. Yeah. So I think it works. It's not about the destination. It's about the journey. So we're at this ski trip and we see everybody skiing. And Liam's trying to teach Kendall how to stop on her skis. And I thought, is it going to be Kendall that dies? Because I saw the title of the episode. She didn't. and he's like well I'm a scheme instructor but it's a tough morning so you know I want to do a shred or I just want to shred it's been really difficult you know talking about my love life with Ariana admitting that I loved her but the point is this is the slope and on the slope we shred and so um uh then we see flashbacks of their contentious dinner the night before and Liam is like guys let's fucking send it come on let's shred and then uh the producers like um like so if anyone like you just like base your your mindset is if anyone needs me i'll be on the mountain and he's like yeah i wish but i'm just gonna be on the bunny hill the life of the ski instructor actor amira is skiing with her birkin because she's doing tiktoks while she skis because all of my life is about content do you know what it's like not being even able to escape content for two seconds i can't even ski on a buddy hill i'm sure the people at birkin really loved that seeing their thousands and thousands of dollars work of of craftsmanship uh just being tumbled around on a slope in wyndham new york but that's who should own birkins people who don't even you know people who are so rich that they can just take their birkin skiing that's true that's true It's definitely a flex.

9:19Ben Mandelker: Although, as Dorinda Medley would say, wealth whispers and money screams, and middle class is like, hey, how's it going? That's a new part of it. You didn't hear that part. So now the group goes to lunch, and George is like, walking on snowboard is so demeaning.

9:47Ben Mandelker: the people the the marginalized populations throughout history that have had to walk in snow boots it's maddening yeah we really haven't discussed enough the poor people who had to walk in snow boots i feel like we've come a long way in 2026 but you know we've still got a long way to go guys let's just keep trucking okay kendall and charlie for snowboard awareness another thing we're not talking about enough is like how many food options i have in grocery stores it's insane have you ever tried to wear snow boots into a grocery store to look at all the breadth of food options and they kick you out because you're wearing snow boots it's so demeaning It's so demeaning to be so close to so many options and not be able to partake.

10:44Kendall and Charlie are at opposite ends of the table, and the producer asks Kendall if she's bonded with Charlie. And she's like, no. Have you bonded with anyone? Why are we cutting to Kendall? This is not the way to start an episode.

10:57Ben Mandelker: We have so much Kendall this episode. It's hilarious. So she's like, last night I heard a lot, and I didn't like what I saw. but i i'm like i hate to be like i hate to be a nitpicker but like you heard a lot so you didn't like what you heard it's not that you heard a lot i didn't like what you saw i'm sorry let's be consistent about the things how you consume the information but she goes but what really but what really did not sit well with me was liam this morning he didn't even tell me something was wrong i just saw it on his face and i didn't like what i heard am i doing it wrong I didn't look what I I didn't like what I heard on his face It felt weird The texture of it was weird So we see Liam making breakfast And she's like oh man are you and Ariana Talking till like 6am Are you okay He's like oh I will be okay I will be just concentrate on the pancakes It's difficult Just difficult morning for me I'm just gonna get through it like the actor I am Shred Just going to shred those with the pancake, put a pancake in my mouth and just shred down the slope.

12:10Ben Mandelker: The bunny's hell that is because I'm a ski instructor. I help people. That's what I do. It's my life. I help. I help. So Kendall's telling us that Ariana and Charlie really get along well. She's not saying anything, but she is kind of saying something because they get along really well. Maybe something's going on. Not like what she's smelling. Yeah. So Ariana is thanking Jesus for the amazing food. And Kendall's saying, why is it so many Kendall? Every time I hit another Kendall, I'm not a Kendall hater. I love just. Listen, I love an unnatural reality star. It's actually one of my favorite things.

