#3542 Next Gen NYC S2E013 Part One: Brooksie Torture House

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1:51Ronnie Karam: Watch What Crappens

2:17yeah a little norway portugal's action so i'm gonna be there all next week and then i'll be all fresh as a daisy ready for us to go on to a tour yeah well that's coming up tour

2:30Ronnie Karam: starts october 3rd in kansas city and chicago we're going to a bunch of places and we're doing it all between now and february 28th so go to our website watch what crappens.com and you'll see a calendar there for everything and tickets are already available so go buy some tickets won't you okay we're gonna finish with the golden crappies in new york city on february 25th lord only knows who'll be joining us lord only knows ask the lord ask the lord who's doing it and give us a give us a holler so we know it'd be easier to know um today is a recap for next gen nyc the first reunion ever if you wanted that on video you can get that over on our patreon that's also where you get add free listening it's where you get bonus episodes it's a good time okay go over there so today next gen nyc episode 13 reunion part one ever i know what'd you think of the reunions I thought it was really good.

3:39Also loved the set. And I don't know why they never have just like one big series of like, like cushioned benches. You know, this was so, this was great. Like they normally have all these sofas and couches and chairs. Like they did it perfectly. They just had like a nice, it was like the edge. It's like if you go into like a bar, you know, it's just like one long row of tufted cushions to sit on. So I thought it was great. I liked it. What did you think? I love that. That's my favorite.

4:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was good. I did love the couch as well. I thought so too. But I was like, damn, that is one gigantic couch. They've got 90 people on this show. I didn't realize how many people there were on that show until I saw the couch. You know, you probably just don't think about things until you see the furniture involved. Yeah. That's how I felt. That's how you really know. Yeah. Brooks really came in here. I think Charlie clocked Brooks pretty well. When he said, oh, you know, Brooks gets a lot of shit this season for not doing anything. So now he comes in guns blazing, which is true. Brooks came in a turquoise jacket and was like, I'm going to get him today.

4:51Ronnie Karam: No one's going to mess with me when I've got this dark of a spray tan on. And he tried to go for it, but it fizzled out pretty quickly. Nobody gave it to him. They're like, okay. yeah it's like when your toddler is screaming in the back and you're just like okay and then you just get out of the car and you take a bus and just leave your baby in the car yeah i think meredith clearly gave him a pep talk and like you are being too passive this season you gotta get in the mix so um he came in ready ready to fight um i mean he'll be fine i think he'll don't leave your babies in the car. That was not nice.

5:30It's a fan of things. But he came in. I mean, I don't think Brooks is really in any danger of being dropped from the show because he's Meredith's son and he's, you know, but he definitely, he really, he went from being the center of the show to being at the edge of a very, very, very long, beautiful couch. That's not good. Well, was he the center? Really? I mean, last season he was like the center. He was like the one who's like, I know this person and I know that person and we do this thing together. And he was sort of like our narrator or like our focal point, I felt like. And it was about him just, you know, having just like dealing with New York City.

6:15And I don't know. I felt like he was a bit more central. It feels like a haze last year. But this year he was really barely in the show, to be honest, or just felt like he was barely in the show.

6:25Ronnie Karam: Well, look, I don't need him to really do much. I mean, some of the most brilliant people don't say a whole lot of stuff that I know about. I mean, I love Stephen Sondheim musicals. I don't think I've ever read an interview with Stephen Sondheim. It's not like he's on TikTok every day, but he creates something beautiful. And Brooks is the same way. Like, I don't need to hear much from him, but every day he spends making people happy by creating my favorite thing, bread. Oh, I thought you were going to say Terry Light. um i do have a terry light shirt it's not from brooks i guess it's not called terry light it's not called terry light it's called whatever um whatever marshall's does but it's very light terry and it didn't fall apart in the washing machine i will say that maybe i would rather wear brooks's bread i'll wear brooks's sourdough make me a sourdough shirt i was done that there boom trademark it love that i'm in yeah no i think brooks receded this season and actually to a certain extent, I think Riley did too.

7:25I think they both wound up a little bit more periphery. Riley had a bigger role than Brooks did. And then I think that Amira and Ava, and obviously Shy, had like big you know, come-ups or whatever, but like they took the place. We saw a lot more Amira, we saw a lot more Ava, and obviously Shy was barely in last season. So I think we saw a change in the power dynamic, and they were really compelling. What can I say? But anyway, let's get into it, shall we? We're in Manhattan, because of course, because it's next-gen New York City, and they all start to arrive with a typical hi, hi, hi. Everyone's getting dressed.

8:09Ronnie Karam: Also a very typical New York next-gen NY thing, where they're like, wow, these guys are so famous. Look, the whole internet's talking about them. And it'll cut to somebody being like, oh my god, I wonder if Ariana and Riley have spoken yet. Cut to another clip. Oh, my God. What's Riley doing right now? I can't even go to sleep. What is a cast of Next Gen NYC doing? They're just so famous. Mark my words now, everyone. I will be saying salacious things to the camera with, like, wide open eyes. solely so that way I can get projected onto a building next season about this cast. Just watch. You will see me in the middle of a...

