#3579 RHOC S20E15: Two Teas in a Pod, Live From Detroit

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2:18Ben Mandelker: Watch What Crab Duns, who cares what happens kids. There's so much that happens Hello Detroit! Hello!

2:32Ben Mandelker: Hi Detroit!

2:37Ronnie Karam: So, good to see you guys. Thank you for being here. Are you exhausted from...

2:41Ben Mandelker: The marathon! The marathon!

2:45Ronnie Karam: I come up here and immediately go limp. This fucking mic. Yeah, so we got into town today and you guys are having a fucking marathon. Stop. Yeah. It's, okay. It is a weekend. Stop running. This is the Lord's Day. Calm down. Sit down.

3:03Ben Mandelker: It's time to outlaw the marathons. Okay? Because on the one hand, you have six months of a friend saying, I can't go out tonight. I'm training for a marathon. And then when the marathon arrives, those of us who are not training can't go anywhere. We're trapped. Why don't they do marathons in the woods?

3:27Ronnie Karam: We were stuck in the Uber. What is going on? It's clearly a marathon. I don't see anybody walking. Did you? Is it a running marathon?

3:36Ben Mandelker: I saw five people running. They weren't running. They were done.

3:41Ronnie Karam: This is my kind of town. You guys have a marathon. You block off every street and everybody just goes to lunch. I don't see anybody out there.

3:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we saw five people with like the tinfoil wrapped around them and then you know I was like you're closing down the entire city we just wanted to get to our hotel I was like where is Carol Radzowell Marathon

4:04Ronnie Karam: Marathon Marathon what a great place Detroit is and it's so good to be back here

4:11Ben Mandelker: and by the way St.

4:14Ronnie Karam: Andrews

4:14Ben Mandelker: thank you for coming out on a Sunday night we really appreciate that We know it's a schlep to get down here during a marathon, but we really appreciate it. For the real housewives of Orange County, I'm just a girl.

4:31Ronnie Karam: A girl in New York City.

4:34Ben Mandelker: Did you see that Carol Radswell wound up on the cover of the New York Post?

4:39Ronnie Karam: They're like trash box Carol Radswell, parking terrorist. Stealing every parking space in New York City.

4:49Ben Mandelker: What an honor. I mean... It is. If I knew that's all it took to get on the cover of a newspaper, I'd be like parking across every lane that I saw. I'd be like, please, New York Post, find me.

5:00Ronnie Karam: How does Carol Radziwell have$8 ,000 in parking tickets that she hasn't paid? I don't move my car. One day they'll tow that shit. How do you get away with having$8 ,000 in parking tickets?

5:12Ben Mandelker: It's the sum of parking tickets, Carol.

5:17Ben Mandelker: I have a question. Did Caroline pay her parking tickets also?

5:23Ronnie Karam: I don't want to talk about Caroline Bissette's parking tickets. It's extremely traumatizing to me.

5:33Ben Mandelker: By the way, I have to say, I know we're not here to talk about Roni, but I am very pleased with this new Roni season, and I'm happy to see it come back from the brink.

5:45Is that it?

5:45Ben Mandelker: That's all. That's it. Just an observation. Guys, I'm just really tired from the marathon.

5:53Ronnie Karam: Well, I love that they're taking over the news because the news is fucking depressing. And in the past week, you know, there's been like normal Trump stuff. Like, you know, you send your daughter to kindergarten and they come back a son or whatever. But it was like the usual crazy shit that you're reading. I thought actually that sounds like kind of good I mean I don't know if they're talking to a really liberal person I'm like free surgeries how do I get into that school by the way I mean really any kind but I'm like are we suddenly like helping our citizens out like that anyway the point is there's like really stupid stuff happening but now we are talking about Kelly Clarkson and Carol Rodswell's parking tickets yeah everything's happening

6:38Ben Mandelker: and by the way I have to say I feel really bad for everyone here in Michigan because I spent this afternoon watching football and the amount of annoying election ads that are happening. I am so sorry you guys. I'm so sorry that you're going through this. It was crazy. It was like out of control. I was like dozing off like watching football then all of a sudden the music gets really scary and then like there's like someone black and white it's just like a lady her name's like Jane Jane Francis. They're like Jane Francis believes that all Michigan people should be thrown in a pit. I'm like, what is happening with these election ads?

7:18Ben Mandelker: Jane Francis, murderer. Do you want this murderer in office? Jane Francis has $8 ,001 of parking tickets. She's worse than Carol Radzowell. Well, do you know we're in a dark place

7:34Ronnie Karam: in this country if people are going to take down Kelly Clarkson, of all people? Kelly Clarkson who spent her whole life being like, hi, how are you? She's like a sonic waitress and roller skates. She's one of the ODs. Leave Kelly Clarkson alone. She yells at some snotty little fucker in a Brooklyn store, more power to her. Have you been to a snotty store in Brooklyn? Yeah, they need some yelling at.

7:58Ben Mandelker: Jane Francis likes snotty stores in Brooklyn. Jane Francis tried to buy a singing bird from a snotty Brooklyn shop. And when they were mean to her, she liked it.

8:15Ronnie Karam: All right. Welcome to Water Crapins. Podcast for all the shit we like to talk about on Ye Olde Brubs. And previously, on The Real Health Us, a voice journey. Hey, Betsy. I booked us a trip to Japan because I saw it on Instagram.

8:43Ben Mandelker: Oh my God, I love that restaurant.

8:48Ronnie Karam: It's a city. It's a city, Jen. It's a city. Japan is a city.

8:53Ben Mandelker: I'll go anywhere that doesn't have Shane or Luke.

8:59Ronnie Karam: Hey guys, it's me, Carmella. I'm just really sorry that I can't come to Japan with you because I'm really not...

9:08Ben Mandelker: Yay, Japan! Japan! Japan! I've never been to Japan. So nice to have a whole new population of people to be richer than. Who here knows Drake?

9:24Ronnie Karam: Why is everybody forcing me to eat raw fish here? Why? Why? I don't eat raw fish! Get me to Renandales!

9:34Ben Mandelker: You guys, this is like a temple, and I'm like really into temples ever since I saw the Of Doom one from Indiana Jones. Wow.

9:46Ronnie Karam: Speaking of temples, mine are pounding. They're absolutely pounding. Do you know if any of these bricks were laid with any kind of espessos adhesive or any kind of polyblend? Something just...

10:04Ben Mandelker: Oh my god. I got a temple fortunes. Okay, I'm going to go first. Okay, here's my fortune. It says, you are really good at real estate and shoulder pads make your posture look better. Definitely spend your meager savings on a wedding instead of food and shelter for your children. Oh my god. All right.

10:25Ronnie Karam: I don't need a fortune. Okay, I make a fortune. I work.

10:30Ben Mandelker: No. Okay. Well, this one's for you, Vicky. Okay. You're miserable and you're going to die alone and not on purpose because your brain looks like chicken wire. What?

10:41Ronnie Karam: What kind of temple is this? What is this? A church? If there's a church without Jesus, I'm not here. This is satanic. This is a satanic temple. Okay.

10:50Ben Mandelker: Well, Heather, here's your fortune. Okay. Okay, this fortune says there was a great prophet named Wendy Malick and you will never be her.

11:02Ronnie Karam: I want a different fortune. Okay. Alfredo, bring me another fortune. Temple Alfredo.

11:09Ben Mandelker: Guys, I have a very intense secret to share with you.

11:15Ronnie Karam: Oh my God, you guys. Hold on. Emily's feeling something. Emily, we're in a temple. As a real estate person, I just want to tell you, go ahead. Okay, my secret is, my husband and I secretly hate each other. Oh, we know, Emily. You guys make me and David look like Balky and Cousin Larry from... Now, shit, this storyline is as painful as your marriage. Let's go out and party, bitch. No, I'm not going anywhere else in this town. This temple was mean to me I don't even understand anything in this town All the signs are in squiggly lines How am I supposed to know what the McDonald's is? Tears Vicky Lighten up, bitch I'm not a Debbie Downer

12:06Ben Mandelker: And scene

12:12Ben Mandelker: Wow, so Orange County Wow Wow they are having a really exciting trip in Japan

12:21Ronnie Karam: they are really making us proud in old Japan yeah by the way I'm so sorry I'm so fidgety I'm like this all the fucking time I can't stop I come out my mic starts falling down my pants are falling down I can't pull up my shirt I can't sit cross like it's just how I am I'm like this every day it's not you it's just it's what makes you

12:45Ben Mandelker: you, Ronnie. And you don't have to be ashamed.

