#3532 Next Gen NYC S2E012 Part One: Love ‘Em and Liam

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1:53Ben Mandelker: Watch what crappens, who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Watch what crappens, who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on a very, very important crappens day is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how are you? hello how you doing ben i am doing great and uh i'm especially great because uh for two reasons one next gen season finale was so good we're about to recap that but number two our tickets are finally on sale for our in the mix tour in the mix all crevins is in the mix we are going back out on tour and it starts sooner than you would think it starts actually in october which is basically three weeks away here is the schedule all ticket links are on our website watchourcrappins.com the only ticket link that is not there is going to be charleston because that's part of a comedy festival and the comedy festival has to put up their links first and then we will put up our link.

3:11Ben Mandelker: But here is the full tour. And listen for your city. This is like when I was a kid listening for the delays and snow day cancellations on the radio in the morning. But here we go. October 3rd, Kansas City. October 4th, Chicago. October 17th, Minneapolis. October 18th, Detroit. November 5th is Philadelphia. November 7th, DC. November 12th, Dallas, November 13th, Austin, November 15th, Houston, December 8th, Nashville, December 9th, Clearwater, Florida, December 10th, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, January 9th, San Francisco, January 23rd, Salt Lake City, January 24th is Denver, January 27th is Charleston, that's that comedy festival I just mentioned, January 28th is Atlanta, February 4th, Seattle, February 5th, Vancouver, February 7th, Portland, February 20th, Toronto, 21st, February 21st, Boston.

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4:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah, come see it. Also, this week in New York, I'm going to be doing Monday the 14th. I'm sorry, I'm all over the place today. Monday the 14th, I'll be doing a dinner cruise for, what are they called? I'm sorry, I'm sick today and my brain is even worse than usual. It's City Cruises. It's going to be with Hannah Farrier and Austin from Southern Charm. we're going to be doing a dinner cruise around the city. I'm just going to interview those guys. It's a great time. It's dinner. It's a show. It's hugs. So come see us. It's going to be this Monday, September 14th. You can get tickets over. You can get tickets and links over at Hannah and Austin's Instagram, Lincoln bios.

5:35Ronnie Karam: Okay. See you there very soon, New York city and everybody for the tour. It's a fun stuff. A lot of stuff coming up here. A lot of getting out of the house and taking showers.

5:45Ben Mandelker: putting on clothes i know shaving it's very difficult well um next gen new york city this is this season finale i loved the season finale i was also very surprised i was gagged and gooped as they say and um uh it reminded me of like a john hughes movie or something like that

6:06Ronnie Karam: what did you think about this finale um which john hughes movie i don't know like all of them

6:13Ben Mandelker: I sort of had that feeling of like, even though they're not in high school, it kind of felt like this group of kids. Some of them are hooking up and one girl is balancing between like the bad boy and the nerd and the rich kid from the fried chicken dynasty. Classic John Hughes, you know. And I don't know, the way they just all sort of like clustered in together at a bar and just, I don't know. There was something like very heartwarming to me, about it to me. like normally I think on a different show I'd be like Ariana is so selfish I mean look at her I mean she's with Liam and they're supposed to be exclusive and then she's making out with Charlie and then there's like she just like all she wants is male attention but this time I'm like oh this is just so sweet and romantic I was fully like whatever I fully fell hook line and sinker for what for the editing I don't care

7:07Ronnie Karam: I you know I enjoyed it because I I'm judgmental about the stuff you know like when you hear somebody say oh we're exclusive but that doesn't really mean anything except we're not dating other people but we're exclusive but we're not boyfriend girlfriend I mean when you're older you know codes for that which basically means what are you just gonna get cheated on like this isn't yeah it's kind of the below deck thing like let's keep this a secret no if somebody ever says shit like that it's not going to work from either side. And then Charlie, you know that Charlie's just using Ariana. You know he is for screen time.

7:43Ronnie Karam: And frankly, you know that Liam's just using her for screen time too. It's not like he's coming off a whole lot better in that department. And it seems like she doesn't really care about either one of them. Like she's just using them to kind of maybe get back at Hudson or keep Hudson on his toes. Or maybe just as a good old-fashioned break because she's been with that guy since she was, you know, a child. so I don't know I didn't really believe in a lot of the relationships going on but you know you don't have to believe it doesn't always have to be true love and marriage and all that so I was enjoying watching it for sure but I'm really glad that we ended the episode with finding out that Charlie is a user piece of shit yes and she knew because that would have made me crazy if they ended it on this like lovey dovey oh she's just with good old Charlie now let's see how it works out

8:33Ben Mandelker: I know I thought like that I did enjoy that too as much as I enjoy enjoyed their kiss it's not even that I'm like I'm not like quote-unquote shipping them like I don't care about Ariana and Charlie I just felt like the scene it seemed to mirror so much of those 80s movies that I just was happy I was happy because it took me back to the 80s but I don't actually inherently care about them and I think it's a bad choice on her part. And I loved that when she found out, oh, he used religion to lure me in, I was like, well, that's what you get. That's what you get for A, being so naive about the religion in the first place.

