#3591 Real Housewives of Potomac S11E03 Reasonably Betray-dy

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1:26Ben Mandelker: what happens when there's so much that happens well hello and welcome to what what crap

1:42Ronnie Karam: happens a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on yo bravs i'm ronnie that's ben over there hello pan hi ronnie how's it going good what's going on with you happy monday happy monday i'm i'm

1:56Ben Mandelker: you know it's an exciting week halloween is on it's on saturday so it's halloween week yeah very

2:02Ronnie Karam: exciting time it is what's going on with halloween week so yeah get ready to dress up and eat some candy i got some candy in case little kids came over to get candy and i've already gone through half the bag so don't prepare dreams that's what i suggest it is kind of a dream what candy did you get it's a mixed pack it has m m's which my peanut m m's yes milky way and snickers so by the time these kids get here there's only going to be plain m m's basically so when we were in minnesota

2:35Ben Mandelker: um my friend craig uh has a sweet tooth like i do he loves chocolate and he introduced me to the kit kat that's like a count dracula kit kat that comes out for halloween it's basically a kit kat bar but it's in the shape of a of a vampire naturally and um he was like you should get you should try this because it has a little bit more chocolate than a typical kit kat bar and he was right and so i have to say to everyone take advantage of this seasonal treat and get yourself a kitkat vampire because the ratios are just are just right they're just fabulous

3:15Ronnie Karam: well right on there you go we're not being sponsored by them okay not being but we are open

3:21Ben Mandelker: we are open to a kitkat sponsorship and we don't know why how many times we have to say give me a break on this show before they come a call and start advertising and watch grabins you know

3:32Ronnie Karam: we are also on tour we're back next week november 5th we'll be in philadelphia and on saturday we will be in washington dc ben tell them what shows we're gonna do well this is fun in philadelphia

3:46Ben Mandelker: we're going to recap the real housewives of new york city roni and in dc we will recap the real housewives of salt lake city and uh we hope that you all you join us because uh this will be our first time ever doing roni in front of a live audience like the new roni so that will be great and salt lake city has been so fun um with uh live audiences this season we just couldn't resist so that's the programming update and get your tickets at watchacrapids.com you all better all get a ticket and get in those seats and we're gonna have a great great time and we always do Philadelphia and D.C. are two of the largest shows we do during our entire tour.

4:27Ben Mandelker: So it's going to be a party in both cities, and we can't wait.

4:30Ronnie Karam: And we're going to continue that because the next week we're going to be in Dallas, Austin, and Houston for our Texas jaunt. That's always really fun as we road trip across Texas. And then we will be in Nashville, Clearwater, Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Denver, Charleston, Atlanta, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, Toronto, Boston, Massachusetts. And we end with the Golden Crappies in New York City on Broadway, Thursday, February 25th. Also, the Charleston tickets just went on sale. So for those of you wondering why we keep saying Charleston and haven't had tickets on sale, well, they're on sale right now.

5:08Ronnie Karam: So get over there.

5:11Ben Mandelker: Go get yourself some tickets, everyone. Yes.

5:14Ronnie Karam: Today is Real Housewives of Badomig, and it's episode three of season 11, which I can't believe they're on season 11. That's so crazy to me. The show's been on so long. And this time we get our taglines for the season.

5:33Ben Mandelker: Yes, taglines are here. So it starts with Giselle, who says, I can honor my past and still read you in the present. Sure. I think that one's cute. I like that one. Yeah, that's fine. I think it's good.

5:48Ronnie Karam: I can honor my past. I don't know what she means by honoring her past. I guess her dad? I'm assuming it's something like that. Her exercise brain thing that she's got going. It's a weird mixture. And I'm glad that she and Ashley were like, you know, our branding is a little weird with GNA. Is it exercise? Is it an exercise class? Is it leggings? Ashley said today it might be sweaty coochie leggings, which is interesting to mix in there with brain trauma or brain disease.

6:22Ben Mandelker: Also like brain cancer, sweaty leggings, or sweaty leggings to cure brain cancer. It's a little bit of a mix. Maybe Giselle's tagline should have been, if there isn't a will, there's still a way. I think that would have been good.

6:38Ronnie Karam: There is a will, there is a way, and I was left out for the first one.

6:46Ronnie Karam: Stacey's line is, talk about depth, talk about truth, talk about Stacey.

6:55Ben Mandelker: I mean, I appreciated the bandwagon element of this, or not bandwagon, but capitalizing off of her viral fame for that one clip of the earrings. but it's also funny when she says talk about stacy she becomes very cartoony she goes talk about stacy i was like okay but i support it i like it yeah she's feeling it uh then we get to wendy all either on me though i might as well give him a show all eyes on me all eyes on me which is also the name as you may remember of an album by tupac shakur um so uh yeah sure why not

7:33Ronnie Karam: thank you thank you for giving us the show yeah all eyes are on me so i got a really expensive

7:39Ben Mandelker: card named it after the bible shut up shut up you win some you lose some that's what i would have said yes that's it you win some you lose some that's the one print as she goes i'm no one's sugar mama but i still make life sweet i'm like you don't have to tell us that you're not the sugar mama. The sugar baby rarely is the sugar mama too. Tia.

8:07Ronnie Karam: I may speak the king's English, but I will never entertain a jester. Well, that's good because jesters are supposed to entertain you. No one wants to have to entertain a jester. So annoying. It's like the loudest audience member ever.

8:23Ben Mandelker: There could be a lot of people.

8:25Ronnie Karam: Get off your jingle hat. I'm trying to do a show here.

8:29Ben Mandelker: I will never entertain a jester. I don't know. I feel like it could have been a little bit better. I may speak the king's English, but I am a queen of hearts. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I will never entertain a jester. It's fine. It's fine. But there's a better pun in there, right?

8:48Ronnie Karam: I occasionally cook, but my husband's got an appetite. Or something. I don't know.

8:56Ben Mandelker: I may speak the king's English, but I will never be a Diana or I will never be a Camilla Parker Bowles or I will I I'm no Dodie Fayette or I I'm no Dodie Fayette the end I got adherents I'm British I may be British period

9:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's the end. I may not seem fiery, but don't start this Tinder. Ooh.

9:29Ben Mandelker: You might as well... Might as well call my husband Carbon, because it seems like he's dating. It's the tagline for my husband that I'm doing in his place.

9:45Ronnie Karam: So Courtney's is, I came to spread the word and maybe a little gospel. I can't with your newly found preacherhood right in time for your first housewife season, ma 'am. I did like that she tried to start something today. It didn't really work. I'm calling her a one and done. What do you think? I'm calling it now.

10:04Ben Mandelker: I'm not sure. It's too early for me to tell. I did like seeing her in her first group scene. And it was also funny because I was like, you know, she sort of looks like Jessica Rabbit. And then someone said, she looks like Jessica Rabbit. I was like, I feel so seen. um and then uh karen i don't know she seems we'll see we'll see we'll see with her um karen i found my higher self but humbling you no problem now higher self when you're talking about like it was never the it was never the the alcohol that was a problem for karen it was the it was the drugs and so now she has a tagline that says i found my higher self is that what she was going for Did she realize that?

