#3566 Crappy Hour 10/05: Mayor Mauricio and Wendy Osefo’s Biblical G Wagon

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2:23Ronnie Karam: well hello and welcome to crappy hour i'm ronnie that's benin over there hello ben hi ronnie how's it going good welcome back to los angeles How are you feeling?

2:38Ben Mandelker: Well, thank you. No, you welcome back to Los Angeles because you've been in Texas for a little bit. So welcome back. Welcome back home. Welcome back to your West Coast home. How's it going?

2:49Ronnie Karam: Back in La La. So good to be here. So sunny and beautiful. Just chill. It's like, yeah. We just got back from our In The Mix tour opening weekend. Really good time in Kansas City and Chicago. Thanks to everybody who came out. We are going back next week. We're going to, not to those places, but to other places. October 17th, we're going to be in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Sunday, the 18th, we're in Detroit, Michigan. Then November 5th and 7th, we're in Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. Thursday, Friday, and Sunday, we're in Dallas, Austin, and Houston. Big Texas run. And then Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, December 8th, 9th, and 10th, We're in Nashville, Clearwater, Florida, and Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

3:39Ronnie Karam: And that's going to be for the year. But then in the new year, we're going to be in San Francisco, Salt Lake City, and Denver, and New York City. We've got so many places coming up. We're going to be seeing so many of you. Come get tickets at watchwellcrawpins.com. It's a website.

3:57Ben Mandelker: It's going to be great. I have to say, going on doing the live shows again over this weekend was so fun. And it's such a great experience. And I love being in a room full of people who are Bravo watchers. It's really great. It's fun to watch people make their friends. It's just great having people laugh, laugh at the jokes. It's a great energy. So for real, if you're able to make it, it means a lot for people to come out, to schlep out and see us. For us, it's a real thrill to be able to do it in front of people. but it's also really fun to see everyone else's really positive experiences. So for sure, like if you can make it to one of these shows, we don't want you guys to miss out.

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4:39Ronnie Karam: Do it. Hola, Ronnie y Ben. Como están? Muy bien, gracias. Thank you. Reading your comments here, both on Instagram and YouTube. What has been catching your fancy here in the Bravo world, sir? The Bravo headline world.

4:56Ben Mandelker: Bravo headline world. I have to say the thing that has been on my mind is the news that Mauricio is planning to run for mayor of Los Angeles. He's going to be running as a Republican. He has said, let's see. I mean, I want to pull up his exact quotes because I don't want to misquote something like this. because he basically said that he is like, I am definitely into running potentially for mayor. I've been thinking about that and talking about it for a long time. And he talks about how he's be running Republican, but he has some liberal social views, but he's financially Republican, yada, yada, yada.

5:45Ben Mandelker: My thing is this. I mean, as far as like reality stars running for office, Mauricio is by far like he's better in my mind than Trump and Spencer Pratt but like I don't want it I don't want it especially because you're a real estate developer and I don't feel like one thing that I feel like I'm feeling these days is like I don't know if I trust someone who's going to be getting in there like if you're really going to be in it to help the city or you're just going to be in it to help your listings and I know one can make an argument that like helping the city helps the listings. So he'd be motivated to help the city.

6:25Ben Mandelker: But I feel like he'd be just motivated to help the areas that his listings are in. And I don't know if he'd be interested in helping the whole city. So I am not into this whatsoever. I do not endorse Mauricio Umansky as of right now. What do you think about this?

6:39Ronnie Karam: I don't know. I don't know that we need this. And this article in USA Today says, Umansky, who is currently starring with his daughter Alexia on season five of fox's special forces world's toughest test i already did i don't want that i don't want my mayor on the reality show on fox is that so much to ask okay i don't want that he's been teaching and like possibly cheating i mean i don't know i don't know what this man yeah i don't i don't know that we need that unless we're gonna have camille grammar as his spokesperson i don't have any part of this yeah well you know his policy has always been yeah here to be financially but you know the homosexuals you know the sexuals penises like i don't know pieces i don't know progressive right it's progressive right but anyway the point is anyway the point is lower higher commission rates and lower taxes lower commission rates and and it's just so upsetting Yeah.

7:42Ronnie Karam: And his quote is, I'm definitely into potentially running for mayor. Okay. What does that sentence even mean? Yeah. Kind of commitment is that I'm definitely potentially maybe into kind of running for the thing of vote.

