#3534 RHOC S20E10: Slow Hanging Fruit

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1:24Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how are you doing today?

1:38Ronnie Karam: Good, how's everything going with ya?

1:40Ben Mandelker: Everything is good. In case you missed it on our Next Gen New York City recap, we are now officially on sale with our In The Mix tour. 2026 to 2027. The tickets are on sale at watch what crappens.com. I'm just going to do a quick run through the schedule. So you hear, if you hear your city, go get your tickets because guess what? Our first stop is Kansas city. And that is October 3rd. That's like three weeks away. It's really close. It's really soon. So don't delay. So if you hear your city, then go buy a ticket and we won't do this every episode, but just because it just went on sale, We'll just run through the schedule right now.

2:22Ben Mandelker: So listen up, everyone. October 3rd, Kansas City. October 4th, Chicago. October 17th, Minneapolis. October 18th, Detroit. November 5th, Philadelphia. November 7th, DC. November 12th, Dallas. November 13th, Austin. November 15th, Houston. December 8th, Nashville. December 9th, Clearwater, Florida. December 10th, Fort Lauderdale. January 9th is San Francisco. January 23rd is Salt Lake City. January 24th is Denver. January 27th is Charleston, South Carolina. That's part of a comedy festival. That ticket link is not up just yet. It'll be up once the festival announces its ticket links. January 28th is Atlanta.

3:02Ben Mandelker: February 4th is Seattle. February 5th is Vancouver. February 7th is Portland. February 20th is Toronto. February 21st is Boston. And February 25th, we end it in New York City with the Golden Crappies at Town Hall. we will be celebrating 15 years of podcasting by the time this tour is over. So come join us. Thank you for listening to that whole schedule. And we look forward to seeing your smiling faces in the audience.

3:29Ronnie Karam: Yes. And this Monday, September 14th, I'm going to be doing a dinner cruise with Hannah Ferrier and Austin from Southern Charm. You can get tickets. That's in New York City. It's going to be super fun. We're just going to cruise around, do dinner, do an interview. So it's Dinner and a show with me, Austin, and Hannah. So find tickets for that on Hannah and Austin's Lincoln bio on their Instagrams. And today is Real Housewives of Orange County, season 20, episode 10. Here we go.

4:03Ben Mandelker: Here we go. So this is a new, it seems to be like this is the new tradition on Orange County, which is that every season they do dueling trips. I don't think any other show does a dueling trip. Maybe on this show they just know they need to because otherwise you have these like blocks of people like Emily and Gina and the Tres Amigos who just sit in their blocks and scheme against each other. So this is the way to mix things up. So it's our dueling trip episode and we start with Tamara going through closets packing for Solvang because one group is going up to wine country to the little Danish town of Solvang, California.

4:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so this is Tamara's house in Big Bear, right? Is it by Solvang, I guess?

4:54Ben Mandelker: No, but Big Bear is more at the east and Solvang is more up by Santa Barbara.

5:00Ronnie Karam: Oh, so that wasn't Tamara's house that they're staying in later? I guess Tamara's house is more cabin looking.

5:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think this is just an Airbnb that she usually stays at when she goes up to Solvang.

5:10Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay. So she's packing with Eddie. It's really the charisma coming off the screen as usual because it's Eddie. He's like, who's coming? Me, Heather, Carmella, Gina. I decided I'm not going to invite Shannon and Vicky. I'm hoping we can all get to know each other. Carmella's just so sweet. I want everyone to know she's not trashy. She's not trashy at all.

5:39Ben Mandelker: Eddie's like, well, it's just going to be me and you, rugby. The dog's like, great. Can't wait. Me with Eddie again. Then we see Jen. She's packing with Ryan. And she's like, oh, you know, me, Vicky and Emily and Shannon are going to go to La Quinta. And I told Emily about the pamphlet. And it's crazy. So apparently that Ryan had like a caretaker pamphlet for his knee surgery. and it showed how to have sex safely without hurting his knee. And they did it.

6:07Ronnie Karam: It gave actual positions. It was like a kama nitra, like a nitra sutra or something for his fucking while you got your knee hurt, I guess. Apparently there wasn't one where you fuck someone with your knee. So that was a big shock for me.

6:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

6:24Ronnie Karam: Thank God for pamphlets.

6:25Ben Mandelker: Thank God. um so then emily is um we go over to emily and shane packing and she's like i'm gonna stay at vicky's house in la quinta i told luke about it he'll be okay just one night he better be like he's been better about that he doesn't grab onto my leg and cry that's a step unless it's me because i can't take a step because luke's on my leg yeah things are great after date night with shane but

6:55Ronnie Karam: Not really, because we haven't really talked or nothing's changed. It's crazy how after years of marriage, one dinner of me saying, I made you steaks doesn't change things. We saw a flashback of that dinner, and I was cracking up. She's like, come on, Shane. I've been making steaks for you. I've been having sex with you. And he's like, you made steak one time. Okay, great. It's been great. What do you need from me? Didn't give you enough appreciation for that one steak you made me.

7:24Ben Mandelker: Wow. Talk about a low-stakes situation. So Shane drops Emily off at Jen's place, and then Shannon comes, and she's got a whole bunch of gift bags and everything. She's like, whoa, I'm off balance with all these gift bags. I'm wacky. Look at me, a little slapstick for America. Woo-hoo.

7:46Ronnie Karam: Can I get some White Lotus music in here? You're like... She's teetering around with her gifts. How am I going to get a gift out of the car? And Vicky drives up. Like, what are you doing? Get a job. Get a job. I've got pajamas that are personalized and hats that say whoop it up. Classic.

8:09Ben Mandelker: Isn't that funny? Because we're going to be going golfing. Vicky's like, I'm really excited to show my house off. And also this random monster truck that I apparently drive now. And it just like it takes a lot to own three houses. and I just want to showcase to the girls that you can work and enjoy your life. Or alternatively, you can work and not enjoy your life. I'm going to showcase one of those things today. And Shannon needs a break from Tamara and that's why I decided to bring her. And Emily, I've always tried to have a great time with her and I want to get to know them better. And Jen too.

8:37Ben Mandelker: And basically the producer said I have to bring them along. So I guess that's what I have to do. Yeah, exactly.

8:42Ronnie Karam: It's like, yeah, you know, I want to showcase to the girls that I can work hard, they can do nothing, enjoy the lifestyle I'm providing them for this day in my house. which I'm lucky to be in. So Carmela is putting stuff in her car and she hits her head. And her and Tamara are both dressed like the Orange County special, like spike heels and leggings, which I really liked. And Tamara's like, you know what? When somebody's late, it really bothers me really bad. And I didn't know what she was talking about, but then Carmela's like, I've got to go do my hair still. So just hold on. I'm just going to put a curler through my hair.

9:17Ronnie Karam: She's like, that makes me crazy. Like I'm 4, 11, 11. And then you have to curl your hair. What? Didn't your mom teach you not to be rude? It is crazy. Out of everybody you're asking about how somebody was raised, really?

9:34Ben Mandelker: I know, Tamara of all people. But it is crazy because Carmella shows up late and then makes them all sit while she does her hair. And she shows up at, I think, at 11.45. And they don't leave until 12.45 later on because, you know, I was watching the timestamps. So I would be furious. you know because like there's traffic just traffic just based off of traffic it's annoying

9:56Ronnie Karam: and it's also very housewives and especially this week because that was what ultimate girls trip was about too someone's late yeah so then uh we go to vicky's car and they're driving it shannon jen and emily and jen's like oh my god shannon shannon it's so good to see you have you have you talked to the guy that you made out with what about that she's like oh well get this i did see him, I saw him on a date with a 30-year-old. 30 years old. I walked right up to that table, and I said, I start charities, miss 30-year-old.