10:49Ronnie Karam: You're supposed to be losing your higher self. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Because she keeps changing her thing. Because first she was like, oh, it's not a problem with alcohol at all. It's not a problem. It's my Prozac. You know, she was saying it's her medications that she's been given by therapists or something. I don't know. She keeps changing her damn mind. But Karen, you don't come to Karen for a straight answer. You know, you want it to make no sense. It's Karen. Yeah. And my higher self, but humbling you? No problem. Yeah.

11:24Ben Mandelker: What about... I'm no longer behind bars, but I'll shank a bitch. That would have been fun.

11:34Ronnie Karam: I may not be behind bars, but I'm still at them because I don't have a drinking problem, only Prozac, and they don't serve Prozac bars, do they?

11:47Ben Mandelker: I was never in solitary confinement, but I'm in my own class. How about that? I'm in a class of my own.

11:59Ronnie Karam: So we open with Tia and her daughter driving to pick up Tia's mother from the airport, which is cute. Her mother looks exactly like her. Exactly like her. It's crazy. It's exactly like her with a little hat. And her mother has brought five suitcases that she makes them carry, which I love.

12:19Ben Mandelker: Her mom is like, hello, I've arrived and I'm rich. She just has the rich lady uniform. I got the hat. She got the blazer. I got the little scarf, tons of bags. I was like, yes, yes, queen.

12:37Ronnie Karam: Well, hopefully my mother's arrival in my home would be Balancer. And if anything, a distraction. You know what really feels good when you're down and out? To have your mother show up and take your husband's side. It's going to be a fun trip.

12:53Ben Mandelker: So Tia is struggling with her daughter to get these bags in. And so her mom does this thing. Her mom sort of like poked out of the car. She's like, do you want me to help? She's like, what can you do? She's like, I could do a lot. It's like, oh, please, you can walk away from the trolley now. Because her mom's not really going to help, but she's just going to sort of stand nearby and maybe touch a bag. Be like, I can move this one. I'll just stand with it until you take it from my hands.

13:18Ronnie Karam: She didn't even do that until later. She got in the car, closed the door, and then as they were struggling with the bags, went, do you need help? Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thanks so much from the passenger seat up there. So she's like, oh, this car is lovely, very posh. Well, I'm very posh, Mother.

13:39Ben Mandelker: So I see. So I see. The other day, somebody said to me, oh, what Tia's trying to say in her proper way. And I was like, I mean, what do you want me to speak? So I'm like, listen, motherfuckers.

13:53Ronnie Karam: Oh, you didn't say that, did you? Please, please say you didn't do that. That grieves my spirit.

13:59Ben Mandelker: I didn't say it, Mother. I said it in a poor way. I said it absolutely, every single syllable, saying motherfucker.

14:08Ronnie Karam: We go over to Karen. Karen is yelling at Ray from the top of the stairs. Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, I'm going to leave. I'm going to the therapist first thing, and then I'm heading to Shuri, Shuri County. I'll call you once I get there, which I can do. Actually, I'll email you once I get there, because I've installed Wi-Fi in Shuri County. You're welcome.

14:28Ben Mandelker: Okay, bye, bye, bye. Ray, are you listening to me? Are you playing your golf video game? Bye. Bye. Get out. Bye. Okay.

14:39Ronnie Karam: Ray, Ray, I would have appreciated maybe a cup of coffee before you said bye from your golf game. All right. So she tells us that her relationship with Ray was in trouble before her recovery journey. A few roll tapes back. When Ray said, oh, I think I love you, when they were with the therapist lady. and they said, are you in love with Karen? He said, well, I think so. Oh, Karen, it's been so much longer than that since your relationship. Ray wanted to go golf. Ray just wanted to go to the golf course 11 years ago. That's all Ray has been asking for. Ray is like,

15:20Ben Mandelker: I think I would have a better answer if we were in Florida on a golf course than I would know if I love you. Yes, exactly.

15:30Ronnie Karam: So she's like, that was the moment that I realized we were in trouble. It wasn't when there were all the affair rumors coming out that I was sleeping with old blue eyes, my driver. It was Ray saying, I think so, to that question. How dare he? I think I was numb. You know, you can't acknowledge something when you're numb. You're medicated. You're not completely engaged. It's not that I was willing to acknowledge. I just didn't feel it. I just didn't feel it.

15:57Ben Mandelker: So basically it's Ray's fault that I drove off the road. So we see a montage of tough times and Karen, she leaves her house and then she gets to the car and we have this like scene where it's like extreme closeup on the Karen's mouth. I don't know what was happening. I don't know who was, was it like, I don't know why we saw this footage where it was like her lips, like straight up, like in the car. She's like, hello, I'm coming to Surrey County. I'll see you very, very soon. i'm like why do we need first of all why do we need her this scene and why is it shot so close

16:29Ronnie Karam: up on her face i don't know but i love every moment of karen i love karen's delusion just being like you know when i found out we had problems with all my you went to jail for driving while intoxicated for the fourth time how are you gonna blame ray for this yeah but it's karen so i believe her i'm like damn you ray it's time for a commercial it's time for a crap I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

17:01Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about stress. Imagine performing a cabaret ten times a week.

17:06Ronnie Karam: Or learning a 17th language like French Peruvian.

17:10Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy. It's a great way to shift your mood. Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say, what do I have to watch? Now I'm all about, how do I want to feel?

17:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

17:32Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

17:45Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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18:03Ronnie Karam: That's how Prime gives us the power to just not find the feeling we crave, but also to let us experience it to the fullest.

18:09Ben Mandelker: I'm having 30 to 40 positive feelings. Wow!

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19:40Ronnie Karam: She leaves with a little carry-on suitcase, and she's with her cousin David, and she's like, well, I'm coming to Surrey after my visit with my trauma therapist. Now, listen, two things have helped me here. Building a guest house in Surrey County, having Wi-Fi installed, which is called Bugify, and going to my trauma therapist. I love the trauma therapist. Now, I would let you come to the trauma therapist. But after so many years being a television star, some things are for me. Some things are just

20:13Ben Mandelker: for me. That's right. It has to be private. So when you're still working on something, you can't speak to it. And if I can't share the whole thing, I'm not going to share anything at all. So she goes into her therapist's office. I'm like, okay, bye. So now we go to a place called The Salt Line, Oyster and Ale, and Giselle, Robin, and Ashley gather. um they're gonna talk about you know tia and all that good stuff spill the tia um but they're also gonna talk about each other and giselle and robin are there first and giselle's like so have you talked to ashley yeah and she's like no well you you know i haven't talked to ashley she's like well where is she and um giselle's basically saying how there's some friction

20:55Ronnie Karam: between robin and ashley these days yes robin has had a year off and so one year or two years So it's just been one year, right? Two years. Okay, so she's been off two years. And now she's come back as very mature. And she's decided she's going against her alliance to, I guess, keep her job. But all the stuff that she used to be totally fine with and in with Giselle and Ashley on, now she's like, oh, I'm the only adult here. And so she's going to turn on them instantly, which, I mean, it's fun to have people turning against Giselle, but you should know better because Giselle's not that easy to get down.

21:34Ronnie Karam: And you know why? Because Giselle doesn't care. She just doesn't care what anybody thinks. If you're like, Giselle, you were mean, you betrayed me. She's like, oh, I didn't realize that. Anyway, what should we order for lunch? It doesn't faze her at all. Yeah.

