#3558 Below Deck Med S11E17 Part One: Abbey Rode Hard

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1:57Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on ye old bravs. I'm Ronnie. That is the handsome and talented Benoony Toons. Hello, Ben. How are you, baby?

2:12Ben Mandelker: I'm great. Today, I come to you from scenic Hartford, Connecticut. Now we're in the same place. Never in the same place twice, you. I know. Well, I will be in the same place twice because I'll also be recording from here tomorrow. And then on Friday, I am going to be making my way towards the center of the country because our tour is beginning in Kansas City. Are you ready?

2:42Ronnie Karam: We will be in Kansas City October 3rd and Chicago on October 4th, Minneapolis on the 17th, and Detroit on the 18th. We're also going to Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Austin, Houston, Nashville, Clearwater, Fort Lauderdale, San Fran, Salt Lake City, Denver, Colorado. Oh, and there's some other stuff on my screenshot cut off. I know that we end in New York City for the Golden Crappies at the end of February. Go get your tickets for all of our dates, but especially the ones coming right up. Saturday, we're going to be where you just said in Kansas City for our opener. And we are going to be covering Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

3:23Ronnie Karam: Then the next night in Chicago, we will be doing Real Housewives of Orange County.

3:29Ben Mandelker: And those are going to be this week's fresh episodes. So, yeah. And if you're listening, if you're not going to be at those shows and you're wondering where the recaps are, they'll just be you know just about two days late so apologies for inconveniencing you but thank you for your patience and we're gonna have a great time at those live shows recapping those

3:49Ronnie Karam: with all of you there it'll be so get your ticket links and all that good stuff and information at watch what crappens.com also i want to thank antonina's gluten-free bakery they hear me talking about my gluten-free family and sent me a huge box of gluten-free sweets muff blueberry muffins chocolate muffins lemon streusels chocolate cake vanilla cake i've made my way through a lot of it with the girls who are gluten-free and it is delicious you can get antonina's in the bakery freezer at walmart and in the bakery at sprout so people looking for good gluten-free it is great and chewy so get it wow that's major awesome saga all right so here Here we are with some Below Deck Med Day.

4:35Ronnie Karam: So you missed a week of Below Deck Med. What are your thoughts? How are you feeling on the whole situation?

4:42Ben Mandelker: The whole situation? Which situation is that specifically? Because there are a bunch of situations happening. I was like, we can just go through.

4:48Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Was anything bugging me that you didn't get to talk about last week?

4:53Ben Mandelker: You know, I thought the season's been absolutely tremendous. and um i don't know i don't i don't even remember what happened last episode except for the fact that it sort of it ended with this uh with gail coming out i i the whole joe and nathan thing is fascinating to me you know watching two two straight guys break up as buddies is so interesting because so much on bravo is about the women who stop being friends and so we we've see we've seen many different times and iterations of like female friendship falling apart and we sort of know the cadences of it and so rare that we actually see male friendship falling apart and um i've been really enjoying it um it's it's just it's so funny that we sort of have to as viewers kind of take sides with two pieces of you know it's like i don't know like yeah i mean i don't really want take aside i you know nathan is obviously he's terrible and every single time he opens his mouth about how much he loves gail and how special gail is he's got to protect gail i'm like you're a liar like don't even like patronize us with that but then joe is passive aggressive and everything he does is passive aggressive and when he gets called out on it he's always like i was doing nothing wrong i couldn't even say anything so i'm like i don't know but i think it's wildly

6:15Ronnie Karam: fascinating what do you think um well i was you know i talked about it already i just wanted to give you a chance just in case you missed something you know that you're like damn it i want to talk about that i mean it ended with gail and um nathan and joe getting in a fight which gail pretty much started well i wouldn't say she started she started it in the van but at the restaurant they were forced to sit by each other and then joe sat away from them at a 90 degree angle it's like what i can't even see you but like also like joe just like switch spots with someone stop like it's really so it's so passive aggressive to sit there and then turn your side

6:53Ben Mandelker: turn away and then not include them it was just it was so awkward like and all he had to do was just ask someone at the other end of the table to swap seats yeah but then you've got nathan there giving you that stupid like he's got the deadest eye smirk on him you know he has like a bad guy

7:11Ronnie Karam: in a movie like an abusive guy in a movie and i know we know now that he's an abusive guy in real life but he you know it's like a movie character abusive where he's just like giving you dirty looks smirking at you the whole time like i dare you i dare you to say something to me i'll knock your block off and um so he's doing that the whole time so like i know gail was uncomfortable but you're with the glare face right there as well so they got back in the car and she's like you know like, Joe, I don't like this. And this is so uncomfortable. And he's like, okay. And then he's kind of being a smart ass and just being like, I'm trying to make out with somebody back here.

7:50Ronnie Karam: And then she kept going and going and saying, you need to respect my family. And my family is Nathan. And I do respect the effort that you're making. But your man is a piece of shit. And I don't want to hear anybody standing up for Nathan, especially you of all people. And I don't know, sometimes it's just best to just let things go. Like, where are you fighting with Joe?

