#3576 RHONY S16E6 Part One: The Ex Friend Files

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1:18Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today for what should be a really, really interesting recap of Real Housewives of New York, it's Mr. Ronnie Karam. How are you, Ronnie?

1:33Ronnie Karam: Well, hello, Ben Oontoon. What you doing?

1:37Ben Mandelker: Not much. I did receive word that you have appeared in a document, HomeGoods Files. I would like you to explain yourself. Why are you listed in the home goods files so many times.

1:50Ronnie Karam: I barely know home goods. What are you talking about? I've seen home goods. I mean, I've heard of home goods. What is that? A place you buy home stuff at? What? I don't know anything. It's because I'm famous. I'm famous, damn it. I know everybody and don't know everybody. I know everybody and don't know anybody.

2:07Ben Mandelker: So Roni was a wild one. Don't Google me. Leanne Locken in the Epstein files. So So we're going to dive into a really crazy Roni episode. Before we do that, tomorrow, I mean, this weekend, we are going back to the Midwest, going to two of my favorite cities. And I'm not just saying that. I'm not just saying that to get people to come to our shows. I legitimately love Minneapolis and Detroit. And those are where we're going, Minneapolis and Detroit. In Minneapolis, we are recapping tonight's Salt Lake City. and then in uh detroit we're going to recap orange county those are two of the very best premium shows to recap for us so we really hope you're able to come and join us i'm looking forward to getting some detroit pizza i'm looking forward to i'm gonna play some i'm actually gonna play some board games in minneapolis i'm really excited about that uh but but come join us the world is crazy right now let's like have a moment of release and escape by just talking shit about Oh, bravo stars.

3:12Ben Mandelker: Come to watch what what happens.com. And then, by the way, don't worry. We're also, our tour is so big. We are most likely coming to your city as well. We also have Philadelphia and DC coming up at the top of November. Those shows are always out of control. Then we have a Texas Bonanza, Dallas, Austin, and Houston. And then we go to Nashville. And then we return to Florida for the first time in several years. We're going to Clearwater and Fort Lauderdale. And then in the new year, we have some of our classics, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Denver, going back to Charleston, Atlanta, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, Toronto, Boston, and the Golden Crappies in New York City.

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4:21Ronnie Karam: All right. Delicious.

4:24Ben Mandelker: Sounds delicious. Come for the tickets. Stay for the octopus. That's what I say.

4:32Ronnie Karam: all right well let's get into it uh today is real housewives of new york season 16 episode 6 whoa mosquito madness it's the episode we've all been waiting for the epstein files episode yeah um i you know the whole subject matter is disturbing and it's funny that in the real housewives show i left the episode thinking well wait a minute si was the one who outed somebody not aaron and then i went to bed thinking well i can't stand up for fucking aaron you know she's terrible too but si is the one who this was supposedly outed somebody i mean what the hell whose side do you even choose i know well by the way povet uh did a video this

5:22Ben Mandelker: morning released a video of him going to equinox and um you know like quote unquote outing himself It was a comedy video. Good old Parvitt.

5:31Ronnie Karam: Wait, does he really go? Does he really go to Equinox, though? Or was that just a joke?

5:37Ben Mandelker: I don't know if he really goes, but he was walking around Equinox, and then the person behind the camera was like, hey, want to meet me in the steam room? And Parvitt's like, can't go yet. It was hilarious. This episode was wild.

5:49Ronnie Karam: He's got a dad bod. That was my favorite part. He's like, your husband is gay. No, he's not. Have you seen his body? have you seen the way he dresses although he does dress well isn't that his whole thing that

6:01Ben Mandelker: he got into fashion um this episode was in my mind excellent i mean i really i'll do the internet thing we are so back i really thought this episode was firing on all cylinders this is what we want from a vacation episode we had lots of different things firing off in all different directions you have like real life pain which is psi going through her divorce you have physical pain which which is Aaron stepping on glass, which that will, I mean, that was amazing. You have crazy real world connections with Epstein files. You have, you also have another moment of pain, which aside, like, like breaking her entire leg.

6:39Ben Mandelker: And then, I mean, it just was like one of you have Daisy being kind of a shitster. Everything was sort of just like synchronizing beautifully to me. I was really sad.

6:50Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. John Gosling. John Gosselin guys I don't know if you've heard John Gosselin ruined my life okay there was that oh my god

7:03Ben Mandelker: let's not forget that yeah and there was the we had a messy glam squad person we also had let's also not forget you said Ronnie like oh I went to bed thinking I outed someone my takeaway was more like guys Aaron said the most disgusting awful thing about pop so disgusting i don't even want to say it it was just it was hideous it makes me cringe makes my entire skin come off i'm like oh my god did he murder someone did he like commit some horrific sin that would get him locked away he's gay oh the most disgusting hideous awful thing you could

7:40Ronnie Karam: imagine or say about someone it's very real housewives like oh no a husband might have had a dick in his mouth. Oh, I'll call the police.