8:57We'll be talking about Below Deck, and I'll be like, I heard that Ava Dash is going through it. What's next for this young starlet? And I'm like, I'm just going to put those in every recap. One of them's got to hit. I want to be back on a building, okay? Because I feel like we obviously had our moment, but I don't know. now I've tasted the drug. I'm chasing the dragon. I'm riding the wave. I want to be on multiple buildings. Put me on 30 Rock. Project me onto one of those pencil towers, okay? I would like to be a projected face. Insert me into a mirror the way they did Lara on Sup. Put me onto a refrigerator.

9:35Stick me onto one of Brooks's loaves, okay? I want to be a talking head again on Next Gen New York

9:42Ronnie Karam: city i want to break this loaves hey stop taking my spot that's the only thing i care about on this show is that damn bread i'm doesn't matter i'm cutthroat i'm taking over anyway practicing some salacious things okay go on okay do it now say some salacious things do some tests for the building here's one i'll start okay guys jesus manipulated so much of this cast it's time that we talk about Jesus manipulation. Here's what I'm going to, I got to lower this mic so that way I'm not obscured for the skyscraper. Okay. It doesn't go any lower. Oh God, I'm maroon. Okay, I'm going to sit up tall. Okay, this is for the skyscraper guys.

10:23I was really shipping Liam and Ariana but now that they are sort of broken up, I don't know what's next for them. I just hope that Liam is able to find someone because if he's not, I'm not sure he's going to be okay. Thank you. Thank you. i think that was pretty good maybe we need to shorten them a little bit because they're really yeah that was long that would wait let me do it again sorry that was like millennial let me do some yeah do do one that's shorter guys is it me or is like liam suddenly hot that's that's gonna be on that's good they're putting that on columbus circle okay how about um um okay word on the street is that georgia has a new product and this one's actually pretty good thank you thank you thank you um whoa guys i'm about to go mariska hargett gay for liam

11:24i don't know if you guys have seen it but charlie zaccor is apparently now into parkour i'm gonna walk my way from that one that doesn't make sense wait oh i ruined it

11:37Ronnie Karam: well i know parkour too i'm gonna jump his bones i don't know if you guys have seen shy's new outfits but i think he's totally started a trend with a collar outside of his blazer. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. By the way, the way I have to... All right, so everybody starts to come and they're getting interviewed in their dressing rooms and we go to Ariana's and she's got a pink Bible on the table. So she's pretty serious. She's into like Barbie Bible-ism. Well, yeah, the Bible is doing great work for that family. So Gia is... Biblically blonde. So Gia's like, how are you feeling my love she's like terrible i'm angry at myself for allowing someone somebody to manipulate me in such a way i'm like ariana don't be so mean to your mom okay so anyway she continues no kidding it sucks she's like hold on i've just got a venom on my mom about 30 dollars she goes she says and it sucks i mean obviously the liam of it all and like hurting liam like that oh ariana don't even act like you really care about hurting liam you don't care i can't gee is like yeah now you're upset you charlie didn't manipulate you into hurting liam give me a break no one manipulated you you saw the show you've seen the first seasons of this show get the fuck out of here with that yeah i think ariana's nice and everything but i'm not falling for this crap it's just like oh i was so manipulated now i have a pink bible you're never gonna do this to me again.

13:09No. No. And then Gia's like, what's going on with Hudson? You think he's gonna show up today? She's like, yeah, he will. So America takes a collective breath of relief. Hudson will be there.

13:24Ronnie Karam: We go to Brooke's dressing room and Liam's on the couch in there and Brooke's like, uh, my heart really went out to you watching those last couple of episodes. Yeah, man. Loves the bitch what can i say it's the name also my new short it's sequel to carrera it's called loves a bitch comma carrera a carrera story um or like my mom likes to say stop being a little bitch sorry i don't know where i'm going with that it hurts it hurts it hurts you know mom says a lot of times you're either a cat or you're a dog but sometimes you can just be a cat dog okay get over a kid and i'm like what um georgia comes and i'm just like oh my god what are we in our doctor's office like what is this oh my god that just gave me a dot an idea for like a doctor office product a doctor's office is like fun we can make it like white oh my god we could call it yuck but it's about taking blood samples so shy i'm gonna be a doctor called doctor doctor shy rolls up and and um and he's like well am i am i like not supposed to come dressed like was i supposed to like not be dressed and dressed in there like i don't even understand like where am i even at is this like the doctor's office also like what's that even happening why are there cameras here ava's getting glam she's like i'm an open book i'll talk about like whatever but do we have to talk about the bahamas like that was off camera for a reason so you're a closed book actually you're not an open book also like let's be honest you know i think eva's had a tremendous second season but like let's not act like this is uh this is like george rr martin over here okay we're like we're looking at a pamphlet so then um and then we go to amira and she's I'm looking at, we see a social media post wondering, why did Amira forgive Charlie so easily?

