#3551 RHOSLC S7E2 Part One: Lisa B Ski and Me With Carey O’Donnell

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2:08Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie and today I'm with the gorgeous and talented writer and co-host of the Sexy Unique Podcast, Carrie O'Donnell. Hello, you handsome man. hello god that entrance just makes me feel so like locked in and just like really yeah i just feel like it really it's both calming and terrifying well i've been called terrifying many times but it just feels like i'm going about to go on like a ride you know what i mean oh you are you are so i haven't talked to you for a long time how's everything been going over there well um things are good i'm actually i'm babysitting laura marie shane halls from everyone knows from sup her dog tony well she's across the pond so you're seeing you're seeing a gorgeous pug staring out at la tony is posing for his presidential portrait right now it is giving like arms are up on the back of the chair and he's just looking out over his land yeah it is it is very much giving like sun-dappled steely political painting yeah i was watching a clip of you guys doing this show that we're about to do real housewives of salt lake city and i was cracking up with your whitney impersonation where does that come from speaking of presidential i mean it comes from somewhere deep inside me it's kind of irish it's um i think i don't know she possesses me and i get like a vocal tick where i have to like repeat what she says when i'm watching her so i think it's just like i don't know i just it's i'm channeling it's very like house uh like housewives from the 50s like hello hello justin yeah it's i guess it is like i mean meredith my meredith is i think meredith is more transatlantic you know like a transatlantic housewife living in manhattan 50s yeah yeah whitney's is more like oh no

4:35Ronnie Karam: feeling oh justin where are they i was cracking up at the whitney and this is a perfect episode to have you on because it's a very very whitney heavy episode how do you feel about it how do I'm like, I can't, I don't think she can ever go. Like, I worry this is her last season. I just have that tingle down my spine that this might be it for its curtains for the Wild Rose. But I really think she's an essential player and like a very essential member of this specific crew. Yeah, I see that. And I think so, too. You know, she's made me crazy over the years, like lying or, you know, whenever you're on someone else's side, which is usually with me.

5:35Ronnie Karam: But really watching it this year, I'm thinking, she's great. Like, she's really good. And her apologies, you know, her false apologies, like her fucking everybody over and then coming back like, But I have a problem with alcohol and I'm being honest about it now. And so you have to accept my apology. It's just so classic, both reality TV and reality, you know, will do. No, 100%. I think I really think that she's pretty authentic, even though she is like kind of treacherous in a way. but i do think that she is like she's living i mean she's very who she is you know you can't have a tattoo like she has on her what is it her shoulder and not be like or what where is that she's like does she have like a giant she's like a giant tattoo on like her arm or her shoulder or something but you can't have i think she has the lower back the lower back one too doesn't she I just feel like you can't have the tattoos that she has and not be real as hell um yeah I I don't know that I would call her authentic but I think she's authentically like faking it all the time yeah like she's you know we we know a lot of people especially living in Los Angeles and stuff where people will say they're so fake oh they're so fake but they're really like that so they're not fake they're like they're like really truly if they're they're truly genuinely fake that makes any sense no that's what yeah i think that's what i'm trying to articulate you just did it better but um she is an absolute mess and a train wreck but i appreciate her kind of backtracking and lying and being sort of full of it is very human to me and that's like i think that's what i mean about like i feel that she's authentic because like she's very human yeah um she's a ding dong and i really like that lisa and meredith are just like idiot yeah fucking idiot like what are we gonna do with her this year i don't know she's just she's a dingbat she's just a dingbat what are you gonna do i forgive her forgive her forgive have her now what do we like there's no other choice we have but it's very um i think meredith just sees her as like a simpleton yeah i do too and i think that meredith is correct you know yeah i agree what are you going to do you know there are some there's a simple people deserve a life as well.

8:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah. A hundred percent. We open up here. Let's see. We watched a screener. We're recording this a little bit early. And so they didn't give us the taglines. Did we get the taglines in the first episode? We didn't, right? Because that was a very sad episode last week. No. Yeah, we're not getting the taglines yet. Yeah, I was really upset that we didn't see them. So I'll have to talk about those next time. um we see everybody kind of getting along going going about their lives and she with her pink dyed dog and uh trying to have a scene with her daughter where her daughter doesn't like outwardly hate her which i think is so cute you know what's a mom trying i'm i said this when we we recap and when i said this on stuff i was like i i don't like electra's attitude yeah i think electric needs to like i know she's a child i'm literally a grown man but i'm like you need to be nice to your mom well it takes a village and i think that as a village we're allowed to say that your child sucks your child is being a little brat and i want you to remind her how cool it is that she has the opportunity to have greek citizenship truly and she's like what am I going to ride horses in Greece?

9:42Ronnie Karam: Yes, you will be part. Yeah, I'm European. I'm part of the EU. Whoop-de-doo. Fuck you. You know how lucky you are? Yeah, that's huge. That's a big one. And I think she took her dad's side a long time ago. You know, her dad always being like, Oh, Angie. So annoying. She takes all the air out of the room. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, does no one in this family realize that they're lucky to be around an icon? It's truly annoying. knowing she's the reason for the season it kind of reminds me of in real housewives of dallas how the husband always used to be of cameron westcott used to just like troll her and then the kids kind of took cues from their dad's be mean to her and i i hate that dynamic when the the husband belittles the wife then the kids are like oh daddy does it so i'm gonna demean her too Yeah, I agree with you.

10:35Ronnie Karam: And I feel like it's every child's right to be annoyed with their moms on their own terms. Like, if your daughter is going to be annoyed with you and not like you, then that's that's like a part of her growing up and her right to do. But like to get it from the dad really fucking bothers me. It's like the Sean brand of just being annoyed with Angie. And I don't like it. I don't like it either. And I'm sure she's a lovely young person and whatever. but I'm seeing you be rude on TV while this woman is trying to pretend that she makes cookies with you. Yeah. That, you know, the news isn't good. If she's being like that with the cameras on, I'm like, I respect you.

11:13You're right to be like a horse dress, but I'm for now keeping you in an arm's leg.

11:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm on your mom's team. And I, I wouldn't act like that around this audience because this audience can, I mean, this, this audience can be really mean, you know when we're mad at somebody but we can also be very protective of our people and i don't think anybody wants to see a kid being mean to their mom unless their mom seems to deserve it more but angie's always like look at me in our great house that i provide by working 30 salons and buying you a horse and stuff totally and she's like shut up my man um yeah so that was like that I was kind of a, I kind of saw red at the beginning of this episode.

12:04You what? I saw red at the beginning of this episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:09Ronnie Karam: Agreed. So then we go over to Whitney, and she's with Katie, her stylist. My goal is to get rid of past stuff and focus on new stuff. So she's packing stuff up, and her stylist goes, well, so we're not going to focus on the past? And she's like, wow, I really like how you say that. And then she stares off into the distance. I really like how you just said that. How you just phrased that was very intriguing to me. Thank you. Do you want to see my tattoo on my back? It says real. Real. R-I-L-L. It says past is not future. It says the past. Is it because it's behind you? Whoa. I like how you said that.

13:06Wow. That is wild that you say that.

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17:07Yeah. But I think she's crazy.

17:11Ronnie Karam: She literally owns a mountain, she tells us. And Lisa's like, wow, yeah, I know, Ashley. Because, like, she was, I initially hired her to, like, be my glam person. I just love her. Like, we're so close. Aren't we close? And she's like, oh, my God, Lisa, we're so close. It's so good to be here. I wish you could get along with everybody. She's like, yeah, but whatever. You know, we're a sisterhood. But me and you are really close, right? It's like, yeah, Lisa, we're so close. And you know that that's not going to last. Because it's Lisa. And this is what happens. You know, it's like Bronwyn. When Bronwyn came on.

