#3553 Next Gen NYC S2E014 Part One: Secret Tingles with Kara Berry

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1:29Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Old Bravs. It's Ronnie. Ben is still out of town. He'll be back next week. And so I've had the chance to talk to some of our real life and show friends here on the show. And it's been such a fun week. Today is the gorgeous and talented Cara Berry. Love you. From everyone's business but mine. hello and welcome to the show hi thank you so much for inviting me happy to be here with you as usual yes it's really good to see you it's been a while i think the last time we talked was a crappy hour well we saw each other in real life in new york city we did shout out to a cast yeah it was so glamorous being together remember there was that lady from dance moms did you know that that was a lady from Dance Moms that was there?

2:25Yes, we had recorded before, so I knew she was coming, yeah.

2:29Ronnie Karam: I didn't know until after. I wish people told me stuff. Yeah. I'd have been like, oh, hey, lady from Dance Moms. Shout out to Christy. She's a nice lady. Yeah, and she has a show on Acast too, eh? Yeah. Oh, all Acast family. Before we get into this, this is Next Gen NYC. Just want to plug our tour, the In The Mix tour, Watch what crap happens. Coming to a lot of places. We start October 3rd and October 4th. We'll be in Kansas City and Chicago. And then the 17th and 18th, we're in Minneapolis and Detroit. And then in November, we're in Philadelphia, Washington, and Dallas, and then Austin, Houston, and...

3:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, Dallas, Austin, and Houston. Yeah, those are all Texas. That's all in November. Up until November, we're going until the end of February. we end in New York City for the Golden Crappies. So go to Watch What Crappens now to get your check at length. And thanks for sitting here through the plug. No, I'm thrilled. I'm hoping to be back at the crappies backstage where things happen, apparently. History's made. Oh, you'll be there. And things will. It's amazing how we just throw that together and just watch everybody go. Go. It is like my dream. It's like I woke up and Pat was at a makeup stand like, come sit next to me, darling.

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4:20Ronnie Karam: All right. So what are you thinking so far on this season of Next Gen NYC? What are your overarching opinions? Oh, overarching. I am Charlie Secor's biggest hater. I do not find him to be entertaining. I don't think he's funny. I don't think that he is anything that he thinks that he is. And he's deeply like I he's I give a lot of space for people who are in their villain role and need to remain on the show. Charlie's one of the few people who that does not apply. I want him gone immediately. He's rotten. I think I picture him in the Willy Wonka's factory doing the egg thing. And he's like, and he's going down the chute.

5:03That's Charlie to me.

5:04Ronnie Karam: Oh, wow. Okay. And what do you think they would need to do to get rid of Charlie? Just get rid of him and keep everybody? Or do you think they would need to replace him with another villain? Honestly, I don't care. he's such a bad seed for me anything would be better anything at all yeah he is really a bad dude i do find it entertaining i mean look the past two reunion shows i mean the only ones we've got are really all charlie yeah and i don't i don't know i guess maybe i've watched this stuff for so long that i'm like the villain is necessary but you're right it does come to a point where it's like is it is it necessary and is this person taking all of the air out of the room and that's why no one else can rise to the villain era yeah you know i feel like i see right through this man and i actually think this episode kind of highlighted this theory that i've had that charlie looks at his life and this show at least like the sims like everybody's a player in his game and if they don't he's got rules for how people should behave and how they should move And if not, he's going to fuck your girl or like do something else.

6:17It's just very odd to me.

6:19Ronnie Karam: How do you think he gets that much in real life? Like he, cause everyone seems to really like Charlie, like go to his house at two in the morning. It's always someone like who, who's going to hook up with Charlie. Why? I don't know. Like I'm trying to understand what is it about this guy. But to me, he just doesn't even seem interesting. Like for all of this. Yeah. He's a bad boy. Yeah. It's the bad boy. But I don't know. Bad boys are cute when you're, I guess, maybe like 24. But then I think in the 30s is when I started to be like, oh, you're never going to have a job. Exactly. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, he's just very much a snake oil salesman to me.

7:05And I feel like he's deeply insecure. And he projects that just by being evil.

7:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Wow. Okay, fair enough. What do you think about Georgia? Okay, so Georgia, I'm not like, I don't want to say she's like a step below. I enjoy her a lot more. But in terms of Georgia, I do feel like the company you keep, especially with regard to this Amira thing, I just really wonder, like, she claims that when Charlie would say all these transphobic things that she would push back and try to offer a different perspective. But I don't, I don't believe that. yeah um i don't think charlie's the kind of friend you push back on a lot especially if you're sleeping on the couch yeah yeah yeah all right well let's get into it so we start where we left off which is with georgia and charlie fighting again and again about the same thing over and over and the rest of the cast is sick of it and um even andy is just like oh jesus like andy a few times in this reunion looks like oh my god just kill me please what am i doing here yeah because charlie's main reaction every time georgia says something is well i brought you here you're the reason why i'm the reason why you're on the show yeah he's very vicky gumbelson i find it to be an interesting uh parallel between those two because at first glance you wouldn't think that they're that much alike but they do both do the really wide-eyed thing and kind of move their lips like what what what and then they say things like you're here because of me you can't say anything you're here because of me babe you're some twink who got caught you're some like aging twink who lucked into getting cast on this show yeah i'd love to know like how did you get cast sir like let's tell the truth how did he get cast who does he know that he was who is he connected to brooks right i guess brooks if he talks maybe we'd get an answer sorry i was taking a sip of top of chico uh so brooks is i forget how intense it is every time i'm like wow that's a lot of bubbles that is a lot of bubbles um brooks is getting a lot of hate from the audience this year do you find that it's more than normal i think it's pretty pretty much what we've been accustomed to since we've seen him on salt lake but i you know another hot take i'm not so anti brooks maybe this is because i met him at the party and he just gave me everything that i wanted i went up to him and i talked to him about his sister chloe's uh single aura and how i listened to it and he was like oh my god i'm like obsessed with her like he got so excited for brooks and that was just a moment for me so now i love the whole family yeah what party were you at um the premiere party for next gen this this season oh cool yeah different era oh charlie and ariana were together no hudson was hudson and ariana This was the brief reconciliation period.

10:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I like Brooks, too. I don't really find Brooks that. I mean, I think he's just a spoiled little brat sometimes. But, like, who isn't? It's next-gen NYC. I don't get why people are so upset. But they're, like, really upset. Yeah. How does the man make his light Terry to him? I don't get it. I think he should absolutely say. I really, like, begrudgingly, if Charlie has to say, fine. But like, I don't think that Brooke should leave. Definitely not Riley. Yeah, I really do like all of the kids that are the Nepo baby kids. Well, the Bravo Nepo baby. I guess everybody's a Nepo baby on the show.

11:01Ronnie Karam: But like the Bravo Nepo babies. I do like them because I've seen them since they were little kids on TV. And I don't care. I don't care if they're entertaining. Like Gia, I think, is super boring. And she doesn't add much. But I like her on there. Yeah. You know, I'm excited because I'm already predicting a season three. Once she admitted that she and her boyfriend are going to move to the city, they're going to break up within six months. And then we're going to see Gia in the city single. That's what I've been wanting for Gia this whole time. To be in the city and single. I think she'll be home a lot anyway.

11:36I think she'll be one of those that is like leaving to go to Jersey a lot. Right.

11:41Ronnie Karam: I think she feels so much pressure to not be in Jersey. And I know it's next-gen NYC, but, I mean, if you're Jersey, you're Jersey. Yeah. Don't apologize. One thing Jersey people don't do is apologize. That is for sure. Yeah. I feel like we'll know that Gia's really grown into herself when she's like, I am in Jersey, and I like it. So, fuck all you guys. Like, she does still say that thing, like, it's just right over the turnpike. Right. I flew out of Newark this past time I was in New York, and I was like, oh, my God, fuck this turnpike. because the traffic, you know, the traffic, something happened on one street and it set the traffic back and it took me two and a half hours to get there.

12:20Ronnie Karam: And I was like, you know what, this is not easy, Gia. And that's, that's how much the shows get into my brain that I'm like literally mad at Gia. It's like I was having to go to Gia's house for a party or something. I was like, this is not easy. No, I don't want to take the path train anymore. We're not doing this. yeah uh so georgia and charlie are fighting over you know she says she's like well you remember me because i didn't give you loyalty in season one where's my loyalty and ariana and amira just like oh god why do we have to keep listening to them it's the same thing over and over and charlie says he would take he would take uh what is it accountability for the omar shit if she would take accountability for being the first to fracture their relationship.

