#3593 RHONY S16E8 Part One: Havana Slights

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1:58Ben Mandelker: Watch what happens when there's so much that happens.

2:28Ronnie Karam: Wow! We're doing two versions. We're doing the new people and then we're doing the Golden Life after that. Okay? So join us for both of those. Also, we're going to be in New York City because we're on tour! We're going to finish this tour off in New York City at the end of February with the Golden Crappy Awards, but first, next week we're going to Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. We're going to be doing Real Housewives of New York. We've never done to recap live of this cast so that's going to be fun and then we're going to do real housewives of salt lake city in washington dc on november 7th and then we're skipping right over to three texas shows dallas austin and houston then we'll be in nashville clearwater fort lauderdale san francisco salt lake city denver charleston atlanta seattle vancouver portland toronto boston and then the golden crappy so go over to watch what crappens to find that stuff also if you want ad-free listening or videos you get that stuff on patreon bonus episodes etc etc join us over there okay

3:38Ben Mandelker: yeah join us for all the fun times okay uh also yes by the way uh it is real housewives of new york day where we talk old and new this is the new we're on the new new reboot we'll be doing golden life after this uh which i hope people are able to watch because it's it is i'm finding it to be very entertaining and but i know that it's hard for people to watch this show because it's on e and e is now owned by a company called versant and they are not necessarily set up for streaming and so it's golden life is coming to streaming on hulu in november but it's not there yet so we hope people watch it because um i we first of all i enjoy recapping it so far i enjoy watching it and it should just get some love um anyways speaking of new york if there's any if there's been any franchise that's been a hotbed for feuds it's real housewives of new york and that was my segue to mention that the new episode of what's your order is now live i just press publish right before we started recording right here uh uh campfire is is my guest for this week and we're counting down the biggest bravo feuds biggest feuds of all time across the entire bravo universe and there were so many that it was really darn near impossible to get to whittle it down to just to five and i'm sure you all will be mad at us with our our picks because there are some that didn't make it on that you would think that would make it on and some that did and all that stuff so go watch it and then uh leave a comment saying what your favorite feuds are and while you're doing that go subscribe because the subscription is free it's a free thing to do and it's easy but it really helps our youtube grow and that's important to us so thanks ahead of time and that

5:30Ronnie Karam: was my plug for what's your order okay let's get into real housewives of new york season 16 episode

5:37Ben Mandelker: eight havana fights i love this episode cuban themed cuban themed i was cracking up during this episode i was laughing i have something wild i'm about to say ronnie and i don't know if you or anyone in the audience is gonna like it so i have to speak my truth because this is a podcast and this is a platform for truth telling i have to say my thing that i'm gonna say is that i like psi now like it's not just like oh she's she's better now i actually genuinely really like psi i'm like down with psi i never thought i'd say this because in her first season i thought she was one of the all-time worst housewives and then last season i was like oh she's getting but you know she's not so bad and now i think i like genuinely i'm like a psi fan i don't know how that happened.

6:29Ben Mandelker: But I have to be honest. That's how I feel. Am I crazy? Well, speak your truth.

6:35Ronnie Karam: I'm not a hater. I think, look, I come from here. I really like that you are enjoying this season of New York so much. I definitely think it's a marked improvement over what they've been giving us. I think it's been pretty good. But no, I mean, I don't really. I think. No, no. No. I mean, no, I'm not a hater, but I just, I think it's a lot of trying hard for stuff that I don't really get. Like, she's trying too hard with Daisy, which are obviously just friends. So they're like, we'll go on TV and fight. And they're fighting about stupid things. And I don't even think they mean it. And then the divorce stuff she's peddling, I don't really get any of that either.

7:19Ronnie Karam: Like, I don't know. I don't really get it. but I do, I am entertained by watching her just tell everybody off all the time. Like she really does have a fuck. And I do respect somebody that's like, I don't care if you like me, you know, like me or not, I'm going to say whatever I want to. So I think that those are really good qualities to have. Yeah.

7:41Ben Mandelker: I think I'm really responding well to how quick she is with her like responses. And she is kind of like, I don't give a fuck. And I think Dave, I don't know. I'm not getting a vibe that they've planned these fights together. To me, it seems like Daisy is upwardly mobile, and she's trying to ascend in the cast, and Sai is clocking it. and the way that Daisy's going to move up is by pushing Psy down a bit. And Psy is like, shut the fuck up. And I've been just very entertained by her. So that's my confession of the day, is that I've become a Psy fan.

8:24Ronnie Karam: Well, that's good. You know, that's helpful.

8:27Ben Mandelker: When we watch the show every week. It is helpful. I'm a fan of the reboot. And everyone knows I was extremely vocal from the get-go that I hated the reboot. And now the reboot of the reboot, I'm totally on board with. I feel like everything's right. Yeah.

8:46Ronnie Karam: Well, you've got it. So happy Wednesday because you've been given a gift. It's an episode of the reboot. So we started Erin's Townhouse. We haven't seen this one, right? This is her new, I feel like Erin has a new place all the time. But this is her new place and this is on the Upper West Side and it's an older place and they've chosen a lot of paint colors that I don't really like for this place. Yeah, it looks older, like maroon. And I think there's like a darkish blue, which normally I love a color in house, but I'm anti her interior decorating.

9:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she tells us later in the episode that their family got a little bit bigger and they moved to this rental in the Upper West Side. And yeah, I mean, she's been shooting her confessionals from a green screen of this place. But I feel like this is the first time we've really spent some time in it. And to me, it's definitely older. It looks like a building where I took classes in college. It has this wooden wainscoting. I don't know what you would call it. But there's just a lot of wooden finishes that make it look like an old, creaky building that you take a history class in. And I say that as someone who took many history classes in old creaky buildings up at Dartmouth.

10:08Ben Mandelker: And it kind of has that feeling of stagnant air and being up too early in the morning. You partied the night before and I've got to sit and take notes somewhere. That's the energy I got from this townhome. And by the way, it's nothing against the townhome. It's a beautiful townhome. But it definitely took me back to college and just being up.