8:13Ben Mandelker: Well, I felt like it was unfortunate because I felt like Nathan probably gassed Gail up all season long. So finally she's just like, she's just heard the worst things about Joe. And so she pops off because she's frustrated with him, with this guy. But then, of course, Joe's like, I can't even say anything. I can't do anything. I just think, like, the whole thing just felt very unfortunate to me. Also, like, Joe can just be an adult. if you're going to be stuck at the end of the table with them just ask gail how's she doing how's life what's it like being a mom i mean that sucks you have to ask these questions you don't really care about but like maybe make an effort to be friendly i don't know yeah but being in in

8:51Ronnie Karam: a village you know it's part of being in a community you have to ask people that you don't want the answers to how are you yeah how are your children how is their school like i don't give a fuck but of course I'm going to ask you know because that's what a decent person does just fake it like the rest of us and also when Gail is kind of I don't want to say going off on him but kind of going off on him in her nice in her niceish way that veered into not as nice just say listen I know that we had problems and I'm sorry I'm not coming for you I'm trying to be as respectful as possible and just sit back here and be quiet like you don't have to like me and i'll have you know whatever but of course he's like i really really i can't say a thing well it's because you won't just say sorry and shut up yeah and it's also what's so strange is that this is all based off of you know sort of sniping from two seasons ago where they just they

9:51Ben Mandelker: had like a tense relationship it didn't seem like it was the worst relationship it was just sort of tense not great they just didn't quite mesh but like you would think they had had some sort of like huge argument in their past and they really hadn't it's just more like he didn't really like her she didn't really like him i mean he didn't like her because she called him out on on him being a bad worker which he was and um and then just how he was treating the women

10:15Ronnie Karam: yeah and i think it just around and then acting like a victim and making everybody cry

10:19Ben Mandelker: yeah and just sort of smoldered over so it's just sort of funny that it's become this whole thing of like they hate each other when it like the basis was not anything so dramatic it's just stuff that built up and up and up and up but um yeah i mean i see what you mean but it's also

10:35Ronnie Karam: the fact that these two guys were friends and then joe was jealous because you know a woman came between them yeah and then nathan tried to like change his you know person personality and reputation for gail by so we saw nathan trying to be just like joe and right before he called gail and begged for her back, he was trying to sleep with Kizzy. And then Kizzy didn't sleep with him. And then he immediately was like, well, I lost this one again. I lost another one to Joe. So I guess I'll call Gail and try and make that work. So he's such a piece of shit, this guy. And he's such a baker.

11:10Ben Mandelker: And you've been, you know, this has been a point that you've brought up. This has been a point, the Kizzy thing. You brought that up so many times about how like Nathan acts like he's, he's so much more virtuous. He's into something deeper when he was just as guilty as everyone else who sort of like had a go at kizzy last season and the truth is that i think that what happened with that situation is that that didn't really work out whatever i don't remember the fine details of like nathan and kizzy but i do think that he like i think he felt like he needed to rebrand himself and his entire idea of who he is and it's like oh you know what i don't i don't go for these cheap hookups i'm looking for something deeper i want a family so it's not like it's okay that things with me and kizzy didn't work out it's okay that she actually likes someone else she doesn't like me as much because i want something deeper and then he starts reflecting on gail and then he goes back to gail and he like love bombs her and it's like i'm in love with you because you know he sees that everything else is falling apart so he goes after he goes back to the one thing that seemed to be okay so he's built this whole you know relationship off of that And now we see, you know, that house of cards all come tumbling down.

12:24Ronnie Karam: It's like when someone stops drinking or doing drugs. I've been that person many times. And you're like, well, it's really hard to be around the same people who are still doing that. And so you think you have to, like, go make a whole new group of friends, which, by the way, I didn't. I just kept my old drunks. And they're still great. But when you first go through that, it's like, oh, I have to distance myself or have a different lifestyle. And I think being a horrible person like Nathan and Joe and treating women like pieces of meat, I think that that's addictive to them. That's like their addiction.

12:57Ronnie Karam: And this is very much Nathan trying to be like, no, no, I'm not. I'm a good man. I'm a good man. I'm a good man. Because when you say he's trying to have a family, he didn't decide he was going to have a family. You're right. I didn't mean that. And then he decided like, oh, I'm going to do this. Yeah. But yeah. Anyway, that's a really long discussion. deep discussion about I don't even know we're discussing fuck these guys the end of the day fuck both of these people and I'm not buying Joe's bullshit because Joe you know Joe does have real stuff going on but of course it's like Joe's under a microscope so now he's going to bring out all the trauma and do the typical reality show thing where it's like well but it's it's my you know my mom has my mom is sick and my dad is and it's not that all that stuff's not true but you're such an asshole and I don't want to give you the like, aww, because I know that you're being manipulated.

13:49Ronnie Karam: I know that you're using it to manipulate and I think it's gross.

