#3543 Next Gen NYC S2E013 Part Two: Brooksie Torture House

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1:32Ben Mandelker: If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

1:39Ronnie Karam: Liam, you might be the businessman in New York. What? Busiest man in New York. What show are you watching? What? So you're an actor, a director, a hockey player, motorcycle enthusiast, ski instructor, volunteer fighter, horse dad. Wow. But you still found time to apply for the position you crave most. ghost ariel his boyfriend sitting in a tree k-i-s-s god this is boring why are there children can we get some older ladies who are possibly on drugs yelling at each other okay go ahead

2:17Ben Mandelker: liam answer that liam what's it like to be okay at a bunch of things but not good at any one thing He's like, well, you know, the actor's life, you know. I remember, was it 2001? Was it 2000? I was on set for Hey Arnold. I was in the voice booth. I played schoolmate number three, and I had to say, hey, Arnold. Yeah, it was an honor. It's like saying, like, well, you know, live from New York, it's Saturday night, except the Nickelodeon version. Hey, Arnold. I'll just say it one more time. Anyway, it was, you know, life is hard. I try to do a lot of things, and it's just an honor to be on this show.

2:56Ben Mandelker: Carrera in theater soon.

2:59Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, are people still jerking off to your feet? And was one of those people working at Nickelodeon while your mother was there? He's like, well, you know, I mean, there is something about jerking off to feet. I don't really get it. I do get pedicures now, so thanks. but yeah I mean maybe I'm kind of an Epobaby because my mom worked at Nickelodeon I got into Nickelodeon I worked there haven't really worked since though so don't hate me yeah you know

3:32Ben Mandelker: that show they can't do that on television I've been trying to pitch a new show called I would like to do that on television and it's about me acting so anyway next question so then Andy's like alright well Jaleel from White said did Hudson setting a boundary with you make you want to pursue Ariana even more I wouldn't say that I mean it definitely puts a smile on her face knowing you're pissing off the last guy it's just what us actors do man you should have seen Mariska the time I sassed off to her ex she was like wow that was so inspiring I'm going to host the Emmys I'm sure Charlie knows about this too right Charlie

4:15Ronnie Karam: No lies. No lies, bro. Yeah, but, you know, I didn't know him anything, so I don't really care. You know, I don't even eat fried chicken. Like, what's he going to offer me? You know what I mean? And to be fair, the crush was like from the very beginning. It's like he always had a crush. So, like, I mean, the second he saw a camera, he got a crush. So, I mean, I think he's been pretty consistent. Yeah, yeah, basically. You want to talk more about that? No, not really. We'll dig deeper into that in a bit. um ariana's like dig deeper and my heart is like oh my god oh my god oh my god put my hand on my

4:46Ben Mandelker: pink pie bowl put my hand on my pink pie bowl it's like crazy so nervous so liam's like so um are we gonna dig into this after lunch is that what's gonna happen after lunch and this week by the way this begins liam's obsession with lunch on this reunion because then every time we see liam after this he's like are we going to lunch will there be coffee at lunch do you think there'll be good snacks at lunch will there be salad are we gonna have silverware or will it be plastic does anyone know any more details about lunch almost like why are we still sitting here like

5:18Ronnie Karam: how was there a whole segment about someone not wanting to go to lunch with an old man and we're having to sit here for 12 hours with one what is this uh so they go up for a break they go out for a break and charlie tells ariana you're doing such a great job of not making eye contact with me wow Wow, impressive, Ariana. That's really cool. That's not what I'm trying to do. Okay. God, please be with me right now. Please be with me. Lord is my Savior. Pastures and pastures. Sheep in the pastures. Please come to the pastures. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord.

5:54Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, Brooks gets on to his phone. Hey, Pam, call 1-800-ICON. Oh, hello, Mother. Well, hello, Brooksie. How's everything going? Don't forget that you have to be aware that everything that you're saying now will be recorded and used against you on television So be smart about what you say

6:18Ronnie Karam: So now is a bad time to tell you that I forgot the toilet paper in my butt and now I have a rash Oh, Braxy Listen, I wanted you to be strong today So I'm glad the second that you got a break, you called your mommy on camera. It's very sweet, Bryson.

6:38Ben Mandelker: How are you? How is it going? I just feel like I'm being really aggressive. Like before, I said, hey, that's not nice. You were at a crypto torture house. But, like, no one's listening unless I'm, like, direct and super aggro like that.

6:58Ronnie Karam: Well, you shouldn't have to get to that level to get people's attention, Bruxy. You're holding back. You just need to be you. If anybody tries messing with you again, change their starter. Change their starter. Thanks, Mom. Life is sourdough, Bruxy. Life is a sourdough.

7:19Ben Mandelker: Alright, well, this season we saw friendships form and fade from seemingly minor indiscretions to major blow-ups. I want to start. and with the unfollow that rocked the tri-state area when Gia called Ava a liar on a podcast. This is like, it's sort of sad because like this is the only, there's like nothing for them to talk about with Gia because like Gia didn't really do anything this season except just sort of like weigh in on stuff. So they're like, oh yeah, she had that fight in that first episode, I think. About like, you know, her mom unfollowing Ava.

