#3552 RHOSLC S7E2 Part Two: Lisa B Ski and Me With Carey O’Donnell

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2:01Ronnie Karam: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap is

2:23Ronnie Karam: bye enjoy the show so you believe that meredith really did have like a huge meltdown yes a hundred percent but it'll never we'll never know about what really happened in aspen yeah i mean i believe that one too i don't know if i believed the extent that they all went to on the kathy one i was like what she did what um but like i believe that she was like a diva wanted michael jackson played yeah and i and i could see her calling saying old faggot like that's and that's honestly kind of funny well you know we've all been there in a club somewhere where you're just dying for michael jackson to be played because you knew him that one time and then when they don't play it you're like you old f-word you old slur yeah you old gay slur so yeah i believe meredith had a fit on the plane too i just didn't i didn't really mind like i i forgive yeah like i i love it i was just mad that they didn't get it on camera and i thought it was really fishy that nobody pulled out their phone to record it even though on salt lake city they're like how dare you you're recording us you know Meredith had that thing when Brittany was recording them on the bus.

3:42Ronnie Karam: So maybe they're just more paranoid about recording shit. But I think even one of the customers on the plane, one of the other people, everyone's always ready with their phones. So I was like, come on, America. No, Meredith went into full lockdown. Give me your phone. You give me your phone, lady from Milwaukee. Give it to me right now. I'm coming down the back. She goes on the intercom and she goes, I will be coming down the aisle right now to retrieve all cell phones.

4:14Ronnie Karam: um so anyway i didn't know that the fallout from the reunion was so much against whitney and heather that now they're coming back like oh we both really need to apologize because that's crazy like they were really both going full force at the reunion so i don't know it just feels so weird that they're so apologetic now but they they decide they're gonna apologize and um heather's like yeah i was a real piece of shit to have to alisa you know the real ultimate girls trip thing you know i really crossed a line i was drinking oh fuck all of you with this i was drinking i've you i've denied this victim card everybody on housewives who's ever been in trouble has been drinking like what are we gonna change it so that nobody can be drunk and yell at each other anymore like what am i gonna watch i know heather was pretty vicious to her it seemed but like i don't know it's fun it's like let him like it's not it's giving like when kelly benton was like it was systematic bullying yeah you know yeah but lisa hasn't even done that yet yeah yeah but lisa hasn't even been like well she i mean she's been like that was really mean like i was trying to I have my own experience with new girls.

5:32Ronnie Karam: And then Heather came for me, but she's not like I was bullied. Like she's anti star, like she's anti celebrity and it really needs to stop. She's anti being famous, which is what I am. So it's really hard for her to be around me. Yeah, but I get it. I'm just like a lot bigger than them, you know? So Heather is like, I just really hurt Lisa's feelings. You know, I was drinking, and I just, I hope she can forgive me, but maybe she'll burn me at the stake. And I think, you know, part of me was like, why are they being like this? But then the other part of me remembers this is kind of how they roll.

6:16Ronnie Karam: Every season, Whitney and Heather both show up, and they're like, why were we ever fighting? Look, now me and Lisa are friends. Like last season, Heather spent the whole beginning of the season like, look at me and Lisa Barlow. Whoever knew we'd be so close. And then one time they went to a store and she's like, well, Lisa, you do talk to blogs and you are hard to be friends with. What? I love you. That's why I'm telling you. That's why. I know. Such a shit for her. But I guess you have to reset, right? Exactly. But no greater reset than a ski day. Because Lisa, when she's referring to herself as Lisa B, I'm like, you're a pop star.

6:56You are famous. You are so much more famous than all these women. Lisa B.

7:02Ronnie Karam: Lisa B. It's me, Lisa B. You know, like from one singer to another, Luanne, like I really respect what you're doing. Like you really paved the way for the rest of us. I look up to you as a mentor and as a full idol of what a woman in music should be like. You're like Whitney Houston. You're like those Whitney Houston lyrics. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, from that song. You're like Circe of music. You know, it's really amazing. You're like a Circe single. You're like if Cersei If Cersei had a big hit single A lead single off her upcoming album That's you Cersei girl Hey girl Come opreski with these B

7:56Ronnie Karam: Shame Shame the Cersei single What did I do Why am I naked in the streets right now

