#3595 The Golden Life S1E2: Once Upon a Tom in Palm Beach

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1:49Ben Mandelker: Today is a Golden Life recap episode. Can't wait to get into it. We're going to be talking about Season 1, Episode 2. before we dive into that you may have heard the news the big news we're recapping roni and salt lake city in philly and dc next week and philly is going to be the is a roni recap not golden life but roni and so just just in case there's any confusion and then uh in dc we're going to recap real housewives of salt lake city so both those shows should be extraordinary not only should they, they will be extraordinary so go to watchwhatcrappens.com to get your tickets there and then just a few days after that we're going to Texas, we're going to storm through Texas, Dallas, Austin Houston and we're going to have a great time there, come join us we haven't decided what we're covering in those shows at those shows just yet but we will announce that probably very soon so those again, watchwhatcrappens.com come to Austin, Dallas, Houston and then after that we're in Nashville we're in south florida in clearwater and in fort lauderdale then in the new year san francisco salt lake city denver charleston atlanta seattle vancouver portland toronto and boston and we finish at the golden crappies in february we're expecting a very good show it'll be a very very good one that one has sold out the last like five years in a row so if you're interested in going to that one recommend getting your ticket now um also i don't remember what else i was gonna say about all that but come to the shows they're gonna be fabulous they're gonna be wonderful uh oh i know charleston those tickets that ticket link is now finally live it was delay on that one it is live so watch our crap is.com for all that stuff so that's the big uh touring news oh and uh check out our youtube because there's a brand new episode of what's your order with kempire we love kempire he came on and subbed in for me for a crappy hour a few weeks ago and then you know hopped on to our youtube channel so we're talking about the biggest feuds of all time from bravo over there.

3:49Ben Mandelker: That's YouTube. Watch what happens on YouTube. That's all the news that's fit to print. Ronnie, what say you about The Golden Life Episode 2?

3:59Ronnie Karam: Pretty funny. Pretty funny stuff. And I like on a lot of shows, they'll say, well, I have a problem with alcohol, and then nobody's allowed to say anything. It's like, oh my god, we support you. That's all you're really allowed to say. But on this show, it's like, I've quit drinking. and they're like, no, you didn't. Stop fucking lying. We know you. You're clearly drunk all the time. Stop fucking lying. You're not getting away with that shit with us. And I kind of liked it because I do feel like Sonia's kind of full of it. I don't know. I really like watching these ladies argue. They make me laugh.

4:38Ronnie Karam: And I keep thinking the show's not going to work, but then it does. It's the second episode and it still works. So what are you going to do? It does. What are you going to do? How to explain?

4:48Ben Mandelker: and I actually find that the Palm Beach locale is actually quite lovely to visit on TV I mean I don't know if it's where I would want to live but it's like you know it's like warm and sunny and breezy and vacation-y and so they're out there we are still at this restaurant Kaima and everyone's dancing and Sonia is dancing up on Michael who's Luann's boyfriend and Luann is not happy about it and now it's 12 years later I mean 12 hours later well it could be with this show honestly they're going to be in their 70s and Sonia is sunbathing on her patio and Dorinda and Luann are riding along in a car and Luann's like well I'm still annoyed at what happened at Kaimaka would you believe it Sonia dancing on my man she's like yeah but how did it work out with Micah when you got home was there a fight or anything like that she's like well you know I was mad at him because he wasn't listening to me.

5:45Ben Mandelker: I mean, how many times can you tell someone, I'm your queen! I'm your queen! Before they finally get the hint.

5:53Ronnie Karam: She really took advantage of the situation. You know, I loaned her my guy. She didn't have a guy. So I loaned her my guy. Oh, she totally took advantage. So they come to meet Ramona for lunch, and Ramona's like, well, you know what? I ordered forests because it took a long time. If you told me you were going to be late, then maybe I could have told him to bring the food later.

6:14Ben Mandelker: but you know what you think you should tell people when you're gonna play sit sit you know what next time leave without a durando okay and now sit down well good to see you too ramona well i ordered you guys regular coffee unless you guys want something different you can go up front but otherwise i did all the work for you okay i'm basically bethany now i did all the ordering for you okay can i also say something they're at a place called maman and um there are some this is a restaurant that also exists in new york city there's like two or three of them they're like little coffee shops and it's all kind of twee inside.

6:46Ben Mandelker: And my message to everyone is don't go to this fucking place. I hate it. I hate it. Every time we go to New York for something, we're there for a few days. I'm always like, oh, I want to get some coffee, but I want to, I want to get like an avocado toast. And my mom always shows up and I always forget that I've been there before and I always go to it and I'm, you wait forever and it's shitty. It's shitty and twee. I cannot advertise this enough. Don't go to Maman. It's shitty and twee. Well, where are you? I hate it there.

7:17Ronnie Karam: Well, X1 advertiser off the list. Just kidding. I know. Sir Ramona's like, okay, so what? I have to bring something up. We had a misunderstanding about Roger and Max. Okay, we had a misunderstanding. Well, there's no misunderstanding, Ramona. I mean, you basically called them my employees. They're your employees, okay? They're your friends, but they work for you and they don't work for me. Okay, so that's it. Yeah, you know what?

7:43Ben Mandelker: They're your workers, okay? They're your workers that you call friends because you don't have any other friends, okay? So they're your worker friends, okay? I'm sorry, sorry. Dorinda's like, listen, listen, I see both sides. Let me be the media to you. Okay, I think that we have different personas with the people that we're working with. Like, you're the star of the show, Luan, for them. And I think your delivery to them, Ramona, was very harsh. So you gotta remember, okay, Although we love each other and stay in contact, we really haven't been together in this sort of context in a long time. So we're all still fighting our rhythm together.

8:14Ben Mandelker: And Ramona's like, you know, that's the thing. You know what? My delivery is so bad. I'm sorry. No, my delivery's always bad. It's always bad. I'm like, I have to laugh at how bad my delivery is, okay?

8:28Ronnie Karam: Hey, you're not the side of the show of everything to show, okay? All right. Well, you know what? I want to talk about something more important. somebody took a video a video of Sonia dancing with Michael it's disgusting it was disgusting she's putting her hands up his shirt I mean I thought it was cute and funny but she's trying to check his cock size at this point it's inappropriate it's inappropriate uh

8:55Ben Mandelker: don't say that don't say the c word here in Palm Beach okay well I swear to god she was doing this That's just Sonia. She humps everything. She humps lamps for crying out loud. Well, bad news, everyone. We just got his DNA test and it turns out Michael is 70 % lamp. So there you go.

9:17Ronnie Karam: I love the secret video that she's got. She's like, oh yeah, someone took secret footage of Sonia. And Sonia's just staring straight into the camera, smiling as she rubs him like, Oh, are you getting this?

9:30Ben Mandelker: It was like the footage from the show. someone sent me this. It's like, yeah, your executive producer sent it to you and said, talk about this on camera. So, uh, Luanne's like, Ramona believed, you know, in a way that was, I'm sorry, Ramona behaved in a way that was proper. On the other hand, Sonia, I gave her an inch and she took the whole bratwurst.

9:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's the first night she met him, right? Yeah, she never met Michael. She went with somebody to the bathroom and apparently she got sick. Well, that was horrible. I was really scared for Sonia Me too, and listen, I'm not calling anybody out on drinking But she's definitely doing something Before she comes out, so what's she hiding? What is that?