10:29Ben Mandelker: You know, I'm looking for a long-term, you know, right now, but as a kissing connoisseur, I want to explore and see what's out there. I mean, I'm a connoisseur, but I don't have a huge sample size. I mean, I'm not some least slut who would walk around the beach with my ex-husband David I'm a connoisseur

10:52Ronnie Karam: I'm not a connoisseur whore it's harder to say than I thought it would ah

11:01Ben Mandelker: um so then over in Tamara's car with Gina and Carmela Carmela is now she's her hair is done but now she has to give herself a shot of insulin And Tamara's like, you guys are making me crazy. I'm like, well, I think you can let her, I think you can wait the 30 seconds it takes for her to like give herself her medication. That's okay.

11:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the medical's okay. And she's like, oh my God, Tamara's making my anxiety worse in the car. And I'm struggling with stress and my glucose is off. And there's just so much people that don't understand about this. This is a lot. It's a lot to deal with. Okay, yeah, okay. Medical, medical, medical, medical. Before we pick Heather up, I saw that she was talking to you. What was that about? I saw her hands moving like this I'm really best, you're really poor What was she saying?

11:50Ben Mandelker: Well I've got to hand it to Heather Because she said I wouldn't be telling you this But I'm afraid someone else will And I genuinely like you And I think you're a great mom And I'm sorry And Gina's like Um, that's like mixed messaging I'm sorry And Tamara's like

12:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's like her line to get out in front of it Like that's what it is She's getting in front of it How is it mixed messaging? It was exact messaging.

12:15Ben Mandelker: Like, I was never going to tell you this, but someone is going to tell you it, so I'm going to tell you it. But I really like you. So, meaning it's like, on the one hand, like, I was just going to hide the fact that bad, how I really felt, but now I'm being upfront. So, I'm being upfront and I'm being deceptive. But I personally, I mean, that's Gina's perspective. I personally think it's Heather saying, like, fuck it. These girls are going to try to make me look bad, so I'm not going to let them be the one. I will fess up to this and I'll be the bigger person.

12:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah and Carmella's like well she could have lied about it And Gina says well you're really making You're really trying to make this work Really hard Did you hear that she's not using me As her realtor That's like very offensive I heard because she's using me That is so offensive I like how they argue with Carmella Like why are you using this slut to be your Realtor I'm right here I'm literally sitting right here

13:08Ben Mandelker: I also love how Gina is accusing Carmella of working really hard, like having a lot of mental workarounds to keep Heather as a friend. It's like, hey, you're the one who's actually working hard to destroy it. You're the one who's getting involved in everyone else's fights and getting yourself worked up into a tizzy. And yes, Carmella is going to work really hard because she's about to get a commission from Heather. And she's about to, like, get Heather as a long-term client, you dodo.

13:34Ronnie Karam: though yeah so um carmella's like well they have their own feelings but i like heather you know and i've the weird thing girls is that heather was the one texting me saying i can't wait to see you but then she was calling me trashy and she was like yeah it's a two-faced it's a two-faced it's a two-faced ninniness about it it's being facet about necessitated about it that gets me

13:59Ben Mandelker: Gina, who acts like she did not spend the first five or six episodes of this entire season trashing Carmella every time she had a chance to on camera. What? She said she's like a real estate person, but she's like a developer. And she like flipped like, I don't even understand what she is. What? She's paying Jim Pedrani? What? She was dragging Carmella any chance she could on camera. And now she's going to accuse Heather of being the one who's two-faced. While now Gina is sitting in the backseat of this car pretending like she somehow has Carmella's back.

14:24Ronnie Karam: Right. Like, I'm your girlfriend. I'm your girlfriend. Such an asshole. in the other car, Emily's like, well, I just don't get it. Heather's saying derogatory things about Carmella, and then she's a real estate person. You know what, you guys? That's like somebody going to... That's like one of you guys going to somebody else for insurance. I represent every state, every company, and then you go hire some new girl to handle your insurance? No. No. Does that have a worse? Meanwhile, Shannon did that. Shannon doesn't handle her insurance, which we found out last week. When she's like, oh, well, yeah, I have my insurance.

14:56Ronnie Karam: Who handles is that it's not me oh wow okay i just his name is jay i got a little straw right now

15:06Ben Mandelker: so gina's like it's the fakeness it makes me question all the friendship you are the fake one here it's like for everything i just said how you were so mean to carmella and now you're weaponizing her just to like settle a score with heather because heather did not choose your inexperienced ass to be her real estate agent. Like, don't talk about fakeness when you are clearly just using Carmella as a pawn in this situation.

15:33Ronnie Karam: It's also so funny how her whole argument is like, oh, wow, Heather said, like, remember when Heather accused me of using her for real estate connections? But then her whole fight now is that Heather is not using her for real estate connections. Like, you are using her.

15:48Ben Mandelker: But also, like, I mean, Gina's also not necessarily wrong. Heather is fake, but I'm like, it's because Heather literally lives in a different city and she schmoozes amongst a different group of people. She's with hyper wealthy people and she has to come and be friends with you on this TV show because it's her job. So yeah, Heather is fake, but I feel like your arguments for her fakeness are not, those aren't the ones, you know? I just miss this case.

16:19Ronnie Karam: Heather's fakeness over Gina's realness her quote on realness and that's just how it is

16:24Ben Mandelker: I don't need no excuse for it

16:27Ronnie Karam: and that's crazy that I'm siding with Heather but that's how bad Gina sucks so she's like yeah there's a pattern with Heather she talked behind my back she's saying bad things about Jim and now she calls Carmella trash oh no Tamara's saying this maybe you should just stop talking shit about other people you you hypocrite so funny So Carmella's like, so you're saying I shouldn't bring it up with Heather? And Gina's like, no, let's just have a nice car ride. I'm going to have a scene with Heather later. So don't ruin my scene. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. One of the best things you can do for yourself is straighten your teeth.

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20:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, very nice to take her$25 smoothie or whatever. And Tamara's like, well, the real question is how much of the cat's best? $150. Very, very fancy. Which is actually pretty cheap for all she got from Erewhon. That place is no joke.

20:44Ben Mandelker: It's no joke. So Gina's like, I feel like these Erewhon's now like a little too elevated for Camilla. See, now you're the one who's calling her trash, right?

20:55Ronnie Karam: Well, she's joking. She's saying Heather called her trash, so now she's getting her fancy snacks. Is this a little elevated for triage?

21:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, sorry. Sometimes when we see the show the night before, and then you read the actual line in the notes, you forget the actual tone in which it's said. I'm like, how dare she? Hypocrite.

21:15Ronnie Karam: So Heather's like, well, what do you think the girls are doing? Maybe they were all there for Vicky's proposal. Yeah, maybe they're all going to go to the bank. because I think that's where the ring is kept. You know, the bank vault. Maybe they'll get the ring out of the vault. You know Gina's going to bring that up later. Yeah, I was making fun of you not having a ring. She said that your ring is in a bank vault.

21:38Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, it was Gina who was the first one to be like, maybe that's Vicky's proposal. I mean, Gina's just, she's just such a jerk. So then in the other car, Shannon's like, well, so for Tamar to say this is a theory and to pronounce something that she pulled out of the sky, that Mike did, that he revoked the ring. I mean, it is absurd. We're not ready to get married.

22:00Ronnie Karam: Stop talking about it. We are not ready to get married. I'm not talking about it right now. We're not getting married. It's a very serious thing. It's very serious.

22:07Ben Mandelker: It's so wrong to say that. I just, you know, those are the words of someone who would not show up at Surf and Sand to celebrate a birthday. I'll say that right now. That's it.

22:17Ronnie Karam: In the other car, Gene is like, well, it does feel like he went and got the ring, and then something happened to make them I'm not sure about the ring. You know what I mean? Oh my God, you guys, who cares if Vicky is going to get married to this fucking loser or not. It's Vicky. Vicky's a loser. She's in a relationship with a loser. It's Vicky's storyline for 20 years. Vicky is always with some shitty man. I mean, what are you going to do?