9:14Ben Mandelker: And also like, it's Charlie, what did you expect would happen, you dumbass? But then in that moment when they kissed, I was happy, but I was also happy that she got married.

9:22Ronnie Karam: When people talk about Jesus and the whole like, oh my God, he lured me in by saying he was with Jesus. what part of the bible is like hanging with three people at the same at the same time i mean the bible i don't know maybe it's just different parts of the bible that i was personally traumatized by but i'm like uh i don't think any i don't think going to someone's house for coke at two in the morning is in the bible yeah either ariana you know i've got bad news for you people will often

9:50Ben Mandelker: use religion to pursue ulterior motives so uh it's crazy wait until you hear about politics

9:57Ronnie Karam: wait until you hear

10:02Ben Mandelker: so anyway um let's start at the top of the episode um it's the holidays everything's happening in the city it's fun and um ava is uh is saying they're still talking about how where we left off last episode which is that a few of them went to charlie's place like 2am to smoke a joint, but then Liam didn't go in because he went to walk the dogs. So Ava's like, I can't claim to understand what Liam's thought process was. I mean, he must not like the girl that much if you're going to drop her off at some other guy's house.

10:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and you told me you love me last week? I mean, what? You're not even going to get shot last? Ariana. And Liam's like, yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't think I made a mistake going to Charlie's. I'm not going to Charlie's. I didn't want to go. I'm not going to go. I don't do shit I want to do, which is

10:54Ben Mandelker: most everything. As he lights up a candy cigarette. I'm a tough guy. Yeah, holding his little baby toy Oscar. I don't have to. So I think something that's going around is that people discovered that his mom ran Nickelodeon for a few years. She was an executive over there, and then she actually ran the network, which makes so much sense because he really is like a Nickelodeon star. like when they yes he's like he's like a kid in a leather jacket being like i'm deaf i'm dead i'm a real man and i'm like you are 12 and then he keeps getting slimed

11:32Ronnie Karam: this is very nickelodeon and you know she was head of nickelodeon during some pretty problematic times don't know if anybody's watched the dan schneider documentary but

11:43Ben Mandelker: i didn't i did not watch that but i did work at a lot of times

11:47Ronnie Karam: oh nickelodeon well you know all the stuff that happened at nickelodeon there was a lot of abuse

11:51Ben Mandelker: i mean where i worked it was i was in the generic i was like in the marketing area i was an intern for the nickelodeon brand creative group and um we had a we had a meeting once about how nickelodeon owns orange which was so fun we just this guy came in he's like okay everyone one thing about nickelodeon is we own orange like it's copyright like orange is us i I was like, okay. And then I remember there were actually – Wrong words for lack of word. Well, it was a different kind of orange. And then it was a great internship. It was the sort of internship where they actually wanted their interns to learn and grow and then actually become part of Nickelodeon.

12:33Ben Mandelker: So I just remember they brought me into a meeting once. And they were planning out promos for the – was it the Kids' Choice Awards? and they were going to have NSYNC be at the Kids Choice Awards. And they were like, what should we do? Like, what about, I'll just always remember this. They go, okay, what about, what if we have NSYNC in a sink? Like we'll build a sink and we'll put NSYNC in the sink. And we'll be like, guys, it's NSYNC in a sink. And everyone's like, that's amazing. That's genius. And everyone loved it. They all wanted to go with it. I just will always remember that. And I actually really liked the idea myself, but I've always remembered NSYNC in a sink and just like all these corporate types just like losing their minds over it what a time to be alive can i tell you did nsync just say no to that or i don't think it ever made it past and i don't think i've made it past that that point but there you go there you go everyone i've just pulled back the curtain at the nickelodeon brand creative groups process in the year 2000 also how are you

13:35Ronnie Karam: gonna see them i don't know i wish i was in that meeting so the camera would be above this thing If you're going to make a giant sink for NSYNC to be in, won't you just see the top of their heads coming out? Like, how big is the sink? And then if the sink has an opening in the front, won't that let the water out if you ever need to do giant dishes? Like, let's think this through. Well, I had a real bone to pick with NSYNC at those days because that Nickelodeon, my office was at 16-something or another.

14:02Ben Mandelker: It was in Times Square. like it was it was several floors above trl and in sync it came to trl one day because bye bye dropped and i went i had to go down into the lobby to go to the mail room and in sync it walked into the lobby and a security guard they were like it's in sync and the security guard literally shoved me into violently into an elevator and i was like sent off to some random floor and i was like, this is outrageous. I was shoved by NSYNC.

14:33Ronnie Karam: I was one of the people in the meeting for the sync idea. NSYNC in a sync. You're about to be

14:41Ben Mandelker: NSYNC in the NSYNC-erator.