7:57Ben Mandelker: yeah i don't know i think if this were were like 10 or 12 years ago i'd have been like actually sounds pretty good you know i like the idea of a centrist something or another and you know like he is successful but at this point i'm i'm i'm no i've seen i've seen too much i've seen too much and i just don't trust that he would only be uh that he would that he'd want to really help the whole i don't think that he would want to help hollywood i think he would want to or anywhere I don't think you'd want to help anywhere beyond like Beverly Hills, Malibu, Pacific Palisades. And so I am 100 percent against this as of right now.

8:36Ronnie Karam: If you're going to be a DJ and a mayor, you need to be good at at least something like you. We've seen him DJ. You're not even good at that. OK, if you can't learn to work the pioneer machine, you cannot be the mayor. And that's that Los Angeles. I want a decent mayor. And I know Meredith Marks can't work her DJ machine either, but she's not running for mayor. So, yeah. So there, take it. Doa is saying if Mauricio has been cowardly to this day about his political leanings, then you can't trust his politics at all. It's a good point. It's like, oh, I'm out of the closet. I'm now a Republican mayor candidate.

9:15Ben Mandelker: it yeah i um i i don't want reality stars in my politics anymore for the time being unless it's going to be like um unless it's going to be really campy and gay like you know exactly yes it has to be can't be gay like it has to be a woman probably and you know the los angeles mayor's race have seen

9:41Ronnie Karam: a lot of crazy people running. Yeah. Angeline, you know.

9:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

9:47Ronnie Karam: Classic. Pro wrestler. I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger was our governor.

9:53Ben Mandelker: I know. We had Arnold Schwarzenegger. You know, and, you know, Luke L. Branson ran. I don't know if his campaign is suspended or not. I don't know what's going on with his campaign in Minnesota.

10:02Ronnie Karam: Was that Los Angeles? No, but I'm just saying. Yeah.

10:05Ben Mandelker: Just like reality stars. I mean, let's see. Mike Bowman says, can't be and gay like Sean Duffy's eyebrow son-in-law. Look, we're not trying to wade into politics here, but I am trying to wade out of more of the agency. We don't need the agency. For me, it's like, I think

10:29Ronnie Karam: your point about at least if you're going to run a star or something like that, have them be campy and fun. Mauricio's just not that. Okay? I would vote for Kyle over Mauricio.

10:40Ben Mandelker: I would.

10:41Ronnie Karam: I would mainly because you just try and pass laws into like Kyle can cook salmon day you know salmon Kyle will pass salmon grilled salmon laws that she won't even follow herself because I don't even think she still knows how to grill salmon she would just be one-upping every politician she'd be like oh really wow that's a nice oh that's nice business that you have there I actually had that before yeah I actually got that where'd you get that oh yeah I got I got it originally Yeah. I'm like, Kyle, could you pass some policies? What? But she's wearing the same dress that I'm wearing. Like, okay, Kyle.

11:15Ronnie Karam: You're wearing my dress. You're wearing my mayor dress. Texas girl in VA says he lost his primary. So I'm guessing that means Luke. Oh, yes. And Angelina is saying Luke lost in the primaries. Yeah.

11:30Ben Mandelker: I assume that Luke lost because he posted a video last week of him doing like CrossFit. I was like, this does not seem like a man who's on a campaign trail at the moment. that is a kind of an LA mayor campaign trail though at the CrossFit.

11:43Ronnie Karam: I mean, that would, that would sway me. I'm not that deep. I know. I liked one of my favorite platforms this week was Lisa went on a podcast. Um, and I'm sorry, I don't have it written down here. It's just living in my memory. And it was so funny. They're like, who do you think has the worst fashion on your show? And she's like, well, you know what? I think it's like Whitney, like some of her some of her outfits are just so bad and you know what I don't even want to be mean but I think it's like her personality is what cheapens it

12:18Ben Mandelker: but also the outfits let's be honest the outfits also cheapen it because they're just cheap looking but yeah it's true Lisa's not wrong on that front I'm going to say that much

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15:37Ronnie Karam: They've already released this info that I'm about to tell you, though. Wendy shows up in a brand new G-Wagon. It's gorgeous. Remember that Wendy and her husband are going to go on trial soon for fraud and face jail time, which is what the first episode talks about and uh so what do you do you know most people say if you're in trouble get a really humble nice outfit you just want to come in looking humble and nice like you would never do this and she's going to be showing up in a matte black g-wagon and i got i said good for you the stones on you good for she's trying to shoot the moon