12:49Ronnie Karam: Stop.

12:51Ben Mandelker: But if you want to be wealthy, you will sit still.

12:57Ronnie Karam: So we open up at this temple shrine thing where Gina's just read everybody's terrible fortune. The only person that got a good fortune was Gina. Gina was like, Gina, you are so thin. Everybody loves you. You should get married. Your husband's gonna be so handsome. Shannon, you're a piece of shit.

13:17Ben Mandelker: Well, okay. So for some reason we're still at the shrine. It wasn't even like a to be continued. Like why are we still there? But we're there. And Heather's like, that was very cool, Gina. Thank you for dragging me all the way to Japan to go to your tourist trap. This was great. Thank you so much. She's like, oh my God. Thanks for coming to my shrine. So they're like, okay, so now what? We're like, we're a day into this vacation. What else do we have to do? Don't worry.

13:48Ronnie Karam: I've set up something very special for the ladies. We're going to go to lunch at a place you can work out. Emily, fuck off. Are you fucking kidding me? She takes them to a place where people slap you and work out. You can order different slaps and workout positions.

14:10Ben Mandelker: No. It sort of feels like Shep, Craig, and Austin going to the gym. Gosh, would you spot me? Hey! Dude, sorry, I just had to do it. Dude, violence is never the answer.

14:29Ronnie Karam: I don't know if you're on Instagram, but I work out now. Okay. So they go to this, like I just told you, this place where they're slapping each other and stuff. although it would be a good job to have on this episode for sure the staff probably loved it they're like oh tamra barney's coming get her finally so this place is called muscle girls

14:51Ben Mandelker: they go down to the basement and they are there and emily's like well i've set up something very special the muscle girl bar is nothing like you would find at home i'm like yes because it's not, we are not accustomed to our waiters slapping each other. I don't want to be cruel if it's a cultural thing, but when she says, this is unlike anything you've ever seen, I'm like, you don't have to see. We can tell.

15:17Ronnie Karam: Also, I don't think it's a cultural thing. I think it's just like a specific, what if that was a cultural thing? You just went to a country where they slap you at dinner.

15:27Ben Mandelker: So, they sit down, and Heather's like, ooh, we can pay them 1 ,000 yen to do any of this stuff on the menu. Like you could say, go slap Vicky or pour a vat of acid on Wendy Malick.

15:43Ronnie Karam: What is this menu? What are they even serving here? I'm so sick of this. I want a chicken finger taco. Give me a chicken finger taco. Vicky is so miserable. Jeez. She's consistently miserable though.

15:56Ben Mandelker: Heather's trying to be all cool like, this is so fun. all these people slapping each other. She's like, I don't normally sit in on the butler training sessions, but it's cool to see how the other half lives.

16:17Ronnie Karam: So there's a lot of slapping. They get people up there.

16:20Ben Mandelker: You know that's how you get the job of bringing the bowls from our kitchen to Nobu. It's like, alright. If you want to be the one who carries the bowls, you have to earn it. Step up. Get the hand out. Did you like that? Then you're not qualified.

16:39Ronnie Karam: So they get up there and get slapped and hump a lot on stage. And Shannon's just very much like, Whoa!

16:49Ben Mandelker: Waggy Shannon! I'm getting tossed around. This is crazy. This is crazy. I'm so happy. I'm a very happy person who's down for fun at all times. I wonder if I'm getting slapped around as well as much as Dave did by that slot on the beach.

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19:57Ronnie Karam: Wayfair, every style, every home. Oh, so they leave the muscle bar and they're walking around and Vicky's like, I need to find a garbage can. Why aren't there garbage cans in this town? Why? Where are they? What do people put their garbage? It's ridiculous.

20:12Ben Mandelker: There are no garbage cans. You have to actually hold your garbage. We know. That's why we had certain cast members on the show for so long.

20:25Ronnie Karam: This is Bravo. We are the trash can. I know.

20:33Ronnie Karam: So, Vicky just keeps pointing at things. Is that a garbage can? Is that a garbage can?

20:40Ben Mandelker: It's like a remix of What's Her Face, Megan King Edmonds being like, are you an O'Toole?

20:45Ronnie Karam: Are you an O'Toole? Is that a garbage can? That's a bus with children on it. God! I am starving. So here's a lot. I just left the restaurant with the slappy ladies. So Jen wants to go, how do you pronounce these animals?

21:03Ben Mandelker: Capybaras. Capybaras. Yes. And so here's a sentence that you, of course, would hear from Heather. Okay, lunch crew with me and you guys, capybara Two things you're not going to hear from Heather Capybara and lunch very often, you know

21:21Ronnie Karam: Jen, send me a picture of the capybara

21:28Ben Mandelker: That's strange Why did she send me a photo of Rula's husband?

21:37Ben Mandelker: copy bears are very adorable it was a very nice thing to say about that man but those nuts are just hanging right out of there there's that too just laying on the couch

21:48Ronnie Karam: with their nuts out put it put it in this is a public space so now uh the the lunch people

21:56Ben Mandelker: are going, they're going to be wild and wacky and take public transportation, which means you have Heather walking through the subway, a system like this. Hello, I'm television's Heather Dubrow. Time to find the shared limousine that goes on the tracks.

22:15Ronnie Karam: Isn't this fascinating? So many people getting into one giant car. This is disgusting. get me out Heather's just going through the touch menu look at me one people two people god damn this is a garbage can this is a garbage can

22:33Ben Mandelker: excuse me does this subway have a second floor do you remember when she got on they went on that little yacht in Newport Beach it was like a tiny tiny yacht and Heather comes upstairs to clearly the top floor of the tiny yacht and she goes is there another floor it's still one of my favorite unsung moments Classic.

22:56Ronnie Karam: So they get on the train, and, you know, they're trying to make small talk, and Tam's like, shh, you guys, stop talking. In Japan, you're supposed to be very, very quiet. I've seen it in my Instagram. I know all the facts about it. You're not supposed to talk on the subway. Also, you can't turn the lights on on the subway after midnight. Don't get wet around the subway

23:29Ben Mandelker: She learns everything from Gremlins That explains so much if you really think about it She just shows up in a little pink Corvette

23:41Ronnie Karam: Just drives around a toy store Tamara just hanging from a ceiling fan Going around and around Da da da da da da da da da da da da All right, let's go to Cappy, Cappy, Cappy. What the fuck? Why can't I say this animal? Capybara. Capybara. All right, so Jen, Tamara, and Emily. Wow. Jen's like, wow, I hope we can get Huff Coffee in here. There's giant net sacks there. What are you thinking about coffee? Why is that the first thing you're thinking of?

24:11Ben Mandelker: Well, it was so interesting. This is like, you know, like it's like a cat cafe or something like that, but it's for capybaras. and so there are these two capybarras named Pecan and Muji, and they're just, they're sitting on the sofa. But what was so funny is that, like, I sort of thought it would be very cutesy in there and, like, accommodating, and it felt like they were at the doctor's office and the capybaras were, like, waiting to have a procedure done. Like, they're like, yeah, we're here to get our eyes done.

24:41Ronnie Karam: Well, the couches are this big and the animals are this big. And they're like, oh, I'm sitting and enjoy the animals. And the animals are like, seriously? Is this a cafe where we're going to slap the animals? They're like, try it. Try it, B.

25:00Ben Mandelker: You can buy them vegetables. Let's buy them snacks. See, Shane, I bought the capybara snack. But you didn't make me a steak.

25:10Ronnie Karam: Wow, that's great. You're buying animal snacks while I'm at home feeding the children.

25:20Ben Mandelker: So Tamara's like, are those testicles? And Jen goes, I knew you were going to say that. I'm like, Jen, the testicle is the size of a party balloon, and it's like in our faces. She's like, I knew it. I knew we were going to point that out.

25:33Ronnie Karam: But also, what kind of question is that?

25:36Ben Mandelker: Are those testicles?

25:38Ronnie Karam: No, it's their laptop. They're bicycle wheels. They're pretty universally testicles. Um, so, uh, they meet these, they meet these cute little guys, and these, you know, and I don't know if it's the animal's fault, or if they're just not amused, but they don't smile. They're just like... So, uh, meanwhile, Gina, Shannon, Heather, and Vicky go to another restaurant, and they have to remove their shoes, and Vicky's like...