10:31Ronnie Karam: Well, so it's New York places too, right? They're really old, like pre-war buildings and stuff. So you don't expect it to be brand new, modern, but it's just the color choices and stuff. It's just the design of it. It's not the actual age of it or anything like that. It's just the design. And it's a lot of walking upstairs for little kids and downstairs. I'm like, go hold the baby while you're walking down the stairs. But then again, you're in New York, so I guess your kids are going to have to learn to carry babies walking down. I don't know why this is how I started the episode. I was like, I don't like this apartment, and I don't like the stairs in it.

11:08Ben Mandelker: I also had a reaction to it as well. I was like, I respect that this is an older townhome, and that it has lots of character. It probably costs millions of dollars, but it's not telegenic. And they didn't do anything to help it be telegenic. you know, the, the, the sofa, the color of the sofas were, are pointed out at one point in this episode and they're, they're brash and it's like hot in there. You can see everyone's like fanning themselves and there's, it just feels like old and, and it feels tough. It feels like a tough townhouse.

11:43Ronnie Karam: It doesn't feel glam. You know, it doesn't feel glamorous for sure. And no matter what people say about Jessel this season, she's correct as usual when she's like, what are these party decorations? decorations dollar store what are these dollar store paper and they're like to point that out yeah they're like you can't say that it's cuban she's like what the cuban dollar tree that's

12:08Ben Mandelker: hideous really oh gosh it was so funny um so erin explains to us abe's birthday is coming up and he's turning 43 and i feel like we've been under so much stress lately and we just like deserve to have a little bit of fun. And Abe's mom was born in Havana, Cuba, and he feels very connected to his Cuban heritage. So I'm throwing him a Cuban-themed party because there's nothing he loves more than Cuban music and Cuban food and being Abe the Babe. So you should see he can move his hips. He can salsa. He can dance. It's true what they say about a Latin lover. They know what they're doing. I feel like we've never...

12:46Ben Mandelker: Why have we not seen Abe dance before? Let's see him shake those hips. Let's see Abe do some salsa.

12:54Ronnie Karam: Well I'm sure Abe can get down You've got 19 children Smuggler Abe the babe Abe the babe's also been working it out

13:02Ben Mandelker: So he's doing that thing where he's now Suddenly showing up in a tight black t-shirt He's like I'm Abe the babe in my confessional Talking about why I'm upset about not using the nanny But also showing off my guns

13:14Ronnie Karam: So she's talking to her assistant She's like Okay I just wanted to go over The amazing things from our party there's a couple of things okay i really don't like this color no i want folded napkins no no i don't like that i want gold email cloths do we have a cigar roller and she just goes on and on and on and then um we go to jessel's apartment and she's like oh hello povet what are we having for lunch today he's like uh peanut butter and jelly it's like god povet the food influencing

13:51Ben Mandelker: think it's really going well for him um so he's like so uh how was the trip she's like well i mean i think i mean it's a gorgeous place obviously as we know but like by the way you really need to work on getting yourself an island villa part of it because it was major like i mean it's like so gorgeous and he's like yeah well i mean why do we need one because anchor has one right and she's like no i know but we can't keep on going on vacation with them though

14:19Ronnie Karam: But anyway, I mean, I had a great time and respect to the villa and the experience, but here's what gets interesting. Sai brings up all this stuff she's been hearing. Erin's talking about her separation. Blah, blah, blah. Fight, fight, fight. You're gay. You're gay? Are you gay? What? And it's like, oh, God. So, wait, she's saying that I'm gay? She's like, well, you bat for the other team. He's like, well, I'm gay? Yes, that's what that means, prophet. He's like, I mean, this team, I don't want to bat.

14:50Ben Mandelker: But like, uh, but gay, I mean, like, I mean, well, first of all, I know myself and I'm straight and ask any of my gay friends. I only project straightness and not that it's a bad thing being gay, but like, I'm clearly only projecting straightness. Okay, well, okay, there's nothing wrong with that. But it's the fact that she's literally going around using it like it's ammunition. Like, you know, at first it's Vietnam, and you're going to a foreign country to hook up. And now she's spreading rumors about the fact that you're cheating on me and leading a double life again. I mean, could you imagine a man who eats peanut butter and jelly for fun and calls himself a food influencer is actually cheating on me?

15:29Ben Mandelker: Someone in the fashion industry? It's more insulting than you can even imagine.

15:34Ronnie Karam: on yeah and they take this as such all the straight people take this as such a criticism like oh he's gay how do you think the gay people feel y 'all just throwing us whoever you want you know there's like a certain you know we like povet and everything but you guys can't just throw anybody you want onto the gay pile you know yeah like some peanut butter and jelly eaten you know guy who flies back and forth from vietnam for points and to eat you know the it's just not these aren't very gay things, I feel like. Although I'm a peanut butter and jelly gay, as we all know. But still. I don't know.

16:09Ronnie Karam: I feel like you should be... If someone's like, your husband's gay, it should be because he's massively worked out and perfectly groomed and I don't know, sucks a dick every once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. Throw them all at us.

16:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Seriously.

16:28Ronnie Karam: We don't want all your leftovers. No offense, Povett. So he's like, well, but this is the history of what Erin's done, you know, historically. This is what Erin does. You know, she says mean things. And also, I'd like to point out, as is also pointed out by other cast members, Psy also. Psy was the one also was like, but that's weird. Going to Vietnam? What's he doing? What is it, sex tourism? And Psy is also the one who brought Povett out of the closet on national TV. So I'm not sure how Jaisal is just letting Cy off for everything and only blaming Aaron. But yeah.

17:05Ben Mandelker: Well, because Cy is. Come for both. Because Aaron has always been so clunky with her pot stirring. And Cy, at least, you know, the thing with Cy is that I do feel like if she was confronted about it, she would say, okay, I said it. You know, I was being bitchy. What can I say? Okay. What's new? She did. And that's like, what do you say to that? You know? She's like, yeah, okay. I said it. It was wrong.

17:29Ronnie Karam: You know what? Okay, it's wrong to say that you were going to Vietnam for sex tourism and possibly having sex with underage men. Okay, whatever. Fine. I said it. Sorry. That's what I thought. You're right. It is harder to pin someone down.

17:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Aaron will say something like, I only said it because you were being mean to me first. And, you know, I don't understand. Like, I was just like talking shit the way everyone talks shit. Like, why are you getting upset? Like, that's her response. And then you say, but wait a second. You still don't get it.