21:51Ben Mandelker: So Giselle's like, so how do you feel being around the group again? uh oh well it was nice to see old faces yes the last time you saw wendy you weren't speaking right and you continue to be uh someone who hates her right on my team right well actually last time i saw wendy she felt a certain type of way regarding the podcast and now we see that they had the scene from elastic where they had a talk and wendy was like yeah um don't talk about me on the podcast because we're supposed to be friends.

22:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then Ashley comes in and, you know, they're talking about Wendy. Robin's like, oh, I need you guys to establish what your friendship is really like. Because if it was a different person, you may have more concern over their well-being. That's what Wendy was saying. Like, maybe I would be nicer if one of my other friends had that. She's like, like who? Like who? Who did she meet? Well, like me, if I did that. She's like, Robin, you would never be in a situation which you are scamming people.

22:49Ben Mandelker: Do you know who has been crying ever since?

22:52Ronnie Karam: Progressive lady flow. She has been betrayed.

22:56Ben Mandelker: I understand her side. I mean, you going through something tough and you claim to be a friend. And she's like, well, but so that means don't talk about it on the podcast. It's not happening. Podcast first, friendship second. No, I'm not afraid of Eminem.

23:10Ronnie Karam: I'm not afraid of her.

23:12Ben Mandelker: we have to set a precedent with our very important podcast what we do is discuss what happens in the news we're the rachel maddow of of of regional potomac podcasting

23:27Ronnie Karam: well i've also been a subject on the podcast do you remember when you guys were talking about me kissing charise's son oh give me a break ashley come on you brought that up on the show

23:40Ben Mandelker: yeah by the way shout out to sharice's son who was just in people magazine last week uh who apparently has been battling uh cancer he was diagnosed i think with like colon cancer and i think he's on the up and up and on the mend so we all we'd love to hear we'd love to hear that but you know you know you know prayers for prayers for our sharice's son yeah well i didn't know that actually that's terrible yeah it's terrible so uh but get checked everyone always get checked well thanks for making this seem more fun it's optimistic he's doing well he's doing well it's

24:15Ronnie Karam: a good it's a good story ultimately yeah it's nice it's good yeah good look over there uh so ashley is like can you honestly say you express something about you know not liking me she's like i never said i didn't like you i mean what are you implying something right now what are you implying you want to go at it in your husband's kangaroo restaurant well i've just never heard

24:36Ben Mandelker: that you said things about me. Who the hell is saying that I've said shit about you? Well, Giselle was like, you know, Robert, she doesn't really fool you. Giselle's like, ooh.

24:45Ronnie Karam: She told you that? Giselle's guilty face looking around like, ooh.

24:50Ben Mandelker: Giselle goes, well, I guess two weeks in a row. Overwhelming.

24:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, two weeks in a row, it's me. Yes, that was me. Well, I don't know. It's a feeling. I don't feel like you like Ashley. It's like, why? I don't have a good memory. I'm not going to say anything right now.

25:07Ben Mandelker: It's like, come on. Well, maybe, here's a good example, Giselle. How about about two minutes ago when you asked Robin, did you talk to Ashley? And Robin says, do you think I would call Ashley? I think that would be a good piece of evidence that just happened.

25:25Ronnie Karam: Oh, well, who is Giselle's bestie? It's always been Robert, which is hilarious. I call her Robert. But then Ashley's little ass has moved into Robin's spot. now robin's appeared and who's the bestie now it's gonna trick him you know it's gonna trick him is when karen's giselle's new bestie i mean that's the funny part yeah she's like yeah like

25:47Ben Mandelker: she's like giselle's gonna come kiss the ring and i'm the new best friend which they could happen but maybe not this season based on the previews so giselle says yeah i feel like previous where she's like you are you are messing with my liberty

26:02Ben Mandelker: well i feel like we had a trio of sorts back in the day yeah and i just want to get back to the trio to feel amazing remember we had a good trio and now she's like what um how is this part of the how are you guys doing and giselle's like well she told me i fumbled the ball okay well we didn't

26:21Ronnie Karam: even get to the tea of it but geez how you handled that situation is not friend like giselle's like Well, I didn't want to tell her if it's not true and then trickle it on to being public, right? Well, you should at least say privately, I don't know if it's true or not, but your husband's probably cheating on you on apps. I mean, come on.

26:39Ben Mandelker: Giselle is wrong for not going to Tia with this information. Ashley is damn wrong for sitting on stage with a microphone and teasing this information. I can't make that make sense. So then we go to Tia's home and Tia shows up with her daughter and her mom and Rob's there. It's like, oh, hi. And, you know, Yatunde is like going on, like hugging the dog. And, you know, she loves Rob, apparently giving Rob a big hug. And he is like, well, I told my mother before before she came and I sent her and I sent her the pictures and the first thing she says is, oh, my gosh, why would he use such awful pictures if he's going to find a mistress?

27:17Ben Mandelker: At least look hot. He has a pretty hot son in law, you have to admit. Don't you want him to don't you want to have a hot lady? Don't you want to bring back a hot lady to your household? I mean, who do you want sleeping in your bed? Some old ugly lady or a hot young thing to be found by you?

27:35Ronnie Karam: Sort of sexy if you think about it. Darling, nobody wants to be cheated on with an ugly person. It's just humiliating. Let's both dress rob, shall we? Let's make an effort to make your husband as good-looking as possible to get the best pulls on the internet.

27:52Ben Mandelker: And then my mother said, please tell Rob that on his dating site, he shouldn't be wearing that white shirt over the white undershirt anymore. It's just not a good look. And I said, mother, please stop giving fashion advice to Rob for his dating site. My mom has a soft spot for Rob.

28:08Ronnie Karam: I suspect she may love Rob even more than me. Cut to the mom like, I love you so much. Oh, such a good son. Actually, you know what? I don't really understand the computers. But if you wanted to be set up with somebody, I've got plenty of people.

28:21Ben Mandelker: mother so then we go over to bar angie and uh stacy and timo arrive for a date um and stacy's like wow we finally have some time alone he's like that's right much time needed she's like it's so nice finally just the two of us away from our lunatic dog right right um so they order drinks and stacy says you know the other day my mom mentioned us maybe getting married in the future what do you think about it timo well here's what i think about it you should have crab martini oh

28:58Ronnie Karam: my god that was so fast it's cold crap like i don't know why she was waiting for it to take so long but um they're talking about you know their marriage and this is so exciting for her it's every year she's gonna she came on here ready to be a housewife she's like we're getting divorced even though she was probably dating somebody that she hired allegedly to now we're gonna get married she's gonna have every season set up and good for her yeah um he's like well i don't know this was exhausting i'm tired it's like well we came back together as husband and wife and we made a deal a list of deal breakers timo go ahead what are your deal breakers well doing irresponsible things for example

29:40Ben Mandelker: this one's good everybody wait for it wait by the way I just love that his deal breaker is just a general umbrella thing of doing irresponsible things my deal breaker do not be irresponsible it's like yeah that's a good deal breaker you know what I'm talking about I know okay we could get married but do not be irresponsible you know what I'm talking about being more responsible fiscally now is the time for fiscal responsibility

30:09Ronnie Karam: Fiscally? I don't even know what that means. You mean financially, right? Are you guys getting this? Gosh, foreigner. What kind of word is that? Fiscally. So funny.

30:21Ben Mandelker: Don't be irresponsible with your synonyms.