13:12And Andy just goes, the boombox.

13:14Ronnie Karam: Like, are we still talking about the boombox? Are they? No, he doesn't know what he's talking about either, Charlie. Like, he has no idea what the first strike was. It's just, like, well, you have to do it first. But, like, what happened? We didn't even get an answer as to what she did. well she betrayed him i guess by being on the hate charlie train he says i do think it's about the boombox i think it's like a real housewife show where the first fight is always the fight forever even if it's about other things it always goes back like heather gay will be mad until the day you know she's with the angels i mean even then she'll probably be at the gates of heaven being like lisa barlow called me a good time girl and said she didn't know me in college Yes.

14:03Ronnie Karam: I think it always goes back to that first thing. And I think it was the boombox. He's like, you took my boombox and you just didn't give it back. And I got you on this TV show. And now you're treating me like shit. Boombox dealer. Fully, fully agree. But Amira does bring up a good point of like, how could she have been on the we all hate Charlie train if this was all happening in real time? She couldn't see the edit and how you were going to be coming off. Yeah. but i think everybody did hate charlie like everybody knew they hated charlie yeah i mean because charlie's an asshole but charlie's one of those people who's an asshole and then he's like why is everybody coming for me exactly he was being so rude to riley um and honestly everybody he thought that he was above the bravo kids um and he brings that up like the network was protecting their beloved bravo children which i get but i feel like he's got an issue with production not really so much georgia and the other people on the show that are the bravo nepo babies like he's so resentful about them like oh you're gonna protect them what did they do like what what did riley and brooks and gia do or ariana do in that first season that was so bad that needed protecting.

15:24Ronnie Karam: I don't think they did anything. Nothing. Because he would not be on the show if it wasn't for them. Like, they were the big get. They were the reason why we got the show to begin with. So let's really, I don't know what his issue is. Yeah, he's a bitter man. Yeah. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. FX's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th installment, with the iconic horrors you'd love to fear and an all-star cast reprising fan favorite roles. Light your candles, draw your pentagrams, and prepare for a supreme surprise. FX's American Horror Story 13 premieres September 24th on FX and Hulu.

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17:18Ronnie Karam: That's 50 % off your first year at Monarch.com with code CREPINS. So, Georgia is saying, you know, you would always say you have to support me no matter what and you put so much pressure on me. And he's like, I've, what? Literally never said that to you. What do you mean? They're like, Charlie, let her talk. No, because she lies and she slanders me. She's like, you were saying things that I could not get behind. Things that you were saying about Riley behind her back and her face, but also behind her back. And this is kind of a Georgia thing where whenever she's mad, she's like, oh, by the way, here's what Charlie said behind your back that I've never told you.

18:04Ronnie Karam: And that's her big weapon. But like you pointed out, you were sitting there while he said it. Where was the big defense from you? Right. and Ava also brings that up like why is he so comfortable saying these things to you in private yes and um Charlie's like she's always lying on me blah blah blah so then Amira is like okay stop you know she has every reason to be irritated with you like you guys have dragged this out for way too long this is boring I am bored and it goes on yeah Charlie's like I'm not I'm only answering a question from God knows who and wherever the fuck they are.

18:50Ronnie Karam: So Ava's like, you guys have to admit it, though. It's not like he's sitting here bringing her up all the time, you know? Like, it's the only thing that Georgia talks about. And, like, when I was watching the show, I was like, damn, she only talks about Charlie. Ava's gotten so much more energy this season, but she still seems so like asleep all the time. Yeah. And it's like she gets me and then she loses me. I'm not understanding why she is now so thick as thieves with Charlie. Like what happened? Does she need a couch to sleep on? Like what's going on with the loyalty now? I don't understand it.

19:34Ronnie Karam: I think it's maybe like if I had to guess, I would say it's you can be bitchy together, you know? Like when you go outside and have a cigarette, which you don't smoke, but I do. And one of the best things about, and that's even why I keep vaping, because like you go outside to have a vape and then that is where you find people talking shit every time. Inside, if you talk shit, people are like, Ronnie, man, that's unkind, you know. But outside, the smokers are like, yeah, fuck that person. And then you become best friends. Yeah. So I think that there is something about like a talking shit club and she can just talk shit freely around Charlie.