13:51Ben Mandelker: And I suspect that Nathan's role on the show has been minimized in the recent weeks. Like I feel like he's not, I sort of was reflecting on this last, this week's episode and there wasn't a huge amount of Nathan in it. So I'm sure there was a directive to like only include Nathan where he really needs to be included, which then gives Joe more of a center stage, which also means that joe is getting a more complimentary edit and even if not complimentary it's more complex more we see more stuff with joe which automatically makes us like him more so he's really benefiting from this whole situation in a way that i don't think he was earlier in the season i think earlier in the season he was just like a full-on underminer and we were sort of on nathan's side and i think the arc of the season was that nathan also has emotional issues and i feel like probably what it was supposed to be is that Nathan has emotional issues, but by the end of the season, he gets over them and he winds up growing as a bosun and Joe continues to be whatever.

14:51Ben Mandelker: But now it's more just like, look at Joe coming into his own. And he's really benefiting from this very complimentary edit that I don't think necessarily reflects who he really is. Yeah.

15:04Ronnie Karam: I was hoping they were doing the cut Nathan down thing, but then last week they had the whole, oh don't look at sweet nathan they're going on date night so they're going to teach you how to keep the baby and they had all of that stuff which was like it's cringy i mean cringy yeah i thought geez i was kind of hoping you'd give him the gary edit but i guess not it's time for a commercial

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16:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but you know what though? I don't like when they do those edits. I actually don't like that. I say give us the show that you meant to give us. We're all adults. We will come up with our own conclusions. We will still have our opinions. We can tell a show versus real life. I don't think we need to be coddled. Like, oh no, this person did something awful, so we can't show them. And I understand it's about like not giving a platform to awful people, but it's already been shot. It's already been done. Don't sacrifice your good storytelling. Like we'll handle it. We'll be okay. We know he's a piece of shit.

17:05Ben Mandelker: We'll call him a piece of shit. And we'll reflect on the irony that we're seeing one thing here and that he's a piece of shit. So I hope that they don't do that. I don't want to be treated with kid gloves.

17:15Ronnie Karam: I mean, yeah, I get that. But I also don't want them to see rewriting history for Nathan, which is like, oh, look at what a sweet guy Nathan is. Because not everybody even follows this stuff. And I don't know that they need to put up a warning on the episode or go that far. And every time they show Nathan, you know, being like, wow, blah, blah, blah, be warned. I don't know that they need to go that far. But giving Nathan this like, oh, he's just a sweet dad and all he cares about is his girlfriend and his baby. Like that's a bit much for me. You know? Yeah, I mean I don't want to see that anyway.

17:50Ben Mandelker: Even if none of this stuff had happened, I don't want to see that. And I mean I get it. It's in poor taste if someone has done something terrible to like show a cute sort of charming scene that's like, oh, wow. Look at this guy being funny and sweet. That's just fluff. You can get rid of fluff. but if there's actual storyline that you're going to change to protect us that i don't i don't want you to mess up storyline i want you to give the best possible tv show you can um and it's a good segue because looking in the notes right now um our uh our note taker she wrote that um that the opening scene to this episode is odd and not much happens because footage of a much worse argument with nathan threatening to hit joe was edited out and the source is us weekly and reddit and i did not know that did you know that no i didn't know that so that's interesting that it was it almost escalated to a physical point which by the way nathan should be happy because the rocks the rocks of dubrovnik took care of it for him yeah i didn't know that gosh i'm on reddit like

18:59Ronnie Karam: every day and then you know threads about below deck non-stop i thought i would have seen this i'm disappointed in myself we uh open where we left off which is this argument in the van between gail joe and kind of nathan nathan's just mad dogging the whole time and uh kaylee is telling joe like let her finish and then you speak but and he's like but she won't let me she won't let me speak which is true but really all you need to say at this point is i'm sorry i i mean no offense

19:29Ben Mandelker: i'm happy yeah you kids it's really easy to be like you know what i have no issue with you gail i'm sorry that i know that we had some back and forth when we're working together but quite frankly i think you're great and you know i apologize that my actions um you know landed that way or or whatever you know i have no issue you know like it's so easy it's such an easy thing to get out of but he he won't and like that also makes me mad when there's such an easy way out of a stupid argument and people don't take it. I just get upset at that. Yeah. Why?

20:01Ronnie Karam: I'm an easy out kind of a man. I'm like, sorry. Okay. I'm so sorry.

20:06Ben Mandelker: Well, that's also like one of the fun parts about being gay. Is that like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. That's all right.

20:15Ronnie Karam: Well, most of the person really hates gay people. I used to do like the, I used to make my accent thicker when I was waiting tables and I would mess up. I'd be like, oh, I'm so sorry, y 'all. And usually that worked. People are like, oh, you know, it's like there's a sweet guy, you know, from God knows where in the South. Be nice to him, everybody. But that sure didn't work a couple of times. People got more upset, you know.

20:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I definitely exaggerate my gay accent if I need to seek apology or I need to speak to a female celebrity. because if you go up to a female celebrity and you're like, oh my God, you are a queen. I love you. Can I take a photo of you? They're like, oh my God, it's a gay. And you get ushered in and welcomed. You can suckle up their teat. But if you're like, hey, I - I've seen you do it.

21:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I've seen you do it with Housewives. Oh, it's so fun. Specifically, especially. Yeah. You're very much like, hi.

21:16Ben Mandelker: It's so fun. Where'd you come from? I love it. I love doing it because it's Yeah, because it's just like It's fun to be like I have this I have this like little I have this thing in my arsenal That I can pull out And it's like effective You know It's a superpower I remember doing it I did it years ago with Kyle Richards Believe it or not That's how I had that photo with Kyle I went up to him and was like Oh my god You are so good on Real House I was at Beverly Hills I just have to get a photo with you She's like yes How are you?

21:45Ronnie Karam: How are you? we go to the other van and it's joy mossy and she's like do you think it was awkward between nathan and joe tonight uh what is your point of view for being a new person and he's like well i come after the problem so for me it's normal thing between them nathan looks like he's acting tough but to me my mom's even scarier than nathan so i don't care and it was funny because such a good way to put it like nathan's acting so tough nobody is afraid of you nathan and you can talk at us with your armpits all you want. He does that later in the episode where he's talking to Joe and he's like, talk to me armpits.

22:23Ronnie Karam: I hate when people, it's so arrogant. No, I'm not talking to you. Your armpits don't scare me.

22:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't, no, I'm not. Yeah, I do love that. Like Masi's Italian mother is actually a tougher, a tougher person than Nathan. And I believe it a hundred percent. Like, let's get her on this boat. Have her run some shit around here, you know? So then we would go back to the argument.

22:44Ronnie Karam: And Joyce says, well, Joe is a very sensitive person. No, you're falling for it. And that's Joy's kryptonite, is falling for things that douchebag men tell her, as we've learned by now. Because I love Joy. I don't care what anybody says. We love Joy. But this is her kryptonite. And she is totally falling for Joe, too. Joe is very sensitive only about himself. Whenever you've seen Joe cry or whenever you've seen him throw a big emotional blah, blah, blah, it's always because of himself. It's not because of the other person.

23:13Ben Mandelker: and he's yeah it's true yeah I mean I love joy I think she is really like up there and like great below deck chef characters but you know her whole thing is that she has been you know hurt and damaged by men but I think we sort of assumed that meant that now she's older and wiser and what we are now realizing is she's just stuck in the loop and that's what makes her like a little salty which we love but she is ultimately stuck in the loop because she's now you know she's still you know entertaining luke she thinks that joe is sensitive and as far as we know she seems to be with cooper now so it's not good but we love it's nothing against her it's a feature not a flaw so then um so we go back to van one and gail is like i don't shit things and i've owned them and you can either own them or you can be just like pretend that they never happen and keep on being a shit person And he's like, but you're not even allowing me to speak, which I find hilarious.

24:09Ben Mandelker: I'm like, well, that's not going to help you. Anytime you say you're not allowing me to speak, you're never going to win the argument because you're now – you're accusing the person of something else, right? So it's just – he's just doing that.

24:22Ronnie Karam: But they are not allowing him to speak. But again, like we said nine times already, all he really has to do is say sorry and just let it go. At this point, you're just fighting with someone's girlfriend that has a newborn at home. Just say sorry.

24:35Ben Mandelker: like my god and then nathan goes well i'm glad you find it hilarious that's very mature of you it's like what are you talking now what are you talking about like that you hear the word hilarious and so now he's just gonna latch on to that and make a new argument like you're immature because you think it's hilarious that we're not allowing you to talk it's like that makes literally no

24:54Ronnie Karam: sense shut up yeah and so joe tells us he's created an awkward environment but it feels to me like i'm just going to be pushed into a corner and beaten down and so nathan and gail stay in the van to go back to the airbnb and um jen is like i'm going to bed that's like so much drama i can't even take it like there's not even anybody hot here it's like crazy there's like so many non-hot people

25:22Ben Mandelker: fighting right now so then nathan and gail go back to their airbnb and they pick up the baby from asia and then she's like how was dina and gail's like he was really nice and then um nathan and asia get back in the car to go back to the yacht and then she's just like how was dinner really which i like she's like there's no way that went well yeah and um he basically bitches and she's like it's because she came in between the bromance that's what happened that's what happened um and then nathan is surprised by this by the way nathan i love how nathan like can't believe this theory it's like uh hello it's like so blatantly obvious yeah uh yeah because nathan

26:09Ronnie Karam: nathan really wants credit for being a good man he's like no i'm not friends with joe because i'm a good man and he's not a good man and that's not the truth do you you this is all because kissy wouldn't sleep with you. So Kaylee and Joe cuddle in his bunk and she's complimenting his curls and he talks about how he's Italian and that's where his eyebrow, his big eyebrows come from and his dad was Scottish. And she talks to him about his dad and he talks about how his dad was abusive and his mom had to escape. And he was walking up the street with his dad when he was 13 and his dad said show me your hands and he did and he's towering above me and he said yeah you're not my son and that's the last time I heard from my dad

