#3584 RHONY S16E7: Watch What Curses

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1:51Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to watch i'm ben mandelker and joining me today on a very very very special day of podcasting because it's just ultra new yorky it's the one and only ronnie carham hi ronnie how are you well hello what's up um brah i'm great i'm amped up we have a very special uh day of podcasting because today right now what you're listening to is the roni recap and then afterwards we will have our golden life recap so we're really it's it's like high octane roni people today and very excited to go into all of that um also excited because we're in the middle of our tour we've already done four cities just like that and uh in november we're going to philadelphia and dc and then after that we're going to be doing like a texas bonanza austin houston dallas so come get all your tickets come see us go to watch for crappens.com we have so much fun uh when we go on the road also shout out to kempire we love kempire i went on to his show yesterday that's going to be dropping on youtube at some point and then he's coming on to watch your order today we're going to tape later today and uh we're going to be recording the biggest bravo feuds of all time which is that's a big topic, but I'm excited to discuss that.

3:20Ben Mandelker: That episode will probably be up next week, and for right now, the new episode is with Laura Marie Shanhals talking about the top five housewives songs, which is very top of mind with hypocrisy and bullshit blazing up the charts. Anyway, the point is, we've got a lot of stuff happening, and of course, there's our Patreon bonus episodes. This week's bonus episode, we're going to talk about Vanderpump Rules, Lisa Las Vegas it's a three part series that's going to break the internet with all the exciting moments like Lisa makes a floral arrangement or Lisa oversees a car being lowered down a ramp things like that where's the wallpaper with my face

4:04Ronnie Karam: we're also on tour we will be hitting we are already hitting the road but we're going to be in a lot of places in November We'll be in Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Austin, and Houston. That's all in November. Then in December, we're in Nashville, Clearwater, Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco, Salt Lake City. Well, I ran into January, but whatever. You'll hear your city. Denver, Atlanta, Charleston, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, Toronto, Boston. And then we end with the Golden Crappies in New York City on February 25th. So go get your tickets at watchwhatcrawpins.com. We'll see you in a couple weeks for that stuff.

4:47Ronnie Karam: I know.

4:47Ben Mandelker: So back to Roni. We're back on this island. We had a very explosive episode last week. Epstein files, this, and, you know, whatever. There was just, like, queefing out your lies, that. You know, a lot of stuff was happening. Broken glass everywhere. So now it's going to be the aftermath. And we're on night two of the Mosquito Island trip. And so everyone's getting ready for dinner. Psy is icing her knee because amidst all the chaos of last week's episode, it ended with them playing goofy tennis and Psy hurting her knee. I don't think we ever got a diagnosis. Did she sprain it? Did she break it?

5:27Ben Mandelker: What happened to Psy's knee? I don't know, but I was worried about it all week.

5:30Ronnie Karam: I was worried about it all week. What happened to Psy? Is Psy okay? I mean, they just blacked it out right when she hurt herself. I thought, what is going to happen? She hurt her ankle So Erin and Daisy's room Well first Hayley is the one taking care of Cy And Cy's like Are you vaping? She's like no So then we go to Erin and Daisy's And Daisy has found Basically all she needs For her last day on the strip Which is a roach Because she's already trying to Be like Martha would never, Martha would never come to this place. Martha Stewart would never deal with this kind of dinner. And now she's got a roach, a roach in her room.

6:19Yeah.

6:20Ben Mandelker: And so Carol comes and is like, okay, I'll take care. It's just a small roach. Which, by the way, the small roaches are the ones you have to worry about. Those are the ones that invest your houses. The big ones are the ones that look the grossest. But those are the ones that largely stay out on the street. But either way, Carol's like, I'll kill you.

6:38Ronnie Karam: Those come into your house. Yes, in my last apartment, those roaches were everywhere. That apartment was from 1920, so it was pretty old, and they could find places to hide. The big ones that are like this big? The big, big ones that you see on the street? Humongous. Yes, one time I came home drunk. I mean, this was years ago, so probably like 10 years ago. But I had been drinking, and I came home, and there was a giant one on the archway to go into my kitchen. and I was videoing it and talking to it. And it's head was so huge. It felt like it was talking back. And someone in the comment was like, Ronnie, please, please take this down.

7:18Ronnie Karam: There are certain things that you shouldn't be doing when you're drunk. And one is talking to a gigantic cockroach, like it's your good friend. I was like, hey, how's it going? This guy's party. He's having a good set. Am I right?

7:32Ben Mandelker: I'll never forget that. That's their thing. That's fair. Cute. Well, either way, Daisy's grossed out. That's like a further piece of evidence for why this island is a piece of trash. But Carol's like, I'll kill it. I'll kill it. But then she tries to step on it. And I love that Carol's so feeble that even when she steps on a roach with all her might, the roach is like, thanks for the back massage. And just keeps on walking away. Yeah.

7:56Ronnie Karam: The roach is like, your tube socks are too thick to get me. That was just like a cushion coming down on my head. Thank you for that. You are in the Epstein files. That was traumatizing.

8:09Ben Mandelker: Before you kill me, I have to know, am I being killed with someone who's part of an international sex trafficking ring? I need to know these things.

8:17Ronnie Karam: It's kind of funny watching someone who's a real housewife of New York City be so freaked out by a roach. Yeah, especially with popcorn ceilings.

8:30Ben Mandelker: I think that roach is here because it smells popcorn. over in jessel's room she's getting ready and she says this day it's been a lot we had a lot we had like a broken knee i found out my husband was gay and i'm so upset that aaron is responsible for spreading this rumor it's just like ruthus i would say um and then and then over back with daisy and aaron um daisy's saying how much she loves carol's hair she's like thanks there's so much hairspray in it i feel like i'm a stripper like si hashtag checkered past si had such a checkered past she could have been friends with gislin you know what i mean carol's whole wow how could anybody be so disrespectful and then try what she's trying

9:26Ronnie Karam: today is a lot for sure. Carol's also been melting down all over social media, which has been super fun. Commenting on podcasters and bloggers' accounts and stuff. She commented on Noor, our friend Noor, on the reality is. She was like, I don't even have PR, you bitch! And then people really went in on her there. She's all over the place. She's handling this really well in case anybody's worried for Carol. Yeah.

9:56Ben Mandelker: She's really, you know, really leaning into 2026 social media and things. So Carol, they're talking about being hungry. And Daisy's laughing that her Manjaro expired because she's starving. And Carol's like, well, because every time there's a meal, you guys all start fighting like animals. I mean, that sushi spread at lunch today, no one ate a thing. And we do see that. We had seen that that spread was floated out to them. but what we also see is that they had that whole fight and that lady was just sitting there in the pool with these two trays of floating sushi and no one was touching it as it went rancid in the hot

10:35Ronnie Karam: sun yeah i don't want to eat sushi sitting under the sun either you know but also what do you expect this is a real housewives show why are you serving them that much food in the middle of a fight. So, um, Aaron's like, guys, what happened earlier today really brought me the wrong way. It's like, it was so mean. It was so mean. It was like the meanest thing that's, like, ever happened to me.

