#3524 Next Gen NYC S2E011 Part Two: Hitting the Slopes

0:00Ben Mandelker: Hi, it's Mark Bittman from the podcast Food with Mark Bittman. It's back to school time, which means many of us are going to be busier than ever. But from getting out the door in the morning to enjoying delicious meals together at the end of the day, Whole Foods Market can help with convenient options and delivery. Plus, because it's Whole Foods Market, you can feel good about the quality of the ingredients. Shop back to school must-haves at Whole Foods Market in-store or online.

0:31Ronnie Karam: This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball. Care hard. Cook easy.

0:37Ben Mandelker: I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night, and I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal. A turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. where every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime, and the more you do it, the happier you are.

1:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Butterball Turkey is made for everyday moments that bring people together with ease, and it tastes great while doing it.

1:13Ben Mandelker: Do you think if a Butterball Turkey showed up at the Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion, it could bring everyone back together?

1:19Ronnie Karam: Maybe it would, girly. Maybe it would.

1:23Ben Mandelker: I love a turkey.

1:24Ronnie Karam: Butterball simplifies cooking so you can focus on who you're cooking for. Butterball has turkey made for the way you care,

1:31Ben Mandelker: whether you're cooking for your best friend or mending bridges with your frenemy.

1:35Ronnie Karam: Butterball. Care hard, cook easy.

1:53Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

2:23Ben Mandelker: Um, they were, they, they went down to Atlantic city. They're upstairs. Where were you guys? So Ava's like, do you guys want to tell us what the conversation was? Uh, first time anyone has asked that about a Liam and Kendall conversation. I'd like to add.

2:41Ronnie Karam: And Ariana's like, hello, I'm in the room. Jeez. And Kendall's like, I'm a vault. They can try and get anything out of me, but I'm a vault. Yes. We are aware. So Ariana has anxiety because she knows they were talking about her. I'm climbing. And now Liam, actor, filmmaker, is making steaks. I'm basically a chef, too. I'm a firefighter, actor. I auditioned for the air. Nature, wildlife, preserver, cabin owner, and chef. Pretty much a chef.

3:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm actually really good friends with Jeremy Allen White. We auditioned together for the Bruce Springsteen movie. And I was like, bro, born in the USA, right? and he's like born to ride. And I was like, I don't get it. But he got the role. I didn't. I don't know why. But he's a cool guy. He taught me some cooking tricks from Chicago, his Chicago restaurant that he does. And like, I'm basically, I'm basically part chef, part actual bear now. So it's pretty cool. It's just the actor's life.

3:41Ronnie Karam: You know what's crazy is that I've become a chef, but I've also become a quesadilla. So wrap your brain around that one.

3:49Ben Mandelker: I don't know how it happened. How would you feel? You know what they say? you are what you eat. But when you're an actor, it's you are what you feel. And I feel a case of these. You know what I'm saying?

3:59Ronnie Karam: When you're an actor, you eat what you are.

4:03Ben Mandelker: You ever see Bradley Cooper in that movie about Anthony Bourdain? It was a TV show maybe perhaps. I don't know. Sometimes I get them confused. It's all storytelling to me. But yeah, he was great. I auditioned for that too. I think I was maybe seven years old. But I think I had a good shot. I learned a lot from Coop. A lot. anyway cooking am i right so charlie is telling georgia that he made up with uh liam he's like

4:30Ronnie Karam: yeah i was like i feel your situation like i i mean i get it i mean whether exclusive or not i don't know maybe someone should tell me at some point they'll figure it out and georgia says yeah well someone needs to try and like hook up with liam like see what happens like

4:48Ben Mandelker: so georgia is um georgia's like shy i feel like there's like a lot of things that you mistake as like malice when they simply just like aren't he's like um if you're referring to your comment last night like everyone thinks it's harsh it's like yeah but like i was trying to give you a compliment that you're funny and yeah because he just got offended because they were like oh

5:12Ronnie Karam: Ava needs to try and seduce Liam and Gia was like, uh-uh, I would go into a downward spiral. And he's like, we're not friends enough to poke fun, you guys. Okay. So they're like, come on. Georgia says, I was just calling you a clown. That's because you're funny. And he's like, that's not a compliment. And Georgia goes, yeah, okay. But like, gesture though, like gesture. He's like, that's even worse. And then we get one of two scenes right in a row where people are like, wow, I'm really proud of being an idiot. And this one is Gia. And she's like, what even is a gesture? Like, I forgot. Don't look it up on my phone right now.

5:49Ronnie Karam: Gesture. When somebody makes, like, a gesture while they're talking, like, with their arms. Wait, am I a gesture? What? What is he mad about?