26:59Ben Mandelker: to be fair his dad was a very large octopus dad's like what? human hands? you're not my son

27:12Ben Mandelker: I was gonna say

27:13Ronnie Karam: where are your tentacles? I like octopus better his dad was like your cuticles are out of control but i like it better as a mouse

27:24Ben Mandelker: uh well joe now has his he has his jewel moment as in his hands are small but they're his it's also a landlocking moment but um yeah it was actually a very sad story i don't know why i'm making so much fun of it i know why i'm doing it because i can't stand these people

27:40Ronnie Karam: um but by the way it is a sad story but by the way i'm not laughing at the sad story i'm laughing because i'm an asshole but also because i just don't i just think that joe is being emotionally manipulative with the audience and i'm not gonna buy it he just got in trouble with gail on the boat he knows that gail is hugely popular and now he's gonna whip out this story to rub at everybody's heartstrings that doesn't mean he didn't go through it it just means that he's using it as a as a weapon now against us the audience and i don't appreciate it yeah exactly

28:11Ben Mandelker: um another thing i was thinking about just now is that like the whole like nathan hating joe i mean i do feel like the real reason nathan hates joe is because gail is like i fucking don't like that guy and i don't like that you're friends with him which i think is perfectly valid that's his lady she doesn't like him you gotta take your lady's side but what i don't like is i feel like nathan really has not been honest about that's why he doesn't like joe because he's coming with this high and mighty thing of like i don't like the way that joe was treating the women last season what like since when do you have this like sanctimonious thing i mean we all didn't like it right but you actually were there and then you you did get annoyed on the season for sure and he did tell him don't do that but to be like all of a sudden like i hate this guy i just don't think it was purely because he was taking a moral stance but the fact that he's sort of hiding behind that I think is kind of, you know, shitty.

29:08Ben Mandelker: He's being, I don't think he's being as upfront as he is saying that he, like, in the way that he expects some sort of upfront apology from Joe. Are you following what I'm saying? It's sort of a weird nuance thing because it's not like I'm, I'm not trying to shit on Gail here. But I just feel like, I feel like it's pretty obvious why Nathan does not like Joe. And I just feel like I don't appreciate when people have a petty thing and they hide it behind a lofty thing. Yeah.

29:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, and a lot of it, too, is Gail being like, this guy's treating me like shit. Like, how are you supposed to be my partner and not standing up for me? Which is like, I guess he's I get that he's your best friend, but dude. And so he took it to this level, which is like, well, I won't be with Joe because he disrespects women. It's like, oh, for Christ's sake. This is like Joe sucks, but you're also still Nathan. I thought this was interesting here, though, because Joe says, you know, he's still talking about his abusive father. And he says that no matter how angry he gets, he never takes it to that level where he's so aggressive.

30:13Ronnie Karam: And Nathan reminds him of his dad, which, listen, if this was any other season and we didn't know what we know, I'd be like, oh, wow. Okay, so now you're going to compare somebody to, like, your abusive parent because you don't like them? But look how right he was.

30:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he was. Look at that. Look at that. So many layers of this show. So it's the next morning, and it's 8 a.m., four hours before the charter. And people are waking up, and Jen goes up to joy. Because the other thing is that last week, basically, what's-her-face Kat was like, Jen, I really – you're so negative. I really can't deal with your negativity anymore. And I just don't want to hear it anymore. more. So then Jen got really upset. And now Jen has decided, despite everyone, she's going to be really nice and be an effective stew, which I love to, in her mind, this is like, aha, I got one over you.

31:06Ben Mandelker: But everyone else is like, thank you for finally doing what you're supposed to be doing. So as step one of this - Pretending to be nice, like the rest of us. Exactly. It's called being civilized. So Jen -

31:18Ronnie Karam: She tried to manipulate Kat, then that didn't work. So then she turned on Kat and tried to manipulate it against Kat to Aisha and be like, oh my god, Kat just said the meanest thing. And no one is buying her shit anymore. So she's like, now I'm going to do the biggest trick in the book. I'm going to pretend to be a nice person, you guys.

31:39Ben Mandelker: Which is all that they wanted from her. They're like, could you please be positive? And she's like, well, guess what? I'm going to be positive. But what they don't know is that secretly I'm not positive it's like yeah that's called being a human being that's called going out into the world and talking with people it's called going to a cocktail party yeah um she's and she's so

31:59Ronnie Karam: bad at it too she's just so insincere she's like um honestly joy like just just a moment like i know like this comes from the bottom of my heart okay like and my heart my heart is hot okay like people would date my heart so like i just want you to know that like you're like the best chef i've ever worked with and i've worked on carnival and you know like we've had our little like things or whatever but like i respect you it's so much like you're such a good person and you know i'm gonna take it with me just like how good you are i just hope you know that joy's like uh thank you she's

32:34Ben Mandelker: like what the hell is going on here did she get possessed by a zombie i love that the zombies for joy are very polite so jen is like she's like like you've just washed my you just washed my laundry

32:45Ronnie Karam: with all the dirty dish rags and labeled it Joy plus dish rags like yesterday.

