#3525 RHOC S20E09 Part One: As a Trash Thinketh

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1:29Ben Mandelker: What happens? Well, hello, and welcome to What What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we'd love to talk about on ye old bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's the gorgeous, talented Ben Mantelker. Hello. Hello. How are you? Good. Happy Friday. If you're not watching this, you missed a very fun gay wave. Hello. Well, I've had a gay morning. Hello. Oh, yeah, I had a very gay morning in where I went and I got some Alfred coffee, which feels already gay. I was on Melrose Avenue, basically. That's what I'm trying to say. Already today I've been on Melrose Avenue amongst influencers getting coffee. So that just made me feel gay.

2:16Ben Mandelker: Complimentary in a good way. Yeah, good gay. Welcome to the show, everybody. We are going on tour. We're announcing, we've already announced where we're going and stuff, but we're selling tickets next week, starting towards the end of next week. So check that out. Then come see our show. We start October 3rd and we go through March. So we're coming to a lot of places. Also, if you want this on video, you get that at Patreon, along with ad-free listening, bonus episodes. This week we talked about Ladies of London and the Love Island reunion. union also ben has a new show called what's your order on youtube explicitly on youtube so you have to not explicitly i'm naked it's i'm naked on the show it's that explicit um blends being really gay on youtube touching himself all over the place dad bod naked dad naked and you'll be afraid um i uh uh the latest episode julia cunningham from the julia cunningham show on radio andy joined and we ranked top five Summer House cast members.

3:26Ben Mandelker: Ronnie, who do you think would be in your top five off the top of your head? Who's your number one, you think? Lindsey. Yeah. Yeah, no question. Love that. Lindsey, Kyle, I mean the classics. Lindsey, Kyle, I think that's it, right? Well, obviously Sierra. That's all there is.

3:50God, god who else has been good they've had so many good ones over there see that's why i can't do that show because i just sit here going um um the the which i guess i edit it but well um if you

4:03Ben Mandelker: want to hear i'm not going to say what my picks are but i will say that limsey and kyle are in my top five because of course well i would hope so geez so the question is who comes in number one you'll just have to watch that's one secret i'll never tell so go check that out it's on it's on crappin's youtube so we just want subscribers basically we're just trying to grow that channel well you're earning them that's for sure well i hope so but uh literally just hit subscribe it i don't think it's gonna affect your life in any way you just hit subscribe and it's just like the funny thing no i know but like sometimes when when we ask you know it's like oh come buy tickets do patreon like there's a little bit of a lift but with youtube literally i do is press subscribe and it's like fine and then your life goes on but for us it's actually very impactful so that's it uh yeah so do that and um happy friday everybody it's my last topo chico of the week here at my desk my god trying to open it just splattered it all over my damn self as i do but today is real housewives of orange county day well well actually there's a shadow on my head because my lighting isn't very good in here and you're so bright so i turned on this thing on the computer called studio light but i can't adjust it so now i've got like a little shadow so it looks like there's like a shadow i like it it's you know what uh you said today is real houses of orange county day and i think that before i think even higher than that today is Beyonce's birthday.

5:39Ben Mandelker: So let's not forget who is really ruling the roost around here, right? Anyone? You know what? If you liked it, then you should put a ring on it, okay? Vicky's singing it. If you liked it, like you should have put a ring on it. Where's my ring? Where's my ring? Give me back my ring. It's not dangling it over my head. I've never even seen it. That was hilarious. Beyonce. Like she takes it literally. My neighbor. I mean actually today's episode is very much Beyonce-esque I mean it is about putting a ring on it it is about birthdays it is about putting your love on top and it is about Paging his telephone bills Paging his automobiles You're a bugaboo You're a bugaboo bitch It's about independent women Yeah so happy birthday B and happy decent episode day of Real Housewives of Orange County.

6:34This has been a sloggy season, but this episode was pretty hilarious. All I really need is for them to be shoved into spiritual awakening seminars with each other. That shit was hilarious.

6:47Ben Mandelker: I felt like this was actually the first episode of the season that felt right. I actually thought this was a very entertaining episode. I really, really liked it. I hope this is a signal to what the rest of the season will be. Probably won't be. But I felt like all the issues felt a little bit more grounded and stuff i i it's not that like i i sit here and care about it i'm not like wondering oh my god what's going on with vicky's ring but it felt like they were like it felt like there were more stakes than just the typical emily and gina concoctions like she put a dildo in the bag that's like me it's like oh god it felt like you can see them trying to make something whereas here it's like hey like you're being nice this person but we know you called her trash you have to say something it's like genuine like uh-oh what's going to happen how is this interaction going to be so i thought it was a really good episode it was pretty funny i got and then heather started to mess too which i really liked because everybody else is doing it so she's like well she got into it too so it was pretty fun the whole i'm sorry i called you trash that was classic that was so fun it was a it was kind Kind of a classic everybody episode.