12:50Ben Mandelker: And like Kendall is like the latest in that mode for me. She does not know what she's doing. She's awkward. She has no screen presence. but like it's one of those things where someone is so bad at it that i then grow to really enjoy their awkwardness um and so that's what kendall is for me and so she's she now they give her this like line from big brother to recite where she goes ariana's the religious one but liam and i really need to have a come to jesus moment right now i was like oh kendall you're better than this you're better than this but if she was on big brother she'd be saying it a lot more loudly she'd be like well she's the one who likes cheese less but we need to have a come to jesus

13:36Ben Mandelker: or she'd do the sing-song version you either scream it on big brother or you say ariana is the religious one but liam and i really need to have a come to jesus moment right now yeah that is literally the worst diary room coaching of all reality tv is on big brother it's like they don't even like they just like yeah just read just see we'll give you a line just say it in the most stilted strange way feel free to either scream it or pretend like you're sort of singing a song as you say it yeah i just imagine like a stage mother like mama rose in the front being like sing it to the raptors honey we can't hear you there's this one girl who's on the season who literally was when i say she was screaming in the confessional she was literally shrieking and screaming because she was very frustrated about something and i was like okay we've gone too far we need to have like a decibel like limit on big brother also by the way big brother is amazing this season it's a top 10 season for me it is so good i'm so glad i'm back damn it of course i couldn't take another season and so i didn't watch it no understandably and i we were talking to somebody from big brother um britney that party we were at last week britney who obviously I love from Big Brother.

14:55I said, how are you doing? She's like, good. A little tired after last night. That was crazy. So what did you do last night? She's like, Big Brother. I was on Big Brother last night. I said, oh, I'm so sorry. It's the first season I'm not watching. I didn't know that you were there. Damn it. And another guy was like, how are you not watching the season? They killed off Rachel. They killed her off in the very first episode. They threw her into a volcano.

15:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't know. It's like the show is working for me. They made some, like, the smallest tweaks, and it, like, has come back to life for me. So I heard that actually last season was really good, but I missed it because the season, I don't know. But, like, I'm happy to say Big Brother is killing it right now. So good. Anyway, that's just where Kendall takes us. Anywhere else but her. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

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17:04Ben Mandelker: So now Shai, they've all gone skiing and now they've all convened for lunch, as you mentioned before, because we have this table situation with Charlie and Kendall. and shy comes over with like a tray but since he's walking in those demeaning snow boots he's like very careful afraid he's gonna trip so he like comes over very slowly and gingerly with his tray and they're like oh my god charlie's like are you dead ass like are you drunk are you drunk bro like literally it's like wait can't us hear what literally how you carrying that tree Dead ass Dead ass He's like, no, I'm just in ski boots, guys They're like, oh my god, your fly's not done So where are Gia and Amira?

17:54And everyone's like, uh, wait a minute Didn't Gia say to wait for her at the top of the mountain? He's like, yeah But that was an hour ago Yeah So you guys were supposed to wait and charlie's like well it would be another kind of stupid it would be another kind of special to like still be sitting up there and then it cuts to them still sitting up there i think so it's

18:16Ben Mandelker: gia this is theresa's daughter i can't i can't explain why amira's just being a nice friend but like gia would be the one where it's like well i can't feel my limbs anymore and they're turning they're turning black from frostbite but i made a promise so i'm gonna sit on top of this mountain until they come. Yeah. If ever there's a reason to roll down a hill, it's that Gia's at the top of it. So I was surprised that Amira was just sitting there. But she was. She was just sitting there. And she's like, oh, my God, my weave. She's like, both of our weaves. Both of them. Okay. So now we go back to the group, and they see Gia coming down finally.

18:59And they're like, whoa, where's Gia's polos? Gia's so good, She doesn't even use her poles, you guys.

19:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She just is like a little cannonball on that slope. Just goes right down. You know, low center of gravity. It's easy. So then they all come in and they're all worried that they're going to be mad at them. But they are actually so self-involved in whatever social media that they're doing at that moment that they just don't even have. They don't even even remember that everyone abandoned them. Amira skiing down doing her makeup at the same time for a tick tock. I love this show. It's so ridiculous. I love Amira. I have to say again, I think Amira is having such a breakout season. Like she is so good.

19:44Ben Mandelker: And this is such a beautiful episode, not beautiful, but like, it was like a, it was a very three dimensional episode for her, which I really appreciated. But I also think that like, this is her star making season for sure. Also, it's kind of funny to think of her just sitting with Gia at the top of the mountain. i feel like amir and gia like have we seen a lot of one-on-one time with those two they seem like they're from different worlds yeah that's what i'm saying roll down the hill what are you doing sitting up there get out get out um so they're like hey uh are you still in one piece amira she's like titty's still intact faith still lethal i made it so ariana is like okay does anybody want an espresso martini like oh no no no no i'm sure i says you sort of express so it's like yeah espresso espresso with an s she's like i'm so sick of pronouncing things in front of you people this was a very important scene to me i was like finally after years and years of enduring this especially on below deck someone on bravo takes a stance and they spelled it on screen this was a lesson this was a lesson to not just the youth of america i would actually say all of america it's espresso not espresso thank you shy for your service it was it was something that's needed to be said on bravo for a really long time and you know that the below deck people probably are not watching this but they need it the most Yeah They're the worst about it Expresso What?