8:05What did I ever do to all of you

8:10Ronnie Karam: so now we go to a place called eight settlers distillery what is that name the eight settlers it sounds problematic it does there i said it no so they go all the ladies are gathering for lisa b ski day i'll break ski with lisa b that's what that's what it is i've got my picture everywhere they they show up that like eight settlers distillery has like lisa barlow's face on it i know i loved it well seeing some of these women today is more painful than my facelift that i got oh look at me fun meredith joking about facelifts i know i was like meredith is fully wearing a wig and revealed her her new look she's in a place of healing it seems but she looks incredible but she also looks like she has a new face a new head she does and it's funny because they're acting like oh my god meredith is you know coming out about having a facelift it's so bold and so brave meredith has like refused to talk about having a facelift for like what 10 years now what year is this eight yeah and every year she comes with a fabulous new face and whoever she goes to really i mean wigs off because you guys are you guys are great but she yeah she's always like how dare you i've never had anything done and this year she's like yes i'm saying i have a face left where's the parade like your her facelift is so extreme that it's like she has a new identity so if she didn't address it it would be it would be like actually insane so like she has no choice to be like yes i've had a i've had a little tweak they're stopping her at the contact contactless entry at the airport they're like yeah sorry this is the machine keeps beeping ma 'am her biometrics are like not the same as they were so Like, she has to.

10:15She must address it for continuity.

10:21Ronnie Karam: And it's only been a month, she says. She said she got a facelift a month ago, which is crazy. Because any little shit that I've had done, I mean, it takes me like a year to heal anything. And she's just like, well, here I am. It's one month. Sorry, can't scheme. But it's been a month. A month? How are you even walking around? She's so strong. She's so strong. All these women are so strong. I would absolutely skip the slopes and just hang with Meredith at the chalet. And just ask her about her face. Yeah, me too. And just, like, try not to look behind her ears or wherever, you know? Can I touch her?

11:04Ronnie Karam: She does look really good. But also, I think they all wear wigs all the time. People are commenting a lot on Meredith's wig. But doesn't every real housewife wear a wig? What do you think? Yeah, I think everyone just is wigging. Yeah, I think so. So Meredith is annoyed with Whitney. She's like a little nap flying in her face. And Whitney's like, hi, hi, Meredith. Whoops, I tried to hug Meredith, but Angie was there instead. And so then I hugged Angie. Sorry.

11:39Ronnie Karam: So they all meet. I don't think Angie was even I don't think Angie stepped up in that moment I think she was already there But Whitney's like I accidentally hugged Angie Instead of Meredith Yeah I was suspicious She was trying to make a moment of this She used Angie's body As a prop in this moment And I didn't appreciate it Don't use her for fun games Yeah It's not fair and it's not right. So Kawhi comes in. Everybody comes in, basically. They're all like, Wow, look at us skiing together. We're like sisters, starting over again. And Whitney tells us about Kawhi. And they've been so close. They've shared so many Fourth of Julys together.

12:27Ronnie Karam: Whitney puts on fireworks shows. And one time, she lit her sister-in-law, Sherry, on fire. But don't worry. She was okay. She goes, I throw a barefoot fireworks party every year. I was like, what? Is that what it was? Yeah. A barefoot party. I didn't understand that word. She said I threw some firework parties. Yeah. No shoes. Everyone has to have fireworks thrown at their feet, and they have to run as fast as they can off our property. So everyone gives their little one-sentence thoughts about Kwai, and Bronwyn's like, um, I don't know Kwai, but um kwai rhymes with why like why would you wear that outfit i was like ronwin you're one to talk okay tagliacci you're sitting there in a pile of red feathers right now yeah when you're literally you literally wear like a sectional couch on top of your shoulders

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16:15Ronnie Karam: Why is she trying to ruin my sprinter van's reputation? It's not fair. No, I only have the best sprinter vans in all of Utah. This is not true. Blake Lively was on the sprinter van. So they start talking about Whitney, you know, performatively not drinking. Because Whitney's like, I will not have a toast with a drink. Only Monster Energy. Because I'm working on myself. God. The taste. I'm getting like acid flashbacks to like the taste of monster energy drink. It's not good. Whiplash. Oh, it's disgusting. Tastes like medicine. It's awful. Yeah. I used to drink, well, like for a second, I would drink vodka and Red Bulls.