32:52Ben Mandelker: But you are one of the best chefs. The way you handled me having a psychotic break was so professional. Thank you. Thank you for being you, Joy.

33:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I know we've had our little things, like me throwing all of your clothes in with dirty dish rags, and you had to walk around smelling like trash and armpits all day. But you're the best chef ever.

33:14Ben Mandelker: so then Jen tells us it's so hard to be a team player when everyone fucking hates you but I have to finish this charter season selfishly because I want to prove everyone wrong so I might as well play the little game of being a fake bitch if you can't beat him join him why not by the way

33:33Ronnie Karam: you haven't been a fake be this whole time we've seen you we've seen you doing it multiple times oh my god by the way like just so you know every guy has hurt me so don't do that to me oh my god i can't believe it when you told but i told you that every guy's hurt me i can't believe it didn't work if bravo

33:53Ben Mandelker: does not layer her into the below deck rotation they have lost the thread you know um on on regular blow deck which is coming up next uh on on the blue deck rotation um yeah rainbow was back and Rainbow was one of the it was a hilarious like on the edge of losing her mind and I think if Bravo were smart they would mix Rainbow and Jen together and see what happens that's what I'm going to advocate for

34:24Ronnie Karam: now that Rainbow's whole backstory was yeah my dad, me and my sister hated each other so my dad took us out by a boat to a deserted island and then just made us fight it out to the death. That's her big backstory. Rain be out. Rain be out. Or can't wait. I'm so glad she's back.

34:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's really good. And like her getting stressed and frustrated and hyperventilating late at night. So good.

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36:32Ben Mandelker: So anyway, back to Sandy's now talking to Aisha and she's like, hey, good morning, sunshine. How was last night with the baby? And she's like, oh, so good. And I heard that Nathan, Kale, and Joe weren't getting on. Oh, Lord. Listen, okay, everyone get together. I just heard some fresh tea from asia and it was it was hot tea the kind that the kind that that the kind that is so piping hot it's the opposite

37:10Ben Mandelker: what are you doing over there it's the opposite of norma's outfits every day it's the kind of tea that norma drinks alone because no one wants to have tea with her or do anything with her you know but anyway i'm using gay lingo right now because it turns out that tristan who's the ceo of everything gay literally every single thing gay if you if you recently listened to liza manali on an album tristan tristan controlled that if you've seen a penis

37:41Ronnie Karam: inside a male butthole. Tristan is the CEO of it. I'm telling you that.

37:47Ben Mandelker: Everything gay. Every single thing gay. He's the founder of Trist Hotels, which is spelled T-R-Y-S-T. You would think it would be named after him because his name is Tristan, but he put a Y in there. Why? That's why it's spelled that way. Anyway, what are we talking about? Norma.

38:05Ronnie Karam: It's like Tristan, but it's where people go to gay people specifically. Okay? He also owns the restaurant and bar you might have heard of. A lot of people get roofied there. Nobody knows why. Even Ronnie was roofied there 20-something years ago. Why? Nobody knows. But it's called The Abbey, okay? It's a village. Listen, it's a village of roofies that Tristan owns. And he also owns a place called Fire Island Pines. Yeah.

38:34Ben Mandelker: So if you see her riding by on her scooter, say, hey, I met your boss. No, you're thinking about Abby Lee Miller, not the Abby. Oh. Well, she's pretty gay, though, right?

38:46Ronnie Karam: I mean, she's a gay icon at the very least, so.

38:50Ben Mandelker: So we don't have to do a pyramid today? Okay, that's fine. The pyramid. We're joining Tristan as his fiancée. I'm a fiancée as well. I'm going to be married soon. I can't believe it. I just had a hint.

39:05Ronnie Karam: Aisha, stick to the iPad, okay? We've got 30 iPads. Let's make them work. All right. Well, he's got his fiancée, Melvin, and his boyfriend, Stephen, Lewis, Templer, Vitor, and Edie. Rounding up the group is his longtime best friend, Corey. He's the only one not getting laid on this entire trip. He says he only keeps Corey around to remind Corey that he is so hot that he has all these boyfriends and Corey has nothing. so you know make sure you do not hook up with cory um this i think wow this is gross just some old rich guy like i own all these guys and i would normally say oh you know it's like a poly relationship who cares you know it's like you aren't the first you aren't the last it's it's so gross to me because of how he acts towards the guys you know it's like oh yeah got you yeah i want you to spin around on my dick for a while yeah i own everything we'll give you a 401k if you fuck us he's disgusting and i don't know why i expected more from the founder of the abbey and the ceo of everything

40:20Ben Mandelker: gay but here we are yeah um i my question is does it count as polyamory if everyone looks the same isn't it just one guy well they're at my gaze holographically aren't they like holographically just like projected across the boat but it's just one guy right these are not like different people