6:01Ben Mandelker: I'm confused. I think she was serious. So then Gia's like, will you like the entertainer of your family in a way and i was like i mean i was like the younger sibling like humor was my easy way out so george is like wait so the tragic backstory is you wanted to be like liked more by your the people around you he's like no no it's not tragic i just used humor so people would like me and those people were around me yeah okay but like you're also the

6:34Ronnie Karam: person that like goes on the mountain and then pulls your pants down so we see that he did this

6:41Ben Mandelker: he like mooned everyone and george's like well i'm just trying to have fun look i'm just like trying to like make people laugh like a clown yeah so the george tells us i've always made people laugh from a very young age i've made people laugh this is like what has been this is

6:59Ronnie Karam: what this has all been about the last couple days like it's just like annoying yeah so um charlie's like listen man to a certain extent you can control how people treat you like like you just control what you tolerate you know what i mean and like this conversation is already demanding more respect from people around you so good on you bro good on you and we just hear foot bump brooks is walking behind them and just trips staring at his phone he's like uh he just looks around to see if they saw him they're like are you okay over there he's like uh sorry

7:35Ben Mandelker: brooks his best moment of the season because they're having this like serious talk about demanding respect from others and like and and like you whatever personal boundaries and then brooks just like just as like careening forward in the background it's amazing demand respect himself brooks it's like sorry by the way that i have a smoker's laugh today getting over a cold for people so they're asking everybody yeah they'll just assume it's me so i'm over here

8:05Ronnie Karam: actually like vaping my face off so they um they're saying okay what are the highs and lows of the trip and brooks is like my high was like everybody's supporting my brand today like and just kind of stayed quiet and he goes my socks like oh right right your socks that was great

8:25Ben Mandelker: that was great you like literally gave everyone a pair of socks and like thank you for supporting

8:31Ronnie Karam: my brand like you gave him free socks that was my high everybody's supporting my brand yeah and he's doing a pop-up plus his heart he so he's doing it he says that he's doing a pop-up

8:45Ben Mandelker: on Friday. And he's like, so I probably shouldn't be on this trip right now because the Brooks Marks Resort Collection, BMRC, launches in three days and we have to get the imagery finalized and have to coordinate the delivery. And we don't have any of the merchandise in the venue yet. I'm wondering what finalized the imagery is going to entail because I can't imagine photos of frigid models crossing a New York City street in your resort wear is going to really move the product the way you intend. So I'm wondering what they have to do to make that a solid marketing image.

9:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know. Well, we saw the website, so it's pretty much what you see there. It's a few hoodies. People are giving it a lot of shit for being too basic and uninteresting and stuff. I mean, that's what young people like to wear. My nieces both are like, You know what I just got? I just spent$100. And they're like sweat shorts, you know, and a tank top. Like, this is amazing. I don't know. I think it's pretty on trend stuff. His dad came out and stood up for him today. He's like, gosh, this is so unfair to come after Brooksie. Let me explain to you what Brooks did. He revolutionized a new thing called Light Terry TM.

10:10Ronnie Karam: That is not even Terry Cloth. It is a light version of Terry Cloth. He's invented a whole, he's cornered a whole new market. Okay. A whole new kind of Terry.

10:23Ben Mandelker: Terry, no. That is nice. Seth, that was nice of Seth to stand up for the Terry Light. I would not be opposed to getting a Brooks Marks sweatshirt suit. I think that's fine. I actually don't have any problem with his resort wear. I just think his decision to market it by photographing his castmates, like on a freezing cold December day, as they like waft across a street amidst traffic, just felt like maybe it wasn't achieving what the brand is trying to do. But who am I to speak? What am I? resort where old december shoot outdoors legend sorry girl sorry for being a legend all right

11:10Ronnie Karam: i did buy a very light it wasn't called terry light but i bought a terry cloth shirt just yesterday from i think old navy or something and it was very very thin and i bought it in honor of brooks it's like this is terry light so i don't know it's already out there but he did come up with a new name for it so that's good um so georgia announced it she's like my highest like skin again because like this used to actually be like kind of a big part of my life and then my low is charlie charlie clogging the toilet oh yeah here's a great anecdote uh and so uh she says that basically

11:50Ben Mandelker: charlie like blew his nose and clogged the toilet and it's well i use toilet paper she's like and And then they're like, how much did you use? He's like, well, I mean, I just blew my nose. And so Georgia unclogged the toilet with her hand, which is really not good for her lore, I would say.