17:59Ronnie Karam: but her side's like, yeah, okay.

18:01Ben Mandelker: She just sort of...

18:03Ronnie Karam: Her response to the Epstein list thing was pretty epic, too, when Carol's like... Yeah, I really didn't like how you write those questions you were asking me. She's like, yeah, yeah, that was a lot. Because you came into the group. And, you know, you're like, on Epstein files, that's a lot. Yeah, that's why I said it. Anything else? She's like, uh... I'm not a guy.

18:26Ronnie Karam: So, Jaisal... Oh, yeah, Jaisal is like... She's spreading it like wildfire. She's crossed the line again and again and again. And now she's so beyond the line that she's a distant fucking dot. Can't even see her.

18:43Ben Mandelker: Jussel Burns. Yeah. Distant dot. So Pavit says, I mean, she's just not a trustworthy person. She's like those old ladies, you know? They just start rumors. They just start gossiping with all their friends. you know that's what she is she's just like a 90 year old woman trapped in like a 50 year old woman's body I like 50's love it I love that Povet does like he's trying to go for one type of shade but he actually bonks her with a much better shade in the process

19:18Ronnie Karam: he actually bonks her with kind of gay shade don't you think? or he's like old she's not 50 Povet and he's like, oh, she looks 50. How old is she? She's like, shit.

19:36Ben Mandelker: But by the way, I do think it's funny whenever straight men are like, oh, you know, she's just like one of those old ladies that just gossips all day long. I was like, excuse me, the biggest gossips are the straight men every single time. So don't come for the woman with that. But I will accept the accidental shade about Erin being 50, even though I actually don't think she looks 50. but I appreciated the sentiment anyway. I don't think she looks pretty.

20:00Ronnie Karam: I think Abe looked, I was surprised that Abe was 43. I thought Abe was closer to 50.

20:07Ben Mandelker: Erin does not look, Erin looks great, by the way. I feel like, I mean, I talk so much about Erin, but one thing I will say is, I think she looks great, and I think her style is really good. So, you know, I will defend her on that front. Not that she needs it, but why not? Being friendly to her.

20:22Ronnie Karam: So, yeah. He's like, what is she? was she just a gossipy old lady a 90 year old a 50 year old's body i was like stop talking about us like we're supposed to talk about you guys not you guys talking about us it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial i'm sick of things stressing me out the other day i was running late nearly ran over an armadillo i felt so bad i'll tell you

20:48Ben Mandelker: about stress imagine performing a cabaret 10 times a week or learning a 17th language like

20:55Ronnie Karam: Like, French Peruvian. Bon Gisissimo.

20:58Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy. It's a great way to shift your mood. Yeah, but everyone's always, like, recommending a million shows. Like, you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say, what do I have to watch? Now I'm all about, how do I want to feel?

21:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

21:19Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

21:31Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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24:28Ronnie Karam: so we go to Sai's apartment and Daisy comes and she brings wine so I was like well were you just trying to show me up because I didn't bring anything to your place

24:40Ben Mandelker: she's like oh you brought you brought wine That's nice. So Sai says, did I fucking tell you what happened when I got home from this trip? As soon as I got out of the car, this guy comes up out of nowhere with a blazer and a hoodie. And the hoodie was over his head. And he goes, Sai.

24:57Ronnie Karam: And I said, yeah. And he goes, you've been served.

25:00Ben Mandelker: And Daisy's like, what? What did he serve you? Was it high end? Was it Chablis? Was it Dom Perignon? Because I don't want to be served anything cheap.

25:09Ronnie Karam: Well, you've officially been served 90 % more than we were on that terrible poor person vacation we just went on No, divorce papers, divorce papers She's like, oh my god, I thought that only happened in movies She's like, yeah, me too But it's a real thing I thought I was getting robbed And then here I am getting served divorce papers

25:31Ben Mandelker: But I'm holding my head up high And I'm trying to get through this The kids deserve to see someone who's strong and has it together and if I crack, then they know something is wrong. I'm like, you literally have cracked. You're literally fractured in the knee, but that's okay.

25:47Ronnie Karam: Also, you are getting robbed. It's just going to be monthly

25:51Ben Mandelker: until your children are on the team. Yes. Also, I love the idea that she's getting robbed by someone who knows her. It's like, meaning like sigh, sigh, oh my god, I'm being robbed by someone who knows my name.

26:06Ronnie Karam: So Daisy's like The guy who served me the papers Charged me for it God damn it David So Daisy's like Why didn't you call me I would have come here right away I would have came here or something She's like no I couldn't do it I was in disbelief A hoodie A hoodie

26:23Ben Mandelker: Sorry I just was You know what I just wanted to go home You know my knees are messing everything She's like yeah But I even called you When you got your home And your phone It was on do not disturb Okay Daisy this is not about you okay she didn't want she didn't want to call you it's okay and si i was

26:38Ronnie Karam: like you know what i just wanted to hang out call you because you would have said come over and she i don't want to go to your house nobody wants to go to your house that too and i think

26:49Ben Mandelker: si had a great response which is you know what more importantly i just wanted to go to bed it's like that's it that's it that makes total sense i'm totally on si's side with this team I'm Psy. As a new Psy head, I'm totally in favor of her response. Hold on, my foam finger's about to arrive. Your foam finger.

27:15Ronnie Karam: I'm a Psy head. So I wanted to go to bed. Okay, by the way, I didn't tell you what happened with Darren. So I got mad at her because she was telling everybody about my divorce, but it turns out she heard it from a gay makeup artist, okay? So the makeup artist comes to do a makeup. He tells her, oh, I heard Simon and David are separating. So then she starts to kiki with him and tell him all the tea. And so she's saying, now you know where I'm coming from. I didn't say it. I heard it. Then I said it. So you know what? There's no accountability there. There's no accountability. She gets drunk and she gets loosey-goosey.

27:47Ronnie Karam: She's an alcoholic loosey-goose.

27:50Ben Mandelker: Have you ever seen a goose walking around? It's not like belonging to a zoo, but it's also kind of drunk. That's how I drunk loosey-goosey. So we hugged it out at the end, and we still have to work on what's next, but I do feel a little weary after that. So then Daisy says, yeah, like, do you have my back? Yeah, do you have my back? Things like that. No, I really want, I do really do want to move forward,

28:10Ronnie Karam: but I'm moving forward with caution. Because so right now, Erin is just, you know, she's just a surface friend.