11:03Ben Mandelker: Like, how Sai brought it up, she said despicable things about your husband. And Kara's like, I wanted to know what it was! I have not said a word about Jussel's husband in fucking three years, and if she's talking about a rumor that I heard three years ago that I told her, in confidence, which I just like, if the thesis statement is, you've said awful, awful things about Poppet, and Erin's defense is, no, I have not said awful, awful things, well, at least not since three years ago, and I did say that, but I only said it to you. So you did say awful things at some point, and the Cy's whole point is that like you say terrible things about people behind their back who cares if it was three years ago three years ago you were still filming the show that's sort of like part of like it was hoping

11:55Ronnie Karam: that would come out yeah but size also been fine with it for all of this time until she's mad and then she takes shit talking and she uses it against you and so i'm actually team erin on this one which is extremely rare but i don't know this is the size the one who brought it up on tv which is way worse and I feel like if you're talking about if I'm talking shit to you and look I tell you so you listen if I don't talk shit to anybody as much as I do you you know every horrible thought of my mind and if in three years you got mad at me for something and you're like Ronnie said this horrible thing about you that would be to me the worst betrayal especially if you did it on TV because you're my safe space

12:40Ben Mandelker: well I guess now would be a good time to say Diane Wiest I hate to tell you this, but my podcast partner has said so much shit about you. No, but I do I totally get that. I mean, they're both kind of miserable. I think that, yeah, Cy bringing up like Aaron you know, Aaron talking shit as if Cy wasn't a complicit partner in that is shitty. And I do think that it was really shitty that that Cy was the one who quote unquote outed Povit uh even though it's under the guise of saying that Aaron was the one who spread the rumor so like Cy is completely complicit I also think later on when she says look when when when you just tell it to me as just the two of us that's fine I can like whatever you just told me but like when you start just like then telling anyone it puts me in a bad position because then it's like hey Cy did you know about this then why didn't you say something right so like i kind of felt like that was a very salient point as well the points are both really messy and dirty and what i don't like about aaron here is that she's acting like she's not messy at all she's acting like what why would she even say that i don't even i don't even do she's making it seem like i do all these things and i never do them and if i did do them i did them three years ago so the statute of limitations has expired that's

14:06Ronnie Karam: true but to your point about um cy hearing that aaron was telling everybody aaron didn't tell everybody she just threatened to when she was like um the things i know about jessel are marriage ruining so she just threatened to but you you know i think ultimately you're right you know and the other point to this which i didn't even bring up last week but for a long time people say oh aaron the reason Cy is so pissed at Aaron is because of the divorce news, because not only was Aaron talking about it at a party, but Aaron, well, apparently Abe is the lawyer for Dumois. I guess he's Dumois' lawyer or whatever.

14:48Ronnie Karam: So they're really close. Dumois, I think, is offensive. Sorry, not offensive. Dumois is like a part of this company, the Mezcal company, or something like that so when it comes to gossip and who told who the rumor is that size really pissed because aaron has supposedly been talking to do one that's how this stuff got out which makes a lot more sense so now we need a dream war for do moi

15:21Ben Mandelker: we need a tramoire

15:26Ben Mandelker: so much so much moi is happening um yeah well that was that's a fun that's a fun little uh backstory there but either way erin is now trying to prove her case that like what i bet i only talked shit once it was like three years ago whatever and she's like and why would she even bring that out there do you know what i mean and daisy's like well maybe she needed fighting words and those were her fighting words. Well, that's fucked up. You know, I think Sai is 100 % getting back at me because she thinks that I spoke about her divorce when actually I responded then spoke about her divorce. Big difference.

16:03Ben Mandelker: So she's exposing something that I told her in confidence about Jessel, and that's a terrible friend. That's a friend that I want as far away from me as humanly possible. I mean, I don't think Aaron's necessarily wrong on this one. As long as we're going to prosecute every single thing that Aaron says this episode, you know, Psy was upset that she thinks that Aaron was gossiping about her relationship, so Psy then fires back with a, oh, by the way well, Aaron's been going around saying that your husband's gay it is actually pretty shitty it's actually really shitty

16:34Ronnie Karam: yeah, and also for this whole cast, and I guess I would say the last cast the original reboot cast second reboot cast, you know what I mean if you if they all heard three years ago that somebody's husband is getting blowjobs in the steam room why didn't they bring this to the show i mean i guess that at one hand i'm pissed that si is the one outing somebody but on the other hand this is real housewives yeah why are we hearing about this expired news you know this is old like it maybe it would have been fun three years ago but it's like old blowjob rumors you Who even remembers who they got a blowjob three years ago?

17:15Ronnie Karam: I need current blowjob rumors.

17:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you're right. It's always very upsetting when you learn that there was actually some good, juicy content just sitting on the editing room floor that they did not use. And instead we had to watch endless scenes of Brynn moving a cuckoo clock into her apartment. Oh my god, it's made of wood. I love wood. my entire apartment is made out of balls I've got ball lights ball lamp, ball decorations ball pillow, I love balls oh goodness so now it's time for dinner and um, Cy is she's in crutches and she's trying to walk across this like little flagstone bridge through the water, and Cy's like You know, I need this vacation more than everyone.

18:09And now that I'm over here with one leg, I got too many problems right now, okay? I'm just trying to get a divorce. Like, that's all I want to do is get a fucking divorce and have a hot divorce summer next year, okay?

18:23Ronnie Karam: So everybody comes out. Erica comes out looking great. I mean, she's in the J-Lo green dress, and it's flowing, and she's having like a confident, gorgeous lady moment. And then it gets caught in a cactus. And she's like, guys, I need serious help.

18:42Ben Mandelker: I need help. I need help. I'm caught in a cactus. And they're just like, they're just watching her. It's like, I think it's, was it Haley? Haley and Cyra just sitting on a sofa. She's like, guys, I need help. No, I need help. I'm like, what? Am I supposed to tell us? No, I need help. After John and Kate Plus 8.

19:03Ronnie Karam: You know who didn't help me? Anybody after the Gosling scandal, which I can't escape. Jessa was sitting there and they're like, oh gosh, she was like really in trouble. She's like, oh. I'm not getting up. That's too bad. So Erin comes over and she's like, oh, I feel really weird about what happened with the shit you said in the pool sign. You know, I want to know exactly what's happening. I have not talked about your husband at all. At all. In all these years. And so I was like, that is a lie. Well, really, what have I said about Povet recently to you? Okay, well, you said terrible things about her husband.

19:47Ronnie Karam: Okay, but what have I said about her husband recently, though? About recently. Recently. Recently. It's like, I'm not going to repeat it because it's despicable. Despicable, disgusting, horrific. Oh, God, you'll want to get, God, get, claw your eyeballs out. Stick nails in your ears, slit your throat. Oh, my God. Probably the worst thing that anyone could say about someone else. I don't even want to say it. It's amazing that three little letters can make such a horrific word.

20:19Gay. No, no.

20:22Ronnie Karam: Ready? Just spontaneously combust. Homosexuals. No. Uh, so Aaron's just trying to get Psy to be the one to say it on camera, you know, which Psy already has. So I don't think Aaron really does. So Aaron's like, uh, well, what did I say exactly now? Why did I say that? And what was the day? And what was the time of that day? Was it recently? And Jess was like, but here's the thing, Aaron. Did you say what you said in front of Chris? It's like, how's that? Her makeup artist. Everyone knows if you shit talk somebody That is one thing but if you shit talk In front of a makeup artist How dare you

21:04Ben Mandelker: Honestly I don't know what she's Talking about did you say My husband's gay Oh she said it oh she said the word Oh god this island's gonna get Swallowed up into the Caribbean ocean I do

21:18Ronnie Karam: Think Jessla pointing out Like you did say this in front of A glam person because that's not private i mean for obvious reasons but also as glam people just kidding we're not glam people but as gays i feel like if you say something like that in front of one of us of course we're going to go tell people what do you think we're what do you think we're working for you for yeah the money no we're here for the dirt the dirt so uh carol's like oh this rumor is not news to me this rumor is so old this rumor predates recorded history i don't know if carol is reading off a cue card or what but it's funny that she keeps stumbling over her lines while she's trying to be you know wave her finger around metaphorically she's like it's literally on cave drawings that's how old the rumor is that rumor is so old it it was emailing galane Max, well, I used to talk about it with Caroline Bissette.

22:21Ben Mandelker: And so I first heard it from Mason. It was this my salesperson at the real, real years ago. And then they show the guy who told Daisy she couldn't buy that jacket. Yeah. Sorry. Someone just bought this. Sorry. And now it was probably Carol. Carol probably bought it right from under her.

22:41Ronnie Karam: No, it was the first episode of the season when Daisy was trying to buy that jacket. And he's like, you can't buy this jacket. It was bought online. Remember?

22:52Ben Mandelker: I know.

22:52Ronnie Karam: I'm saying Carol bought it online in that moment. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I misunderstood you. I was getting my jacket. I was using my Mason Connect. It's so old. It doesn't even hear a real, real joke. It's so old that I'm not even going to reference real, real. I heard it from my makeup person at Prez. How old is it? It's so old that when they said, I've got to spin a towel for you, they were literally spinning it on a spinning wheel that makes thread to make a sweater in olden times. Well, I'm not bringing this shit up because I would never bring this shit up. I gay shame people in private.