12:10Ronnie Karam: It just gave Riley another season. Riley's like, no, what? It's like, it was an emergency, okay? Like, when I lived with him, like, all he does is put things in the toilet that don't flush. It's like a thing that he does. I don't know. That also tracks. Leave it up to Georgia to make a story that's supposed to be gross about Charlie be gross about her. Now everybody's gross about Georgia again.

12:35Ben Mandelker: And then Rowan's like, he should put his ego in the toilet. That won't flush. Okay. So Shai announces that he himself is also doing a pop-up. And he wants everyone to come. And he's excited for that. And so then we see Ava and Charlie talking, asking about any work stuff coming up and everything. And Charlie is saying that he and Omar are going to be opening up a spot soon, which then opens the door to renewed discussion about whether or not he and Omar have stolen Georgia's bowling alley bar concept, which, by the way, is not original to Georgia. No.

13:20Ronnie Karam: At the people's angle, maybe. the brutalist yeah but i mean lucky strike's been around for a zillion years yeah so uh she's like yeah but you guys were like stealing my creative he's like no we're not we're not stealing your what are you talking about we're not doing anything with bowling she's like yeah but there was other things other than bowling that steal my creative like one time i went to a grocery store and i was like there's so many products here and then another grocery store copied that idea and i went to another grocery store and they had a lot of products and that's why i'm suing that grocery store i came up with that he's like no you didn't okay multiple clubs okay tell me what are your ideas she's like well it's multiple floors three stories and then the third story is like members only he's like three stories that's not yours and members clubs are not yours like oh okay well now that i understand that you're not copying me like, I totally want to get along now.

14:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, sorry. I didn't really understand. You're not stealing my creative."

14:24Ben Mandelker: He's like, the only thing that you could realistically claim intellectual ownership of is the concept of a bowling alley bar. She's like, oh, okay. As long as you don't have to wear snow boots, then that's fine, because I don't want any of the customers to feel demeaned. So then she's like, oh, okay. Okay, well, I didn't realize that. I was, you know, that's too bad.

14:47Ronnie Karam: It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball, care hard, cook easy.

15:00Ben Mandelker: I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night, and I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal, a turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. Every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime, and the more you do it, the happier you are.

15:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Butterball Turkey is made for everyday moments that bring people together with ease, and it tastes great while doing it.

15:36Ben Mandelker: Do you think if a Butterball turkey showed up at the Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion, it could bring everyone back together?

15:42Ronnie Karam: Maybe it would, girly. Maybe it would.

15:46Ben Mandelker: I love a turkey.

15:47Ronnie Karam: Butterball simplifies cooking so you can focus on who you're cooking for. Butterball has turkey made for the way you care, whether you're cooking for your best friend or mending bridges with your frenemy. Butterball. Care hard, cook easy.

16:03Ben Mandelker: Hi, it's Mark Bittman from the podcast Food with Mark Bittman. It's back to school time, which means many of us are going to be busier than ever. But from getting out the door in the morning to enjoying delicious meals together at the end of the day, Whole Foods Market can help with convenient options and delivery. Plus, because it's Whole Foods Market, you can feel good about the quality of the ingredients. Shop back-to-school must-haves at Whole Foods Market in-store or online.

16:38Ben Mandelker: Georgia, I'm going to side with Charlie on this one, which is that if she had actually just listened to him, she would not have been so fierce. I mean, obviously, I don't actually think she was really mad about the concept of the bar. She just was mad that Charlie was working with Omar because Omar is her ex. And it's like a very annoying thing to have like a friend of her, someone in your circle, actively go into business and pursue a relationship with someone that you just got out of relationship with. And I think that's probably what drew like drove her frustration. But also like it's crazy that she just never even knew this is the only overlap in the entire concept.

17:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she wasn't mad about the concept. She was mad that he stole her investor. which, you know, fair. So she forgives him, and Amira's like, what the fuck? Like, I feel like a pawn. Now she just caused this humongous fucking car crash, and now she's just walking away unscathed. Like, what the hell? And now she's just moving it on. She's moving on, rather. So she's like, I'm left with the collateral damage of this stupid petty fight.

17:45Ben Mandelker: She is, and that does suck. Although I think it's probably good that Amira knew what Charlie said, even though it's a hurtful thing, and like it sucks and their friendship is fractured by it like it's probably for the best but it does suck when like two people are like in just like this the biggest fight of all time and then you get dragged into it and then they're they're fine and you're the one left you know in

18:06Ronnie Karam: shambles and no one's gonna check on you after that yeah so now ariana's like oh well is my ex investing with you too and he's like oh oh what what actually like i'll talk to him about it Actually, yeah, I'll talk. I mean, no, not yet. But he could. He could. Like Hudson. Return of Hudson. And Gia says, I don't think Hudson's on for a time. He's like, well, I mean, I want him to, but I don't think he would. I mean, I said, Hudson, I want so badly for you to take control of how this narrative plays out. You know, come to Thanksgiving, do whatever. But I don't know. I don't know. He earned the right.