7:58Well, not everybody. But it was a classic Heather. It was a classic Shannon. It was a classic Vicky. I mean, Vicky just being with the wrong man and seeing kind of behind the scenes of that obviously shitty relationship. Or shitty facing relationship. It's just so classic Vicky, too. You know, trying to tell everybody she's in a good relationship. And classic Tamron away coming through and being like, is this guy the right guy and thinks that's my opinion that's my opinion it's pretty good everybody's singing their hits today

8:33Ben Mandelker: yeah exactly also Ronnie and I did meet Heather Dubrow last week a week ago and she was very nice and she was very small that was the thing about I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised but she was like hello we were at Crystal we were at a party at Crystal's house and Heather was there and Terry was walking around with his like leather jacket and everything and we're like we gotta say hello to Heather Dubrow we gotta we have to like we have to interact with Heather at some point so we didn't say that we were from Watch for Crappins but we just said hello nice to meet you and I told her because that last Friday for those who may remember on the last episode um Emily was coming at Heather about just more bullshit about like I don't even remember what I don't even remember what the bullshit was it was so inconsequential but it was more like you act like this then you say this you act like it was just and I and so Twitter was actually trending of people being on Heather's side and I told Heather she's like I did not know that but I'm glad to hear it now could you please wash my car thank you Alfredo

9:45um all right here we go Real Housewives of Orange County season 20 episode 9 ring of truth with the driftwood kitchen is every restaurant there on the water that whole town looks like it's about to sink it's one of the restaurants the one that tamra went to look like the waves were coming right up to the window i know beautiful i

10:09Ben Mandelker: i thought driftwood kitchen i thought that was just uh gina's house no oh we're not talking about personality We're talking about kitchens. Scrap metal kitchen. Scrap metal kitchen. I apologize. Gina, I know everything's in the water. Yeah, so pretty. And Gina's like, oh, you guys are going to meet me and Shannon's all right because it's her birthday. Like, it's an impromptu because she said she's lonely and that made me so sad. You want to see my sad face? I feel bad. I feel bad. You're lonely, Shannon. I feel bad that she's like alone. So Tamara is like, I don't want to hit 60. Which I think she actually did this week.

10:53Ben Mandelker: She goes, you know, when we had dinner, and we were talking about sex drive and all that, right? Like, well, it just got me thinking that I went to the doctor and I got blood work done. And the blood said, I'm hot. I'm AB heart positive. They tried to do blood work, but nothing came into the syringe. They tapped my head, and they took my heartbeat. Nothing really happened. Then I tried to look in the mirror, and there was no reflection. What the fuck? Am I just getting old? No, you're a fucking vampire. My LDL is 60 and my HDL is hot as fuck. I think that's good. You're hot, bitch. I'm a hot bitch.

11:30I'm a hot bitch, baby. I'm a bad bitch, baby. We see a flashback to the doctor and the doctor is like, you have not moved the needle on your estrogen, nor have you with your testosterone. You basically have no fluids. You have no fluids. You have nothing in you.

11:52Ben Mandelker: She needs to go to Valvoline. So Emily is like, I had my blood work done too, and I had no testosterone. That's why I had to get pellets inserted in my butt. And no, by pellets, I don't mean solely on his birthday.

12:13Ben Mandelker: And by pellets, I don't mean tuna sandwiches. turkey sandwiches that is tacos everything so they're talking about getting older and how you have to start doing stuff when you get older because you don't feel nothing in place and so Tamara's gonna go get juiced up and then of course this is all a roundabout way to start talking about Heather Gina's like I want Heather drinking song, Cria! Please. And then, cut to the sunglass factory, I mean gallery, and Jan and Heather and Carmela are shopping for sunglasses. And Heather's like, oh, by the way, congratulations, Carmela, on your daughter. She's going to Gal Poly.

13:06Ben Mandelker: That's so exciting that she's exploring non-traditional relationships. ...

13:14Ben Mandelker: did I lose you? I was waiting for my... Don't stop. Just keep talking. Keep nothing's going. Alfredo. Nothing's wrong. Okay. Roddy's not here. Alfredo, will you laugh at my joke? Thank you. Thank you, Cal Poly. His headphones fell out, so we didn't hear the very good joke I made. But that's okay. I'm sure Drake heard it somewhere, as he, too, is probably celebrating... I'm so sorry. My head fawnies fell out. My head fawnies broke, so... is that not how you say it that farnies anyway carmella what's new with you she goes well my daughter's about to go to college she got an offer from cal poly oh is that where trashy people go

13:59well i mean i'm just like so upset i'm like bawling of my daughter i'm so proud of her like she's growing up and i was so sad because like when i left the house my dad was really upset but then I never came back. And so I'm really upset. Well, at least Hugh Hefner's dead. We know she's not going to be going over there. Yeah.

14:22Ben Mandelker: The very unique story of someone leaving home as they grow up. So Heather, she's like, guys, here's my tragic backstory. When I turned 18, I went to college and I never quite lived at home in the same way as I did when I was four years old. It's tough. Yeah, it's so bizarre. The transition is bizarre. One minute, they're not in college, and the next minute, they're in college. It's crazy. Your relationship does change, but not in a bad way. It's just more expensive now because you're getting them giant penthouses on the ocean instead of just their own bedroom. I never was more proud than when little Nicky got himself his own little Alfredoette.