22:42Ben Mandelker: But also Gina should start up a website called Giannon because she just creates these stories. And then, then she decides that they are fact. and then she does everything to find the evidence to support her conspiracy theory. You just pulled this story at, it's like, Tamara just made up a lie because that's what Tamara does, and then Gina is like, then just like, but I think that this is what actually really happened, and then she won't be satisfied until she gets some sort of answer that somehow satisfies her conspiracy. Yeah.

23:17Ronnie Karam: So she's like, yeah, now they're in ring purgatory. so I don't know what's gonna happen with the ring and the other car the other day I called Mike a fire ant because he gets mad and then his face turns red it's so funny I said hey fire ant and he said go to work just go to work isn't that hilarious that is so we are so much in love we're in love

23:39Ben Mandelker: Jen was like what's a fire ant she really had no idea what a fire ant was what is that

23:48Ronnie Karam: so now Carmela gets pulled over by the cops. It's like, bloop, bloop. It's like, oh my God, we're getting pulled over. I'm going to jail another time, guys. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Pull over safely. Pull over safe. Do it safely. Please, please pull over safely. You've got a very, very famous actress in your backseat.

24:08Ben Mandelker: Just remind the police officer that we have a spare Erewhon smoothie, okay? So, but I'm sorry, I just burped. but Carmela, uh, there's the talk of the smoothie. It just created a burp in me, but Carmela, they're like the officer is like trying to get her pull over, but it seems like she's going on an exit ramp or something. Like we can see, she's just like not slowing down. And Heather's like, are you, uh, you are supposed to slow down. Uh, you're supposed to pull over. Do you want to do that? She's like, what? Haven't you run for the cops before? I don't have a driver's license. Just so you know, I just, it got suspended.

24:41Ben Mandelker: Just kidding. Am I, am I not what's going on girls? Heather's like, if you do not pull over this car right now, it will cost you a lot.

24:52Ronnie Karam: She's like, this is the highlight of the trip being pulled over. I mean, it's such a thrill. You know, fight or flight. I hope he stretch searches me later.

25:02Ben Mandelker: Cops like, well, your car is smoked out. Your windows are black and you've got expired registration. and unfortunately, the driver of this car has been labeled as trash in our system. I don't know who did that. That was me. That was me. I'm sorry. I meant to tell you that. I filed a form of the DMV.

25:21Ronnie Karam: Okay, do you need to tell us anything before the officer comes back to the car, Carmela? And she's like, yeah, I'm probably a murderer. You never know, guys. Well, I've been pulled over twice. And one time, he just wanted a selfie. Then he let me go. I'm a very famous person.

25:41Ben Mandelker: It was just Terry doing cosplay, you know, some weird kink. It's like, hello, young lady. What's going on? You were pulled over for driving too sexily in the right-hand lane. Now, speaking of hands. Terry, do it again.

25:55Ronnie Karam: This is supposed to be turning me on. I don't believe you, Terry. Do it again. This time, do it with less of a Wendy Malick voice.

26:05Ben Mandelker: should we hide a vibrator in there so that way you can say go fuck yourself that was a joke right

26:09Ronnie Karam: that was a joke so now we go to vicky's house tour and uh she's like okay that here's here's one room it's this glamorous look at this look at look at that chandelier isn't that amazing okay this is my place there's one big bed this room there's two men two men's of theirs uh you guys decide who's gonna do it i don't really care i'm not gonna see you because i have a big room So you guys just do whatever you want Or we'll see it

26:32Ben Mandelker: Sean's like well I could share with someone If someone would like that I am a very low Low maintenance I guess and so I could also not share I mean I Don't want to be the person that chooses their room But if I did have to choose a room I'd take the single Far away from the microwave because that Could actually affect my brain chemistry But I'm like wherever you girls want I'm very amenable to any suggestions Yeah

26:58Ronnie Karam: um shannon are you sure that you're okay with your room because i don't want to have to repack and re-unpack every time you decide you don't like your room shannon okay okay but let me just show you i wasn't very clear okay this room is a room with the stove but it's an office okay it's where i work and then this room is a room with two beds but it's also where i work and then so they're basically all the office so just decide which office you want to sleep because i'm gonna work. I'm at work. And nobody's going to say anything about it. Okay? Because this is a vacation home, but it's also a work home, and that's what I do.

27:31Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm concerned that the two-bed office, that stapler, you know, those staplers are made with all sorts of hyperplastics, and there's just a lot of, like, it leeches into the air, and I can't be in the same room as that stapler. So I'm afraid, ladies, I'm going to have to take the single. Like, well, Shannon, we can move the stapler out of there. No, it's too late. It's just there's too much plastic in the air. So I'm sorry I'm sorry I must take the single bedroom away from the stapler thank you

27:59Ronnie Karam: um so we see the other ladies touring their house and then we come back to Vicky and everybody's eating outside they're sitting around eating a little something and Vicky's like okay after this we're gonna go to the driving range and we're gonna whoop it up and everybody's gonna enjoy it cause we've got hats and they say whoop it up and that's why back on this show so everybody just whoop it up say who do I gotta whoop it up with to have a woohoo around here Okay, everybody say that until it catches on all around Laquita. And then everybody's saying it.

28:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, just like don't be mean to me. I don't like when people are mean to me. And Jen's like, I've never been mean to you. She's like, well, you were snippy. And Jen's like, well, you started the snip. You were the first snip because you said that she was a troublemaker, right? And Vicky's like, well, I mean, I like Jen being pretty and just sitting there not being mean. That's what I like. I like Vicky. Her whole thing is that she doesn't want people to be mean to her when Vicky is one of the meanest, crankiest. She's so mean.

28:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she was so mean to Jen for no reason. She's like, oh, yeah, well, when I get married, it's going to be right away. When I decide to get married, we're not going to wait like you, loser, like sitting around waiting. So shut up, Jen. It's like, what did I even say?

29:05Ben Mandelker: That was so funny, though.

29:08Ronnie Karam: So Emily's like, well, when people get on you, Vicky, you like to divert the attention to Jen. And then we see the flashback of her doing that. And Emily's like, yeah, you just take your frustrations out on Jen. Well, I agree. You know, I do do that because she's low hanging fruit. So that's what I do.

29:25Ben Mandelker: Jen's like, gosh, you know, the things you say, Vicki. She said, I mean, how are we supposed to take that as a compliment? Emily's, I mean, it means you don't earn any kind of respect. That's what that means.

29:39Ronnie Karam: Low hanging fruit. I mean, geez, that means you're a person that no one respects or you're a gay guy with a big one. I mean, geez. But low hanging fruit, you know, it's very beautiful. It's very ripe. It's very easy to grab. Why am I low hanging fruit? You know what? I don't like new girls. Just eat your food. I don't like new girls. Okay. So you're just going to be mean to everybody. And then if anybody calls you out, which by the way, she never even did, you're still going to be mean to them.

30:06Ben Mandelker: This is just an asshole. Jen's like, I'm new to the group. Newer than you. I've been here the last four years. Where have you been? So Emily is like, well, if you want low hanging fruit, well, why don't you go for a caramel? Carmella. And she's like, well, I did go for Carmella. I did that already. I already pruned those branches. I'm ready for the ones that are just a little bit higher up.

30:27Ronnie Karam: Why are you accusing me of not going for Carmella? I did go for Carmella. Duh. Is anybody paying attention here? Yeah, well, she's a low-hanging fruit. We all know our places, I guess. Yeah. You know what? We're beating the bloody horse. Can we just stop beating the horse? We are in my house right now. Let's stop beating the horse. Okay. We're going to go golfing right now. We're going to go golfing. We're going to go golf working. Okay. That's where you try and get a whole it by it charts.