7:55Ronnie Karam: I can't. But I judge a New York episode by a couple things. One, how much I laugh. I didn't laugh that much at this one, so I didn't get that a huge rating. But two, how much I don't agree with anybody on the cast. And that one worked. Because like, wow, I disagree with almost every person fighting. So, you know, I enjoyed it. Yeah.

8:18Ben Mandelker: I, for me, a good episode is one where it feels like almost every scene is advancing something forward, like a relationship, a fight, a disagreement. And I love when things build off of each other. One discussion in this part of the show impacts a discussion over here, over there, etc. I love like the drive by Jenna lionsing of this, you know, this feud that's happening. But, and I like, and this, I started to get worried when we started to settle into a fun and games moment at the end of the episode, I was like, okay, well this was a good episode, but now we got fun and games, bad tennis on Bravo.

8:52Ben Mandelker: The tradition continues, but even that did something. So I was really happy with it. Yeah. Okay. Well, good. Let's get into it. Yeah,

9:02Ronnie Karam: let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. So we're in Mosquito Island. And Jaisal is spraying something on her face and it gets stuck. And then a hole comes into the ozone because it won't stop spraying. And then Jaisal is just burnt out of existence. There's no more Jaisal. We never see Jaisal again.

9:23Ben Mandelker: My garden hose does that. My garden hose, I'll be watering my plants. And then I'll be like, okay, I'm done. And I release. And it's like, no. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep on letting the water out it sort of like very slowly comes to an end

9:37Ronnie Karam: that drives me nuts every time yeah buy ozone who needed you no one who cares about the ozone do you have a cabaret I don't think so ozone okay now we go into the kitchen and Daisy is wearing a face mask and bitching about how she has to make her own coffee she's like does nobody make my coffee? Does no one make my coffee? This reminds me of, I went to get my car fixed and they were like, okay, we're going to give you a car to drive while your car is being fixed. Do you mind a, like Toyota, I think it was like a Toyota Corolla or something. And I was like, okay. And they said, really? And I said, yeah.

10:17Ronnie Karam: Why? Is there something wrong with it? And they said, are you rich? And I said, no, no, I'm not. And they said, well, usually rich people don't mind what car we give them, but the people who are not rich try to get, you know, a Mercedes or something. And they're like, yes, like poor people are the worst when it comes to this. I was like, well, I'm not rich. So sorry, I guess I just don't mind a Toyota Corolla. Okay. I don't mind a Toyota to family and they're like okay and at first i thought what an inappropriate thing to say but then i watched this episode and i was like daisy's probably one of those people yeah you know so there

10:56Ben Mandelker: you have it people toyota corollas a temporary car for stealth wealth um no but you're totally right funny though it's that's hilarious but it's also like so ridiculous because ultimately you're just at someone's house like i would never be in someone's house and be like wait there's no one to make me coffee granted it's a palatial state and it's one of seven homes on its own private island and and there is a staff so you sort of i i get that feeling of like it's well there seems like there's a staff so no one can make me coffee but i just feel like it shouldn't be expected the way it should be at like a restaurant or a hotel but like it's still ultimately someone's home and there's a coffee machine right there and i just can't imagine being on camera saying there's no one to make me coffee that being said thank you because this is what i love i mean this is what I've been wanting for, I hate to be all soapboxy and everything again, but that's not going to stop me.

11:52Ben Mandelker: This is what I've been wanting for two years. And when I see people complain about Daisy, like she's such a snot, she's stuck up. I'm like, yes, a hundred percent. There's no disagreement for me. And that's exactly what I've been wanting. This is what I want. Someone who is not self-aware, who doesn't understand that they're being a total brat. Like this is what we tune in for. So I was like, wow, you are so entitled. Never change. I just want Martha.

12:18Ronnie Karam: That's what I want. I want Martha, not Daisy. We got a little of her. That's it. And I feel like I've been abandoned by the person I really want. And then she just keeps showing up on the phone. And I'm like, you're the one. You're it. Cast. You're cast. And then we keep going to her makeup lady. And I'm just, I don't know. I don't hate Daisy. I think Daisy's trying. You know, she's trying to do the housewife thing. I like Daisy. I like Daisy. But I just, give me Martha. That's what I say. yeah and also just another note you know it's not like you have to have a certain amount of money to complain it's not like we ever do i think it's like the first time by the way did you see we got an upgrade to first class on something because you have very high points so it was our flight

12:58Ben Mandelker: from minneapolis to detroit so for one hour one hour of power that's what we're having and the

13:05Ronnie Karam: thing is you get upgraded one time and then the next time you fly and you go into coach you're like god this is awful having to sit in coach i remember my days in first class you know so it's not like you have to have money to complain i think it's more the uh i have access to martha so i should have access to all of this other stuff and it's like no and she's mentioned that

13:31Ben Mandelker: she's mentioned that sometimes she forgets but like right here she says i mean what are marriott's four stars i mean it's a great marriott i mean people are gonna think i'm a fucking spoiled brat but like bon boy i was like oh good one make it make it a pun of their loyalty program

13:48Ronnie Karam: what am i supposed to stay in my hyatt place were you trying to put me in my hyatt place

13:54Ben Mandelker: marriott's are not four star are they uh i think they are i think they're four star but daisy let's not act like you're above a red roof in okay um so so anyway red popcorn ceiling in yeah exactly

14:15Ben Mandelker: so anyway daisy goes outside she's wearing this mask i think you mentioned and she's had to suffer the indignity of making her own coffee in the morning with the machine that's right there and so she facetimes martha and martha's like happy easter it's like happy easter i just want to show you the house hold on and um martha's like wow it's beautiful i want to be there and i just i love that like the people that's really the wealthy people on the show are sort of toyota caroling it a little bit because they're like carol martha they're all just like this place is amazing how beautiful what a lovely how lucky are you to be there right now you know and daisy's the one who's complaining with the popcorn ceilings.

14:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Martha's making a big giant egg because it's Easter and she's like, oh, Jockey Torres made me a giant chocolate egg. Look at it. The kids are just going to love this. I mean, it's everywhere around here. You know, we're searching for eggs, sort of like you and your house, but you know, in your house, you're searching for change in couches and stuff like that. But you know, it's a similar vibe.

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18:24Ben Mandelker: So Martha does indeed have an enormous chocolate egg. And Martha is now dealing with the existential crisis of, I mean, like, how do we even open that? We don't even know how to open this egg. It's just so huge. I mean, this is going to take an all-day affair.

18:43Ronnie Karam: Got a lot going on there. So we see her Instagram post that she made. Yes, that is a giant chocolate egg. It was made by Jacque Torres. It's so heavy, so fragrant. We vow to break it and share it with everyone at the farm. If we figure out how to do it, if we just figure out how to break this egg, this is going to be rough. But I'd like to thank Jacque Torres for making this for us, this egg is by Jacques Taurus. Thank you. I've got your hand off my head. There are children in my house.

19:16Ben Mandelker: Oh, well.

19:20Ben Mandelker: Get off my egg! So Martha is like, well, what's that brown stuff on your face? Oh, someone gave me this mask. Apparently you can get a mask but not a coffee around here. Oh, well, it's not attractive. Take that ugly stuff off your face. She's like, yeah, it's actually burning i'm scared to take it off i don't know what's underneath it i'll tell you what's underneath it poor poor is underneath it very poor face is underneath that mask um so then

19:48Ronnie Karam: we go to the kitchen and hayley comes down and she's like hi sabrina who's the lady working there she's like oh hi how's your morning i thought you know everything's so nice here i'm so high right now you want to do a bump of marijuana i'm wacky

20:10Ben Mandelker: yeah it's crazy this is what i do hey i'm not wearing any panties right and so sabrina just looks at the camera like am i am i allowed to laugh at this what am i supposed to do

20:21Ronnie Karam: can i not be on camera right now sabrina just cracked up the whole episode she's like today Today was the day to come to work. So then outside by the water, Jessel joins Sai, and Sai's like, what did I miss last night? Um, well wait, when did you leave? It was very long and very dramatic. Well, you know, you got cooked, you said your outfit, they said that your outfit was shin. Heh, that was pretty good.

20:46Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm wearing head to toe Driesva Noten, and she better not come for my fucking outfit today because this shit is couture. I fucking swear, Sai. and then out on the balcony uh carol daisy and aaron are sitting outside and carol is trying to soft launch her reputation repair and she's like wow oh my god the wind's blowing up

21:08Ronnie Karam: my skirt wow if you google wind you would learn a lot almost like if you google me wow is that a transition to a topic well i hope it doesn't blow up my skirt because i'm not wearing panties i'm wearing tube socks

21:27Ronnie Karam: did i miss any tea from last night because i heard some heated discussion with jessel again if you google it the way you would google me you would find out the details have you ever googled me guys and aaron's like yeah she's like googling me like trying to see what she didn't dig up well it's not cool it's not cool it's like the meanest thing you could ever do to somebody like google them? Like you're Googling me? That is so mean. No one has ever been this mean to me. Well, let me tell you if he's Googling me right now, it's a fucking shit show. Would you like to ask why?

22:05Ben Mandelker: They don't ask at all. No one asks.

22:09Ronnie Karam: Instead, everyone actually just leaves. I'm sure they've all read it. You don't even have to Google it at this point. It was all over the place. And so I think they're like we're not supposed to talk about this but Carol keeps hinting so nobody takes her bait and her breakfast is delivered and the minute I saw it I knew it was a problem because it's an omelet and we know from watching the show that Carol does not eat an omelet I didn't remember exactly how obnoxious her egg order normally is but we see a clip of it and she's like okay can I have one egg that's hard boiled but then two eggs that are scrambled but then can i have the scrambled eggs not touching the hard-boiled eggs because i want that one hard boiled so i knew this was gonna be yeah i had totally forgotten about her egg situation and

22:59Ben Mandelker: what was funny is she gets the heart she gets this omelet but she doesn't want to be a bitch so she doesn't send it back or anything but she's clearly disappointed and like a little bit later we see that she actually is like trying to force a scramble state upon it because she just starts chopping it up which is such an odd thing to do like a post post cook omelet i'm post cook scramble i've never seen someone do that before but like her commitment to like getting her perfect

23:26Ronnie Karam: egg state was commendable i would say yeah without bothering anybody um yeah and she tells us i'm picky when it comes to my eggs and my men i like them both to be extremely young and fresh Google me. Oh, that was a line I wanted them to use in the opening scene of the season when I was sitting in the windowsill typing like a journalist with a sassy personal life.