18:44Ronnie Karam: I was like, don't go down like a bitch.

18:47Ben Mandelker: And then Riley's like, can we be real, though? you said to his face, let's go around the corner, and he did not do anything. And we see a clip of them getting into that almost fight last year when they were like, let's go to the back alley and exchange fisticuffs. And basically how Charlie invited him to a fight and Hudson did nothing about it. So Riley's like, it's not a real man thing. You know Hudson will not do anything. Which, by the way, I don't like the real man thing. It's like, oh, a real man will go and get into a fight. that's what a real man does i'm like i think actually i hate the idea of equating masculinity with getting into a stupid back alley fight honestly well i mean i don't yeah i i agree

19:32Ronnie Karam: with you but i i don't really have masculinity and i don't fight so i don't know i don't really

19:37Ben Mandelker: correlate well also let's not forget who let's not forget who candy like how candy's ex died

19:43Ronnie Karam: okay let's not forget that either geez way to bring it down i'm just saying don't don't like

19:50Ben Mandelker: don't start promoting that real men go punch each other in an alley real men don't even get into the situation in the first place that's what i say but that being said yes i agree though had someone do anything about it

20:05Ronnie Karam: well hudson could do something about it but he could do like buy your entire block and then sell it to you know someone else and have you evicted like he could do something like that he'll explode a lamb yeah i don't know near your car cause i guess it's like toxic shit to be like yeah real man with fire so then amira is uh talking about how you know well she basically tells us she gets upset and leaves the table well not upset but she's annoyed so she leaves the table and she says that charlie said problematic shit and if georgia was so upset about it then why would she be buddy buddy right away with him again that's a great so then liam

20:48Ben Mandelker: that's a great point like if georgia was so bothered by what charlie had said enough that she felt like she needed to tell amira then like that should still that should still hang over you

21:02Ronnie Karam: um she wasn't bothered she was just saying it because amira was she didn't want amira to be team charlie she was trying to get everybody against charlie and who was still team charlie i mean we we know that but so then uh liam is uh talking to ariana and he's like well last night was like well like well so like what are you guys you know what i mean like are you exclusive or whatever like people are asking and like i thought we had a conversation about what was going on remember that it was a huge house on a lake a lake named after a person his name was george she's like uh yeah but that was uncomfortable like i just learned that expresso is not real

21:42Ben Mandelker: so give me a minute listen i know i don't have to worry about fucking charlie but that whole charlie situation but that situation did it's just like it's like it's not that it broke my trust but it just made me a little bit like cautious with my trust are you talking about your emotional trust or you're talking about your trust fund i don't know what to be honest it's a little bit of both a little bit of both. It's like, well, look, I won't go to Charlie's to go smoke a joint at two in the morning anymore. Okay, because like past relationships, none of them ever started like this. I don't know.

22:13Ben Mandelker: Like when you're an actor, you don't normally have this much of a tricky ride with a hot young bird.

22:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but this relationship, you're starting with someone who's kind of the star of a TV show that you just got cast on that you're chasing kind of for that reason. And she just broke up with someone five minutes ago that you also know, and you didn't care about that. So I don't know. I don't really feel for it. I'm not like a Liam hater. I just, this is too much. He's too much.

22:42Ben Mandelker: That's my issue with him. And I don't, it's not like, I'm not saying that he's fake, which sounds like that. Like, how could they be, they seem intertwined. I feel like he's not authentically himself. He's very actorly in that way. I feel like he is presenting a persona that he has cultivated and I think there's like a little bit of a block there and I think actually everyone can pick up on it in some way.

23:08Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, I don't want to jump the gun here. Like if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And there doesn't need to be like a label on anything, okay? I'm not afraid of labels, by the way.

23:20Ben Mandelker: Not afraid of labels. Like, for instance, NR stands for not rated, which is what career I got my short film. Submitting it to Sundance on Monday.

23:30Ronnie Karam: it's my deadline for waiting to hear about submissions or something. So Amira's crying in the bathroom and then pulls Charlie aside. She doesn't want the group into it. So she tells him, you know, I just want to talk to you alone. And she tells him she can't get out of her head because of everything that happened earlier. And he's like today, like, did I even do anything? Like I didn't do anything today. She's like, no, not today. earlier, you know, I know you want to move on and you joke around, but I can't let it go. And so she starts crying, like legit crying. And I say that because it's, it's Bravo.