16:17Ben Mandelker: that's what she's trying to do she's like no no no let me collect all those losing cards if i collect them all all the losing hands i'm actually gonna somehow win this thing and um i don't think this is a smart move even if you're innocent here's the thing you may be innocent and you may know you're innocent but the jury doesn't know you're innocent and you're not thinking about jury management have you never watched survivor have you never also just been in america and see how juries will probably just be stacked against you anyway because this country is racist you know like why like like part like you've got to play the part unfortunately so like yes innocent before proven guilty but don't be like defiant like don't be like strident and i would say this to anyone you know like if you're if you're facing crazy federal charges about insurance fraud don't get a g-wagon that's not don't don't don't do that don't do that get a toyota

17:22Ronnie Karam: she should have gotten a pre-owned chevy malibu yeah i'm yeah i mean you know it's just something a little a little more humble um but the best part is that she has named the car you know as people often do mm-hmm yeah some felicia's in my time that was my snake but also one of my cars Padma is my Kia. Your bike, your hog, your Vespa. Like if you're a manly man like me, name your Vespa something.

17:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

17:53Ronnie Karam: She named her. What do you name your car? Do you have a car name? Padma. Your car is Padma. Did you mean to get into the car? Wow. Beep, beep. There's something in front of you. Dummy. good thing you inflated the tires what happens if gail gets in am i right wendy has named her g-wagon psalm 91 so she's really going for it she's getting a g-wagon and she's naming it after a bible verse it's like i would never do this this is named at my car is named after Psalm 91, how dare you accuse me of sin?

18:38Ben Mandelker: It's also not a good name. At least if you're going to name your car, you name it after a person or you come up with a name, but Psalm 91 is just a concept. You can't do that.

18:47Ronnie Karam: If you're going to go that heavy-handed into it, just call it the Bible.

18:53Ben Mandelker: Just the Bible. Why don't you just name your G-Wagon Jesus Christ?

18:59Ronnie Karam: I've named my G-Wagon Christianity. No jury will vote against me.

19:05Ben Mandelker: Your honor, I arrived here in Christianity.

19:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Jesus Christ got me here. Yes, exactly. Just like Jesus Christ did, he took one little fish and one little loaf and got everybody a G-wagon. So I looked up Psalm 91. Let me tell you, this is not a concise verse. I think also if you're going to name it after the Bible, it needs to be like something short, like thou shalt not convict me. or thou shalt, I didn't do this shit. Something easy that we can all get behind. This is very long.

19:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so I'm trying to look up a nice little, like a little summary of what Psalm 91 is about because -

19:53Ronnie Karam: Oh, you got a summary of the whole thing. No, I'm looking for one. I'm about to preach it.

19:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, go preach it.

19:57Ronnie Karam: Oh, I looked up Psalm 91 and then I went to images because people love to put a religious thing into images so they can put it on their Instagrams. So that's how I found it. It's like a lion. Psalm 91. Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom I dress. And then it goes on like that. And I'm not even dissing the Bible verse. I'm just saying, if you're going to get a G-Wagon, this is too long. This is too long. Random lines. Lord is my refuge. If you make the Most High your dwelling, no harm will overtake you.

20:34Ronnie Karam: the most high is the G-Wagon. I don't know. I need more concise, different car. I feel like... Somebody needs to help Wendy. This is not going to go well.

20:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I feel like if you're going to name something Psalm 91, it's got to be like a wagon with some horses, like a horse-drawn buggy or something. Something from like olden times. I don't know. I just think like a G-Wagon, I'm not thinking Psalm 91. Like, don't name it after a Psalm that's the same number as your octane.

21:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Or name it like Revelations. Maybe a name of a book after the Bible. It's all going to be soon. You can't vote against me.

21:11Ben Mandelker: Why don't you just buy a Genesis? That way it's like covered.

21:15Ronnie Karam: There you go. Perfect. It's already been done for you.

21:19Ben Mandelker: Maybe the real thing you should name it is Exodus. As in what? You need to. Your career. Name it after your career. Exodus. Oh, my gosh. Numbers. maybe name it after numbers i don't know like i just it's just

21:37Ronnie Karam: sometimes you want to sound like a damn fur car one thing i will always respect in my reality stars and especially my real housewives is just not giving a fuck guts and i you know so i commend i commend her and this shit was funny too so good job to wendy i mean the delusion

21:58Ben Mandelker: is really off the charts and that is what we say we love on these shows it's just a huge degree of delusion and this is one of the most delusional boneheaded things we've seen on any housewife show which is someone facing down massive massive federal charges and like just leaning into splashy money spending i mean even jen shah didn't do anything crazy like this did she you know ahead

22:24Ronnie Karam: of her trial um no um she did lean heavily into you know kind of the religion thing once she was about to go and all of that stuff but um i don't know i you know good for you good for the guts i i commend you i commend you ma 'am and uh potomac is a great first episode so i'm looking forward