15:05Ben Mandelker: So Carmela is like, so what happened at the party? Jen's like, um, I didn't, I feel like I didn't really see you much. Thank you very much. By the way, if you were ignoring me, thank you so much. Thank you. What were you doing, by the way? Carmela's like, well, I felt like a disagreement started with Emily. There was a big conversation. Was there or not? Heather, would you like to explain this a little bit more? Well, apparently a lot of things I do annoy Emily. Apparently. Apparently. Emily really is just trying in every episode to come for Heather for no reason. And then And she's like, why is she so sensitive?

15:39God! Oh, really? You're the lady who cried over jeans for months. He'll still probably cry over them. Like jeans in a fashion show that Heather gave you. Please. With someone else who's too sensitive.

15:51Ben Mandelker: Everything is... I feel like Emily feels like it's her job to poke holes in everyone's fake veneer. And it's like, don't you realize that people were cast on this show for their fake veneers? You're not the people's princess here. we don't need you to do this work we will yeah we don't want everybody to be yeah thanks so they're uh say jen's saying well you know i was here heather's so sensitive we have to tiptoe around heather oh yeah and heather's like well i'm totally fine and i don't think anyone by the way tiptoes around me if you heard these people i've never heard it's like a herd of elephants coming through.

16:30How dare you? Figuratively.

16:35Ben Mandelker: It's very important that people don't tiptoe around me. That's why I get all the Alfredos. Little booties. They can put them right on their shoes. Soft surfaces. You never hear a thing. And they don't have to be on their tiptoes. I used to make Alfredo tiptoe around me, but I've cut off all his toes by now. Listen, is there an easier way to correct a mistake? Probably. Probably. Lovely. Anyway, what were we talking about? I always say, listen, drop some chips here. Here, here's this to me. This is what tiptoeing means. It means here's a tip. Clean the dishes or I take a toe. All right. Thank you.

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19:41Yeah, but she's always, you know, she's always making allowances for Heather. are like, that's the way Heather is. Give her more time. When do you draw the line? She's just so hypersensitive. Oh my God, geez. Aren't you the one literally furious at Heather because she told you you haven't stopped talking during a little argument? I mean, that's all she said. Like, you haven't stopped talking. Oh, dear, you know how they're telling me she's trying to silence me.

20:09Ben Mandelker: Gina, she takes a little time to get over things. I mean, both of you two carry grudges for months on these shows. So Emily is saying that she's hypersensitive. And Heather is like, you know, people that give zero fucks? Well, I give many, many, many fucks. And I can't help it. That's who I am. Just Heather Dubrow giving fucks all the time. Fuck giver, Heather Dubrow. Oh, and then back to Tamara. She's like, yeah, I'm just confused because, you know, Heather said things about Carmela to me. It's been nice to Carmela. Oh, for Christ's sake. This is crazy standing up for Heather this much. But since when is it a crime to tell one of your best friends that someone else is trash behind their back?

20:58I mean, I don't even want to live in the world where I can't tell my best friends that other people are trash and then be nice to those people's faces.

21:06Ben Mandelker: Especially Tamara. They all say the most vile things behind each other's backs. But the moment that, like, Heather says something, they lose their minds. Remember a few seasons ago at BravoCon, Heather allegedly called someone a loser or called a few of them a loser. She's like, I don't want to be with those losers or something like that. And I was like, what? We're losers. And now it's like, it's this whole thing. I mean, I'm sure, like, yeah, Heather, I mean, it's not even, Heather does admit that she says it. But of course, Heather's like, I don't like her. She's trash. I mean Yeah I think that thing was about Heather wanting to move to Beverly Hills right because they said they were saying something like are you going to move to Beverly Hills she's like I wish that's a real successful show and they're like how dare you oh wait wait wait I'm going to come sit and lose this table with that guy with that Beverly Hills sorry yeah but they just like Tamara does genuinely nasty things like later this episode I believe and But like Heather says One you know not so nice thing I'm not saying what Heather said was nice But they literally go nuts But I think the reason why they go nuts Is because Heather is wealthier And smarter Than all the rest of them So every time Heather says that one of them is trash I think they all feel Like she's probably saying it about them too And that's why they get into a tizzy She is Because she's right And see that's the thing Like Heather is an asshole She is a snob You know, she's made me crazy for years with this stuff.

22:40But you can get her on something valid at some point. But they're just trying to come up with stuff, you know? Just do it when it's real. Heather will piss you off for real. You don't have to come up with this. Oh, no, but it was a good Heather crying all the time. Every time you've confronted her this season, she's been like, okay, I hear you. How can I do better? Are you writing this down, Alf? by the way i do want to say that when we saw heather and terry

23:08Ben Mandelker: it's at one point crystal's husband was like singing in a band at this party and people were just watching and i was like you know what heather and terry do really stand like they did in that picture they just stand like that that's just sort of like what they do which was shocking to see i was like there was no paparazzi around that i could see you mean the picture at disneyland where they were remember disney where they were standing so so ridiculously like okay they are posing but it turns out they do kind of just stand like that just at rest that's like their resting standing face which is kind of crazy to see she's like pointing at something that's not rob singing she's like whoa look over there his arms around her.