17:42Ronnie Karam: And Lisa's like, oh, my God. Me and Bronwyn. Like, Bronwyn's my friend. Bronwyn's like, oh, yeah, me and Lisa. Come with me. Let's be sisters. I'll take you under my wing. Yeah. Yeah. And then Bronwyn's like, you weren't standing up for me with Heather Gay. Yeah. And you're a horrible friend, Lisa. And then totally turned on Lisa. And look, Bronwyn is still team Heather Gay. I think that Lisa is going to get turned on. Yeah. I was also like, what's going on with the dynamic of Kawhi's husband living in Florida? And she lives there and she doesn't really seem a lot, but like loves his nipples. I was just kind of like, okay.

18:25Ronnie Karam: By the way, I'm ruffling around on my desk because I had some computer mishaps and I'm trying to get my computer plugged in. Don't even worry. I'm just this completely out of it. I think I've got it. I've got it wrapped around a mic cord and a paper towel rack. So I think we're gold here. We're good. I agree with you. I think the vibes with the husband are going to be the really interesting thing because the husband is clearly some kind of a scammer or something. They're like, what does your husband do, Ashley? And she's like, oh, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I guess I should know, right? It's like some company in Florida that does company-type things in a Florida way.

19:04Ronnie Karam: But isn't he sexy? And then they show a picture of him, and it's like, did you meet at a Rush Limbaugh convention? Where did you meet this guy? And she's like, he's so sexy, and I love his nipples. And so I was taking that to be like, oh, he's got man boobs, and she's kind of trying to glamorize that. Because people are going to be like, why are you dating Rush Limbaugh? i'm i'm always curious about these like new housewives who just like pedal to the metal displays of like completely crazy displays of wealth right off the bat because it's very much like she's trying to make noise she's got something to prove so i'm always a little wary of that so i'm like tread lightly the irs is watching just make sure all the ducks are in a row which i'm sure they are like you know i think you they have a what they have a wide breadth of evidence to like learn from of like not yourself being on a show like this but yeah i don't think that they learn though well i think that reality people in general i don't think you get hired for these shows if you learn stuff you know that's absolutely 100 right because this whole he has kind of a company i I don't know what it is, but we own a mountain.

20:24Ronnie Karam: That's, I mean, it's fishy, you know? And then Lisa's not much help because they're like, describe your friend, Lisa. And she's like, well, she's like lyrics out of Beyonce song. Like, she's fierce. She's bold. It's like that. I need more specific Beyonce lyrics if you're going to bring Beyonce into it. And she's literally like Circe. She owns a mountainside. Like, if you're trying to be chill, like, Lisa Barlow is the wrong friend to have. Isn't it amazing? She and her husband spent$300 ,000 a month on furniture. Yeah. She says, Kwai did go from Cinderella to Cersei from Game of Thrones. And in Game of Thrones, we all know the good houses.

21:11Ronnie Karam: Okay, we'll name the good houses. She keeps bringing up all these pop culture things. But I'm like, did you watch Game of Thrones? Because her good houses are the Kwai house and the Barlow house. And Whitney can go live in a land Ashley, I'm so happy for you I'm so happy for you To go from my glam To like owning a mountain You're like Cersei You're literally Cersei Isn't that amazing? My god, can I be Cersei Jr? I'll be Cersei I'll be Cersei's friend Yeah, well she said Whitney can go live in that land of Game of Thrones No one wants to go to and then she calls it the far, far, far away land. I don't think it, like, why are you bringing up Game of Thrones?

21:54Ronnie Karam: It's called Beyond the Wall. You know, that's where Whitney, like, kind of a little wild. I am interested in this Kwai-Witney dynamic because Whitney's,

22:08Whitney's, so I was trying to get this straight, Whitney's late best friend was the sister-in-law of Kwai. Yes. so kwai is close with whitney because of that yeah they're like family related because yeah

22:25Ronnie Karam: whitney no the lady who died lisa no what was her name she says it here sherry sherry passed and that was her yeah they're all related that way yeah we see pictures yeah Yeah, they're just all kind of like in a big Mormon-y pool. And so she feels like she should be close with Whitney, but she's also really close with Lisa and Meredith. Who will she choose? Because she's going to have to choose somebody. This is Salt Lake City. You can't just be friends with everybody. Blood is not thicker than water. I mean, blood is water. I love how you said that.