7:54Ronnie Karam: Why don't we just lean into that? Yeah, when Teresa unfollowed Ava. So did you really feel like Gia calling you a liar would impact your brand deals, Ava? She's like, well, I didn't mean like directly, but it's just like when every single press thing about you is like negative, then, you know, that doesn't fucking help brand deals. Yeah, but you knew it was going to get public attention by bringing up my mom's name. So that's why you would like trying to talk about my mom to get like public attention for yourself. That's what every young person wants is a fight with an older woman on a TV show that got put on pause.

8:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I really don't think Ava is going to mind the Teresa Giudice well to get any attention. I don't think that's the form of that. She's already making out with Kyle Cook. She has different avenues if she wants it. like i don't think she needs to like gain clout by starting rumors about teresa i mean come on

8:56Ronnie Karam: teresa judice on a bravo show she's like um i didn't really think about it like that i'm just i'm like way less calculated than you are clearly i don't calculate stuff so well i don't like think about it like that i was just saying how i was feeling yeah well i'm the least calculator like person like no one puts numbers on me and then expects an answer so

9:23Ben Mandelker: samira's like ava you know if she said that back to you you would get upset she's like well i mean she said that i'm like calculated and like like you said it in the same podcast where you call me nasty like you said i'm calculated like why is it like a bad thing when i say shit like that's what really pisses me off and ariana's like well i think like she said it was a calculated move though maybe not you personally but like like that someone calculated something at some point in life like that was like a really bitch move yeah i was explaining

9:53Ronnie Karam: but you wouldn't let me finish it's press like i'm gonna answer something regarding a situation and give my honest opinion about how i felt back then it was like yeah but i just think there's

10:04Ben Mandelker: like a way to do press with kindness i mean i'm watching like what are they even talking about anymore this is like where's this i'm like not following this they're just talking like somehow this started about like theresa unfollowing her and now they're talking about like philosophically how one should approach doing the press yeah theresa unfollowed her she said

10:24Ronnie Karam: that that was a lie and ava's like oh my god you caught me a liar now i'm gonna lose brand deals by the way i texted your mom the other day and i asked her if she unfollowed ava and she told me Stop texting me Margaret You fucking bitch I still hate you And I said this is Andy And she said Andy who And I said Andy Cohen And then it was the dot dot dots Moving back on the screen for a little while And then she just wrote back Ah so it was fun It was good to see her But Ava she doesn't even know who you are She doesn't remember whether she unfollowed you or not

10:59Ben Mandelker: I mean tracks When I asked her She said honestly I don't remember And then I followed up with, can you name one of the United States that starts with the letter M? And she said, honestly, I don't remember. And then I said, at a stoplight, what are you supposed to do? And she then texted, honestly, I don't remember. So to be fair, it's not a lie she remembers.

11:28Ronnie Karam: I said, are you sure? Then she sent me a meme of herself pushing me down into a charity reunion. so anyway gia uh tia from t-neck wow said do you think do you do you think you have to have a thick skin to be on tv who needs a thicker skin eh she's like oh yeah like i think them three over there charlie even shy like it'll come with time now you know people haven't been on reality tv for like 20 years like me oh my god gia acting like she's been starring in her own reality show for years it's hilarious she's like they'll get it they'll get it call me if you need home

12:12Ben Mandelker: charlie's like um first of all objectively no i have like the thickest skin here by far maybe only trumped by my friend who gives blowjobs in the bathrooms literally just blew andy during our break and say well you're protesting that your thin skin makes you seem a bit thin yeah i know that's like the irony right so george just says yeah these three are like the only ones who have complained about things that have been said about them in the press and charlie's like i mean who else is getting dragged on a regular basis like why the fuck would i not be upset like that's

12:42Ronnie Karam: also because yeah like you don't open your mouth and like not say my name so why wouldn't i be upset there's like a watch what happens segment it's like zikor more more i like i wake hung over i wake up hung over i'm like what's up world i'm getting fucking eaten alive by old people on fucking tiktok what the fuck i know but like i see stuff that you say about me he's like i haven't

13:04Ben Mandelker: said one bad word about you and ava's like no one says anything bad about you georgia

13:09Ronnie Karam: no you have an unhealthy obsession with me it's like sick it's sick like what the fuck it's gross it's fucking scary georgia like oh god you think georgia has an unhealthy obsession with you yeah there's like not one person in this entire audience um temperature taking not one person in this entire audience that doesn't fucking agree with me.

13:29Ben Mandelker: Wait a second. I thought there was not a live audience. I'm so confused. Are there going to be people in seats in front of us? So George is like, um, I would love to never see you again, Charlie, but we're filming a TV show. I was like, yeah, but unfortunately, your lifestyle has been given to you by me. She's like, oh. She's like, your lifestyle, okay. She's like, you'd be on the streets. She's like, your lifestyle has been given to me because you get all of your money from my ex. And Brooks is just like laughing. He's like, okay, did you, wait, Charlie, did you give her her lifestyle? He's like, yeah, did I give her her lifestyle?