23:52Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, there's probably a romantic photographer I didn't see. I just thought it was funny. Okay, so they're upset because she talks shit about Carmella, and now she's acting like she likes Carmella. And she's like, oh yeah, Gina, now she's gonna use Carmella to find a house for her daughter. And Emily's like, I am so offended. I'm so offended. That's really weird. That's really weird to do. It makes me feel weird. You know, honestly, I feel blindsided because if the roles were reversed, Heather would literally pulverize me. You don't live in San Diego. You've never lived in San Diego. You don't know San Diego.

24:29You barely know California. You've been here for five minutes. Why would someone ask you to go find something in San Diego? That's where this lady works.

24:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And also, like, did you ever express any interest in finding a place for Heather's daughters or son or anything? Like, why did, like did you ever say hey by the way Heather if your daughter ever wants to get a place in this area just hit me up I'll help you out like did you ever do that but like also Heather's looking for nice accommodations and like doesn't want her daughter to live in a one-bedroom apartment in some sort of like four-story complex in Irvine okay like she's gonna like we've we saw the house that Carmela was selling on TV and we saw the house that you were selling on TV.

25:23Ben Mandelker: And there's no shame in either one, but we know which one Heather's going to gravitate towards. Yeah, Gina's like, okay, I found your kid the perfect place because they're retiring from high school. So they're going to love it. Wait a minute, this is a retirement village. Exactly. Exactly. They're going to love it here. By the way, if you ever need help getting out of your chair, something like that after TV there's no change just call the front desk somewhere to help you water aerobics every morning beautiful view of the Tustin Auto Mall laughter laughter there's not an outlet mall here but there's a billboard directing you to an outlet mall laughter there's this really cool architectural space that some are lobbying to be a UNESCO World Heritage Site, but in the meantime, it is currently a Spirit Halloween.

26:23Ben Mandelker: It was formerly a blockbuster. You can see that from the window.

26:31I'm Gina. I may be taken, but I'm not giving. Like her stupid opening line, whatever it is. Every time. She's like, I'm taken. Shut up. Okay so Gina has found a way to get herself back Yeah so the producer Asks when Heather First called Carmella trashy And she's like oh well she got turned up in Vegas And she was saying this shit in front of Everybody off camera are we surprised That Fancy Pants called Carmella trashy I mean I'm surprised I thought it was before They started shooting so I think this is More offensive that she did it In Vegas because wasn't that last week

27:14Ben Mandelker: I know, right? Yes. Unless they're talking about BravoCon. Because this was, I think, filmed after BravoCon. So it could have been BravoCon. It could have been. I have to imagine. It sounded like she didn't know Carmella yet. And by Vegas, she was already working with Carmella. So I'm going to assume it was BravoCon Vegas, not... If that's the case, then they're being extra shady by suggesting that it was last week. you know because i thought when they first started talking about it emily said something like well when she first came to the group i thought they're trashy and now she's trying to be her friend but then gina's saying vegas which makes it sound like it was last week or in the past couple of weeks which would be super shitty so i don't know so emily is like already they're also trying to get her you know they're trying they're gonna they haven't dropped this stuff on carmely yet they're planning on dropping it on her but right now they're trying to get her upset with vicky and suddenly he's like well what do you think about vicky leaving your party or like every time we get together victoria's the last one to show up and the first one to leave i mean it's just so rude you were sitting at this woman's house talking mad shit about her husband in front of her with your feet on the furniture rude yeah i mean it is funny that vicky is getting clocked for the same thing on two different shows but also like why would vicky want to maximize her time with emily and gina she's clearly not interested in the two of them she clearly does not like carmela heather clearly annoys her she only wants to hang out with tamra and uh shannon and then get some screen time so she is she is i mean vicky should be showing up more uh and be putting more effort into it but i kind of understand why she's like yeah i don't want to spend that much time with these ding-dongs it's also two hours away this party how much time and there you get to take you know god this yeah this episode's crazy i'm standing up for heather and then vicky just line them up my everything's crushing in my brain today so then we go back to the sunglass hut and carmella's like well when it was brought up about vicky leaving early i don't know i just look at things differently like she has a right to leave early people have stuff going on well i don't disagree with you but carmella you teach people how to treat you am i right stop do not come closer see

29:46Ben Mandelker: Carmela roll over see

29:54so you know she's showing up and she's saying hey I only have this amount of time for you well now we know what box we're in so this is where Heather was like okay I'm not they're not the only ones that can start shit fine i'll try and get carmella against vicky too let's go for it