24:01Ronnie Karam: Erica goes hiking with Aaron and Aaron's like, what? Son, I see you brought us here. It's only great. unfortunately this island has google which people are using against me and it's just so mean it's just like so mean and eric is like okay well i just wanted to like clear the air and tell you that you know we were discussing you but like it was fast like it was no big deal like we talked about renovations and like that's all the insurance fraud thing it was like a 10 second joke it was a

24:29Ben Mandelker: joke there was many vicious yeah and um i i love that erin is like being so nice about this island when the day before she was being really mean about it like behind closed doors and also like the whole idea of like also getting so mad at erica when we see actually the clip and erica was the person who who yes and did that joke the least she just was like oh my god she's like laughed it It was Daisy who sort of expanded upon it the most. So that's sort of a funny thing. But either way, Aaron's kissing up to Erica because, you know, Erica is at the end of the day the one who has the non-flooded second house.

25:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Aaron needs some friends, you know. So she'll be fake and lie all she needs to, as we see throughout this episode. So Sai and Jaisal, we go back to them talking. And Jussel's like, oh, my God. I was just like, is it an insurance thing? Wink, wink. Like, you know? You know, so when you joke about people, you know, doing insurance fraud, it was just one of those. It was a joke. It was fleeting. And I know Erin, you know, she's sensitive. And maybe I shouldn't have gone there because now it's going to be five years of Erin crying to me about how I hurt her feelings. Oh, God. You know, I think she's just going through so much.

25:53Ronnie Karam: her flooding insurance they didn't have any personal property insurance so she can't even

25:58Ben Mandelker: get any of that covered and jessel's like what and we see that erin tells like tells si that like personal like she got her like all the clothing and art and furniture is not covered and jessel's like dumb how does this stuff keep happening to someone who's married to an attorney like i would fire that guy ha ha ha ha ha babe the babe will not be happy about that property insurance separate

26:23Ronnie Karam: than regular insurance? I think that's something you just check off in your insurance box. Do you want to cover personal property? How much is your personal property? I mean, that's really cheap if you just say, no, just cover the roof or whatever.

26:38Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I honestly am not surprised that there was this gotcha moment with an insurance company because if you think about it, insurance is too good to be true. Oh, you lost something precious. Don't worry. Some company will just pay you back. I mean, obviously you've been paying for it and everything, but insurance companies are famously always trying to not do the thing that we enlist them to do, which is like, hey, I'm just going to pay you on spec for years and years and years of my life. And then when I call upon you, you're supposed to like help me out. And they're like, well, we'll cover.

27:09Ben Mandelker: We saw you had a spatula. We'll cover that. Everything else, I'm sorry. We just can't help with it. The coverage only goes up to spatulas. Yeah. Yeah. They're always going to give a loophole where they can get out of it.

27:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then back to Aaron. Aaron's like, oh, yesterday when I was confronting her about it, she was like, she made a mean face. And so like, I'm confused. And she said, no, I didn't mean it like that. You know, if all she said was like, I didn't mean it like that, then I wouldn't have taken myself seriously. Then I hear she's been after me for four years. I mean, seriously? You have been after her for four years. What show are you watching?

27:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And also you would not have been chill if Jaisal said, it was just a joke. Because Aaron is the most self-serious person there is on Bravo. So then we see a flashback of the night before and Jaisal is pretending to be emotional and saying, Like, I mean, she's done it for four fucking years. I'm done with it. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, if someone's constantly going around talking smack about you to other people, like, I've had, like, enough. Does this sound like I'm crying? Does this work? Is this crying sound?

28:25Ronnie Karam: So Aaron's like, I haven't been after. You know, like, I've had opinions, like, the same way we've all had opinions. Okay, well, their opinion was that maybe you caused your – maybe you were doing insurance fraud. It's just an opinion. What are you so mad about? Everybody has them. And you know what? Cy has had such derogatory things about her and her husband, and she's buddy-buddy with her. Like, she has no problem. Like, she's always got a problem with me, but I'm not with Cy.