26:10Ben Mandelker: This happens a few times this episode, and they're surprised every time. They're like, oh, please remove your, your shoes. Gina's like, our shoes?

26:21Ronnie Karam: You're in Japan. I've never been to Japan either, but I have a television set. Like, I've seen it.

26:27Ben Mandelker: She's like, what? But it's part of the outfit. They're like, we know. We're going to help you out. Take them off. And Gina, they're Gina shoes. That's what she also calls her house.

26:44Ronnie Karam: I never lived in a casino The audience has been asking you to change your shoes for years Okay, finally you're in a place where they're like, take off your shoes Also your outfit Okay, here's the So, meanwhile, one of the capybara's farts in the other place Who's the 100 % farts? It was this one, he smells, stinky capybara Meanwhile, they're sitting on the edge of this couch and the capybaras are just like...

27:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And I don't know why, like, I feel like I would... What was so interesting about this scene is that, like, they go, they pet the capybaras, they feed the capybaras, and then you would think they would, like, move to a different area to have, like, a little discussion and talk shit. But they just sort of sit with the capybaras, as if the capybaras are part of it, like... Let's talk shit about the other cast members. What do you think, Mooji?

27:41Ronnie Karam: So guys, I'm talking to you, Capy Barrett. Pecan, get involved. I'm sick of you guys. I'm just going to talk to these giant what I think are testicles. Okay. Capy Barrett, I was trying to talk with Vicky and your super mom, but then Vicky couldn't even take it and she just went home and went to bed. Yo, why is Vicky always going home and going to bed? Vicky's so lame, not fun.

28:06Ben Mandelker: I hate that Vicky goes to bed a little bit earlier than we do. Let's make an episode about it.

28:15Ronnie Karam: I just don't even know how to get through Vicky anymore. And then Shannon just keeps making excuses for Vicky all the time. Then we cut to Shannon the other place. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, poor Vicky. You know, poor Vicky. You know, in the car I hear that I'm too lenient or I make excuses for you and I'm not making excuses for you. I'm just saying you're going through a very hard time, Vicky. very, very, very hard.

28:37Ben Mandelker: Thank you. And then we have a flashback to see where Shannon got this notion and all of a sudden we're in the car and Heather is like right up on Shannon's face and she's like, you are constantly making excuses for Vicky. Shannon's like, well, because I know her deep down and I know when she is down bad and that's a new term. The children are saying down bad. Down bad. Like I'm down bad. At first I thought it was about jackets and I was like, oh, well, you should get a new jacket if you're down as bad, but it turns out it's about your emotional state.

29:09Ronnie Karam: Down, bad, ow, itchy, ow, down, no. But synthetic bad, too.

29:14Ben Mandelker: What do you do? Well. Are you okay over there? Are you okay? Uh-oh. What happened? I quit! Oh, your microphone fell off, Ronnie. I'm sick of myself! His microphone fell off. We have a little microphone, little lavadiers on. We have little backup mics in case we stop recording

29:37Ronnie Karam: and I keep flicking it off on my tits.

29:40Ben Mandelker: Every time. Ronnie, you are constantly making excuses for the microphone.

29:47Ronnie Karam: It's my breasticles. It's my breasticles. Sounds like that microphone. I know that deep down Vicky is a very good person. Very. Doop. It's very deep. Very, very deep. She's a Verizon commercial. deep down. Deep down. Good person.

30:06Ben Mandelker: She's like those crazy fish at the bottom of the ocean. Deep, deep, deep, deep down. And it's like, wow, beautiful.

30:13Ronnie Karam: Well, Vicky, you do have a tendency to, like, take it easier on Vicky. For example, like, you do have an issue with the fact that Jen said hello to Alexis. That was such a good fight. We should talk about it for another hour.

30:29Ben Mandelker: At which point, Shannon's like, oh, is this what we're doing today? Emily and Gina are going to now prosecute how I reacted to Jen saying hi to Alexis versus Vicky saying hi to Alexis. I was like, oh, great. I was really excited to use my new term, Audi 5000, but apparently... Audi 5000, bad. Down bad.

30:55Ronnie Karam: Down bad. So now they're trying to get on Shannon for how she reacted to someone not saying hi to somebody. So Shannon's like, who's saying hi to somebody? I made a joke. I made a joke to Emily. And then we cut back to this party. And Emily's like, she's hugging your best friend over there.

31:12Ben Mandelker: She's trying to get consoled by Jen. And Shannon was like, ooh, wow, Jenny star. Wow, look at Jenny. Look, Jenny's talking to Alexis. Like, that was it. And now, of course, Emily and Gina are going to turn into a whole thing. So Gina's like, yeah, you know what, though? But you did bring it up, like, multiple times, Shannon. And to be fair, we then get a montage of Shannon being like, well, I think I'm going to order a grande cappuccino with a side of Jen likes Alexis more than me, apparently.

31:39Ronnie Karam: Et cetera. So, Gina, you know, that's so stupid. I mean, honestly. Aren't you mad that she made a comment about how you said hi to that girl who maybe didn't say hi to a fight about a couple... I think that's... Who farted? I do mean... So, I mean, Capy Bar as Emily is like, Like, yo, Shannon puts time and energy into that relationship. And then I said in the car, do you think Shannon's a close friend? Are you close with Shannon? And then Vicky was like, oh, I don't know who's Shannon. What's Shannon? I don't know.

32:11Ben Mandelker: I barely know her. And then we see the video, and basically the flashback is Vicky saying, like, yeah, I'm close with her. Well, they say, who's your best friend? Which, by the way, I mean, this is like second grade. It's like, who's your best friend? And she's like, well, my best friend's like my, it's like Tiffany Tracy. Like, I grew up with her in Chicago. They're like, okay, well, who's your best friend in California? Like, well, there's also, like, Rena. She's great. We went to college together. Well, who's your best friend in Orange County? Well, there's Margaret. She's really fun. No, but who's your best friend in Orange County that is also on this trip?

32:43Ronnie Karam: Oh, Shannon. Shannon. Yeah, Shannon. She never even gets to Shannon. And so Tamara's like, I just sleep a close to Shannon. What's she saying? You're not friends with Shannon? She wasn't your best friend in kindergarten. She said, what's she saying, Vicar?

32:58Ben Mandelker: Vicky's like, you know what? Yeah, I'm close with Shannon. They're like, but do you call her all the time? She's like, no, we don't call all the time, but we're friends.

33:04Ronnie Karam: Like, oh, really? It's the penultimate episode. We're going to have a fight about this in Japan. Vicky didn't say she was friends with Shannon since kindergarten. So back at Gina. Gina's like, well, you made it seem like you and Shannon weren't even close today. And Vicky's like, what? What? What?

33:26Ben Mandelker: You did. You were like, I don't even know who she is. She's like, I mean, we don't talk every day. I mean, we pretty much, actually, Victoria, we do talk every day, but I guess a lot of times I'm talking to your voicemail. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's why it feels like we talk every day.

33:43Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm a true friend of Vicky's, and to hear her say that she did not know me in kindergarten, well, it just makes me feel a certain way. I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, So Shanna starts spinning out. Then Emily is like, oh, this isn't fair to pour her. And Vicky's like, there's no fucking way.

34:03Ben Mandelker: I just feel like Shadden put so much time and energy into Vicky and that relationship. I'm like, the one who's putting the time and energy is you right now, and it's exhausting us.

34:13Ronnie Karam: Well, I get it. It's really difficult with Vicky. Because you know, like, we've been friends for a really long time. But she's been so mean to me. She's been so terrible to me. Do you remember what she did on her podcast a few years to me? A few years ago to me? Can you guys imagine one of your friends having a podcast and then showing up to talk shit about you?

34:39Ben Mandelker: That's your job. That's literally your job. So we hear a clip from Vicky's podcast, and she's like, there's no flipping way. I'm going through life not being close to my daughter, which, you know. But my daughter... my daughter and my son are my life, and I'll be on a flipping plane right now, knocking on her door, begging her for forgiveness, get off the show and reconcile with your daughter. It's pretty simple. You just have to do that. Or be on the show and not reconcile your daughter, which is what I'm doing right now.