40:45Ronnie Karam: are they that's this is the west that's how you can feel sometimes in west hollywood oh my god did you guys come out of a factory how do you all have the exact same teeth how

40:56Ben Mandelker: they have the same haircut they have the same facial it's the same body same face same hair it's wild and and gays do this all the time like like one of my favorite things it's like i i actually look down on it so much but i also am so amused by it is when gays date like mirror images of themselves and it happens all the time and it's crazy i'm like i don't know why it upsets me so much i mean whatever but like i just think it it's like come on like look at look at look at the look there's so many so much more to look at you know like i know i mean how i haven't married varus

41:38Ronnie Karam: from game of thrones is beyond me like i don't know how we haven't met in a mall and just like automatically fallen in love but yeah it's like something we make fun of but it's also something that gays aspire to you know what i mean it's like they all walk on like oh my god you all look the same how'd you get there do you use any workout apps is this glp ones are they implants what are you guys doing tell me how to do it you're disgusting it's really it's really wild

42:07Ben Mandelker: so um okay so tristan and the group are protein heavy and low carb but they do eat a lot which they should just they honestly should just open up a restaurant west hollywood called protein heavy

42:19Ronnie Karam: low carb and they had that calorie counting one for a while right by the abbey you remember that one it was like healthy and they put calorie counts on the menu and that's where all the gays would go you know because i lived in west hollywood for a long time the gays would go eat there in the day and then at nighttime they that's when all you're like how are these ice cream shops open in west hollywood where everybody looks like this and it's ice cream and burritos and bread and pizza that's what's that's that's the most hilarious part yeah watching at night everyone's

42:53Ben Mandelker: drunk and they finally like give in to the food that they've been wanting to eat all week long

42:58Ronnie Karam: girl the best time to be a chunky gay in west hollywood is 2 30 in the morning it's like suddenly everybody's eating with you and being nice like oh my god look at you two pieces of pizza i'm getting three like yes can all get along finally the following day two following breakfast they'd like to explore nearby lagoon for snorkeling and soaking up the sun and then on night two tristan would love to bring on one of his resident drag queens for a performance on board and most importantly tristan wants the crew to get in on it and do drag themselves also if anyone wants to grow a little beard and a mustache they can be his boyfriend um yeah exactly the winner the winner of the drag contest gets new teeth you're gonna be getting gay teeth congratulations

43:53Ben Mandelker: so uh Kaylee and Jen are making beds afterwards and Jen is like I think this season has been like a huge learning curve for me because like i know me joe and nathan have all struggled with this like the same thing this season like putting egos aside especially when you're like literally such a good stew like i am it's hard to put that ego aside and after i spoke to asia i was like i need to put my ego aside and like also learn to work with people but like it's something i'm going to try to change around totally fooled her you just got jenned you got jenned jen changing for the last two days

44:27Ronnie Karam: of a season is fucking hilarious. But good for you. Good for you. Stick the land in. She's telling this all to Kaylee, which I think you said. And Kaylee's like, oh. Kaylee's looking at her this whole time like you're looking at someone you don't want to talk to, basically. It's kind of a cringe face. She's like, well, thank you. That means so much. I really appreciate this, Jen. You know, I've always liked you. So I'm grateful that we can have this conversation.

44:58Ben Mandelker: Now what I just did there That's how you fake it Okay take some notes bitch Alright now

45:06Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Sandy Calling everyone for another meeting Last minute crew meeting Now listen this is an episode full of meetings Alright it's a final charter I'm so proud of you guys I'm so proud of you You know what we want to kill it Mostly like Think of it like this It's the last charter We want to do to this charter what Norma does to an average man's penis. We want to kill it. Okay? So most importantly, I want to say, even though I'm not around to talk to you all the time, I pick up on stuff. I do. I'm always looking. I'm always feeling things. Okay? Also, Asia just told me that Joe and Nathan are fighting.

45:46Ronnie Karam: But still, it was an instinct. And anything you guys have going on, work it out. Do your food.

45:55Ben Mandelker: Listen, I know I'm not around a lot But I pick up on things Like, I don't know about you guys I'm starting to get the sense that Joe's dad is a real octopus, huh? Right? Anyone else get that sense? I don't know

46:06Ronnie Karam: Sometimes Joe just needs to be hugged by eight arms Okay

46:13Ben Mandelker: It's a feeling If it's a misunderstanding or your feelings are hurt Just try to solve that Because when you walk away You don't have that like, you know, it's not, you're not carrying it with you. You know, it's like, it's like Norma when Norma, when she goes to the airport with a sheet cake and they say, ma 'am, that you cannot bring that on the plane. And she gets upset. And I say, but Norma, aren't you so happy? You don't have to carry that throughout all these terminals. She says, I guess so. It's like that.