30:15Ben Mandelker: so emily says you know the reason over emily's scene you know the reason that that night at your party i called vicky a debbie downer was because from when we first met her it was just like there was a lot of energy but there's just not that energy anymore yeah you met her eight years ago she's older now she's been through more things i think she's like drained and also i mean like the wild thing is emily of all people accusing someone of being a debbie downer while she's actively being one right now yeah she's absolutely correct by the way vicky sucks and she's a debbie downer and she's an energy kill and i don't know why she's on two shows but it's coming from emily i mean has emily smiled one time this whole season she's just showed up everywhere like so it's just like consider the source i guess kind of thing so now they're taught she's like well what is it with vicky what's wrong with her i mean is it is it mike is mike controlling her and he wants her to tone it down i mean it's actually another good call it's a good call but i also don't but it's also just such a it's just such a leap right like oh she seems like uh quiet maybe it's because her son moved to spain maybe it's because her son and her daughter clearly have some beef maybe it's because there's something weird going on with this entire relationship with brianna and ryan and who knows what's going on there maybe it's because she ran into don and realized damn i made some huge huge mistakes maybe it's because she realized that like she's at a certain point of her life and it hasn't gone quite the way it has gone and she's reflecting about the fact that she changed her whole face because of what one stupid guy said and she realized what's her power that like there's a lot of reasons why she's probably feeling down and quite frankly it's probably all of the above including mike but i don't know i just think it's so like it was just was such a typical emily slash gina thing to be like wow she seems down she must be in a terrible relationship she's not like emotionally processing correctly.

32:19Ben Mandelker: I was like, I'm like, it's just, well, it's funny. It's funny that I'm accusing her of making a leap when I literally just made 10 of them. But the point is that like, I feel like you can maybe surmise things, but they are now going to take this as a maybe it's this, and then they're going to turn it into fact, and then they're going to run with it. They may be right, but that's coincidental. Yeah, it's just a hypocritical thing coming from Emily, but I think she's absolutely correct. Vicky sucks, and her relationship seems to suck too. So I don't know. So she's like, secret Tamra. And Tamra's like, yeah, I think it is Mike.

32:52You know, he got mad because, you know, she was saying like, you know, take your pants off. Maybe that, maybe she said that. And then we find out that he showed up. And, um, we see a flashback of Vicky saying, well, Mike could go to sleep and I'm just saying, take your pants off. And he's like, really? And I guess she confessed it to Mike when he came to Vegas last second. And then he was like, you don't need to talk about our sex. life on camera. So now she's like, I would never say something like that. That's our relationship. It's very personal. I'd never talk about that. I don't know why everybody's saying that I talk like that.

33:27I absolutely don't. I'm a good person. I'm a good person. We don't even have a sex life. I mean, I don't know. We're not having sex until we're married. We're Christians. Stop asking me.

33:38Ben Mandelker: It is weird that he was in Vegas the entire time and Vicky never told anyone. And I understand Vicky doesn't trust this group with her man, essentially, in the sense that telling them things about her man, she knows it will always come back and be weaponized against her. So I get that, but you don't have to be that buttoned up about it. You just can't have a boyfriend who fakes having cancer just to get people to like him and then try to sell cancer. Even though you know he's fucking lying and helped him doctor paperwork. It's just crazy how judgmental friends can be these days i'm not telling them anything anymore well sometimes you just want to scam in private um so uh emily's like yeah it's like a 16 year old sneaker boyfriend in the house and um and tamara's like yeah i think her experience with bricks was like no way this ain't happening again so um they're all just like weirded out by this whole thing and um and also So, like, then we also see a flashback of how Vicky's behavior changed.

34:49Ben Mandelker: Because at that one dinner, she was, like, all talking about, like, taking the pants off. And then later on, she was very prudish about it. Yeah, she's talking about seeing the guys pee-pee at the Grand Canyon. And they're like, wow, why is she suddenly so, you know, chased? So, Gina's like, yeah, and she's almost made comments like, he has a ring. And he was going to propose. But then he got, like, I mean, I don't know. he got mad at me and then he's not going to do it anymore. Something like that. Something. Yeah. And that last night he came to our room. He said, she's got 90 days to not piss me off.

35:26And she makes it 70. And then I said, well, we got sad all over again. I mean, what is Vicky doing that she can't even make it to 90 days? I mean, geez. I mean, I can't think of one thing.

35:38Ben Mandelker: Maybe you see a 90 day fiance.

35:45oh but that is crazy behavior like you have to behave for 90 days and i'll give you the ring

35:51Ben Mandelker: that is he is a grumpy old man for sure well it's either it's either a terrible dangling carrot or it's just like one of those like just like groan worthy jokes because i can imagine someone making a joke like that be like well i mean i like she acts well for 90 days i'll give her a ring but until that you know i can i can imagine someone like i can imagine like a dad making that kind of a joke i don't want to excuse you but like i also know that anytime anyone makes any the reason why i'm going to that place is because i know that anytime anyone makes any sort of like you know tongue-in-cheek comment tamra takes it as literally as possible if she can use it against someone so that's i'm always like hmm like what was this i don't i think this guy sucks because we see him later he generally he sucks he genuinely sucks and it's very viable that he said this earnestly but i just always you know as tamra herself said consider this to us consider this to us yeah consider it and now tamra and gina are going back and forth trying to guess what vicky could have done tamra's like is it because you don't work all night long every single day yeah is it because maybe she's stalking dawn on his facebook page because that's a little weird Is it that she backed into its car?

37:04Maybe she took Mike off a life insurance policy? Like, I don't even know. Mike, what has she done that's so bad that she can't get a ring?