24:06Ronnie Karam: And there are actual tears, you know, like I'm looking.

24:09Ben Mandelker: This was a, I think this is a very, this is a very emotionally honest scene. I actually thought it was a very, it was a heartbreaking scene because Amira is fundamentally hurt by this as she should be. and it's really hard and um i do believe that charlie was just going for an easy joke and he just sort of said it sort of flippantly but like it's serious that's a that's like that's a that's a that's the sort of thing you don't say flippantly in that in this context you know and um he really hurt his one of his really close friends and i think he's registering that and and so you sort of see someone realizing how they really fucked up seeing someone who can't just laugh it off or excuse it.

24:56Ben Mandelker: It really affects them in a deep way. And it was like, it was like heartbreaking to see these two have to sort of grapple with it. But there was also handled so maturely. It was like, I love you. I still want you to be a friend, but I need to have like a moment to heal. Because if you keep sending me memes, if you send me jokes, like everything is fine, like I'm just gonna become resentful and that's gonna torch our friendship so i need to step away and i was like i thought it was a lovely scene honestly yeah

25:25Ronnie Karam: yeah she's a sweetheart and he's like uh i mean i'm i'm like so sorry like i i i don't really know what to say she's like no you don't need to be sorry there's nothing to really do i'm just telling you where i'm at and so he's like you know i would be devastated if we lost our friendship and i hope you can forgive me i really love you and um they hug and she's like okay bye Yeah.

25:50Ben Mandelker: Although he keeps on saying this one thing that sort of like didn't land for me as nicely as I think he was trying it to. He kept on saying, I hate seeing a girl cry. I hate making a girl cry. And that's fine. But I feel like it's like you should hate that you hurt your friend fundamentally, not that you made a girl cry. You know, I sort of wish he had taken it to that place instead.

26:13Ronnie Karam: yeah charlie's always kind of thinking of the reaction from other people you know what i mean it's like oh now i've made a girl cry you know instead of he is as like wow i deeply hurt a

26:24Ben Mandelker: friend yeah yeah he doesn't want like oh no he doesn't want people to hate him actually as much as he acts like he doesn't care he actually really doesn't want people to hate him and so i i feel like his focus is on that reaction and not like, oh, I did something so deeply hurtful. But I do believe, he seems to me, believe it or not, I hate to give a villain or someone who I just compared to Jax Taylor earlier, I hate to give him this sort of thing, but I do feel like he's contrite and but I don't know.

26:55Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, he's contrite, but again, he's someone who has to apologize 10 times a day. So he's used to doing some apologies. At some point, it's just like someone pulling out there you know so now um the next day people are getting ready to leave and it's snowing and um let's see it's still a lot of just people so gee it's like i'm going like i'm gonna get an suv tonight because like i gotta go to turks and kegos does anyone wanna come and everyone's like

27:28Ben Mandelker: yep but this time bye let's hit it yep bye and so georgia is in that car with charlie and g etc and so basically georgia leaves with charlie the night before and the producer's like this is the second time you start a trip fighting with charlie and left the trip together she's like i mean i don't know like we go on a trip and we hate each other but then like i don't know history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, which please tell me she did not invent that because that was so profound to me. And I was like, I cannot credit this to Georgia. Please tell me that she, she, she cribbed that from somewhere.

28:05Ronnie Karam: History does repeat itself though. Isn't that the saying? Oh, the saying is to repeat itself. Okay.

28:12Ben Mandelker: Good, good news, everyone. Good news. Uh, the, okay. People, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. is a quote and it has been often i think i'm trying to find out is it so it's mark twain yeah so there you go but i think that uh history i knew it wasn't george wait by the way mark twain here's here's here's the lesson that i'm getting out of today's podcast you guys so i heard this really profound statement on next gen new york city and i thought it was Georgia turns out it was Mark Twain. Yeah. Never the Twain. That's what the shit does to your brain. Yeah. I think we skipped the...

29:02Ben Mandelker: It's like the misattribution of all misattributions.

29:03Ronnie Karam: I forgot to talk about right after Gia, speaking of dummies, was like, oh my God, what is gesture? Didn't Brooks say a thing after that? Like, well, the Vatican wasn't built in a day? What was it? The Vatican? What was it built in a day?

29:22Ben Mandelker: I think he says that coming up about his brand, about like his pop-up or something. Oh, okay.