28:15Ben Mandelker: She's fun when you hang out, but Erin's not going to be that friend that I call it in 3A game if I got locked up and I need someone to bail me out. Definitely. I mean, just, who would call Erin? And she'd be like, really? You got locked up? Really? And then she'd gossip to every single person in New York about it. Did you hear she got locked up? Yeah.

28:34Ronnie Karam: I like being a good friend to my friends. And I feel like I am a good friend to my friends. I do not want to be the friend that you call at three in the morning when you get locked up. That's it. I just don't want to. I don't want that duty. And my phone's going to be turned off anyway. So I don't think anybody would have me as that. And I'll complain about having to pay your bail or your bond, whatever the fuck you have to do. don't call me don't call me for that um so that said i don't think this is that big of a diss like oh i wouldn't call her if i was in jail at three in the morning good show me how to be that kind of a friend to you well it's too bad because erin looks like she lives in a bail bond

29:11Ben Mandelker: office now well so si then says wait i know that was so mean that was so mean she's like in a beautiful town home and i'm calling it a bail bond office it's a very high-end why are you so

29:21Ronnie Karam: worried about the cast of real housewives of new york today do you have plans to know i don't care

29:25Ben Mandelker: about this of new york no it's like it's about it's upholding my standards and my standards of i feel like if you're just shitty about everything then you're shitty about nothing so i need to pick and choose the things i'm shitty about because that way i'm really feeling for something I bonked you like Bob it accidentally no it's just kind of like what like it's more like what I'm taking just like I'm taking a I'm doing a cheap shot on like a rented town home that's like worth like 12 million dollars and I'm like like a bail bond office I'm better than this I could I could I could do better well you can't buy taste it looks like a DMV there we go see next

30:12Ronnie Karam: hey now let's talk about this chick hayley and her confusing stories what the fuck is up with that ding dong and what's with those barrettes in here i don't get it you know so they're saying every time they every time they ask hayley a question she just goes in circles which i mean they're right but i don't think anybody gets anything from anything from hayley i mean Haley's like the last person you want to call to be a witness in a more case. She's just never going to tell you anything. I don't think she knows. She's out to lunch.

30:46Ben Mandelker: So here's what's so funny. This will not have any spoilers whatsoever, but last night I went and saw You Can See Anything, which is, of course, this much-hyped documentary about Elizabeth Holmes. You Can See Everything. Did I say You Can See Anything? You Can See Anything. How about Waterford? elephants it's a documentary about the about the tv guide like well what do you want to watch today you can see anything it's very compelling no you can see everything and it was very good i really liked it a lot and there's a lot to talk about and a lot to walk back there and obviously because it's elizabeth holmes so much of it is like about unreliable narrators and like is she telling the truth is she lying so you can't get a straight answer out of her and everything and i really enjoyed it but i there's part of me that feels like all these people who are actually just like losing their mind over it i'm like you guys don't watch the real housewives we've been watching this documentary for years like yeah like if you've been watching the real housewives you know about these slippery ass you know uh criminals that have a real strange relationship with the truth now haley i'm not saying as a criminal we've had like but we've had our jen shaws friend of of Elizabeth Holmes in prison, ironically, and various other people.

32:04Ben Mandelker: So Haley's sitting here dodging the truth and giving these slippery answers. Like, this is what we tune in for. We're so used to this. And then, of course, all the intelligentsia being like, oh my God. It was, you know, it's such a meditation on what is the truth and what is knowledge and what can be known and what is artificial. And in this life of AI, I'm like, just watch Haley and Roni. Just watch any of the Housewives.

32:27Ronnie Karam: Just watch anybody on the Housewives. Oh, my gosh. Like when we were watching Salt Lake City, we were talking about Salt Lake City. And each one of them just lies, like one after the other. They just keep telling. And then they're arguing with each other's lies. No, but you lied. But you're all lying. So, yeah, it's just reality TV art. It looks kind of reality show to me. And the way that they're describing it, this movie you're talking about, how they're like, wow, it's like a documentary. but then you also see them breaking the fourth wall I'm like this is nothing new why don't you guys get out of each other's ass and turn off turn on Bravo

33:03Ben Mandelker: it's legitimately a really really good movie it doesn't need to be three hours maybe not but also I did have this weird feeling that like as a Real Housewives you know enthusiast some of this stuff we've actually seen before in a weird way I think people are like, again, there's no spoilers, but there's some crazy shit that people say in this movie. And people are like, wow, I can't believe you saw that. I can't believe she said that. But I feel like if you watch The Housewives, we've been down this path so many times. So, yeah, that's my review. You could just watch Haley on Roni. Pretty much all the same lessons.

33:49Ronnie Karam: And Daisy's like, you know, she can't tell the straight story. like it's like an art and i have an art i could find a cashmere sweater at salvation army that maybe cost two thousand dollars at one time you know so that's my art and then she can tell me the most confusing story that anybody's ever heard you're lying about your art because as

34:10Ben Mandelker: martha stewart pointed out you've got a mckenzie child's kettle on your stove okay so uh yeah until you get rid of that thing you can't be bragging about finding cashmere sweaters because your level is in the shitter, ma 'am.

34:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, although I would believe that she found that at the Salvation Army. It's like, oh my gosh, it's Mackenzie's child. Destroy it. Destroy it. So they've decided that they have taken enough lies, and they're going to get to the bottom of whatever Haley is hiding. So then we go over to Erica's apartment, and she gets orchids. It's a huge orchid plant. and there's a note from Daisy that's like, um, you know, here's some orchids. Thank you for the lovely poor person vacation. You know, this probably cost more than that entire vacation. Enjoy, hun.

35:00Ben Mandelker: It probably did. It was like six orchids. You know, each orchid's like$50. So that was an expensive bouquet. It was also like, it was too big. It was too big and it was so over the top. It was almost too, it was, this is where daisy shows that she is not um she's not martha martha would have sent maybe one or two i believe because it would not have been ostentatious but this is a crazy crazy display and they're all going to be dead in a week because that's what orchids do you had that orchid didn't you have that orchid that you still have it they came back to life after a year it just because apparently well apparently they're alive all that time after they lose their flowers they're still alive.