22:46Ben Mandelker: to that season coming up it's really good we watched it because we we almost recapped it because we thought it was on we thought it was premiering uh this past weekend and it's actually this coming weekend so we both watched it and we are of course under embargo but i laughed like the whole way through and there's like it's good it's like really like it's a juicy there's like stuff there's like lots of stuff to talk about so it's gonna be a good season um yeah and it was also so comforting to be back in potomac work so we are going to dc again and And what's so funny is going to Potomac is all the restaurants with their, like the brightly lit restaurants that also have like the lavender accent lights, like the Phillips Hue accents, like the Lisa Vanderpump accents.

23:34Ben Mandelker: And the reason why it doesn't look like a Lisa Vanderpump restaurant is that the Lisa Vanderpump restaurants are dark and have the accent lighting. But on Potomac, they're all bright and have accent lighting, which I think is so funny. Sort of like, by the way, my set. This is very Potomac right now, the set that I have.

23:50Ronnie Karam: the lighting I have you know you just need the um what are the pink blossoms called the cherry blossoms because they also have like Michael's Hobby Lobby um cherry blossoms pasted on every wall in every restaurant you cannot have a restaurant there unless you that they'll go to on this show unless there are cherry blossoms hot glued to a wall and doesn't it always feel like

24:14Ben Mandelker: every restaurant they go into has just like a pan-Asian menu. It's like you can get an edamame thing or some gyoza, but you can also get salmon with broccoli. I sort of feel like that's what every restaurant is they go to. Now, that's just based off of instinct, not actually any menu moments. I want to say, by the way, Dolphins Girl 2 says, I've never watched Potomac. You're in luck because it's starting up you all should watch potomac it is it is one of the elite franchises on bravo so and not only is it elite it's like very it has like a really strong lore to it you know where they're just things that come back from season after season and just makes it richer and more wonderful so i have to say like get on board with potomac you will be so happy you did so so

25:06Ronnie Karam: so so so happy but you don't also have to start every one of these shows from the very beginning to get it like you can start watching it now and then if you're if you get into it then you go back and you watch them all once the season's done you know it's fun it's fun every way yeah start

25:22Ben Mandelker: every way whatever order you go in yeah start with that's like it's not like game of thrones like you don't have to like know everything every sequence but you start with all of us on the current season and then like ronnie said then if it piques your interest go back and you will you We'll be very, very happy, especially that Potomac run of like season like four, five, six or so was really, really strong. That was when there was like the Ashley Darby Michael stuff. And then there was I don't remember what it was, but I just remember it was like crazy, crazy good.

25:55Ronnie Karam: That's always been a really good one.

25:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

25:58Ronnie Karam: Something that people are bringing up a lot in the comments is traitors. We obviously make fun of everybody on these shows. We've gotten a lot of people saying, don't make fun of Michael. He's a lawyer and he's an immigration attorney and helps fight ICE and stuff like that, which I commend. I don't think we said he was like a bad lawyer or anything like that, but we're still going to make fun of your sweater. I mean, no matter who you are. I don't know who said that, but I'm going to make fun.

26:28Ben Mandelker: If you're on the traitors, I'm going to make fun of you.

26:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

26:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah. If you're on the traitors, I'm sorry. Like, I love that. I love that that's what he's doing. I think that's amazing. It's tremendous. We also have a community theater, you know, director on the traders. I love that he's doing that, that people do amazing things on all of these shows, but I'm going to make fun of you. If you're going to, if you're going to be annoying, I think that Michael's really annoying. I'm sorry. You can do great things with your life and be really annoying at the same time. And I think that he is like cocky and I don't love when someone is really, really corporate, but then they wear a wacky sweater and then they think that they're fun.

27:05Ben Mandelker: I'm like, no, you're corporate. But like I said in our recap too, I also 100 % trust his recommendations for restaurants. And I think that's like high praise for me.

27:17Ronnie Karam: And he's also extremely entertaining on the show. And one thing the traders, we talked about this in last week's bonus episode, so I don't want to retread too much. But the gays this season are great. They have a lot of gays. And they're all very unique and almost all pretty funny. I mean, Michael's really funny. The community theater guy is really funny. There was a guy that I didn't know wasn't gay, but he's really funny too. Ned Flanders guy. He's not gay. But the gay representation, personality representation has been really strong. There's the cowboy gay who showed up as a cowboy, but then the next day he was like a preppy guy with glasses.