14:45Ronnie Karam: Well, I'll tell you what I've been calling them, instincts.

14:49Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Well, great to get that off my chest years later. And now I've said it. i know i was pushing an elevator that's great well uh ariana is saying that going to their

15:03Ronnie Karam: house late night without leon was no big deal guys they just ordered a pizza and it was like yeah pizza she's like yeah pizza and yeah then ariana makes the sign of the cross they're like why are you making the sign of the cross and she's like no reason what did you do what did you why are you questioning me what did you do what did i do what did you do and um yeah i mean

15:25Ben Mandelker: And Ariana's obviously very religious. I mean, how could you not be when Kim Zolciak is your mother? She's like a woman of God and teaching godly things to all her children.

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17:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they have a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts. And it is really the perfect thing to turn on when you're taking a long drive, washing some dishes. Like, enrich yourself.

17:21Ronnie Karam: New members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash WWC. So, Ava. Yeah, they're doing great over there. Yeah, they're killing it. I remember when it was. Go ahead.

17:37Ben Mandelker: No, I was going to say the way that she and Croy are separating is just really beautifully godlike.

17:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, super, super Christian. I remember when she was first rumored to have lost all of her money and she was going to all the places gambling all of Corey's money away at nickel machines and shit like that. And that's when everything started to crumble. It's like Kim went through all of this money gambling and doing all this shit. And then Kim came out on Instagram trying to sell like Bible workshops where she was like, okay, you can be a member now of my religion, you know, Christianity. It's new. We're coming out with it. We're going to do Bible studies. And you would sign up and subscribe to have Kim lead you through religion.

18:20Ronnie Karam: I died. I died. And then I did come back to life. It was actually pretty holy. But wow.

18:30Ben Mandelker: The balls on these people. She's a vessel. She's a vessel for the Holy Spirit. We can't choose our vessels. We just have to accept them. Well. Okay. Yeah. Ariana. Ariana's doing a TikTok and Hudson is, he texts saying that he's excited to see the dogs because he's coming to town and he's telling, and then Hudson's texting Charlie saying he's coming to town and he's like still mad that he got kicked out of the group chat, you know? It's tough being Hudson. First you blow up your Lambo, then you get kicked out of the group chat. Man. What's life really?

19:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, what is it? And so the producers say to Charlie, well you had a fleeing with or you're you're flirting with ariana but you're still friends with hudson what's the scoop and he's like yeah i mean just i mean it's just like so it's a weird you know so many weird awkward dynamics my life is basically like uh curb your enthusiasm it's like larry david and curb your your life is nothing like larry and curb your enthusiasm you're being an annoying person why do annoying people across the world say shit like that they're like wow i'm an annoying person that no one's no one likes it's just like larry david larry david

19:42Ben Mandelker: is hilarious but also no one like that's not a compliment to be considered larry david he doesn't do anything right on that show i feel like charlie's life is more like curb your employment because that's something that he doesn't seem to have ever had um so then uh charlie's not facetiming with shy and charlie's like hey i was the rest of your night bro and she's like i mean it was good i mean i dropped ava off and then like i went home and i'm like i mean it's like crazy like i can see your face on this phone like what this is crazy have we always been able to do this like i don't even know what facetime is what oh but i think you should ask ava about what happened last night i'm not gonna say anything i mean i don't even know what happened like i literally

20:18Ronnie Karam: don't know i'm crazy well what huh did you fuck ava last night would you fuck her did you do that and he's like oh well you need to ask ava pretty crazy i don't know so over at ariana's apartment

20:31Ben Mandelker: and now she's FaceTiming with Ava. And she's like, I'm calling so we can figure out this next chapter party. And Ava's like, I'm so excited. It's like, yeah, I know, me too. I can really hear it in your voice that you're as excited as I am. So they're going to throw a party. It's going to be like next chapters slash sort of a New Year's party. And Ariana's like, if you would have told me three months ago that we would be throwing a party together, I probably would have said you're fucking crazy. But now look,

21:00Ronnie Karam: we're throwing a yeah we're throwing a party together and they're gonna invite hudson too because he's part of the friend group so we go to iheartmedia and uh she is walking down the iheart hallway and she's doing a tiktok she's like i've got an exciting guest coming on my podcast today Guess who it is? It's Amira. Welcome to Casual Chaos. You're an icon. What's it like being an icon?

21:34Ben Mandelker: Do you ever get annoyed when the mouse clicks on you? It's like, um, I'm not that kind of icon. It's a different thing, Gia. Oh, Casual Chaos.

21:45Ronnie Karam: You get sick of people praying to you? That's a religious icon.

21:53Ronnie Karam: so um yeah basically do you get sick of being my dad's confession my dad's confession to the police no that's icon all right g are you ever gonna get anything right here what was it like what was it like having the odyssey shown on you that's imax oh my god i'm gonna call you on you That's an iPhone. Okay, you know what? Let's just move past this. Let's just get past the intro.