29:29Ronnie Karam: Commercials. Here comes one right now. This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball. Care hard, cook easy. I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night,

29:41Ben Mandelker: and I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal, a turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. Every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime, and the more you do it, the happier you are.

30:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Butterball Turkey is made for everyday moments that bring people together with ease, and it tastes great while doing it.

30:14Ben Mandelker: Do you think if a Butterball turkey showed up at the Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion, it could bring everyone back together?

30:20Ronnie Karam: Maybe it would, girly.

30:22Ben Mandelker: Maybe it would. I love a turkey.

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31:19Ronnie Karam: So then Liam and Ariana are in their room getting ready to go, and she's texting with Hudson. And he's like, wow, she's texting with Hudson, too. It's annoying, you know. Other people in the outside world may be like, what the fuck are they doing? But for me, I think where we're at right now, I feel good. She likes me. She told me I'm a dream. I mean, I'm not worried. Why would I be worried?

31:42Ben Mandelker: I'm not worried at all. I mean, am I carving a little chipmunk out of an old Stella Adler book? Perhaps. But I'm okay. So then everyone packs up.

31:54Ronnie Karam: If that Stella Adler book starts on fire, I'll be able to put it out, because I'm also a firefighter.

32:03Ben Mandelker: so um then they're the next they're leaving amidst this snowstorm and they're all trying to get out there as soon as possible but rowan's like wait guys i'm gonna take that i'm gonna take that rotisserie chicken she's like i want the rotisserie chicken because i want to make a chicken salad later which honestly was so funny to me i don't think we've ever seen anyone on bravo do this like very human thing like because everyone there's always someone at the airbnb who does this and like they never show because people on bravo generally also don't eat so the fact that she's like i i'm making a chicken salad this is what's happening she's like well this registry chicken be in a room temp car for the next five hours yes but i don't care there will Yeah, that was nasty.

32:49Ronnie Karam: She just throws it into her bag. That shit was nasty. That car must have smelled. Yeah, it's going to stink. That shit out of here. So then, back in the city, Meredith Marks is there talking to Broxy about this event. I don't think I'm even going to be able to make it because I'm going to be DJing. Sorry, Broxy.

33:13Ben Mandelker: What else do you need for this event? Should we get you a crate of binkies to hand out to your fellow toddler friends? That would be great. And then, um, you invented Harry Light, which is very big.

33:28Ronnie Karam: I invented the Bruxy Burrito when you were a little baby, and the way it folded up your little blankie. TM. TM.

33:39Ben Mandelker: Which stands for trademark and also toddler marks. so um then we see uh george is getting ready to do a practice pitch um with her cousin and this guy who's like gonna he's gonna pretend to be like uh an investor and it's for her cleaning product which is no longer named yuck it's now called messy which i don't know i actually kind of like

34:04Ronnie Karam: probably believe it or not probably yeah he's like we're gonna run into trouble with trademarks with yuck, but I think messy too, no?

34:13Ben Mandelker: I mean, Fergie will have something to say about it, I'm sure. Messy, messy.

34:19Ronnie Karam: I'm going to look up messy trademark. Messy by TM. That's a folk song. Yeah. And Lola Young sang messy. Of course. Messy single. Well, I guess these are all songs. Is there not a trademark on messy?

34:35Ben Mandelker: Didn't Fergie sing a song called messy? Yeah.

34:40Ronnie Karam: I don't think that's not showing up in the Google.

34:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's not showing up. Must've been a different song.

34:47Ronnie Karam: Uh, so, uh, Brooks is doing his pop-up and then we cut back and forth with that in Georgia. And she's like, yeah, my working title is messy. Like we're designing something. It's sort of a cult cleaning brand. It's not a cult until it becomes a cult. You don't just make a cult.

35:07Ronnie Karam: we're designing the cult cleaning brand it's efficient but like it's also safer than other things that clean you it's actually what i say it's a cult cleaning brand it's

35:19Ben Mandelker: literally designed for cults to clean up their white robes it's like really helpful

35:25Ronnie Karam: it's for cults who like poop a lot like you put it in the toilet and then when you have to unclog it your hand comes out naturally clean so you don't have to wash it after you unclog the

35:37Ben Mandelker: toilet yeah i'm telling sheila from wild wild country so um marcus the guy is like well one of the things you may or may not know is that when you start a company is that you may have to make a lot of sacrifices to make this successful she goes yeah my medium said this is one of the winning lottery tickets of my life he's like oh yeah probably not going to factor that into my investment decision but i'm glad she's giving you confidence yeah it's a medium