15:30And Ariana's like, Georgia doesn't always think before she speaks. And like, think about the way this is going to affect you. She's like, yeah, I feel like I really misappropriated the blame onto her instead of Charlie, which sure that's the, is that the right use of misappropriated?

15:48I really shouldn't have used her culture like that. The unwashed hands culture.

15:57Ronnie Karam: I didn't really appreciate her culture until the audience told me that I was supposed to be more upset about it. So now I see that I should have really given Charlie way more shit in the moment. Instead of just like being so naive. So I'm going to give him more shit. The audience has spoken. That's how a lot of them come in here, which makes me crazy about this show. But it's also part of why this show is what it is. that they're all like so super famous in their own minds and they literally change their minds based on the audience opinion and admit it right up front they're just like well the audience didn't like this so i guess i'll i guess i'll switch this up today and it's kind of a normal thing at a reunion but they're just they're not chill about it at all you know but what's also like kind of funny about it is that like she's like you know what i'm gonna give charlie shit because actually people don't like Charlie, so I'm going to give Charlie shit.

16:53But then I feel like a lot of people came out of this reunion saying, Charlie's such a villain, but he is hilarious. So it's like the needle is always moving for the target.

17:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah. We go to Shai, and Shai's like, Hey, Charlie, how do you feel about the last scene? I was like, crazy. He's like, I mean, which one? The one where Ariana's like, I'm coming for Charlie? I mean, whatever. Comment me. Go ahead. I'll swing back like twice as hard. Yes, that's exactly what Charlie is. He's so good at swinging back. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. For the past few years, I have really wanted a nice, soft reading chair for my living room. I kind of light over it. I can sit there with my cookbooks. I can leaf through them, have a little coffee by my side.

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20:05Higher app engagement was associated with greater weight loss at 16 weeks. so then andy's on stage like all right it looks good in here oh good there's the cleanax okay i'm like what is there to cry about on this stage right now it's like no kidding are we masturbating like what's happening i know it's like oh hey uh brook shield's daughter tell us how your rewrites are going on your script like well i just my dad didn't like the first draft it's just been like a hard time i'm like no one's done anything sad this season uh i may eat my whereas it's probably something that was sad that happened that I'm just not paying attention to.

20:43But Andy's talking to Charlie, and he's like, hey, Charlie, you don't seem to sweat much. He's like, not over this stuff, no. Whatever.

20:55Ronnie Karam: Of course, we're waiting on Georgia, who they accused of being the biggest diva changed by fame. And she's looking at herself in the mirror, and she's like, oh, my God, looking camp, Right in the eye. Count, count. Count, count. And then they're all waiting for her, and she's coming out, but then she's like, wait a second, my tushy is out? Actually, wait, that's my butt. My butt's out. Oh my god. I'm like, you're gonna be sitting. It'll be okay. Don't worry about it. And he asks Shai to put his collar in. He's like, oh, they're asking in the control room. One side of your collar is out, the other side's under your jacket.

21:33Ronnie Karam: Just go ahead and fix it there. Flip your jacket. He's like, um, that's what I want. It's not supposed to be. Please tell me this isn't a trend. I did not. And he's like, okay, well, I guess the old folks just didn't know that that's the look. I just told the old folks, is this a Gen Z? Look, I don't want to be like, these stupid kids, you know, because we all steal the kids' fashions, ultimately. But this did not look great, I felt like he looked he had one he had one flap of his shirt hanging out he had the collar out I remember back in the queer eye days of like you know the heady days of like 2001 2002 and Carson Kressley was teaching us about like the exciting world of tucking one half of your shirt in you know but this was it just didn't look right it was like what because the side that was untucked was really untucked.

22:34Ronnie Karam: Well, I feel like this is a case of the young people stealing something from really old people. Because when you leave the house and you're really old, this is what you do. You're disheveled. You've got one collar under. You've got one collar out. You've got your underwear hanging out the back of your pants. You've got maybe a toilet paper coming out of your shoe. And that's Shy's crowd. That's who he steals his fashion from. well it's also funny because like shy's whole thing is he's always acting kind of aloof or confused by the situations like i didn't even realize this was happening and so he's he actually is sort of caught right now where he is he has intentionally putting his collar out and it kind of suggests like what i wasn't even paying attention i didn't even realize my collar flopped out and then when he's called on and he's like well no no no it's it's supposed to be like that i'm supposed to be confused and disheveled like i didn't even know how to put myself together it's called effortless andy or is it still under so perfectly under can i see a shot of this okay all right welcome to next gen nyc their children and they're very very famous ask talk tick all right well in a blink of an eye we saw friendships relationships and even apartments change wow Welcome to your first reunion, icons.