14:08Ben Mandelker: Your face was new. Your personality is new. No one knows you now. You're a fucking scary new person who enjoys things like, quote unquote, grocery stores and bacon, egg, and cheese sandwiches that you say. Cuomo says incorrectly, I don't even know who you are anymore.

14:23Ronnie Karam: all right i want to move on brooks um a clean from landia said why is brooks so angry and shy he's like um honestly it's something i never talked about during filming shy and i had a conversation prior to amira's birthday party where shy said he felt like he was on like the outskirts and wanted to feel closer so i was gonna make an effort with shy and i told him about things that made me uncomfortable for instance george's friend cooper asked me really invasive questions about charlie in the crypto house and i told shy and literally two days later you told him everything i said and that's where this all started brooks nothing has happened where you haven't gone to everybody else on the cast to immediately tell them what has happened i know so the issue is

15:12Ben Mandelker: So Cooper, Cooper, who formerly in partnership for Yuck, branding TBD, Cooper asked invasive questions about Charlie and the crypto house and decided. And so Brooks told Shy about what Cooper was asking. And then two days later, Shy told Cooper that Brooks had brought this up. So if you really dig into this, this is the classic case of the person who was messy then getting upset that someone exposed their messiness to the original person and is blaming the exposure, which we've seen time and time again on reality TV. But that's what's happening here. But Brooks sort of like – the way he says it, he says it as if there was something like deeply personal that was exposed.

16:04Ben Mandelker: He's like, he asks really invasive questions. No, Cooper was asking you if you knew any gossip about the crypto house and you didn't like it for whatever reason. You thought that he was being messy. So you talked about him, probably mocked him behind his back to Shai. And Shai was like, yo, Brooks has been talking about you. And then Brooks is like, how could you even do that when I brought you into this group?

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19:11Ben Mandelker: Wayfair, every style, every home. Basically, the point is that the source of this entire feud is so shallow and silly that it makes me just love this show even more.

19:24Ronnie Karam: It's just so stupid. I don't even understand the fight. You just explained it, but it still doesn't make any sense. He's kind of saying, Cooper asked me invasive questions. So he's like the victim because Cooper was hurting him. And then... How is he hurt by the invasive questions? It's just so Brooks to be like, I'm so victimized. Like last week when he was telling Amira, as someone who's had my sexuality questioned. I mean, it's like you're still talking about Jen Shaw from season two. Oh, my God. Come on. Like, how are you this hurt by everything that goes on around you, sir?

20:03Ben Mandelker: So I think that Cooper asked questions like, did you know about this crypto house? Because you and Charlie are really good friends. I feel like you knew something and you're not saying it. Are you covering for Charlie? Probably asked questions like that that made Brooks feel really uncomfortable and also made Brooks feel like he was going to be linked to this torture house. And he didn't like that. which also explains why Brooks was really skeeved out by Charlie all season long. Because Cooper asked some sort of question that made Brooks feel like, does everyone think I'm part of the torture house?

20:33Ben Mandelker: I'm not part of the torture house. This could ruin my entire life. So I think that's what he means by the invasive questions. Because I mean, Brooks himself is super critical of Charlie and the torture house, as he should be. So why is he bugged out about Cooper asking, quote unquote, invasive questions about the torture house?

20:51Ronnie Karam: he's just making himself a victim because cooper got mad at him for talking shit behind his back to shy basically so he's making cooper asked me invasive questions he might be homophobic so uh georgia is oh i press the space button and then that moved me somewhere sorry um so yeah so brooks is like georgia and georgia's like i mean like shy like i know you definitely were talking about me in brooks not conversation because cooper just called me and he was my best friend at the time like before i you know fired him and no one told me and he's like no no like i know cooper was talking about you but like i didn't say anything bad about you i mean i don't remember at all talking about brooks like whatsoever like what what i don't where are we right now i don't even know like what time what time was lunch what time what time do people have that I'm not being

21:49Ben Mandelker: I'm not being made out To be this crazy person I don't do this shit for fun I don't lie stop being invasive George is like I don't know Brooks To like make things up or lie So

22:03Ronnie Karam: He's excused We watched you lie multiple times Throughout the season just watch back the episodes Does anyone agree with what Brooks is saying and she's like oh I think There's truth to it and amira agrees to and she's like what did i just lie you guys are just saying that that i lie amira's like well it's not that you lie it's just that sometimes i think that you're really like disingenuous okay and i say this is a perfect person who skied with the birkin while she was doing a tiktok and doing her lipstick for followers okay liam's like yeah bro i think

22:37Ben Mandelker: that you're like hi let me tell you something as the actor i feel like i should weigh in on people being disingenuous um i think you're very focused on being friends with everybody and you were like trying to be boys with me and then the whole situation with hudson was like wrong and i just like you're just like a telephone bro shy's like what do you feel guilty about speaking to hudson about and liam about liam he's like i mean quite frankly after that i like learned my lesson color out at all time right and like ariana and i talked and since then i've been like trying to try my best to completely stay out of business.

23:13Ben Mandelker: Wait a second. I just realized something. Did someone tell you that at the reunion you need to call her out? You got to call someone out? He's like, yeah. It was call her out, not call her out. Oh. Oh, shit. You want to put that back into your blazer now?