35:38Ben Mandelker: But the point is that it's a big, crazy display of something that's going to be flowerless very shortly.

35:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, for most of the year, it's just going to be sticks. Did you notice that, okay, they have green moss around the top of the stems, and then they flower. Little green moss rings. And then Erica's like, well, I've already got orchids, so whatever. And then they show the other orchids you have, and it's the exact same thing. Not because they're orchids, just it's the same plant. So I don't know if they got it from the same store. This seemed fishy to me. They were the exact same things because the other one had the green moss around the stem too and like six orchids. I don't know what kind of conspiracy this is, but I didn't believe this.

36:27Ronnie Karam: Or maybe Martha sent her the other orchids and was like, you should send her orchids from this place, and now she's just got all these Martha orchids. I don't know what I'm going for, but I know that those were two of the same plant and i'm not buying it well i also love that she was

36:41Ben Mandelker: um scooped by another orchid like daisy thought she was doing something by sending this ostentatious display of orchids to be like i'll show you what true wealth is or i'm going to show you what it's like to not be stingy with your money and maybe next time you'll fly it's private but someone already got someone else already got her got an orchid to the household before her i don't know why i was just amazed by that so erica's reading it and she's actually kind of disgusted by the whole thing and she's like oh so i'm sorry but you could have started being polite a week ago when we're on the island why does she want to be polite now it's like because you're back in new york city and now you're the one who could get her into cool parties probably so it's because

37:25Ronnie Karam: she got back to new york told martha what an asshole she was and martha was like did you hear me when I said that her husband got me$60 ,000 tickets to FIFA or whatever the fuck that thing is? You cannot be treating my friends like that. And then so she sent her an apology orchid.

37:45Ben Mandelker: That's probably 100 % true. Martha was, at the very least, was like, you are representing me whether you like it or not, so you better send some orchids and you will be paying for it from your own money. Yes.

37:58Ronnie Karam: Then we go to sign Daisy, still gossiping and Cy's like, oh, come on. You were complaining the whole time on Erica's trip. You complained, popcorn princess. You complained.

38:09Ben Mandelker: I can't help it. She's like, P.A. One Furniture. I was joking. Yeah, you were joking. Kind of. I was joking. Cy's like, I've known Daisy for over 20 plus years. And as long as I've known Daisy, she's been a complainer slash hater. She'll just say, oh, it's a joke. It's a joke. and we cut to Daisy saying, I was joking. It was a joke.

38:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now they're eating the sushi and Sly's like, why aren't you eating the sushi? Eat it. Like, well, you know, I don't know the fish. Eat the sushi. I know you eat the fish. Just eat the sushi. Well, maybe I'll have this cucumber one. No, eat it. This is very high end sushi. I know where the sushi came from. Eat the sushi. Eat it.

38:51Ben Mandelker: It was such a strange moment and I remember thinking, like, you would have thought the scene would have ended with the, like, earlier. I'm like, why do they keep in this stupid sushi moment of Simon?

39:02Ronnie Karam: Like, yeah, I got the fish for you. I got the yellowtail for you. Why don't you eat the yellowtail?

39:07Ben Mandelker: I was like, what? I was like, oh, they're really trying to go for a funny moment here. It didn't quite land. Little did I realize it was actually setting up a major feud later in the episode. Yes.

39:19Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Aaron's Sag Harbor House, and there's construction. We see Zach the Architect, who I think is played by Nathan Lane, and he's like, Guys, bad news. This house is going to cost$70 million of refurbs after your broken pipe. Like, oh my God, didn't you already tell insurance?

39:43Ben Mandelker: It sucks. I will say that really, really sucks. I mean,$2 to$3 million of repairs. I thought it'd be like$80 ,000, which also sucks. All of it sucks. But$2 to$3 million, that's insane. This is insane right now. so it's more than the damage in katrina

40:04Ben Mandelker: she's like when will someone write a song about me um so zach i'm so mad at george bush right now george bush just flies over in a helicopter and waves at her um he's like live in the dome live in the dome so so Aaron and Abe are sort of standing alone and like sort of shell-shocked much like a Maryland basketball team about the price of all this and Abe is just like yeah it's just like one thing after another you know new baby the house the business cool new black t-shirt that's really tight just everything it's a lot of pressure on all of us especially my biceps and uh Aaron's like yeah it's just been a lot so much stress especially since after the trip let's talk about the trip now and so now they just started talking about the vacation like they're sitting in the middle of this dramatic construction site and it's like but first let me tell you about how I'm annoyed at some of the girls yeah he's like oh my god this house is going

41:08Ronnie Karam: to be so much money for my parents to cover uh so uh Aaron's like okay well I know that I lived done good terms on the inside, but I was so mean. I was the meanest thing that ever happened to me in my life. He's like, yeah, it's like she's trying to put this on you, and she's the one making this a thing on national TV. I mean, it's one thing to talk about people being gay behind their back, but to do it on TV, I mean, that's just really mean. And she's like, yeah. And a lot of people know this right now, but nobody's announcing it, and then she's blaming it on me. She's blaming it on me after she announced that.

41:46Ben Mandelker: the only thing I've done wrong in this situation was trust Sai and confide in a friend. And I hope that hindsight helps Jessel realize this, because right now she's just targeting me. I'm like, yeah, because also you guys were feuding before this even came out. So why would she go after her ally right now? So Abe's like, yeah, it sounds like a mess.

42:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Sai's more than just an ally. She's a weapon to use against you. You know? That's right. I guess that's the main thing to remember. Jussel's like, okay, size horrible too, but at least you'll yell at Aaron for me. So listen, if everyone's going to call Povett gay, at least I'll have someone at my side yelling at Aaron.

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44:41Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Carol's apartment and Daisy shows up.