23:56Ava's like, yeah, we're all so nervous. And Rowan's like, yeah, I thought there was going to be a live audience. I saw the Love Island reunion, and I thought we'd be getting the same thing. But I guess not. Okay. Yeah.

24:10Ronnie Karam: Rowan's like, where are we? I've never even seen this show before. Oh, get out of here. You've at least had Bravo on before, haven't you? Don't you do that before you go on something? Do you homework? They're so confused. It's so funny because the new Vanderpump Rules cast is also about the same age as this cast. But they're very reality TV savvy. I think because they've all auditioned and been on several shows. Which is funny because a lot of the people on this show are children of reality stars. But there's something about this cast where they just seem so confused by this whole process. This cast feels more like Gen Z.

24:46They're confused even by the concept of television as opposed to YouTube or TikTok. So, I don't know. It's like a weird different tonal shift.

24:58Ronnie Karam: That's crazy. Yeah, and Andy's like, are you guys excited? Are you nervous? And Amir's like, why is Beyonce coming?

25:09Yes, Beyonce is coming. so Andy's like okay well there's an elephant in this room that must be addressed Ariana's current dating status I was like there's actually another elephant but well this happened before the elephant and he's like Ariana both of you both you and Georgia talked about the status of your relationship with Hudson when you were on Watch Rampons Live first Georgia confirmed that you and Hudson were back together are you really back together and she's basically like we're taking it day by day and we're figuring it out trying to see if we can make it work and we decide right now it really wasn't the best time for us so I'm single and figuring out my life

25:51Ronnie Karam: Liam, what are your thoughts on this? He's like, yeah, I don't know exciting news I guess I'm not mad at her she's gone through a lot got no hard feelings that's basically it okay very cool You know, these couches have a high back. I'm surprised you're able to get your elbow all the way on top of it. That was impressive. That's just how actors sit, Andy. All right? I'm thinking about things. Thinking about things deeply. Hold on. Let me look down to the side. And is the camera still on me? I'm feeling things. Very deeply, Andy. All right. Well, Charlie, you've spoken to Hudson or Ariana, the cops recently.

26:33Ronnie Karam: Anybody? He's like, yeah. I mean, Hudson reached out to me. This is no big deal. Like, he expressed his frustration and his anger. And I was like, okay. Wow, like a mean text here and there. But, you know, me and Ariana haven't spoken in a couple of months. So I sort of reached out, kind of apologizing. I don't know. I said maybe I could have been more delicate with their emotions. I don't know. In hindsight, maybe I should have done that. I don't know. I don't know. I barely have a phone, Andy. I don't know. It's all stupid. It's all fucking stupid. Well, you definitely don't have Bluetooth speakers.

27:05We know that much. Hudson's going to join us a little bit later. So America, get excited for that. And we'll get a chance to revisit all of this from his side. Again, very exciting for America. Okay, so let's check in on the people who are coupled up. Gia, what does your mom think of the move and the fact that you're so far away from Christian? She's happy for me. And Christian and I, we're moving in together in November. And we're looking in the city. The city of Trenton. And I'm going to make everyone come down to Trenton, New Jersey, three times a season.

27:40Ronnie Karam: Andy, I mean, Rowan, your relationship still boring, I'm assuming. Okay, let's get past Rowan and Riley. How's your relationship going? She's like, um, I feel like this is the first, like, healthy relationship I've ever been in. Has he said two words yet? No, but, you know, eventually I'll stop talking and he'll get in there. I'm pretty sure. All right. Well, that's good. It's nice that we got to see a single scene with him. And, Brooks, your boyfriend, Cade, lives in Austin. How are things going with the two of you? We're getting an apartment together in New York, and I think that's, like, more of a reason to spend more time here if I wasn't enough.

28:26Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. All right. Amira, what's going on with you and Kevin? Did you guys move in together? um no we had some situations that were happening last season but like maybe in the future i don't know he was misappropriating my trust and so uh we'll have to work on that

28:49Ronnie Karam: we need situation during the season can you speak less like you're trying to keep an influencing deal that would be great we're doing a show here she's like well i guess i can talk to you specifically about this, Georgia. I really owe you an apology because on my birthday, that was just the worst possible timing because the night before, I literally cried myself to sleep because of Kevin-related things that were happening and I did not know what the future was going to hold. And then the next day, I was brought up on camera and I was trying to navigate my relationship with him. And when he was brought up, I would get extra bitchy.