37:14Ben Mandelker: And Emily's like, I feel like where she's at financially, she should dictate the terms of the relationship. Emily is correct. And then Emily's, actually, Emily has a great point here. That's so, I feel like that's so, like, old school kind of misogyny to be like, the one who has the money gets to be the boss in the relationship, period. well meaning like if he is dictating it because of that some if like for that sort of idea or whatever then like why not vicky too right mom they could be like no i make money you don't get to boss me around um but you're right it is actually pretty retrograde so emily says um i don't like when men start dating someone and they know exactly who that person is but then they want them to behave differently and she is correct on this emily is spot on the money she goes it just sounds juvenile kind of like when you dangle something in front of someone like act this certain way and you'll get the prize it just sounds weird yeah but do we think that when we date guys because i think like a normal thing when you start dating a guy is like oh i like you but like here's a list of shit it's a classic people have been like that with me you know classic asshole guys like a classic i never make it through the list yeah i think a classic thing that that like a narcissist guy or just a douchebag guy would do would be to base like they they lure someone in who's like actually they're sort of like punching up and then what they do is and they sort of like make that person feel bad about themselves and then they they sort of make them think they can't do any better than them and they're and then they start trying to like adjust all the rules it's like no you're the one who was so lucky to date out of your league in this situation i mean i'm not i don't know if vicky is out of anyone's league but you know what i'm saying here it's just like like we've seen it happen before with our girlfriends time and time again i do i yeah no i see what you're saying i was just joking because i feel like when we date guys not but but anyone who dates guys are like okay i like you now here's the shit you need to change but i agree if a girlfriend told me that about a guy i'd be like get the fuck out of there.

39:26Yeah. Maybe guys just need more change. You know?

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41:14So they're talking about this ring and it's so weird that he would do that. and, you know, why is he dangling it over her head? And she's like, well, I mean, I don't even know him that well. I just know what she's told me. And, I mean, I hope he's a good guy. I hope. I would hate to have another reunion having to yell at Vicky about his stupid reputation, man.

41:35Well, Vicky and Michael, or as I like to call them, Michael Vick,

41:40Ben Mandelker: they are making dinner together. There's no Caliente sign in sight, which is a bad, that is, in fact, a bad sign. because only good memories are formed around a Caliente sign. And if there's no Caliente sign, I worry. I worry about the love in this room. Yeah, truly. Or a sign that says, like, kitchen. You know, I guess Venus taking over that role now. So Vicky is talking. She's like, every time I start to talk to you, like, you leave the room. He's like, well, I'm just getting everything done. She's like, oh, okay. That's funny. It's the same reaction I have to you It's crazy It's alert It's contagious So he feeds her a bite of food And she's like oh my god hot hot That burmy tongue you're supposed to blow on it You're supposed to talk to it You're supposed to make sure it doesn't burmy tongue Like what are you doing You want other people to blow on your food That's nasty Yeah you blow on your own food My tongue I wish I knew the Spanish word for it but I forget I wish I had some sort of learning device to tell me what hot mess in Spanish

42:49it's like well i just ate two of them i mean i don't think they were hot well you have a better mouth than me okay wow good for you let's talk about my knee today the doctor bet my knee and i was like whoa there's way and then he said there's no way to fix it without surgery i mean do you think that i should go to surgery what do you think you're a doctor tell me why are you leaving the room why are you going michael circuit surgery circuit surgery on my leg

43:11Ben Mandelker: like well i met with four doctors before i had my knees replaced she's like yeah but the second option would be like doing cameras in the knee sending out the branches of the tree trunk you know like broken on the meniscus and all that stuff and they said well it could last you like 10 or 15 years and i said okay well i'll be 75 85 and probably won't even be alive and so let's do it that way so um yeah she basically met with top top top surgeons and three out of four of them said you probably this you need to have surgery and then one of them was like oh or you can do it this way so she's like i'm gonna do the one that only one person recommended the non-invasive uh high hyaluronic acid physical therapy way which i get that people don't want surgery but i'm kind of like if three different top surgeons say you need to have surgery it's get the surgery yeah i mean i don't i don't know i'm not too averse to surgeries but i just hear hyaluronic acid and i don't believe people because they've been selling that in beauty care and they'll be like oh it's 80 because it's got hyaluronic acid and i'm like mom i'm so old why are you so old what it's like just burn it off but you know i guess it's different in your knee well what if her knees are just like really well moisturized now she's like well i'm still lipping but i put hyaluronic acid in my knees and my knees look 35 so i guess i'm winning ah it is so there She's trying to have this relationship scene with him, and he is over it.

44:43He hates it. I don't even know. He hates being awake. I don't even know what this guy's deal is. He seems miserable. But he also just hates being on camera, which he says. So they sit down with these huge plates of food. Oh, my God. I just found my fucking Apple Pencil. I've been searching for this all over the house. I just ordered a new one. Point is aging. Where was it? Just kidding.