22:23Ben Mandelker: They have a nice conversation. Gia's asking questions about, you know, walls that have been broken, etc. And Amira's basically saying that her mom, her parents are super supportive. Her mom has been supportive and they've just been great and she doesn't know, you know, like she would have been able to live the life that she leads and be so happy if it weren't for her parents, which is really nice.

22:47Ronnie Karam: i guess that was a boring interview hey what made you you i love my mom okay ff ff i need some i need i need more gossip for this in this casual chaos yeah speaking of which we now go to candy

23:01Ben Mandelker: burris and candy is performing and juliet on broadway and so riley goes to see her mom and she's like honestly it's a little weird having my mom live here because my mom is on stage in new york for a while but she's always working so it's not like we can hang out all the time that's riley's insight

23:25Ronnie Karam: we don't live in the same place so we don't really i don't know maybe we don't see each other as much as we did when we lived in the same house it's pretty crazy candy shows her backstage and the stage they really give her full access to the and juliet experience and Anne Riley. What's that?

23:44Ben Mandelker: I said Anne Riley. Because she's visiting. Anne Julia. Anne Riley. It's a play on words. I'm going to talk about it when I'm on G.S. Podcast again. What was it like doing the play on words with Ronnie?

23:59Ronnie Karam: It was all because of my mother. I'll tell you that right now. So Candy is like, well, you know, I always tell you fear equals failure. And now I'm not afraid. And so I'm on Broadway. I've overcome the fear. And that's what actors do. Charlie's just nodding. It's like, yeah, got it. Yeah, me too. It's an equity best. Standing room. We're standing room. Yeah.

24:26Ben Mandelker: Places. Five minutes of places. Thank you, places. Sometimes I like to play both parts.

24:31Ronnie Karam: Let's go to Le Petit Village, where Liam's eating with his mother, Seema. This is my favorite scene, I think. Listen, I love a mother scene, especially when a mom's not just an ass-kissy mom on camera. Because a lot of the moms are like, oh my god, I'm so proud of you. Like, literally, all I do is think about you and how great you are. Because I made you. And look at you. You're doing great. And her mom's not really like that. She's like, any updates from the festivals? Well, yeah, you know, the Sundance thing was a fucker. She's like, yeah, yeah. I knew. That was a really long shot. Let's be honest.

25:02Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, yeah, I knew it was 50-50. She's like, ha ha. Right. It was more like a frog's ass chance of being open in the water. Zero. You like the way I inverted that word? Zero chance, Charlie.

25:19Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, it's more like one in a million, sweetheart. I love it. I like it. I like that she was an executive because she's now like, well, I don't have anyone to boss around, so I'll just boss around my son. So Liam is like, yeah, found out my movie Carrera. Didn't get into Sundance Too bad I thought it was pretty cool That scene where I Hugged a girl And she drove off At the gas station Oh well Maybe next year Tell you right I'll see you there Golden Lion Watch out I'm coming for you Venice Yeah Move over Move over Ellen Burst And I don't care about Your tribute Because guess what Carrera's coming to town

25:58Ronnie Karam: Alright well it's a good movie Okay But it's not breaking any molds It's no Blair Witch Okay It's no iCarly In movie form. Trust me. I know art.

26:09Ben Mandelker: You think Hannah Montana discovered herself? No. I did. Have you ever thought about putting on certain geometric shorts? Maybe making yourself look a little bit more yellow. Maybe shooting it under the water. I don't know. These are just things that are floating around my brain to make it a little bit more provocative.

26:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah, my mom worked in the entertainment industry. She was an executive. She took control of the network, made it what it was for the first time. And you know what? My dad was on the production side of things, and they give notes. I don't always take the notes. Maybe I should take the notes. I told her about the plot of my film Carrera, and she said, make it about twins living in a high rise. Make them 12. Yeah, I don't know. It just sounded inappropriate, but maybe I should have. She was like, hey, have you considered having Hoku do the soundtrack?

27:03Ben Mandelker: And I was like, what? She goes, and what about if it's snowing and all the kids have to stay at home and Chevy Chase is there? And I said, Mom, what are you talking about? She says, I don't know, just having some out-of-the-box thoughts about Carrera. And you know what? I listened and I did it and I still got rejected from Sundance.

27:19Ronnie Karam: I want every interior scene in this film to be orange. It's the only way it's going to work.

27:24Ben Mandelker: She said, what about if you take the entire movie with Carrera and put it in a sink? Just build a big sink and the movie takes place in a sink.