23:32Ronnie Karam: Well, I just want to say it's me, Ariana, and his heart's in the right place. and like if i thought you had a malicious intent behind it i would have like given you a lot more shit for it yeah but brooks honestly like i've said this throughout the season like i was so confused why you're so frustrated with me and he's like i just told you why and you're denying it yeah it's because you like go from one person and then you tell them something and then you go to the next person and then you tell them like the opposite thing he's like um but like honestly i was like truthfully overplayed you know and i just i don't i don't know i've tried to be nothing but

24:04Ben Mandelker: kind okay guys by the way gia is the telephone of this group and i don't know why shy is getting all the shit i like shy i'm sorry i may eat my word later on because like the moment that you declare that you like someone on bravo is the moment they do some problematic shit and get into trouble and then you have to like you're just like you now put it on the internet that you like this person did something terrible okay but you know what i've been down that path so many times at this point that i just don't care anymore i like shy and i think they're being too mean to him and they all better back off yeah i mean i like shy okay he does deserve to get some shit

24:38Ronnie Karam: but you're right like brooks and gia do this stuff i think all they do is just i does it's just shy is the one who's obviously being led by production for every little thing and charlie and so and they hate charlie like we saw production be like okay you're gonna go tell you're gonna go tell them right it's like okay i can do this i can do this oh my god oh my god can i do this okay i can't i can't okay i'm gonna go talk to hudson i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it okay oh my god where am i what street am i on am i in the city still is this brooklyn like where the fuck even i'm at right now it's like all so new to me so then so uh they're saying yeah shia you

25:12Ben Mandelker: go to what george is saying how he goes to one person tells him the opposite and chai goes i think i've like like that was like truthfully overplayed and i don't think that happened much i've like tried to be like nothing but kind and brooks goes well me too i texted you congratulating you on the season two premiere and you had surgery and then they checked in on you and I was like, don't bring my tonsillectomy into this, bro.

25:36Ronnie Karam: I hope you don't treat your customers like this because I also bought one of your sweaters. Oh my god. A customer is always right. They'll start laughing. Gia, wow, god, you're boring the hell out of me uh you went to the girls night but uh argument between riley and georgia instantly ended up all over the internet so we see that flashback riley when you saw it it was obviously different from your recollection and she's like yeah i was like really embarrassed when i saw it and my comments were distasteful and i just felt really bad about it okay well that i just almost

26:18Ben Mandelker: fell asleep right away well we got a lot of viewers riley about you being critical of georgia for not having a birkin and amira's like can we clarify there was a mini kelly and not a birkin i just want to clarify thanks and riley's like yeah it was stupid i don't even know why i said that i don't even have a birkin so i don't know why i made that comment it was just like really stupid uh but like i don't know what i was talking about i was dumb i don't know why i said it okay cool well guess what carolina cream pie let's ask the girls if you tend to favor riley over georgia and ariana's like um i do no offense i do favor riley over you guys because that's my girl so

27:00Ronnie Karam: yeah sorry everyone no i know like i totally get it like that's why everybody like walked away with her like i get that yeah but she's also more tipsy than you were and that's also why it felt like you were kind of antagonizing the situation georgia because like you're looking at her and you're like really really keep going i mean riley was coming at georgia that whole night and riley's been been making little comments at georgia for two seasons now about the hand washing and how gross she is and stuff like that and part of it is just riley's charm like i'm not gonna hug you I'm not like that.

27:38Ronnie Karam: I don't hug people. You know, it's just like part of her charm. But especially when she was drunk, she was just coming for Georgia really when she wasn't doing anything. And Georgia was just being like, okay, okay. I don't think it's fair to say she was antagonizing Riley.

27:55Ben Mandelker: Right. But they do say, like, they seem to suggest that like Georgia is like not innocent in these situations. and that maybe stuff we're not seeing on camera is happening. And so Riley is like, she's like, you know, it's not just me, basically. And then Gia's like, Riley, I love you, but if she wants to comment back a little bit, she's got to defend herself in some way. And Riley's like, I never said she can't. I just want to say clearly, as we know, I was going through a lot and I just came back from Korea where I was drinking cultures big and I was just like drinking tequila like it was soju so my bad I've taken accountability I've apologized and yeah like you know I also don't want to spin this narrative like she never says anything and so then Andy asked what Candy's reaction was and basically Riley says that she's talked to her a lot and she feels bad for embarrassing Candy because it's like what Rowan said before about Brooke Shields and I have to say speaking of Candy Burris I don't know if this is a little bit of a side tangent, but I thought this was so good I just felt like we I wanted to share this because we did crappy hour last night and this happened today And I would have brought up on crappy hour if I could have but candy burris released a statement about todd tucker today Because he's been you know, he's has his trailer out for whatever movie he's doing about their divorce And he's talking about how they had like threesomes like their whole marriage.

29:23Ben Mandelker: So Candy released the following statement She says, a man who has already hurt me to my core is furthering the damage by choosing to sensationalize our sex life to stretch his five minutes of fame. What consensually happens between a husband and a wife in the privacy of their marriage is exactly that, private. His current behavior has only confirmed that I did the right thing by getting divorced. I do. I did. I'm done. And I just wanted to share that because I love that for candy. And that's it.

29:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Todd's so gross. I think Riley handled all of this segment really well, and she came prepared. I really liked her quote, I don't want to say I have a drinking problem. I definitely have a drinking limit. There you go. That's great. I think that needs to be written down and repeated at multiple housewives reunions. So she handled this well. She was just like, no, I was wrong. I apologize, period.

30:21Ben Mandelker: And I hate doing the whole thing of like, oh, my God, but they're young. But quite frankly, they are young. Like part of being in your early 20s is like learning what your drinking limit is and understanding it. And like, you know, I've said many times before, like at a certain point, like you can't be this age and this sloppy. But I think like it's not a good look. But truthfully, if you're 23 and you're like over served and being messy or whatever, it's not great. No one enjoys that. But that doesn't mean you have a drinking problem. It just means that you're 23 and you're drinking a lot because you just don't know your limit.

31:00Ben Mandelker: You don't know.

31:01Ronnie Karam: You don't know yet. Yeah. And Georgia's like, yeah, that's why I gave you so much grace. Because I was like, I've done crazy things when I'm drinking. And I was like, I really think that's just like an alcohol situation. So like, I got it. I got it. All right. Well, after apologizing to Georgia, Riley pulled Ariana aside for heart to heart about Girls Night. But who owed whom an apology? What's up for debate? Let's debate it. But Junkie from Junkie Junkdown said after being confronted by Riley for not being there the way she needed to, is there anything you would have done differently in that moment?

31:39Ronnie Karam: Or do you think Riley was overreacting, Ariana? And she's like, well, she wasn't overreacting. I just want to be there for her and I need to learn how to be better. Now, see, this is kind of the contrast. Riley was drunk that night and made an ass out of herself and has been paying for it ever since on the internet. But at least it was entertaining and not completely filtered. And I feel like this cast is already, it's like they've already been on this show for 30 years and they've gotten too smart for all of the, too smart isn't a way, but media savvy for all of it to where all of their answers are political.

32:20Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, I just want to be there for her in the best way I can possibly be. And Amira, what's going on with Kevin? Well, you know, like there's a situation which I'm not really discussing, but like the feelings about the surroundings. It's like, just fucking say it. Why is everyone so afraid to fucking speak about anything? It makes me crazy. It's like, are you all running for mayor? And so that Riley thing, at least there was someone like doing something real, you know? I feel like it's a generational thing.

32:50Ben Mandelker: I feel like there's a lot of discourse on social media about this is how we handle conflict. There's a lot of therapy speak that happens. There's a lot of very earnest stuff out there. And I think that like, you know, I think that honestly, Gen Z, you know, they came up through a time when there was a lot of discourse about how to have discourse. And so I think that's how they apply it. And, you know, that's why we have so many people on TV where it's like, your feelings are valid. It's like there's been a lot of therapy speak that has infiltrated through, you know, all of this. And in some ways, it's actually very, very good.

33:30Ben Mandelker: It's just we're so used to people in like middle-aged people who are They've been through the ringer a little bit and they don't care anymore and they just say it so I totally agree They are kind of like holding back, but I don't think that they're holding like the love island thing, right? Yeah, I don't think they're holding back for their image I think they're holding back because I think it's actually Maybe like a norm for the generation like this is how we interact with people this is what we want to say we want to be we want to hold space for this and you know be respectful and appreciate your boundaries you know and like theoretically that's still it's i think what

34:08Ronnie Karam: bothers me about it is it's kind of the love island thing where you've got this whole love island reunion and they're like oh you know that really pissed me off because like you went with this guy and like that was like totally a breaking of girl code but i didn't mean to do it that's valid like i feel for you girl i'm here for you and it's just not real it's like you're saying it's almost like when someone like jacks on vanderpump rules finally goes to therapy you know and i've always said about people like that and obviously i'm talking about a psychopath narcissist here not this cast but when you send somebody like that to therapy they just learn they don't stop their behavior they just find better ways to phrase what they're so they're still it's almost like manipulation it's like i'm still saying these shitty things and i still feel this these horrible things about you but now i've learned all these flowery hr ways to say it so you can't get upset about my opinion and it's just annoying it's like just stand behind your fucking opinion it doesn't mean you have to be crying and drunk and cursing everybody out all the time i just feel like nobody will say what they really fucking feel and it gets it's just It's tiring.

35:19Ronnie Karam: It's like plastic.

35:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but they'll get there. They'll get there. This is their first reunion, and then they're going to – That's what Gia would say. They'll get there. They will. They'll get there. They will. They'll learn. They will get there. They will get there. Don't you worry. Fame has a way of eroding good manners.