10:13Ben Mandelker: I was only scared that she was going to come back with this work And make her sit at the table with us I was like, ew, don't do that, okay? Thankfully she didn't So then Luann says, I have my suspicions about Sonia And her drinking, but I just want her to be happy And healthy And dating someone who's less attractive than Michael That's it, that's all I want Well, you know, I've been thinking

10:33Ronnie Karam: I'm not going to let Sonia irritate me Because the thing that Sonia does Is she irritates you, she irritates you And you get irritated And then you look like the mean person So you know what, I'm not going to do that This is the peaceful during the year We're all getting this season Very, very peaceful

10:51Ben Mandelker: Anyway, so Either she wants to be with us Okay, and be Sonia Oh, what's the point? You know what, I don't know why she puts that this barrier. I was like, yeah, it's a barrier. Yeah, it's the perfect way. Barrier. Barrier. You know why it's the perfect word? Because it's got the word R in it already. R with bar and rear. Put together because barriers. Two things she cares about. Back ends and bars. You know what I'm saying?

11:17Ronnie Karam: And rears. Okay? She cares about rears too. Bars and rears. So that's the perfect word for her. You know what? Well, we need to talk to her. Okay? We need to talk. Yeah, Maybe we need to have sort of an intervention. Oh, no, no. And they said the word intervention. I thought, oh, not you two. Not Dorinda and Luann holding an intervention, you clowns.

11:41Ben Mandelker: Also, I hate to break it to you guys, but this is not the first time you tried to have an intervention with Sonia. It has never worked. I vividly remember them trying to have an intervention with her in Atlantic City. That's where she famously said the stuff about John John and Madonna and all that stuff. and so Luanne is like we're her friends we're there for her and we want would a real friend not kick her when she's down I don't think so so when we are when we're back together all of us that's the magic time Ramona's like you know what my girlfriend Sherry is holding a yacht party it's like a little pop-up shopping at lunch it's like oh really no kidding you guys literally just did all that last episode every episode they're gonna get on the yacht and shop for welcome to the Goldenruses.

12:23Ronnie Karam: Where they go on yachts and shop at Ramona's friends pop-up stores. Ramona is just out there peddling everything. You know what? I've got a TV show. We should have you shop on a TV show.

12:34Ben Mandelker: That's what women do. They shop at pop-up shops. You had to do it on a yacht so that way poor people wouldn't invade like they did my other friend's pop-up shop.

12:45Ronnie Karam: Sorry. Nobody knows you. She's just throwing people overboard from the yacht. So they're going to have this talk with Sonia, an intervention, and Dorinda goes, will the real Sonia Morgan please stand up? No. Show up. Can the real Sonia Morgan please show up? No, no. You almost got it right. Please stand it. Show up. That's it. Show up. It's from Eminem. I.E. Eminem's. I know. Okay? That's how it is.

13:16Ben Mandelker: You know what Eminem stands for? It stands for Mario and Mario. Okay? And I know all about that. I was married for 19 years I do like Dorinda said that a few times Will the real Sonya Morgan please stand up She's definitely pushing this thing and I love that they can't figure it out to say with her in unison Will the real Sonya Morgan please show up Get out of the chain Will the real Sonya Morgan please

13:43Ronnie Karam: Tiptoe towards the front door and enter it like a polite person

13:47Ben Mandelker: No, no, it's show No, it's stand up Will the real Sonya Morgan, please?

13:54Ronnie Karam: I listen to Eminence. I know how this goes. I have the same nickname. I have the same nickname as that singer. Okay? Slim. That's it. People ask me why they stay so slim. I don't know.

14:09Ben Mandelker: Let the real performer take over here. Will the real Sonya Morgan, please stand down. Please stand down. To all the boys I love before.

14:22Ronnie Karam: who's traveling in the world

14:27Ronnie Karam: anybody who hasn't listened to Luanne's new single to all the boys please do so do so immediately

14:35Ben Mandelker: have you ever have you ever wanted to hear a song that sounds like it was recorded while the singer was jogging congratulations it's Luanne's new single

14:43Ronnie Karam: have you ever wanted Lisa Barla to sound like she's on rhythm

14:51Ronnie Karam: please check out the sock so kelly this is very kelly heavy episode which i this show doesn't need it and i don't think this show can withstand it kelly no so we start with kelly she's on her she's on facetime with her assistant carrie anyway she's like oh hi kelly kelly's like hi she's posing into the thing she's like girl i've got a date did you arrange my date isn't I'm crazy. I have a date. Are you jealous? Like, oh my God, that guy is so cute. I know. Kelly's acting like she's on an Us Weekly interview and she's just talking to her assistant. She's like primping and doing her hair and trying to be like a wee girly in the camera.

15:33Ben Mandelker: But she's also like relaying this information like it's the most fabulous news. I'm going on a date with a guy and her assistant's like, that's great. She's like, isn't it? Oh my God. He said something about horses, but he didn't say specifically. So I brought some rosé and some red solo cups because nothing says a party like a red solo cup, right? The assistant's like, yeah, totally. That paycheck that you said you were going to send to me, is that coming, by the way? So Kelly is like, my interactions with Nick have been through DMs and in text message. And I get very nervous before dates. I'm just like, oh my god.

16:08Ben Mandelker: I've just had such bad luck with dating different guys. And I feel like I've never been in love. I met my ex-husband when I was 19 years old and casting, and it just was like, it wasn't about love, it was just about a job. I literally married him for a job, so I don't even know what love is.

16:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she just needs some love in her life. Don't worry, it's going to be another Kelly scene coming up. Now Kelly goes to the stables, and she brings Tarzan, because dogs are notoriously great at riding horses. so she brings him and um she's talking to this guy juan who runs the stable and um he's like who's your friend who you're going on a date with she's like oh my god he was just at the olympics he's an olympic snowboarder i'm not nuts i'm like it's like literally crazy i'm like gonna date a

16:56Ben Mandelker: snowboarder i'm just a girl and he's like oh wow and she says do men really like the chase he goes well, this is very interesting. You know, it's like a traffic light. I see someone that is red, I step back. Danger. When it's green, I go all the way. If I see a right turn arrow, I say, still look to the left just in case someone goes with the red. You know what I'm saying?

17:17Ronnie Karam: Still do not understand roundabouts. Where's the light?

17:20Ben Mandelker: Where is the light? Flashing red, I'm like, okay, I'm going to stop. But you also know you can go when you see it's a flashing red. People don't realize that sometimes. Sometimes they just stop. They just stay stopped.

17:31Ronnie Karam: When it's a dotted line, I stop and wait. because maybe it's a pedestrian.

17:38Ben Mandelker: Yield. I always wonder about Yield. It's sort of like, stop, but not really.

17:43Ronnie Karam: It's like, okay, well, like, Juan, the guy I'm talking to right now, is so attractive, you guys. He looks like a romance novel character. Like, I'm like, what is going on? Why am I surrounded by hot guys? Tee hee.

17:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I, there's no offense to Juan. He's a perfectly nice looking gentleman, but I didn't quite get I wasn't totally on the same wavelength as Kelly on this one but then her date Nick arrived and he was hot for sure he was like he was a cute guy he seemed very douchey right off the bat I have to say but you know you know it was good for one night right

18:20Ronnie Karam: okay so he's like wow what are we horseback riding we're going to go horseback riding I'm going to put on a hairnet to put under my helmet how many girls have you dated with her not and he's like oh maybe the girls from the maybe the ladies from the cafeteria and i was like wow this is just this scene goes on for a really long time

18:42Ben Mandelker: kelly's cutesy little dating scene cut there are a lot of these scenes you know that one of the uh the downsides of a show that films the compressed storyline i'm not saying that that's what this is i'm sorry not compressed storyline but like a compressed shooting window is that sometimes scenes last a very long time because they don't have anything else to put on the air i'm not sure that this was a compressed shoot this seems like it was a full-fledged shoot but it has the energy of a show that was shot in just two weeks and it's so funny because uh andy cohen was just on our wonderful friend richell lindsey's uh show morally corrupt and they were talking about martha's vineyard um summerhouse martha's vineyard and andy was like yeah the real problem with that show is that it was only filmed over like 11 days we're like yeah no shit sherlock fuck like don't okay i don't i'm going on a whole tangent here the point is these scenes are going on too long and you need to tighten up the pace of this show just a touch yeah less less kelly

19:40Ronnie Karam: scenes um so or not so long kelly shorter kelly scenes if you're gonna have them it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial i'm sick of things stressing me out the other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

19:57Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about stress. Imagine performing a cabaret 10 times a week. Or learning a 17th language

20:04Ronnie Karam: like French Peruvian. Bon Gisissimo.

20:08Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy.

20:13Ronnie Karam: It's a great way to shift your mood.

20:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say what do I have to watch. Now I'm all about how do I want to feel?

20:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

20:29Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

20:41Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

20:44Ben Mandelker: So here's where I'm all about Prime. You can have your shows, your movies, your sports, but you also get fast shipping on the things we like to have when we watch stuff, like the perfect snack, conveniently delivered right to your door for a recap-worthy watch session.

20:59Ronnie Karam: That's how Prime gives us the power to just not find the feeling we crave, but also to let us experience it to the fullest.

21:06Ben Mandelker: I'm having 30 to 40 positive feelings. Wow!

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22:29Ronnie Karam: so then we go to luann and michael playing pickleball of course i love pickleball keeps me active so they're playing that and she is not letting it go that sonya was dancing all over him so she keeps giving him shit the whole scene and she's like michael's not used to these women i mean sonia puts on the flirt okay and i know he's trying to just be polite but i found it disrespectful okay and i wish he had removed himself from the situation um and then we cut back to kelly and uh we don't need to so i'm gonna fast forward through kelly okay so we go back to pickleball with luann and uh she kicks his ass and she's like oh well we can play pickleball with the girls, but they just can't pickle your balls, alright?

23:11Ronnie Karam: You know that. Look at me. Taking this, like a chip off the old block. Whatever. I don't care. I'm not bothered at all by it. Stop letting them touch your nuts.

23:21Ben Mandelker: So, uh, she's like, you know, pickleball is great for letting out some frustrations, isn't it? Because I've been through some pretty tumultuous relationships, but you know what? I'm done with that shit. I need to feel safe and trust the person that I'm with. That's Michael, apparently. So then Kelly is back on her date, riding horses, flirting, happy that she's got two hot men with her. And then we settle back with Michael and Luann. And now they're at a picnic table or something. She's like, well, you had your work at Akima, didn't you? He's like, yeah. I mean, no, he's like, look, I had my hands by my back, so I was just dancing.

23:57Ben Mandelker: She's like, oh, really? Because let's look at this video again that someone sent me, this gorilla footage shot very cleanly with a professional camera. Did you have your hands behind your back? I don't think so.

24:10Ronnie Karam: It's like I was literally handcuffed behind my back. Oh, really? I see your hands on them. Okay, you were just dancing, huh? Listen, I'm not being mad because I was jealous. I'm mad because you didn't listen to me. Oh, yeah, look. Look at this video. He's like, okay, well, they started behind my back, but I didn't want to be impolite.

24:29Ben Mandelker: You know, I can't blame them. You're so damn attractive, baby. But when you're being humped by my girlfriends, vacate. Yeah, girls like to have fun. They're a good time, but sometimes they get carried away. Do you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, Michael?

24:45Ronnie Karam: Listen, it's Girl Code. All right, y 'all remember that song, right? Well, Pandora does. All right, listen to it again. You'll understand what I'm saying. So then we go to Kelly and Sonia having a lunch at Salute. I cannot stress how long that Kelly scene went on. And I'm so glad we skipped it because it would still be going on if we were watching it in real time. It was too long. So now they go to lunch at Salute. And they're like, oh my god, isn't it fun to be at Salute? Oh, what a happy time. And then Ramona walks in and just stands there and looks at them. And she's like, what, am I supposed to see you?

25:16Ronnie Karam: What, am I supposed to know you're here? What is this? What kind of shoot is this? We're both the same restaurant.

25:22Ben Mandelker: i wasn't clear if they had two shoots going on at once because then we do see like a whole scene with ramona and avery it kind of had the vibe like ramona had just come into this restaurant and like it was just by coincidence because they just stared at her like what are you doing here ramona and because ramona's like not mic'd or anything she's like whoa what do you want me to do i don't want to see you okay yeah she's like what am i supposed to see you you're supposed to

25:47Ronnie Karam: no here like what is this she's asking production and then sony goes oh no no no no okay come back in then they'll do the whole thing you know like telling her to come in and then they'll film you coming in it's so funny they just break the fourth wall but thought the production doesn't even care they're just like listen we got one restaurant to agree to let us film today so you're both doing it

26:10Ben Mandelker: so sony's like you know i'm just very surprised to see ramon and avery i mean it's you know i'm sorry because it's like it's the restaurant i go to all the time it's out of the way you know of course you found it because you know ramona's like a truffle pig if there's a truffle she'll find it and truffles are precious this restaurant's the truffle i suppose i she found a truffle of a restaurant that sound bad did i call her a pig that sniffs at restaurants so they say hi to

26:34Ronnie Karam: avery who's with her and um ramona's like whoa you know what i've got a great girl and then you guys are two great girls so there's two great girls there one great girl here do you need to do you guys need to refill my entrance you fucking idiots well avery has arrived to palm beach yay

26:52Ben Mandelker: avery's definitely one of my best friends my daughter slash best friend and i visited her down in college and i'd stay with her in a dorm room and she would take me to fret parties yeah because i'm young and hot and hip okay two years ago she started a travel event business where she'd take care of everything from soup to nuts. Literally, that's actually all she would take care of. She'd give you soup and she'd give you nuts. And that's that, okay? You've got to pay for everything else, okay? I'm sorry. Do you know how many romantic weddings there have been

27:18Ronnie Karam: where they just had soup and nuts?

27:20Ben Mandelker: That's it.

27:21Ronnie Karam: Soup and nut wedding. Okay? Very proud of her.

27:25Ben Mandelker: Very proud of her.

27:26Ronnie Karam: I'm just getting to eat in the market. Avery's nuts. So many of my good qualities and so many of my bad qualities too, except none of my bad qualities, except for age. You know, because I look young.