30:27Ronnie Karam: Stop making up words, Timo. No. Okay. Are you saying I need to be better with spending money? And he's like, yes, that I think everyone has opportunities to be better. She's like, well, yeah, that was a very Stacey answer. Okay. He's saying stop spending all the money in the bank account. Okay.

30:47Ben Mandelker: Well, I just want to say thank you for everything. You definitely stepped up to the plate and not just the plate that's here that arrived very quickly, but you stepped up to the plate when And it comes to prioritizing us having a long time together. And oh my, a friend that I know has just arrived. I'm not even having a reaction to the fact that she's here with our dog. And the dog is in my lap right now.

31:09Ronnie Karam: Friend of Brittany, what in the world are you doing here with my dog? Listen, honey, do you understand what fiscally means? Not a word. Even the dog says it's not a word. He's like, oh, do you like the dog? Look at the dog. Look what the dog has. It's a dog. Now it's time for romance.

31:27Ben Mandelker: Ro - now is the romantic part of luncheon. Look at dog.

31:32Ronnie Karam: Okay, I'm looking at him. How did - why do we even have a dog in here? Look on his neck! Okay, Yat - see his neck. Unwrap it! Oh, give me the dog. I'll unwrap the dog's neck. It's a ring! It's a ring on the dog's neck!

31:44Ben Mandelker: There's ring on the dog's neck, which is funny because the dog is sort of wearing a ring anyway, because it's wearing something around his neck. It's like a ring around the neck with a ring on top. Now is the time for comedy! Laugh! Now back to romance. Are we getting married twice? No, only once. Twice as irresponsible. Deal breaker.

32:04Ronnie Karam: Show me your hand. Give me your hand right now. So he takes her hand and puts this little ring. And they make a little tiny sparkle on the ring like, dink. And it's like, whoa, it's a ring. This is just to show me how much he loves me. I'm so blessed. I'm so grateful. I'm so happy. My man, my man, my man.

32:26Ben Mandelker: How in the world did you get Arlo here? He's a maniac. I trained him. I walked. I trained him. He picked me ten times. And I said, not now. You're being irresponsible as a dog. Deal breaker.

32:38Ronnie Karam: How is it even allowed? The maitre dine comes over with a bloody hand. Like, oh, I hope you got your ring.

32:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I hope you enjoy that one. Well, so how do we want to tell Arabella? You mean Arabella? Well, I want to make it special. We have to make sure she's part of this, okay? So when are we getting married, by the way? Definitely soon. No time frame established just yet. Soon? Before I change my mind. Company time has returned.

33:12Ronnie Karam: Before the electricity bill is late, which is irresponsible and totally makes me soft for the rest of the time. No merit for irresponsible. So let's go to Hawk and Dove. sounds dangerous to me. Giselle and Wendy meet up because, you know, Giselle is an asshole. And so they have to go to lunch. They both get a crab cake. So Giselle's like, okay, first of all, I want to thank you. It's so funny how yesterday I hated your guts and then you donated to my brain cancer fund. And now I like you again.

33:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, of course. Why wouldn't I? I mean, I know how much this means to you. Wendy still shocks me all the time for her to go out of her way to make sure she donated to my father's name in the national brain tumor society actually means everything to me uh it's like yeah because it's like your dad died of brain cancer they all knew him they all know you and like it's like the right thing to do she's like wow i can't believe she did the right thing it's like yeah like of course

34:12Ronnie Karam: you know yeah but wendy's also in trouble for a lot of money so i feel like if this was anybody else giving money to someone else's charity Giselle would be like oh and now Wendy is giving to a charity since when can she give to a charity she doesn't have any money she is a scammer

34:28Ben Mandelker: yeah that's true so Wendy is like well by the way this is just how I show up for my friends by the way and you know by the way new developments came to me from Tia and she told me that you called me a scammer and Giselle's like oh well uh well you know I haven't talked to you since your churches and i was floored because i feel like i know wendy i'm like you know wendy so well that you haven't talked to her in like six months i know wendy so well i was shocked that you would

34:56Ronnie Karam: do i was shocked that pam oliver would do this ah she's like well i don't know where to go with you because you call me a scammer and that's that's cultural implications to that and as the nigerian it's so easy for people to label us that because it's a narrative that happens in our culture It's just very heavy to say. I was like, oh, I didn't even think of that. Nigerian scammer. Oh, ha, ha, ha. Yes, yes. That's true. Didn't think of that. Okay. Sorry for that. What else should I call you? What's a synonym for scammer?

35:27Ben Mandelker: How about if I call you the S word? I'm going to make that. Why are you calling me swords?

35:34Ronnie Karam: So. Are there Nigerian burglars?

35:37Ben Mandelker: Is that a thing? Am I still allowed to call you a burglar? So then the producer's asking if it's something that Giselle and Wendy can move past. And Wendy's like, you know, whatever. I can laugh and kiki with her and be like, ha ha ha ha. But like, I see you. I see you very clearly.

35:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Giselle tells us Wendy is correct. She does have the world coming at her and she does not need me kicking her while she's down. Especially when there's still somebody in her purse for my charity. Tia. Now, Tia? Tia needs to keep her mouth shut up.

36:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Giselle's like, I'm going to focus on Tia instead. I've got bigger fish to fry. Yeah.

36:17Ronnie Karam: Well, she has no leg to stand on here, Giselle. Giselle runs from one person to the next, telling everybody what everybody is saying to start stuff. And now she's going to get mad because she got in trouble. Someone did that to her, and now she's going to be on the warpath. No, it doesn't work.

36:34Ben Mandelker: Yep. um and so then now wendy what first of all giselle compliments herself for being able to sit down and have a talk with wendy and talk it out and then uh they talk about um you know when giselle asks wendy for some tips on how to uh address congress because that's what giselle will be doing and wendy's like just you know wear blue because it means you're trustworthy and uh don't just like read from your paper you have to make eye contact and just like got it so then we go to courtney and her husband Alexi who is actually spelled Alexis and I'm going to call him Alexis a few times by accident but I know his name is Alexi and they are pulling up

37:16Ronnie Karam: Shannon

37:16Ben Mandelker: and they show up at a house because they're shopping because they're new on the show they're looking to buy a house they shop is a crazy looking house and Courtney already is having an issue because she hates the symmetry in it i'm assuming she hates the asymmetry of it i think she likes symmetry she hates asymmetry

37:37Ronnie Karam: she she hates the lack of symmetry yeah this place is weirdly built i don't know why you would build a house like this it's built in like try every room is like triangular why you can't put the couch anywhere that faces anywhere normal and then it's a humongous 10 000 square feet home but then it squishes up into these tiny hallways that are kind of off kilter weird house i mean yeah like it made me uncomfortable just looking at it like where do i put the couch yeah it looks like a joe gorga special so uh there's not a central place to hang a tv i that would make me nuts yeah uh t and i live in a very symmetrical house as you know i'm sorry ben i'm not gonna let you talk

38:19Ben Mandelker: i don't know symmetry is a real trigger point for you it is yes i'm starting to lose it okay i'll shut up now go ahead no i i enjoy a rant about asymmetry uh tia's there and they do a house tour and um you know oh my god alexi's so tall his head hits the chandeliers and there's a sub-zero fridge and wolf appliances so good appliances and stuff and courtney tells us uh i have been a basketball wife for almost two decades now during alexi's career he started in charlotte then dallas and Toronto and Alexi and I have lived in so many places, but DC has become a home for us for the past three years because Lexi has been a coach for the wizards for three years and we've been renting all this time.