29:22Ronnie Karam: So I'm just like, sorry, the Kevin situation. That's all I'm really allowed to say right now hashtag ad okay but my skin feels very soft and jurgens really doesn't approve of the way that kevin might have been treating me i'll hold that for next season thank you kevin was a little rude to the jurgens alligator so it became a brand issue so george was like um yeah i think that like the context is very helpful excuse me for my cough and like i run like very jealous in my relationship so i get it and that topic was like really sensitive to you and i've like been there so i appreciate the apology a lot yeah okay well this is so fucking nice boring okay georgia you went on gs podcast and said you and present broken up wow what came between you germs and she's like oh i'm like for now like a romance with him is like off the table because like we also have a But we have a pact that he's freezing his sperm, and then I'm going to freeze my eggs.

30:29Ronnie Karam: Because we just want to have a really cold baby so I can start selling coat coats.

30:39Andy's like, he's freezing his sperm like Craig Conover? Yeah, he's worried about lithium batteries. Is he worried about lithium batteries having his child? no no so then andy was like all right well after watching the rocky horror performance

30:59Ronnie Karam: lithium batteries jesus i guess he's worried that is that a reason not to have children there's so many reasons right now to not have children i mean turn on the tv for christ's sake i i just assume he thought that maybe lithium batteries were going to make him sterile and which you know i like um oh they just they just don't want things sterilized between the two of them sterilization they just don't it's like he's really worried about um like hand what do they call that the hand gel that my meemaw always puts on or used to put on pure l the hand gel yeah like anti he's worried about never mind he's windex yes my meemaw used to put windex all over her hands it was crazy so we get a question about hook and ava is also an influencer so she doesn't really want to answer anything properly um so he's like well what's happened with with hook she's like um like honestly like hook is like honestly like things just like honestly okay did did he cheat on you know she's like well yeah i mean god is that what you guys were getting from what i was saying i thought i was being more mysterious about it yeah clearly he cheated on you yeah well i'm thankful like for the girls like especially like ariana and gia because like we weren't in the best place at that time but they were like really there for me it's like girls it's like girls with girls it was all right that's great that's a very uplifting sentiment but i care more about this what happened with you and kyle cook and she's like um yeah i mean yeah we kissed it was like whatever and but you know he's 43 and you're 26 isn't that crazy and shy's like andy andy not in front of me i mean i'm like right here i mean like what i don't even understand like is my call her out?

33:09No, it's not. I mean, it is? What? I don't know. Is this like a reunion? Wait, this is a reunion? I thought we were just like hanging out. What? It was crazy.

33:15Ronnie Karam: It's like it's not even really that crazy of like a difference. I mean, whatever. We shared a kiss in the Hamptons. It was like a musical festival kiss. Whatever. I made out with Bethany Frankel at Burning Man. I mean, ooh. Alright, I'm gonna process that. In the meantime, Georgia Plastic from Spoon said, when you appear to watch happens live you said Ava was with Kyle for money and a secure spot no I never said money and Ava's like you said monetary gain because no that's not what I said and the actual quote was something like you know when does a young woman hook up with a guy that's much older unless there's like monetary or social gain to it so she's like I didn't say you did it for monetary gain I said it's monetary or social gain yeah she's like yeah but like when you see a huge age gap situation like that like usually and she's not even huge yeah but in my opinion that's like a big age gap it's like huge it's like usually either for social yeah or financial i never said ava was with him for financial game i said or financial gain or financial gain not for financial game i mean the f really makes a difference is all I'm saying.

34:35Ronnie Karam: And no one really talks about that. The breadth of letters that you could use. What's so funny is because so much of the conversation around Kyle over the past few months has just been like, well, Kyle never ages. Look at Kyle. He looks so young. He looks the same as when the shows are. Kyle looks so young. And then here comes this show to be like, what was it like making out with a very old man? How did you feel getting caught kissing the old lady from the end of the Titanic? who got her jewel from the bottom of the ocean. When you made out with Kyle, did the little robot aliens in the basement get mad at you from batteries not included?

35:15I'm sorry, that's Hugh Cronin. Sorry, different person.

35:22Ronnie Karam: When you started making out with Kyle, did you feel like he was going to hit you on your head with his purse like you were Ben White? Ruth Buzzy. question when you started making out with Kyle did he ever try to sell Quaker oats on you oh I'm sorry that's Wilford Brimley different person entirely my bad well dating in New York City isn't for the fate of heart shy we got to see you and you and Ava enjoying single live what's the latest with the two of you he's like um we went a little bit we went a little bit in new york uh and i don't know like kind of fizzled but like i really don't have a straight answer for that so i mean i don't know it was just like a weird time in new york it was like seasonal it was like a seasonal thing yeah it's just like i mean i don't know it's like weird it's like i you know seasonal you know i had seasonal affectation affect affective disorder you know depression seasonal depression It was like weird And he's like you had seasonal depression He's like yeah Yeah I did And I was the answer To seasonal depression Thanks And he's like oh no Yeah I mean I don't know I guess Is that how seasonal depression works I really don't know I really don't know how any of this goes Andy Alright shy Boss from Red Sox really smell Because they haven't been watched in 30 years Our Charlie and Brooks claims that you had a crush on Ariana, Drew?