35:09Ronnie Karam: Well, broken clocks and stuff like that, you know. I don't like Vicky, but she's not necessarily wrong all the time. Is that nice to say on a podcast? No, but they're horrible to each other on that show. Also, does Vicky talk to Brianna a lot? because I feel like Brianna is watching this and changing the code on her door again. Like, oh my God. How many times do we have to move? She keeps finding her address.

35:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there's something weird going on with Vicky and Brianna's relationship and it's not being articulated on the show. I mean, we all know it has to do with Ryan and he's a piece of shit, but like, whatever.

35:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but we also saw Brianna's relationship with Vicky on the show where she's like, seriously, you're my mother. I mean, we've seen it for years. So Tamara's like, I was off the show for two years and nothing got better. And now you're blaming me for my own kid not being in my life. And it's so fucked up. Her name is Sydney. Sydney. Sydney. Sydney's like, I will never speak to you again if you mention my name on your show. And I can never leave Sydney.

36:15Ben Mandelker: But by the way, also, Vicky mentioned this on her podcast a few years ago. so now like tamra's just bringing this back up like she's using it it's so funny she's using it here as an example of why vicky can be tough because like remember that thing she did a few years ago when she did this and now she's upset at the example she just brought up and now she's acting like they just got into a fight but she just brought up as an example and now the rest

36:36Ronnie Karam: of the episode it's like i can't believe you said that about me now tamra's worked up into a tizzy and she brought this up because shannon said that vicky wasn't her or vicky said that shannon wasn't her best friend in kindergarten. That's how this all ties together. You guys weren't best friends when you were little kids, so Tamara is traumatized that you're using her daughters. What? What is this? And why am I like, I love this. How's everybody saying the show is so boring this year? So Tamara says,

37:11Ben Mandelker: Vicky, she has no boundaries. She can go after your husband, your child, and if you do that to her, she would lose her mind. So let's do it.

37:21Ronnie Karam: She'd never even apologize for using your daughter against you that doesn't talk to you? What was her name again? That is the lowest of the lows that you can say about another woman.

37:36Ben Mandelker: I think it was this around, was this when the capybara just gets up and just bites Emily?

37:42Ronnie Karam: At one point it's like, get the fuck off of my couch.

37:48Ronnie Karam: What are you talking about?

37:50Ben Mandelker: This poor animal is like, get out. The capybara is like, please cut to someone more interesting. So now we go to Carmela.

38:00Ronnie Karam: Speaking of, yeah, something interesting. So we go to Rancho Santa Ranch Ranch, and Carmela is talking to Tom Sandoval's father in the kitchen. Don't they look so similar? So handsome.

38:18Ronnie Karam: so she's talking to Danny she's you know Ben mentioned this we were like watching speeding through it I was like let's see what Gina was wearing just so we can remember so we're speeding through it backstage and Carmella comes out she's doing the Lisa Vanderpump thing Ben pointed it out where she's like hi Carmella I really love pink roses it's just like a normal day not feeling great at home so I got 38 ,000 pink roses And she brings a vase that's this big. It's enormous. And she's like, well, anyway, Danny. He's like, hey, I haven't seen it at all. What are you talking about? I didn't do anything.

38:57Ben Mandelker: Zip. So she's like, well, it's just like every hour. I just cannot even regulate right now. I'm just so stressed out putting these flowers into a vase. And normally I can take two units of insulin. So her insulin's all over the charts. you know, it's not, you know, it's just, you know, it's what she has to deal with and everything. And she's going on and on about it. And, um, you know, it's a real thrill. You can keep trying with this. I'm fast forwarding through this. Poor Carmella.

39:27Ronnie Karam: I'm trying to hold... But you know what's funny is that Carmella looks the same in fast forward as she does in... She's like... Still holding a flower, kind of breaking away a paddle, like...

39:43Ben Mandelker: Is this thing working? It's like the adventures of why someone didn't go on a trip. It's like, we get it. But do something interesting at home.

39:50Ronnie Karam: I really wanted some bonding time with the girls, but unfortunately... No, you don't. Nobody needs this. So then we go back to Tokyo, and they're talking about who they would pay to get slapped in the muscle place. Then we go to Tamara's van, and she's like, Oh, my God, people are getting smacked in the head. Did you see that? I think they went to a restaurant where people smacked like this, Shannon. Ow!

40:13Ben Mandelker: How dare you? Ow! Ow! Ow! How could you slap television's Heather Dubrow? It's put a lot of money into this forehead.

40:30Ronnie Karam: So then, um... There's like three pages of them smacking each other. Okay, so then...

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43:14Ben Mandelker: And Heather is like, oh, I love this. This is exactly what I wanted to do. Traditional garb, a traditional tea ceremony, history. I am beyond thrilled for this. I am one of the people. Ooh, sitting on a floor? that's great. I have a question about this tea house. Is it connected to another tea house underneath? Do you have a child that lives under this tea house in another tea house that you bought for them and can we connect it? No?

43:48Ronnie Karam: Love your tea house. I'm gonna build a tea house under the tea house. So they're like put on your, you know, they all put on Komodos and stuff and Shannon's like What is this, a robe? Do I wear anything underneath? Oh, thank God for shapewear. I almost knocked it off again. Thank God for shapewear and kimonos!

44:10Ben Mandelker: Years of shapewear have prepared me for this moment to be very tightly wrapped. These poor people at the tea house having to hear this. Centuries of tradition being boiled down to shat and being like, thank God for Spanx!

44:25Ronnie Karam: Okay, so they sit and grind up some tea and stuff and we get the traditional like we're gonna pretend that you're here for educational purposes and not to fight with each other. Okay enjoy your tea fight. Go ahead.

44:38Ben Mandelker: Fight it up. They're all just sitting there just pretending like they're listening. I mean poor Jen. She's having a hard time following. They're like we put the matcha into the cup. She's like I'm sorry can you do that again from the top?

44:48Ronnie Karam: Poor Jen. She really doesn't know where she is. She doesn't know where she is in her own neighborhood. But in Japan she's really like what is this? You're making tea? Why are we grinding the tea up again? I don't understand. What are you grinding? I don't know. Isn't it a bag that you put in the thing? Don't you pull a little spout and it comes out. It's ice. Is it sweetened?

45:10Ben Mandelker: When do we get the gold necklaces and the mohawk? Jen, it's not a Mr. Tea ceremony.

45:21Ronnie Karam: Okay, so now... Do you know what I'm talking about? It sounds like I wonder about my life. I'm scrolling through these notes like, what? I got people in capybara!

45:39Ben Mandelker: Jane Francis likes capybaras. So they're making their own tea, and Tamara's like,

45:47Ronnie Karam: Make it for me, guys. Make it for me.

45:51Ben Mandelker: And then Jen is sitting there. She's whisking her tea, and she literally says, This is like an arm workout. You're whisking tea. I thought you're supposed to be the one in shape.

46:06Ronnie Karam: So Emily is like, well, you know what? I think if people have a relationship where they have nicknames for each other and inside jokes, which I think is fun, you're not honest with the way that you guys feel about each other. Fight! Fight! Fight!

46:19Ben Mandelker: Okay, all right, all right. I have to say, as someone who was slapped several times today, I just want to say, you have got to get off the Alexis thing, although if you'd like to talk shit about her, I will welcome that.

46:30Ronnie Karam: But then it bothered you when Alexis went up to her at the party and then they hugged because you don't like Alexis and then Heather got a dirty look from Alexis when Alexis didn't say hi at the party? The tea lady's like, oh my God. The tea lady's back there smoking a cigarette like, please get them the fuck out of here.

46:49Ben Mandelker: I know. Emily is working so hard to try to find anything here and Shannon's like, well, no, let me explain. When you were standing next to me and Jen was hugging Alexis, I said, oh, we're going to need to talk about that as a joke. And then as a follow-up joke, I said, she's such a fucking bitch. I can't believe I was friends with her.

47:07Ronnie Karam: That's it.

47:07Ben Mandelker: Just funny times.

47:08Ronnie Karam: Ha, ha, ha. Okay. Fun Shannon. Okay. Well, Shannon's not going to be bothered, I guess. Okay. Well, then did it bother you when Alexis went on Vicky's podcast?

47:19Ben Mandelker: That did bother me. Yes, that did bother me.

47:22Ronnie Karam: Well, did you tell Vicky? Maybe you should tell Vicky right now. I appreciate her going on that. I appreciate having Alexis.