27:42Ben Mandelker: So they sit down and Avery's like, so what's your most popular fish? And the server's like, well, if you want fish, I recommend it's going to be a Chilean bass. Oh, we love, I'm getting that. Whoa, me too. But then over at the other table, they're also asking the same guy, what's going on? What's the specials? And he's like, well, there's a Chilean sea bass. Patagonian toothfish. and that's going to be$68. And Sonia's like, oh my God,$68. We'll have to split that. And then it cuts back to the other table of Ramona and Avery both getting their own sea bass. Each one$68.

28:22Ronnie Karam: And Sonia's like, wow, this sea bass is as moist as you said. Bet you don't hear that often. Wow, he said my fish is juicy. I'm like, was that subliminal? Was that subliminal?

28:39Ben Mandelker: So, Mom When did Sonia and Luann and Dorinda come down here? She's like, whoa Well, Sonia's been here And she bought, I think, about a year or two ago And actually, we were supposed to do some sort of intervention with her She's like, about what? She's like, well, because when she sees Luann and Dorinda She basically ignores them, okay? Well, Mom, you don't want to feel like she's being attacked, okay?

29:02Ronnie Karam: So if you're coming in hot The three of you sitting in the dune and saying we don't think that you'd treat us as well. I don't know if that's going to go over well, Mom. I'm just saying. That's it. She's just such a little mini Ramona. It's so weird. She is a mini Ramona. It's weird that they're making her, they're putting her into this role. They're like, okay, Avery's now part of the Golden Life cast and she's going to mediate fights. I know.

29:29Ben Mandelker: She's like the voice of reason. So Ramona's like, she's like, you know what? Here's the thing. She has a barrier. And we all used to be so close, but she's got a barrier. We all like the word barrier, so we're just going to use the word barrier to explain everything, okay? You know what?

29:46Ronnie Karam: She's got a bare rear, and that's the problem. She goes around to Ann's boyfriend with a bare rear. It's it. So she's like, we just want her to be warmer, okay? You know, we love you. Just be warmer. She's like, why do you need to be there, Mom? Because, you know what? We just want, I don't know. I don't know why I'm going there. Actually, nobody explains me why I'm going there. Are they even going to fill my entrance?

30:09Ben Mandelker: Was I supposed to bring her one of these$68 sea basses? Maybe that was it. You know, I care for Sonia. I have a lot of patience. I don't know why. I just do. And I don't really have a problem with Sonia. And I definitely Dorinda Lee and Luan have a problem with this whole drinking thing. But maybe it's because they've had some problems with drinking. So maybe they're deflecting and reflecting. I don't know. I think that they're deflecting about their own drinking problems onto Sonia's drinking problems. which is so like yeah I mean I don't have to

30:39Ronnie Karam: I don't have to girls named Jennifer who are alcoholics still I don't have to

30:46Ben Mandelker: keep continually making a case year after year after year why this cast is so amazing but it's just the way that Ramona just slides in the fact well maybe because the two of them are kind of like alcoholics they're having an issue with her being an alcoholic it's just like just the way they're able to just undercut each other so seamlessly and we all love salt lake city and we love the chaos of salt lake city but you see that on salt lake city they have to work so much harder to make these digs whereas here they just they just trickle out just beautifully and seamlessly and like with like a like in a

31:22Ronnie Karam: magical way they're also i mean they're also correct because they've known each other for so long and that is kind of a valid point like you've got the two biggest drinkers on the show who are suddenly going to have an intervention with somebody even though the intervention isn't technically about drinking we all know that that's what it really is you know and also and even though

31:42Ben Mandelker: the like sonia does need an intervention of some sort a reality check it is funny that it's going to be these two of all people that are going to spearhead it well you know what i'm just excited

31:54Ronnie Karam: you're going to see everybody guess what you're doing tomorrow it's crazy we're going to do a drug show on a yacht. And Avery's like, wow, just what I wanted. This is going to be so exciting. It's so exciting seeing you thrive in your own Palm Beach area, Mom. She's like, yeah, you know what? It's lifestyle. It's amazing. And you know what, Avery? I'm so blessed to have you in my life. You're such a good girl. You're everything I ever wanted. You're everything I ever dreamed of. You're such a good girl, Avery. You know what?

32:22Ben Mandelker: When I was getting divorced, she would call me every day and she would say, Mom, do you know how many girls don't even call their parents like once or every two weeks it would speak every day and i'd be like whoa avery it's so funny that the roles are like reversed it's like i'm the daughter and you're the mother which is funny because you actually look like my mother now because i look younger than you do so it's like almost like full physical reversal too isn't that crazy avery i

32:44Ronnie Karam: don't know what to do without her okay you know what she's like benjamin button except just the button part because she was born old and she's gonna just age until she's even older old

32:56Ben Mandelker: she's like a bun that fell into the ocean just got thrown around by the waves and aged by sand

33:01Ronnie Karam: so uh kelly is my greatest accomplishment if you go on my linkedin it says ramona singa avery

33:09Ben Mandelker: i like there's so much that i decided to invent a whole sheet of blank labels that you could put your printer and call them avery um so kelly is like she's like hey so sonia are you going to that yacht party that Ramona's friend is hosting. She's like, oh God, the last place I want to be with is all the wannabes and the climbers who just want to meet people off of yachts. Ramona's so busy at five stories. She's always like, over here, don't say that. Oh, that's not true. It's just like a blur. The last thing I want to be is with a whole bunch of people who just want to marry their way into wealth.

33:41Ben Mandelker: Which is what Sonia did. Yes.

33:47Ronnie Karam: And so Kelly's like, well, you know, I'm a big group chat person. and like i've been chatting these people like i started a golden life chat because we're living this is our golden life as they keep saying on the show it's like so i'll be like hey do you guys want to go for a walk and then like nothing or like i'll be like hey coffee and then nothing like i feel like i'm like on the periphery of this group yeah they don't like you you are i don't

34:11Ben Mandelker: you are yeah so sonya's like well you know you and i got divorced and we have no money and they have money coming in from the husbands it's like you and i are like doing it all and like that's what they don't they don't they don't know what work even even is they don't even know what work is i'm like do you know what work is sonia i mean you're hot you have to you do have to scrap around for your money more than they do but do you know what work is i'm not sure about that well saying

34:36Ronnie Karam: she didn't get any money from her husband is crazy you got money you just spent it all on like the nigerian football team you know which is tragic movie but john trivold yeah being like oh my god all these women living off of men. Disgusting. They don't understand hard work. Right, Kel? Kelly's like, uh. Oh, I mean, there's nothing wrong with, like, taking money from a guy. Like, I dated a guy, and he got me a car. Can you believe it? Like, a car for, like, a band. I know.