39:02Ben Mandelker: So now it's time to set some roots. Yeah.

39:06Ronnie Karam: And he's like, I don't really care about the house. I just want to see where I can park my trucks. Men are so simple. You know, you can take a man anywhere and they're like, what are the parking spaces like? He just runs outside. I know where to park your trucks. Yeah, so then Tia and Courtney talk about how there's an end of the season game and Alexei's birthday's coming up, so they're going to have a party. And she's an event planner, guys. Don't forget it. So Alexei wants to meet all the husbands, so this is going to be a couple's party. But it's an odd cast to do that on.

39:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, good luck with that. There will not be any husbands there. So Tia's like, oh, he's looking to meeting people, and Courtney is like, yes, and like, by the way, how's your mom? She goes, it's delightful. I'm really enjoying having her here, and it actually helped him because it's giving me space to just live in process, although it is quite annoying when they take over the living room so Rob could do a photo shoot for his dating apps.

40:10Ronnie Karam: You know, it is nice to have Rob busy. For example, today I came down, and he was naked except for a fur coat covering his groin areas. My mother took pictures with an old Polaroid.

40:24Ben Mandelker: It was particularly disturbing when he just laid out on the sofa, stomach down and naked with only socks on and a rose in his teeth.

40:35Ronnie Karam: Well, speaking of this house, this house is lovely, but it's just not for us. You know, we need more squares and rectangles in our homes. oh yes i thought the symmetry was is not gonna be in your favor in this home

40:50Ben Mandelker: we're not afraid of a project you know but like you know our current property this that's good to know so no angles just 90 degrees 90 degrees and then uh she says yeah because you know our current house it's haunted as you know like what and uh we see that she has a house that's apparently haunted that's all we hear we don't get any further details well you know our house is haunted

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43:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then we go to the Longview Gallery for a GNA Fusion event, which I think it's hilarious that they still have this going. It's like, we're going to have an exercise class, but also for brain tumors. So Ashley and Giselle are kind of hosting a class, but then they leave in the middle of it to go gossip. And then they talk over the sound bowl lady. So I don't really know what they're going for here, but it's funny because Ashley's like, yeah, well, you know, I'm still not sure what this business is, but I was, you know, I was thinking coochie sweat leggings. Okay, we'll talk about it later.

44:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

44:19Ben Mandelker: So they gather, so Giselle, Robin, and Ashley sit down and like, I think Cal and Ashley's gay are there too. So I think there's like five of them gathered. Oh, and by the way, I also spy Vivian. Vivian was there, but she didn't get any full on screen time. But my Vivian dar went off.

44:39Ben Mandelker: So it's a very niche dar, but it comes in handy at times like these. Vivian dar. My Vivian dar was, was like, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. There's a gown nearby. There's a gown.

44:52Ronnie Karam: So they sit down and they first start talking about this invite from Courtney for the husband's party and it is really funny he's like hello it's like this handsome picture it's like i'm celebrating the end of the season and my birthday ladies bring your husband yeah i think that every guy in basketball needs like every every guy who's played basketball for years and years and years the one thing they need is to be surrounded by more men he's just like please bring men i i think that juan should have gone come because isn't he out

45:27Ben Mandelker: of a job at the moment like i think he should do some networking with a i'm surprised that one

45:32Ronnie Karam: didn't come out of everybody you would have thought that juan would show up because you're right yeah he needs well i don't know isn't he who is juan coaching for these days i'm gonna look it

45:42Ben Mandelker: up i don't know i am so glad juan dixon wasn't here to see this poorly attended party um so So Robin is, they're talking about all this stuff. And Giselle says, Robin, had you come on time, you would have heard that we partnered with the National Brain Tumor Society. So this is like our first event. It's exciting. Thanks for coming late and missing my announcement. And then I'm talking to Congress. And I met with Wendy to talk about it. And she was amazing. And she gave me tips. And I needed to see Wendy. But Tia informed Wendy that I called her the S word. And Robin goes, scammer? They're all looking at her like, why do you keep saying S word?

46:23Ben Mandelker: You can say skank. Wendy's point is very true, right? Like by Giselle calling Wendy a scammer, it brings in cultural implications. But the word scammer in and of itself, I mean, who knows? Maybe I'll get myself into trouble. But the word scammer does not have to be called the S word. Yeah, because you're still saying the same thing. What's the difference?

46:46Ronnie Karam: You're still calling her a scammer. You know what I mean? You're just saying the S-word, so now everybody else has to say scammer. So then later you can be like, well, they're the one who said scammer. I said S-word. I'm a good friend to you, Wendy. I'm just calling you the S-word now. Speaking of S-words, Juan Dixon is currently coaching as the head coach of Shellshock. That's two S-words. The University of Maryland alumni team in the basketball tournament.

47:13Ben Mandelker: Oh, an alumni team in a tournament. An alumni tournament. Shellshock. Shellshocked. She sells sea shell shocked by the seashore. I kind of like that name for an alumni

47:26Ronnie Karam: team. Shellshock.

47:29Ben Mandelker: The shell shock. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. They've been through it and they're back.

47:35Ronnie Karam: They just keep coming back. It's the shell shocks.

47:43Ronnie Karam: Hey, why'd you throw that ball at me? I'm trying to play basketball, I thought. I'm a little shell-shocked.

47:50Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry, you can't use my trauma therapist. It's in use. The shell-shocked, that's such a funny term. The shell-shocked. The shell-shocked.

48:05Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, okay. So they're talking about the S-word. And Ashley's like, well, to be fair, I think everyone said it at some point in time. Well, wait a minute. Did you say the S-word after I told you not to say the S-word in Bethesda, which isn't an S word, but it has a very strong S presence.

48:22Ben Mandelker: You mean the B-Town. Yes, I said it before, I said it before, I said it before. But speaking of Tia, we know the dating site is true and she still doesn't know how to process it. And when she told me she was going to be with you, I was like, you're going to get a totally different response from Robin than you are from me. Hashtag, you will be shashoked.

48:42Ronnie Karam: yes and we see an example of that where t is like well you know i think i should have the children and she's like no no no no just wait give it a decade give it a decade

48:54Ben Mandelker: it'll all work itself out i'm still laughing at your thing about the shell shocked team like we've been through it but we're here to play basketball like it was the funniest name ever for a basketball team the shell shocks it really is like the ptsds yeah it's the shell shocked versus the traumatized people have just been through the ringer oh man uh this okay so robin's saying that he is really

49:31Ronnie Karam: concerned about the children but you know what the other day when we were recording reasonably shiny okay you guys you have a podcast this season is the best advertisement for that show i think they get more advertising than even two t's in a pod which they're really getting a

49:49Ben Mandelker: lot well i think it helps that that this cast for some reason is like obsessed with listening to this podcast uh by this not ours of course but theirs um so uh now um another wellness instructor holds there's a nut this is where the other sound bath is happening and then robin's like look we were reading a list sorry I gotta whisper because there's a sound bath we were reading a listener's letter I'm very I'm very familiar with sound bath the shell shock often has to have them to calm down after a game but anyway I was reading a listener's letter and talking about an issue with their husband and you said something like yeah or maybe they might be on dating sites and And then wait, everyone gets worse.