27:56Ronnie Karam: So he's got like different themes. The uncowboyed. Which I appreciate.

28:01Ben Mandelker: Yes. um uh by bumblebear i love by the way i love that name bumblebear 79.99 uh says the british celebrity traders is so top tier so i went on to peacock uh to download to watch it the new season but it's not on peacock yet or at least maybe i missed it so i started down i downloaded the the season one of celebrity traders i'm gonna watch that soon but i'm like working on my

28:24Ronnie Karam: sub stack and then there was a new season when did that oh yeah it had huge ratings i think it

28:30Ben Mandelker: like broke some record in england i also heard about what happened in the first episode apparently i guess correct me if i'm wrong i won't say anything but correct me if i'm wrong bumblebear but is the entire cast of season two all comedians because i feel like i also saw like a tweet somewhere saying that this was the most genius thing that they could have done because apparently it's like they're all being funny especially because they're british so you know it's gonna be really really funny but um i'm hoping that comes to peacock very soon because I would love to see that.

28:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the first season of Celebrity UK Celebrity Big Brother is beautiful. It's fantastic. I watched it in two days. Loved it. I can't wait to see it. So let me see here. Oh, Dolphins Girl is saying, I'm nervous because every live show I've been to, the coverage show was one I never watched or stopped watching. Dallas OC, Below Deck, New York, and Potomac are going to be running when you come to Fort Lauderdale.

29:28Ben Mandelker: Well, Salt Lake City. Well, what's interesting about that week is that those are midweek shows. So Nashville, I think, is on a Tuesday. I don't know. I don't remember the order. I think it's Clearwater, then Fort Lauderdale. So that's going to be a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So those are going to be like super fresh recaps. So at that point, Salt Lake City will be running. Southern Charm will be running. Southern Charm just dropped its trailer today while we were on our plane. We'll be doing a trailer trash that very soon, I imagine. And then, but we'll have Southern Charm will be on. We'll have Roni that'll be on.

30:04Ben Mandelker: So all these shows will be airing. And I'm sure one of those shows will be when you're there. But you know what, though? We always have fun with whatever show we do, you know? So hopefully that shouldn't stop you from watching Potomac.

30:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we haven't done many Below Deck. Have we done Below Deck?

30:22Ben Mandelker: We did Below Deck in Charleston once, very randomly. Oh. Maybe one other time. By the way, the season finale tonight, I guess it's already airing maybe on the East Coast, but it is so good. I loved, can I tell you, I loved this season of Below Deck Med. I thought the mounting tension between Joe and Nathan was really fascinating, and I love it's like this three-season arc. And I'm wondering, when are they going to find Nathan? Why have we not found Nathan? I feel like there's no urgency to find this guy. Can someone please find this Nathan? Someone in the world of yachting has to know where he is, right?

31:02Ronnie Karam: No, you know what? I'm getting used to just the disappointment of not having an ending to things like that. I watched The Death of the Pastor's Wife on Netflix, which was very well done. There was no definitive ending. I mean, you know what happens, but I'm used to like a Law and Order ending where it's like, I did it and this is why I did it or something like that you know like a Matlock ending and I've watched a ton of documentaries obviously they don't all have that but I'm getting so frustrated because everything I'm watching doesn't really have that death of the pastor's wife um the HBO max show which I really want you to watch at some point which is called a killer story it's about

31:44Ben Mandelker: you literally told me the entire plot of it why am I gonna watch it now well it's a documentary

31:48Ronnie Karam: I mean, it really happened.

31:51Ben Mandelker: You told me every single detail. This morning while we were waiting for our Uber, you told me every single detail. And it was great. No, I didn't. You literally told me every single detail of the entire documentary. So I'm not going to watch it now.

32:03Ronnie Karam: Oh. Well, it was very surprising to me because no one had told me about it while we were waiting for an Uber. I'm happy. It's one less thing I have to watch. So with this Nathan, no one finding Nathan, I'm like, well, I guess we just never find anybody. Where's the justice? You know, that's my question. Fucking asshole. That was a very long way of saying I agree with you. Like, where is the justice? I don't know.

32:24Ben Mandelker: I know. There's nothing. Well, because you know what? That's like the way these, that's real life, unfortunately, is that all these crimes and criminals never have any good concrete endings. But by the way, Casey says, I was so annoyed by the non-ending of the death of a pastor's wife. Do you ever get the sense that the pressure to put out these true crime documentaries is so intense that they just have to rush them out before they can really come up with an ending or before an ending naturally happens in real life?

32:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but they take years to make. So I think sometimes they're hoping like, well, something will happen while we're making it and ruffling all these feathers by asking everybody about it. Like maybe we'll figure it out. But, you know, ultimately, ultimately you don't. And the killer story one is really good just because all the characters in it are great. And the law, you know, the system of law and how unjust it was in this case is nuts. Like, there's lawyers up there just making shit up. And then they get called on it and they're like, were you lying? Well, I mean, I wasn't telling the truth.

33:26Ronnie Karam: Were you lying? Well, I mean, I didn't tell the truth about it. But who cares? It's just court.

33:35Ben Mandelker: It's wild. It's also wild how many compelling stories there are. Sorry, go on.

33:41Ronnie Karam: Arresting Bitch Face, love that, says, I love that you both haven't figured out yet that Joe from Below Deck has a liver-putting accent, not an Irish one. My Irish one is so bad, too. So it's like they're never going to be good for me.

33:59Ben Mandelker: I'm like, I know he has a liver-putting accent. Me knowing what his accent is and me actually executing it are two different things. That's the problem. Because I try to do Liverpudlian, but I just wind up doing some weird trilly thing where I'm like, I do that a lot. I make that noise. But that's how I get into it. It's like, I can't believe. I can't believe that Nathan, he abandoned me like my father abandoned me too. Like that's the best I can do. I don't even know what accent that is, but that's my closest I can get to Liverpudlian. I apologize to the good people who are poor. I suck at it.

34:31Ronnie Karam: But, you know, I can't do his accent, but I can't do his teeth that he puts together every time he's trying to be a good boy. I'm a good boy. I'm a good boy.

34:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he really, God, talk about someone who really failed upwards is Joe Bradley. Because, like, he really benefited from Nathan being a felon and a fugitive in two countries. that's someone who really benefited from that situation yeah you know sometimes timing is

35:04Ronnie Karam: everything i guess um for douchebags i mean that that show can be a race to the finish for douche bags below deck oh my god this one even has the return of luke lord i know oh god luke

35:19Ben Mandelker: how long before luke starts doing an only fans i feel like that's gonna be inevitable in his trajectory?

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39:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, at least a couple. Whoa. You know what? Everyone asks me how I'm so gorgeous. I do nothing.

39:26Ben Mandelker: I don't know. What? I do nothing. That's how I look good. Unlike my daughter, who also does nothing, but she stays out in the sun. And I always tell her, you can't be young in the sun, okay? And now she looks older than me. Sorry.

39:42Ronnie Karam: Did you see Avery posted something on her social that was like, hey, guys, I'm watching Real Housewives of New York for the first time. Isn't it dull? We all saw you watching this during COVID. Did that not count? That whole family is so fucking weird. I know.

40:01Ben Mandelker: I am really excited for the golden life. I think it looks promising and messy. I just really hope it's not a lot of fun and games. You guys know, I feel like I've become kind of prickly in my old age on this podcast, but I think it's just that I have standards, standards, because we've seen what works so well. And it's so annoying when you see producers sort of go to a bag of tricks that no one likes, but they do it because they feel like it makes for a good TV because like a development executive wants it. And so like, I don't want like a lot of fun games. I want like good social interactions, you know?

40:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that you've become more prickly. I think that just as we get older, we're more likely to say our inner thoughts, you know? Yeah.

40:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But I do get really annoyed.

40:51Ronnie Karam: I'm very upset with order menus at restaurants where you go up and you order on the big screen and people have to like type in their order and all this shit. Humans cannot be trusted with stuff like that. And normally I would just be like, oh, well, that's cool. You have a little screen order. But today it bothered me the whole day. And I think that's just a thing that comes with age where you're like, I will not let this go. I'm going to change these ordering screens because people are too stupid to be responsible to order their own goddamn thing.

41:15Ben Mandelker: And we have a platform and we have to use it. And I also just think that like on the, on the, like the network side, I think there are people who work in development and oversee these shows that have kind of developed some sort of like meta about this is what a show has to have to be good. it's like okay we need to have a fun and games like okay it's a reunion the second segment's got to be jokey and we got to talk about like you know how many times you like like stick your finger up your asshole and like let's have it we have to have a table game oh we need to have this and they they developed this thing that like you have to have these things and i'll take it beyond housewives i think if you look at big brother or um or uh what's it called or the traders it's like well, we have to have a competition because otherwise just people talking all day and the whole episodes, there has to be a competition.