36:58And he's like, no, I never had a crush on Ariana. And then Brooks is like, well, he lied throughout the entire season, so why would he be honest now? That's your take on it, but that's not what's been presented to us. So Brooks coming in hot to say that Shai has been a liar all the time, just kind of like landing flat with me. Well, he lied once.

37:20Ronnie Karam: He got caught lying once. when he was like oh my god you guys should i totally go tell hudson about uh that guy trying to date ariana they're like no don't do it and he's like the girls told me to do it so i guess he got caught with that that's because he's a jester um but they've been charlie how dare you how dare you but they um they did not like shy ever since the bravo con panel and yeah we haven't We still have not been able to figure out exactly why. But Brooks does not like him. Brooks doesn't like him also because this latest fashion show thing was kind of embarrassing for Brooks. Because Brooks' thing is like, I would like to thank Hot Chocolate for sponsoring my Terry Light TM and this food court in, you know, wherever.

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40:48Ronnie Karam: Terms apply.

40:54Anyway, Charlotte's like, I frankly don't think that Shai's a liar at all. I mean, I don't think it's like, well, of course you don't. You two are like, join at the fucking hip. Gia, say that for me as well.

41:06Ronnie Karam: you guys are like joined at the fucking house thank you yeah and you're a liar too ariana says and he's like oh well i mean look shire will be accountable occasionally i mean whatever i mean like he has like had a crush on ariana i'll say that honestly but like i don't think he lied outright it wasn't like an outright lie it was just like i'm like whatever like stupid ariana what do you think she's like i don't think that at all shy is one of my best friends okay Charlie how would you describe Shai's games like I mean he managed to land Ava which is like no small feet and he's like all right well Shai what about Charlie does he have a certain charm and he's like yeah yeah Charlie's got he's got he's got game that's for sure yeah I think so it's like yeah you're charming you're charming I'll say that you are charming oh thanks Brooks And you know what, Brooks?

42:00Ronnie Karam: You're handsome and you dress well.

42:05But you're also caught outside the crypto torture house.

42:09Ronnie Karam: Oh, dun, dun, dun. You can't hold something against somebody who has no shame. You know what I mean? You cannot shame the shameless. And this cast is just never going to learn. And it's so funny because Charlie's like, I mean, sorry I'm into finances. like yeah it's called like making an effort in life okay it's like trying to learn italian like one minute you guys complain i don't have a job and then you're mad that like i'm torturing somebody over crypto it's called work losers maybe if that guy just give us his account we wouldn't have had to torture him think everything about it that way so uh george is like wait why can't we talk about that like all the questions that i'm like getting asked about the show like Why isn't this being talked about more?

42:54Okay, two things that need to be talked about more. Charlie's involvement in a crypto torture house and also the number of groceries in a grocery store. No one's talking about this.

43:05Ronnie Karam: I know. We tried to talk to you about it at Halloween and you completely shut it down. What do you want to know? A guy was tortured in a crypto house. Charlie was there, probably involved in some way, and he didn't get arrested for it. That's it. What do you want him to talk to you about? his emotions during the crypto how i torture thing you guys like you guys need a better line of questioning i'm not saying don't question him about it i'm just saying like there's so many other things that they could be asking like well it's been rumored that you were getting like underage girls for the guys who were running the torture house like you weren't just there you were actively involved and like working with the you know whatever the rumors have been bring them up Yeah.

43:48Did you zap this man with the frayed wires from a lamp? Did you do that? Of course, that's purely a reference to the seminal TV show 24 where Jack Bauer was tortured by a lamp. But that's like my go-to torture image.

44:05Ronnie Karam: Did you force somebody's eyes and ears open to watch this past season of The Valley? did you just go on a vacation with danny bucco and listen to say let's go

44:20Ronnie Karam: uh and liam's like i mean you you know look you refusing to answer anything that's what makes everyone in here nervous and i am nervous i'm feeling it feeling it right now feeling it very very deeply i'm so nervous i may uncross my legs and sit in a different position but i'm gonna hold i'm gonna hold firm hold firm in the actor's sitting stance which is okay okay okay position thanks for us okay sorry for interrupting you three-quarter got it okay so i'm gonna address it just just whatever you want go ahead uh i've been addressing it to the best to the extent that i can okay to the extent all right to be clear have you been charged no no i've not are you currently in litigation relating to this case uh no i uh i would not say i would not say no it's um it's really quite nuanced but uh no mostly and uh frankly frankly hitherto but could you be called to speak on the case or will you be called to speak on the case well you know it's i mean honestly it's i mean anybody's guess so i'm not entirely frankly i'm still uncertain and confused about, I mean, what is this?