23:38But you said it, Erin. You said it.

23:40Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, I would never bring it up. It's Sai who's bringing it up. And I think it is despicable. Oh, so I'm despicable now?

23:49Ben Mandelker: Yes, I'm not. I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and is despicable on you.

23:59Ronnie Karam: So, by the way, Erin hasn't sat down because she's trying to have, like, a big housewife's tell-off moment. So they're sitting down and she's standing above them. She's like, this is despicable. And I'm done. I'm done. This is like so horrible. I'm like done with this. It's like the man's experience ever happened. And so she's like, waves her finger and walks off. And Sai's like, you don't want to talk about it? You came here because you said you wanted to talk. We were supposed to follow you. I can't move my leg. Alright? That was, yeah, thanks for the talk. That was great. It was really great.

24:31We really got places. Aaron's like, oh my God, enough. Oh my God, enough. What was the point of that? What a fucking crazy person, and Ryan saying despicable things. I'm just so exhausted.

24:44Ronnie Karam: So now Sai and Aaron are shouting at each other at a distance. And Sai's like, what are you telling everyone? We're gross? And she's like, no, you, you aren't gross. You're the one who's gross. I ain't saying we. You talk about people behind their backs. That is what you do. You talk about people behind their backs. So do you. What did I say? Everybody talks about everybody, Sai. No, but you talk about serious personal things. Unlike me, who only talks about the things that you say on camera, but I make my makeup person say it instead of me. That's the difference. You say my business. You say her business.

25:24You know what? I see a Freddy. I see what I'm a shitty friend you are, and I'll never forget it. And we're done. We're done. I don't care. Write it down in your diary.

25:35Ronnie Karam: That's very Vanderpump Rules, Charlie. I couldn't help but wonder, am I not the only one with a diary on this cast?

25:44Ben Mandelker: So, um, now it's awkward. And Jess is like, I feel like I'm literally in psycho jungle right now. And so it's like, because we are constantly being lied to and manipulated. It's like literally like naked and afraid, except we like look really chic. It's like chic and afraid. Or maybe more like chic and despicable, right? So then they just are sitting there. it's like awkward and strange and that's how they finished their first night that night

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29:12Ronnie Karam: I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

29:18Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about stress. Imagine performing a cabaret ten times a week.

29:23Ronnie Karam: Or learning a 17th language like French Peruvian. Bon Gisissimo.

29:29Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy.

29:34Ronnie Karam: It's a great way to shift your mood.

29:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say, what do I have to watch? Now I'm all about, how do I want to feel?

29:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

29:50Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

30:02Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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30:20Ronnie Karam: That's how Prime gives us the power to just not find the feeling we crave, but also to let us experience it to the fullest. I'm having 30 to 40 positive feelings. Wow! Shows you can't wait for, deliveries you don't wait for. From streaming to fast shipping, it's on Prime. So the next morning, Haley's like, oh my god, I know Cy had a really difficult time with her knee, so I didn't want to bother her in her room, but I had to pee, so I peed in a cup. And then, I don't know who it was, but I think someone drank out of it the next day. This is disgusting and horrifying.

31:01Ben Mandelker: And you should be heard. yeah that's the story was funny until she's like oh i think someone drank out of it like

31:12girl yeah that's not that's not funny that's assault when you're fired and also how could you walk down to well i mean i'm assuming she went to the kitchen or something if she

31:25Ronnie Karam: got a cup peed in it and poured it down the drain unless she means in someone's bathroom which is even worse but i'm sure there's a guest bathroom go downstairs i don't know maybe she was just trying to be funny but i i don't know there's crossing the line when you make me drink someone's

31:41Ben Mandelker: pee you know yeah yeah that's just like just go pee just go very upset about it very very upset

31:51Ronnie Karam: So then Carol comes down And she's got like a big black leather folder thingy And Carol's like, wow, I just love the island I love islands, especially when they're private or secret

32:11Ben Mandelker: And Erica's like, well, I'm glad everyone's having a good time, I think She's like, why wouldn't they be? Well, I just feel like Daisy's been judging me and the house and everything that's been going on. And I was just like, you know what? I'm just going to have fun and try to not be involved in that drama. And so then we see that last night at dinner. Daisy's still complaining about the cockroach. She's like, you know what? I really don't want that cockroach coming back in my luggage with me. That would be the worst thing of all time. Then I would know this is a real shit trash island. I mean, I always thought it was.

32:42Ben Mandelker: But now I really know it's a garbage, garbage island. And Erica was like, whatever.

32:48Ronnie Karam: I wish it was a scorpion that bit you. It's a private island. Get over it, poor person. So then back to the present, Carol's like, yeah, it was like crazy. I don't understand how a group of friends can yell at each other like that. Oh, God. You're back on Real Housewives. It's not like it's your first time. And this cast is nothing compared to the last one. What are you so surprised at?

33:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you were at the Berserkshires. You were at the Berserkshires. I don't know what you're acting so shell-shocked by. So then Carol's like, it's like we had to pretend that it didn't happen because now then all of a sudden last night they're all just happy. And I'm like, are you guys even okay? And I mean like Jessel mumbled something and Aaron didn't want to talk about it. Like what's going on? And Erica's like, yeah, no one brought it up. Like I'm not understanding this vibe right now. Hashtag vibes. hashtag hashtag good vibes only hashtag get ready with me in the morning hashtag sitting on counters i'm hip hashtag clapping but only using two fingers going together

34:01i'm surprised that jessel's not upset with sigh sigh made it public so i agree with carol on this one that was a bigger betrayal i'm not feeling sigh at all but also because you know sigh's the

34:15Ronnie Karam: only one questioning you on this epstein shit yes yesterday at breakfast you missed this whole conversation so i brought up the epstein files i'm like no you did when you were like you brought it up you googled me you see the craziest things right dot dot dot dot dot dot dot i said if you Google me, you see the craziest things.

34:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, uh-huh. Hey, does anyone want to Google me and see what pops up? Because I've got something to say about it.

34:48If you go on AOL News, it's the top story. She was peppering you. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, I was going to say I just got a newsletter from hotbot.com. Keep going. It's probably the same one.

35:07I went out the street and there was a little boy with newspapers saying extra extra carols on the Epstein files. So, imagine me logging on to earthlings.net and there's my name. A pigeon showed up at my window with a little tiny scroll rubber banded to his foot and it said carols in the Epstein. files. Can't even believe it.

35:40Ben Mandelker: So, um, so, uh, she's saying, yeah, like, so I brought it up and, uh, and then she was peppering me with questions as though she thought I was like a criminal. And Erica's like, what? Like, she was accusatory, like, in a judgy way. No, accusatory in a very neutral way. I think it's part of that. please tell me she wasn't accusatory in a judgy way yeah well she could have come to me as a friend and instead you know i mean look i've talked i've talked about i've talked about it to the new york times it's not like i'm shying away from it carol yes you have definitely shied away for it

36:22Ronnie Karam: for from it for years because they were questioning you about this in the other real housewives of new york and you're like well she's just a girl i mean she just took my book cover because i met her at a party or something i don't even know her to now well you know we were friends but barely barely knew her now well she was one of my best girlfriends but 20 years ago too i didn't know and i've never even heard of jeffrey epstein at all of these parties of billionaires that i used to go to as I was part of the Kennedy family. Like, you're clearly full of shit. Just stop dancing around. Don't bring it up and then expect people not to question you.

37:03Ronnie Karam: And also, have better answers prepared. Yeah. Well, of all of everyone, like, for Simey City and Judgment, like, I mean, I don't judge her. I mean, I read her sub-stacks and she wrote about Daddy Warp. Warbucks Warbucks Warbucks Well this guy Daddy Warbucks Gave her like $10 ,000 Just to sue her And there's like A link to the post And I Well Anyway I didn't I didn't want to read it So But I read it anyway And so there's a story Okay The point is this Okay The point is this There's a story about Daddy Warbucks That Cy wrote on her Substack And it was scandalous basically she's accusing of sigh being a prostitute she's like well sigh i mean she was with a rich guy paying her ten thousand dollars just to sit with her am i curious about daddy warbucks sure am i curious about whether she was really a bartender or she was up on the pole sure and then they just show multiple pictures of sigh behind a bar at scores dressed sexually But I'm not going to accuse her of it.