21:14Ben Mandelker: Expresso? Yeah Anyway I was very happy So Ariana goes to get To some expresso And she's at the bar with Liam And they have as much chemistry As always Which is none She's just staring straight ahead And he's like Oh, feeling okay? Hey, what's up there? You know I feel like I'm At a ski lodge because I am at a ski lodge, but I'm like really living the moment and that's really important for an actor to do. How are you feeling? She's like, yeah, I'm having so much fun here. And she says, it's definitely a bit weird right now between me and Liam, like between dinner last night and him telling me this morning at 5 a.m.

21:56Ben Mandelker: that he loved me. He's like, yeah, I mean, look, I think I was just like a little too honest with her. It's one of the problems when you're an actor is that you have to be emotionally honest all the time. So sometimes you wind up just being honest all the time. It's tough. But as Uta Hagen once said, tell her you love her. It's not a direct quote, but I'm pretty sure it is. Thank you, actor. As Uta Hagen once told me, kiss the girl. Kiss the girl. It's a great film. As James Lipton once told me, tell the story about the time you told the girl Oh, you loved her over. Expressive martinis.

22:39So we see them at his family's summer house at Lake George. How many houses does this guy have? They've got this ski one. They've got a Lake George one. They've got their Manhattan apartment. This one? I thought this was his family house.

22:54Ben Mandelker: No, this was, remember, it was an Airbnb. They said he sent everyone the listing. It was a whole thing. Yeah, but I thought it was his parents' Airbnb. I thought, like, the family was listing it. Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that, but what I will say is their Lake George house is huge. Yeah. I wish someone would be emotionally honest about what this listing was. But I think that here's, okay, here's something that I'm going to flag. Was that last week, Liam and Ariana went to Lake George. I'm sorry. Two weekends in a row in upstate New York. That's too much. I have not, all this time, I have not thought that he was love bombing.

23:32Ben Mandelker: but i think the adirondacks and catskills double header we're now heading there we're heading to love bomb territory it's too much oh he's you cannot he's been love bombing from the very beginning he's like you want to come meet my family can i build you a closet it's too much i don't know i do think that like i in all honesty am i gonna go on this tangent i'm gonna do it in all honesty i do think that there's a difference between love bombing versus like having no game and thinking that you're supposed to do grand gestures like as part of wooing a girl and i really do think that he lands more on the side of like this is what they do in the movies so i'm gonna do it too but um like to me a love bomber is someone who like sells you on a promise of the future and all that and uh but that being said two upstate new york weekends in a row for this poor girl.

24:27Ben Mandelker: And it's nothing about upstate New York. It's just like, that's a lot of driving. It's a lot of upstate New York. And so I'm going to say it's moving towards love bombing for me. Yeah. He's giving us some red flags. He's giving up a lot of them. The problem isn't, in his mind, it's not that I said I love you. It's that I was too honest with her. It's too much that you already love somebody. That's what's too much. It's not even that you said it it's that you that you really feel that way it's too much and i i get it's young love and all of that so part of it's just the old in me trying to explain to the young in me like don't do it don't do it ronnie but you know what that's part of it but i'm like afterwards it was last week it was also the fact that he was like i told her i was going to sleep but then she didn't want to come to bed with me either so she just stayed down there and and so he had like they had to have a talk and that gets to be more like uh you just and then he uses the i love you card when he's upset like you've upset me and i love you how could you treat me like this it's red flaggy very very red flaggy this guy it's like i feel like it's like the most like g-rated version of of narcissism we've seen on bravo but like there's definitely like some elements there for sure well he's also just getting started so yeah usually it takes a while for someone on bravo to to ripen so many red flags this is jack's level yeah it's like the end of his first season so um he goes yeah well look i invited ariana to lake george because i like her and it's a big part of who i am so i wanted to see that side of me that huge thousands of square foot side of me and you You know, when we were like George, she really looked at me and she said, I manifested you.