20:13Ronnie Karam: The problem is he's going to betray her the same way, you know, let her secrets out and stuff like that, too. Exactly. He's kind of like Lala in that way of like you can only be friends with Charlie for so long before he starts to drown you. Yeah. For airtime. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And like, you know, Ava bringing up, well, Georgia, you really were talking about Charlie so much and he was never talking about you. But this also goes back to the fact that Charlie poached Omar and his suit from Georgia and was like, I'm going to be friends with him and do club, club, club. Club, club, club, club, club. So do you think, so you're definitely on Georgia's side on that one.

21:01you think that charlie poached omar a thousand percent yeah i think he definitely does whatever he can i don't really think there's really any like real end goal other than vengeance i think he absolutely was like all right georgie you don't want to be friends i'm gonna take your man just like i don't he's got like that's like his thing yeah that's like how he gets revenge

21:25Ronnie Karam: by taking your person. Yeah. So were you hurt by Georgia and that's why he befriended Omar? He's like, no, no. I mean, Omar, like his personality, his fashion sense. I mean, the man has a whiteboard that he writes this on. Who wouldn't want to be friends with Omar? It's amazing. He's an amazing guy. He breaks into an office that's unoccupied in the Lower East Side and we talk business. What isn't there to like about him? i do love his whiteboard though one of my favorite scenes of last season was georgia being like okay here's my idea it's a club but it's called club i'm gonna write it down bowling bowling it's huge i would like to state for the record omar also has charges for um ponzi scheming like years ago he does yes he oh my gosh some company that he was like increasing the valuation of in order to like shore up more money.

22:27Yeah. He's a scammer.

22:29Ronnie Karam: Wow. But you know what? Part of me is just like young people working, like good for him. It's so much of an effort. So many people I feel like just don't work, you know, of all ages. So I see people, you know, that young working and I'm like, good for you. It takes a lot of effort to get caught by the feds. I'll give you that. Yeah. You know, you got attention from the big boys.

22:57Ronnie Karam: this wasn't some small time hustle you did it congrats uh and he's like yeah and then you're mean to me and then despite that i tried to be as supportive as i could when you didn't have a house i mean you're three weeks on my couch blasting survivor in my fucking ear and she's like yeah i do love survivor i love it okay at the halloween party georgia resurrected charlie's alleged hurtful comments about amira and her boyfriend kevin uh so luann from new york said money can't buy you glass i lift up women seems like you told amira about charlie's comments in the public group setting to elicit a reaction out of her uh so amira has completely forgiven georgia for this she's like i'm gonna come in here i'm not even gonna get mad at georgia i should have been mad at charlie this whole time and now i'm not gonna be mad at georgia what do you think of that she needs to be mad at both of them like full stop georgia absolutely dropped that information because she was feeling some type of way about charlie befriending amira again she was hurt she didn't want him to have any allies and yeah amira ended up getting caught in the crossfire and ended up being like direct damage, collateral damage in this beef between them.

24:22And it's whack. Yeah. It's just whack.

24:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think Amira's been incredibly classy. I would have gone off on both of them. Yeah. And that's the most we ever did see her go off was that day. I was like, oh, because she was pissed. Yeah. And rightfully so. And I agree with you. I think that they're both to blame. Yeah, Charlie did say that, I'm sure. He's even admitted that he said it. But Georgia just using it as a weapon against Charlie when she knew it was going to really hurt him. You're on camera. It's crazy. And then being like, whoa, I didn't even know that was bad. I just didn't even know about it. It's so weird. Have you guys heard that they sell bagels in grocery stores?

25:08Ronnie Karam: It's nuts. You can get sex at the same time. It's not talked about enough. So we talk about this Kevin being gay thing, and Andy tries to push a little bit on it. And he's like, so, you know, Kevin didn't seem to be really mad. You seem to be upset about it. So why were you more upset than Kevin was when he was the one who was called gay? And she's like, well, I think the compact, the compact, the comment impacts me more than it impacts him. And Andy's just looking at her like. she's like you're my friend georgia you're not his friend and then in general the compact the comment impacts me more he's like and she's like the comment is basically implying that i'm a man which is not true so yes and he's like oh yeah okay because through the season they really didn't address that you know they kind of tap danced around it and um charlie says well i've known Amira for many years.