23:13Ronnie Karam: She's saying Yeah Lisa I just wish you could get along She's like yeah but Whitney's stupid So but you know what I'm gonna have a ski day And like I'm a good person Who knows every Beyonce lyric Like whoa You know that Beyonce song whoa It's so good it's so Cersei Beyonce's like so Cersei She's a queen

23:38Ronnie Karam: so she's going to invite everybody to ski day because she's a good person and quiet's like well great i'll just get to meet everybody so then we get a whitney scene you know whitney i don't i don't really understand why whitney's on this huge apology tour because usually you have to do something really really bad on housewives to come back and be like and now i'm sober and And, you know, I and I also have a, you know, separation storyline. She's like really pushing all of the things like all the victim cloaks, like all the things that you really have to feel for people during. Yeah. And I don't think she did anything really that bad last year.

24:17Yeah. Like, you know, Jen Shaw literally I mean, she went to jail. So I guess that's but she literally like gave another cast member a black eye. like women women on these shows have done a lot worse than just getting drunk at a drag brunch off season i don't i don't know i mean this is why i feel like she's very human is like she's very she's really hard on herself do you know what i mean i think that yeah i've i think that she's

24:48Ronnie Karam: really good at portraying that to us you know like wow it's just whitney i feel so many things And like, I really feel so bad about being at the drag show and saying the sea. But I don't, I don't think she really does because I guarantee you, Whitney will come back and do the same shit in two weeks. You know, it's just very Whitney to be like, I'm sorry. You're like a Whitney Rose truther. Yeah. Okay. I'm tickled. I also don't think that anybody, particularly on this show, I feel like there are a lot of kind of falsehoods, which is okay. But I don't really believe anybody ever on this one. I think they're always lying.

25:35Ronnie Karam: Like, I don't think Whitney's really divorcing Justin. I think it's like a weird storyline. Like, I don't believe it. Yeah, because the entity they formed and the business ventures went totally south. So she's like, she's like procuring the bag. Well, yeah. And she, like, I think that business, because remember that whole plot line was, well, we're putting our entire life savings into a rebrand of Justin Rickey or whatever her thing was called before. And then she's like, now it's Wild Rose. Bobby, Bobby. Justin Ricky. Love. What was it? Nathan Richard. It was like Bobby Litt. Yeah. And then she got in trouble with that one because people looked into it.

26:30Ronnie Karam: And they're like, wait a minute. That's an MLM. You can't have an MLM, Whitney. And so she got in a lot of trouble. So then she's like, I'm going to rebrand it into Whitney Rose. and then they put all their money into that and then i guess it wasn't making money and then it was still kind of an mlm but it was dressed a little bit differently and she got in trouble for that again and then she's like and it's your fault because you made it an mlm and it was supposed to be in sephora like my dreams you ruined my dreams of sephora yeah so she's like so you're i i hear this like i see i see i know that she's probably more savvy than she lets on and she's being kind of a cunning player but i just love i think her the shtick that she has on the show is just really funny to me i agree and i think that it's really shining this season with her apology because when it first came back on last week i was like oh god here we go with whitney's bullshit yeah and by this one i was cracking up so many times because she just keeps saying the wrong thing and then she's yeah so she's like i'm trying to pretend she's so nice now and then she just keeps she's like whoops i said something mean i didn't even know what i was saying yeah she's like i got wasted and just like was mean about my classmates which i'm like in my head i'm like this is what i want you to do so like please don't apologize yeah but yeah she's now doing the sort of like bromwin from real housewives of oc like i'm sober now blah blah blah which in brahman's case is different because she was actually struggling i think but yeah but i think whitney's kind of taking a page out of that being like oh okay so sobriety i will win brownie points yeah like like i'm you you can't be mad at me because that was when i was a different person and i'm really not that person anymore it's like i know that kind of vibe but i'm i mean listen one of my favorites is lisa barlow and she's like eternally full of shit so i know i just love i love a messy a messy woman full of contradictions is like my favorite thing my favorite person to like spend some time with do you know what i mean well yeah like in real life and on tv worse on tv shows i mean that's why they made that's why they made the housewives for gay men you know yeah i love this shit commercials here comes one right now losing weight can be like trying to roll a wheelbarrow up a hill you can do it but it's so much better and easier with support.