26:20And then you came to life like you're everything I ever wanted. You're my dream. And you're sitting here right in front of me. And I don't know what to do about it. What do I do? I manifested you.

26:29Ben Mandelker: So that's weird too. She was talking about her morning coffee. Okay. You got her a cold brew. And she was like, oh, thank God I manifested this. Relax. You know, he also sort of just comes off as someone who's insecure. Like, to be totally honest, they said last week he's like a 5 '7 actor. like he's i think that he's maybe he's concerned that he's like not like inherently the cool guy so he's got to sort of like front load the the liam experience with like whoa i got a huge house whoa i do this well i built a cabinet like you won't mind that i'm short right so and i'm not saying that's where his only insecurity or if that is even insecure about that i don't i can imagine i love a short king we all love a short king but like i'm just saying i see him as someone who's like insecure and trying to fill voids of what where he think his pun really not intended shortcomings with like but i can offer this instead i can do this instead don't worry so you know well now that you bring up uh that it does it is kind of tom cruisey jumping on the couch you know yeah which is not like i love her i love gady i love her we have to do that jumping up and down on the couch and oprah being like calm down babe you know um that's like tom cruise without the career so um he's like yeah and i'm sitting there looking into your eyes i can see our future like what are we doing because if you're someone's dream like you expect them to chase it You know what I mean?

28:02Oh, yeah. I expect you to chase. And I'm worried. Don't chase.

28:09Ben Mandelker: To quote a credit card slogan, chase what matters. Not sure that you qualify on that. So Ariana says, the situation makes my hands clammy. Because love is a big word. Okay. It's a big word that makes me very, because me clammy heads. I'm not going to lie. my hands like i put them on the wall you're gonna see a print and i was very thrown off by it i obviously did not tell him that i loved him back like i've only said i love you to one person and i truly meant it and it was hudson it was it was it was the man who looked like a troll doll who got his hair wet and then dried afterwards oh we're hudson is this he just can't no no we're saying poor hudson to this guy whatever never oh yeah well i don't think hudson's looks like a troll doll no his hair his hair his hair his hair that hairstyle draws me nuts his little like his little bob his little his little like it looked like his hair whatever walk off with your corduroy pants bro i don't care walk off with your corduroy pants they showed that clip of Hudson saying that to Charlie.

29:23Ben Mandelker: I was cracking up. Yeah. No, I would never make fun of Hudson's looks. It's just, I'm making, but I would make fun of his hairstyle. I think that's very good. Yeah. Well, especially a season one. A season one hair was. It's like an untreated Jodie Foster Bob. Oh, poor Jodie. Well, I'm feeling too many things today. I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know who I am today. You're really feeling things. I'm like. I am. I am. i don't know why i'm in a sensitive place today it's not like reference but to find who's someone i can bobcat goldweed i mean where what can i do to make you get into this hairstyle shading well that that'll do it bobcat for sure yikes so um now ava and shy are flirting awkwardly and she's like i mean at this point with shy like nobody's really addressing what happen in vegas and so we're just like silly and flirty like i don't know it's like confusing so this episode we find out that there is really flirtation from her and i was surprised were you no i wasn't surprised i think eva enjoys attention and shy is giving her attention and you know she's vulnerable you know because her forever love hook he's no longer in the picture hook line and sinker unfortunately so um i think like this was an inevitable path forward so yeah she's into it why not gives us gives the well i mean i think shy is cute and i think he's rich as fuck too and he's nice and he has a brand and stuff so it's not like i don't think he's worthy i just didn't get any vibes i thought her vibe was like ew like shy is nice but he's flirting with me ew but are you that since you're the king of um predicting evil downsides do you think shy is gonna have a wes wilson moment no i mean i don't see that coming but i it took me a good year to see anything with west either so i don't know do you yeah i don't think it's i don't think so because he has like at this point in west's first season even though this is shy's second season him it's really kind of his first uh i think west had ingratiated himself pretty intensely with sierra like he'd already started to like weasel in in a way that shy is not really not being totally successful with i mean there's the stuff with ava but generally the group is weirdly frosty to him and people are suspicious of him and ava flirting with him almost seems like reluctantly and out of boredom and because she has no other options at the moment and it's probably the holidays and she maybe feels a little lonely or something so like his his um his social game is shockingly very off so i think even if he does i don't think he's like ingratiated enough to create a scandal if that makes sense yeah i mean i think if anything with him i see his getting offended at every little thing becoming a bigger deal when you're in a relationship with somebody like that was rude why would you say that how could you what would you say that you know overly sensitive until it makes you crazy but well for for right now until the other shoe drops i really enjoy shy yeah anyone anyone can cheat yeah so um liam is talking about charlie to us he's like yeah i mean charlie doesn't respect me so whatever i'm not gonna give charlie the time of day you know well i mean last night i was the only one calling him out i mean i really wish other people would have maybe called him out.