30:53Ben Mandelker: Okay. Just make sure this dumb dumb over here doesn't hit her stuff at the golf club. Sorry. Little hanging fruit. It's just right there. You got a lot of food on your branches. So over in Solvang, they're going to go, the group is going to go do some hijinks in town. And Tamara's like, hey, what do you think the other guys are doing? Do you think that she's yelling at them to keep things not clean? You know, because he's yelling at everyone? And Heather's like, don't make Mike upset. That's what she's saying ha ha ha and then we see uh vicky's house and mike shows up after a day of golf and they're all like oh mike is here that's fun and they're the editors put in cloud music it's like

31:35Ronnie Karam: mike comes in and just goes in his room and doesn't say hi to anybody doesn't say hi to anyone

31:41Ben Mandelker: he's not like hello ladies welcome to our house it's great to have you here let us know let me

31:46Ronnie Karam: know if you need anything yeah he's a real charmer this guy so vicky it's vicky and mike in the kitchen and she's like did you miss me did you miss me mike and he's like yeah yeah i did i miss you don't don't take that long to answer i'll kick your ass mike you just say it faster you know mike mike i did tell mike i was coming here for one day with the girls but he was doing a business trip trip close and it's his house too and if he can come if he wants to so stop asking me he can come if he wants to why is everybody asking me about mike stop asking me about mike We're in my home.

32:15Ben Mandelker: So then Mickey's like, so honey, tell the girls to stop asking about marriage. Okay, we're going to get married when we want and we're both divorced and we do not want another divorce. Shut up. He's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So,

32:28Ronnie Karam: fire ant face, fire ant face. I told you, fire ant face.

32:33Ben Mandelker: Did your ant catch on fire? What happened? So by the way, by the way, Mike, how much time do we have with you? And Mickey's like, well, you're going to go gambling, right? You're going to go to a casino. He's like, yeah, well, gotta go make some money for both of us hon so then emily tells us i remember in vegas that he also popped up is he checking on victoria also notice how i only call her victoria and confessionals isn't that funny i see a pattern here he's like a whack-a-mole and now i'm in vegas now i'm in la quinta ha ha

33:06Ronnie Karam: emily's just killing it with these confessionals this year so now uh we go to vicky's group in the car and Vicky is immediately on her laptop and uh she's like gotta work gotta work gotta work gotta work um Vicky's got emails going do you need help with emails yeah he needs a placement he's going into retirement do you need help Victoria listen everything you say is going into my email please

33:30Ben Mandelker: just give me silence give me silence you could also type it instead Victoria so then um they're all in their hats. And so Shannon's like, type it. Oh, actually, Shannon says it herself. She's like, type it, and type it. And I was like, I love Mike. I hope we can get married. And Vicky's like, I'll never find another quality relationship in my life, so stop doing this. Just be quiet, assholes. I was oddly enough on her side. You said you're going to be fun, Vicky.

33:55Ronnie Karam: What'd you say, Ben?

33:57Ben Mandelker: I was oddly enough on Vicky's side with this, believe it or not. I know we've had discussions about, like, on girls' trip when they were in the sprinter van and she was on the laptop. That was not the place to be on it. But this they're just going the golf course she's just taking care of some emails in between scenes and she just needs to get some done and and they're just being jerks back there she's obnoxious she's

34:19Ronnie Karam: having a girl's trip it's only 24 hours which is nothing you just made everybody drive all the way out there for one day then your boyfriend shows up and now you're gonna work the whole time and yell at everybody vicky's so lame so um jen's like well you know vicky pride pardon me i think i'm just not willing to give family anything that's it yeah well i won't give vicky anything so no one's getting anything on this recap that's for sure nothing so jen's like well vicky prides herself on you know being a hard-working woman which she is but she's also an asshole when she does that. Look at me, Jen.

34:56Ronnie Karam: Look at me. Confessional warrior Jen today.

34:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah. When you're with your girlfriends, you should shut your phone down. And so then Vicky just gives them the bird. And Sean's like, are you serious right now? Are you serious? I cannot believe this. Oh, I'm sorry. Are you guys reacting to the middle finger? I was just talking about the fact that I found a Jolly Rancher in my pocket. Can you believe it? Are you serious? There's a Jolly Rancher in there all the time.

35:23Ronnie Karam: Why does the rapper stick to these things every single time? Can I order? Can I just open a Jolly Rancher? The plastic's inside of me. Jolly Rancher plastics inside of me.

35:35Ben Mandelker: I'm not a Jolly Rancher. I'm a sad rancher. You know, the thing is this, that sometimes a rancher finds out that another rancher who was in a lifelong commitment with the first rancher is walking on the beach with a slut. And then the first rancher stops being a jolly rancher and winds up being a sad rancher. And that's because of the other rancher. It's not her fault. So I just want everyone to know that about the jolly rancher, that sometimes the jolly rancher just needs a moment. Thank you.

36:06Ronnie Karam: You know, would it be so much to ask for a slightly traumatized rancher?

36:11Ben Mandelker: Well, I guess this jolly rancher I guess this jolly rancher can just buy shoes for another rancher but then that rancher can't pay for a facelift for the other first rancher, so I guess that's just a muddy bag rancher that's having to pay for things. It's just the rancher's been through a lot, guys. Do we have been to a lot of ranchers?

36:39Ronnie Karam: Don't even get me started on the rancher. Don't even get me started on the rancher who made out with a 30-year-old two days after he made out with me. Slutty rancher.

36:52Ronnie Karam: So now we go on a bike ride, a thing where they're pedaling things, carts or whatever, with Tamara's group. And the other group is golfing. It's all wacky times. Look at us. We're riding bikes. We're golfing. So the golf teacher is like, okay, ladies, you're going to swing and follow through with a decent finish. Oh, Shannon needs a decent finish. She could use that. Just finish all over Shannon's face. What's in the pamphlet?

37:20Ben Mandelker: And the guy's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So Jen's like, I think it's been a long time since Shannon's had a proper finish. But I tell her, all the time, you wear too many Spanx. That's a lot of work for a proper finish.

37:34Ben Mandelker: It's a got to keep it together, rancher. Sorry about that.

37:39Ronnie Karam: I did golf lessons 10 years ago. I was so good at golf. Watch this. Nothing. Swing. Nothing. I quit. I hate this game. Fuck off.

37:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah. The other girls are like pedaling through Solvang, annoying all the cars that are trying to go at a normal speed. And Heather's like, oh, look, that's the Solvang Bakery. We are not allowed to go in there. I already got you snacks from Erewhon. And Carmela's like, oh, my God, you're all gonna have diabetes next. Ha ha ha. She's like, by the way, how was your drive? Was it fun, Carmela? How did it go? And she's like, yeah, I feel like we talked about certain things that needed to be aired. Oh, listen, what's confusing to me in this particular scenario is that Gina took this thing that I said about her and told Emily to take this piece of info that's obviously not gonna go well for me and, you know, hand it to someone who's going to use it.

38:37Ben Mandelker: It's just, it's like a smoothie from a regular supermarket that Gina goes to. Disappointing.

38:47Ronnie Karam: And then Heather tells us what I figured was going on the whole time. She's like, what these girls have said behind this girl's back are atrocious. Not only would I not repeat them, I would also not tell her. so they were all talking shit but they're now they're all pretending like it was just heather who's saying she's trashy which i figured that's yes that's why they're really mad because they

39:12Ben Mandelker: were all talking shit and they're like fuck this new girl fuck her coming onto our show fuck this new girl but then heather's like oh i'm like they all sort of had this unspoken thing like we're over here she's over there but then heather then goes over and starts being friends with the new girl and they're like but what about our lunch table and i think that's one of the things that's

39:28Ronnie Karam: making them really pissed off and then they've put her in this position where now she says well you know gina calls you a whore face with an asshole that as wide as a tunnel or whatever she would be being mean to carmella so they've kind of got her you know where she's like oh i apologize but she still can't say everybody else was mean or whatever i hope she does though so

39:51Ben Mandelker: gina's like well i'll go ahead sorry no i was just gonna say you you say what gina says then i'll I'll chime in afterwards.