47:28Ben Mandelker: I told her. I said, Vicky, I am down bad. And I had... I said, please don't do that to me again. And then she said, new number who dis? And I said, why are you dissing me?

47:45Ronnie Karam: Well, I texted her and she said, I had no idea that you had any problems with Alexis in the first place, which I totally believe because deep down, Vicky's a very good person. Wait a minute. What do you mean? She had no idea. Well, okay. You know, two days. I mean, I didn't even know. I mean, I don't even know. Who's Alexis? Who's Alexis? She's stupid. Get a job. I don't know. We didn't even talk about John. We didn't even talk about John. John Jampson.

48:09Ben Mandelker: So, Vicky, good friend Vicky is on our podcast talking to Alexis saying, you know, I never really had an issue with John. I mean, he's like a pretty cool guy. Love John. John Jampson. He just treats all his women so well. And God, I love his shoes. So nice. Such a good person.

48:21Ronnie Karam: You know, when John and Shannon were dating, even after Shannon's accident, John and I were fine. I love John. Well, that's good.

48:28Ben Mandelker: Well, did you tell Shannon that Alexis was on your podcast? She's like, yeah, I did. Well, you didn't. You didn't. I found out about it. And Vicky, I did text you. I text, you know, come to think of it, I may have, it just may have been texting DoorDash. I, you know, I could be, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I texted you, Vicky.

48:47Ronnie Karam: I know that I was texting you because I remember you responding. you said I've arrived and you you send me a picture of Wendy's in a bag sitting at my door I remember it

48:59Ben Mandelker: I remember and you apologized you said I'm leaving the apology by your door

49:05Ronnie Karam: it's not that deep I don't even know I mean I barely know Alexis I don't have a problem with Alexis what's wrong with Alexis so if I did her I didn't tell her it doesn't make a difference why do I have a podcast bye

49:17Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying as someone who was bitten by a capybara and maybe rabid, it doesn't make sense to me that you would have Alexis on your podcast and not give her a heads up. That's all I am saying. Please fight.

49:33Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, I, I, I, I, I will not fight with Vicky over there. Okay, you're not going to get mad at Vicky? Well, how about this? Do you remember when Vicky was going to come back to the show and she said she had an issue with Tamara?

49:46Ben Mandelker: Tamara's like, You know what? I don't remember the schematics. I don't remember the schematics. Vicky's over in a missile silo. I don't remember the schematics. Shemoodics. Shemoodics. We don't know words. We don't know words on this show. Listen, listen. She was going through a tough time with that DUI and breakup with John, and I just felt like you didn't give her any grace, Tamara, and that was my opinion. See what I did there? And whether it was right or wrong, it was my opinion, and all of you saw it. That's why I was mad at you, Tamara.

50:21Ronnie Karam: Okay. So Vicky was mad at Tamara because Tamara was being mean to Shannon. So now we're in Tokyo yelling about all of this. Like three years later or two years later. Well, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me. You have Alexis on and you're mean to Shannon and you don't like Vicky. Someone get upset. Okay, let a professional do this. Vicky, what is your opinion when you went after me as a mom. Oh, God. Of which child? Which child? I'll give you a hint. It's a weird city in Australia. You have a child named Melbourne? No, bitch, Sydney. Okay, okay. Whatever I said was wrong. Okay, you're a good mother.

51:08Ronnie Karam: Everybody knows that. Everybody knows you're a good mother, Tamara. Okay, you're an incredible mother. So whatever I said, I don't know. I don't know what I said.

51:15Ben Mandelker: Okay, pretend I said the thing, and now I say, sorry. Was that sincere enough for you?

51:23Ronnie Karam: Let me just ask you, as your friend, if you know that I'm such an incredible mother, then why would you tag me about something that hurts me so bad, like Sidney not talking to me anymore because I won't stop mentioning a name on TV. And then you said I chose fame over my own daughter. I did not. I pushed my daughter out of the camera. I said, get out of the camera, sweet.

51:48Ben Mandelker: I told you I was sorry. What do you want me to do? Okay, I told you I'm sorry. I said I'm sorry.

51:52Ronnie Karam: Did I ever say she was sorry? Yes, I did.

51:55Ben Mandelker: Camera, camera, we talked on the phone. We talked on the phone. I said I'm sorry. I said, hello? Whoever this is, I'm sorry. Then I hung up.

52:04Ronnie Karam: What is even going on here, you guys? What is going on? I don't even know what this is. The truth. The truth. The truth. The truth. But you're a pet. I don't even know what happened. That's true.

52:13Ben Mandelker: Then why do you talk about it, bitch?

52:18Ronnie Karam: It's the most painful thing that I've ever experienced in my entire life, bitch. Have somebody so close to me attack me as a mother. Do you ever think, like, if I could stay with my ex-husband and be miserable to keep my child out, would I do it again? I probably would. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Tamara.

52:39Ben Mandelker: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, maybe we take a break, guys. Have we give them all my happiness?

52:45Ronnie Karam: Have we give them all my happiness to see my daughter Sydney?

52:49Ben Mandelker: Everyone, everyone, I learned how to have compassion at the groundlings. Watch. Here, here. Here, here. Here, here. Come cry in Mother Heather's arms. Let me console you. If you ever leave my arms again. It will cost you a lot. That's not a promise. It is a threat. There, there. Sweet Tamara. I am maternal.

53:19Ronnie Karam: It was a copy of that scene when they were in Ireland and Kelly's like, you're a terrible mother and everybody knows that your own daughter hates you. And then Tamara went into the van and Shannon's holding her. Okay, let him out. Let it out. It's all the greatest hits.

53:37Ben Mandelker: Let it out. Let it out. It's like when Alfredo breaks a dish. Let him out. Let him out.

53:46Ronnie Karam: I cannot imagine being estranged from one of my Alfredos. And I would imagine that Tamara never felt quite whole again. She'll never feel whole again until she reconciles with... What's her name? Sydney. Her name is Sydney.

54:08Ben Mandelker: It's just so terrible that they don't have a relationship because if Sydney could just see the relationship I have with my mother, she would see how much fun it is to torment the woman who tortured you for so many years.

54:21Ronnie Karam: Heather, it's your mother calling. Mother? Heather. Not now. What is this outfit you're wearing? You're in tow. You look ridiculous.

54:30Ben Mandelker: You told me it was beautiful this morning, mother.

54:33Ronnie Karam: If the mail system went quicker, I would send you a pashmina. You look ridiculous. Heather, you can't pull this off. Mother, I'm sending you to a new home. I'm just saying.

54:46Ronnie Karam: Happy Gilmore's father, mother, would do the same, you know? What's his name? Adam Sandler. Adam Sandler would never embarrass his mother looking like this in a Japanese restaurant.

54:59Ben Mandelker: Mother, the only celebrities we name drop are Richard Marks and Drake. Please be gone. so uh so tamra's sobbing in heather's arms and i can't believe that vicky would go so low

55:13Ronnie Karam: this was so long ago no one even did anything to you what are you crying about but you gotta hand it to tamra because this is episode 15 so they're almost done and tamra's been nice the whole season okay come on let's get something out you feel people find the same remember vicky did that thing

55:30Ben Mandelker: She is trying her best. I mean, you got to give her credit. She's doing everything. And so Shannon's like, I can't even imagine what my life would be like if one of my daughters wasn't there, which is funny because they actually all moved away. And I actually, now that I think about it, I can imagine this very vividly.

55:48Ronnie Karam: Whenever I think about my daughters and how much they mean to me, I call one of them and it rings one time and then goes to voicemail. I just can't imagine a life where

55:59Ben Mandelker: Salmon would exist without cream cheese

56:03Ronnie Karam: Hey my god, Shannon You've always been my safe space What? What?

56:10Ben Mandelker: Have you watched your own season?

56:12Ronnie Karam: Three years ago, you dumped Shannon And said she wouldn't stop calling you drunk And sobbing about her own problems What are you talking about? You've always been my safe space, Shannon

56:22Ben Mandelker: Well, to be fair, it was safer to be in the car than in that house that one time. Well, that was true. Shannon, the safe space.

56:31Ronnie Karam: Unlike curbs or sides of homes.