35:41Ben Mandelker: So, Ariana, have you not spoken to Riley in weeks? What's going on? and Ariana's like I mean I meant when I said that like I meant that like we had not spoken since the episode had come out and that was in a few weeks like what's going on with that so Riley says they texted briefly and like apparently this like moment on Watch What Happens Live made it seem like they were on bad terms but they're like totally fine and Ariana's like I love you Riley I never want to be on bad terms with you and I think like watching the after show I was like in tears because it was like doubling down on the fact that everything that had like on everything that had happened that night so so there was a little bit of a beef she's like i disagree because like yes i did did i like make somewhat of a joke about certain comments i made yes because like that's how i cope with crazy situations like that but like i don't want to seem like i was doubling down because like that's not true but you're and then she's like you're saying i was a shitty friend and she's like i didn't say you were a shitty friend i just said you were a friend that acted like shit like it's a little different and like i said like there were like something that like i i couldn't sometimes i could like need more of our friendship and you know because we've had like so many conversations about it commercials here comes one right now you know those pieces in your closet that you

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39:10Ronnie Karam: she's saying well you know if i had been ariana in that situation i would have been like georgia cut it out or i would have been like ariana let's go we're going outside and everybody's like but she did do that riley like did you watch the episode yet she literally did do that and so andy says well she said i'll watch what happens live that she didn't hear from you after the episode so i guess you didn't feel like you owed her any further comment or apology and raleigh's like no like when she did text me and she was like are you mad at me i said no why and then i didn't hear back from her and then i saw that clip i'm like what are my feelings you know like this tv thing is new for me like i get it you watch it back and you're reliving it again you know and you want you want something fresh from me but it's like we've done this a million times Like we've already talked about this a million times.

40:00Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, Riley, after watching it, do you still agree with your critique of Ariana of how she's handled the situation? She's like, I mean, sometimes I just need more of like, you know, like Liam and Jackson, where he got a lemon thrown in his face. Yeah, man, still got a scar from that. It's actually good. I think I'm getting more callbacks because of it. I look more weathered. It's great.

40:19Ronnie Karam: Love a lemon scar. Yeah, I would have liked that. Like throw a lemon in my face. And Andy's like, I don't think you would have liked that. Okay.

40:27Ben Mandelker: yeah but not have been good yeah so andy tells riley you know the reason i asked her if you'd

40:36Ronnie Karam: reached out was because it seemed like you might have seen it and thought oh you know what she actually did help me in the best way she could and she's like yeah like she was trying to be a good friend it's just like her and amira and even ava they were like trying to help me but like you know let's also remember when we filmed the after show i hadn't seen the episode yet because we filmed the after show before that comes out so i didn't see how bad i really was until later

40:59Ben Mandelker: yeah and i generally hadn't seen until it came out on tv and i was like whoa this is so much different than i remember and to be fair i just don't even remember it i was black out but then immediately i got flooded with hate and i had to turn off my phone because i was getting texts i almost had to change my number uh luckily my phone fell into the water so i just used my third phone instead and he's like all right well something like that'll be an obstacle to your relationships is that when you do your interviews for this show, you're asked to speak about how you felt in the moment versus how you feel now.

41:31Ben Mandelker: And even though you've moved past it and you've worked on it, and this has tripped up every single person on every Bravo show because you're all not very smart and you don't realize that when you're doing the interview and you remember how you talked about how you felt in that moment, but you don't feel that way now, you forget that that's how it works for the other people too. So think about that.

41:53Ronnie Karam: You're already zoned out.

41:55Ben Mandelker: All right.

41:55Ronnie Karam: It's actually really smart how they do the aftershows because they get them before they've seen it. And I think that that's so funny because a lot of them, like, they come on there and then they're all bitchy and they stand by them. And another example of the Valley where Kristen this whole season was, like, standing up for Danny, you know, the entire season in the aftershow and being like, no, fuck Janet still. And then once she saw the audience reaction, she came and tried to change everything at the reunion and be like, no, I mean, I stand against Danny. Totally. But we already have all of that after show.

42:29Ronnie Karam: So you can't completely lie. You know, so it's kind of messy how Bravo does it. And I like it. Yeah, we like that from Bravo.

42:37Ben Mandelker: All right. So now they go on a break. And Brooks is telling Georgia, I feel like I'm being so intense, which is just so funny that Brooks is like, Mom, I've been so aggressive. Look at me. I'm crazy intense right now. Watch out, everyone.

42:55Ronnie Karam: Just with that little jacket. It's just so funny. It looks like a little kid going to like a Bolero Easter. And he's like, I was so intense out there. Good job, Rexy. So then everyone's just eating and stuff. And Ava tells Charlie, oh, my God. did I eat with that whole Charlie thing or that whole Omar thing? I don't think we mentioned that comment, but when she was arguing with Georgia, she's like, Oh yeah. You're the one saying I'm using a man for money. The guy who fucked Omar for his AC.

43:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think we missed that, but that was a great, that was like, that was like her big line of the episode was her saying that. And, um, uh, yeah, it was a good line. And Charlie's like, So good that Charlie's going to steal it in a minute. Yeah. Yeah, she's going down, bro. Then Georgia, Gia and Georgia are talking, and Gia's like, look, you know what, Georgia, you're trying to take accountability. And she's like, I know. I just, I feel like stupid. I feel like all this time I did not realize the breadth of selection at a grocery store, and now I do. And I just feel stupid for not acknowledging that before.