44:44Ronnie Karam: and carol's like hey can you take off your shoes please and daisy's like these are brand new shoes

44:52Ben Mandelker: literally just bought them they came out of the box put them on my feet went down the staircase got into the car came up the staircase they're brand new and carol's like let me see the bottoms and of course the bombs are all scuffed up proving that a they're not new and b that daisy's a fucking liar if you're gonna lie about your shoes what else are you gonna lie about this is gonna come back to haunt her. I'm going to tell you this right now. When Daisy comes back next season, she is going to be on... She's going to bear the brunt of it. She will have her season where everyone says,

45:19Ronnie Karam: It's not true with Daisy. Nothing adds up. Daisy told me that she was wearing new shoes in my house, but they weren't new. John Donne.

45:35Ronnie Karam: So, Daisy takes off her shoes, and she loves Carol's apartment, because it's really cute and um she's like whoa i don't get fomo in many places but like this place is amazing where do these couches come they're custom they're custom well they're my mother-in-law's couches and um you know she's very famous you might have heard of her but i don't want to talk about it it's traumatic so i had him recovered wow i made pillows out of them so uh carol is like Are you going, are you invited to Erin's townhouse?

46:10Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah.

46:11Ronnie Karam: Oh, good.

46:12Ben Mandelker: Phew, I was worried. She's like, isn't that where Abe's party is at our house? Yeah. Okay, well, we have so much to talk about. Okay, first of all, that 17-hour journey back together, it's not worth it. Oh, God, connecting through Miami.

46:27Ronnie Karam: To connect, a boat ride, a car ride, a this, a that. I said, do you guys travel like this when you go to your island? She says, no, we fly private. But it's like, oh, yeah, well, of course they do. I mean, there was just so many of us. It's like the seven of us. We can fit on a private plane. I cannot believe I started edging over onto Daisy's side for this one. A 17 hour journey. No, that's crazy to go to your island that you can, you know, just brag about on TV. No, you're not. I'm not going 17 hours for your long three day ad or whatever the fuck you just made me sit through. No. and I like when she said I could just I could go to a higher place in Aruba like I don't care just

47:07Ben Mandelker: let's go closer why did it take I guess so they did have to take a boat from the island probably to a larger island and then take a plane from there to Miami so there's probably just like yeah that that does add up I also have to imagine when they're like oh it's just seven of us like But how many people in production are coming to? You've got a few producers. You've got cameramen. You've got sound people, all that.

47:35Ronnie Karam: Well, those people can fly on the other plane. But if you're inviting me as your friend.

47:41Ben Mandelker: They're just your workers.

47:43Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, it's a TV show. So we fly for these people. And we don't ever get to fly first. We fly in the shitty middle seat and coach. That's how it goes. but if i'm one of the real housewives yes well and you have a private plane and you're a billionaire and this whole thing is serving as an ad for your fucking island then yeah i would you should have

48:06Ben Mandelker: done uh the plane uh well obviously the producers were like let's put them through hell and make them cranky they're they're flying they're not just flying uh flying you know commercial they're they're flying like steerage. We're actually going to put them on a UPS plane and stick them in the back with the boxes and just send them out with parachutes. They're going to do whatever they can to make people angry. Again, producers, they love to hijinks. Angry as they get to Anchory. Anchor's Island. It's Anchor's Island, so they're going to make them Anchory. Anchory.

48:45Ronnie Karam: So Carol's like, that trip, the group dynamic was just a little bit insane. I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous, but I think the rumor that Cy brought up about Povett was not great. It just hurts Jessel. And she shouldn't have said a lot of things. Everyone's like, oh, she's cool. She's cool. But that has not been my experience.

49:08Ben Mandelker: So Daisy's like, you know what? There's a major soft side to her. You just, you know, you just got to get it. You know, like when Haley started hyperventilating and fighting with Aaron, and, you know, Cy ran outside and tried to console her. I'm like, okay, so... I don't think that speaks so much to Cy being super soft. It's more about you guys all being bitches. Like, Cy did, like, a very normal thing, which is, like, a friend was in distress, so she went after her. It was like, oh, let me check on this girl.

49:35Ronnie Karam: And also her motivation was more like, listen, you're on Housewives. You can't just run away. You gotta go back in there and fight. You know?

49:42Ben Mandelker: Daisy as the hostess should have gone out there and gone after Haley, by the way, as the hostess and as a fellow newbie.

49:49Ronnie Karam: Well, she was too busy defending her lack of salt on dishes. So she's like, listen, you know, Sai's just Sai, and she's not an empathetic person. You know how some people have that? She's like, yeah, empathy. She doesn't have that. But that's not good. She doesn't care. She has no empathy. She's like, well, and then, you know, she's very mad that you never go to her house, so I'm going to try and start a fight with you guys now. And she's like, oh, God, I went to a house yesterday, and she orders sushi, but I don't eat supermarket sushi. I mean, she's got this fancy fucking apartment, and I'm getting served literally the fast food sushi.

50:27Ronnie Karam: I mean, listen, I took my time of peeling off many layers of... Empathetic people wouldn't get used to all about sushi.

50:36Ben Mandelker: I don't believe that that was supermarket sushi, by the way. I'm going to say that right now. as a defender of Psy I will say that that would look like it was normal ass sushi, it was not supermarket and I think that Daisy has this thing where she does think that she's a lot fancier than she is so she's like, oh my god, I'm not going to touch that but by the way, I mean supermarket sushi is not the best but like, it's also it's fine, it's fine enough

51:02Ronnie Karam: I serve supermarket sushi

51:04Ben Mandelker: yeah, like we all there's a reason why it's sold, because we eat it you know, there's a demand for it

51:09Ronnie Karam: And I see the people making it. You know, they're fancy, and they're back there like, ooh, hello, I'm cutting the sushi, fresh for the supermarket. What's the difference? They're all flash frozen fish that you all are eating. Who cares if a grocery store person cuts it, or a guy who's charging you 20 times the amount is cutting it? And this is what - Big deal. So chuck a fish on some rice. Shut up and eat it.

51:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, shut up. So Daisy's like, you know, we've known each other for 20 years, and she's far from an open book. She's like an iPhone that you forgot your password for. It takes a lot of time for it to open up. But when she does, then you have to do more passwords and then do some two-factor authentication. And then you actually are, now she's a brick and you have to go to the iPhones to get a new side. But you know, it's fine. She's an amazing person. And I want more people to know that about her.