56:35Ben Mandelker: I am a safe space. So now they all go back to the hotel and get ready for the evening. And Shannon's like doing something in the bathroom, but there's like this Japanese toilet that keeps on making noises. and it's like because the bidet is going off and the lid's going up and down and she's like toilet you keep talking to me which is actually quite welcomed

56:59Ronnie Karam: oh well there's a girl trying to do her makeup and oh someone won't stop still got it still got it wow

57:07Ben Mandelker: well you're certainly taking more interest in me than David toilet

57:12Ronnie Karam: so Carmella calls Jen while she's getting glam she's like any drama over there It's like getting crazy over here. I got flowers and I put flowers in a vase. And then Danny might have been cheating while I was putting the flowers in the vase. I mean, he was standing right there, but probably, I mean, I don't know.

57:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's been great here. I've been waiting. It's been so fun. We've been here already like three days and I still have not found a Caribbean pan yet. Like, that's not what Japan means. But, okay, well, that's fine. I'm just really confused about this country. I still don't understand it.

57:49Ronnie Karam: So, Gina, now it's Gina's job to get Vicky upset. So, Vicky's like, I don't even know what happened last night. What was even happening? What is this podcast? Am I on a podcast? Do I even have a podcast? Well, that was like an emotional breakdown. Let me explain. Tamara got very upset.

58:07Ben Mandelker: And she needed it. And unfortunately, it was at your expense. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

58:17Ronnie Karam: But I don't want to see Tamara hurt, but she's the one bringing up that her daughter won't speak to her. What am I supposed to do? Make her daughter speak to her? I mean, it was a long time ago. You know, Tamara just stirs up problems. She's not good with just peace. Can we just have peace? She's not coming after somebody. She's not happy. She's not happy. Why can't people just be happy?

58:37Ben Mandelker: Well, everyone got some sleep. Some people talked with their toilets. It's a good reset. And we could take a break from each other, and then you guys can talk later and it'll be really good. Do you have work to do? She's like, yes, I do. I'm going to work. I'm going to work right now. I'm going to email. This is the equivalent of telling a kid, do you need your binky? Do you need your binky? Yes. Do you have some work? Yes, I do.

59:02Ronnie Karam: Her Vicky at insurance at, you know, AOL.com or whatever.

59:08Ben Mandelker: Do you have insurance? So the group splits up into two groups. One group is going to go to the market. one group is going to do like a Mario Kart thing around Japan, which I think looks really fun, but I would also be terrified of being run over. Because also I've played Mario Kart, and I don't think I need to be in Mario Kart.

59:25Ronnie Karam: Well, you said didn't let Shannon in there. Oh, yeah, well, that would be... You know what we should do to have fun? Put Shannon in a car. Oh.

59:35Ben Mandelker: Hey, is that that toilet again? Oh, sorry, just clip the side of the tea house. we're gonna go go

59:42Ronnie Karam: ride in bed instead of just going like ourselves we're gonna wear really stupid costumes I'm gonna dress like a pig

59:49Ben Mandelker: and now something truly amazing happens for us for years and years and years we have always said that Heather has claw hands cause when she talks she goes like this with her hands like if you ever and they are given all these costumes to wear and she goes I wanna be the lobster and then she puts on the lobster and has real claw hands It felt like a warm hug. Under the sea. Under the sea. Everything's better. Where you can buy real estate for your children and attach it to the penthouse in your century city home. Under the sea.

1:00:28Ronnie Karam: Kiss the girl.

1:00:31Ben Mandelker: Kiss Terry. Wow, okay. I'm into this now.

1:00:35Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't drive a lot to begin with because I'm very wealthy. Between Uber, walking, drivers, Pete Alfredo, Pete Alfredo, even my driver is driven. But now I'm a hot rod. I'm on the ground. There's buses. There's motorcycles. It's sort of like driving in LA. But it's Tokyo. It's also very clean. Why is she always pantomiming? I know. It's like when you're playing charades, disregard even the hands. Just like when you're trying to tell your sibling what the rule is, just with your face. Mmm. Mmm. It was wake me up before you go-go. What is wrong with you?

1:01:22Ben Mandelker: I feel mad.

1:01:24Ronnie Karam: I feel mad.

1:01:26Ben Mandelker: She's pantomiming because I am relatable. So at the market, Jen goes to the market and she's like, the whole group goes there and Gina goes nuts. She's like, I think I'm gonna have a Pokemon. Oh my God, it's like peanut butter. Can I get the peanut butter? Oh my God, hello kitty. Oh my God, it's a Pez dispenser. Oh my God, keychains.

1:01:46Ronnie Karam: I have kids, and so like Pokemons are like super important to them. Gina, who three weeks ago was like, should I have a really extravagant wedding or get my 18 children more than one room to share?

1:02:00Ben Mandelker: Mmm, wedding. So it's fun and games, shopping, driving, shopping, driving. And then the street... He's giving them some Pokemon cards to read together, cuddle up in bed with all ten of them, you know? Pikachu.

1:02:18Ben Mandelker: That's so rude, I know, but seeing four Pokemon, someone went, aw, I know. So the Mario Kart people, they stop, they're done. So they get out. I mean, this show is so funny because they drive around in the costumes and they park the carts and then they go to like a seating area and they sit there and their costumes are like, so let's talk about relationships.

1:02:43Ronnie Karam: You got empty so hard.

1:02:44Ben Mandelker: She's wearing a pig head.

1:02:47Ronnie Karam: I totally understand you.

1:02:50Ben Mandelker: They're literally like, Heather's literally like giving advice with her literal claw hands. She's like,

1:02:56Ronnie Karam: but you know what? You know what? The one thing that really stands out is that you guys all individual came up and rallied for me

1:03:02Ben Mandelker: and she just sat there. Because, by the way, that's what happened when Tamara was like, Vicky just sat there like, okay. Oh, Jesus Christ. Here we go again with Tamara.

1:03:12Ronnie Karam: Didn't you guys rather do it? I mean, Vicky didn't do nothing. It was so sad. I woke up at four in the morning and I just cried. I woke up. I didn't even know who was in the room. I looked and he was... And it was me. It was me. so the toilet's like shut up so so uh the other women go to a ramen lunch which did anyone notice

1:03:41Ben Mandelker: that none of them knew how to say ramen they're like um are you guys going to get the ramen like

1:03:46Ronnie Karam: yeah i want to get the woman everybody loves watching them try to eat the ramen while shooting a scene with chopsticks was also very funny because they didn't know how to do it so they just kept like putting a noodle on a stick and just raising it and holding it each other like what about your feelings you really hope so you should talk about it

1:04:11Ben Mandelker: how am i supposed to do this on camera someone tore up my bread um so vicky is like so it's like okay you know what what's my fault i'll own it okay i'll own it because you know what i have a lot of money i can buy it so i'll own it and i retaliated to like what she was saying about me and I went on, you know, to on a cancer scare and I did this and that and other and she talked about Shannon drunk and how awful she is and like, I've let it all go. I've let it all go, which is why I can bring it up really on the drop of a dime right now. I've let it all go. I can't believe that Tamara would get mad at me

1:04:40Ronnie Karam: after Tamara accused me of faking cancer with her. You faked cancer with Brooks. What do you, we all know, you admitted to helping Brooks fake cancer at the reunion. You're like, I just wanted a casserole. That's why I did it.

1:04:54Ben Mandelker: Can I interrupt? I just want to say, Vicky, I love you as a friend, and I would love to get the Trace Amigas back together, which, as we know, is you, me, and the toilet. And they really are of a lot of personality. And the thing is that I did to communicate, you know, yesterday when you said, oh, we're not that good of a friend. I did not say that.

1:05:14Ronnie Karam: I did not say that we're good friends. I said I didn't know you in kindergarten.

1:05:19Ben Mandelker: I'm thankful. Yeah, remember yesterday when I brushed off Emily and Gina? And I was like, what? No, we're friends. Well, guess what? I'm down bad.

1:05:30Ronnie Karam: And I'm wondering. Jen's like, well, you know, you guys, thank you so much for having me here. I just love it. Can I just say thank you to this band, Japan, that has had me on stage. This is lovely. So, guys, the accountability factor. Sometimes you just have to fall on a fucking sword. And then you say, ow. That was a sword, Tamara. The ow. You following me?

1:05:52Ben Mandelker: I don't lie. I don't have to fall on a sword because I don't lie, okay? But you don't remember anything, says Jen. Oh, that's... Oh, I really don't remember anything that happened the past three seasons on this show. So nice to see everyone. Where are we again? So Jen's saying, it just sucks. Don't lie.