28:57Ben Mandelker: And Erica's like, yeah, Jess and Aaron just aren't compatible. they can make up and say sorry a million times but in the next 10 minutes a new issue is going to arise so the producer um is saying why do you think that is and she's like i mean jess is one of my best friends so i'm never gonna put the blame on jessel so sorry team jessel um which i liked yeah i love that they make up and hug yeah i was just gonna say i love solidarity well i love that like erin is erin who spent the past two years sort of being the ringleader they sort of the cast are like the center of the show now she's pretty much the villain and they all are like frustrated with erin the way that the audience is and that's like a really nice feeling

29:36Ronnie Karam: yeah and she's like well i guess i believe they were joking like maybe you know some jokes are better than others and then they do a rim shot for some reason but i appreciate thank you alfredo But I appreciate the apology

29:54Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry I thought that was I thought it was a funny thing that they did that Because she basically was making a bad joke About how people make bad jokes But also, I don't know So you just mentioning it again made me laugh But also I liked you saying thank you Alfredo You are welcome Alfredo is on loan to you Aaron

30:13Ronnie Karam: Also back to Sian Jessel God damn it Alfredo So now we go back to Sion Jessel And Sion's like You know what I got my own issues with Aaron Okay you know first of all I got a text this morning It's Jenna Lions? Yeah She's learned to text Yeah she did it Are you sure it wasn't a handwritten letter? I've never heard of this No it's a text And she's like hey you okay just wanted to check on you Because I heard you left your husband And I didn't hear it from Aaron But I heard it from someone who knows Aaron So what about that? But I'm not going to tell you who it is because I don't want to get them into trouble.

30:50Ronnie Karam: But Aaron told somebody, so you better watch that, bitch.

30:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And I love that Jenna Lyons, out of nowhere, comes in and stirs up shit. So now Sia's really mad because Sia's like, how do you know?

31:07Ronnie Karam: How do you know? What? So Aaron told someone, how do you know all these things? Like, what gives you the right to tell people about my goddamn marriage when I'm about to talk about it on TV to the entire world? You got to let them tell people before I tell people. And that has something to do with my children. These are my kids. My kids are involved. And I'll be damned if anyone talks about my divorce where my kids could be impacted on a public platform. I can't believe it.

31:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's kind of where I stand with it. I mean, you've been shooting this show, what, for two months now? How long? A month and a half or so? And you've been talking about it the whole time. I think probably everybody knew. I mean, you move to a new place. Your husband's not there. I don't know. I think Sai makes it – I think Sai's making it too big of a deal that people know about my separating thing.

31:59Ben Mandelker: I'm empathetic to – yeah. I'm empathetic to her. I think when people go through these terrible life moments, they're just sensitive. They want to have some sort of control over a situation. They want to, you know, they just, it is a very disorienting thing. I imagine I've been privileged to not have to deal with this, but from what I gather from other people who dealt with divorce or anything that's really serious, you are like discombobulated. And so I think there's, I have to imagine there's like an element of like, you just, you kind of want to control a narrative just because it's like something you can control.

32:36Ben Mandelker: I, I'm not a psychologist, but this is what, it sounds really good. I feel like when I'm saying it. And I can imagine that that's what she's going through. Because realistically, you're saying it on TV. It's all out there. So the logic doesn't line up. And I think she's just sensitive right now. And I'm not saying that's a pass. But I'm trying to understand why she's so, so mad. But whatever. I accept it. I love Cy getting mad at Aaron. Let her be mad at Aaron. I don't need to question why. Just go for it. Lean into it, Cy.

33:12Ronnie Karam: Well, she was swearing up and down. She would never tell my business. Hail Mary, up and down. And full of shit, Aaron. You're full of shit. You're full of shit. Oh my god, that's just so fucked up. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up.

33:27Ben Mandelker: So we go back to the balcony. And Haley, Carol, and Daisy are sitting around in the wind. And Haley's like, Not for nothing. When you Google any of us, We all come up together. So let's hope no one gets a mugshot. Because I swear to God, if you have to see a mugshot, and then under that mugshot they talk about your relationship with John Gosselin, a very relevant tabloid figure, oh, it's the worst.

33:54Ronnie Karam: I hope no one gets a Gosselin shot. That's what I got. Google me. The Gosselin shot. Ruined my life. And Daisy's like, well, I mean, look, some people are only going to look at the bad. No one's going to be like, oh, she graduated from this high school and college. No, they're digging for dirt. Yes. That's what we should all be doing. I wonder how educated Kelly Clarkson is. I'm going to weigh in on that before I weigh in on this fight she's having with a store owner in Brooklyn. By the way, that has been my favorite piece of gossip in a long time. Kelly Clarkson going off on some little weird shop in Brooklyn that wouldn't sell her singing fish for$15 ,000 or something.

34:35Ronnie Karam: She's like, how dare you? I'm Kelly Clarkson. And then they're like, how dare you come from a small business, a small innocent business in Brooklyn who's selling$15 ,000 singing fish? Just us, one of the people.

34:50Ben Mandelker: I know. Let me tell you something. I watched the security footage. Did you see the security footage? Kelly Clarkson. No, I didn't see that. it i wish you could hear the audio on it you can't it's just kelly clarkson walks in with a little baseball cap and this bright yellow shirt which by the way i love like i'm i am an international celebrity so i'm gonna wear a cap so that way people don't see me but i will also wear a bright yellow shirt the color of tweety bird so she walked in and um you see her you just see her having this conversation and whatever happens like it seems like it's a benign conversation you see the store the clerk talking to her and he has like a smile on his face and uh then he like walks away and then all of a sudden she like goes she's like she's everything that she's about to buy she puts back on the shelves and then you see her she's like goes to the doorway of the store and then she like leans forward and tells she starts telling someone off like she's definitely having her big mistake huge moment and then she walks out it's great i mean i'm gonna always be on kelly clarkson's side she's kelly clarkson she wants to buy a goddamn bird she can buy a goddamn and murdered.