38:16Ronnie Karam: Okay, you think you really got one over on somebody here, but who cares if she was a prostitute? That's not even the accusation about you. And I wouldn't even care if she's a prostitute. You're not accused of prostitution or knowing a prostitute. You are accused of knowing a human trafficker of underage people. so to come in here and try and like slut shame somebody for something from a long time ago is legit crazy and i don't know how she thinks she's gonna win anybody ever on that i or with it i mean

38:50Ben Mandelker: i actually i actually interpreted it as her saying well i mean she was sort of doing two things at once she was kind of doing the i'm not i would never insinuate anything i'm just merely stating some facts so it was like a very classic real housewives thing of like not me so i thought that was kind of funny because I just love when Real Housewives do that. But I actually think that her broader point was like, look, I actually could shame you right now because this is something you did in your past. But the point is that was 20 years, you did something 20 years ago. That has no bearing on who you are now.

39:26Ben Mandelker: I mean, doesn't, I should, everything has bearing on who we are now, right? But that would be ridiculous if I was like, but Sai, Sai, you worked at this place 20 years ago, but Sai, Sai. So I think the point she's trying to make is like, you know, what happened? Like, this is something that happened ages ago, just as that was something that was ages ago. And I'm not going to slut shame you for it, but I sort of am at the same time.

39:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she is, though. She's saying she sat with a guy for$10 ,000. I mean, she's saying she was a prostitute and a stripper and trying to use it. Like, I could have used that against her. No, that's not the same thing at all. And also, you read that because Cy wrote about it on her sub stack. It wasn't a secret that was outed like yours was. It wasn't all of this stuff that was released. Psy is upfront about that stuff. You're not. You're lying about it. So Carol trying to A, slut shame, and then B, say this is the same thing. No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all, lady. Your stuff got outed in a huge international scandal, and now you're backtracking on how well you knew anybody or who you even knew.

40:34Ronnie Karam: And Cy may or may not have stripped. Those are not the same thing. And it's crazy that she's trying to take something criminal and horrible, like human trafficking, and comparing it to a woman going out with a man free will for$10 ,000. Or stripping. Or working at a strip bar. No, no.

40:58Ben Mandelker: So now we head over to the beach. And ladies are getting on golf carts. and there's an awkward exchange between Aaron and Si and Daisy. And Si's like, you know, I'm at a point with Aaron. I'm just going to have to be very surface level with our friendship. And I generally don't trust her enough to tell her any of my personal business. It's like, you know, fool me once, shame on you kind of sort of thing, you know? Fool me twice kind of, like, shame on you sort of kind of thing, you know, what's about her? I don't know, someone, those kind of things. You know what I'm saying?

41:27Ronnie Karam: so carol comes up and she's wearing these gigantic thick tube socks they're like wool tube socks too they're not just you know like your simple adidas these are like crazy thick like christmas stockings tube socks and they're like oh my god what are you wearing what are you wearing if you were someone's husband no one would accuse you of being gay i'll tell you that right now I don't like my feet

41:54Ben Mandelker: So they go down to the beach And O 'Neill is there And now he's there to teach them Like sea bobs and sailing and all that stuff And Haley tells us I love sailing Ruben and I, we have two yachts Princess Haley 1 and Princess Haley 2 And then we have a sailboat And I'm an Aquarius, you know Because aqua means water She like lifts her finger up Fun fact something you may not have known. Aqua. Water. Yeah. So Aquarius.

42:25Ronnie Karam: And I'm basically a yacht. My sign is yacht. She's like, I'm a Scorpio. So Ruben owns giant scorpions and they hurt. It hurts.

42:37Ben Mandelker: He also bought me tickets to see the scorpions. And let me just say.

42:46Ben Mandelker: God, I love that song.

42:50Ronnie Karam: so we see water toys fun and games carol goes on the c-bob this that's what they are right the c-bob thing that takes you you hold on to the handles and then it swims for you they've got like a little camera on the front of it just catching carol's face and she's like oh

43:09Ben Mandelker: getting water in her face what's the opposite of a hundred foot wave remember that documentary the hundred foot wave this is the opposite of that it's like that two inch splash

43:27Ronnie Karam: and it keeps cutting back to isn't this the most glamorous vacation anybody's ever been on and back to carol just getting shit in her mouth and then she gets stuck in a sandbar because she she gets beached she's like i'm stuck you know what the best part of that is she's on her seabob holding on to it and she's beached on the sandbar and she's like help i'm stuck and then we see

43:52Ben Mandelker: o 'neill come by she's like 10 feet from like the beach and it's just like ankle deep water and then he comes by and he gives her a hand and then she just gets up i'm like carol you could have stood up by yourself that you at first we thought she was like off off of the depths of the ocean and No, she was just at the edge of the surf.

44:12Ronnie Karam: Like, ma 'am, I think these tube socks are weighing you down. They're inhibiting you. So she joins Cy on the beach, and it's just them, and it's really awkward. Well, Cy's not awkward, though. She's just smiling and staring right at Carol, like, Oh, you enjoying your vacation? Isn't this fun? Well, I mean, like, yeah, it's, like, so fun. And, you know, Erica's house is so gorgeous. Yeah, she's a sweet person Right? Yeah, she's a really good person And I'm at the point in my life Where I just want good vibes Good vibes Good vibes Yeah, I get it Because I'm at a point in my life Where I would also like good vibes Who is in the period of their life Where they would like bad vibes I would like good vibes as well I know

45:04Ben Mandelker: I could go for some bad vibes right now So Carol's like yeah You know I was thinking about our conversation Yesterday and Cy's like about what About the radioactive Epstein files What do you think

45:19Ronnie Karam: About your work store I love that Cy's smiling At her too like about what You know she's like let's watch Carol try this shit you know So she's like well the radioactive Epstein files

45:36she's like listen i mean i understand you know i mean as a reporter i mean if i knew someone who knew jelaine maxwell i'd be so curious i'd ask questions like is she really a monster

45:49Ben Mandelker: why does she have an s in her name so then uh why does she have luann's hair

46:00Did she ever live on the lane And if she did would that be Jelaine on the lane How do these things work Was she just a girl A girl in the city Who loves shoes So Carol's like The city bullshit Carol Okay right so you get it You get YIS She's like yeah but I mean do you feel safe around me I mean what's going on here No I mean you said you decided the story It's fine Yeah but like the questions They were like really shitty

46:34Ronnie Karam: And I like Sai's answer here Because she's just smiling right back at her And she's like well seeing your name is something That's just so serious I mean it's kind of Off-putting in a way you know So like a thousand percent I came in judging I take full ownership of that I take full ownership I saw something I said something Can I tell you to tell But, you know, I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on. Like, you know, and if I did know, I would be the first to tell everyone. And then, and I did. But I found out when she was charged with stuff, I reported it to my mirror. Carol says, I never met Jeffrey Epstein.

47:11And Glenn never talked about him. Obviously, had I known or any of our little small group of girlfriends known, we would have reported it.

47:20Ronnie Karam: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Well, she didn't, when all of this stuff was coming out before, Ghislaine wasn't charged until this stuff had been out for quite a while. And when they were questioning her about the last one, she's like, I barely knew. And now she's like, I would have reported it. Okay. So Sai's like, well, you know, it's just sometimes you just don't know what people are hiding. Yeah. Like, especially criminal activity. Am I right? Plus, given my history, You know, with the Kennedys, you better not talk about or I'll be traumatized. I mean, if I met someone who's anything like that, okay, well, I'll confess.

47:58I do have a criminal background. When I was a kid, I shoplifted, but only fashion, because I'm a girl. You know what? Me too. Me too. Yeah, and I don't judge anyone for their story. I mean, everyone has something. By the way, I was reading a story about you. Turns out there was something with you and Daddy Warbucks and you're at an orphanage and you also used to have red hair. Tell me about that. Well, let me tell you, his secretary wouldn't stop fucking dancing, first of all.