42:14Ben Mandelker: And it's like, there does not have to be a competition. We do not have to waste 15 to 20 minutes of time watching people swim around a cold lake looking for little medallions. Like that's not augmenting the show. It's just hitting – it's checking off a box for some executive who thinks that's what the audience wants. But the audience doesn't want that. It's cool when those competitions can create some sort of mistrust or affect the game. I'm talking, of course, about the traders here now primarily. But it's cool when the game is affected by it, the social dynamics are affected by it. But it's not really guaranteed and takes up a lot of time.

42:57Ben Mandelker: And we'd rather just watch people talk back and forth and like weigh in on, oh, are they seeing something? Are they not seeing something? Like, are they onto something? Are they not onto something? That's way more exciting. But executives just have this idea of like, this is what has to be in a show. And so therefore, it's just where you're going to wedge it in there, audience be damned. And so I think we see that. Well, it's called a format.

43:16Ronnie Karam: I mean, God.

43:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, it is called a format. But like formats can be changed. And people think that they can't be changed. And so like we don't need fun and games.

43:24Ronnie Karam: They need to be added to because especially I'm not going to go into the big brother, but like especially like on Real Housewives or something, we have both of us have big friend groups that we hang out with all the time. And I don't sit around with my friend group like, oh, my God, you really offended me that time when you didn't give me credit for the thing that I said, you know, or whatever. We don't talk about our relationships. We talk about, you know, other people. Well, we do talk about other people. People talk about relationships. That part there or politics, you know, whatever we're reading and stuff like that.

43:53Ronnie Karam: stuff that you can't necessarily talk about on a real housewives show right it's like i get why

43:59Ben Mandelker: they will have the table games i hate the table games i get that they have them there to get something going and so i think if they do get something going i guess keep it in but if it doesn't get anything going i don't want to sit there and watch people pretending like they're they're being really provocative and they're not and then we just it doesn't lead to anything like We don't need to have that. And so in terms of like something like this.

44:24Ronnie Karam: It's just basically like a improv scene where they're like, okay, we're going to start with this and then you guys go off of it. But, you know, we do need more than that. Like remember for a long time it was like we're going to get like let's go get our vaginas frozen. Or for a minute there they had like let's get our buttholes waxed or whatever the hell they do on these shows. Or, you know, they have like – and of course I'm picking the grossest ones because those are the ones that have scarred me the most. but like the F marry kill or, you know, they do all that stuff or who's the bit. I like when they're not subtle at all anymore and they're just like, okay, everyone let's gather around and play a game.

45:01Ronnie Karam: Who's the biggest bitch at the table. Okay. You go first. They're not even trying anymore. They're just like, yeah. Who do we want to, who do we want to yell at today?

45:11Ben Mandelker: Exactly. And a lot of times we get the fun and games when there's nothing going on or they have a very compressed shooting schedule. And so they need to, they need to generate content because they don't have the luxury of shooting over like three months or something. And then over three months, you're inevitably going to find stuff, but like over one week, you, you won't. So then you, you get stuck with like really annoying things. And I understand that you have to do that to get your content, but also like maybe have a longer shoot time. And I understand like that costs money. It's like, well, it's way more complicated than me saying like, well then shoot longer, you know, but like for real, like.

45:49Ben Mandelker: You know, like you're not doing anyone a favor by putting in these stupid like, you know, like on girls, girls trip when they did some sort of when they were like playing beach games. Like that's not doing anyone a favor. Like that's not entertaining for anyone. We're watching that being like, when is this going to be over? When can we get to the good stuff? Which is we just want to watch the women interact. like we probably would be actually okay with idle conversation more than just you know uh bantering like people playing beach games you know i'm saying yeah yeah um at least new things

46:24Ronnie Karam: you know new games and new new things to get the scene going you know take a word from the audience something yeah um uh some questions in here uh are we covering still flipping out we're not covering still flipping out um not really because we're wissies about it we just have never really covered flipping out right we've done yeah like three or four episodes of that one we never did

46:48Ben Mandelker: the original flipping out the thing is with the with flipping out the tone of that show is actually like very much like a knowing like funny tone and so it's like weird to recap a show that's kind of jokey right like a lot of those scenes are people working and then it ends with them all erupting in laughter because it's like a funny moment that they all had so it's it's weird to wait in on it and um i mean it would be fun to make fun of like joey zazig because he's ridiculous oh my god i'm joey's dog or like a luann yeah like the new luann yeah i can't believe you didn't bring me a brand deal crystal like what like is it because i'm not flirting with you but it's like outside of that that i'm i personally feel like there's not much

47:36Ronnie Karam: for me to grab on to you know well there is a lot of shit to talk about it i mean that guy joey zasek really does cause a lot of problems on that show and you know jeff lewis shows are basically about like jeff jeff is you know he hires you and then he he divorces you in some way or he breaks up with you we don't know how ours is going to happen but it'll probably happen one day eventually you're sat down and told you're a piece of shit and you're out you know that's always kind of been the formula of jeff lewis's probably life and show so i don't know how ours is going to end but um it is funny watching it all these years later it's a totally different situation because he's not flipping houses all the time now now it's about his serious show and all the chumps and all the people that he brings in.