45:34Ronnie Karam: What are cases? What is the law? Where has the law gone in America? Thank you. I mean, it really is so nuanced. I mean, because like, if you torture someone really well, it actually, there's like an art to torturing someone. And then at a certain point you say, is this a crime if you're just doing your art? So there's a lot of facets and nuances to it. So honestly, I can't talk about it. I don't know if I'll get called or charged, but I don't like things being charged. That's why I have other people pay my tabs. So Andy's like, all right, Brooks, you and Charlie were friends before the show, but you came into season pretty upset with him when you were introducing Liam to the group.

46:08What did you tell him about Charlie? Just that like we weren't really in a good place and that I didn't appreciate what he had said about my family the year prior. And then last year, we see a flashback to Charlie and say he'd rather cut off his own dick than have a meeting with Seth.

46:30Ronnie Karam: And I had no idea what had happened in the media pertaining to the crypto torture house. Oh, you just love repeating those words. Why don't you just put it on a shirt, Brooks? Maybe you'll actually sell one. Okay. Ooh, crypto torture house. There he goes again. Stupid. Stupid. If I'm going to torture someone, I'm going to put them in Terry Light and make them walk across the street slowly in sub-freezing weather. so then charlie is the first time i've ever said those words to you so i don't even know why you're upset i'm mad brooks i'm taking over this reunion crypto torture house so charlie's like you know the only reason why i brought up your dad is because you brought up my dad first that's how i see it he's like that's untrue you said you'd rather cut off cut your dick off than go to lunch with my dad.

47:19Honestly, it was not nice of Charlie to say that, but if you're someone like Charlie, if you're just in your 20s and then your friend's dad wants to take you to lunch to give you a pep talk about life, I think the sentiment of wanting to cut off your dick instead could possibly enter the brains of many people. It's nothing against Seth. It's just like, I'm 29. I don't want to to go and sit and talk to someone from an older generation about being pansexual and like them trying to like try they're like they're going to like do a dry run of their motivational speaking tour on me like and i have to sit there and smile on camera like no i don't i don't want to do that at all i think that's like i think charlie was like a little fair in saying that it was rude

48:09Ronnie Karam: okay but it wasn't wrong well tell my dad to rescind his lunch fight But of course, I'm like a good little boy. So anytime anyone's father's like, I'll take you to lunch. I'm like, okay, sure. I would love to learn some life lessons from you, sir. Yeah, I generally have always preferred hanging out with people's parents. I'm like, wow. Now we can have a real conversation, you guys. What are you thinking for retirement funds? But you know, if you're like, oh, you know what I'm going to do today? I'm just going to sit on the sofa and I'm going to watch a movie. Oh, wait. I have to get dressed and go to lunch with my friend's dad, who's going to give me life advice, but not really.

48:53He's just going to talk at me because he's just practicing his own mantras.

48:57Ronnie Karam: Well, then don't do it. Nobody's holding a fucking chainsaw to your leg like you're in a crypto torture house. Oh, there he goes again. You know what, Brooks? You read a comment saying you don't stand up for yourself, and now you come in here guns blazing. Like, it's crazy. Turquoise doesn't help, Brooks. okay jesus christ can you spray tan your spray tan your personality because jesus christ it's pale oh my god you basically your soul is the inside of a sourdough okay fuck um i actually watched back a season of you talking shit about me i'm sorry brooks yeah charlie said things but like you were the one who was mainly coming at charlie like i think charlie sort of responded i don't want to be a charlie defender okay he is he is someone who's involved in a crypto torture house but like brooks acting like he was just sitting by and like charlie and and like just took it on the chin over and over and over again from charlie it was mainly brooks going after charlie if you ask me yeah i'm being like no one should hang out with charlie why is charlie in my name charlie's coming to charlie wants to talk to me outside hold on what do you want to say charlie running down he ran away so he's like i mean what the fuck like you haven't talked about me either you haven't talked about that i mean what that's what we do we're on a tv show give me a fucking break yeah but i was pretty direct about how i felt the entire no you weren't no the fuck you weren't and there's not a person on earth watching the show who thinks you were direct and listen i'm gonna say that a lot today because i know how the audience feels all right i've got my finger in one place and that is in the psyche of this audience okay i i respect direct people unless you want any sort of direct answers about the crypto torture house it's very nuanced i can't give you a direct answer um so andy's like charlie when you saw the scene where you called brooks dad's dad pathetic and you said fuck your dad he's like i didn't say pathetic by the way and she's like you called him a house husband and that that's and that's pathetic it's like correct I said he should be embarrassed and Brooke's like why should my dad be embarrassed you're the one outside of a torture house like maybe if you listen to anything he said you would know that he's a high level executive and has worked his ass off to provide for my family in a non-torture house environment Big Lots didn't bankrupt itself bitch okay and Charlie's like okay well I mean then okay I'll get into Seth I'm so sorry I'm so sorry but what about to me well I think you walked into it I think you asked for it with my dad comment I think that everyone here can agree like if it was anyone else's dad all hell would have broken loose and I probably handled it the most chill no one else's dad made me go to lunch with them I was talking about going to lunch with your dad but Brooks being like I handled it the most chill I was like, you don't have any other emotional register.

52:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, pretty much. So he's like, stop talking about my fucking dad. Whoa, look, I cursed. I'm really on one today. Oh, my God. Just apologize to him, Charlie. Okay, sorry for not wanting to go to lunch with your daddy year prior. Jesus Christ. That's not a genuine apology. That was like a torture house apology. the way you treat me versus the way you treat everyone else here is different what do you think the root of that is wow i love this this is gonna be good i genuinely don't know okay you think he's homophobic just say you think he's homophobic uh do you know how many gay friends i have charlie i also know black people and i've grown up in new york city my entire life homophobic is such a ridiculous i mean it's just fucking stupid i mean jesus christ you know like i i was hanging out with uh gay people just the other day i have a gay friend we call big big gay fucking fag fag okay and we were hanging out the other day and big gay just he sucked ariana's friend's dick and then he sucked another dude's dick in the bathroom and that's my friend so how are you calling me homophobic i'm friends with the gay whore so he sucked all these guys dicks and i still blessed him with my friendship that is what you call homo accepting like um okay he's like just the other day i went into a store and there was a gay man who was working there and i said hello to him is that homophobic i don't think so oh god um i just kind of like his handling of this question it's like no you know look it is it is possible to be annoyed with brooks because of other things because of other there are other reasons than the fact that brooks is gay i mean come on yeah i did i did really like the the direct quote which is i am not homophobic i don't think anyone i've grown up with or been friends with would even humor that perception the person that i arrived to the halloween party with he sucked ariana's friend's dick in the bathroom and another dude's dick in the bathroom the same night one of my best friends pulled up suck two dicks and i'm fucking best friends with him

54:27please hand over the glad award now

54:32Ronnie Karam: also introduce us to your friend because yeah and there's that too you couldn't use a decent polish once in a while yeah you know we're friends and he's a giant dick sucker so we call him big gay okay so homophobic is that homophobic and he's like well okay well i guess he got you on that one uh the social circle expanded this year when we got rowan he really didn't do that much let's be honest uh rowan uh what's your opinion of charlie she's like he's funny i mean i think he could definitely make us laugh i mean i like his niche references you know he was like the only person who really understand what butternut squash soup was and so i thought that was pretty cool on the ski trip charlie you gave rowan the sweatshirt that said my mom is the hot one how did your mom take that gift she's like yeah well she loves it and also like charlie and i were like kind of the only two people that really delivered shady gifts so i just want to put that out there to everyone and mirror's like yeah i mean that ball gag was pretty good like like yeah that was great and he's like well like what but like what i had to explain like a ball gag to Ariana?

55:41Ronnie Karam: Like, what? Okay, Gia, we'll give you a moment to catch up. This season, Rowan found herself doing what every struggling 20-something does after graduating college, moving back in with her very famous parents. Rowan, Sky from Blue, says, Were you nervous to come off a certain way knowing how high profile your mom is? And she goes, Well, I do understand that I have a reputation to uphold and that nothing is going to get between me and Mike Calvin. and I have a mother who has worked very hard and it would be disrespectful for me and the legacy of Suddenly Susan to throw that all away and tarnish her reputation.

56:19Ronnie Karam: Okay. Listen, Annie, there's a reason that I brush my eyebrows crazily. Okay? And that is because of my mother. So I just want to say everybody, get some eyebrow respect. Brooke Shields, that's my mom. Not going to ever do anything to embarrass her. Are my eyebrows bushy right now? They will be. They will be. God damn it. I'm sorry, Mom. I'm sorry. Listen, I would never come on to national TV and disrespect the legacy of my mother and all that she's worked for. I would not be some sort of disrespectful skank hag, unlike my sister who would do it in a heartbeat. Oh, well. Oh, she doesn't have a chance to rebut over here.

56:55Oh, well, that's too bad.

56:57Ronnie Karam: I'm wondering if the people in casting were like, oh, Rowan, you are so sweet. Thank you for coming. Get the sister. Get the sister. or if they're going to bring the sister on next year because that was Rowan's best scene. Was the sister being like, what do you mean you want a piece of my steak? No, I told you I was starving. You're not getting one of my meatballs. You fucking idiot. I hate you. Hey, waiter, could you get me a side of better sister? Thanks. She needs to be on. I'm like actually a little shocked that she wasn't on, but I think they need to bring her on immediately. So then Andy asks who she connected with and Rowan connected with Ariana and brooks has taught her so much and riley's saying that she loves rowan and she thinks that rowan is so funny and ava's like yeah rowan and riley taught me how to twerk the other day and then she's like yeah i mean i came home and there was like a twerk class going on like on the roof and i walked up and i was like i don't think this is like my apartment anymore i was like what like twerk like what i don't even understand it congratulations you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap.

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