50:34Ben Mandelker: And then you said, well, you'll find out about it in six months. So yeah, yeah. And I had to cut that.

50:42Ronnie Karam: The gays are like, no, Giselle, no, Giselle just starts getting booed by her own crowd. And Robin's like, Giselle can't help herself. She wasn't thinking about consequences. She wasn't thinking about Tia. She wasn't thinking about my warnings. so um Giselle's like well but that's why we're partners because you took it out of the podcast so why are we even talking about it now wow she's like well but it could happen again to anyone else in the group so then Ashley decides she's gonna make a mess out of kind of nothing because look honestly Robin and Giselle have a podcast they're gonna talk shit that's it that's it that's the end of it I like Giselle's response of like well we're still talking about you on the podcast that's what we do.

51:28Ronnie Karam: Okay, so I don't think it's that big of a deal to begin with. But then Ashley is going to make it an even bigger deal because she's Ashley and she really doesn't have much going on. She's not. So she's like, well, if Robin was really a homegirl to Giselle, she would have just left it on the cutting room floor instead of bringing it up on national television because now we all know about the Ash, no, now we all know about Rob being on dating sites. Ashley, you're the reason everybody knows that Rob was on the dating sites.

51:58Ben Mandelker: I mean, she's not totally wrong here. Robin should just, if it's edited out, don't go onto a national platform and mention the thing that got edited out. She's not totally wrong, but I kind of think Robin was just like, I don't think Robin was being messy in that moment. She may have been just like, not thinking she was just kind of like, you know, Giselle, you've been a little messy. You said this thing and we had to edit that out. I kind of feel like it came from that vibe and it's like, oh yeah, but Robin, you're on TV, you're undoing the edit, basically. But Ashley now is going to weaponize it and make it seem like Robin was not being a friend and that these are things that are being said.

52:32Ben Mandelker: And Ashley's like, I mean, why would you risk your friend being outed and someone hearing that when it doesn't need to be? It's just so unnecessary. And I'm now going to amplify it.

52:43Ronnie Karam: Now I'm going to make it a bigger deal on national TV. I don't know. I think that they've already brought it up on national TV. So nothing was outed. I mean, it's gonna, her, the husband's affair or dating site thing is going to be talked about all season anyway. So who cares that they brought it up on TV? It was already brought up on TV, Ashley. Yeah.

53:03Ben Mandelker: And I also think it's fine for just, Giselle made that joke. You know, sometimes, sometimes when you're, when you're up, let's see, podcasts are talking here. Sometimes we're here around the microphone you're doing your art there's an easy joke and sometimes there's this ghoul that takes over you this monster that says go for the easy joke and then you go for the easy joke and then you're like oh i went for it because it was an easy joke i don't need to have this easy joke in here cut that joke cut it cut it like it happens it happens to every single podcaster it happens to giselle and you know she saw a joke that she could make about tia and rob Rob and then Rob was like, yeah, don't do that.

53:42Ben Mandelker: It's like, okay, we'll cut it. And I think it's like, there's, I don't think it's anything bigger than that. But of course, Ashley is now going to just rip it open, stick her foot into it, add salt, smush it all around and make a total disaster out of it.

53:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But of course, Robin is on Tia's side here because she is all about protecting her husband and their cheating rumors. You know, that's been Robin's thing. You know, it's been Robin storyline for years. So then we go to Alexi's birthday party at Isla, who's my favorite little baby cousin, Isla, and Alexis's birthday party. So Courtney is walking around like, I just need to make sure everything's perfect because I'm a party planner. Okay. Okay, everybody. One thing I want to make sure is that silverware is rolled up into a napkin. okay rolled up great great got that okay this is a uh it's a it's a i think it was a black and white

54:44Ben Mandelker: or black and gold party i think it was black and white party but i knew it was not gonna be a good party because she's in potomac and uh i didn't see anywhere in the room the little uh purple highlights uh which is mandatory for every scene in potomac and i say this again as someone who has one right here behind me i can't make fun of the purple highlights highlights when i have one going

55:04Ronnie Karam: on but still yeah where are the hobby lobby cherry blossoms glue gun to the wall i don't see any you know so i can't even believe they let you shoot here on this show i feel like in a youtube studio

55:17Ben Mandelker: you're allowed to have little like pastel like highlights light lighting effects in the background that's like standard for the genre but like it feels like every restaurant they go to who on Potomac has the Vanderpump, you know, Philip Hughes lighting in every single corner. There's always a pink or purple. It's the Potomac signature.

55:39Ronnie Karam: I don't even want to see them eat in a restaurant without that stuff. It's disgusting.

55:43Ben Mandelker: That's how we know this is going to be a bad party. Yeah.

55:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Courtney's like, oh, I'm a party planner. You are in the back room of a restaurant with a kitchen that's just making it. I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't consider this a big party. But then Karen, you know, the ladies start coming. And Karen's like What a way to celebrate your man Well is Rey coming? Is he going to come? She's like no, Rey is not available Rey is not available, he's like 90 What do you mean he's not available? Well, he's not invited It's not a better way to say it He's available and not invited, I'm healing

56:18Ben Mandelker: I love that he's not available He's in a meeting right now So people come in

56:24Ronnie Karam: He's in a meeting with a fax machine Alright

56:27Ben Mandelker: Look at this beautiful party that doesn't have a nice little lavender glow in a corner, but I wouldn't expect anything less from the event coordinator. She did Cynthia's Cynthia Bailey's wedding, as we all know. So we see footage of that wedding. And then Karen's like, where's Rob? She's like, oh, it's Wendy. So Sienna has danced and stuff. And then my mother is taking Rob out to an etiquette class on how to treat a lady when you go on a date with her.

57:00Ronnie Karam: Well, we're the men, okay? My husband is here for his birthday, and he was really looking forward to meeting the guys. What is he supposed to do? Talk to a bunch of women?

57:10Ben Mandelker: Yes, but on that note, so then Tia turns to Giselle, and Giselle's like, well, Tia, I don't mean to cut you off on whatever note you were about to say, but I was going to wait for Wendy to get here, but I do have an issue with the fact that you decided to tell her that I was, that I called her the S word. They're like, S word? Karen's like,

57:32Ronnie Karam: Sfucker? Sfucker? Sfucker? Sandbag! What is it? What is it?

57:40Ben Mandelker: Is it silly person? Shellshock! Spam? Anyway, Giselle says... Is it Sally Struthers?

57:51Ronnie Karam: I've never seen her do anything mean to anybody. Samantha Fox.

57:56Ben Mandelker: You called her Samantha Fox. Sort of a compliment to some. Giselle says, well, I thought you and I were friends. I thought I could have shared that with you and it would have stayed with you. And she was like, oh, well.

58:11Ronnie Karam: Wendy came to me. Wendy came to me. Oh, well, where's your loyalty to me? Where's your loyalty to me after I told Ashley that your husband was on a dating site and then Ashley brought it to national television? where is the loyalty towards Giselle well oh you want to have a conversation about loyalty we will we will be having a conversation about loyalty hold on I'm getting a text from my husband it was a penis picture Rob I think that you've sent this to the wrong person this is your wife sorry go ahead

58:46Ben Mandelker: so Monique shows up which is exciting we got Monique and she is saying that she likes Courtney and Courtney says, Monique is that girl. And Monique tells us, she's the one who says that Courtney looks like a Jessica Rabbit. So they have a nice energy. It's fun to see her back again. And Tia's like, well, it's interesting that we talk about what should be said and what shouldn't be said. And I feel like that's very rich coming from you, Giselle, because you of all people know what I'm going through with my circumstances, and you've given me such sound advice and support. Imagine my surprise when Ashley tells me that you took us to your podcast.

59:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I think it was important for me to tell Tia that this is something that Robin brought to the forefront because Tia needs to be preemptive and get in front of it.

59:44Ronnie Karam: Classic, Ashley. Yes, classic. so then Giselle's like well we were talking about the men now they don't care about you when I said there were numerous reasons why men act the way they do it might be this it might be that it might be a dating site that your mother is helping him look good on

1:00:02Ben Mandelker: um so then like oh Giselle and then Dia's like yeah that's very close she's like no which is not close that happens I wasn't disloyal to you Tia so now Karen swoops out of there she's like

1:00:16Ronnie Karam: I don't want to be in the middle of that. I'm a very mature person. I'm different now. I'm humble. I'm humble, Karen. I don't want to mess up my trauma therapy. Well, I don't want, I don't, don't tell other people what I say to you. As a matter of fact, Tia, don't worry because I won't be telling you shit anymore.

1:00:38Ben Mandelker: And so then she was like, well, as long as you can get a check, anybody's pain, anybody's family, that is free game for your success. And that kind of friendship, my dear, I don't want it. You know how much I am trying to protect my children?

1:00:54Ronnie Karam: This was pretty good. She laid Giselle out pretty well with this one. She did. And Giselle's like, oh, really? Well, then I won't be your friend. She's like, I wouldn't be your friend, which I liked, because not everybody will come stand up to Giselle second season.

1:01:07Ben Mandelker: They really won't, especially when they were friends. She was definitely team Giselle for all of her first season um you know since stacy comes in smiling like hi is everything going well in here is everything good and they're like oh hi stacy and giselle is like you know i can't get this straight with these people you know robin's throwing me under the under the bus by just by bringing up the fact that i had a reasonably shady faux pas and okay we fixed that in the edit and then ashley you go on and tell tia like come on guys what's the point of having a team this is

1:01:39Ronnie Karam: crazy. Both of Giselle's teammates are turning on her. I know. But like I said, she doesn't really care. The end. And I wouldn't go up against Giselle. She'll get both of your asses. She's got so much on both of you. Why would you go for Giselle? Why? I mean, I welcome her. It's just not a very bright move. So, then Robin comes in, and Tia's like, oh, Ashley mentioned that Giselle loses my situation on your podcast. I have to do. It's like, yeah, she said he might be on dating apps and we'll find out in six months. Oh, you said you didn't say that, Giselle. See, you weren't talking about me. You just said you didn't say it, but you did say it.

1:02:20Ben Mandelker: Well, I did, but you know what? I, but I, but guess what? I, well, I did, but I didn't. I mean, I was like, does it count if it was in sign language? I mean, I'm just, what I'm trying to say. Oh, Giselle, this is what you say. I don't remember. I don't remember. Come on, Giselle. Okay, I was trying to help Giselle out,

1:02:35Ronnie Karam: which was so funny. It was ambiguous, sir. It was ambiguous, sir. Oh, and Robin seems to disagree. Just look at her face. That's just Robin's face, sir. Well, Robin giving a little pushback with Giselle. Did anybody see that? I'm impressed. And this is where I will say Robin is finding her strength. She is holding people accountable, especially Giselle, or as we call her, Giselle. She's mess world. It's consistent with what I see in Robin, which is personal growth. I love Robin. Love Robin now. Me and Robin always been best friends.

1:03:10Ben Mandelker: What a grower. Yes. That's why I no longer call us Robin. Because she's no longer an S-word.

1:03:18Ronnie Karam: So Lexi comes over and he's like, I thought there were going to be husbands here. I know. Mel. Hello. Happy birthday. I don't have a boyfriend. Why would I bring a man?

1:03:34Ben Mandelker: So he's like, oh, okay. I guess it's just me. So then Courtney introduced him to everyone and Giselle goes, he's like overly tall. Like he could be eight feet tall. I don't know. And the thing is that like, it's funny that Robin was like, girl, how do you do it? I'm like, Robin, you're married to a basketball player. But the difference is that Courtney is really short and Alexia is very tall. And there does seem to be a bit of a, just like a, like a logistical kind of issue there. But I guess they make it. Or logistical. Yeah.

1:04:05Ronnie Karam: They're all trying to figure it out. so Courtney introduces one of her best friends they've been best friends for 23 years and she would never disrespect could you move so Cynthia can sit there

1:04:17Ben Mandelker: I know right so

1:04:21Ronnie Karam: Wendy comes and she's like I'm confused is this a meeting week or is it a birthday party where's everybody are they all stuck at practice was it only the cast deal

1:04:32Ben Mandelker: and then they're also wondering where's Ashley and And Monique's like, well, Ashley's the star of the night. And Stacey goes, wait, why is she the star of the night? So because of what she told Tia. And so Wendy's like, well, what did Ashley tell you? And Tia goes, well, my friend Giselle took my magic issues to the podcast.

1:04:54Ronnie Karam: We have editors. Robin told the editor to take it out. And so that's done. End of story. So basically, Robin was the better friend than Giselle. and Giselle is actually Tia's friend oh so uh Courtney's like everyone the food's coming and

1:05:13Ben Mandelker: it's uh family style in Caribbean like yay so uh Ashley does finally arrive with Josh and Josh is you know Josh is just so excited it's like basketball former basketball player and also just like free meals so then uh Cameron's like oh look at him he's always kind of out to lunch

1:05:30Ronnie Karam: just like the i don't know i don't know he's just always like checked out i don't know if he just starts compartmentalizing the second he comes on to the show but he just like kind of stares at a wall like yep that's josh so now they're all making small talk at the table and they're asking what alexi wants for his birthday and he just wants health and happiness in a house that doesn't have triangular rooms and they're like and a baby girl what about the baby girl he wants a girl guys um so uh courtney's like giselle i need the position for girls yep doesn't have anything to do with the sperm at all okay well yeah still on it wendy says no doggy style she's like no

1:06:13Ben Mandelker: doggy style i mean where's the fun in that somebody just walked in on the word doggy style guys because in walks uh alexi's friend jason he's like oh doggy style um so then karen uh josh is karen's talking to josh and uh josh is like hey karen he goes karen she'd be gossiping and uh karen's like well uh ashley brags about you i mean actually brags about you a lot a lot

1:06:44Ronnie Karam: He's like well hopefully she only says Good things about me right Well she doesn't say anything bad about you But I did tell her I did this so far You love this Josh I told her run Run money is very important This man has none of it get the hell away from that man

1:06:58Ben Mandelker: Hmm

1:07:00Ronnie Karam: It was great it was a great conversation we had You know so very nice she should break up With you immediately you poor Hmm

1:07:08Ben Mandelker: I said if there's not enough money and not of sex Sorry then it's going to break a relationship. And I know that because that's what I'm going to do with Ray right now. It's like, okay, that's a bit of an overshare.