48:21Ronnie Karam: And so he's got so many people to like decide to hate eventually. And like just in the years of his shows, looking at all the people that he's been friends with and had on the show and then ended up not liking. I mean, that could have already been going for the past eight years or nine years or however long he's been doing it. So it is funny to watch it. And Joey is one who, you know, pushes it constantly and gets fired and told off in front of everybody at a table of 15 people and then probably eventually i mean he's back on the show so i guess eventually that works out because he's ultimately entertaining yeah so but it's also like it's uh yeah it's it's hard to describe like

49:02Ben Mandelker: it's a show i obviously i'm watching because it's on bravo i mean we are connected into that world as well we're literally going on to jeff lewis on friday go listen everyone but um it's like a it's like it's a very vignette show it's like it's weird you know what it's not really a campy show and like that's kind of the stuff that's like our bread and butter is when shows are like ridiculous and there's like stuff you can like really get in there and skewer um like that's where we like go to town and like it's like a it's like it it has like a different tone and vibe and it always has that's what the original flipping out like if you go back we only recapped original flipping out a few times and like we never quite were able to find our way in so

49:46Ronnie Karam: yeah like long story short it's a really strong show and all the people on it are pretty funny i mean shane is his well he's not new but on the show he's the newest um right hand man and he's

50:00Ben Mandelker: really funny jameson's really funny i adore jameson can i just say how much i adore jameson And also Doug, Doug is so sweet. Doug would be kind of funny to do a voice for it. When we went to Crystal's, Rob's birthday party, Rob of Crystal. And I brought some friends who were in from out of town. I was like, now, just so you know, you're going to meet some people. There'll be a guy named Doug you're going to meet. And when you meet him, he'll be like, hi, how are you? So nice to meet you. And then like they met Doug and he was like, hi, how are you? So nice to meet you. They're like, wow. That was really accurate.

50:39Ben Mandelker: Doug is so sweet. He's a sweet man, that guy. He's the sweetest guy ever. Yeah. But yeah, it's not hard.

50:45Ronnie Karam: Watching Crystal. I said watching Carol. What an ass. Watching Crystal on another show with someone just having problems. I mean, the Joey Zalzic thing of like, Crystal, like, you know, we're supposed to be such good friend and you're bringing Jeff Brandeels and not me. Why would she bring? I've never had a friend be like wow why isn't your why don't you bring podcast advertisers to my Instagram or whatever like what the fuck are you even talking about he's so fucking crazy and Chris was like what so I mean it's a fun it's definitely a fun show to watch you know there's a lot of crazy shit

51:19Ben Mandelker: the first episode was kind of like like just little scenes here and there but then the second episode which is going to be airing tonight you'll see is a bit more has a little bit more of a narrative flow to it and just funny because jeff is like now joey you're flirting with me and i don't like that and he's like well i want to flirt with you i mean that's what i like to do i mean you can't stop me from being me i'm just like a flirt so it's like it's crazy yeah you know you like me

51:47Ronnie Karam: we've like made out me and jeff like made out like we're into each other and it's like no you You need to protect my relationship. I don't like that.

51:58Ben Mandelker: By the way, TQC channel says Lisa Vanderpump, new Las Vegas show. Yes, this was, I forgot that they were even doing this show and just sort of arrived a three episode show to the opening of the Vanderpump Hotel. So that'll be interesting. it'll just be like a lot of you know it's gonna be a lot of lisa being so ridiculous like setting up some sort of crazy floral wall where she where she'll be like you know this thing in vegas is that people come for the gambling but they stay for the flowers you're

52:37Ronnie Karam: like no no that's not anything lisa the first casino with fresh pink roses every day i was reading the press release for that and it's like Lisa Vanderpump has been ruling over the Las Vegas strip for the past five years. Oh, come on now. You're pushing it. You're pushing it. Seriously. I'll be there. It is time to talk to you guys and have you up here and ask us whatever you want. Bring up whatever you want. So I'm going to leave a link in the comments here on YouTube. Come talk to us. Everybody on audio, Thank you so much for being here. We love you guys. Go get tickets for Watch What Crappens live.

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