48:33Ben Mandelker: But this was funny because Kasai's like, oh, yeah, this Daddy Warbucks guy, you know what's so funny about him? He was in a Ponzi scheme. He was in a$133 million Ponzi scheme. I didn't even know about it. And I was like, Carol was like, what?

48:53Ben Mandelker: I kind of, I mean, I have to say, I felt for Carol in that moment, be like, what the fuck? So you also could be guilty by association and you're, you're hanging me out to dry when you also have something that you could be hung out to dry for.

49:10Ronnie Karam: and i love that side just knew this was coming because i obviously wrote the blog post so it's not like she's never talked about it but i she was probably like oh god she's probably digging and knows about the ponzi scheme but carol didn't she's like what

49:27Ben Mandelker: wait a second i mean obviously it's very very different right like very different scandals and levels of culpability, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the, like, it could all be, like, Carol's point of like, you are coming after me because of someone that I knew who I had no idea that they were part of a criminal enterprise. And you're acting like I should have known, like, that I must be lying, when you too knew someone who was part of a criminal enterprise. eyes and you didn't know you were blindsided too so like where's the empathy here like that carol's

50:03Ronnie Karam: like what the hell yeah but size not saying well i didn't even know who that who is daddy warbeck so i don't know him well i kind of do him well i maybe you know so i wrote about it and she's just answering the questions before they even come up you know no but she's saying like i knew this

50:19Ben Mandelker: person i see what care yeah she's saying i knew this person and she tells she's like and you know what's crazy he was in a ponzi scheme i had no idea it's kind of like like carol's whole point that she the what she's trying to say is you know i knew jillen like socially but i had no idea she was involved in anything criminal and sounds like are you sure how did you not know of course you had to have known and then all of a sudden like oh yeah i had a friend who was a huge 133 million scam. I had no idea. Yeah, it's crazy.

50:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. No, I think the questioning mostly with Carol is because she keeps acting like, I didn't know her. Well, I did know her, but barely. Well, I didn't know. Well, we were friends. And then I went on a date with Prince Andrew. Whereas Sai's handling it like, okay, any other questions? What else you want to know? I think it's like the expertise in how she's handling it.

51:13Ben Mandelker: And the difference is that Carol was trying to shape a narrative, and Sai's like, oh yeah. Isn't that crazy? This thing happened. Anyway, next topic. Yeah. So I think that probably, like, Cy was probably responding to Carol trying to shape a narrative versus Cy just merely stating, like, oh, isn't this, here's a funny little tidbit I'm going to tell you, and now we move on from it.

51:35Ronnie Karam: No, Cy's just like, okay, you're going to bring up some guy from a Ponzi scheme, right? Okay, well, yeah, I knew him. I didn't even know anything about it. Any other questions? Like, are you going to really try and compare that to the human trafficking from your friends. Don, don, don. I thought Cy handled this very well. But Carol also kind of handled the conversation well, I think, at the end of it. She's like, well, okay. Well, great. Good talking to you. She's like, uh-huh. Good talking to you too, Carol. I thought, well. Cy, I think, won this one. Yeah. I don't always say either. This is a shocking episode for me.

52:15Ronnie Karam: I've taken up for Aaron against Cy, and now I'm taking up for Psy against Carol. Who knew? What a world. What a world. Who saw this being my Wednesday? Not me. So Erica comes over and she's checking in with Aaron and of course Aaron's like yeah it's really hard now. I'm in good time. Everybody's like coming up to me. I'm like I'm a total victim. It's like total me. What is this mean island?

52:46Ben Mandelker: Mean, mean island So like remember how yesterday Cy was like you were like talking about Memoraires to Jenna like I didn't even And I was like I wasn't even like the one that brought That off to her And so she says I have never Talked to Jenna about Cy's divorce But recently my makeup artist came into My house and said oh my god Cy's getting Divorced and I was like how did you Know that and he's like I found out At a beauty event so then basically Erin is like she says here's my exonerating evidence I texted my makeup guy and I said hi Case did you mention something to Jenna about Cy maybe I told you something about her marriage and he goes no I already knew that day I did your makeup I said Cy is getting divorced and you said how did you know that so this was not a he did not call up Case and say when I text you this you have to respond to this yeah exactly great evidence erin this will totally hold up in court and i love that they're blaming

53:48Ronnie Karam: the glam people for everything like the glam people are really taking it today and they're taking it by name too so um we see this text exchange and it really doesn't prove anything except that your employee is being on your side you know so um also it's a strange way to respond

54:08Ben Mandelker: right like if you say hey did you mention something to jenna about side did i tell you something about her marriage like i think i would respond be like no no i already knew that and like that would be yeah that would be the end of the text like i wouldn't have to regurgitate to you i mean that day that i did your makeup hmm when was it september 13th anyway i said

54:30Ronnie Karam: I remember it was 9.16 in the morning because the crisp air was, it was dewy that day. I remember that. It was dewy.

54:41Ben Mandelker: We had just finished listening to the Mr. Mr. Album of 1985. And I said, did you know about this divorce that you don't know about?

54:50Ronnie Karam: I specifically remember seeing The View on television. It was The View. I remember. I remember the time exactly. So Erin's like yeah She ends the text by going She's making it seem like it came from me I'm weird oh my god thank y 'all Thank y 'all this was really By the way it was really hard for me everything I'm going through Right now I was like okay busy So time for lunch Daisy's Daisy comes out She's like wow Finally this is a beach Because now they've gone to A different private beach On the private island yeah i guess the other beach wasn't good enough um so it's like oh my god just stop being impressed that you're at a beach you've been at the beach you've been at the beach yeah seriously so they're

55:40Ben Mandelker: talking about their bodies and uh daisy's like oh my god i hide mine but erica your body is so good and then carol's asking erica if she still does classes and erica's like yeah um by the way hayley and daisy came to my class and hayley goes oh my god it was so much fun she was so good and daisy It's like, I was so sore afterwards. And then we see footage of them in the class, not doing the class, just taking selfies while everyone else around them is doing mountain climbers and jumping jacks.

56:07Ronnie Karam: Well, look, if anybody wants to find a hot guy, you know, here's my tip. Go to the gym. There's hot guys in the gym.

56:18Ben Mandelker: That means they're cheating on their wives. Half of them have blown profit. Yeah. And the other half, Jackie Goldschneider's husband, if you know what I'm saying. So that's a call back to the same rumor from New Jersey. Which, by the way, New Jersey cast.

56:37Ronnie Karam: I heard about it in a parking lot. I heard about it at a party in a parking lot.

56:43Ben Mandelker: Someone told me the rumor in a very delicate, discreet way. Hey, Jackie, I hear that. Jackie's husband's a total gay. He's a total gay. Teresa. Did you see the new cast photos dropped from New Jersey today? I did.

57:05Ronnie Karam: Everybody looks very young. I know. I'm a little concerned. Is that retouching?

57:10Ben Mandelker: I don't want it to be a cast of Rachel Fuda's, but I guess we'll see how it goes. But it's exciting nonetheless to have it back on our radars.

57:20Ronnie Karam: They even released a picture. I was like, wow, I guess this is happening. here in college, everybody.

57:26Ben Mandelker: They said New Jersey's coming back in December. They didn't give us a date, but they said it's coming back December. So that's going to be exciting. Yeah. Anyway, so Aaron's asking Erica how her surrogacy is going, and it's going well. They're searching for people, and she's hoping this time next year that she's going to have a baby. And then in the middle of this, Carol asks for surrogate auditions.

57:54Ronnie Karam: da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da push a uterus line she failed yeah i didn't um i didn't like her pushing yeah so daisy so carol's like putting a huge amount of

58:11Ben Mandelker: salt on her food and daisy's like you're a salter at my house you asked for salt on for the matzo ball soup and he's like i did i needed salt honey i'm sorry i'm sorry um so the food needed salt she's like it needed salt she's like no it didn't she's like oh yeah it did uh but then we see carol

58:32Ronnie Karam: and she's really salting the food this is i think this is another one of carol's like look i'm my kind of personality is i'm a salt person look how much i love salt It explains so much. What does it explain? It just explains. What does that mean? That's a lot of salt. I feel like if you're sitting here talking like this, you probably have too much salt in your diet.