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30:40Ronnie Karam: I listen to books all day, every day with Audible. Yeah, they have a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts. And it is really the perfect thing to turn on when you're taking a long drive, washing some dishes, like enrich yourself. New members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash WWC. So she's having this scene with Justin. I guess she's in a guest room packing up her stuff still. And she's like posing. you know the camera comes in and she's like and she's like kind of crying as she has a drawer open and justin comes in who's like a total meathead now he's all spray tanned and has giant arms and legs and stuff he's like hi it's me new justin ding yeah he's he's not looking too bad yeah so he comes in and she's like oh sorry what'd you say i'm the worst interrupter i'm sorry No, no, no.

31:38He just, before he kind of looked like a caroler decoration, but now he's like, now he's like on peptides and is locked in, you know, and doing like brick fitness, you know,

31:53Ronnie Karam: or something. Yes, he's doing that, like, maybe CrossFit or so. I don't know. He's, like, really big. Well, CrossFit people. CrossFit. That's me. CrossFit. His cross might be. He's, I don't know if it's CrossFit. Whatever one makes you gigantic. Like, he's really large-armed. And I've never noticed his tattoos on his arms. They have, like, Roman numerals on them. What do those mean? It means all the times his entities have failed in business. It's a tally. um yeah they're they're having at least what it appears to be marital strife yeah she's like can we talk and he's like um well i mean i'm on my way to the gym but like i mean i guess we can talk it's like no we're gonna have a very serious conversation about our relationship.

32:48Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh, okay. I wish I could get over. Yeah. Look, I'm cleaning out a drawer because I'm changing this relationship by moving upstairs. And he's like, okay, you know, I'm about to miss warm-ups. Yeah.

33:09I've got my big tire-flipping challenge today.

33:14Ronnie Karam: I'm going to be pulling a rope tied to a wall, pulling it nowhere. It's going to be pulling it very hard in a parking lot. Yeah, I'm pulling a Honda Odyssey by a rope. I passed my Suzuki sidekick test last week, and now I'm on to that. While Bruno Mars plays. Well, it's been very difficult with our relationship because you, you know, our business filled. And I've been using, I've been dealing with my emotions by using alcohol to cope. And at that drag brunch, I was absolutely numbing myself. Oh my God, we're all numbing ourselves at drag brunch. That's why we go to drag brunch. I think she's confusing what's happening at drag brunch.

34:05She goes, the crowd at that drag brunch, they saw me as me being me. but what i see in that video is a woman in pain i was like me too i think that about myself every

34:17Ronnie Karam: day yeah i mean what do you think the drag queens are doing i she hasn't out she hasn't said this outright but i love that she's kind of blaming drag queens and the audience of like drag culture for turning her into this, you know? She's like, but it's because I was at a drag show and they tricked me. They were all laughing. She's like, I flew too close to the sun and drag culture. I really tried my best to rub elbows and click heels with all the best of them. But I murdered my lady and I fell just as hard. That's Whitney's story in drag. Whitney tried to be a drag queen. yeah i mean you have to be thicker you have to be like a thicker skin or have to have a have a thicker skin to kind of be a drag you know star or even a drag guest star you you can't just like go crying and then be like the drag queens made me do it everyone in drag is so mean and then it turned me mean and i then i realized i'm an alcoholic like we're all drunk and mean it's a drag show it's a you know i feel like it's a tried and true mormon defense when you don't know what to do blame the gays blame the queers exactly the gay the drags the queens they just they made me do things i did not want to do they pressured me to be in a certain way and i just wanted their approval so deeply but i realized i'm not i'm not cut out for it yeah and so just Justin's like, okay, so you're moving out of the room.