35:03Ben Mandelker: I feel like Sonia's making that point to Kelly is going to get lost on her. Kelly literally just said that she married Jill Ben-Simon for a job. So Sonia's like, Yeah, I'm like that. I like that. I like that you got a car. By the way, remember i told you about this guy that i'm dating they didn't give me a valentine's day gift and then he came back after three weeks he's like here's a t-shirt i was like is this a joke and uh sonia tells us that kinetic guy i met through some girlfriends he's six foot four blue eyes gray hair finance unicorn fucking unicorn like i do not believe you yeah his name is george glass yeah so kelly asked her how long they've been dating and she's like

35:44Ronnie Karam: two months but you know i'm really not feeling like a priority well then you have to communicate that with her lips and like shimming is so funny she's doing it more than ever she's like yeah i just don't feel like a priority with this guy

35:59Ben Mandelker: it's hard to feel like a priority with someone who doesn't exist so uh kelly's like well you know what you just have to communicate that with him because you're just gonna like get upset like you're gonna resent him and that's gonna be like the beginning of the end that's because you do like you don't like you don't like to have to communicate with them okay you don't like just well you know they they don't read minds no they don't you have to communicate just well i don't know how you're keeping your three guys straight i don't know how you do that she's like three four five i've got so many guys up that i'm balancing right now she's like yeah i've got

36:32Ronnie Karam: like so many guys right now like the guy at the horse stable you are not dating that guy why are

36:38Ben Mandelker: you adding that as well oh you can't add one on to that mix he was working there you guys you already

36:43Ronnie Karam: yeah you already knew people you see in a parking lot like oh yeah i'm just like juggling so many guys yeah four i mean geez i haven't seen you in two days and you're just racking it up baby it's like yeah i like so many guys are like it's just like men everywhere you know i took the Olympian to go ride horses with me. I was so nervous around him. Then I've got a polo player. I mean, oh my god, this man. I was like, hola, can't tell?

37:10Ben Mandelker: And she makes it sound like a polo player came up and approached her. I'm like, it was Juan, your trainer. You went there to see him before your date.

37:21Ronnie Karam: So Kelly's like, you know, it's so nice to talk to Sonia because she gets it. And she also texts me back. So that's nice. because we are here for just enjoying our golden life.

37:37Ben Mandelker: On E!, which no one can see anywhere because they're not streaming yet. So Sonia's like, oh, you're on a roll. I'm very flexible. When I go with my guy, I'm like this. I face the wall on purpose. I don't want to see other people. I don't want to be distracted. And Kelly's like, yeah, I'm just a friendly person. Maybe that's what you were saying before, how there's a lot of posers down here. yeah I mean you're definitely not a poser they can tell because you know you don't brush your hair me too they can tell because I put you know I put on my eye makeup I just like I don't know like you know they don't look close you look close in the mirror like makeup's all over you know because it's like zero fucks thing that's us zero fucks zero fucks you know if you give zero fucks they want to fuck the person gives zero fucks that's what I say also

38:22Ronnie Karam: Sonia's eye makeup is all over the place it's like crazy

38:26Ben Mandelker: you don't have to look close

38:27Ronnie Karam: crazy her her extensions are like stapled on i mean it's it's bad and so she but telling kelly like oh yeah obviously you're not a poser i mean just look at you you don't your your hair's not brushed you're just a mess and god kelly just look at you look terrible couple girlfriends aren't we kelly's like yeah okay well here's my priorities eat sleep and dick that's them girlfriend.

38:59Ben Mandelker: So, now the ladies are getting ready for this yacht party, and Dorinda meets up with the man, and she's like, you look very yachty. You even have your seashell earrings on. And she goes, I do. Aren't they cute? There's only one right answer to that. She's like, yeah, I like your hair. You look beautiful.

39:17Ronnie Karam: So, I never thought I'd say, I don't want to be the person he's saying, we're going on another yacht. but we're yachts it's yachts every day and where else is it normal to go on a yacht and spend thousands of dollars shopping at one of ramona's friend's stores you know i mean it's just not me like what do i want to suddenly be wearing a giant seashell on my on my brooch goodbye yeah

39:43Ben Mandelker: and then we get my favorite moment of the episode um ramona and avery approaching the yacht and there's like um there's like a thing that's like covering cables on the on the dock it's like it was trapezoidal covers and ramona trips on it and she's not even mic'd up we just hear her scream across the pier whoa whoa my favorite was that it was actually that ramona had this meal with avery

40:10Ronnie Karam: and she's like you know what avery's the best girl was just so close i just love avery so much with a best girlfriend. She goes on and on, and then it cuts to them getting ready for this party, and Ramona's standing with Avery at the mirror. She goes, no, you didn't do your bow right. You need to try in the front, Avery. Do it like I said it.

40:30Ben Mandelker: We're going to do the bow my way, okay?

40:35Ronnie Karam: You see the real Ramona. She doesn't think they're going to use the footage. She's like, wow, we're so close.

40:40Ben Mandelker: Avery, put your bow on right. Ridiculous. Do it like I said it. That's a dick. So they all are on the boat saying hello. Sonia has brought her intern, Jared. And Ramona's like, Sonia's definitely the queen of interns. I think Sonia has a lot of interns because interns really work for no money, basically. It's like they're workers, but they're like below workers. It's terrible. So Sonia's...

41:03Ronnie Karam: Oh my gosh, this guy, Jared. Jared looks 12 years old and heavily medicated. He's just like... I'm like, wow, Jared. You know, Sonia loves her interns. He's like, yeah, well, Sonia's a legend in Albany.

41:19Ben Mandelker: Sonia. You should see, she does very well, especially in Troy and Manlius. Although Manlius is not Syracuse. But either way. I loved it.

41:31Ronnie Karam: Sonia's a legend in Albany. She's like, yeah, hi, ladies. I have to confess. I didn't wash my hair. I'm so sorry. Sorry, ladies.

41:40Ben Mandelker: Well, at least it doesn't smell, okay? So then Kelly and Luanne are talking, and Kelly's asking where Michael is, and Luanne says he went to Fort Lauderdale. But I do have to bring Sonia aside at one point and talk about this. I've got beef to squash.

41:54Ronnie Karam: And we go to Ramona talking to Dorinda, and she's like, okay, I want to share something with you. This thing you guys want to do with Sonia, the intervention, I don't want to do that, okay? I don't want to be a part of it. She's like, I'm not going to be mean. We're just going to sit it down and say, listen here, you alcoholic slut who nobody loves. You better get it together, bitch, or I'm going to toss you off the side of the boat. And he's nothing, Ramona. He's nothing.

42:17Ben Mandelker: That's the thing. I know you guys aren't going to be mean. I really don't think I should be there. So Ramona says, Avery suggested that I really shouldn't get involved with any type of confrontation with Sonia, okay? Yeah, I think Luanne should call out Sonia's behavior with Michael because I just can't imagine a world where I would ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever touch someone else's boyfriend or, God forbid, husband like that. Like, if someone even touched John like that back in the day, I would have been like, well, thank God it's you and not me. But you know what I'm saying.

42:47Ronnie Karam: So they sit down. They all sit down for a talk. And Luan's like, Sonia, come closer. All right? Now, listen, we had a great time. It came out the other day. Remember that? Well, except for the part where Ramona was calling my gay employees employees. We're not going to bring that up right now. Because the point is, Sonia, I gave you Michael to dance with. Do you remember? She's like, oh my god, yeah, that was hot. That was so hot. He was really into me.

43:14Ben Mandelker: And I'm a good girlfriend because there was no guy to dance with. So, of course, I whored out my boyfriend to you. But you have to understand, when you whore out a boyfriend, there are limits. Okay? Look at this video. Look at this amateur video that was found off the internet somewhere. Look at it.

43:29Ronnie Karam: So, she's just watching herself like, oh my god, I look great. Yeah, baby, yes, looks great. Thank you, but look at my belly button. Here's the thing. I'm not sure about my belly button. I'm not sure about it in this video. No, look at the hand.