33:03Get better Coke, Liam. You want people to stand up for you.

33:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, as Henry Gibson would say, it's a doll's house. So he better see himself out. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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35:20Ben Mandelker: So, but Liam says, I'm not going to lie to you. I wish some other people would have said some shit. I wish Amira would have said a little bit more because Charlie's not going to listen to me. So the non-skiing group goes back to the house and Brooks announces that they're actually planning to put together a surprise apreski party to celebrate Ava and Kendall's birthday. So like Ava and Kendall, they've got like, go out of my venue. Yeah. And Riley tells Ava to go take a bath. She's like, yeah, I will. I'm going to use bath bombs. Riley's like, wow, I don't know if I should be proud or scared of my deception skills.

36:05Ben Mandelker: I think it's hilarious that they know Ava will take so long that they can actually build an entire party.

36:14So they're decorating for this party, and Rowan's like, you never know how long the word happy birthday is to tell you to plug up mega balloons that spell happy birthday. This sucks.

36:25Ben Mandelker: Why do I have to do that? um so then uh they're and by the way ava fully is suspicious that there's gonna be a surprise party so she brought like a surprise party look just in case which i think is funny and then brooks is like he's actually doing some manual labor he's actually shoveling snow onto champagne buckets and they're all so impressed like oh my god brooks is actually shoveling something they're like wow he's doing something slightly active Charlie takes Liam aside to talk And Charlie's like, yeah, so I mean, look, I was, you know, I was thinking about what happened last night Like, I mean, like, I guess you were upset So, like, to that end, I do want to be respectful of you Like, Ariana's blossoming, I mean, whatever So, despite me, like, indicating that, like, I didn't care if you were together with her Like, I would just like to now, furthermore today indicate that like i apologize like i have respect for your request or whatever and char and uh whoa the cool guy's talking to me and charl's like you know i i do have respect now he's like whoa i mean i appreciate that and to be honest man i did not expect you to say that you know because as an actor you got to be in the in the present and you can't just be anticipating what the next line is you know i'm saying bro it's what we actors do you know mercy that's it line and charlie's like yeah well i mean i mean on the scale of like jeff was explaining to me that you guys were like exclusive but like i no one told me you were exclusive i mean i was supposed to know you're exclusive it's like flashback last night after we tell charlie telling charlie that they're exclusive ding yeah i mean i was like what i had no idea i wish someone told me he's like no i appreciate that and be honest man i did not expect you to say that you know again living in the moment so the producer asked charlie like what made you change your mind is like charlie says up i mean on the ski lift do you explain to me that they had in fact like become exclusive yeah i would have liked to have known i'm just gonna repeat that information for you guys a little bit so charlie says um yeah probably would have been helpful to like figure out whether you guys have a label you guys have like a label or something you know so that way people like me know whether or not to like go for your girl you know and it's like yeah i mean there's some confusion with it but i think that like one thing that like we agree is like we do like each other a lot we like espresso martinis a lot we love going to lake george and we like spending time with each other on the car on the taconic freeway anything anything to get to upstate new york you know i'm saying so i'm just like being honest with you like it's just like freaking freaking us out a little bit yeah charlie he's like yeah well my conscience is clear you know it's like i i mean if i get with ariana like it's because like she you know She's not in a relationship.

39:11I'm Charlie. Like, I have morals. I don't know where Charlie's coming up with all of this, but it's fun because you know that he's working on something.

39:19Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think that Charlie is low-key a top-tier Bravo villain because he does that thing that the best villains do, which is they will do something hugely villainous, but then they do something, like, wildly sort of self-aware and human afterwards that sort of, like, I'll get angry at him. and then I'll thaw. He thaws me, and then I get angry again. And that is what Ramona does. That's what back in the day in Vanderpump Rules era, before he became, before, not before he became, before we were truly aware of his monstrosity was what Jax was like back in the day where we'd be like, oh, fucking Jax, but then we'd sort of, then he would do something nice.