36:03Ronnie Karam: So I get the big room, right? She's like, yes, I will not move my rooms. We need to save money because now, you know, our business isn't Sephora like my dream. And so now we're separating rooms. Also, I flew my stylist from L.A. to help me move on myself. Like, are you broke or not? How broke are you? I know. and she's like, I just want to keep I want to keep this very private between us so the kids don't know. And then she literally looks at the camera and is like

36:37Ronnie Karam: You're not going to tell anybody, right, camera? We won't tell a single person. And she says, Justin's like, so wait, so are we still together? Are we still going to be a family? Are you leaving? We are still a family. I don't want the kids to know anything. And he's like, yeah, the kids don't even know we fought. The other day, our daughter said, you and mom have never fought except for that time that you gave us a Del Taco coupon and mom didn't use it. And Whitney goes, ha, ha, ha.

37:15That is funny that that is the extent to which they think we fight. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, that's funny. Okay, bye.

37:24Ronnie Karam: oh that del taco fight that's a big one though i mean the kids really kids know everything and so much i mean to just think that so much can be said in the non-use of a del taco coupon that she was like daddy gave us that coupon and you didn't use it are you leaving daddy why would you ignore del taco coupon but when you're a kid you make weird connections like that yeah and it's not incorrect you know that little ricky bob bobby christina knows a lot what what is her name bobby right bobby rose bobby i got my hair red too because drag queens bullied bobby she's meet my daughter bobby rose short for bobina rose

38:22Short for, it's an Italian name, Babina.

38:29Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, I'm going to, you know, go to the gym. I've missed, you know, the beginning part of the workout now, but it was great talking to you. I've still got giant arms. Okay, goodbye, Justin. I'll be standing here by the window crying softly. All right, then. He's like, can I give you a hug? She's like, sure.

38:53thanks for what for hugging me oh okay you're so funny go away now

39:06Ronnie Karam: so let's go to another relationship i'm completely buying bronwyn on her date with her hot model guy it's it's fun to see the hot model guy right i've only seen him in stills he's he's a really um i'm fascinated by him i'm fascinated by their their love their wild love i think i don't think they're together anymore right no now she's got a new guy um and he's more of a silver fox type and um people are saying that he's married but i mean who cares really at this point like who is it who doesn't yeah that doesn't matter anymore yeah i mean like you're separated i think they they were saying on reddit oh they've been separated five minutes and i say that's five minutes enough yeah also get away from todd as far as you can so i i am rooting for her whoever she wants yeah whoever yeah and um they're doing like a really romantic they're on a really romantic date where they're gonna like skate together they're gonna ice skate and Bronwyn's updating us she's like yeah I'm with the new guy and you know like yeah you've probably heard of him yeah he's a model and um it's a big deal we're everywhere together everywhere we have been to um Cabo we did some ayahuasca in Cabo now we're here she goes wow here I am being swept off my feet quite literally wow i'm i'm quite a nice princess as they say but now i'm taking things in a literal sense and he does pick her up so she is literally swept off of her feet you know what like being married to like a literal piece of like gross you know gray person and I'm not just talking about his hair.

41:04He just was gray. And she needs to have some fun with like a young, hot guy. Like, I'm all for it.

41:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, she seems to be happy and having fun, so that's good. And she has a discussion with him where, well, first he's like, let's race. And she's like, um, that's why I married an old person because I don't have to race. He never says let's race. Well, why would you ask me to race? Which really I liked. I got that. I felt that. So they have a conversation about Todd. And she just feels so bad because, you know, she's like huge. She's like a huge star. People are following her. Pops, the paps are everywhere. And she's like, I was really trying to keep you a secret. You know, like we were in, we were at that press event at BravoCon.

41:57Ronnie Karam: Like some huge thing. And I really wanted it to be a secret. But then the paps got on and, you know, Todd read it. He read it. And I felt bad for Todd. And I also feel bad for you because I'm sure the last thing that you want is fame. And it must be really, really hard on you. He's like, yeah, it's really hard. He's like, yeah, it was really hard to be at the Super Bowl and have people want to take photos with you. And, like, being in the VIP area was really tough. It's like there was so much. The dress is just hounding me. The paparazzi were everywhere. My God. There were so many people staring at me in that football game.