1:06:09Ronnie Karam: Stop lying about me, Jen. Stop saying I don't remember things. Because Jen's making a brain comment because Vicky went to the NUVO scan, pre-NUVO or whatever, and like, I don't know if the screen is dusty or if you have things on your brain. Oh my god, Vicky has brain spots. She's like, I don't think I have brain spots.

1:06:27Ben Mandelker: But one thing I do like about Jen is that she'll spend like four-fifths of the season being like, Oh, hi, this is so wonderful. I didn't even know we, well, where are we again? This is a beautiful house. And then the moment she gets activated, I love when Jen gets activated because Vicky's like, I don't lie. She goes, well, I don't lie and I'm sick of you for coming out for me. And they're like, whoa, where'd Jen come from? She's like, no, I can do whatever the fuck I want, Vicky. You don't get to talk to me that way.

1:06:49Ronnie Karam: Anyway, this is such a lovely night. I know Jen's being completely lovely and then she's like, well, you have spots on your brain so you don't remember things. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So now Vicky's mad at her. She's like, do not, I will do whatever the fuck I want, Vicky. How dare you speak to me? Like, love your voice. You love your voice. I can't believe you.

1:07:07Ben Mandelker: She's like, my mother was a yeller and she was a hard mother on me. And then we got to like 20 years, literally 20 years ago of Joanne, Vicky's mom being like, oh honey, look at that room. It's a pretty yellow. Yeah. Sort of like your hair. You got the hair of a roof. Nice. Hey, you know what we used to call you? Roof hair.

1:07:28Ronnie Karam: My mom was such a yeller. Her mom's like, oh, you got blonde hair now, huh? It's like not yelling at all.

1:07:34Ben Mandelker: Hey, Vicky, I like this Nissan Sentra. Wow. Except I hate it. Mom, stop it.

1:07:41Ronnie Karam: All right, well, Vicky, I think that we need to have another dinner in Japan where you speak your truth about how offended you are that cameras are the thing that your mom called you hair like roof hair.

1:07:54Ben Mandelker: Wait, so, hey, it's back to me, wherever I am. Hey, it's me. I'm in a costume talking to a lobster and a pig. So I was going to tell you on the ride home last night in the car, she said, well maybe Sydney doesn't talk to her mom because of the way her mom acts it's like, okay, so Emily's of course ready to rip it all back open and then we do see that Vicky did do that it's like, you know

1:08:21Ronnie Karam: cut to Vicky being like, you know what I think that Sydney might not talk to Tamara because she's a terrible human being

1:08:28Ben Mandelker: you know what, she has a sharp tongue and that's, you know, Sydney doesn't like that if you don't like it, Sydney doesn't like it, it all makes sense it's like, oh Vicky, I was actually on your side with this I mean, that's it Sydney did that.

1:08:38Ronnie Karam: Wait a minute. So you're saying that Vicky doubled down on me being a terrible mother to Sydney, Sydney, Sydney?

1:08:44Ben Mandelker: Yes. Yes, she said that.

1:08:47Ronnie Karam: But you know what? Anything you fucking say to Vicky, you watch how I say nothing to Vicky the rest of this episode.

1:08:54Ben Mandelker: I don't want to play dirty with Vicky, but if she wants to play dirty, I can play dirty too.

1:08:58Ronnie Karam: I'm literally dressed like a pig right now. Why don't you ask if Brianna's speaking to her? Hey.

1:09:06Ben Mandelker: Tamara acting like she's reacting like Vicky is the one who went low when it was Tamara who actually introduced this entire line of like questioning or this whole topic and I was like, I'm ready

1:09:19Ronnie Karam: Alright, so now we go get ready to go to the fight at dinner Okay, so they're all getting ready Both teams, everyone's like getting the fighters ready Heather's like, Vicky, you look so good

1:09:36Ben Mandelker: really mad really upset we'll talk about it at dinner so then then um then emily there's this really really weird uncomfortable moment that emily is trying to laugh off but we as the audience are like what the fuck emily's like guys something so funny annabelle sent me this screenshot because She went onto YouTube and she saw Shane's YouTube history and it was a video of how to pleasure her in bed. Isn't that funny?

1:10:03Ronnie Karam: And they show a screenshot. Well, she's not trying to laugh it off. She's putting it on TV. It's so crazy. She's like, look at Shane. Isn't this hilarious? Look at this video. And it's this lady who's like all boobalicious looking into the camera. It's like how to pleasure her in bed.

1:10:19Ben Mandelker: Shannon's putting her hand over the toilet's eyes. Don't look.

1:10:29Ben Mandelker: My name is Jane Francis and I approve that video.

1:10:35Ronnie Karam: Is YouTube a good place for that? I think that explains a lot about modern issues. Finding out how to touch a woman on the YouTube.

1:10:46Ben Mandelker: So this is why I love...

1:10:48Ronnie Karam: There are better places on the internet to look. I want to be peddling porn at you guys, but...

1:10:54Ben Mandelker: This is why I love Shannon for moments like these. Tamara goes into Shannon's room, and Shannon's in a robe, and Tamara's like, are you ready? And Shannon goes, I'm not ready. I burned my thumb. I need ice. By the way, is anyone watching Survivor? You know about thumbs.

1:11:15Ronnie Karam: I just need one more moment to put finishing touches on my Jackie O outfit that I'm wearing in token. What are you wearing? quiet.

1:11:23Ben Mandelker: So then it's, so then now it's sad because Tamara asks Shannon how Archie is doing and Archie is not doing well and it's like a really sad moment. Yeah. And she says that, you know, it's not good. It's not good. The only, the only reason why I found a little bit of amusement in it is because they're like, woo, vacation. Shannon, how's Archie? Not well. He's peeing on himself. You're like, oh, okay.

1:11:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then we go to dinner and they go to this kind of apartment. Oh, it's a hotel room. So everyone comes and they're going to learn how to make sushi. Oh my God.

1:11:58Ben Mandelker: Wait, was anyone else like me waiting for like Emily to put the sushi in her mouth and like have it dangle out and be like, ooh, this is too fancy for me.

1:12:06Ronnie Karam: Can I get a little fire on this? We're going to get a hamburger in the ride.

1:12:15Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like, so we found this incredible non-nobu chef, and she was nice enough to come in and give the poors a little lesson. Gather round, everyone.

1:12:29Ronnie Karam: This lady's making the sushi, and the lady is really giving it her all. She's like, hey, guys, okay. You take the ranch, you put it like this, then you take your two fingers, you slap the fish into the thing. This is what Shane was watching on YouTube, all right?

1:12:50Ben Mandelker: So... Poor people. It's like the same little lady. It's like, oh, God. Again? So they do the sushi thing, and then the chef gets out of there, and so Heather's like, everyone, let's go sit over here and fight. So they go over to this table.

1:13:06Ronnie Karam: We have charcuterie over here. Hey, charge your own cooterie. Hey, I like charcuterie.

1:13:14Ben Mandelker: So they sit down, and Gina's like, I'm like, by the way, Emily sits down, she crosses her legs, and we can see this giant capybara wound that's festering on her shin. It's like... So, Gina's like, I'm like, legit frightened that this is like a Spider-Man situation. Like, I feel bad. And they do the whole thing where they're like, oh my god, Emily's gonna turn into a capybara. And I'm like, I love capybaras, but of course Emily would turn into a boring superhero. Like, uh-oh, capybara woman.

1:13:49Ronnie Karam: that would be a huge improvement actually might I suggest that for next year just fire Emily and bring on the capybara

1:13:57Ben Mandelker: my super

1:14:01Ben Mandelker: my super power is sitting on a sofa and getting bit Heather goes oh that poor leg and I mean that in all senses when you buy dresses make sure the slit is not on that side because it's disgusting for our eyeballs.

1:14:23Ronnie Karam: Re-slit your dress.

1:14:27Ben Mandelker: So they're like all having a nice time and then Tamara's sitting there. She's like stewing, but everyone's ignoring her.

1:14:31Ronnie Karam: I'm so mad right now. Nobody better ask me why I'm mad right now.

1:14:37Ben Mandelker: So in the middle of this riveting, is Emily going to lose her leg from a capybara bite conversation? Tamara's like, okay.

1:14:45Ronnie Karam: We're just gonna keep this up. It's an awkward situation with me and Vicki right now. We're all acting like nothing's wrong.