59:05Ben Mandelker: It's like they take out the salt, reduce our salt by half, and she's like, hi, I'm Carol Radziwill. She's dehydrated all the time. So Carol is like, they're talking about Martha and how long Daisy's been with Martha for 17 years, which is wild. And Carol's talking about how Martha's makeup always looks flawless. Her lips always look amazing. She has this nude color that they're really obsessed with. And Daisy's saying, oh, yeah, that's what I do. I just mix 16 different colors together to create this look. So she's sort of talking about her craft. And Haley just starts to yawn right in the middle of it.

59:43Ronnie Karam: I did too. I just yawned when you were even retelling it. I was like, oh, God, wow, 16 colors to create a new? That's crazy. So, Cy's like, are you okay, Haley? Are we boring you? And Daisy's like, what did my Martha story just put you to sleep? Okay, Haley, what do you do for a living, huh? What did your money come from? And she's like, my money comes from my hard work and manifestation. Manifestation.

1:00:15Ben Mandelker: Size like. You know, I've been getting really close to Haley, but I do feel like this topic makes it a little bit uncomfortable. But, like, I do love talking about money. And, like, give me that money. Show me the money, baby. Give me all that money. How can I invest it? How can I grow it? What about money? Money? Money? Make the world go around. The world go around. The world go around. Money. Make the world go around. Make the world go around. Money. Money. Money. Money.

1:00:37Markish Shane, a buck or a pound. Markish Shane, a buck or a pound. It makes the world go round. It makes the world go round.

1:00:43Ronnie Karam: Okay. Congrats on being rich. What are you wearing? This outfit that she's wearing. She's a fender on. Confessional is crazy. She looks like a cell phone squeegee. You know, like when you're putting on a new case on your phone. Why is she wearing a squeegee right under her face? It's distracting. And I keep thinking, wow, what a pretty dress. What is that? It just keeps catching my eye because it's a silver squeegee. It looks like it's about to squeegee her face.

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1:04:02Okay, so yeah, I'm curious, Hailey. What is it exactly that you do for a living?

1:04:06Ronnie Karam: And she's like, it's like techie to talk about money. I don't like talking about money. I want to talk about money. Only people who have a lot of money say that. Like old money people, like the Kennedys, they're my family.

1:04:20Ben Mandelker: And Hailey's like, well, I don't think life and people should be measured by how much money they have. I like to just keep it real and not be like, you know, whatever. I appreciate the sunsets and the sunrises and easy access to bathrooms. You know, things like that.

1:04:35Ronnie Karam: I appreciate sunsets and sunrises. And I'm like, what? They'll just start cracking up at her. And Aaron's like, well, I mean, I enjoy sunsets and sunrises too. Yeah, but I don't like when you judge people just because of their money. They're not asking you how much money you have. They're asking you what you spend your days doing. What's your passion? What do you do? Yeah.

1:05:02Ben Mandelker: And Sai's like, we're friends. We're on a private island. We just want to know what the fuck you do for a living. She's like, I mean, I'm a publicist. Google me. I mean, I'm a known publicist. But how many clients do you have? Eight. The number is eight. Oh, not eight. Oh, no. By the way, if you Google her, you'll probably see me on the front page. Everybody has been Googling things.

1:05:30Ronnie Karam: She won't discuss how many clients she has. And Aaron's like, well, no, I'm not asking how. I'm asking the number. And she's like, ah, ah. Jessel says, five, ten. How many is it? Come on, anything.

1:05:46Ben Mandelker: Are your parents helping you? She's like, no, they don't help me with anything, okay? And my mom actually claims that they're her clients. And Carol's like, but isn't your dad rich and wealthy? And they always take care of their kids, right? Oh, so you're a trust fund kid? Are you a Nepo baby? What's going on? Haley's just like, no, no, nothing. And she's just trying to get out of this conversation. She's like, why does it matter?

1:06:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it is kind of weird. I was very suspicious by the end of this episode of Haley. I was like, wait a minute, what the hell is going on with Haley? I usually don't really question. Well, that's not true. I do question. But with Haley, I haven't really questioned. I'm just like, oh, whatever. I believe whatever she tells me. Do you think it's the barrettes that are distracting? I don't know what it is. But there's something about her that I'm like, well, I'll just believe whatever she tells me.

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: I just want to know what sort of publicist that doesn't know how to field questions. She's like, what do you do for a living? Why doesn't she just say, I'm a publicist? what else do you want to know like that's it but she's like uh well i don't know she has no responses oh if only she had a spokesperson so then they're like so then she's like you know and haley's saying you know i'm actually kind of flattered that you guys are like where does all this money come from like thank you that's nice and daisy goes i mean like how do you afford your gucci this and your gucci that she's well i mean gucci's not expensive like what like it's expensive she's like what not expensive really you get it like the dollar store, right?

1:07:15Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I mean, have someone get it for me. I don't know.

1:07:17Ronnie Karam: I mean, Daisy's like, Eric even acts more frugal than you, and she's a billionaire. Yeah, but acting is the main thing. She's like, I rented this dress. Oh my god, I rent clothes. I love Taco Bell. While she's sitting on a private island, you know. So, Daisy's confused by Haley. She's like, she has no problem telling me the girls she hooks up with and sleeping with two women in the same afternoon, or that she's putting a dildo and a girl's butt, but she has a problem telling me how she pays her rent? What is this?

1:07:50Ben Mandelker: So Daisy is like, I mean, you have a fancy apartment. And Aaron's like, two, two apartments. And he's like, you guys are acting like it's so expensive to pay for a New York City apartment. I mean, what's, you guys, what's crazy? What, New York City apartment? That's pretty cheap. What is it like? I don't know, like$30 ,000 a month? I don't know. That's nothing.

1:08:09Ronnie Karam: What planet is she living on? So Daisy's like, so does Ruben pay for the apartments? Does he pay for the car? What does your husband give you the money? I mean, your rent's expensive. And she's like, my car's not even fancy. It's an Audi. They're like, an Audi. It's like, what, do we pay for the vowels? I mean, what?

1:08:34Ben Mandelker: And then an Audi is expensive. She's like, it's not expensive. My watch is more expensive than that Audi. They're like, Haley.

1:08:42Ronnie Karam: it's like, what are people coming at me about money? Like, it's like, it's not like I'm some single woman with a bunch of kids. I got no kids. I make my own money. And I'm married to someone who does well. So like Arthur Daisy, none of us are married, you know, none of us are married to hairdressers. All right. So we can afford things like howdies on a wrist. So what does Ruben do?

1:09:07Ben Mandelker: It's like, well, Ruben owns a store called Vineyard Time in Martha's Vineyard. And he sells, you know, like vintage Rolexes and Patek and Jaguar watches. Speaking of watches. Okay, I'm going to take over now. I'm going back to New York to finish writing this piece about, you know, a Cardioid tank watch. And basically the story is there's like three women who are like in possession of this watch. And they were all like three widowed in their 30s. And there was like, so the thing is they were wearing watches. and then their husbands died because they were wearing the watches, but not directly, because maybe it's good.

1:09:45They're like, what?

1:09:46Ben Mandelker: Carol, can you speed up the story, please? Are you one of the widows?

1:09:49Ronnie Karam: Jessa goes, wait a minute. How did you hear about this? I'm writing about it. It happened to me. She's like, oh, wait, you're one of them, so you have the Cartier. Well, I mean, I was one of the widows. And Erica goes, you had a tank watch? so funny that everybody is just jumping on that it's like this story i was like who who are the widows oh my god tell me everything they're like oh my god where is the watch what did it look like

1:10:18Ben Mandelker: how did you get rid of a tank watch this is amazing and then it was just like it turns out to be kind of a humble brag like oh yeah i had this watch that belonged to jackie kennedy and

1:10:29Ronnie Karam: i gave it so the whole story she hates talking about by the way please guys stop bringing up the kennedys with carol it's really hard for her you guys she talked about this watch um like in a

1:10:40Ben Mandelker: clip that was i don't remember if it was uh it was on roni original roni or if it was in the media but she talked about this watch and how it was cursed and so she wanted to get rid of it because it was cursed um because it has like the kennedy curse on it yada yada yada and like literally by the way sort of dark but like kennedy just died yesterday it's crazy but um And they talk about this. It was Kyle Kennedy. She died at 42, which is very, very sad. So I don't know. I don't think they have a cause of death yet, but it's, you know, it's sad. It's not, it's nothing worth joking about, but it's this crazy, quote unquote, Kennedy curse.