42:36Ronnie Karam: I just felt like catching a ball. I was like, what am I, in the game? Let me be, boys. Boys, over here. I was getting sacked left and right by the paparazzi.

42:52Ronnie Karam: God, the buffets at that VIP room at the football game. I forget what it's called. The Super Bowl. It's like all those buffets. They were just so intense. It's just too much for a celebrity. How much can one person eat at the Taco Bar, Hamburger Bar, and Ice Cream Bar? So much given to me. For what? What have I done? What did I do to deserve this? What have I done? What did I do to deserve being the Capital One VIP box? Having a glorious vegan nacho thing. I loved it. I mean, could you even tell there was cashew in that cheese? Me neither. And it just made me feel so guilty. So guilty. It made me feel so guilty.

43:37It feels so bad about Todd and what he must be going through.

43:43Ronnie Karam: He's like, wow, you're just so young. And it shows him 30. And it shows her 40. And then it shows Todd. Like, what the hell are you looking at? You better not put numbers by my name, son of a bitch.

43:59Todd, 1 ,000 years old.

44:02Ronnie Karam: Todd, before people even started counting. Yeah. Before time was counting. We have to carbon date, Todd. We don't even understand. He's a forest mold from 30 ,000 B.C. in the Redwoods. Yeah, so she's just happy to be happy. And you know what? You go, girl. I say. Go for it. yeah why not so then we go over to britney's house britney i really missed britney in the first episode and here she is i think britney i think that would be too much power you know it's like when the wrong person is given superpowers and then they turn into a villain and then they just terrorize everybody in the avengers i don't i think it's too much power for britney because she's really already so britney you know that's such a good point wow because i was i didn't even think about that i was like she's been wrong they need to give her a snowflake this is absolutely absurd and then now hearing you say that i'm like oh yeah she's well no i mean i think that she does deserve it it's just it's terrifying to think what she would do with that power because she's already just like who they got cabarets and she's already doing all of this and i don't know she's already living like she's got a snowflake so she had one i think she the show would just the rooms would start on fire as she walked in you know it's too much power it's like the nuclear football it's like no one should have that oh my gosh yeah so we go to britney's it's a big day because britney is making breakfast sandwiches for whitney and heather um it's big that's it's big and they looked honestly they look pretty good they were huge and they looked very good and she also grilled the bread she wasn't just like here's an egg and some shitty microwave bacon i mean she really made good large breakfast sandwiches so she does that heather comes over and britney's like oh heather i have something huge to tell you I am six weeks without a man.

46:25Ronnie Karam: Nathar's like, oh, wow, you went sober? Sober on men? Yeah, I don't believe Brittany. I could practically smell Jared Osmond on her. Ew. That was nasty. It was, but don't you think that that's true as far as, like, if you've been near Jared, there is a smell, I think, to Jared. What do you think it is? It's like Drakon Noir. Well, I met him. You did? Yeah. He smelled, I don't remember exactly the scent, but I remember he smelled fine. Like he smelled like a man that's like a, hey, just whatever that is. Backpack. Hey. Hey, Kerry. Did you say your name is Kerry? Kerry. God, it's good to meet you.

47:16Ronnie Karam: Good to meet you. Good to meet you. I don't think, yeah, I don't think like stinky smell. I think like very spicy cologne type. Yes. Very cologne-y. So Whitney also comes over and Brittany does her squeal all over again. We're just like, oh my God. So they come in and they start catching up and they're talking about Bronwyn's new stud. And Heather's like, yeah, well, he came to the funeral and then they went to Cabo to do ayahuasca. So, I mean, I guess everyone goes through a slut phase when you divorce. That's rude.