26:09Ronnie Karam: She's not shy about her identity. She's not shy to talk about her journey. And she says, well, not on TV. And I'd never wanted that to be part of my conversation on TV. And that's what Charlie knew that apparently. Yeah. And she's like, and that's what you did. Like you kind of took that away from me. But this is like another thing that Charlie tends to do is that he'll bring something up inflammatory. And then Ariana says it later, like, this was not something you should have brought up and he'll be like that's valid yeah that's like completely fair but then why did you talk about it well that makes me crazy kind of in modern communication i blame love island i guess that's just the most recent example of it but where people do really bad things and then when they're confronted they're like oh my god valid your feelings are so valid i apologize your feelings it's oh it makes me crazy i just i feel like only good people should be able to go to therapy because I feel like for bad people, it's just used as a weapon and I'm sick of it.

27:11Ronnie Karam: You know? No, I fully agree. Like people have been using those terms for evil these past few years and it's not good. It's out of control. Yeah. It's like you learn how to manipulate better and just get away with all the bad shit you're doing. And then once you say valid, I apologize. Then people look like an asshole if they're not like, oh, okay, hey, well, you apologized and you heard me out. So now I have to forgive you where, you know. I mean, I guess people could just be like, fuck you. I fucking hate you. Don't fucking call me again. Right. Charlie does bring up like a sort of good point of I'm not the one who brought this on camera, but none of this would be on camera if you didn't say anything.

27:52Yeah.

27:53Ronnie Karam: And it's also that you're supposed to be someone's best friend and that's what you're saying behind their back. Right. That's crazy. the crime is not that you got exposed the crime is that you said it in the first place exactly he's like i didn't bring it on tv that's the crime so um he is saying yeah but you know like i respect you and everything amira but kevin like i don't think that calling someone gay is an insult like he's just pretending not to get it like what do you yeah he's almost trying to turn it like oh you you saying that someone gay is an insult is the insult and she's like no no she just gives a look like oh my god i explained this like in plain english and you're gonna still pretend not to get it right and she said i've been so mad at him yeah yeah and she says um you know this opened up the floodgates of bigots and hatred and not just to me but to kevin and andy's like well you weren't getting those before this comment and she's like no like i literally never did yeah i i thought it was like a really i i've enjoyed seeing amira and how she's like navigated being on this tv show it never really occurred to me that they never talked about her identity.

29:17But now like knowing that this was an intentional thing on her end and like people knew about it behind the scenes, it's just like even worse. Because obviously Amira has confided in Charlie about her identity and any insecurities that she may have and how it might come off on the show and like to know that he's then still continuing to make jokes about her.

29:40Ronnie Karam: And it's a tricky, it's a tricky place for her to be in that I don't think a lot of people think about yeah because i feel like usually when you're in that position it's like your whole storyline and they want they question you about it constantly and like how do you feel you know how do you feel growing up trans and how do you feel what the cast relating to is your trans and they said this do you think it's because you're trans kind of if you're gay or if you're uh you know i would imagine you know being a person of color where people are like well how is this how is this like for you being a person of color where it's just like, can I just fucking show up and have a conversation like everybody else where every single thing isn't about my identity?

30:24Ronnie Karam: But then there's also the responsibility of people who are like, well, you're on TV. So you have that responsibility where you should be talking about it and you should be like furthering the cause or whatever. and I would imagine that's a lot of pressure kind of from both ends yeah but I also think like the representation of like let's just not talk about it and we see Amira having parents who are loving and supportive and it just is what it is like that needs to be shown too and normalized I agree yeah and that's what side I fall on it I just think that being in that position being her having pressure from both sides must be exhausting right right and so she wanted to come on and just be just be a character on the show and so she's looking at this as like now you're dragging it into this and then you've brought out all of these bigots because now it's a topic and thanks dick basically right and he's like well i didn't mean to and she's like but you did so now stupid georgia i mean i can't i think georgia is one of the naturally funniest people on tv and i love her on this show but oh my god if she doesn't do some stupid shit so andy is like well georgia do you regret it after hearing all of this that amira's just said it's like georgia do you regret it and she's like um no like i don't really regret it and like like not knowing it was off limits but like i don't really regret the timing either so no right help us all okay maybe some therapy speak would be good yeah maybe a little so uh andy asked zamira on this about the ski trip when she basically told charlie you know we're done for a while like we need a break and she said i just felt like our relationship became collateral damage in their fight and whether or not it was intentional it caused a lot of problems in my life and my relationship and we did go to the bahamas together as a group and it was fine i can be around him in a group but i don't know that we're going to be that close you know and she's and i do like that amiran does put it flat out there where she's just like Charlie and Georgia are so annoying if they're not going to be friends I don't even want to deal with them because I like I don't even want to be friends with you separately you know she's an icon good for her like yeah good for her for breaking that all down like I'm not trying to be friends with either one of you if you guys are going to be getting into it and I also don't want to be friends with you individually I'm good and she shouldn't I loved that we saw her like come back and hold a boundary with Charlie because I feel like, I mean, we see people like getting caught up in his grip, his gnarled fingers every time.