44:08Ronnie Karam: I just want to say, I think my dad is downstairs trying to take off my bathtub nozzle to fix it. And I'm terrified. I just hear banging and clink, clink, clink. He's being very helpful, but I'm terrified. Okay. So Gia is, sorry, I got a little lost because I was listening to banging in the house and wondering how much this is going to end up costing. So G is like, yeah, like Charlie takes zero accountability. Like, you know, like trying to implicate that you were hurt by the split of the friendship and the betrayal that he's going to be then besties with your ex. What? Like he needs to stop insulting you, Georgia.

44:50Ronnie Karam: It's not cool. But you don't need to react to it. So then Georgia checks in with Brooks and he's a little stressed out. And she's like, yeah, but like you're doing a good job. I'm really proud of you. You're standing up for yourself. Did you find an Easter egg? Good for you. For you, Bruxy.

45:11Ben Mandelker: And then now they go back to the stage. Rowan's like, my legs look like raw chicken when I get goosebumps. They're like, wow. And then Gia's like, oh my God, Andy, you're going to die. Guess who's on my phone? It's my mother. She's an icon. Oh my God, Andy, are you using her right now to get more famous? Stop it, Andy. He's like, hi, Teresa. She's like, hi. So then we see Charlie talking to Georgia. He's like, Georgia, I promise you that if you would ever take responsibility for season one, I'll be your biggest fan again. Okay, that's the truth. Just please give me my speakers back.

45:45Ronnie Karam: He's like, for what though? And then Georgia mouthed. The Bluetooth speaker. It's all about the Bluetooth speaker. It's always about your first fight. And it's so funny that it's still that. I love it.

45:59Ben Mandelker: And then Georgia is mouthing. She's across the room. She's like mouthing to Brooks and she goes, she's saying dumb. She's mouthing dumb, dumb, and dumber to like Charlie, about Charlie, Ava, and shy. She's going dumb, dumb, and dumber. And Rowan's next to her and goes, you mean dumb and dumber? She goes, wait, how did you know that? How did you know I was saying that? She goes, because I'm next to you. I'm listening to you mouth it.

46:22Ronnie Karam: She's like, you're speaking while you mouth it, you dumbass. All right. Welcome back. Well, the headlines. Everyone's very famous. george you appeared on watch what happens live you said charlie's reputation before the crypto issue was not to invite him to your house and uh were you joking uh that's something like one of your friends actually told me charlie he's like who who who the fuck told you that i don't remember that's bullshit you can't just say things and don't remember i don't remember neither okay well that's theresa and she's a classic so she's allowed to say it she's on speaker still

46:58Ben Mandelker: oh one thing i also wanted to point out was that right before this segment started i think it was right before the segment started they were doing makeup on charlie and he's like god it's so hot in here i'm fucking sweating and god i'm sweating i'm just nervous i'm so nervous about this he said something like that and i just thought it was so funny because the beginning of the episode and he was like you don't really seem to get nervous like i don't get nervous over this shit and by the end of the episode he was like sweating out of nerves and i was like yes dragged down into the hell of a

47:25Ronnie Karam: reunion yeah well yeah but like i heard from somebody that i don't remember who said it but they said like when charlie comes to your house like he'll steal like a painting right off your wall like that's just like his reputation he's like what nobody said that uh-huh georgia you don't even throw parties so like let's be very clear about yeah i do like i have clients and i'm not gonna like fight you to every party i throw that's like crazy that's like crazy i'm pro

47:53Ben Mandelker: frankly bullshit you have threatened you have not thrown a single party other than the bowling alley she's oh my god like i do not need to give you my resume this is crazy have you traded a single crypto he's like of course i have okay so let's see your open c wallet or coin bases see how i got you because that's what you said to the italian that you tortured in your house it's like

48:18Ronnie Karam: with pleasure i i have a last time i checked you hadn't oh last time you checked what are you scouring the fucking blockchain idiot yeah you're stupid you don't even know what you're talking about it's utterly untrue liam's like are they gonna be serving coffee at lunch yet like what i keep taking breaks but there's never any lunch you know who i'm surprised is super quiet is Ariana because they made her kind of the star of the season and it's nothing. It's nothing. It's zero. And Liam actually took the air out of those sales really in the beginning when he's like, no hard feelings. Win some, you lose some in love.

48:58Ronnie Karam: Am I right? Love's a real bitch. All right.

49:00Ben Mandelker: That's it. No more questions. Thanks. She's not inserting herself into other people's fights like Brooks is. So Andy is like, okay, Georgia, Albert from Camus wants to know besides the gay grapevine, And what evidence do you have that Charlie and Omar were stealing your club club creative? She's like, the person who told me shared details about the club that only I knew. And you were using the same location. And Charlie was like, well, that's literally it. He's like, yeah, same name. It was a barren building. It's like same concept of three floors. They came up with an idea of a three-floor club.

49:34Ben Mandelker: That's crazy. That's my proprietary idea.