43:40Ben Mandelker: Your hand, not your belly button. Oh, yeah, look. Look, I'm getting hot on him. Isn't this kind of sexy? Finally, he's like with a girl who's really hot and knows how to treat him right. No, Sonia Rita, you're missing the point. Look, I'm just Sonia being Sonia, okay? She's seen it a hundred thousand times. I did lift up his shirt because I wanted to show off Luanne's merchandise. But she is controlling. She's kind of like, you know, like, oh, he's mine. It's like, because he is hers.

44:06Ronnie Karam: all right but you understand what i'm trying to say sonia okay well i'm really sorry and i didn't mean to hurt you but i didn't think you cared because i'm sure he knows that you cheat

44:17Ben Mandelker: and then luann goes well how would you know that not like i don't cheat

44:23Ronnie Karam: yeah well he knows you do that but he knows i don't do that so you know maybe he's coming to me for like a solid woman kelly's like what are you talking about sonia well you know luann she

44:35Ben Mandelker: always goes with other people's guys. That's not true. No, that's not true. I mean, why are you guys not backing me up here? And Kelly's like, but you're bumping and grinding on Michael. It's not appropriate. And she goes, well, Luanne married Tom. He was my lover. You married him. You were staying in my house. It's like, oh my God.

44:54Ronnie Karam: Here we go. You slept with him one night, Sonya. No, I slept with him all the time. All the time. You were drunk and you said that he was good in bed and he's not good in bed. So how about that. I slept with him for years, and he's terrible in bed.

45:10Ben Mandelker: Oh, well, thanks for telling me that. She says, well, thanks for telling me. When you told me you were getting married, and I didn't count because you believe Tom. Well, because he wanted to marry me, not you. Tom is my second husband, and according to Tom, there was a one-night stand with Sonia, but according to Sonia, it was a regular booty call.

45:31Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. Getting defensive about Tom. Tom, either one of you, is crazy. Tom is such a pig. He cheated on you within a week. What are you talking about? Seriously. Well, he could never acknowledge that I was with Tom. She was with Tom because he was mine. And it's taken me a long time to patch that up.

45:51Ben Mandelker: No, he did ask me to marry him, too. Oh, really? Yeah, before he asked you, he said, Okay, this is what he said to me. He said, I want to ask Luann to marry me. I'm going to try it out on you. But then when he said Luann, it was obviously his pet name for me, Sonia. Okay, Sonia, let's get real here. You know what?

46:09Ronnie Karam: You know what? Everybody stop. Everybody stop, okay? This argument is older than Avery's face, okay?

46:16Ben Mandelker: Let's move forward. We need to move forward with fights. I want to— Okay, my recommendation is that we move in the same direction as Avery's aging. Forward. Forward, okay?

46:28Ronnie Karam: You know, we need to fight it past something, too. For example, Avery doesn't know how to tie the bow on the front of a dress.

46:36Ben Mandelker: Let's go in the direction of which way her bow should be. Forward, not in a bet. So Luanne's like, oh, well, thanks a lot, Sonya. Of course, Sonya goes, well, I mean, you know, he was just ready to marry anyone. Any sad, pathetic soul. Oh, well, thanks a lot, Sonya Rita. Thank you, Sonya. That's really love. I'm going to get up and walk a few feet away. I am furious.

46:59Ronnie Karam: That's not nice, Sonia, what you just said. Well, she pushed me in a corner. Don't put baby in the corner. They say, well, the real slim baby, please don't go in a corner.

47:09Ben Mandelker: She goes after everyone's guides. Everyone knows it. Now, the thing is this. Sonia's also not wrong about this because we've seen many shows where Luann definitely goes after literally any guy in the room and she is pretty ruthless about it. I mean, Love Hotel, let's not forget that.

47:25Ronnie Karam: Or the Red Scarf Guy. Remember the red scarf guy?

47:29Ben Mandelker: Like, I mean, they both go after each other's guys. Both things are true.

47:35Ronnie Karam: Well, you know what? It's insulting and it's hurtful that she would bring this whole thing back to Tom. Okay? That's in my past. But you know who lives in the past? Sonia. And she crosses the line. And what? Now she's going to insult me? I'm done. I'm done with the conversation.

47:49Ben Mandelker: I'm not going to have this conversation anymore, producers. You know, she said Tom told you that I slept with Tom once. We're already doing it for years, okay? It's just, you drove me nuts again. I'm not significant, but you married my guy. So Luann is like, Avery, Avery, okay. All right, could you just grab that purse over there? Just, you know, just distract them with your wrinkles and that strange bow on your hips and just grab my purse. Thank you. It's like, okay, I'll grab it. Everyone, I'm back. Yo, you know what? I'm here to grab Luann's back, okay? Bag, okay? Okay.

48:27Ronnie Karam: well yeah and sonia's like what she's not gonna come back she just walked away now she's not gonna come back you really upset her that's it oh she's not gonna come back yeah i'm gonna go talk to her i'm gonna go talk to her she's very upset well i've never seen luann upset i'm kind of shocked i mean my feelings hurt too guys my feelings hurt too what about my feelings what

48:47Ben Mandelker: about tom yeah so dorinda goes up to luann she's like you know she dismisses your whole marriage which was a very important and painful six months of your life, you know? And Luanne's like, you know, Sonia wanted to have my guy. And that's what keeps happening. From Harry to Tom, it's that competitive. I want what she's got. If only Sonia would have married Tom, she would have saved me a lot of grief. Put that in the cabaret. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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51:22Ronnie Karam: Now on Audible. Listen to the darkness. Go to audible.com slash listen to Dracula. so now luann and dorinda decide to go to a sound bath which is so hilarious that they're having a sound bath on the first floor of a yacht that a party's going on like just concentrate on these the vibrations of this sound um so ramona's like well you know what can i just explain what happened to avery so leanne showed us luann showed us a video that she's very upset hey are you following Avery? And Avery's just like, oh God, I don't care about this shit. Well, Sony got too friendly with Michael. You know what? She was showing off his abs, which were very nice abs, by the way.

52:06Ronnie Karam: And I said this to him, at least he's not someone's employee.

52:09Ben Mandelker: Say it. You know, he's got, he was leaning right into it, though. He liked it. Well, the point is, no one would want a girl to touch their thigh like point blank, okay? And Kelly's like, I mean, it wasn't touching. It was just bumping and grinding. Yeah, Sonia said, you know what? You know what? Sonia said, Tom wanted to marry me before you. So I was like, yeah, which is true. Everything is true. She's like, well, I don't believe that's true. But whatever's true or not, Avery, did you catch all this? Are you keeping me up? Avery's like, yes, because you guys have been living this storyline for 10 years.

52:40Ben Mandelker: I know it, mother.

52:42Ronnie Karam: Yes. You've been fighting about this since I was a literal child. Okay? So then we cut back to the sound bath, and the ladies can hear them fighting. And the man's like, oh, isn't this relaxing? Well, isn't the ladies fighting? when we're trying to have a sound bath.

52:58Ben Mandelker: And they are continuing to fight during the sound bath. And so Avery's like, no, it was nice that Luann cares enough to express how she felt, hey? And I think that when we kind of lost track was when you started going into the past, okay? Kelly's like, yeah, you should have just been like, you know, I'm just having fun and I love you. That's what you should have said. She's like, well, I've never had an apology from Luann about the whole thing this entire time.