27:35Ronnie Karam: then then your main character meets a band an old band and they're saying please give us another chance we'll do the sink thing please we're begging you and then your character can say no we gave you your fucking chance and you put you pushed our favorite pa into a wall then you turn on the water you flush them down the sink you turn on the garbage disposal they're dead all right then a shot of the backstreet boys on a backstreet okay i think that will be actually much easier to film okay let's do backstreet boys so anyway seama's like okay well listen honey

28:12Ben Mandelker: everything can't be easy right by the way i love the way this scene was shot so beautifully they're sitting by the windows of this restaurant it does like a golden glow on them and they're they're shooting it from the outside so we're looking in so it's already very artful and it's I love the way they shot it. And I loved how Seema was also kind of like, okay, kid, your father and I gave you a few thousand dollars to shoot your little short film. Now you got to get some real lessons, okay? You thought we were supporting you. We were actually setting you up for failure so you finally knew what failure was, okay?

28:44Ben Mandelker: We were lying when we said one out of two things gets into Sundance. It's one out of 50 million, okay? And guess what? Everything can't be easy. You know, you're charming. you're a good human being but everything that you are you know that that you're really good at has been easy you just have never really grinded at anything

29:04Ronnie Karam: like no no you're right i was lazy with acting i mean even you know even mariska told me i was i was lazy with acting she's like and now you're almost 30 now what are you gonna do look at you geez where's the freshness gone am i right if the food inspector came in here right now he would slap a B on your head and say, not fresh.

29:27Ben Mandelker: Look, honey, we put you in a million different Nickelodeon shows and you still haven't popped. So it's time to start thinking about that. Going from a volunteer firefighter to maybe making it just like paid firefighter.

29:38Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, there's part of me that's like, well, what was I doing for 25 years? Know what I mean? And she's like, yeah, from five on, that's when you started worrying about it. Because I started worrying about it when you were two. I said, this boy is lazy and doesn't really have a spark, you know, but I don't want to mess with your timeline. Okay. I believe in you being able to grift off of my money till you die. Okay. Are we doing anything else here? I guess I'm getting the bill, huh? Okay. Bring the bill to mommy. This one's not working ever. We're celebrating him not getting into Sundance.

30:14Ronnie Karam: Okay.

30:16Ben Mandelker: Well, at least you got a girl who really likes you a lot. I won't be kissing anyone else. Okay, son. Great talk.

30:21Ronnie Karam: This has been great. Go ahead and pull that rope, busboy. You just get slimed. All right, it was good to see you, son. Call me when you've made an effort.

30:31Ben Mandelker: Here, I got you a little orange blimp. It says Nickelodeon on it. Oh, I'm sorry. It says Phalolodeon. It's for you.

30:42Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Bond Street, and Candy and Riley are getting dinner. and uh she's saying it's candy saying it's her first time doing a two-show day and then they move into divorce and she's like i didn't even know people were going to care like this i can't believe it was such a big deal and then we see people on social media being like oh my god todd and candy divorcing what am i going to do with my life this is the most shocking thing

31:06Ben Mandelker: that's ever happened to me did you watch the show or yeah blood um did you see that todd released a trailer for his documentary about what it's like to go through divorce did you see this trailer

31:21Ronnie Karam: oh is that a documentary i saw that he released something and it's a todd tucker film he's like guys so difficult going through divorce and i know it's not just me which is why i made a todd

31:34Ben Mandelker: tucker film about it divorcing with candy it's like i think it's trying to sort of like strike that tone of like breaking bonaduce or something like that like one of those like real serious like this is what i'm going through i'm taught this is what i'm going through so he like talks with ralph and he talks with dennis and he talks with um there's someone else i forget who he talked the other person is that he talks to but like all the real luminaries of that hang around atlanta the cast and um it's like the documentary is him just like pondering things it's like is this what it is or i give so much you know it's obviously very flattering to him i was blindsided i didn't know this was gonna happen but it's also so schlocky and it's so bad and it's so like student filmy like it's it's it sort of reminds me of something someone would make just throw up on youtube and i say this as someone who makes things and throws them up on youtube and um it just is so mortifying and i'm like todd you were such a hack and you were married to someone who is a legit successful creator who knows what she's doing and that you didn't take any lessons from her on how to be better and to grow your craft and you just took her money and now you've made this stupid-ass documentary to make us feel bad for you.

32:55Ben Mandelker: Sir, you've lived a very privileged life for 10 years and you should enjoy what you had and now go back to running cameras.

33:04Ronnie Karam: It would be terrible if any of us thought that you were capitalizing on your marriage to candy or just there for the money. It's crazy. I hate for people to think that about you, Todd. It's like the first second you get, and you're like, I'm going to try and make some money off of this.

33:19Ben Mandelker: Loser. By fellow sympathetic souls, Ralph Pittman and Dennis. Oh, geez. Yeah, it's a real...