33:28So I appreciate somebody for holding a boundary to Charlie. I mean, like I'm not going to continue to like, let you get away with things.

33:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I like that. Cause she just says what she feels and does not give a fuck. Now that said, the next thing I was like, now, come on Amira, because she said, and Georgia, I also wanted to say too at girls night, you know, you feel like, I don't, I feel like you don't get what I was saying when I, when you were talking about Charlie and Omar going into business and you saying it was rude that I was suggesting that you should join in on that. I think that is what Amira was saying that I think Amira was like, just go join their business. Yeah. What are you crying about? This was news to me. I was not taking what she said of, I actually met Georgia.

34:11I was going to give you my legal team's contact information to go after them that's not what i heard yeah i think

34:18Ronnie Karam: this was a bunch of bullshit and george was like oh okay like great yeah and i was like you know you should never let guys steal your business idea which yeah yeah i feel like amira has uh two lies that she can tell for all the lies that everybody else in this cast does i feel like she's got two in her pocket that she can tell that was one and then she gets another one that's she's like one she's got one other till she hits the limit yeah yeah i thought this was kind of bullshit when she's like yeah i just i'm just here to support women and what i was saying is you shouldn't let a guy steal your business which what she really said was so what if they stole your business go try and get a piece of it right commercials here comes one right now Summer has wound down.

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36:25Ronnie Karam: There is such a better way to spend your time than doom scrolling or watching terrible TV. Get some stories in your life, okay? Audible is perfect for that. I use it while I'm cleaning the house, while I'm running errands. I listen to books all day, every day with Audible. Yeah, they have a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts. And it is really the perfect thing to turn on when you're taking a long drive, washing some dishes. Like, enrich yourself. new members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash wwc amira does have a very she is very aware of the audience audience reaction i think that's one of the biggest problems on the show and it's not really just with her it's with all of them i think charlie maybe georgia are the only ones who don't really care but everyone else is so affected by what the audience says and they're always trying to reword everything they say to make it sound palatable instead of just being like fuck off yeah gia is like so hyper aware of all of it at all times it's so interesting just like on a meta level to see like oh this is what a child of a reality star who's been in this world for like their whole life this is how they think now this is where their brain operates yeah it's like branding you know yeah some people would say well it's just to you know it's good to be wary or to be aware rather of people's feelings and speak in a certain way but i don't think that they're doing it to save feelings i think they're doing it to save brand sponsorships and yeah that's great you know they'll sell your brands but yeah this is not about personal development it's only about image yeah it's about brand development so everyone apologizes basically to amira and then we go on break and we go to ariana's dressing room where she's eating chicken nuggets because she is a zolciak at the end of the day she's always gonna have some sweet tea and some nuggets and that's it and um hudson's coming out soon And then we just keep cutting to Hudson standing back there all awkwardly like, yeah, I'm going to be out there soon.

38:46Ronnie Karam: I'm going to do it. I'm going to bring it. Standing there in crystal minkuffs, ugly leather pants. God bless him. Sweaty nutted Hudson.

39:00Ronnie Karam: So we go to Georgia and Brooks in another dressing room. And Georgia's like, Ava's next to him. Like, yeah, you are kind of obsessed with him. And I'm like, bitch, shut the fuck up. You're obsessed with him. What are you doing right now? Okay, Georgia, but that's what we need on the stage. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, let's talk about this on the couches. And Ava and Charlie are in their room talking about how nobody knows who the real Georgia is. Nobody sees it. Well, who is she? Let's talk about it. Yeah, who is the real Georgia? Because if she's really super evil, I want to know. Yeah, what's going on underneath those harem pants?

39:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Those what? Oh, the harem pants. at first i thought you said hair implants and i was like really that's so good oh my gosh looks great back to georgia and brooks uh so they're just basically talking shit back there so now welcome back we're you know now uh cooper dog lover on twitter wants to know if any cast members are not getting help from their parents financially and it's gia amira ariana ava and georgia which is a lot for this cast yeah but also like ariana gia and ava we know you didn't even have to yeah given the situation girl we you can't take money from your parents your father's constantly in debt ava your father's taking money from you i would rather that question Like who is actively supporting their parents right now?

40:38Because that was Kim Zolciak's thing too.

40:42Ronnie Karam: She was like, oh, sorry, I'm asking for money again. Oh, geez. Got to send mom another 10 grand. Ariana, how much of that water bill are you still having to pay now? Yeah. So Kathy from Catherton says, what are you aspiring to be or do in the future, Riley? and Riley wants to go back to school and become an entertainment lawyer. And her mom's going to help her pay, which is great. And then Andy asks Gia why she didn't know what her boyfriend did for a living. That was pretty bad. I was just trying to get his real title. I wanted to get his title, right? um does charlie have an interest in doing brand deals or being an influencer and he's like oh i would i would love uh nothing more than uh you know to monetize the show i've been thinking handcuffs duct tape um air fryers to uh have somebody who might be tied to a chair cracking what about that well how's monetizing going for you he's like not great um basically because this whole like crypto torture house thing ruined my brand so oh please what what was charlie going to influence even before crypto torture million dollar question ronnie i like was racking my brain of who and what what would what who vitacoco like who's going to sponsor him like a skateboard he skateboards or he does bluetooth speakers you know he can have a bluetooth speaker or something tony you know like one of those little coke spoons that you put in a necklace you carry around timberlands i don't know big baggy denim company man spreader united Yeah, exactly.

42:49Ronnie Karam: How can we monetize manspreading? I think that needs to be... Someone needs to monetize manspreading. You bring back the Thighmaster so you can really get that spread. Yeah, the Suzanne Somers. So let's see. I don't know. A lot of this is small talk, you know, because they're kind of boring. I feel for Andy for dealing with this cast because they make a very entertaining TV show. but i think a lot of times when they're not being edited they're just like like liam is literally just staring off into space this entire time and he's kind of like playing with his nails yeah what's that practically sliding down the couch he's almost on the floor at the end of the reunion he is he's falling asleep this whole time um so guys is charlie brand safe And Ava's like, oh, I think he's getting there.

43:41Ronnie Karam: I mean, look at all the, you know, nothing he's doing. He'll get there. He'll get there, guys. How's it going with George's cleaning product? And she's like, oh, my God, like so much good progress. Like people are really going to be so excited about cleaning soon. I've really been grinding for a month, and there have been a lot of stops and starts, but we're getting there.

44:07you you've been doing it for the past couple weeks so you had something to say

44:11Ronnie Karam: when you got on this couch there are a lot of questions missing here what happened to your gay and why is he no longer a part of this like why did you dump him and he's no longer part of the cleaning product thing i love that scene where they went in the guy's like okay here we are talking about your cleaning products oh smelly okay what are our ideas what are they she's like things that smell good. I just want things that smell good. He's like, oh my god. You know what I love? Pumpkin spice lattes. Have you heard about lemon or lavender as a cleaning product then? True innovation. Yeah. Now, QT from DQ wants to know if you really do financially support your whole family, Amira.

45:05Ronnie Karam: And how long has that been? She's like, I do, and it's been about four years. Like, wow! Can I be your father? Okay. Text from Ask wants to know how you pay for that $16 ,000 a month apartment. Are the internet rumors true that it's an influencer apartment? Wow. An influencer apartment where they just give it to you? She's like, you know. Yeah, I've been doing that for a while. really yeah she had an apartment in midtown for like a few years um that they did pay there are a few buildings i don't think they do it anymore you know the economy is not like it used to be and if you do please let me know now they have like influencer potatoes yeah they're like wow page de sorbo is living in this potato that's 80 000 a month so um everyone talks about you know gushes about how gorgeous the apartment is and stuff and uh ariana talks about how she makes her own money and she's making her own rent and you know she's only got to get through a few more trials in her family and she'll be fine and then andy's like rowan you're still here she's like yeah my sister's hilarious okay so um liam have you considered becoming a fireman full-time and he's like uh yeah yeah i mean pretty much feel like a fireman every day i wake up and i'm like fireman i'm an actor andy i feel it when there is a fire i feel gushing water coming out of me is that an answer how do you feel about liam do you feel like he's too well packaged i'm seeing the wink in the gun so i'm guessing the answer is yes Yeah, every time I talk like Liam I lean back in my chair and finger gun And wink Because he's very much like Yeah, I'm an actor I was in Law and Order Some other things I'm a fireman, I'm a skateboarder I'm a professional snowblower Really, really good at weeds Can pull weeds sometimes I do it all It's basically acting You need to become to really be If that makes any sense It's actor talk if you don't get it.