39:59Ronnie Karam: Oh, um, like she's going to do a real estate with Carmela and she knows it's going to upset me and she doesn't even call me. That's not cool. Yeah.

40:09Ben Mandelker: And Gina's like, she's like, I hope she's not in that like bicycle car, like blaming us now. And the reason why Gina thinks that is because she knows, she knows that she talks shit about, about Carmela. And she knows that that's what Heather, that's like Heather's counter is like, yeah, they did this because they want like, you know, they just are, I don't know. I'm getting, I'm tangled up in my words. I'm the point is this. She's got a guilty conscience. And that's why she, that's why she suspects that Heather is doing that because that's what Gina would have done in that situation.

40:41Ronnie Karam: It's like, it's time for dinner. Stop trying to brainwash people. Heather, let's go brainwash. It's like, Oh, I dropped my purse. Chanel down. Chanel down. Everybody. What an accident.

40:54Ben Mandelker: Oh God. wow, this is Chanel Carmella, by the way. I'm not sure if you've ever seen one of these in the dumpster you live in. So Gina's like,

41:04Ronnie Karam: Wow, the price of Gina's entire condo just fell on the ground. Hold on, let me be.

41:12Ben Mandelker: Gina's like, could you even imagine if we ran over that purse? I'd be like, Heather would just go get a new one. But if it was the other way around, Gina'd be like, oh my God, you ran over my Chanel. so um then we go back to the golf range and you know everyone's cheering vicky about and like emily's doing this annoying like cheerleading thing she's like go vicky you can do it put your butter to it go vicky go vicky do your email do your email and vicky's like oh my god

41:43Ronnie Karam: i've been excited about having girls in front of me you know i'm supposed i'm excited to have everybody in my house and I don't understand why they're picking at me. They're picking at me for some odd reason. They need to respect me and my workload. The reason that they're here is because I work. Oh yeah. We're just all so fucking lucky to be getting a glimpse of Vicky's life in La Quinta. Wow. Thank you so much. This was life changing.

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44:29Ben Mandelker: So Shannon is like, I need to putt. I need to putt and pee. Okay. Oh my God. I'm about to pee my pants. Oh my God. Oh guys. Oh, please, please let me use your bathroom. So she goes off and there's like these houses that are on the golf course. So she just goes into someone's house. By the way, I don't see the appeal of living on a golf course. Maybe if you play golf, that's the appeal. But in my mind, I just see shattered windows. I'm like, don't put my house.

44:55Ronnie Karam: There are a lot of those.

44:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Did you ever, did you ever live in a golf course growing up?

45:00Ronnie Karam: no i didn't live in one i stayed in one in la quinta with my parents and their friends they were all on this like friend trip on a golf course in la quinta and so i drove up them uh drove up to spend a couple days with them and it was hilarious they really do stand out on the balcony and watch the golf course and the men went golfing one day and then all the women stood on the golf course drinking and when the men passed they would be like hi hi it's us and one of them one of them was like hey tommy love you honey love you i'll never forget her diane and tommy but that was my la quinta golf course i was like wow people really do this they stand on a balcony and they scream down at the golfers and then the guys wave wave up like that's me honey watch this one it's about to be a good one don't miss it it's very prime real estate on a golf

45:52Ben Mandelker: of course. And like, I mean, it's pretty to look at, look at your window, you see rolling, rolling hills of green and everything, but I'm just like, oh, it's people outside my window. And, um, and my window is now also broken. I don't know, but I, I mean, I can see the appeal now that we've talked about it, but yeah, not going to happen for me. Um, so Shannon goes,

46:14Ronnie Karam: if I wanted to sit around and watch a bunch of holes, I'm not able to hit and I could move back to West Hollywood.

46:20Ben Mandelker: There we go. So thank you, Alfredo. Thank you, Alfredo. Thank you.

46:29So Shannon's peeing in these people's place.

46:35Ben Mandelker: And then Vicky's like, I mean, Shannon's running into someone's house. She doesn't even know to take a bathroom break. And I can't answer my emails. This is unfair. I'm like, I think going potty is okay. I think people are okay with their friends needing to use the toilet.

46:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's just a miserable human. What are you going to do? So they're like, oh, let's leave Shannon. That's going to be hilarious. We could just drive out without Shannon. So they drive in circles and Shannon has to run around. Oh, don't leave me. Oh, by the way, thank you, neighbors. Thanks for the soft soap.

47:11Ben Mandelker: I feel like the root of so many of Emily's jokes and funny moments is like humiliation. And I think that's sad. So then the girls drive off. Because, right, she's trying to, like, leave Shannon there. And then I'm not trying to be serious about a stupid little funny scene. But, like, ultimately, the idea is that, like, Shannon's left alone. And then Shannon's like, hey, they left without me. Which, I mean, of course, I would enjoy that. I think that would be very funny. But I feel like as a friend, I just feel like all of her sort of, like, pranks and funny moments are about making her friends feel bad.

47:43Ben Mandelker: If you really think about it.

47:45Ronnie Karam: yeah that's emily so um i was cracking up when shannon left and they said did you wash your hands i guess they had soft soap i gave it five stars five star review but there was a stapler i could feel it i could feel it in my brain so we go to solvang and uh the girls are heading to dinner and gina's like oh my god like it's such a cute town yes everything looks so much better wrapped up in a cute little quaint antiquey looking home.

48:18Ben Mandelker: Isn't it cute? So then they go to this restaurant and the waitress takes orders. And this cracked me up because Heather's like, um, I think I will have a steak frites medium, please. And then they, and an espresso martini. And then they all are like, um, I think I'm going to have the same. I'll have the same.

48:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I have the same.

48:40Ben Mandelker: I just all get medium steak freaks. I don't know why that cracked me up so much. They all follow Heather, but then they're so mad about everything that Heather does, and yet they copy her completely, even down to their order.

48:52Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, it's really quiet right now, but I'm just going to say that. You had said that Max would be looking for a home, and you suggested that you were going to reach out to Carmela about that. Yes. And then both Tamara and Emily told you that Gina's probably going to be upset by that. but then as my friend you know like then to go to her instead of me that was very hurtful to me like i've known you for five years and you asked my opinion about a lot of real estate things like why are you here why are you doing this who told you you would be good at this stuff like that and the fact that you didn't even ask my opinion and like i know max is shut up gina okay so i know max and the oppenheimer group yes that you're probably trying to get into through heather and Max.

49:37Ronnie Karam: And also you just illustrated a really good point. Max is a real estate agent. So why would, if she didn't even use her own son,

49:47Ben Mandelker: Nikki is. Why would you? Your point is, yeah. So Gina's like, she's like, I just think it's like really shitty that Heather didn't come to me. Cause like we're in this environment, like this bubble where the support of your friend matters and she knows that and she chose not to support me. I would have to go back and watch the launch to the HG network, but I seem to remember that Emily and Gina were not the most supportive. I mean, I feel like everything that Heather does, Gina's like, I mean, like, what? Like, HG network? I mean, yes, HG network was ridiculous. But Gina demanding all the support when she's been nothing but an underminer to Heather for years on this show, like, give me a break.

50:25Ronnie Karam: Even last year with the, like, what? Heather's a comedian now? Like, she's supposed to be funny? Yeah.