53:24Ronnie Karam: Well, but you brought it back to yourself And it's not about you Well, I always make it about me, though That's what I do Like, Kelly, you know, what were you telling me about that Kelly was just telling me about the guy that I'm dating He told me that just because I texted him a minute ago Well, I'm glad you're happy now And I'm still, and I said, well And he said, I'm still sad And I said, well, what about me? But that wasn't about me, it was about him And Kelly told me that it's not always about me Which I think Kelly was very right about Remember when you told me that, Kelly?

53:53Ben Mandelker: It's a very clean example. And so Avery is like,

53:57Ronnie Karam: And Avery's like, well, you know, look, I understand because I tell things to my mom and then she makes it about herself. And I have to say, it's not about you right now. I'm calling to talk about mine. Do you know how I feel when Avery calls about me to talk about her feelings? It makes me feel horrible, mom. You're doing it again, mom. It's like a bug ride, Avery.

54:16Ben Mandelker: I love Avery's optimism and thinking that she's going to teach this group of women about the concept that sometimes it's not about you in the moment.

54:25Ronnie Karam: And Sonia's acting like she's never heard that before. When Kelly told her, you know, sometimes it's not about you. And she's like, oh, wait a minute. You're saying it's not always about me? Oh, that's so interesting. I've never thought about it like that.

54:39Ben Mandelker: So I can say to her, I want to take her aside. And I'll just say, by the way, I understand you were hurt, but can we talk about what happened to me? I never do that. But you know what? We've got another event. We've got Elizabethos, about those, right? And he's like, Elizabethas, okay? I usually pronounce everything wrong. It's Elizabethas. So Sonia's like, okay, so I'm just going to pull her aside. I'll say, you know, it shouldn't be about the past. I should have just said I'm sorry and I hurt you in the moment. And they're like, and by the way, Sonia says this very clearly and very sanely. And they're like, the clouds parted.

55:10Ben Mandelker: And they're like, yes, yes, Sonia. that's exactly what you should say.

55:13Ronnie Karam: Oh, gosh. So now we go to a restaurant. So it's Avery, Ramona, Kelly, and Sonia. So Durin and Luann join, and they start ordering, and Sonia's like, Can I have a non-alcoholic Prosecco? I only drink non-alcoholic things, any mocktails, anything like that. Oh, Sonia, why don't you just have a glass of wine like you do when you're out with your other friends?

55:36Ben Mandelker: Hmm?

55:36Ronnie Karam: Hmm?

55:38Ben Mandelker: Now, I don't know about you, but um i was wondering if they were going to show the famous moment that happened at this lunch on social media which is a few months ago bethany posted she's like oh my god i'm like walking around palm beach and i i come to this restaurant look who's here it's like ramona it's sony it's everyone everyone's here like it's they're all lined up they're all this is crazy like what is what is this well what's all this is crazy because remember that moment where she like ran into this whole she ran into the show basically and i recognized it i recognized from bethany's social media and i was like will they show that moment on the show because that kind of would have been epic if they showed the bethany crashing but alas did not happen bethany was probably like i demand nine million dollars if you're gonna show that to me i'm not gonna do it did you see um did you see bethany's latest thing that happened this weekend i'm sure you did um but there was bravo fan fest and someone asked uh about whether or not bethany would be coming back to to roni or something like that something along those lines and carol's like it's not my decision to make it's you know it's not up to me so then they kick it over to andy and he goes yeah well uh i haven't been that active on TikTok, so I don't really know.

56:57Ben Mandelker: And so everyone laughed, and it was like a big, oh! So Bethany, of course, has a response. Like, you know what? You know what? Andy took a shot at me, so guess what? I'm going to take a shot at him, okay? So you know what? I'm living the golden life, and you're living the stainless steel life, so that's why. I appreciated that. I appreciated the stainless steel life. Well, come on, Bethany. Jules Aaron's right. I think it's time for Bethany to get a hobby.

57:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. No, I saw that she was doing some gambling online casino ads or something. And I was like, ooh, this is awkward the same week. They're just like, I'm the golden light. I'm the golden light. They did, however, show a lot of clips of Sonya while she's saying she's not drinking. They keep cutting to Sonya like dancing on the tabletops with a shot glass, which maybe they were mocktail shots. I don't know, but acting wasted. You know, when she thinks it's the after hours of the party or whatever. And so Sonia's like, why are you coming at me about what I'm drinking? She's like, I just want you to be honest, Sonia.

58:00Ronnie Karam: Okay. Well, you should be supportive of not drinking out of anybody here. And someone posted the clip on Twitter of when Sonia was like, I really don't want Luann drinking. Without me, that's my girl. When Luann was getting sober. It's the least supportive cast of sobriety.

58:24Ben Mandelker: So Luanne's like, look, the problem is, I think you are drinking. The issue is that I don't have an issue with you drinking. It's just that you're hiding it from us. And Sonia's like, well, I don't even know what Luanne's talking about, okay? Because I stopped drinking because, you know, I was doing my tour. And when you tour five cities in a row, you just get sick and tired of being tired. So when I quit, I just felt so much better. And I just wanted Luanne to support that. You know, like when she wasn't drinking, I supported her 100%. Dad, I even went to see her parole officer with her, you know?

58:55Ronnie Karam: I haven't had a drink with her parole officer. I mean, how much more supportive can you be?

59:03Ronnie Karam: You were red in the face. I had to check your pulse, and that's not the behavior of a son. You're not drinking. Okay.

59:10Ben Mandelker: I had mocktails, which is why I had that acid indigestion from a mocktail. You know what? We support you in whatever you do. That's her point. We support you. Just stop hiding it. We support you in the way that I don't support Avery wearing a bow in the back of her dress. We wears a bow in the back, okay?

59:26Ronnie Karam: Put it in the front. Yeah, but you're not supposed to ask people who aren't drinking if they're drinking. Well, first of all, can we talk about how you offended me today?

59:36Ben Mandelker: Oh, going into the past, you mean? Well, yeah. You hurt me all the time. How's that? Oh, well, that's news, okay? Because how do I hurt you all the time? I danced with your boyfriend. I apologize for doing that. I didn't know it would upset you.

59:49Ronnie Karam: Well, no, no, no. Because then what did you say? I didn't mean to hurt you. And then you doubled down. Yeah, you heard it. You heard it when you said the thing about Tom. Yeah, I would have married anyone. Instead of saying, you know what, Lou? I'm sorry. It'll never happen again. That's what you should have said.

1:00:05Ben Mandelker: I did say I'm sorry. And I didn't say it, you know, it's never going to happen again because I can't control myself sometimes. So sorry. Sorry, not sorry. I'm going to feel my hand right down those pants. I'm going to feel how big that thing is. I can't control myself. Okay, I'm sorry ahead of time.

1:00:20Ronnie Karam: oh really there's no drinking involved okay okay you know what didn't you listen to what Avery told you right now it's about Lou not you Lou not you Lou not you

1:00:34Ben Mandelker: okay well you guys are bringing it up it's like no it's about Lou not you Lou not you it's like you know what I'm Lou Anne I'm sorry I said those things I was reacting poorly it was mean especially to a cabaret star it's like well you know at our part in our lives we don't need anymore and I understand that. She's like, good. So hopefully we can get up to a better place, Sonia, because that's where I want to go. We all want this. We're here to have a good time. Let our freak flags fly, whatever the hell that means, and enjoy these golden times of our lives. Will the real freak flag please show up?