17:00Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Oh, of course. And I was like, oh, I'll drink vodka and Red Bull. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. So Meredith tells everybody she's not drinking or skiing because of her facelift. And Whitney's like, wow, I knew something was different, but I didn't know if it was her face or her wig. But I love that she's. That was pretty good. She goes, but I love that she's admitting that she got a facelift and a wig. And the producer's like, she didn't say she's wearing a wig. It's like, whoops, oh. She's getting her little jabs in.

17:45Ronnie Karam: So then Patrick announces, Patrick, sorry. Bronwyn announces that she's going to do a St. Patrick. Patrick. Saint. He's a saint. so she announces that she's going to do a saint patrick's trip to um san francisco because i lived there for a long time and you're going to seem like a different side of me in san francisco like wow sisterhood we're all going to san francisco but wait a minute will there be gays there they try to make me look bad yeah whitney like gulps at the idea of san francisco She's like, oh, no, they're going to possess me again. These gays. It is giving Tanya from White Lotus just being forced into fuckery by gays.

18:40Ronnie Karam: These gays. They're trying to kill me. So Bronwyn is saying it's been tough with Lisa. But you know what? She did invite me to ski day. So we're sisters. It's a sisterhood. So they go skiing and Heather starts asking. When Bronwyn said about San Francisco, she goes, and ladies, remember, there's any tomfoolery. Alcatraz is right there.

19:11Ronnie Karam: Heather starts getting on Bronwyn. She's like, I want to hear about this new man, Bronwyn. So, I mean, you went and did ayahuasca. ayahuasca that's drugs and you did them with brandon i mean that's so crazy so you're like already comfortable enough to barf all over the place and poop from doing ayahuasca

19:34and meredith goes who said something about poop i will not shit my pants and they're like meredith we're not talking about that oh okay

19:47Ronnie Karam: you will not keep me in the seat it's okay meredith Where are the bathrooms on this van? I will not be kept in this seat. I will be relieving my... No, Meredith, we're not talking about relieving you. We're talking about Bronwyn doing ayahuasca with her gay boyfriend. Why did Heather jump to... Wow, you did ayahuasca with your boyfriend. You're really comfortable barfing and pooping all over yourself. Is that an ayahuasca thing that you go do ayahuasca and then you poop yourself and barf on the people that you're with? I've never done it, but yes, you apparently shit or throw up. Wow. Yeah. It's like a whole thing.

20:31Ronnie Karam: Well, then I agree with Heather. That's not really a good, like, just starting dating thing. I don't want to poop on somebody and barf on them. That's like a year in. Maybe. That's when we're trying to rekindle things. All right. That's when we're trying to really let it all hang out. So they're all having their opinions and they're like, wow, she's single. Good for her. Let her go poop on somebody if she wants to. That's what I say. And Angie's like, well, I won't do anything like ayahuasca because ayahuasca comes from a frog. I will not do frog things. It's a frog. I won't do anything with a frog.

21:12Ronnie Karam: It's like, ding. It is not from a frog. so then um i guess i keep saying they're gonna ski but i keep thinking they're they're skiing i mean the skiing is kind of anticlimactic like they like lisa barlow makes it up on the chair lift and then immediately it's like no i can't be here and turns around yeah well she couldn't she couldn't hack it at her own party and she was getting on the gondola but then she fell off and they were laughing but it's because somebody was sitting in her gondola like she was waiting for the gondola to slide and get her but then it was a man who was there and she's like i wasn't prepared for that i thought it was going to be a gondola not warm legs who was this man all my life i've been he's a man that i've been seeing since i was a child back when i lived in new york in schenectady new york he's a man that haunted the roads of schenectady the sitting man i would see him on park benches all the time in the mall at pizza places on the train going into New York and now here he is in the gondola.

22:18Ronnie Karam: I can't get rid of him. It's the story of the sitting man. You know what? When little girls see sitting man, they murder somebody. Whoa, did I say that out loud? It never happened. Never happened. It never happened. They say if you sit on him, you murder people. Who was that person that girls were like murdering people and they're like, but I saw Mr. Shadowface Yes, Slender Man It was Sitting Man It was the guy who sits down and then little girls murder people I don't know, it's very Cersei Yes, Beyonce It's very Cersei It's very Queen behavior Queen Uh oh, not another Queen Who am I gonna call the C-word now?