50:30Ben Mandelker: It's like non-stop. So Heather's like, Heather has to now drum up another speech where she has to pretend like she cares about what this poor person has to say. She's Gina, I'm so sorry that you're hurt by that. And also, I'm so sorry you forgot to take the hanger out of your blazer. Would you like some help with that? Okay, we fixed it. So to me, I'm looking for a rental for Max, potentially in an area that Carmela lives in. I'm not buying a home i'm looking for a rental like what you used to have but i want someone not who's lived in one but who has rented them does that make does that make sense to you yeah but even that like it blew

51:16Ronnie Karam: my mind that you've spoken unkindly about her and then you're gonna go have her help you with real estate what the fuck are you fake as fuck heather yeah you're such an asshole oh my gosh you're really leaning into this first of all we all know that you've called carmella all kinds of names i can't wait to the reunion where carmella is like but wait heather you said that they all talked bad about me what did they say because i want to know what they said and uh gina being like oh my god this blew my mind you're asking and then heather's response is like listen it's carmella it's just a rental why would i give her anything more than a rental it's pathetic it's pathetic that I even thought of her for that.

51:59Ronnie Karam: Why would you fight over a rental? You're still doing my rental, right, Carmella? Of course. Because you're trash. What are you saying?

52:08Ben Mandelker: Everything is just like shitty all around. Yeah, because there is this element of like, oh, I wouldn't give any real business to Carmella. I mean, look at her. But then also there's Gina being like, why would you even use her? I mean, look at her. She's just like getting it from both ends. And Carmella's like, oh, hello. I'm right here. So Heather's like, don't you know me well enough to know that I'm not fucking fake? I prejudged this woman. I feel bad about it. And we are actually getting to know each other and like each other. And when I feel terrible, and I feel terrible for what I said. Because trash should be able to enjoy living as just trash.

52:48Ben Mandelker: You know what I'm saying? You get it, Carmela.

52:51Ronnie Karam: Well, you should feel terrible about that. I'm going to go to the hospital. It was horrible. I do. But it just keeps getting brought up over and over and over again.

53:01Ben Mandelker: And Gina's like, well, that's not me. And then Heather, like, makes this paddle with her hand. And she just sort of, like, raises it up like it's about to come thwomp down on something. She goes, well, you told Emily about what I said. And Gina's like, what? Gina's fully caught here and she doesn't even know what to say.

53:22Ronnie Karam: well she said first gina said earlier like the only reason that heather did that thing with the rental is because she got mad that i told emily and so this is her this is her like petty reaction and so when heather's like well you did tell you did tell emily the things i said about carmella and that wasn't nice gina's like like she's shocked when you already know that's why she did it and by the way that is a good reason if i heard that one of my friends was trying to like fuck with my reputation with some new girl behind my back and telling them secret things getting certain things that i said in secret to them i wouldn't hire why would she hire you to do any thing you're completely untrustworthy as a friend why would she offer you money as a reward right Right.

54:14Ben Mandelker: And then Gina tells us, have us deflecting and the bottom line is you called Carmella trash. If you don't want something spread around, don't fucking say it. You were the one who was most heinous out of everyone to Carmella. I would even wager to say almost worse than Vicky, except for Vicky, Vicky maybe teetered over in Vegas when she basically told Carmella she's a bad parent. But like Gina was the one who just came in hot for Carmella about the vibrator, about how much Joan was getting paid. Is she even a developer? She calls herself a developer. Does she work in real estate? I mean, like from the get-go and now she's going to clutch her pearls?

54:53Ben Mandelker: Please. Yeah.

54:55Ronnie Karam: And Heather's like, well, when I heard about that information getting disseminated, to be honest with you, I thought you did that on purpose to hurt me.

55:07Ben Mandelker: No, you're wrong. I think you're twisting this for no reason. I didn't want to hurt you I just wanted to hurt your chances of becoming friends with a new girl.

55:16Ronnie Karam: Well, this is my opinion on it Oh, yeah, well your opinion sucks

55:22Ben Mandelker: Okay

55:25I

55:26Ben Mandelker: Think this I think we're doing is coming from is that she just wants you to say hey listen friend Yeah, I was shocked that you did not pick up the phone. Oh Oh, God. Break.

55:38Ronnie Karam: Gina. Did you not think that that would hurt Gina's feelings? Well, doesn't it hurt your feelings? Aren't you a real estate person too? Or did we forget that whole storyline? Wasn't Tamara a realtor? Isn't that how she met Heather? She's like, I can't just even take her home because I'm a realtor now.

55:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Tamara is like selectively a realtor every few seasons. So Heather's like, no, I did not think it would hurt her feelings because to me, it was just a rental property. It was like a pittance. It was like giving, you know, a toy to the poor during the holiday times. That's what Carmella is.

56:16Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't think that you would hurt me on purpose. But the first year I got my real estate license, and then you were confused, quote-unquote, whether I was using you for your real estate contacts and not. You know, then you said you weren't confused. Okay, but you are mad at her right now about real estate. So I think that proves the original point that you were kind of using people for the money that they could bring you. Like, I couldn't imagine going up to a friend and being like, how dare you not give me the commission over somebody? That's just so tacky. It's just so tacky. Oh, my God.

56:52Ben Mandelker: Right. So Heather's like, Tamara's the one that told me and I did nothing with that because that would be ridiculous.

56:59Ronnie Karam: us and you know it's like but then we see the clips and this is not what heather said tamra's like yeah she said that you were using that for real estate contacts and heather goes well she won't be getting any of those yeah exactly she did say that but she didn't i guess i guess is

57:19Ben Mandelker: heather saying that she didn't use it against gina like in an argument or something like that

57:23Ronnie Karam: she could have used it as a big storyline and she didn't do it like tamra told her basically Basically, Tamara tried to bait her with this stuff to use against Gina, and she didn't use it against Gina. But Gina was still using that the whole storyline, or the whole season anyway, against Heather, if I remember correctly. Because she was like, oh my God, and then Heather, you accused me of using you for contacts? And Heather's like, no, I never took up that story. That was just something that Tamara was trying to make happen. But Gina still ran with it anyway. It was like, oh my God, I can't believe Heather is accusing me of using her from real estate.

57:58Ronnie Karam: It's the same thing she and Emily do every season, which is trying to make fights with people over no reason. And then making them happen whether or not the person is fighting with them or not. Just like this one. It's this exact same fight.

58:11Ben Mandelker: And Gina says, when I just got my real estate license and the ink was still wet, she was like, you're using me for my real estate contacts. And then when she didn't even believe that. So she's fake as fuck. So Gina is saying that Heather was pretending to be offended by the situation when she didn't even really believe it was true in the first place. And so that was like fake. I mean, like this is such a strange argument that she has. I mean, basically, it's like what you said at the top of the show. So Gina wants Heather as a client, and she was mad that the insinuation before was that Gina wanted Heather as a client.

58:55Ben Mandelker: And she was like, no, I never said I wanted Heather as a client or her connections, but now she's upset that she doesn't have Heather as a client. Yeah.

59:05Ronnie Karam: So Heather's like, I love Gina. I love our friendship. But these kind of moments really set me back. And it's hard to keep moving forward with someone you feel like is always trying to look for cracks. Cracks. Cracks. So Tamara's like, how do you feel all about this trash lady? Come on, Carmela. You should open up. She's like, well, I mean, you did ask me. You know, you texted me and said you were looking forward to seeing me. And then my head is spinning because I'm like, well, does she like me? Or do you think I'm trash? Tamara's like, that's a valid point. That's a valid point. Do you think she's trash, Heather?

59:43Ben Mandelker: Well, we were already becoming friends at that point. I had my first trash friend. I was excited. She goes, well, I mean, I don't know what the timeline was. You know, what Heather's saying is that she spent more time with me and she realized how much she actually likes me, and I want to trust that. Or maybe she is a really good actress. Thank you. Thank you. It's the latter. It's the latter.

1:00:05Ronnie Karam: Take the maybe out, trash. Okay. Now, Gina, I would like to say to you, I'm truly sorry, poor person. She's like, okay, well, I'm sorry that I told Emily stuff, rich person.