1:01:06Ben Mandelker: Please show up. Now you're doing it all wrong.

1:01:12Ronnie Karam: So Dorinda leaves to do her radio show and Luanne's like, well, do you even think we got anywhere? Where Kelly says, no, she's not listening to anything you're saying. I mean, I told her she's doing that with her boyfriend. And Sonia overhears this. And she's like, Kelly, what I discussed with you was private at lunch. So shut the fuck up. Not remembering that she's the one who just repeated this all at the yacht to everybody.

1:01:35Ben Mandelker: And the best part is, like, right before she says that, Dorinda's, like, saying goodbye. And she leans into Sonia's ear and she goes, you know, strange enough, I think we made progress. And, like, on the heels of that, I think we made progress. Kelly, shut the fuck up Okay, I'm good

1:01:49Ronnie Karam: Sonia Morgan, do not talk to me like that, number one Shut up! Number two, I'm your friend Shut up, Kelly

1:01:57Ben Mandelker: Don't sit down in front of me And lighting fire with her She's like, I'm not, it's like, we just made up And now you're adding fuel to the fire I'll talk to you about my boyfriend when I want to

1:02:07Ronnie Karam: Sonia, do not do that Do not do that I have got like seven boyfriends on hold Please, don't add any stress to this No, you're talking about something I shared in confidence yesterday to Luanne. I talked to Kelly in confidence. How dare she betray me by sharing that? I mean, we're having a real et-too, Brutus, moment here. Am I right? Okay, you know what? You do not talk to me that way.

1:02:29Ben Mandelker: No, no, no. Stop. No, no, stop. She's talking to her like Tarzan. Stop, stop, stop.

1:02:37Ronnie Karam: No, no, no, no. But I was sharing with my boyfriend with you at lunch, not with her. And now you're telling her about my boyfriend. He's six foot four. He's got gray hair. He's been financed.

1:02:50Ben Mandelker: Unicorn. Kelly, you know what? Tell her to be quiet. You're making it worse. You're making it worse, Kelly. Be quiet. If we tell her to be quiet, tell her to be quiet. Okay, get them. Why don't you take your bow and put it in Kelly's face? She's making it worse, okay? You don't stand up for anyone, Kelly.

1:03:04Ronnie Karam: You're kissing ass. Which is kind of true. I mean, Kelly is sitting there. And she was doing it on the boat, too. Just kind of shit-talking Sonya. Sonia's the only one who's texting you back. I know.

1:03:16Ben Mandelker: But Sonia also is having a crazy harsh reaction right now. And so Kelly's like, Sonia Morgan, I sat there with you yesterday, and I shared that$68 sea bass with you. Okay, and you're telling her I do it with everybody. She's like, calm down, because one thing I'm not is an ass casser. Yes, you are. Like, I don't even know what they're fighting about anymore. Everyone's like, you know what? This is not my life in Guam Beach. This is not my life anymore. at this moment i just want to leave the table okay well sonia's saying you're you're being a

1:03:46Ronnie Karam: suck up to luann and kelly's like no i think sonia's looking at it like look nobody in this cast talked to you i'm shooting with you i'm going to have scenes with you nobody likes me right now so we're supposed to have each other's back and then the first thing you do when we get around the other ladies is stand up for them and mumble under your breath about how they're right and i'm And I think it does. I mean, I think Sonia is wrong pretty much on all of this, but I think she's right against Kelly.

1:04:14Ben Mandelker: Well, Kelly's like, you can say whatever you want. You do not call me names. Well, guess what, Kelly? You can say Kelly. I don't appreciate how you're talking. Well, you don't need to tell her about my boyfriend. Sonia, I just said that there's a cycle, that there's a pattern. I didn't tell her anything. Well, you know what? Can we talk a little bit less loud? We're making a little bit of a scene in this empty restaurant. I need a mocktail in the meantime I need a mocktail in the meantime shut the fuck up

1:04:43Ronnie Karam: so she storms off to the bar right when everybody's like Sonia are you drinking again she's like how dare you I'm going to the bar for a mocktail do you have any mocktails you know what I really want a mocktail but yeah the thing is I'm trying to lose weight and I think the mocktails are all sugar and that's why I'm gaining weight because I'm only having mocktails right bartender

1:05:03Ben Mandelker: you know here's another indication that Sonia's not comfortable in her own skin because, you know, it wasn't justified how she reacted to Kelly. It's not justified how she reacted to me. And she's acting this way with all of us, except for Ramona, interestingly enough. That's kind of weird. Now that I say it out loud, I'm a little unsettled by it, a little disturbed. Since when is Ramona the one that no one gets mad at?

1:05:25Ronnie Karam: All right, girls. Well, I'm gonna leave. Michael's in Fort Lauderdale. I've got things to do. But I will take Sonia Rita, her purse, which she's, of course, forgotten me here so she goes to the bar and she's like oh hello i brought your purse and your phone and your glasses and everything okay thanks darling you know i you know i came here once

1:05:43Ben Mandelker: before okay great story anyway 10 years ago tom i don't want to talk about that i've had enough trauma in this town i didn't know that you were banging tom well exactly because he told you we were nothing no that you had one group whoa a one night stand that's not true okay fine he's a liar We'll say that. Okay, he'll say anything. Blah, blah, blah. That's why we have to stay together as friends. Our friendship, which is a long one. I want that back. But honest truth. Nothing but honesty, Sonorita.

1:06:13Ronnie Karam: Don't make me cry. Oh my God, now we're friends again. Okay, now that's done. What the hell is wrong with Kelly? You know, fuck Kelly. You know, no one invites her to do anything. She doesn't even have any girlfriends. And now I see why. We're going to turn on Kelly now, right?

1:06:28Ben Mandelker: It's just a pivot to a whole different thing. well you included her with everything can you believe it she's like no and what about the text change she's like hi i'm doing this and no one answers i'm the only one spending time with her alone and when you're when when you got up and you were very upset i was waiting for kelly to say you know what sonia loves the win nothing could come between them she didn't even say that well because she was upset for me which is kind of cool if you think about it

1:06:54Ronnie Karam: well she doesn't give a shit about me so i'm done with her and you know i know a lot of women that marry into certain wealth, and Kelly's a sucker, and she's a kiss-ass, and I despise it, and I really don't like it when I see it in other people. Sonia. Sonia. Morgan.

1:07:12Ben Mandelker: Sonia Morgan. Sonia Bonatucci Vitarela Morgan. So Sonia's like, I haven't paid for lunch. I'm done. I have no time for her. It's over.

1:07:23Ronnie Karam: No one believes that you paid for a$68 sea bass, Sonia. I mean, she's just really... She's just really throwing it all out there.

1:07:31Ben Mandelker: Girl, nobody believes you. I know, but I do love with this show, they could just be furious at each other, and Luann's like, well, I do have to bring her a purse, though.

1:07:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like, all right, we're making up. Okay, now let's go for Kelly. So funny. So funny. But you know what? I don't want to live in a world where Sonya's not delusional. Absolutely.

1:07:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah. What's Sonya's thing? What's Sonya's tagline? If I don't want to... It's sort of like what you just said. You know? If being Sonia's wrong, I don't want to be right. Yeah.

1:08:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, senorita. Well, that brings us to the end of the golden life, everybody.

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