33:27Ronnie Karam: People in the comments... People in the comments were like,

33:32Ben Mandelker: where's Peter Thomas? Why don't you round out the all-star cast? where's Apollo where's Bob yeah seriously so Candy's like what they think of me and what they think about this situation is not my business we're trying to figure out the best way for us to not be together but still come together so she says they're still going to do things as a family for like Christmas Eve and Todd's invited and they're still a family and we're still connected so that's what we can all do but I feel like after this documentary comes out I'm not sure that i'm not sure that this will still be the case yeah riley is saying she might move back

34:12Ronnie Karam: to atlanta to be closer to the family because she didn't even know this stuff was happening and she would have known if she was there but even if you were there and and knew about it it's still going to happen you know so she talks about being a child of divorce and how much it sucks and uh candy asked her to try out some korean on her which riley actually knows she can do it yeah She can speak pretty well. I mean, I don't know Korean, so I don't know how good it was. But I was like, wow, another language. I was like, oh, my God.

34:41Ben Mandelker: She's really fluent. She says like one sentence. We're like, wow. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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37:06Ben Mandelker: And Rowan and Charlie and Ava are making gingerbread houses, which is cute. It's weird also that Charlie is there and that he's making a gingerbread house. I'm sure his, like, I wish they had cut to Charlie's dad up in his penthouse somewhere making the most beautiful, pristine, well-engineered gingerbread house that could support four floors. Yeah.

37:33Ronnie Karam: How was your gingerbread house? Oh, it's been over? An actual elevator in there. It's like, oh, look at you in your little tiny gingerbread house. You can hardly hear my disappointment of me standing up here on the top floor,

37:47Ben Mandelker: the 42nd floor. Ooh. Oh, Charlie, did the roof cave in on your gingerbread house yet again? Oh, it's becoming a metaphor for my hopes for you. Okay.

38:00Ronnie Karam: Hey, do you remember Tiny Person in Tiny Gingerbread House when you thought that dyeing your eyebrows would change your lifestyle? Ha ha ha ha ha. That was hilarious.

38:11Ben Mandelker: My gingerbread house works out. Do you work out? No, I don't think so.

38:18Ronnie Karam: so charlie's house does look really good but then it you know it folds like a house of cards like a house of cards so now they're gossiping about what happened last night and charlie's like yeah i mean i talked to shy last night and he was like uh yeah i'm i'm coming with liam ariana avon me and i was just like bro i'm back on avop he's like no he didn't it's like no

38:41Ben Mandelker: i swear i swear he told me before i i was like i was like oh dog like get over here like we'll talk. She's like, what? He said I'm Macdon Ava. What is this, the 70s? Who says that?

38:53Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, do you want me to speak on your tea, or do you want to speak on your tea? Someone speak on tea.

39:00Ben Mandelker: No.

39:02Ronnie Karam: Poor Rowan.

39:05Ben Mandelker: I say, poor Rowan. She's just sitting there getting all the frosting on her hands, making a little wigwam of gingerbread while they're just talking, having a scene. I always feel like Rowan's like, I feel like I'm on this show, but no one's really interacting with me like this. I feel like I'm just observing a lot of crazy people around me.

39:26Ronnie Karam: Rowan's like, nobody's taking this icing, right? I'm just going to throw this in my purse. It's dinner later. Chicken salad with icing. So she's like, whatever. I made out with Shia. We made out in Charlie's kitchen, and that was it. It's a big deal. I don't good why didn't Liam go to your house Charlie's like ha that's the question I don't know he just dropped everyone off went home and walked Ariana's fucking dogs bro so it's different it's different

39:56Ben Mandelker: so then we go back to Liam and his mom and Sima's like so how is Ariana good I really like her guess what my fingers are crossed behind my back haha stupid and you're a completely different stage of your life I mean she's younger than you you know she's like yeah I know I know, I know I got a lot of wisdom in this old noggin which by the way, noggin, spin off of Nickelodeon at one point, remember that, ma? and so Seema's like, yeah I mean, I don't know why you're rolling your eyes though, and he's like, yeah just because I know she's younger than me and I understand that, I understand being 24 in New York City, like you want to go party you want to like, do all these things, I gotta be honest I get scared because I like I wear my heart on my sleeve, I trust people like she's 24 how old is he 27 28 he's 30 is he really 30 yeah i think he's 30 because that's his age is charlie okay he is now 30 yes he is born in 1996 but still like if you're 29 and someone's 24 he's acting like there's like three decades between them like we're a real Nicholson and Flynn Boyle.

41:09Ronnie Karam: I think it is bigger when you're that age. When I was 23, I dated a 29-year-old, and I was like, this guy is so old. I was like, yeah, I've got a real sugar daddy here. I was like, I hope he's okay. I hope his health is okay for the length of our relationship. And it doesn't start deteriorating. Well, there's something when you're that young. Yeah, a few years older does seem a lot older. So I was like, whoa, old man, you okay there? Watch your step He's like, yeah, I can walk into the restaurant Okay Are you sure? Just want to make sure you're okay there

41:45Ronnie Karam: I'm dating an octogenarian, you guys He's like so old But hopefully he can support us and our children When the time comes So She's like, well, what are you afraid of, kid? And he's like, I'm afraid to get hurt again, mom I just don't like getting hurt And if I am going to get hurt I really want to be there to remember my feelings about it so I can use it in my next project. Know what I mean?

42:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, man. When my last time my heart was broken, it was almost like getting lemon in the face. Man, I hope I don't get hurt like that again, especially in the next 45 minutes of airtime.

42:26Ronnie Karam: So Ava is telling Charlie, what were you doing while I was making out with Shy? And he's like, oh, I was talking to Ariana on the couch. talking to talking to possibly fucking maybe she's pregnant i don't know did i say that i didn't mean to say i was totally kidding but whatever probably fucking he was like did you

42:41Ben Mandelker: guys kiss he's like what no stop what why are you on my dick about this what what can we talk about bitcoin what this is crazy no what so then liam's i can't believe that i tell everybody over

42:50Ronnie Karam: and over that i fucked ariana and now they're all asking me if i fucked ariana it's so weird you You guys are such weird people.

42:58Ben Mandelker: Crazy, bro. So then Liam's like, well, ma, I know it's not my ex, but it reminded me of it, the situation. And it made me go, oh, fuck. Here we go again, right, ma? Because the last one, she would go out, and I wouldn't hear from her. And she's like, PTSD, mom. PTSD from dating iCarly. So the mom's like, yeah, whatever. You know the mom's totally unimpressed about any of this. she's like whatever this is not a real relationship why are you why are you in a twist about it just have fun go have sex and you know be a kid yeah so ava is still talking to

43:38Ronnie Karam: charlie and she's like do you like ariana what do you think of ariana he's like i don't know shut up like stop asking me about it it's crazy also hudson's in town now so that's gonna be fucking fun she's like why are you his friend but you're also flirting with ariana oh that is the question so now let's go to jersey city at gia's apartment gia's talking to joe who cares like so what i don't care fucking joe yes all right i don't fucking care about nothing well you got a dog what is that a dog you got what were you letting your dog sleep with you that's stupid dogs are dirty they're filthy creatures you're gonna get a parasite or some shit

44:12Ben Mandelker: yeah dogs live is like poison anyway so uh what else been going over there okay she's like well christian's been filming a little bit and it's been funny because he literally reminds me of you because I'm sure you weren't used to it at first. Like, what? No, what? I mean, I used to do it because of your mother. But otherwise, I wouldn't do it, you know? I prefer if I'm going to say the F word, I'm going to say it in private, you know? So she's like, yeah, but there's like obviously downsides, which we know about. It's like, yeah, I mean, you pee. And, you know, you pee on your pants. And like, you know what?

44:40Ben Mandelker: You watch and you see what you do because they'll just put that out there, you know? Like, if you just like go out on a phone in the middle of like some hedges and call your wife the C word, like, they'll put that on TV. Isn't that crazy?

44:51Ronnie Karam: yeah yeah you happen to be driving down the street with the license that ain't yours but you're saying it's yours and a tree comes up and attacks your car and the cops come guess what the cameras are gonna get that it's fucking ridiculous so have fun with that gia with your fucking

45:06Ben Mandelker: poisonous dog being in the public eye i def it definitely is a sensitive topic and i mean we're still trying to figure out how to like we're going to proceed going forward you know um and the producer's like cut to the spin-off married with 19 children because oh my god like that's not happening um we all know that that will happen sadly we're gonna have this family bloodline for a

45:33Ronnie Karam: long time on bravo yeah so rowan's apartment we see a little puppy on the couch and ariana and Rowan are doing confessional together. And Rowan's like, we're fostering a new dog. My mom has always said she wanted something just like Carrie Redd, so we're getting my mom a dog. It's going to be a very famous person's dog. My mom's huge.

45:56Ben Mandelker: She's like, I know, but I'm like, mom, you're not Demi Moore. You just have the same hair. Okay? She's also like definitely allergic to dogs. It's like the saliva of dogs or something like that. And then they cut to Joji does be like watch out for the saliva of dogs it's a very anti-dog saliva episode yeah what's up what's up dogs are really getting it in this episode so then rowan is on facetime with her dad

46:19Ronnie Karam: chris and uh she's like dad i got a job as a booking producer so it's like journalism basically but there's like a world i could be an entertainment journalist but you know this way i could be like a real news person and they could be like oh breaking news get the pa you know it could happen dad. He's like, yeah, I'm actually working over here. Okay. Did you finish off the icing from that weird party you went to? It's still on your face.

46:47Ben Mandelker: Cut to 60 minutes. Like, hello, this is Rowan Brookshield's daughter, and I'm reporting to you live from the chicken plant of southern Missouri. These chickens, these rotisserie chickens are being mass produced, but the quality is yet to be determined. That's why I, Rowan Brookshield's daughter, will be taking one home and be doing some on-the-field testing. I have a large bag and I'm taking three Ritches with Chickens home. I will report back to you, Leslie Sahl. Thank you.