1:00:18Ben Mandelker: And Tamara's like, I need to motorboat her to make things better. And Heather is like, I might suffocate. That's so trashy. And Tamara's like, you're the one who said it. She's like, well, what I will say is we all love having you here. and uh but well i don't know about everybody i should only speak for myself because apparently i talk too much and carmela's like well who else is talking shit well vicky doesn't like you that much oops i guess i just did the thing i got mad about gina doing for on my behalf yeah except that carmela kind of knows that one already and they're like oh yeah it was funny how you were kind of

1:01:01Ronnie Karam: shady with your gifts because you gave shannon a much nicer purse than you gave vicky a little wallet. And she's like, well, she's lucky that I even got her a gift. I mean, after all the things she said about me, I should have just got her a vibrator to tell her to go fuck herself.

1:01:17Ben Mandelker: So, Tamara's like, Camilla, do you like Vicky? And Camilla's like, well, I mean, I do. She just gave me a hard time. Sometimes you just, you know, you get older and you just, I mean, you know, I don't mean it like that, but you know, sometimes when you reach a certain age, you, I don't know. I mean, what I'm trying to say is she really enjoys Ovaltine and Tamara's like wow well she's very cautious of you and she wants to know why you don't have any TVs on the wall in your house why don't you have any TVs are you afraid of girls coming through them and stealing little girls

1:01:49Ronnie Karam: so then we see that Vicky has basically been accusing her of I mean what it sounds like it's like oh she's just renting this house for TV right because she's like she doesn't have anything in the pantry she doesn't have any any food in the pantry no TVs on the wall I mean there's no towel in the bathroom Like, what is this? There's something not right about this. And Carmelo's like, seriously? Well, I'm going to FaceTime my man right now. And she FaceTimes him. There's like a little head bobbing up and down. She's like, show them the pantry, honey. He's like, hold on. Get off of me. Get off of me.

1:02:23Ronnie Karam: Okay, yeah, there's food in the pantry. She's like, see you guys. This is crazy. What is she? Inspector fucking Gadget. Whoa. So that concludes the episode. I'm not a Carmella hater, but yeah, this is Carmella. Yeah, one season.

1:02:42Ben Mandelker: One season wonder. That concludes the Solvang portion of the episode. But now we go over to La Quinta, where everything will surely go great. So they're back at Vicky's house, and they're going to get in the pool. And Shana's like, oh, my God, it's cold outside. And Vicky goes, it's not about degrees out. So they're in the pool. and he's like, there's something on my foot. It's a condom. And there's some, I don't know, like a Swiffer pad or something that she steps on. I don't know what it was.

1:03:12Ronnie Karam: So then Vicky and Shannon wackily get into the hot tub by crawling over the edge. They're like, whoa, this is hard. Oh, gosh, we're getting old. Oh, whoa, whoa, get my knee up, get my knee up. And that takes 10 minutes, and Emily and Jen are just like, wow, you guys are hilarious. So they start talking and Emily's like, let's talk about Jen. Yeah, I'm the low hanging fruit. You want to talk about that? You want to talk about me being the low hanging fruit? What about that? Yeah, it sounds like you get frustrated at the table and then you're mean to Jen. Let's talk about that.

1:03:50Ben Mandelker: And so Vicky's like, I'm tired of it. Like, leave Mike and I alone. Okay, we're good. And Sean's like, but it's not nice to call someone low hanging fruit. Do you know what? There's a lot of carbs in fruit. It's very insulting. She's like, no, whatever, whatever. No, don't say whatever. Don't be Tamara. That's not nice. I would not like to be called up. Please don't call me low-hanging fruit or even high-hanging fruit. Please, you know what? Call me a delicious piece of protein. How about call me salmon with a little bit of cream cheese in the inside?

1:04:19Ronnie Karam: Well, you call me low-hanging fruit. I don't care. I don't care. Just call me low-hanging working fruit. Just call me that. Office fruit. Office fruit. Emily's like, you wouldn't like that. You got called Debbie Downer and that made you mad because I'm not a Debbie Downer. I'm not a Debbie Downer. Cut to 10 minutes later where I'm kind of kicking everybody out of my house.

1:04:40Ben Mandelker: It's just it's not nice to say low hanging fruit. Okay. It's obviously the worst fruit that there possibly is. And Vicky's like, okay.

1:04:46Ronnie Karam: You guys stop poking the bear. Stop poking the bear. The bear's going to come out. And then you're going to be like, oh my God, why is that bear on his laptop?

1:04:55Ben Mandelker: It seems like you're poking Jen all the time. And Jen's like, yeah, you're poking my bear. Thank you so much, by the way. Thank you for poking my bear. It's a cute bear. It's like, well, she pokes me, so I poke back. It's a bear poke. Two bears poking each other. Okay. She's like, no, but I think I do ask things about you that you don't like. Yeah, but sometimes it's just not your business. Because I literally have a business. And I'm working. I'm working right now. My laptop works underwater. Okay, get out of the way. I'm working.

1:05:19Ronnie Karam: Well, Victoria has an opinion about everybody. But then when we ask her stuff, she doesn't want to talk about Mike. She doesn't want to talk about the ring. She tells everyone to fuck up. I mean, I think it's only fair that she shares much as I do.

1:05:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, look how entertaining that is. So Vicky's like, how about this? Everyone leave me alone, okay? I've been hurt in relationships in the past by other people's opinions. And Emily is like, well, it's just, it's not about your relationship. Maybe we feel like we're putting a lot of time and energy into a friendship with you and it's not reciprocated back. Okay, Emily, you're not putting time and energy into a friendship with Vicky. you are sitting here trying to like extract storyline and like find the scandal so you can hang around i'm not saying that vicky is great or good by any means and i'm not saying that her relationship is in a good place but please don't try to act like you're trying to have a friendship with this woman you're just trying to pull out something that that you guys can all jump on top of and vicky knows it which is why vicky is circling an asshole to somebody and then being

1:06:21Ronnie Karam: Like, I'm just trying to be your friend. It's very Heather Day. Yeah. So Vicky's like, oh, my God, get the flip over it. I was just doing emails for half an hour. She's like, I'm not going to get over it. You told us to shut up. Oh, God. Yes. You were rude. She's like, okay, listen, I got your message. You guys dissect it however you want. I don't want to talk about it anymore. Okay. Well, words can be hard. What are you doing right now? You're in my home. Respect me. Respect me and be quiet. Be quiet. But then again, I hate when people say, you're my home. And I hate that. You don't get to just be an asshole to everybody just because they're in your house.

1:07:02Ben Mandelker: That's not good hosting. You're being a dictator. And it's like a perfectly nice home, but they could be in any other Airbnb too. So Shannon is like, well, I feel like I'm in a no-win situation. It's like walking into a bathroom and there's no soft soap. It's just a no-win situation. and with Vicky, she's not listening and she's at this point where she just won't hear what anyone has to say. Which is when you, Shannon, should be like, guys, I think we're not getting anywhere with this. Let's table this for tomorrow. I do think that she should say that. If she's recognizing it's a no-win situation, then you just, you call people off.

1:07:39Ronnie Karam: Well, also, how does this cast not realize that Gina and Emily both, even if they're separated, are gonna do nothing but start fights that producers are telling them to? It's like the same thing over and over and they never catch on to it. Just tell Emily, shut up or start asking Emily about her terrible marriage and just start asking her questions. Like they're all so dumb that they fall for it every single time Emily does it and then victimizes herself. And they just, they keep following the same circles and it cracks me up. So Vicky's like, okay, we're going to talk about it tomorrow. I'm not doing it tonight because tonight we're going to do pizzas.

1:08:17Ronnie Karam: All right, this is bullshit. We're going to make pizzas.

1:08:20Ben Mandelker: Well, I don't think that you should stop picking on me. I don't think we're picking on you, Vicky. I'm merely relitigating my childhood trauma with my own mother with you. Okay. You know what? Sincerely. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Like, okay.