1:11:17Ben Mandelker: And just kind of wild that Carol was so mad at Jessel for like mentioning the Kennedy curse. I mean, Jessel did mention it in like a very flippant way. It's like this entire family is cursed Right Carol? But Carol is also How dare you? That was very hurtful So let me tell you about the cursed Kennedy watch

1:11:38Ronnie Karam: Also you sold Jackie O's watch I feel like you should be Selling Jackie O's watch For 250 grand They auctioned it off And then the person who got it was Kim Kardashian And then She found out She was married to Kanye at the time And then she found out that there was a curse. So she wanted to return it. And two years went by and she didn't want.

1:12:03Ben Mandelker: They're like, where's this go? Where's this going?

1:12:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they kept it kind of in. I mean, she does have a long way of telling the story, but they just kept asking about the watching. God, could you wrap this up, Carol? I was like, this is the most interesting story I've heard on here. Could we just let her finish the story? I want to know who is the third widow.

1:12:25Ben Mandelker: Well, ultimately, she didn't pick Kim never picked up the watch So did someone else get the watch And then their husband died? What happened?

1:12:34Ronnie Karam: Well, that's the thing Like, we don't even find out the end Cartier Tank Watch Widows Who were they? Is Cartier Tank a really nice one? Well, if it's$250 ,000 I mean, I don't know It was$250 ,000 because it was Jackie O's too So, Jackie Onassis wore it Carol Radziwell and a close family friend named Cassandra, who Carol loaned the watch and then her husband later died of cancer.

1:13:04Ben Mandelker: Was that the family friend that Carol went to LA for to console? Oh, I don't know. Remember, that was a whole thing. Just did a search. That was the whole thing, and that was an issue between her and Bethany, is that Bethany went to LA and Carol was in LA and Carol wasn't really paying attention to her because Carol was with Cassandra, I believe. So this watch has had quite an effect. Do we think Heather Gay got, this was Heather Gay's Cartier watch that she bought at the airport?

1:13:35Ronnie Karam: Oh God. This is also, I mean, I hate to like watch shame somebody again, because I've already done it in this episode, but okay. You had this watch. Okay. Jackie was a widow. Then you had the watch then you're a widow then you loaned it to your friend then she became a widow why are you you shouldn't be getting putting that watch out there for somebody else to just become a widow if you really think it's cursed what the hell that's true maybe the watch maybe it takes maybe takes three people to establish the curse oh but wasn't cassandra the third anyway the point is no because she sold it because she thought it was cursed that's what she said she sold it because she thought it was cursed so that's not nice selling when did cassandra get selling murder to somebody basically did cassandra i think kim kardashian must have gotten it after cassandra and i'll have to clear it up cassandra's cassandra's uh husband was brad gray of

1:14:35Ben Mandelker: brilstein gray he was a very famous hollywood executive and so then he passed and carol went out to la to be with cassandra and she was there and she was sort of pouring herself into cassandra And then she also had her LA friends and Bethany got very jealous because she, Bethany was like, what about me? What about me? What about me? And that began one of their epic feuds. And then there was the Tinsley of it all. And, and if you think about it, this watch brought about like the Carol and Bethany feud then led to Carol texting Andy Cohen, like never talked to me again, as he said on Carlos King's podcast and others.

1:15:13Ben Mandelker: And then Carol left the franchise and now Carol's back. so much jade's back and it all goes back to jackie onassis the effect oh my gosh wow

1:15:24Ronnie Karam: wow that tank watch really did a lot of did a lot of work now we have jessel but carol says here once i realized it was cursed i said i have to sell it so i auctioned it off at christie's that's horrible that you're selling somebody's husband you're like here you're unknowingly purchasing your husband's death that's crazy she should be now she should be arrested our movie Haley should be arrested for the pee-in-a-cup thing, and now Carol should be arrested.

1:15:51Ben Mandelker: And then, but she gives it, she auctions it off at the Christie's, and then who winds up going to jail? The Christie's! They got a pardon, but still. The curses. Curses don't know bounds.

1:16:05Ronnie Karam: Jesus. So now they're like, oh my god. She's still going. And they're like, oh my god, shut up, Carol. Wrap it up. I was like, no, but then, then the watch went to, and she's like, no, shut up, Carol. So, we never heard the end of it. Quiet, Carol. Oh, wait, that was me doing it to me.

1:16:27Ben Mandelker: So, now we're back at the house. Everyone's at the bar. Daisy and Cy are laughing about their old days at scores. And they're still like, what was going on with Haley, right? And Cy's like, no, I'm really trying to be the good person here. I had to not judge her because I like her. And Daisy's like, no, she's a lovely person. These are the things that you say before you go right on someone in a super, super judgy way. This is like me five seconds ago bringing up someone who died. I'm like, guys, this is really – I just want to say this is really tragic. Okay, now I'm going to tell you – I'm going to now bring it up on the podcast that this poor lady died.

1:17:03Ben Mandelker: Okay, here we go.

1:17:06Ronnie Karam: Well, you don't say anything bad about her. But these guys, they are doing what you said, Deck. Wow, I really like her. But she can't get a story straight. There's something fishy about her. I don't get it. You know, let me tell you this. When somebody seems fishy, sometimes there's something fishy.

1:17:30Ronnie Karam: I did have questions after this because Daisy's like, yeah, where does your money come from? What do you do for a living? How do you afford your lifestyle? How are you running this PR business when you're out in a fucking face mask getting your ass injected all day and getting your ass electric tightened? And so then they show all these pictures with all these social media pictures of Haley just like, damn, I'm going to get my face resurfaced. And, you know, the back of my elbows. I got new feet bottoms today. So it's going to be a little bit difficult to roll a blade.

1:18:03Ben Mandelker: I don't personally think this is that much of a mystery. And she's a publicist, so she gets income from there. She has a husband who, she said, does very well for himself. And her dad was like a plastic surgeon to the stars. So she has family money. She has a husband who does very well. And she has a perfectly fine, I don't know if it seems like a perfectly successful PR business. I feel like there's not really too many dots to connect here. And they're like, but where does the money come from?

1:18:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but that's what I thought at the beginning. I was like, she's rich. Like, you're on a housewife show. Why are you questioning people who are rich? It seemed weird that they were questioning. But I think because they're hounding it so much, I'm like, oh, wait, what is going on with her? Because Daisy's like, I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. And then this Ruben thing, I don't buy it. I don't even believe that's her husband. And so I was like, yeah, I asked for wedding photos. She had zero. So what is going on? The reason I think there might be something to it is I don't think they would be making this big a deal out of it unless they knew something already that they were going to start coming at Haley for.

1:19:13Ronnie Karam: So what is it? Oh, that's interesting. That's interesting. It's not like Salt Lake City where you know that Heather and Whitney are just making shit up, you know? That's true. I mean, I don't know. Daisy's new, so maybe she is, but I don't know. Yeah. You know what they always say, if there's smoke, there's either fire or Lisa Rinna rubbing two sticks together.

1:19:36Ben Mandelker: Well, also, Daisy likes to pretend she's like old money like Martha Stewart. Although I don't know if Martha Stewart's actually old money, but she's just old and has money. But Daisy likes to think that she is Martha Stewart wealthy and is like going to luncheons in Bedford, New York. And so she now views anyone who claims that they're really wealthy suspiciously. That's why she's trying to undermine Erica's position with, what is this dump? And now, where does Daisy get her money? I'm sorry, I mean Haley. It's like, Daisy, you're clinging on to a rent control department, and that's very good.

1:20:13Ben Mandelker: But stop judging other people's money. Leave that to us as the podcasters. You just do your show.