23:04Ronnie Karam: Please make them Whitney, stop Stop, Whitney The Sitting Man is different So, oh, the guy's name was Philip I don't know who he is, but she's like, I didn't expect Philip's legs, which I think we've all Said before So then Lisa gets to the top And like you said, she's like, no, I can't do this There's ice on the mountain I'm not going to ski when there's ice That's crazy, I'm taking the gondola back down Goodbye Meredith goes, I only dance on tables In St. Bucks and Sam Tropez okay where it's appropriate all right it's appropriate so now we go to meredith and kwai hanging out and kwai's like oh my gosh we have so much fun together don't we meredith we are so close we're such good friends aren't we meredith aren't we and she's like oh yeah i know this girl from sundance we did caviar bumps together Yeah.

24:07Ronnie Karam: What do you think of that? Yeah, we had a crazy night doing caviar bumps together. And we took a car home, or we took a car, rather, to the same after-party, and I fell asleep. But at least they let me go to the bathroom at the after-party. I'll tell you, it's much better than these women. I mean, quite. Whitney's a little asshole. And, I mean, she said she hates me on the stage, and she's accused me of having a drinking problem, and now she's saying that she did it because she's drinking. I mean, come on. And as the mother of a gay son, for her to attack me on stage at a drag brunch, I find a little homophober.

24:54Ronnie Karam: Absolutely. Against gay toddlers, which I do not appreciate. I support gay babies wherever they are. And she's speaking out against me, which means she's speaking out against gay babies.

25:13Ronnie Karam: Whitney and Lisa have a talk. Whitney pulls Lisa aside and she's like, well, I'm trying not to get emotions, but I want to apologize because the truth is I have unresolved things with alcohol. Sorry. Alright, that's okay. But yeah, but you know, I was coping with alcohol and that's actually very cool. It's very cool here. Yeah. I thought it was because I was an alcoholic and I was just feeling it, but it is cold. You know, where I come from in New York, I grew up where loyalty is thick. I mean, thick. So, you know, I think loyalty is very important. And if you don't display that loyalty to me, then, yeah, it's a real teaching moment for me.

26:13Ronnie Karam: This is where they start doing, she's like this, and start making stuff up. So Whitney's like, well, Lisa and me are like those Velcro balls. You know like you can pull them apart But then they'll still be on The other side of each other And Lisa's like me and Whitney I mean Whitney's like a cotton candy machine Like you just put a stick in something And then it goes around and around And more shit gets on the stick And you're like ew Cotton candy I actually like that one It's like ew Cotton candy We should do that We should brand that. Vita Cotton. And then Whitney's like, yeah, but Lisa and me are like a rubber band.

27:01Ronnie Karam: And then you could stretch the rubber band, but then it's almost going to break. But then you let go and then it snaps back. Yes, we always come back to each other. We are rubber and blue. what sticks on me comes back and sticks on sticks on me again it's so sticky it's like cotton candy i hate this okay and lisa goes lisa goes do i believe whitney no do i think she wants us to be friends and wants it to be better yes do i think she's severely damaged yes i love severely damaged. Do I think like she's severely stupid? Yes. But you know what? You have to be nice to stupid people. What are you going to do?

27:51Ronnie Karam: So I forgave her. She's like, yeah, we're like rubber bands. And now they go have dinner together in a restaurant there. And this is hilarious. They walk in and everything is pictures of Lisa. They're just everywhere. They're on like the napkins, you know, the silverware roll-ups. They're on the hostess stand. The waiters are coming out and lisa masks i love it yeah marit goes i'm guessing this table is ours ladies

28:23Ronnie Karam: what wow lisa this is such a good picture of you from the fifth grade lisa's really whitney's really trying to let everyone know she's continuing to not drink i'm like okay we get i say this as a sober person i'm like girl we get it Yeah She's like, hi, can I have a waiter So I cannot order some alcohol Hi, I will have whatever non-alcohol Is made for people who want alcohol But don't want it For non-alcohol related reasons Could you bring me some alcohol So we could talk about our dysfunctional relationship I love alcohol My new, Whitney Rose's new brand of alcohol of non-alcoholic is called alcohol.

29:11It's spelled with a U.

29:13Ronnie Karam: I don't drink alcohol anymore. For those who are not alcohol, you can have alcohol. And yes, there's a difference. Whitney is really trying. So she's had her makeup thing with Lisa, and so now she tries it. She knows it's not going to go well with Meredith. And you know how when people are like, oh, this is going to be a bad breakup. I think I'll do it in a public restaurant so they can't yell at me, you know? So they're all gathered there. And she's like, Meredith, I thought this would be a good time to say, I'm sorry, because my behavior was bad. But I have a reckoning with alcohol. And you don't have to accept it.