51:58Ronnie Karam: And then you're hacked anyway. You do 19 factors of authentication and then you're hacked. My Twitter was hacked last week. It was ridiculous. It was, and I don't even go on there. So I didn't know. Someone told me on like Instagram or something. I think that your account has been tweeted or hacked. So I went over there and looked at it and it was a guy holding one of those little, not a Frenchie. What are the dogs? A pug. You know, those crazy looking dogs. It's a guy at his computer holding a pug and then a lot of Chinese writing. and then it was some girls dressed like school girls you know like catholic school girls and uniforms uh taking pictures of themselves in the mirror like selfies and then a bunch of chinese riding under there and i was like what are they even trying to sell on my why would you hack my thing to just show your outfit your school girl outfit it's weird there was like nothing offensive and i was like if you're gonna hack me do put a cute dog thank you for putting your deranged shooting pug.

53:09Ben Mandelker: So Daisy's saying that, Cy, you just have to get to know her. Okay? And Carol says,

53:14Ronnie Karam: No, I'm at a point in my life, I don't really like onions. I like Macintosh apples. Specifically Macintosh.

53:21Ben Mandelker: Daisy goes, Well, I'm not an onion.

53:23Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah, you're like me. You're an apple. Okay? She's a PC. You're a Macintosh. and you're like a little bruised up from life. You know, you're exactly what you appear to be. Just some person who pretends that they don't eat supermarket sushi but has popcorn ceilings. I don't know why I'm talking like this now. Anyway, Carol's voice is back. You're like the authentic apple.

53:44Ben Mandelker: And Daisy's like, yeah, totally. But Carol's like, I don't like

53:49Ronnie Karam: to fuck with onions. I've been burned by onions.

53:55Ben Mandelker: And then she says, it reminds me of the feature film Hero starring Geena Davis where she gets up in front of an audience and she peels an onion to show that there's so many layers of something but sometimes when you get to the middle there's nothing in the center and that's the whole point of Geena Davis' monologue is that you peel and peel and peel and peel and you get to nothing.

54:16Ronnie Karam: Meanwhile you're giving a talk and now you smell like BO because you peeled an onion in public. Who did you just teach? Nobody, Geena Davis.

54:25Ben Mandelker: And you're crying and no one believes you that you're not having an emotional reaction. You're just merely, your eyes are burning. But everyone's like, are you okay? This is something deeper. Like, no, I'm just reacting to the onion. It's tough. Yeah.

54:37Ronnie Karam: So Carol's saying, Sigh, come on. She's complicated in uninteresting ways. I mean, she's screaming, she's weaponizing, she's destroying reputations for very little reason. That to me is so boring predictable. I mean, the Epstein list, jeez, is so passé at this point. Am I right? I did

54:59Ben Mandelker: like when she said,

55:00Ronnie Karam: Much like an onion, when you peel back a layer of an onion, you're not getting watermelon, you're just getting more onion.

55:08Ben Mandelker: I actually cracked up at that. Because that was... People say that all the time, like, they're like an onion, you just gotta peel back the layers. And Carol's like, no, but you're not getting anything new. You're just getting more, and it's all the same.

55:23Ronnie Karam: It's a lot of the same shitty way.

55:25Ben Mandelker: It was kind of like an amazing rejection of that metaphor. Good for you, Carol. You really are a writer.

55:35Ronnie Karam: Substack. So Daisy's like, well, I could be the most compassionate person, but she could also be the coldest. You know what? She just doesn't have empathy, and that's it. She's like, well, I'm not down with that. I'm a, you know, what other list I'm on. The empathy list.

55:55Ronnie Karam: Now onions, please.

55:57Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Hayley's pied-a-terre, where she's lying in bed, and she's receiving visitors. And so Carol shows up, and Hayley's like, could you take off your shoes, please? And Carol's like, really? I'm like, Carol? We literally just got out of a scene where you made Hayley, I mean, Daisy, take off her shoes. And now you're resisting.

56:19Ronnie Karam: Oh, hey, you came over to see me while I'm sick. Did you bring me a coconut water? Did you bring me a coconut water? Yes, I brought you a coconut water.

56:30Ben Mandelker: So she's all glammed up despite being in her sick bed. And she explains that she had her makeup artist come over and do her makeup. That's what I love. The germaphobe. The germaphobe who's like doesn't want to touch anything because she doesn't want to get sick. but will make someone come over to her house while she's sick and get right into her face to put makeup on her.

56:50Ronnie Karam: And then put them out of work for two weeks because they get sick.

56:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. But God forbid that she gets sick, but she'll spread to everyone else.

56:57Ronnie Karam: That's how people are. It's like human nature. People are so paranoid about getting sick, but when they're sick, they don't care. They're just like, not covering their mouth or blowing their nose all over the place in the grocery store. Or all these like

57:14Ben Mandelker: Awful and then like there's always that like Random unscientific declaration I'm not contagious anymore I'm not contagious Says who? What are you an immunologist? Okay don't tell me about when you're contagious or not You're disgusting right now And you are contagious until I say so Because I know immunology better than you

57:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah Haley with her finger on the pulse Of you know Scientific medical breakthroughs I'm not contagious just no more okay so um do you feel like you were put on the spot on the vacation because everybody was asking you so many questions what about your business what about your marriage what about that crazy widow death watch the carol has do you think it's cursed oh that reminds me i have this crazy widow death watch and it kills people it kills the husbands of whoever wears it

58:08Ben Mandelker: so Haley is like you know yeah you know when that when that happens it's just like it's so hard for me because like on the spot I don't know it's like it's mixed you know I hate being asked questions on the spot and having to have an answer I mean that's why you get a publicist right so anyway my job is I'm a publicist and I don't understand why people don't understand that she's like you know it's mixed with serious stuff because like the tabloid thing happened and And sometimes I just, I don't know if I like a, it's like a piece of me has like numbed a lot to that stuff. You know, Haley's ongoing John and Kate plus eight trauma persists here in her sick bed.

58:47Ronnie Karam: Yes. Haley, who does absolutely does not want to talk about that, who has not let it go for one single scene this season. It's like, you know, all that stuff with the tablet, what stuff? Did John and Kate plus eight? Like, John Gosselin, his eight children, his horrible wife, who've traumatized me. It's my mother's fault. What? Okay, never mind. You know, it's just those were tacky questions, you know? It's the most tacky questions I ever experienced. Well, not experienced. I have had a lot of unfortunate questions asked in my lifetime. But anyway, for me to open up, I love that. I've had a lot of unfortunate questions asked me of my lifetime.