39:59Ben Mandelker: Like, oh, but Jax, he's an oaf. Like, the best villains on Bravo do have that pattern. And I think Charlie is. The great apologizer. Yeah, he's like in that, he's in that vein. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's a Tamra judge. Tamra is a great example. He said it bad. I didn't even know that I'm saying you were so sorry. I'm so sorry. If it hurt your feelings, I was saying you're an alcoholic. You can't keep a man. What? You know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, very great apologizer. So he's pretty good. And then we go to Gia, Ariana, and Shy. And, of course, Gia. She doesn't have a lot going on. I mean, she tries, you know, she has her boyfriend Christian on the show.

40:42And she's like, how come you don't want to film with me? He's like, we're filming right now. I don't want to talk about this for a hundredth time. So she does try, but it doesn't really work. So she's, you know, doing the other business thing, other people's business thing, which is, I guess, her role on the show. So she's like, yeah, so Charlie was like, are they dating? And I'm like, well, they're not dating, but they're exclusive.

41:10Ben Mandelker: and um gs like charlie charlie is infatuated with ariana and like i also think this is a game for him because like charlie's like let me swarm and get her like it's fuckboy 101 so um charlie we're back to charlie and liam and charlie's like uh but like you're okay with like ariana and i being friends obviously right and liam's like yeah bro i'm cool i'm cool with you guys being friends but I would kind of like it, you know, kind of appreciate, though, maybe some of those like late night things kind of like die down a little bit. You know, bro, that'd be cool. Yeah. Can you not do that? Yeah. Yeah.

41:48It's so I think about late at night. He's like, oh, yeah. I mean, if you guys are doing your thing, she has no business smoking in my house at 2 a.m. I get you. So, like, why is she coming to my house to smoke up at 2 a.m.? Exactly. Exactly, Liam. Totally on the same page. Yeah, I don't get it either.

42:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, let's go skiing, bro. Let's go doing it. and this fucking guy yeah should we read it so they're brought up now uh meanwhile she is like whoa but you also have to understand she just got out of a relationship with hod's uh oh my for christ's sake make your shit talking faster charlie's already back for the slopes they walk right in yeah seriously i mean what's so funny about charlie is that like he has such sway over the group they're all really sort of as much as they can't stand him they are also like all their actions really revolve around him how he's gonna react how he's gonna what he's gonna prove of like etc etc and i think it's just funny because when we moderated that panel charlie was at the end of the sofas just sitting there with sunglasses on like slouched his like legs all the way out like i'm too cool for this and it's just so funny that this guy has this sway over this entire cast and i don't know like i don't know if you felt the same way but i kind of felt like we were parents and I was like oh god our teenager over there just learned about goth music you know it's like yeah but then when we saw the show once we saw the episode it was like the end it was the very end of BravoCon we were the there they were I mean that panel was the final thing of all of BravoCon wasn't it was like yeah it was the final very last panel of the whole thing so So, yeah, I think he was just fucking exhausted, probably, and hung over.

43:33Yeah. So Gio's saying, I'm sure he's really a good guy, guys. Did you see the ski slip scene? Poor guy. Poor Charlie. Poor Charlie. What you gonna do? So Ariana's like, well, if I'm kissing people, I don't want to kiss multiple people. And Gio's like, yeah, because those are whores. And we're not whores. uh kissing multiple people does not make you a whore i don't know what what are you talking about

44:03Ben Mandelker: it's crazy the specter of teresa arrives so um yeah yeah meanwhile charlie's like sitting right over there and so ariana's like the drama queen of the fucking the fucking south is listening over there and she's like no i mean there's nowhere else for me to sit i'm gonna sit here they're like oh god like god sit listen listen douchebag we need you over there get out of here we gotta talk shit about you he's like what why am i a douchebag they're just like laughing and so gia says that she basically she really likes liam um and she says for liam this is so serious he adores ariana and that's where i get scared for my best friend because she wears a heart on her sleeve and i just don't want her to get hurt because hearts are sharp there's like a pointy end and if it's on her sleeve and she wipes her face she'll scratch her face and she'll get hurt Ariana, you need to be single for a little while longer You need to be single You've been with the same person since you were 16 So now the rest of the group heads back into the house And, you know, Liam announces that he's good with Charlie now And then we see that Charlie is texting a video of Shy skiing with his ass out He's sending it to Amira And then Amira's texting with her boyfriend saying everything's fine with Charlie, but it's really hard to overlook everything that's happened with him.