49:38Ronnie Karam: it's funny that she says you stole the concept of the three floors when they were probably in a space with three floors you know what i mean it's the same space he's at the charlie's like

49:50Ben Mandelker: i he's like i did not steal the name club club that's the stupid stupidest fucking name i've

49:54Ronnie Karam: ever heard the entire audience thinks so she's like i like the name yeah well that's great georgia then go do it but you're not doing it because all your business partners fall off all your cleaning products fall off you don't even have a fucking cleaning product georgia okay she's like well what job have you ever had you know that's a good point that no one really seems to make here when charlie's like oh what do i fucking want to listen to seth that fucking house husband who does nothing what do you do what have you ever done skateboard here and there so g is like why do you

50:25Ben Mandelker: always do that to her he goes because it's true it's like you always try to insult or always try to put it down just stop he's like oh my god i always try oh always run insults i mean you shit on a brand you shit on all of our ideas you shit on everything i mean you don't have to do that they're stupid enough as it is we don't need to pile on oh please like i'm insulting her today

50:45Ronnie Karam: like right now but it's not been like i've like had a whole year of not insulting her so where's that i think it's why are we talking about that i think it's insulting to go into

50:57Ben Mandelker: business with her ex-boyfriend. Brooks is right. And Charlie is like, I don't think that's insulting. And Roman's like, do you ever thank Georgia for introducing you to Omar? He's like, for what? I haven't benefited from it financially. All that I've done is get shit for it.

51:11Ronnie Karam: And they're like, you're friends with him. And Liam's like, yeah, you know what's weird is that you're going into business and you're bringing him on the show. I mean, maybe if the business wasn't on the show, but people are walking around the streets with Omar t-shirts. You know, like Omar, he's really taken over. And how do you think that makes Georgia feel, having to see Omar on, like, movie posters and shit?

51:33Ben Mandelker: Are you still working on a business with Omar? He's like, I mean, we're certainly not doing anything related to that address. I mean, any sort of membership club, any bowling alley, no club, club, club, club, club, club, club, club, club. None of that nonsense. So the answer is yes, you are still in business with him because that was not a straight answer. Yeah.

51:50Ronnie Karam: And Gia's like, Charlie, Gia, please, you don't have to chime in on everything. jesus christ who you might do on this show or even here george's like you cannot just like fathom somebody even like disagreeing with you charlie and he's like no we made up you can't

52:06Ben Mandelker: fathom me want to be friends with omar she's like it's the doing it under my nose it's like so much like under your nose i don't know you shit and gia's like but you you guys were friends ariana's like yeah i thought you said loyalty right and george is like you're just like mad right now Because, like, I didn't give you loyalty in season one. Like, what fucking loyalty have you given me?

52:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know what? I was, like, courteful with you recently because, like, you know, like, I was not ignorant of the fact that you're going to be on season two. So, boom, I tried it, you know? And I thought, like, making you my enemy, like, maybe I didn't know that that was going to nuclearize to this extent, okay? So, like, I was, like, trying. She's like, oh, my God, you like talking fucking circles. Like, you rewrite narratives. You kind of like, you like twist the truth and stop.

52:56Ben Mandelker: And this is when Liam literally leans over to G and goes, do you know if they'll take coffee orders for lunch? Like, do they have the firefighter special?

53:05Ronnie Karam: Okay, you know, Georgia, I don't want to be your friend. Stop talking about me. Just stop it. She's like, well, I don't want to be your friend either. Stop talking about me then. I mean, it's so fucking ridiculous. Why don't you have a problem accepting like you're hard of feeling? Because it's not true.

53:21Ben Mandelker: It's not true. And Ariana's like, but that's what she heard. Well, I'm sorry that your delusional perception was not what was happening. But you're validating her.

53:31Ronnie Karam: And he's like, well, okay. So wait, I'm sorry for someone else telling her wrong information. What the fuck? You got to fucked. Yeah.

53:41Ben Mandelker: And then Andy's like, let me ask you a question. If it was true, would you understand why she would be upset? And Charlie's like, if I was making a bowling alley club, absolutely. He's like, yeah, but, like, the information I was getting, like, I was, like, I tried to call you, and, like, you never picked up.

54:00Ronnie Karam: And Charlie's like, oh, my God, you act like I'm, like, fucking rich from meeting Omar. Like, you fucked him for AC, but I'm an opportunist? Wow. Okay, well, that one was stolen, and so we're pretty much at the end of Charlie. All right, so let's wait until next time for more on this scintillating reunion. And that is the end of the episode. that's it they hate charlie but he was the entire reunion pretty much save for like six minutes of it so yeah i don't know i don't know guys good time yeah it was a fun one thanks so much everybody for being here uh and ben have an amazing vacation i'm gonna miss you buddy i'm gonna miss you too

54:41Ben Mandelker: but you're gonna get some wonderful fill-ins i'm sorry that i will not be there for orange county tomorrow but you know what i'll just like record some sound effects that you can just you You can just insert. You can just insert me away. Wow. David. And. I can't batch. And then Gina. I feel bad. I feel bad. My turn. I feel really, really bad about them. And you just insert those wherever you want to. And it'll be like I'm there.

55:05Ronnie Karam: Okay. All right, everybody. Thanks so much. We'll talk to you later. Bye, everyone.

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