59:29Ben Mandelker: Her mom was about to jump on screen. It was really, we've had a lot of unfortunate questions. So she's like, so for me, I have to feel a level of safety and consistency. I'm not some emotionally slutty woman. I mean, I'm not emotionally slutty. But you have to earn my trust. The idea of her rejecting being emotionally slutty, what does that even mean to be emotionally slutty? Is that you feel things for a lot of people all at once? You're overly empathetic for a lot of people? I don't get it. But I liked it. I liked it. You share your emotions with everybody.

1:00:01Ronnie Karam: I think emotionally slutty is a very good term, actually, for 2026. I think that's what people are. It's like, how are you doing today? Oh, traumatized. How are you? I mean, Jesus, you'll not believe what I went through. And then they list their 30 traumas of the day. It's like, okay, that's emotionally slutty. That's true. Yeah.

1:00:22Ben Mandelker: It's a good term.

1:00:23Ronnie Karam: I think that's what it means. So she's like, I just don't, you know, I don't share stuff like that. But, you know, I'm slutty in the regular way, just not the emotional way. And Carol's like, well, you do have a very unconventional situation. For example, you're in a bed with makeup and I'm having to sit on a bed couch without a back. Well, remember, normality is only what you live. All right. Everyone think about that for a minute. Think about it for a minute. It'll make sense. Okay, it won't make sense. I don't know. It was something to say.

1:00:57Ben Mandelker: you know, I have an unconventional situation. I'm married to an actual sandwich. It's a Ruben. And Ruben does his own thing on Martha's Vineyard.

1:01:05Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah. And he doesn't mind that you're out with women?

1:01:09Ben Mandelker: He's like, no, no, no. Do you want to sleep with men? She's like, oh, I don't want to deal. Like, I just don't want to deal with it. I'd rather just clean up eyelash extensions and my hair on my floor than deal with their little hair shavings, you know?

1:01:23Ronnie Karam: That's funny. I mean, I barely want to sleep with men at this point. neither. Although if they were young and hip like I am and I could ride on the handlebars their bike I'd never say never. Am I right? Honestly, just you know like sometimes nowadays they don't bring anything to the table these men. I mean unless you want to have babies and this and that. What do you get? Little hairs around your house. That's it. I mean

1:01:49Ben Mandelker: Ruben's my child. Okay? He's my child. You know I've been like a mom to Ruben this entire time.

1:01:54Ronnie Karam: But why don't you just like be like that person to him and just like not be married to him like well now now you can do it like why why are you doing that she's like um uh because i'm very rich it's like what part of you not understanding here why would you just be friends with the exorbitantly rich person that you're married to um you know i listen my son is basically a sandwich made with shaved beef there. And sometimes you just got to understand. It's like, no, I don't get it. Why didn't you just be French? Like, listen, I'm at a new chapter. I'm deciding like a fork in the road. Why is there a fork in the road?

1:02:40Ronnie Karam: Sometimes you have to ask yourself, are people eating the road? Who eats road? To eat your zone. I don't want to eat a road. And that's it.

1:02:48Ben Mandelker: I have to protect Ruben at all costs. What if someone eats him with that fork in the road? There's never been a reason to get divorced before because it works. I heat him up in the microwave and then I just smell him. I don't eat him because then I wouldn't have him anymore. It's like that saying, you can't eat it. Your cake can have it too. Well, it works for Rubens as well. Here's the thing.

1:03:08Ronnie Karam: If that man wants to be happy, he can wait until the weekend when I'm going to my own apartment and he can dip himself in some zoo.

1:03:16Ben Mandelker: We call that a hybrid Rubens, a French dip Ruben.

1:03:20Ronnie Karam: That's what I'm thinking of, a French dip. Okay, what's the Reuben, then?

1:03:25Ben Mandelker: Reuben is either pastrami or corned beef topped with sauerkraut and Swiss and also some Russian dressing, and it's delicious. I take it all back. I take it all back. Some mother you are.

1:03:40Ronnie Karam: You misgendered your sandwich, baby. I'm sorry. You mismeated your sandwich.

1:03:48Ben Mandelker: So anyway, she's just talking about dating women and stuff.

1:03:53Ronnie Karam: And she goes, but I mean, like women, you know, like when you date enough women, you know why men die first. You know what I mean? Not really. Thanks for being in it, by the way. That's a little on the nose to my own trauma. Well, like it's stress. It's stress for a lot of women, you know? Okay. But if men are stressful for women, then wouldn't women die first? Haley doesn't make much sense. No, no, no, no. She's saying the women, it's, oh, I thought she was saying women are hard to deal with.

1:04:31Ben Mandelker: That's why the men die.

1:04:32Ronnie Karam: If you date enough women, you know why men die first. Like it's stress for a lot of women.

1:04:38Ben Mandelker: Meaning maybe that the women are stress, not that the women are take on, I don't know. It's Haley. She's just, yeah, it's everything with her.

1:04:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, also, the vibe with women is just different. The energy. Yeah, I'm sure it's different because you're both, I mean, women. For example, the sex. That would be different. Yes, Carol. Yes, Carol.

1:05:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because it's like Pilates. People ask me, how do you have muscular arms?

1:05:08Ronnie Karam: Wait, why do you have muscular arms?

1:05:11Ben Mandelker: It's like a big, long Pilates class. You have to keep all this balance and stuff.

1:05:15Ronnie Karam: But what do the arms have to do with it? I'm so confused.

1:05:18Ben Mandelker: No, you got to like, when you hook up with a woman, you got to like get in positions, you keep the position and, you know, all this stuff. And I don't know, like you got to do all these things. And Carol's like, what?

1:05:31Ronnie Karam: Confused. I have a lot of lesbians in my life and maybe two out of a hundred look like they've taken a Pilates class. So I don't know what the hell Haley's doing, but it sounds fun. You know, she's probably a very good. lover. So Carol's like, well, I've got some upper body strength and I've never been with a woman or taking a Pilates class for that matter, but one thing I have done is balance on by candle bars. I think I just get my arms worked out by lifting myself up and off of countertops.

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