1:20:23Ronnie Karam: I think there's something suspicious. I can't wait to find out. They better tell us, too. So then it's dinner time And Erica is You know like I'm still Hosting this really hard with these Laneys alright wrap it up Erica So now they gather And Daisy's like wow Jessel you're really not trying To keep that Sheen joke alive Today look at you

1:20:50Ben Mandelker: And Carol's like the whole thing was that Guys it's been such a long day We're just gonna have like an easy easy dinner in the family room. Just like easy cozy dinner. So they all come out in gowns. And Carol's like I don't understand the gowns. We're on a deserted island. I think I'm the only one who's appropriately dressed in a t-shirt. I'd like to be comfortable. And it is kind of funny because they are showing off their fashion again just to sit on a sofa and eat chicken and salad.

1:21:19Ronnie Karam: This is Housewives. This is what you do on Housewives. Carol's like, what? What is this? Why are there cameras here? This is crazy. So they start eating, and they go over to the food to serve themselves. And Daisy's like, where's the dinner? This is dinner? What is this? This looks like the leftovers from lunch. Kind of does.

1:21:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but also, like, Daisy is such an ungrateful guest. And Erica's like, well, you can take yourself off this private island if you would like. you fucking ungrateful bitch. Daisy's like, I mean, Martha's spoiled the shit out of me. Well, that's not fair. You're not allowed to compare everything to Martha Stewart, okay? Martha Stewart is a concept. And the idea of if someone puts out a whole spread of food, you say, oh my god, look at Martha Stewart over here. So it's not fair that you compare it to the actual Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart's going to put out a spread. That's not something that everyone's going to do.

1:22:23Ben Mandelker: You cannot do that to people. It's just completely unreasonable.

1:22:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, especially when your first scene was like, oh, I have a store-bought pie. I can't believe I left that out in front of Martha. I'm just so normal, but I'm working for this really rich person. I'm so relatable, even though I work for Martha. So Erica's like, just go to McDonald's. They don't have leftovers there. And I'm like, and who are you trashing McDonald's when your whole thing is that you love Taco Bell? You guys get your character straight.

1:22:53Ben Mandelker: honestly, I probably would have liked McDonald's at that point. I mean, I thought it looked like a nice spread, but if I'm on a desert island and I'm having a nice time and you say we can add McDonald's to the mix, I'm like, sure, that sounds great.

1:23:07Ronnie Karam: So now they're having a little smit over this. So Jussel's like, well, I don't think Daisy will ever be invited back to the island, not even as Martha Stewart's plus one. Oop, did I say that?

1:23:23Ben Mandelker: so what we're supposed to just sit in our gowns on the floor well that's on you because she said it was going to be a living room dinner simple casual and then you wore a gown to it and now you're like what so now i'm just supposed to sit here in my gown and eat food you don't pay attention so they sit down and then erica's like you guys want to see what my hidden talent is and then she like burps like uh and they're like ew that was gross

1:23:53Ronnie Karam: she can burp talk and they're like oh my god that's hilarious and erin's like guess what my secret talent is i can queef on demand so

1:24:05Ben Mandelker: so uh they're like we'll do it now she's like no and uh then daisy is like what on demand means

1:24:13Ronnie Karam: You can't just tell people I could do something on demand and then say no when they demand you to do it. Unless you are a cable provider.

1:24:22Ben Mandelker: So then Daisy, cable providers are like, watch anything you want on demand. Sorry, our service is down. So Daisy is like, guys, I just have to say this has been absolutely beautiful. Even though I was being a big asshole about everything, this was really beautiful. minus the pure one furniture like this is not pure one furniture you bitch this is custom

1:24:52Ronnie Karam: daisy is so ungrateful like i hit puberty at the end of that last burp by the way because hold on let me say it like i was saying it

1:25:03Ronnie Karam: it's not hilarious i work while i talk while i talk yeah so that was really really good that was a good burp so um they cheers to a great trip

1:25:15Ben Mandelker: and then uh and and daisy is is the one who's like cheers she's trying to like do some like last second like i'm not a bitch after all which is a little bit too late uh about this i mean i liked it i actually believe it or not i like daisy i think she's really a good addition but she was just being a total spoiled brat on this trip. And Aaron's like, well, everyone, it's time for me and Sai to have a talk. And the truth is, I did value my friendship with Sai and we've been close for many years and I've been a sounding board for her and what she's going through. And unfortunately, Jessel is collateral damage right now, but who cares about Jessel?

1:25:48Ben Mandelker: The truth is, it is about me and Sai and I don't know that we have the friendship that I thought we did. So now they have to work out their issues. Yeah.

1:25:57Ronnie Karam: Well, Sai, we need to talk, okay? because like it's been racing it's been like racking my mind like who would i have told about your divorce like what but i do remember having a conversation with my makeup artist so i texted him and then i called him and told him what to text me back and then he texted me back and he said i heard it at a beauty event so the fact is i'm not saying things about you blame whoever blue povet. Okay? Because this is a gay thing. This is a gay thing.

1:26:31Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, I just don't like it when, like, you think I said this thing and you can come and talk to me about it. I'm an open book that got flooded, unfortunately. And I don't like when you lash out at me and scream at me and bring up all kinds of other shit and attack me instead of just asking me a question. She goes, but those things are true. I witnessed you talk about it in front of a lot of people. And, you know, you told me in something about a conference with Jess and I never said, the world, but then you start talking to other people, and I'm like, whoa, I feel weird about it, you know?

1:26:58Like, no, well, maybe you'll talk about my business.

1:27:02Ronnie Karam: But why not ask me, Erin, did this happen? She's like, but, yeah, I didn't. Exactly. Because, you know what? I was already tainted. I was already tainted. You did say those things about Jessel. You did say those things about my personal marriage. She's like, sorry, that's like so different. No, I don't care what the context was. You could have shut it down with your makeup artist. You could have shut it down with your makeup artist, but you didn't shut it down with your makeup artist and your makeup artist when God knows you away and told other makeup artists. You know how many makeup artists knew about my divorce before I told television?

1:27:37Ben Mandelker: Sia's saying that Erin should shut it down with her makeup artist when she actively had her makeup artist on the show to say that Papa is gay is kind of hilarious.

1:27:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so I I like that Sai sticks to her guns and she's like no I don't like you because you talk shit unfortunately I think Sai also probably talks a ton of shit I mean we've seen her on the show talking a bunch of shit so I don't know what's like in the bounds of housewives and not housewives but I think they're both pretty shitty Aaron and Sai you know because yeah I held on to this information for years and years until she got mad at Aaron like we've already talked about a million times. But I like that she did just stay solid with Aaron and was like, no, you talk shit about people. I don't like it.

1:28:21Ronnie Karam: And so then Aaron was like, well, fair. Fair.

1:28:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. And so Aaron's like, you didn't need to bring up that rumor. She's like, you know, sometimes I have to give you examples. You know, I have to give you examples because you don't remember. I think you get drunk and you talk. And she's like, well, I'm not going to give error to that because you're insinuating maybe I'm an alcoholic but I'll just say sometimes I talk it's like no it's no it's not okay it makes me feel uncomfortable makes me feel like I can't trust you so like you should get no like so should you get mad at me are you gonna do the same thing to me like what am I

1:28:59Ronnie Karam: gonna do yeah and so it's like but let's be honest let's just be honest about everything that we're feeling unless it's my divorce which I've been hinting at probably to you for a year but anything Like, let's be honest and bring it up. Let's talk about it. Saying, okay, well, like, I just, it's like, I was just, like, I was really mean. And, like, certain things don't need to be out there. She's like, then don't say it, Aaron. Saying, well, fair. I love you. I love you, Aaron. Well, you really hurt me. Well, sometimes I feel like I really don't trust you.

1:29:31Ben Mandelker: Fine. So, um, she decides, like, you know, if Aaron ever got to the point where me and Jaisal are now, and maybe put the work into our friendship. I'd be open to that. But I just don't think that Erin's ever going to grow.

1:29:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And then we get the mid-season trailer, and it looks pretty good. It looks pretty lit.

1:29:52Ben Mandelker: I know. We get a full-on new cast member, basically. It's a friend of Devin, who was on The Real World. Devin from The Real World, Brooklyn. I was like, I recognize this girl. Why do I recognize her? Have I met her before? She's on The Real World. So interesting to bring in a friend of Midway through but you know what I'm all for it

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