46:43Ronnie Karam: Listen, guys, forgiveness is freedom and freedom is elastic. So donate some to Norma before you

46:50Ben Mandelker: go let's all be good people freedom is just another name another word for nothing left to nothing left to give but uh it's also the name of the lead singer of cnc music factory um so everybody dance now gonna make you sweat and if you're sweating you're working if you're working you're making a good tip okay everyone thanks hugs well i don't know if nathan and joe

47:13Ronnie Karam: will ever go back to being close friends like they were but i do know i'm done with allowing this rivalry to get so heated that's why i'm gonna sit back and hope they resolve it themselves

47:28Ben Mandelker: i won't allow this rivalry to go on one more minute i'm going back up to the wheelhouse and

47:33Ronnie Karam: maybe it'll work out it's not on its own yeah exactly i'm gonna go up there and stare at the screen until wind comes back on so uh now we go to the dock the guests are here and you know they're here because they're like yes i mean jesus as a people this is how we are and you know we would be the same way coming up this doc we're like oh my god yeah is that the boat oh my god it's not as nice as i thought it would be oh i'd be like that okay there is such gabby gays and i was cracking up like everything that comes out of their mouth is such a just like kind of fabulous stereotype and these guys are also living their best life i mean yeah they're all they're all like my luck

48:14Ben Mandelker: very nice people yeah was it and i said they all seem like very nice people and then they they come on i remember one of them was like oh my god this boat is so old wow this is ridiculous and uh tristan's like yeah it was probably nice when they first built it back in the late 1900s and so um jen weren't we all weren't we all great when they first built us you know but also you You guys are on a subsidized yacht trip on Below Deck for a reality show. Are you really expecting something from like Succession?

48:48Ronnie Karam: Your thirsty ass is here on a discount Groupon boat to be on TV with all of your – like I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it from you, Tristan. Like suddenly you have taste. And also all the bitching that they give about the food. Girl, I've eaten at the Abbey so many times, and that is some of the shittiest food on the planet. And I still go there. I still go there for my birthday and have happy hour there. It is not good food. And for them to be like, oh my god, what are they even serving us? Have you eaten at your restaurant?

49:17Ben Mandelker: First of all, I actually think the food at the Abbey is not so bad. Second of all, I just honestly, when it comes to like muscle gaze, the one thing I don't trust from them is like a culinary review. I just don't think that's their ministry. If they want to tell me like what's a good protein shake, they want to tell me like what are some good workout routines, what are the best gyms, 100%. They have total authority. but if they're going to complain about like the chicken i'm like you i don't i don't trust you it's like oh my god yeah you know what's a great restaurant fresh corn grill i'm like no no man

49:51Ronnie Karam: ma 'am no this is not just the dessert case at the abbey by the way is amazing so i will i will rescind that a little bit and also the not just are decent i command i do go there every year for

50:02Ben Mandelker: birthday it's basically mission star restaurants we have to admit it well it's just one of those

50:09Ronnie Karam: things where it's people kind of complaining about food and i'm i don't know it's just not like you're not from john george you know what i mean like you're from the abbey yes well stated

50:19Ben Mandelker: i also feel like like when you come on to a boat and you're like all i want is chicken breast to give me nothing but chicken breast and like man this is kind of bland it's like well you're the one who decided not to have carbs don't blame the chicken yeah now that all of that being said

50:36Ronnie Karam: joy really falls down on this one i mean you've got a group of muscle gays who are telling you we only want protein and then she serves them the biggest fucking sandwiches i've ever seen like oh pretzel roll oh are you serving them giant pretzels like what are you doing no have you met gays do you not have you from she's european she doesn't she she really does

50:59Ben Mandelker: not understand like west hollywood gay dining culture like what when it's like high high protein doesn't mean like you serve what you normally serve with a higher amount of protein it means chicken breasts chicken breasts yeah and nothing but chicken breasts nothing but chicken breast maybe some steak yeah yeah but it's usually just chicken so jen goes to the guests and she's like

51:25Ronnie Karam: oh my god you guys are gay well i'm jen like i'm the awkward girl you would hang out with at lunch you know probably make fun of behind her back like oh my yeah hi so good to see you oh my god you've you were always so good with giving me somebody to talk to during prom okay i guess we'll be nice to you she's like yeah i do really great with the gays yeah because you're probably carrying

51:46Ben Mandelker: their bags and shit you know i just like that she's like hi i'm from battery city park born and raised new yorker miss battery city 2019 i'm your late night girl so i'll be up with you guys i'm an adult too so i like to keep the party going i'm like are you auditioning to be on like blind date or something it's like an mtv or an afternoon mtv dating show like the one they got on the bus you know it's like so then tristan's like well these are all my boyfriends everyone but corey we just keep him along so that way he can be inspired to someday have someone make out with

52:23Ronnie Karam: him oh he's like the norma of the friend group he really is and melvin's like yeah tristan and i are engaged we met at the abbey of course he owns that and we met vitor a year ago in new york and he's just like oh congrats see you the newest addition look at that they know you know the life of a sugar baby does actually sound pretty bloody sweet i mean you've got this guy paying for everything and what you're going you're just gonna give him a little bit of sexy body every now and then if i wasn't getting ready to marry scott which by the way did you know i'm going to marry scott maybe i would be a sugar baby i'd be sugar babying around

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