35:49Ben Mandelker: But I do feel bad for the store because they are getting docks in there and people are being so mean to that store. I mean, it is fun to punch down on hipsters and hipster stores, but it's enough already.

36:03Ronnie Karam: I'm not even taking sides. I'm just cracking up at the whole story because neither one of them, they're acting like she went into a dollar store and told somebody off for no reason. And she went into this place that's selling like a$15 ,000 puppet bird or something like that and he's like oh the small business of it all but also it was crazy that kelly clarkson even cares about that you know it's like was kelly just having a particularly bad day that she's gonna go tell millions of people to be mean to this store i don't know something's

36:36Ben Mandelker: going on over there i'm just happy when people use her platform for good you know and so like kelly clarkson she finally weighs in on something and she just well no she weighs in on a lot of things but she but i love that this is the thing that she decided that she was really gonna like get into a tizzy about and um you know i have to imagine that there was a discrepancy the guy the guy probably was like yeah that's fifteen thousand dollars like i know it's crazy like here's something that's like not as wildly overpriced as that that's what i like to think i like to give people the benefit of the doubt uh and kelly is like i'm kelly clarkson if i said that I'm interested in a$15 ,000 robotic bird.

37:12Ben Mandelker: You better sell that to me." Which I think that she should say that too, because she is Kelly Clarkson and she's earned that.

37:19Ronnie Karam: She's just spent such a long time creating this really goody two shoes image to kind of throw it all away on this. So I don't know. You never know how it's gonna happen to people when they're gonna just finally lose it and their image is out of there. Because it's funny seeing people react to it online too. People are like, fuck Kelly Clarkson. I was like, who's ever said that? I don't think I've ever heard that before. Like normally it's like if Dolly Parton, well, I guess she's not on Dolly Parton levels yet, but she's very nice. You know, oh, I'm wearing a Dolly Parton shirt today. Look at that.

37:51Ronnie Karam: But she's just very nice. She's always come across it. I mean, even her husband, like her husband cheated on her with her personal assistant, I think. Right. Wasn't it her assistant? And then she still had the assistant come to the funeral and was like really nice to her and stuff. and people are like kelly clarkson is a saint fast forward to this not being able to buy a cartoon bird off a wall and everyone's like kelly clarkson burner at the stake you know quite frankly kelly

38:19Ben Mandelker: clarkson has has really like everyone loves kelly clarkson i do believe everyone loves kelly clarkson and like to your point this is ultimately a twee hipster game store with probably a lot of overpriced tchotchkes and gifts and um like yeah that was pretty good target for her and she spent she spent all these years being nice and i think that she's kind of like i i've worked so hard i've been so nice i could have been a so many times all i want is a motorized robotic yellow bird that's all i want and you're not gonna i've worked so hard as a celebrity to not be problematic to not stick my foot in my mouth to not to not make enemies just to be your friendly local singer who can sing the song from k-pop demon hunters in its original key and i can't even buy a bird you won't even sell me

39:15Ronnie Karam: a bird fuck off well i think it's just how they treated her like they she said they were just really snotty with her and looked down on her and then there wasn't even a price tag on the bird but then kelly had taken a picture and there was a price tag on the bird and then people were like she added that with AI. And she's like, I did not add it with AI and another thing. And then the shop is like, poor us. It's coming after small businesses. And she's like, oh yeah, really? Got it. Got it. Got it. She was like, Riley from Below Deck. Got it. Got it. And she like came back at them again. It didn't have it.

39:48Ronnie Karam: And then he went and did this big interview. Well, big interview. I mean, I'm a side video of him. Yeah. I was like, come on. You can tell this guy's a asshole too so i just love the whole fight so thank you internet for giving me that but also

40:01Ben Mandelker: i don't i just have to say it's a little bit on kelly clarkson she's like guys i went to an esoteric store in brooklyn and they gave me attitude i'm like kelly i mean it's all there in the sentence brooklyn before you went to brooklyn to an esoteric toy shop i mean it's right there it's like oh my god i went to starbucks and they served me coffee i can't believe it i love you kelly but like you know oh yeah it's it's you went to brooklyn like that's part of the experience it's like when you go to those restaurants that are like intense they're intentionally mean to you it's part of the experience that's like what you go for when

40:42Ronnie Karam: you go to like an upscale hipster place yeah and it's not even that you're poor they just can see that you're not from brooklyn you know they're like oh look at this bright yellow t-shirt yeah She wasn't hipster at all. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't poor shaming. It was non-hipster shaming. She looked like a tourist. So anyway, thanks Internet for that. Commercials. Here comes one right now. He lurks in shadow. He slips into dreams. He casts no reflection.