45:07Ben Mandelker: Wait, wait. It was on my desk. Ben. It was literally right in front of me. God damn it. Things just blend in sometimes. Well, I'm grateful to have you. Point is, these plates of food... Yes, I do need to be medicated for my ADD. No, I'm not! I'm just taking hydrologic acid! These plates of food were huge. They were so big. It was a very American plate of food. The steaks were as big as my head, and so were their potatoes. Yeah. That's all I have to say. There. so they're sitting outside and listen you found your pencil you know it just you didn't see it it just sort of blended in it didn't really pop out you should rename it Gina so Michael says you know you talk a big game I'm gonna slow down I'm gonna do it for you I'm gonna slow down but then you take on another job yeah but I have these responsibilities well but then you take on something else and you go you got a podcast and you do something else then you got something else and you got something else I'm like yeah bro she's allowed to do other things then she tells us time is one thing that Michael wants me to have more of but he has no desire to stop working either so whether I pull back from work or not he's not going to have anything to do with that so it's going to be my choice so this guy wants to have a full work schedule but he doesn't want Vicky to have a work schedule this is when I say you can leave we can't live with your desire It's definitely a grumpy asshole.

46:34I couldn't tell what they were even saying because she was saying, you said that in three weeks we would have a life plan discussion. It's three weeks. Are we going to have a life plan discussion? And he's like, well, you won't slow down. So how do we have a life plan discussion? Well, so it just doesn't make any sense to me. Like you're only going to be with somebody if they're not working. That's weird. Who wants that? I don't want somebody not working the hell out of my house if you're not working. That sounds crazy to me. I don't understand what this whole thing is. and then she's like well we need to have a life plan and he said well we're not talking about that tonight she's like well i mean i thought maybe i was in trouble and that's why we're not having a life plan cut to later in the episode why would you think exactly you're reading in front of me because you're saying things like this like if he's making you feel like you're in trouble and he won't even have a conversation with you this is probably not the guy but also this is like not

47:24Ben Mandelker: like a hard conversation like it's one thing when bronwyn was bringing things up with todd on camera and she's like, well, Todd, let's not forget, you were farting on an airplane and looking at nudie pictures and people caught you. And he's like, do we have to discuss this on camera? But here Vicky is just like... You made out with someone while you were farting. Oh my god, that was a classic. But then meanwhile, Vicky's just like, I just want to talk about our life plan. And Michael's like, I'm still mic'd up! I'm leaving! So he just walks away and leaves. And it's like, oh wow, pretty good out.

47:54Probably to the bathroom. He's in the bathroom a lot! Mic out!

48:01Ben Mandelker: So we go to Shannon's house and the scene opens so brilliantly. God, I love these editors. It's just a shot of Shannon standing at her kitchen island, staring sort of down to the floor. And the shot holds. It's like silent. There's no music. It just holds for like seven seconds or it feels like 30 seconds. She's just staring like, well, I guess I will. I guess I'll maybe see if there's yogurt in the fridge. That'll be a fun day. Maybe I can. Maybe the yogurt can be my friend. Maybe I can. I can come home from shooting and talk to the yogurt unless I eat the yogurt. Is it bad to eat your friend?

48:41Well, happy birthday to me. Happy birthday to me. Happy birthday to me. I hate that song. I need to get a better birthday song. what is the loneliest there's still cameras here you guys are still here you getting this you getting this yeah I mean

49:00Ben Mandelker: this is not to make light of a situation but the way that she looked so sad and the way she was just staring down at the floor and then she like gave Archie some food I was like oh no where this is going to be the like like the final chapters of Archie moment is starting now oh god no don't know and i'm not trying to be funny i'm not trying to be funny but because she looked so sad and they cut to archie i thought that's what we were this is what the scene was going to be like oh so i was like oh that's so sad and i was like no it's what it's just shannon what it's like when you're single i'm telling you as someone who's been single for a long time i actually speaking of dogs i got a camera one time to see what bueller was doing while i was gone because he barks too much and this and that and so i put a camera in the living room well this thing is a motion detector and so i was going through the footage later and it's me and my butt crack walking around in my underwear and literally just stopping in the middle of the room i would stop and just stare at a wall or just walk by talking to myself in different housewives for it was the saddest thing i ever saw and eventually i was like i don't even care just rob me i do not want to see this i don't want to see anything ever again i was disturbed It was like a horror movie.

50:13Ben Mandelker: Well, the point is this. That's how sad Shannon looked just standing there at her kitchen island. That I thought that this was going to be a scene about a dog transitioning. And so I was like, wow. It was just so Shannon. Especially because she's been working overtime last season and this season to be like, I'm wacky fun Shannon, top of the board in. And then they catch this great just shot of her. Like, this is why I love Shannon, because her sadness, I'm not happy that she has sadness, but what I love is that she has this, like, raw emotion that she, no matter how hard she tries, it always comes through on the show, and I think that's brilliant.

50:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Because she was probably running around ten minutes before that, like, oh, we're shooting today, Archie, want a treat, Troy, get off of that. Okay, this is so, I'm so happy. And then they're like, okay, are we still shooting? Yep. All right, then. slowly the energy went down and they just got her my solid last two seconds like nature photography Troy obeys the instructor at the school but he doesn't with me it's almost like he doesn't respect me it's almost like I make him dinner every single day and I'm a supportive mother to him and all he does is go out to the beach and walk around with sluts on the beach okay no I'm I love Troy I'm very happy with him ding dong Guess what?