1:07:19Ronnie Karam: He's just looking at her like, duh. Well, I hope you guys will be all right. Well, thank you. I hope so because I love him. But you know, I can always get things to have sex with, but I can't get things that will have more money. Ashley, run. Run, Ashley. And she's just smiling at Josh's face. And he's like, okay, well, it's great talking to you.

1:07:40Ben Mandelker: yeah and then these two randos come didier didier and thomasina we just sort of see them walk in they get title cards and then um ashley's like well stacy you and teemo came back together right from being not divorced she's like yes and teemo asked me to marry him the other night so we're getting married again just me and teemo and arabella like yay

1:08:05Ronnie Karam: well where's the ring Stacy oh he proposed with another ring that's not this ring it's being resized you know second time still doesn't know my ring size but it's gonna be great we're very excited and Wendy's like wow I mean Timo's her man then I guess go ahead marry that man I don't get it just I was like who cares who cares great that getting married again i do not care so now courtney it's her first big big big bigger moment

1:08:39Ben Mandelker: not big it's actually not a bigger it's like her first uh attempt at having a confrontation so she goes so um who's your planner stacy anyone in mind and she's like i have a planner and she's and she goes me um very credible she goes oh okay okay she just called courtney

1:09:00Ronnie Karam: a non-credible person don't don't don't corny's like what's that about well she's an award-winning

1:09:08Ben Mandelker: planner she's won awards oh okay hold on hold on so what you're saying is so you know you called me a couple of weeks ago and you were asking me questions if i was like planning weddings so you were like trying to tee me up to be your planner is that what you're doing no i was calling you to welcome you to the group you did do that that's correct you did do that and in trying to get to know you i was asking you about yourself well that's what i'm asking you for were you calling me to get to know you to get to know you why are we then what are we arguing about me you would

1:09:49Ronnie Karam: have me plan your no you're not credible i want a credible wedding planner this is weird that courtney is going to call somebody out for not using them as being her wedding planner you've

1:10:03Ben Mandelker: known her for a week that's i know it's crazy it's also tacky to be literally trying to get new business like like at this table i mean i understand i literally just said juan dixon should have come to this to network but there's one thing about like networking and there's another thing to like shame someone for not hiring you i mean she should have been like oh girl well next time you should reach out to me i would have given you the friend discount or oh well if you need any help if you need any advice i have a really good eye i've been doing this i did cynthia bailey's what i've done tv weddings before like there's a way to do it not like so were you just like when you when you called me up were you trying to you're trying to fish for for wedding planning is that what you're doing do you want me to be your wedding planner why why am i not your wedding planner why why didn't you hire me that's like girl settle down yeah also because you have

1:10:50Ronnie Karam: terrible bad luck i mean your luck is really bad when your resume is i did cynthia's wedding i mean that lasted five minutes you know you need a stronger case yeah yeah exactly but stacy calls it really well she goes why would i want to hire her i mean clearly from the balloons and the baby's breath in the room with no gasps. I don't need your services.

1:11:18Ben Mandelker: Is that horrible to say?

1:11:21Ronnie Karam: We get a close up of the balloons and the baby's breath.

1:11:25Ben Mandelker: So were you generally asking if I was an event planner? Stacy's like, yeah, I was asking you about you. I was just trying to get to know you. She's like, oh, okay, cool. So Karen goes, I think I like her. So it's awkward. but then cynthia bailey walks in everyone's like oh thank god and they're like wow it's cynthia bailey so she comes in and then she sits down at the edge and then you know courtney courtney understands pecking order she has her gay swap seats she's like friend of 23 years can you sit all the way at the end cynthia bailey has to sit in the center next to me yeah exactly cynthia's like oh hi everybody

1:12:01Ronnie Karam: i'm here to do it on do what i do mostly on my show and had nothing she's like over here adding

1:12:07Ben Mandelker: nothing if you need me i will be here uh munching on snacks and giving crazy eyes to people as they say things around the table that's her the rest of the episode pretty much uh so then um

1:12:21Ronnie Karam: cynthia asked courtney how she's finding this group of ladies and she's like these ladies are crazy i mean god one of them's getting married and didn't even ask me to be her wedding planner and when he's like ashley before you came in there was a conversation about you that you through Giselle under the bus.

1:12:37Ben Mandelker: Well, there was some information that was shared during our G &A event, and I did find it kind of weird that Robin just wouldn't take it out of the podcast and instead put it to our group and the friends that we're sitting with. And Robin's like, oh, excuse me? Like, what are you talking about? Like, I did not do that. She's like, yeah, just our two friends, like Corey and Kel. It's like, oh, girl, please.

1:12:59Ronnie Karam: But why not just take it out and keep it moving? I don't know why it had to be something you brought to the forefront. That was strange behavior, Robin. What are you talking about? Giselle literally talked shit on our podcast. I looked out for Giselle and Tia by taking it out. Now I'm the bad guy?

1:13:15Ben Mandelker: Hey, hey, hey. Let's bring that down. Why don't we talk about something else? Why don't we talk about, I don't know, draperies or curtains or sofas. Oh, no. Another S word.

1:13:25Ronnie Karam: So they argue back and forth about that. The editing of a podcast. Well, I'm glad I know about it now. who um robin's like you started it ashley you went on stage and laughed about tia's situation it's like oh well isn't that convenient robin it's also true that's what you did yeah robin um

1:13:45Ben Mandelker: robin telling bringing up an anecdote about editing out giselle's joke in poor taste where cal and the other guy were there does not compare to you going up on a stage and broadcasting it to like a few hundred people and on social media. I'm sorry. Yeah.

1:14:01Ronnie Karam: And Ashley, it's like, yeah, but you're the one who brought it back. Ashley, it's only episode three. Acting like that happened 20 years ago and Robin's still harping on it. You just did it. So she's like, I didn't bring it back. She's like, yes, you did. Well, your friend brought it back. You're the messy one, Ashley. And you're the one laughing at her misfortune. You're messy.

1:14:24Ben Mandelker: so um you know alexi just looks down at his plate being like i just wanted to meet the man and stacy is like wait robin's the messy one she's like i'm the messy one apparently and she robin tells us girl stop you should never call anyone messy she's really trying to secure that spot on giselle's lap or something like i don't know girl and giselle is like like sorry sorry about your wife's friends uh alexi we're sorry about this we're making the scene

1:14:53Ronnie Karam: and then his friend didier whatever that guy's name is like i have a question i have a question isn't this alexis birthday why is this all ladies fighting and they're like yes good for you cheers to wealth and health everyone raised their drinks how entertaining it was once they turned the conversation back to Alexi nothing happened and there was nothing left to film. The show had to end immediately. Yeah, did here. There's a reason you're on a house. This is a housewives show, sir. Okay.

1:15:24Ben Mandelker: It's like standard guy thing. Ladies, God, can't we do more than just bicker back and forth? Come on now. No, let them bicker. Let everyone bicker. Let everyone communicate. Exactly.

1:15:35Ronnie Karam: We're not here to hear about your small talk did here. okay mind your own beeswax well that brings us to the end of real housewives of patolic we'll be back with the full week of recaps don't forget to get your tickets uh coming up for philly and dc where we'll be doing real housewives of new york and real housewives of salt lake city and then austin houston and texas the week after also find all your other cities over at watch crappins.com and we will talk to you guys next time bye bye watch what crappins would like to

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