47:25Ronnie Karam: I can't explain it to you. I think he's kind of cheesy, but he seems nice enough. He seems like a really nice, legitimate dude. Yeah. Yeah, he seems really nice. I just feel like he's very actory. You know, he's one of those guys who's rich and doesn't have to do anything. So he's like, yeah, I just pick out heroic things to do. You know, like I'm a fireman. Okay. And an actor. All right. yeah you've got 17 hobbies and half a job kind of yeah and he comes on the show and immediately goes for like the lead you know romantic interest was intentional yeah okay i just because on these shows you're basically there to kind of date you know what i mean that's what they're about so if you don't date then you're out of there and so i don't know it's like on love island do you believe any of that stuff is real true you know they come on and they're like oh i need the love storyline or i'm not going to have any storyline and um i think he seems savvy enough to think like that not to say that ariana is not worthy outside of using her for a storyline, but yeah, it seems a little weird to me.

48:48I was trying to believe in love here, Ronnie, but okay.

48:51Ronnie Karam: Oh, that's so nice. I know. For the first time in my life. And you grew it.

48:59Ronnie Karam: I believe in love in general. I just don't know that it looks like this. Like the first time you see someone on TV and then like two weeks later, you're like, oh my God, we're getting married. I'm a sister. You're mine now. You're mine. It just seems a little weird to me. Yeah. Who do you believe in love on this show? Do you believe that there's any real true love on this show? I feel like something really could happen between Shy and Ava. I think there's something there. He just needs to take initiative. Yeah. But isn't it a shame that a guy like Shy, because, I don't know, I root for Shy. I think he's such a sweet guy and such a doofy guy.

49:39Ronnie Karam: but isn't it a shame that even someone like that that you really like is still like what i have to make an initiative or take an initiative and like plan a date come on really you can't just stop talking to a girl because it rained outside yeah like you've got a beautiful you've got a beautiful woman here and you're like what i have to ask her out places i don't get it seasonal like seasonal depression that was really funny when he compared it to that so they asked liam about all his hobbies and uh if he's just a rich kid he's like yeah you know i'm basically a rich kid but i'm grateful for it you know so it's like i'm grateful for nepotism and uh circle acceptable valid okay well you from k said do you make any form of sustainable income from your line brooks and he's like well my line is like a portion of my income but it's not like fully sustainable it's not like farmed salmon it's like really light salmon tm i just invented that brooks she just came up with a new kind of salmon everybody's a genius i have been telling this story but i actually saw meredith uh dj the same weekend that he get his pop-up and Seth got on the mic and told everybody go down to Hudson Yards.

51:09Brooksy got the patent on Terry cloth. Go down there after this. I'm not doing that. I'm trying to catch a vibe at the club. I'm not going to do a pop-up.

51:19Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody put your Coca-Cola straws down, get them out of your nose. Daddy has an announcement. Brooksy has come up with light Terry. It's revolutionizing everything. it's a coco chanel of terry like terry very light i did love when brooks was describing it and he's like i came up with like terry cloth but it's light terry cloth but unfortunately it was put in the washing machine and then it fell apart

51:51completely disintegrated

51:57Ronnie Karam: so he is saying that he's paid his parents almost the 100 grand back into the result it is right yeah but do you think that he also borrowed more money that he's not counting yeah 100 yeah yeah now that you mentioned it yes yeah like i paid back that hundred but i've also taken five right so they're like yeah shy has not made any money uh and this was kind of a competition storyline through the year of like oh shy has a pop-up and so does brooks and then the whole cast was like we like shy's better his clothes are cooler his pop-ups cooler he's not standing in front of a sbarro to sell it but the size like yeah i mean i make like five things a year and they're based on grandma's sweaters that I get when people's grandmas pass.

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