51:39We're surprising you On your birthday, it's television's Heather Dubrow and poor people's Jen

51:48Ben Mandelker: So they enter And it's a What's it called? It's a surprise birthday party, and it's actually a very Cute scene, they just come over just to Celebrate Shannon, and Heather's like, I was really Sad when I heard Shannon Say that she was lonely Well, first I laughed, and then I said, you mean she doesn't have four staff members in there as well? And then I felt bad, and then I laughed again because I thought of Wendy Malick tripping on some lint, because I heard that that happened once. And then I got sad again thinking about Shannon, and I thought, okay, she probably wants a wealthy person to come visit her.

52:27Ben Mandelker: So that's what I've done. No one's lonelier than Park Overall's IMDb. just think of it that way I have to say hell no to this surprise party it's not a surprise party if you all show up at my house and drink out of my glasses and use my plates and get shit all over my clean house this is not a party for me a party for me is like taking me somewhere or having me meet you or something come over to my house you throw me a party but I have to clean up after you well happy fucking birthday surprise actually I'm not even sure it was a surprise, to be honest. I think they actually were all aware. But I just thought it was cute that they just went to her house, and they all sat in her living room, and they all just sat around the sofas.

53:12Ben Mandelker: It was like a very normal gathering of friends. Normal, we're used to them going to Javier's, and doing something like this, whatever. And that's all fun to watch. But there was something about the intimacy of the scene that I did find to be genuinely warm and affecting to me. Well, at least I got some intimacy on my birthday. Thank you, Ben. Thank you for pointing that out. Well, I do have to tell you what happened. You know, I took Sophie out on Saturday night and there was a guy that had a plaid sport coat on. Oh, well, you know, he paid the tap. And then I said, whoa, whoa, I'll contribute something.

53:48I have some old salmon with some cream cheese in my freezer if you want to stop by. And he said, you will never pay for another thing as long as I'm in your life. And then he stuck his tongue down my throat. It was amazing. You know, just casual making out with people in plaid jackets, you know.

54:03Ben Mandelker: and then he said you can't spell plaid without an i and i said what do you mean i didn't spell p-l-a-d-d he said no it's p-l-a-i-d and i said oh i didn't realize he goes and the i was supposed to be me i'm trying to say i'm in your life and you're the plaid in this example and i said i'm not following anymore he said okay whatever let's just kiss and i said sure i'm still not following though ladies it's been in my head ever since the restaurant called me yesterday and said why didn't you pay the bill i said the guy in plaid paid it and i said he gave you the employee discount so that was embarrassing but i did make out with a waiter so i i didn't realize i was at a scottish themed bennegan's but it's okay i uh it was a great time

54:50wow well um shannon's tonguing people down in public i mean apparently she's not so lonely now She doesn't go downtown, though. I've encouraged her to go downtown. She's not there yet. She's not at the blowjob stage yet, but we'll get there. Give her a minute. She just met the plaid jacket guy.

55:09Ben Mandelker: Lord. Shadden has a very reasonable response. I'm not a hooker! But I've got some game, okay? I've got a hooker-type game, you know? Oh, like Carmela. Yeah, perhaps. I would normally be mad at that Except I need Carmella to be my friend So she is actually my sister from Francho Santa Rancho By the way, I ordered a Pizza That's what fun girls get in the city Did you know that Some people just call it Za Isn't that cool Za, like the first two letters of your favorite jewelry store Well, here it comes Here are the delivery people Hi It's like, well, Gina as a pizza delivery person is too real. It's not even funny.

56:00I believe that more than Gina being a realtor.

56:04Ben Mandelker: Look, everyone. We have the privilege of meeting the Noid in person. You no longer have to avoid it. Pizza, pizza. Am I right? We got a pizza. Lonely person delivery. Oh, Shannon. Hey, we got this pizza from I feel B. I hope you enjoy it. We got three extra large ones. Why? I don't know. But you're alone. So you should put them in the fridge and just eat like five pieces a day forever. I am shocked that everybody is here and that they brought pizza when I have so much salmon in my freezer. I mean, there was a lot of inventory left over from real for real. But I, you know, I'm the one that throws the surprise party.

56:53Ben Mandelker: So it certainly was not what I was expecting. It's overwhelming. I'm not, I don't even think I have enough seating. So I guess this was a surprise party. It was nice of them to not pay for more than a pizza for my surprise when we've given so much for everyone else's surprise parties. Wow. I mean, I do love a surprise. And this is definitely a better surprise than them bringing Alexis Bellino. So I guess I should be happy about that. can I get you something decent party guests of the party that I didn't plan no it's your party we brought pizza we vote for you single people vote sad people vote I'm just very overwhelmed by this pizza it's very special thank you I love I love a big circle of things that are full of toxins that's what pizza is for me so okay congratulations you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap for part two go look for the recap that says part two see you over there suckers watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alison king our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious it's amanda foster it's always automatic with ashley auto put your hands together for Carly Clapp.

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