47:14Ronnie Karam: So Georgia and Prez are taking a pedicap through the city and she's like, yeah, I basically know Sama because I walked in the parade. I was like a candy cane girl. So we're friends. You know who didn't ask me to wash my hands? Sama.

47:31Ben Mandelker: And Amir is doing a photo shoot for Marie. Marie Claire. Marie Claire. Or as they would say at the Detroit International Airport. Oh, is Marie Claire available? Marie Claire flight? Okay, American Airlines passenger, Marie Claire. So Amira's like -

47:49Ronnie Karam: Marie Claire, the entire flight is boarded. If you don't get your little tutor over here, we're closing the doors on you. And then guess what you're going to be? Marie scared, okay? Because you're not going to have a flight out of here. You're going to come up here. You're going to say, can I get another flight? And I'm going to say no, because I have a microphone. I've been announcing your name for over an hour. Where you been? One of the rocking chairs. Those will get you every time.

48:11Ben Mandelker: Paging American Airlines passenger Mary Clear. Your flight to Delaware is about to depart at gate 23. So please get over here. So that way you do not miss your flight to Delaware. That's American Airlines passenger Mary Clear.

48:25Ronnie Karam: Mary Clear for Delaware. What am I rapping right now? I'm not rapping. It's an actual name and an actual flight. Okay

48:35Ben Mandelker: Paging American Airlines Passenger Mary Clear We believe that you left your peer At the ticketing gate so would you please Come over and claim your peer If you dare Mary Clear

48:47Ronnie Karam: Come to Delaware And claim your peer

48:51Ben Mandelker: Paging American Airlines passenger Mary Clear we just want to let you know That we found a lower fear for you For your flight to Delaware Just don't forget to pick up your peer at the desk

49:00Ronnie Karam: If you dare

49:02Ben Mandelker: If you dare.

49:04Ronnie Karam: So Mira's telling us she's shooting and she's like, it's so glamorous. Like, I'm just so excited to be here. The only problem is I'm barfing everywhere because I'm violently ill. So we see her running to the bathroom to barf. And then she keeps going back in and she's like, but I can do this. She's like throwing her legs up in the air.

49:24Ben Mandelker: She's like doing all these poses, which are very bold with a bubble gut. and then we go back to georgia and perez in their pedicap and georgia's like this is so fucking corny what i'm about to say but like when i would think about my dream partner it's you he's like corny honey that was beautiful i'd say it's going well overall with us right

49:51Ronnie Karam: well i have no major grievances so what every girl wants to hear i have no major grievances wow let's get married immediately get someone get a bed warm am i right so she was like but do you have any words of praise for me and he says i would say you have beauty in both physical but also inside an emotional sense as well she's like oh my god that was so good like over the last year i've grown smarter wiser more beautiful i've got grocery stores to carry more groceries, which is not really talked about enough. The change has been good. I'm starting my own product company. I don't know what it's going to be called.

50:31Ronnie Karam: Yuck or messy. I don't think any of those are really trademarkable. So, ew. Maybe one because it's just called ew. I was thinking

50:41Ben Mandelker: about making it something that's expressing how we're turning the tide on germs. I was thinking maybe calling it Tide. I don't know. So, Georgia is like, By the way, my light's flickered in here. Creepy. Georgia says, it's Georgia's reaching through the internet, being like, don't speak badly about my brand. She could really fuck with a hot dog right now. So then we go to Liam's apartment, and Liam is picking up clothes. And there's a text from Ariana saying that she's meeting with Hudson, because Hudson wants to see the dogs. So she says she might invite Hudson to the New Beginnings party, which I'm sure that's what everyone wants to hear, that Hudson's going to be somewhere.

51:25Ben Mandelker: It is a new beginnings, by the way, because Hudson has changed his haircut. He cut his hair, and now he's got sort of like courthouse hair because his hair now sort of looks like the pediment, like the little triangle on top of the front of a courthouse. It's cuter. It's an improvement.

51:43Ronnie Karam: Okay. He also looks really different. I don't know if he's lost a lot of weight. He looks different than we've seen him looking before. So they go meet up and he's like, hey, just wanted to say, really, I'm sorry about being disrespectful about your space and stuff. And she's like, yeah, well, like, I forgive you for everything. Like, I know you're just trying to figure it out, but, you know, let's have a relationship talk. I miss you. But like, not like that. I miss you like my friend. And he's like, that's why I want to hold your hand right now. She's like, no, we'll not be holding hands. don't you want to right now she's like no because then I'll break my routine and then we'll be wedded in chicken bliss again I don't know that I want that I don't know I can't hold your hand right now

52:29Ben Mandelker: she he's this is I think this is creepy he'd be like please hold my hand please please she's fine like okay fine I'll hold your hand don't give in girl don't give in hey everyone This is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half. Watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way. It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster. It's always automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly Clap.

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