29:56Ronnie Karam: But I hope we can just move on from here. And Meredith just goes, yeah, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, she goes, she goes, I don't hate you, Meredith. i hate how i behaved and meredith goes yeah that's not going to happen it's like what did you think whitney of course she's not meredith is the last person to give you that in pup especially in front of people yeah but also you just spent the end you just spent like the last 20 seasons or whatever it's been coming for meredith constantly and i feel like it's always the people who do shit to you that are like listen i'm so sorry that happened can we just start over from here no we can't start over like i get to marinate on how wrong you were yeah it's like fair yeah that's not going to happen and now it's also a bad housewives move though on meredith's part because the audience falls for this shit every time if you come back and you're like that was because i was drinking i'm really seriously considering that now and so now i'm a better person you're supposed to say okay i forgive you and then just move on and i think the audience is going to be like meredith whitney's really trying and she's being vulnerable and meredith just won't accept it mrs wig will have none of this and everyone needs to just like absolutely curb all expectations because she's breaking these rules yeah Here comes one right now.

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34:09Ronnie Karam: And Bronwyn's like, well, Whitney, you don't have to cry, Whitney. You know, Meredith, Meredith doesn't have to accept your apology, but you still made it. And Whitney's crying again. And she's like, oh, well. And Heather, who's supposedly going to be really nice to Meredith now, is like, maybe her wig is too tight. Maybe she got her face lifted too much. Maybe she's too face lifted to hear sorry. Yeah. And then and then Meredith goes, well, I'm I'm actually I'm grateful she said what she said because she was being honest about how she feels about me. And Whitney goes, no, I don't feel that way.

34:49and then heather goes well meredith because heather at this point is like a little toasted and she's like i mean you were on a you were on a podcast saying i was homophobic

35:01Ronnie Karam: okay and this is a first of all i love your heather that shit's hilarious also no she was not on a podcast saying you were homophobic no she wasn't and they play the podcast clip and she said you said i was a pill popper and a homophobe and they played it's from the two t's thing and meredith is like well here's something i called bronwyn and she had you know she was upset because heather was making fun of her for being a lesbian after making out with a woman or something and she was breaking down i'm very upset and i didn't like it being weaponized do you feel like that was calling heather a homophobe i i i kind of do i kind of think meredith is very like policey with like lgbtq things which okay i get like her son is gay but like i do think she's very smart she's like she's an attorney after all and i think that she knows what she's saying and i do think she was implying it without saying it but okay it kind of for me i was like heather is a lot of things but she's not a homophobe so it's like she was just teasing bronwyn out of like a body broad kind of way, I think.

36:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think she... Down on her too? Do you eat a pussy? But, like, I just think that's her being, like, kind of drunk and horny. Yeah, because Heather has had so many of her own, like, oh, Jen Shah and me, you know, like, lifting their shirts and, like, touching their boobs. I think it's just, like, fun, girly things. But maybe Bronwyn was upset. Like, well, but she was saying that, you know, she was making fun of me for kissing a girl. I don't know. Is that clear? I feel like Bronwyn was then taking Heather's side. Yeah. Bronwyn was like, yeah, why are you making it sound like I'm in a fight with Heather?

36:54Meredith goes, I didn't call you a homophobe. And Bronwyn goes, well, Meredith, you did heavily imply it.

37:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she's like, yeah, you're making it seem like there's a problem with me and Heather. And she's like, well, what I said was 100 % true. And that's where I want more questions instead of Meredith getting upset. I want her to say, like, Bronwyn, didn't you tell me that you were upset that Heather was making fun of you for making out with another girl? You know, but she gets so like they get her, you know, they get her every time. Like Meredith is says, like, oh, I'm so I'm above it all. I will disengage. But she they really do. They can trigger her every time. She's very defense. She's like the most defensive, one of the most defensive housewives ever.

37:37Ronnie Karam: I think like she's just yeah but you know what it's okay because like I have walls up because of you guys too like I would be defensive if I was Meredith too like you guys make me put walls up I didn't where I come from there were no walls we lived outside actually we lived in the woods the Blair Witch was chasing us all the time yeah that's where we first saw the sitting man We were being chased by them in the woods. The sitting man haunted the woods. The sitting man and the Blair Witch teamed up together. They were friends.