47:57Ronnie Karam: I think it's rude to say somebody's a slut. Heather needs to rein it in a little. Love her. But come on. Yeah. And Whitney's like, well, but I didn't take any time for myself between relationships. You should take a moment before you jump in. Whitney, you were still married when you jumped into your relationship. How are you going to take a moment? She's again looking at the camera going, she's like, you know, when you move too quickly into something, it's always good to have a pause. They're like, Whitney, who are you looking at? Nothing. I just want to make sure that this conversation is secret.

48:43This is a private conversation. See your way out.

48:51Ronnie Karam: and Whitney's like, yeah, I'm still confused about Bronwyn's boyfriend, Brandon, because I met him at the Sundance Film Festival. I was like, ooh. I know, wow. I didn't know. Really hobnobbing. I didn't know which one you meant. Yeah. And we hung out, and she said, don't tell anyone, but then there's press releases, and then she was like, oh, no, there was a leak. so then I had to talk about it because there was a leak and Heather's like, oh really? Is it a leak or a press release? Which is it? I love how much these women say the press. Yeah. No one says the press anymore except Housewives and Donald Trump.

49:37The press. Well, the press is, you know, they're banging my door down trying to get a quote from me. the media

49:47Ronnie Karam: the evil media the left wing media and then I read the left wing media and then she had a boyfriend I read the satanic left and they're like Whitney no oh I mean what

50:07I was dropping a drip

50:09Ronnie Karam: of my blood onto an old rat corpse and talking to Satan when I hear Whitney no Whitney no yeah Whitney no no no no I did like when she imitated Meredith's stare yeah she was like yeah like I'm gonna apologize because I the drag queens made me say horrible things and so I'm gonna apologize to Meredith but I'm afraid of her because she always looks at me like this but do it I want to see her stare

50:43Ronnie Karam: it was really funny she did a really good job and when she's not looking at you like this she's looking at you like this and then they would cut from her face to meredith's face being like it was kind of like shaking but really intense with her eyes and she's like i'm scared of her so i'm gonna apologize to lisa and meredith because of drag queens i'd apologize i'd i'd be on my knees apologizing to Meredith Marks. Yeah. Sorry. They're not. But Whitney and Heather don't care. They're not afraid. Were they getting that much backlash from that reunion, do you think, when they were like, no, Lisa, you sell stories to the tabloids and Meredith.

51:35Ronnie Karam: What was Meredith's thing last year that they kept accusing her of? Well, she she like had a full meltdown on a plane and like refuse to let the camera go in. And it was like this awful thing. And she didn't really address it, which I was very kind of I was disappointed in her. But also I'm afraid of her. So I can't express disappointment. I would never express it to her face. But yeah, that was kind of left unanswered. And Heather, like they were all kind of like, what the fuck? And Meredith was just kind of like, well, it was a dark day for me. I was very emotional. And Brittany was They were like, you literally took Britney's seat and was plunging her head forward.

52:12And she was like, no, I was simply emotional. For five minutes.

52:16Ronnie Karam: Like, well, I'm sorry I had to go to the restroom. And I stood up to go to the restroom. And maybe I grabbed her seat because I had to stand up. Maybe I grabbed her seat. And am I supposed to soil myself and not get up to use the bathroom? I'm supposed to just sit there and remain absolutely still pissing in my shitting in my pants and just sitting there like an old baby festering and they're like Meredith god no these women don't even want me to relieve myself Andy they want me to piss myself don't you want me to shit my pants I'll do it right now because you want me to and they're like no Meredith don't fine I won't please And then that's when I was watching Crazy Rich Asians So how could I possibly Watch Crazy Rich Asians If I was yelling at somebody Okay what was the plot Of Crazy Rich Asians I can't remember the plot I was emotional that day At least she was I watched her She was watching it We watched it together Yeah I saw her watching Crazy Rich Asians It was about Asian people.

53:33Ronnie Karam: They were very rich. They all knew Beyonce lyrics, and they were like Cersei. All of them. They were like Cersei. They were queens in their own, running their own houses. Queens of the Mountain. That's them. That's the Crazy Rich Asian movie. And that's also House of Kwaai.

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