45:28And then we'll see the flashback of Georgia being like, well, Charlie said that Kevin is a gay man. It's not discussed enough.

45:38Ben Mandelker: And so then Amira's saying, this is really problematic, and it's hypocritical of me, because now that... She's saying it's hypocritical of me, because before i probably would always say like problematic things but now once it affects me now i'm upset she goes but now i'm really seeing it with a fresh pair of eyes and i know that he did say all those horrible things and we've been friends for seven years and you've spoken about me that way like that's so sad and charlie i don't think has any idea of how upset i am and now it's time for ava and kendall's surprise everyone gets kiddies uh kazoos sorry because they got caduce and a could could do it's caduce to you well and uh kendall comes down first and i also point out that like they also they hand out um like brooks hands everyone like a kazoo party like noisemaker whatever to everyone in anticipation of the surprise the surprise and then shy just takes it and just blows on it and he's like and then they're like what's shy stop that he's like i'm sorry i mean you put it in my hand i mean i'm gonna blow it like like what like i don't even know i don't even know what to do like i was just trying to be funny i'm not a clown but trying to be like what i don't know what is this thing what's a kazoo what's a part what's a birthday party anyway what huh shy you put it in my hand and i'm gonna blow it i mean if nothing else has ever described my friend friend group but yeah of course shy is the one to blow it of course he is um and also by the way how funny was it that like kendall was the one who came down first instead of ava because the other thing is they never even bothered to come up with a plan to make sure both girls come at the same time so um they kendall arrives first and the reason why i think it's funny to me is that like clearly this party is more for ava so i just assumed ava would be out first like oh my god Thank you guys.

47:38Ben Mandelker: And then Kendall would like drift into the party and be like, oh yeah, you too, Kendall. Happy birthday. So the fact that she was the one who took like the star making moment of surprise was very shocking to me. Because it's Kendall. Yeah, you can't even get upset about the kazoos being blown too early because they were all blowing them for Kendall. So Ava heard all of that. And they were like, well, she said, did I miss it? And they're like, well, do you want to go down? She's like, no, I'll get my own entrance. Just give it a minute. Thanks. so they she comes out and she's so surprised and there's a dj there she's like oh my god how did we get a dj brooks is like i have my ways and then it just cuts to the dj it says production assistant yeah um uh so uh kendall and liam go upstairs have a chat and so she goes hi um i just want to check on you because like this morning you didn't really want to chat he's like yeah i mean you or I did her like that was fucking weird right like I mean I was hurt last night like by Ariana but Charlie came up to me today on the mountain and we had a talk like a real intense talk you know it's like Pacino and De Niro and heat you know what I'm saying man no yeah well anyway it's an actor thing and it was it was pretty deep so things are cool with him now she's like where does Charlie even stand like his frontal lobe fully developed within 24 hours something's fish she okay but like you and ariana like you don't have a title but you've been serious and you're not official but you're engaged so like look i really love ariana like really seriously but you're my best friend and i don't think you should be treated that way by anyone i mean charlie in the car saying i feel like ariana does want to me he kept saying that he said it over and over he's like yeah but i get it like they're friends they have a weird banter you know what i mean it's like um yeah i don't know yeah it's not just a friend banter i don't think kendall's like he needs to learn boundaries like me with personality and like still in my in my head i'm like why is she letting him feel that way well no kendall now this is where i'm going to disagree with Kendall.

49:59Ben Mandelker: I don't think you can blame Ariana for Charlie being an asshole. In fact, Charlie is the sort of person that the more you tell him no, the more he's going to do it. So I think the attention should be put on Charlie that he should learn some boundaries, and he should have some respect for some people. It should be. I guess if this conversation came a little later, I would get it because Ariana's like, oh my God, this is like moving so fast. We're spending Christmas together. What? Like, what? That is kind of mixed message-y, but... Everyone should... These guys just, as I would say, holistically, these men all need to work on their boundaries and their maturity.

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