36:10Ronnie Karam: oh so so then we go to the pop-up brooks's pop-up and um amira sees georgia but she's like no thank you and brooks brooks's speech he's like thank you so much for coming to my thing everybody and thank you please enjoy the drinks courtesy of kalua and hot chocolate from slave city

36:35Ben Mandelker: slave city and uh shy is like whoa this is like serious this is like button up like my pop-up is like put together with duct tape it's like complete 180 opposite like this is serious and mine's like fun and like funny it's like literally like we just want make people to laugh we want every single person to come in and laugh i'm not a jester so uh brooks is this is where brooks has his monologue ronnie this is the moment you've been waiting for the two of two the the two of two proud of being a dumbass scenes yes two hits right here like yeah like you know i don't know

37:09Ronnie Karam: about continuing my brand but this pop-up shows that it's worth it i mean slave city am i right like the eiffel tower wasn't built in two days or something wait what was that the vatican What wasn't built in two days? We'll just let him sit with a Carmen San Diego.

37:33Ben Mandelker: Where in Europe is Carmen San Diego? And see if he figures it out.

37:37Ronnie Karam: So then, Ava is asking if her father was invited. I mean, in San Diego.

37:45Ben Mandelker: Duh. That was an SNL skit. They did a parody of the game show. except they called it where in the world is san diego and they're like okay where they had like gum shoe and the people like it's right there like what do you mean like it's on the map what do you mean there's even a dot that says san diego on your map like oh i guess our game show's over so um ava uh so charlie's not invited because my dad's here and he had some pretty strong words to say about my dad and we see a flashback to charlie be like who gives a about your dad i don't fucking lie don't fucking hate your fucking dad your dad's the least respectable fucking dad on planet earth okay uh so now georgia is talking to seth and she's like can i pick your

38:34Ronnie Karam: brain about something like i'm starting a cpg company and it's gonna be cleaning so do you have advice for early stage startups. He's like, wow, I love that. I love this. All right. You are in a category. I love the category. That's your first step. Good for you. You are killing it. Category killer. Goddamn. Okay. Basically, you are an icon. You are an icon of cleaning. All right. You are the Ralph Lauren of cleaning. That's what's important with brands. Like, Seriously? Whoa.

39:10Ben Mandelker: Now you're my daughter, too. Can we talk about pansexuality? George is like, I love Brooks Marx, but Seth Marx is one of the greatest spiritual leaders of our time. He's so high on my algorithm on Instagram. I don't miss a story. He's kind of like Washington in that famous painting of him going across, what is it, the Hudson River? the potomac river is it the la river which one was it see ronnie there was actually three three of three bonus yeah here we go three of the delaware the delaware river she's like what the delaware delaware which is famously where dupont is located her soon-to-be uh competitor

39:59Ronnie Karam: oh wow tm um so she's like well wait but who was the guy willie mays that promoted oxyclean he's like billy mays yeah um i don't think that's a great example yeah he died of a cocaine overdose so we'll find a partner you know put some storyboards together i want you to present it you are the brand you are the you have something on your hands right now oh it's a poop it's poop

40:27Ben Mandelker: i'm a i'm a living example but i love that she thought it was willie mays the baseball player the famous baseball player actually what's the name of that guy who promoted oxyclean babe ruth billy mays mickey mantle billy mays

40:44Ronnie Karam: billy valdwin but i don't have baseball people to jump in with i'm i'm pretty much done i know babe ruth because there's a candy bar erin judge um so then uh now shy and ava are flirting

40:58Ben Mandelker: awkwardly and um they were and the producer was asking if they were flirtatious and shy's like yeah i mean on the car ride back home ava and i sat in the backseat together and we pretty much like talked the entire time about like our lives and like we had a really good chat about our families and like what we do and like how we spend our time in new york it just seemed like we got like a lot closer.

41:20Ronnie Karam: So Ava's saying, yeah, I mean, I think it's clear he has a little crush on me. So, I mean, when is he going to ask me on a date? I mean, I'm curious. Aren't you guys? Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't really. So then we go to the pop-up brand for Shy About Time. Something about time, her. There, around the.

41:47Ben Mandelker: And just like that, the brand. So yeah, Shy, this is a much cooler event. That's like hip, very hipster. You can like graffiti the wall when you come in and like there's like cool people in sweatshirts and like the lighting's dark. It's like, it's just grungy. It's cool. It's downtown. It's like when Leah brought the ladies to a party downtown on Real Housewives of New York. It's like, whoa, this is crazy. Going below 55th Street. So, but it does look like a cool, it looks like a cool event and the photography is cool everything about it does look legitimately very cool and so uh it's it's a nice event and everyone shows up and they're all honestly more impressed with shy's event than brooks is because brooks is like the sort of event that your parents throw for you like if you have like wealthy parents like the it has like the staid energy of older people whereas shy's is like i'm i'm in my mid-20s and i'm i'm doing things you know

42:42Ronnie Karam: Even on the door to come into Shize, there was a sticker that was like a no smoking sticker. But in it was a woman and a man, like the image of a woman and a man, like no genders allowed in this establishment. I was like, oh, OK. Well, it's better than the sticker that was on the door of Brooks's, like food court. So borrow to the left, restrooms to the right. So they're all really impressed with this one. It's like.