1:08:39Ronnie Karam: But they literally won't. I mean, that's never going to do it. So Vicky really starts getting triggered and then she goes in and she's like opening the oven, like kind of jerking it open and making stupid little homemade pizzas. And then Shannon comes in. She's like, oh my God, why are you crying, Shannon? She's like, because I know this was important to you and I just wanted to hate every night for everyone. She's like, God, I don't want you to cry. I'm very upset right now. I don't want to deal with you crying and you should have stood up for me. She's like, I am in the middle. I'm in the middle.

1:09:10Ronnie Karam: Here I am in the middle of people again. And then the other girls come in and they're like, Vicky, are you mad? It's like, yes, I'm very upset right now. If you want to make a pizza, we're going to make a pizza. There's things to the pantry. Like olives.

1:09:25Ben Mandelker: I just want to get in my pajamas and read my Bible and pray. So Vicky's like, I mean, what a way to. So Emily and Jen just go off. They go off to get in their pajamas or something like that. And Vicky's like, what a way to fuck up my night. I only have so many nights left on this earth that I'm not going to be so angry.

1:09:42Ronnie Karam: Oh, wow. The third episode where Vicky is planning on dying. within a five-year period.

1:09:50Ben Mandelker: Well, I just wasted another night. So then Vicky is like, what are they doing in there anyway? Talking about me? Better not talk about me. They could leave. Okay, come here and eat some fucking pizza. She's just being like a terrible host right now. So Jen and Emily sort of like slink back into the kitchen in their pajamas that Shannon got them. And then it's all awkward and Shannon's just slicing this onion very slowly. She's like,

1:10:17it's just like tension in the air but then she tries to make it fun shannon she's like well

1:10:23Ronnie Karam: welcome to the kitchen ladies bonjour no no no um so jen's like vicky i'm sorry it seems like you feel down it's like but i'm very upset and i appreciate you saying you're sorry and what i'm saying i'm sorry i move on i move on okay i don't want to go back i don't want to go back let's not go back there. Well, I don't remember you ever saying you're sorry. Shan's like, oh, gosh. Can we just...

1:10:46Ben Mandelker: Emily, that's not how you... She's like, when did you say that you were sorry? She's like, you know what? Please stop, Emily. Please. Remember before when I said, stop. Stop. Stop. No, I'm just asking, Mom. And Shan's like, okay, but who does anyone want to cut some tomatoes? Vicky, do you want me to have these tomatoes cut? Everything is fine. Everything is fine.

1:11:07Ronnie Karam: And Emily

1:11:07Ben Mandelker: is like, Vicky, it's not...

1:11:08Ronnie Karam: Well, stop for you. Just stay stopping if I'm just asking questions. Vicki. It's like, what can I say right now? I'm really sorry about the fruit. I don't know what to say I'm sorry to you about, Emily, but I'm sorry to you for whatever you're mad about. It's like, you don't have to apologize to me. Yeah, Emily, because no one's done anything to you. Shut up. Just shut up. Oh my God. She's poking, poking, poking.

1:11:30Ben Mandelker: Vicki is having a pity party for herself. She's being a terrible host. She is the one who said the insulting thing and then she is the one who's not apologizing and then she's acting like she did apologize and she is withholding information She is, by and large, like, she is terrible. And yet, oddly enough, I'm still on her side because I find that Emily is, it's, like, annoying what Emily is doing. It's annoying to me. And, like, you're not going to get another response out of her. And you know you're not. And you're just pushing it and pushing it and pushing it. And I just, I don't know. Like, I feel like Vicky is just dealing with annoying teenagers right now.

1:12:04Ben Mandelker: And she's fed up. She's just at her limit. And so she's just like, I'm done. I'm losing my fucking mind right now. Okay, by the way, everyone, that pizza sauce is done. Everything is fine. We're a happy family. Oh, guys, hey, has anyone ever used this pizza sauce before? It's really good. It's delicious. Put it on cream cheese. Put it on salmon. It's a great pizza sauce.

1:12:27Ronnie Karam: Oh, God, thank God Michael's not here. Thank God Michael is not here. What would Michael do? Because Michael's worried that I'm going to get stressed because this group isn't always nice to each other. You're stressing yourself out. I feel like all we have to do is have an honest conversation. like friends. Vicky, listen to me. You listen to me right now. She expressed she didn't want the low-hanging fruit. I said I was sorry. Now two hours later, we're still talking about low-hanging fruit. What else do you want me to say?

1:12:52Ben Mandelker: This is bullshit. I don't appreciate negative energy in my home. I feel Jen and Emily are absolutely trying to ruin the evening. I love that she's the one saying she doesn't like negative energy when she is the gray cloud filling every corner of it. Yeah.

1:13:06Ronnie Karam: So Jen's like, what's the problem? We're just talking. and she's like, I'm taking my back off. I'm done. I'm done. So Vicky, here we go. Vicky quitting again.

1:13:15Ben Mandelker: Play the quiet game. I'm taking it. Everyone, just play the quiet game. Play the quiet game, okay? So Emily's like, maybe it's disrespectful if you tell us to play the quiet game. You're treating us like children. I mean, you're acting like a child. Let's be honest here. So Vicky quits, which is also ridiculous. I mean, they're all being so silly. And I'm, of course, having a great time watching it. And Jen goes to Shan. She's like, I mean, you're just like dancing around all of this. Okay, you're like the dancing fruit. She's like, well, I am trying to salvage the night. Do you want a pizza or do you not want a pizza?

1:13:46Ben Mandelker: I want low-hanging pizza tonight. That's what I want.

1:13:50Ronnie Karam: Vicky's mumbling like, I spent$400 hitting the pool. Did they even say thank you? No. Listen, if you're having to worry about the$400 every time somebody comes to swim in your pool, you shouldn't have a pool.

1:14:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's miserly right there. so then Mike shows up and the music is like like oh no Mike is here what are we going to do with Mike

1:14:14Ronnie Karam: oh no terrifying fire at Mike is here

1:14:18Ben Mandelker: it feels like a horror movie because Vicky has gotten she's getting angrier and angrier and now she's like gone off to her room and there's like this feeling like in her room she's like switching to her native form which is like some 700 year old witch that's like looks like a tree or something like that and like oh you cannot cast eyes on Victoria in this form and Mike's knocking was like, Vicky, will you let me in? And he's like standing outside her bedroom door for a long time. And then she finally lets him in. And it's like, what's happening in the bedroom?

1:14:45Ronnie Karam: Oh gosh. Should we leave? Should we just leave here? I want to call an Uber. Okay. Well, I'll turn the ovens off. I don't want to burn down our house. You would think that I would tell my children that at some point, but I don't know. Maybe I'll learn from this episode too late.

1:15:00Ben Mandelker: So then Vicky comes out of the bedroom and Shan's like, Vicky, Vicky, this is not good. And she's like, Mike is here, okay? We're not talking about Mike because he's already very upset. She's like, well, everyone's feeling very uncomfortable. And then Emily and Jen are packing. And he's like, you guys, everybody can get the fuck out of my home. And then she goes up to the production. She's like, I'm out of my mind with what's going on. I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.

1:15:21Ronnie Karam: Everyone get out. Oh, Vicky, what a loser. The fact that this is your 20th year and you can still be this triggered by Emily, who is doing the most ham-handed nagging and triggering I've ever seen in my life. It's like so. You are such a sucker. Yeah.

1:15:39Ben Mandelker: Serious.

1:15:40Ronnie Karam: Seriously.

1:15:41Ben Mandelker: Also hilarious that the cliffhanger is, will the women leave Vicky's La Quinta house?

1:15:48Ronnie Karam: Like two hours before they're going to be forced out anyway, because this is only a 24-hour trip. I know.

1:15:54Ben Mandelker: Will they get pizza?

1:15:55Ronnie Karam: Bye, Vicky. What will their dinner be?

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