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43:17Ronnie Karam: New members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash WWC. We're still on the Google thing. And Carol's like, well, no one has to dig very far with me because I think page one of my Google search is insane. All the headlines are insane right now, Carol, about you being on the Epstein files. And I like that she just keeps saying Google when it's right there. A lot of people online are like, why would Carol even come up with this information? Why would she put herself through this? What a hero. Because it's all over the news. And she knows she's on Housewives. And they're going to come for her.

43:57Ronnie Karam: Exactly.

43:58Ben Mandelker: And, you know, Carol's whole thing is like, I keep it real. so i think she's like it's gonna come out let me show people i'm not afraid to talk about it and also show how like i think it's kind of ridiculous it's like it's a little bit of a witch hunt you know my name gets put in there i mean so what i have like 10s and 20s and 30s of photos of me with one of the ringleaders of this sex ring and sex trafficking ring like it's just a mere coincidence so i think that's like the vibe she's trying to put out there and i think i think she's largely successful until Psy comes around and then she has some hiccups there with that part of the reframing of the narrative.

44:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so no one really gets what Carol's, they're pretending to not get what they're talking about. And Haley's like, well, yeah, but if you Google me, it's not good either. And Daisy's like, not like hers. Okay? Like, I mean, you know, Google Haley. You Google her and it's like, she's like, shut the fuck up. And Carol Carol says, are you kidding? Daisy, if you Google me right now, it says that my name is in the Epstein file. Okay? My name, Carol Radswell. She's like, what? Why are you talking about that? I thought we weren't going to talk about that. I talk about it. But you know what? I never knew Jeffrey Epstein.

45:13Ronnie Karam: I never even heard of him. Glenn never spoke about him. Okay, Carol. So, you know, the rest of her story is, well, I'm very famous because who I was married to. And, you know, when you're famous and you're rich, you're in circles with these people. Oh, OK. But you'd never heard of Jeffrey Epstein. Come on. I don't. I don't know that.

45:34Ben Mandelker: For the record, I do not believe that Carol was part of an international sex trafficking ring. I just really don't believe that. But I do think that she's trying to create some separation here. And it's not totally working. I believe she obviously she knew Ghislaine. she probably had met or knew of Jeffrey Epstein at some point because as much as Carol talks about Ghislaine being a social climber, Carol is kind of a social climber too, she's always doing like the cool hip thing and I think they all just were like in this crowd with many other people and they were all around each other and now they're all just trying to be like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I didn't know that person it's very Greg Gatsby actually

46:13Ronnie Karam: yeah and she's trying to be like yeah well you know I barely knew Ghislaine what i mean i just kind of knew her maybe i mean i knew her a little bit but this is kind of what she did to tinsley too and with bethany where she was like well we probably i barely even knew you i mean we knew each other but we weren't friends and they're like what are you talking about we're not friends so we've seen carol do this a lot i'm not saying you know that she's like pulling the strings in the jeffrey epstein you know human trafficking organization either but if you're going to talk about it you should probably be a little more honest you know like i was friends with her i had no idea this was going on i feel so betrayed or something but being like i barely

46:57Ben Mandelker: knew her i mean i felt like she did sort of hit those notes one of my issues as we get into it is that like you know i you know i think we all appreciated that sigh was asking tough questions but then it also became i feel like carol got a little sidetracked by it and then it became about like why are you being like this side and i just kind of wish like that that carol could just say it all and i feel like there was still stuff that i mean so i was asking questions to find out more information but it was and i guess daisy deserves some um heat for this because daisy's the one that's like whoa take it down a beat take it down a beat anyway we'll get into it right now so daisy um so so carol is talking about this like i never heard i didn't know jeffrey epstein i never heard of him who's he what's happening and then jessel joins and just like oh look at you carol are you scrambling your own eggs by cutting them up look at you anyway what are you guys talking about

47:56Ronnie Karam: something fun all right jessel are you googling people it's like am i googling people disgusting no what it's like we were just talking about like if you google me right now and so i was like yeah That's Epstein. That's what you get if you Google you Epstein all over the place. The Epstein list. So Cy's like, so you've never been to that island? She's like, no. Unless you're talking about the island of Manhattan, also known as New York City. So Cy says, so what was your relationship with Ghislaine? Because like, weren't you two like really good friends and stuff? Like what's going on? If you read the press we were, let me tell you the story.

48:38Ronnie Karam: In the early 2000s, it would be strange if you didn't go out to a big event in New York City and Galen wasn't there. I was friendly with her. I was friendly with shoes. I was friendly with love. I was young in New York City. We had a couple of mutual girlfriends, and when I would see Galen, it would always be with his mutual girlfriends. But I didn't know Jeffrey Epstein. I never met him. I never even talked about him before. So, you know, but she was never one of my close friends.

49:15Ben Mandelker: Suicide's like, what?