43:13Ronnie Karam: And Kendall's asking Ariana and Liam what they're doing for the holidays. He's like, well, I don't know, but I'll tell you this much. We're waking up Christmas morning together. Right, Ariana? And she's like, uh, yep. Yeah, we are.

43:27Ben Mandelker: Kendall's like, that's exciting. Are you guys spending the holidays together? Like, what part of waking up Christmas morning together? That's the holiday.

43:37Ronnie Karam: That's the holiday, Kendall.

43:39Ben Mandelker: That's the holiday. So Ariana's like, well, we're still moving at a slow pace, right, Liam? And slowing it down, but we're spending Christmas together. It's a little complex because we're saying that we're spending Christmas together, but I don't actually want to and will probably flake a day before. So that's why it's a little complex.

44:04Ronnie Karam: we see that she gets a text from hudson asking her to coffee to talk and she tells us that she's overwhelmed with charlie and his flirtiness she's overwhelmed by liam and his flirtiness and his moving a million miles a minute she's like an overload with all these guys who just love her what is she gonna do so we see gia buying a sweater at the pop-up and uh charlie's like I guess now I have to buy one. I'm going to look like a dick. Thanks, Gia.

44:32Ben Mandelker: And like Ava is seeing Shy in the center of this cool hipster event, an event that Ava's like, wow, this is really cool. This is the sort of event that I would get invited to, like a brand would want me to be at. So she sees that he's like the star of this cool event. And it's like turning her on. And she's like, oh, I like a guy in their element. You know, I like what I see. So then Ava's like, do you want to keep up with me? You want to hear what happened last night? You want to keep up with me? Then sit down because this is what the fuck happened. Okay, I'm going to tell you exactly what happened.

45:06Ben Mandelker: And then the end of the story is going to be like, why are you asking me what happened? I don't know what happened. Okay, here we go. So me, Liam, Ariana, Shy go to another bar. And then me and Ariana go to the photo booth. And then we kiss. And then we come out of the photo booth. And then she goes back in with Liam. So then me and Shy go over to the bar. Shy, you're turned down.

45:26Ronnie Karam: It will look at me and she was like, I think you're hot now. Why do I think you're hot? And I was like, but I've always been hot. And it's like kind of rude of her to say. Like, what? I wasn't hot before.

45:36Ben Mandelker: He wasn't. He really wasn't. But he became really hot tonight. So then Shy says, can I kiss you now?

45:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because it was like very much worth of wait. It was like so worth of wait.

45:46Ben Mandelker: No one saw it because it was just like me and Shy and the bartender. It was like my dream date.

45:52Ronnie Karam: By the way, this is all told with crayon drawings. Your favorite. The crayon drawings are back. And then we hit up Charlie naturally as one does at 2 a.m. And then the four of us go drive to Charlie's house and we all get out of the car except for Liam. Because Liam says he's going to go walk Ariana's dogs while he hangs out with me. She hung out with me, Shy and Charlie. Like, why? I don't know. so then me and shy made out in charlie's kitchen and then we left and that was the end of my night

46:26Ben Mandelker: and then the producer says what was the vibe of ariana and charlie she's like i can't oh my god no i can't so they ask ariana what happened it's like i mean a lot like i crashed out and lost 24

46:42Ronnie Karam: hours there were so many different things going through my head god forgive me oh my god god forgive me. God forgive me. Just cut to Liam being like, but you were the, I asked you to Christmas. How could you do this?

46:56Ben Mandelker: We were going to hang out with my mom and dad. You said that they were your favorite people too. Come on. Yeah. Well, next season finale, and we're going to get to the bottom of what happened with these two. Uh, but I think they hooked up. I'm going to say it

47:12Ronnie Karam: right now yeah because they show in the preview that charlie comes in for a kiss and then it goes to black yeah that's probably yeah it looks like it yeah yeah they faked us out like 10 times this season i keep falling for it yeah well everyone thank you for being here it's an exciting episode in the world of next gen new york city yeah thanks everybody for being here we will talk to you next

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