38:19Then Kwai chimes in. I was like, whoa. This is where I was like, okay.

38:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Kwai's like, well, all I see is someone getting teamed up on because now they're coming. Now they're like, oh, shut up, Lisa. you know and um angie's like lisa you're a liar and quiet's like no you guys are teaming up on lisa and angie's like well you don't really know us so you cannot say so let bronwood keep getting being mad at lisa and meredith she's okay but you don't really know us so like you can't really join in and i was like oh yeah i always love that that's very like when vicky would always say that to a new girl. She goes, you're the new girl. You can't. You have to shut up. I've started this show.

39:02I've started this show. You're new. Shut up.

39:06Ronnie Karam: I created this show. I created it. But that's what they did to Angie, and that's what Meredith used to do to Angie. Like, oh, who even is this? I don't need to talk to the new girl. And now Angie's doing it to a new girl. Oh, how they grow. Yeah, it's just the cycle of life. So then this is where I found quite questionable because her talking head, she said, whoa, listening to them fight is like the Adam West Batman shows because it's like bang, boom, shabam. Yeah, I was like, what? What are you referencing? What are you, 85 years old? This is like the little rascals. That's spanky, just always getting in trouble i now i'm like quite as much older than she said she is she's she's like she was watching adam west batman in like the early 60s yeah because she even had to say like adam west it's not just it's not the michael keaton batman oh you know she's like this was the ridge no the boing yeah i'm like you're you're you're you were born before world war ii

40:28Ronnie Karam: she's like this is violent like the first stamp for letters that i ever saw like what they're like why what she has nothing

40:39this is like when france this is just like that time france ferdinand was assassinated and kicked off World War I. Huh? What?

40:49Ronnie Karam: This reminds me of Magellan getting upset when he was pulling into America. Like, what? Why, what? I have nothing. She's just like Cersei, isn't she? She's amazing. Yeah, she owns a mountain, so whatever. So Heather's like, Ladies, enough is enough. We are sisters, and sisters need to come together not go back into cycles of sisters not being sisters what are we non-sisters i was like heather you just like started all those that's how it rolls heather starts it and then she's like why is everybody fighting yeah can we just come together let's just be sisters again yeah and so they all agree that they're just gonna start over again and so they just all laugh We're sisters.

41:44For now.

41:46Ronnie Karam: For now. Because we see clips of San Francisco where they're fighting again. Next week. So random. San Francisco is so random. Love it. But like, I just... All the California show... We talk about it a lot. Like on the Valley when they went to San Diego. I'm like, California Board of Tourism is like, has Bravo by the neck. It really does. And how they act like it's so glamorous every time. They're like, are we going to really do this in glamorous San Diego?

42:23Ronnie Karam: Glamorous San Diego. It's so amazing. Yeah, this is San Diego. This is like fucking crazy. We're going to San Diego. It's like, what? Luke, please don't do this to me right before we go to San Diego. Yeah, like, I just want to enjoy San Diego. Like, you know I love it there. Like, don't do this right. How could you all act like this in San Diego? They are like that. But Salt Lake City used to never even get to go out of town. They would be like, okay, you can go five free from the city limits. Jen's ankle monitor will start electrocuting her if she leaves the county.

43:02Ronnie Karam: Carrie, thank you so much for being with me. What a joy. You're a glorious man. And I really appreciate you being here. I love your podcast so much. And thanks for being here so much. Like you were here a really long time. I also kept you waiting 10 minutes because I couldn't plug my computer properly. To watch. So thank you. To do this with you with Magic Hour, like creeping into my place. I feel very lucky. So. It really is. You're like sepia tones now. I know. I'm in the dust bowl. Quay. Back in the dust bowl. What, Quay? What? Back when the Great Depression first hit. Before we had screen doors.

43:41Ronnie Karam: It's really rough. Back when I was doing jump rope for pennies on the traveling carnival.

43:51Ronnie Karam: Thank you so much for being here. Everybody, love you. Go get tickets, by the way, for Crappens. We start October 3rd. I guess we should mention that. We're going to be in Chicago and Kansas City. So go get tickets, please. Oh, my God. And Carrie, thanks so much for being here. Follow Carrie on Instagram and of course, check out the hilarious Sexy Unique podcast. Otherwise known as Sup. Sup. Yeah. Give Tony some kisses for me over there. And I'll talk to you later. Bye, everybody. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way.

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