49:16Ronnie Karam: Where'd you meet then? Where'd you meet, huh? Oh, here's a very, here's a story with no holes in it. I was in London. I was right after my husband passed away, so it was like December. And it was the holidays. And our mutual friend told her, hey, you know, Carol's husband just passed away. There's a cool new witch girl on the block you should be friends with. And she's in London. by herself yeah and so i get a call and she says this is gillen maxwell and you know i'm sorry about your husband let me have my friends take you out to dinner and i was like okay but she was so insistent and you know i said okay and then half an hour even less i get a call on my little nokia phone that's what we used back then and it was from the duke of york okay first of all Well, she said before that she met Galen at a party in New York.

50:09Ronnie Karam: And now she's saying she never met her until her husband passed away and she was in London. And Galen was suddenly calling her and trying to shove Prince Andrew on her. Yeah.

50:20Ben Mandelker: Well, baby, is it possible she meant like that was the first time she met her in person? I mean, I don't know. Something is weird. And I think what's so funny here is darkly funny is that she's like, wow, it was Prince Andrew. And they're like, wow. It's like, oh, royalty. Wow. They're like, wow. Okay. I'm like, do you guys know? Do you know why he's not royalty anymore? Yeah. He's no longer called Prince Andrew for a reason.

50:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, ultra creep. My God, this fucking guy. And Jess was like, oh, royalty. Okay. Google, now's the time to Google. Now, now's the time to Google, guys. Jeez. So Daisy says, well, this is getting better and better. My God, I love royalty. No, like he's taking, he's like, let me take you to dinner. Did you make out with him? No, we went to dinner and that was it. I mean, it was kind of unmemorable. I just remember he kept saying, do you have your driver's license? And I said, yes. And then he just like got totally turned off and didn't even get dessert.

51:24Ben Mandelker: Daisy's like, so no kissy, kissy. Daisy, do you know what demographic Prince Andrew is into? Please. So Carol's like, no. But the way that she was talking, like, as if Prince Andrew is like the cash, like, oh, my God, this Prince Charming just came in and swept. I was like, Daisy, we are not putting Prince Andrew on a pedestal right now. It's just so funny that they're just totally oblivious. And so Sai is not buying it.

51:51Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, who gave me your number then? Well, we have a couple of mutual. Listen, we had mutual friends who I barely knew. I mean, it was a Nokia thing. You know, if you had a Nokia, other people had. We used to send numbers to each other that if you read them upside down, you know, they would say boner or something like that. There's no key culture.

52:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I still have it in my old Jeep on the street.

52:17Ronnie Karam: And so, so they asked you first or like they said they asked you if they could give you a number out. She's like, no, no, no. Glenn, she just called me. Well, that's weird.

52:29Ben Mandelker: I was like not buying it.

52:30Ronnie Karam: Why'd you guys stop speaking then? Um, well, you know, it's like any friendship that wasn't that deep. Like Tinsley Mortimer, Bethany Frankel. We just kind of drifted apart, you know? Like, I always felt like she wouldn't really be interested in Carol DeFalco. Who? Carol DeFalco. Who the fuck is that? Me. Before I was Carol Radswell. Oh, yeah, I don't want to know her. Neither did Glenn. She only wanted to know Carol Ranswell The famous Carol Ranswell She was a social climber So if you had money or access to money or power Or say a very famous last name Like Ranswell She made it her business to know you That's why she sends drones to this island to this very day So if you lined up ten women and said which one was part of an international sex trafficking thing, it would not be her.

53:35Ronnie Karam: But even in your messages that came up, though, between you and Golan, well, I mean, look, there were emails. You know, it was just a girly thing. It was girly emails. No, but I thought you two had a really good relationship. Like, I thought you two were very close and that the messages were all very jokey. It was weird. It was weird. Yeah, the email that they put up on the screen was like, hey, girlfriend, are we still best friends? You better kiss my butt if we're still best friends. I've got a bunch of girls to go out with or something. Yeah. I mean, it did seem weird email. It was weird. Yeah.

54:16Ben Mandelker: It wasn't creepy. I'm just saying it was like a weird email to send to someone, you know, just bad email form. I didn't like her email banter.

54:29Ronnie Karam: um so she's uh let's see so i'm sorry i got lost where i was so carol's like well look it's not weird so let me dissuade you from that she's like no i'm sorry but the epstein file like it paints me to my stomach i'm a mother i have a teenage daughter okay well i get that people are curious but i mean there's a fine line between curiosity and accusation why are you using your daughter is a shield and then also a sword to grill me with questions carol i'm sorry you are going to get grilled with questions you're bringing the epstein files onto tv and you're going to have to sit there and answer the questions so i am speaking for the people right now so yeah answer answer you answer right now i'm so disgusted by it and carol's like well can you imagine how much

55:21Ben Mandelker: it pains me like to read about it it's like i mean seeing your name in it i need to know everything and daisy's like come on let her talk let her explain sigh i am letting her talk are you okay

55:34Ronnie Karam: sigh daisy daisy uh doesn't seem to be a very good friend to sigh are these two friends that just scream at each other all the time because they seem like it you're mean to me about my popcorn ceilings no i i am to you about your popcorn ceilings they suck they suck you're mean to be about being rich i'm not mean to be you about being rich yes you are yeah you're rich shaming me you're rich shaming me yeah this is definitely one of those friendships that goes back 20 years and

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