1:14:50Ben Mandelker: I'm like, actually, they have grave concern for Emily's leg right now, but that's okay.

1:14:56Ronnie Karam: Ready? Everybody seems so awkward. Like, oh, I'm going to cut you in detention. I'm not a Vicki. She's like, oh, my God, I'm exhausted. Been friends for 15 years. Why are we fighting about this stupid stuff again? It's been 20 years. What is wrong with you? She has spots on her brain. How dare you?

1:15:18Ben Mandelker: Okay, we're just talking schematics. Okay, we're just talking schematics.

1:15:22Ronnie Karam: Semantics. Semantics.

1:15:27Ben Mandelker: Talented and smart. Well, I say schematics. I've decided. But schematics is drawing.

1:15:38Ben Mandelker: Schematics is insurance.

1:15:40Ronnie Karam: Insurance people say whatever they want. I thought when we became friends again, Tamara, we were putting the past in the past. Okay? Which is why I'm upset that you accused me of helping Brooks take cancer. Five years ago. But if you can tell me what I said about you that hurt you, I'd be more than happy to apologize. Brooks, Brooks, you said it was a cancer scam. Yeah, but I said to Shannon, you're not mad at her. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wow, don't try to get me down bad. Do you remember? This show has always been so ham-handed with the moving the plot forward. Do you remember that season where Brooks was faking cancer?

1:16:23Ronnie Karam: He's like, you guys can't be mean to me. I've got cancer. And they're like, oh my God. So Tamara, I think Tamara was talking with like his ex or something. It was like, he's just faking it. He's been faking cancer for years. So Tamara couldn't say that. So she's like, hey everybody, let's go to a psychic together. And they go to the psychic and the psychic's like, I think one of your friends is dating someone who's faking cancer. I know.

1:16:49Ben Mandelker: That was just the... Nothing has been like a flimsier thing than that. It's so good. That was the best. So, Tamra, Vicky's like, Tamra, I mean, what do you want? You want to get an army against me? Like, go for it. Go for it.

1:17:08Ronnie Karam: Are you fucking kidding me right now, Vicky? You think I want to do it? I'm not scared of you, Gemma. Don't do that. I'm not scared. I'm not scared about... I'm not talking about being scared about you. I didn't cause a rift between you and Sydney.

1:17:24Ben Mandelker: To me, it's like... Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney.

1:17:29Ronnie Karam: I repeated something that she said on the internet. Listen, one thing I read every day is Facebook. I saw it. Watch your mouth. Watch your mouth. Why are you talking to you like that? You cannot tell me to watch my mouth. I'm talking to you, watch it, man Do not point at me like I'm your child But don't talk about my daughter Oh yeah, if I was your daughter, I wouldn't even be talking to you right now I'd be somewhere else in peace Listen, I'll tell you what we're talking about We're talking about hypocrisy I'm bullshit, bullshit, bullshit I'm bullshit, bullshit I'm bullshit, bitch Hypocrisy, bullshit, bullshit

1:18:28Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry I don't get up and dance, but my ass crack is literally on the floor right now.

1:18:36Ben Mandelker: You know, Ronnie, every time I get up and dance and you don't dance, you know how I feel? Montreal.

1:18:47Ronnie Karam: I would do that at my own wedding. Just go first dance yourself, okay? Can we have another mother and son?

1:18:55Ben Mandelker: Yes, by the way, we will be milking hypocrisy and bullshit for the next tour. The rest of our lives. tour. The rest of this tour, at some point, every show, we will be getting up and doing that dance. I don't care where it's.

1:19:10Ronnie Karam: Manipulation!

1:19:14Ronnie Karam: This is just bullshit. Okay, so everybody leaves because they're just exhausted. You know, so Vicky and Shannon stay there and Vicky's like, this is bullshit. Bullshit. I didn't come to Japan for this. You fucking ruined my trip. I'm not doing this. I don't even know what it is. I can't take it anymore. You forgot what you did to me. You forgot about saying I have a cancer. Okay, but Vicky, Vicky, Vicky, look, look, look, look. I do not have the strength.

1:19:41Ben Mandelker: I do not have the strength. Use your eyes, use your eyes, use your eyes. Okay, Vicky, come here. Come here, come here, Vicky. Okay. I think that every single person in this group could say that they've been hurt by Tamara. So I get it. But I also want Vicky to understand that Tamara wants to feel 100 % certainty that an apology is genuine. and I'm on Tamara's side now because Vicky said she sort of likes me.

1:20:02Ronnie Karam: Okay. So now Shannon and Vicky go to the room that Tamara's in and Vicky's like, okay, Tamara, Shannon is making me make up with you. We've only got one day in Japan. Let's make up. She's like, okay, but if you want to sit down and talk as friends, I'm happy to do that.

1:20:19So then Shannon goes downstairs

1:20:23Ben Mandelker: and Gina's like, where have you been? And she's like, well, Vicky walked out, and then I found her outside, and I thought you guys were out there. And then she said, I'm leaving, and then I said, if you want this to end, you need to have a conversation now. They're like, get to the point, Shannon. Did she leave? No, no, she's up there.

1:20:42Ronnie Karam: So then we go back to Vicky and Tamara. You don't respect me. I don't respect you. You don't respect me. You put your finger in my face. But you know what you would do? You would go on your podcast and say I would rather be famous than have a relationship with my daughter, bitch. Oh, my God. Well, it was a year and a half ago, and that's what Sydney said. I read it on Facebook. My daughter didn't say that, so watch what you say. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. And then today you doubled down. What is Facebook? What is Facebook? You doubled down. You doubled down with your schematics. I don't know.

1:21:15Ronnie Karam: I don't recall. I don't recall. It was huge. I was, like, watching Jeopardy. They're doing Daily Double, but they took the Daily out and put it down. and they put it under the double and became double down. That's what you did. Double down. It was like double down, but with the down. It's like a tartar fighting. Can we go somewhere where they're not trying to feed me fish? Please. Raw fish. Can we go somewhere where they cook things? Please. You know, you know what they say, those in glass houses. What do they say? They shouldn't throw stones. I don't know. Those people in glass houses should have insurance.

1:21:46Ronnie Karam: That's what I'm always saying. It's on the bubble. You have no problem going to people as mothers. It's like, oh, please, I've never gone after anybody as a mother except for Carmella like three weeks ago.

1:21:59Ben Mandelker: And then Vicky tells us this. Again, I love these quotes. She goes, the last 16 years that I've known Tamara, she's hurt me with so many things through my divorce. It was dating Brooks. I mean, spreading a rumor out that I have brain damage.

1:22:15Ben Mandelker: And that was just this year. I know. And she goes, I know why Sydney isn't talking to her because she can have a really flippant angry tongue. Or maybe that's just the brain damage to speaking. I don't know.

1:22:27Ronnie Karam: No, wait, Tamara. I just can't do this anymore. I don't even care if your daughter hates you. Okay. I don't even care. Let's just forget it. And she's like, okay. Look at me. We should have had this conversation seven months ago. And we would have. Except that your brain was so soft and pained.

1:22:46Ben Mandelker: But Tamara does this whole thing. This is classic Tamara. She's so angry. She's so angry. and Vicky's just like, what do you want me to do? And then Tamra just gets up. It's like, you poor sweet brain,

1:22:56Ronnie Karam: dare me so.

1:22:58Ben Mandelker: And hugs her. Like, it's okay. Hush now, hush.

1:23:03Ronnie Karam: Eternal sleep. Okay. I guess we made up again. Maybe we can do a cabaret show together. Trust me, guys. Try it again. I'm not doing a stupid cabaret show, Vicky. Can we make a pact?

1:23:16Ben Mandelker: Okay. Whatever the end result is, let's just keep on doing this that's what Shannon says I don't know

1:23:25Ronnie Karam: let's just keep doing it we're out of here well I guess we will say tomorrow we'll have fun alright tomorrow at breakfast don't forget to remind me that Vicky said she didn't know you in kindergarten you're going to be so upset about it

1:23:42Ben Mandelker: 3, 2, 1, Alfredo hypocrisy and bullshit

1:24:05Ben Mandelker: I'm sad. Hypocrisy and bullshit. David? Thank you!

1:24:11Ronnie Karam: I'm glad to have some more townies. Thank you so much for the time.

1:24:16Ben Mandelker: Good night everybody! Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night! Thank you Detroit

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