#3598 RHOC S20E17 Part One: Sky Top’s The Limit

0:00Ronnie Karam: Hi, this is Mark Bittman from the podcast Food with Mark Bittman. I've been writing about food and restaurants for almost 50 years, my whole career, really. And what I know is that the good restaurants all have something in common. They're busy, genuinely, chaotically busy. And somehow in the last few years, the best of them have begun to make it look easy. And do you know why? Because they're running on Toast's technology. Toast is built for restaurant owners who understand that Toast's tools keep the line moving and keep their customers happy, with fewer mistakes and hiccups in ordering and paying.

0:38Ronnie Karam: For owners, that turns busy into business. To learn more, head to toasttab.com. That's T-O-A-S-T-T-A-B, toasttab.com. Toast, built for busy.

0:54Ben Mandelker: Hi, it's me, your gutters. I want to start by saying I'm fine. Everything is totally fine.

1:00Ronnie Karam: There's just, there's a lot of debris up here and I've been managing it mostly on my own for about eight months now. And I just thought maybe you could find someone on Angie to clean me up. You don't have to make it a whole thing. It doesn't need to be a whole thing. I just, I could really use your help.

1:18Ben Mandelker: Your gutters have waited long enough. Find a pro at Angie.com.

1:48Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Inz, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today for this very spooky episode of Watch What Crap Ins, is Mr. Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

2:03Ronnie Karam: Hi. What's going on? I guess it is a spooky episode. It's Halloween Eve. Yeah.

2:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Are you excited? No, I'm leaving. What's happening? What, are you shooing? What's going on?

2:20Ronnie Karam: I quit this podcast. I don't do spooky things. I got a sailor hat to be more Halloween-y.

2:26Ben Mandelker: Oh, that's great. Oh, I should have put on my wig. My wig is upstairs. For those who didn't watch Amazon Live, our Amazon Live this week, we were talking about Halloween things, and I revealed that I'm going to be Diane Keaton for Halloween, and I got a Diane Keaton wig, but when I put it on, I look like Kurt Cobain. I'll have Dom bring it downstairs. I'm going to text. So are you going to be in Kurt Cobain after all? I'm going to put on all the accessories. And if it does not land as Diane Keaton, I will pivot to Kurt Cobain. Yes, that is correct. Okay. I'm going to, I'm texting Dom right now.

3:05Ben Mandelker: Can you bring me my wig?

3:11Ben Mandelker: We're going to do what we're going to do on an, on the air costume change. So anyway, happy Halloween to everyone. I hope you all have a spooky weekend. I mean, how appropriate. The color of Halloween is orange. And we are talking about a big old Orange County season finale. The landmark 20th season. The moment we've all been waiting for. Carmella's had enough. She's had it up to here. And she's finally going to tell Vicky who's who. There's a new generation of housewife on the block. And they're not going to take it from their elders anymore. She is going to pop off and a new season of Orange County shall begin.

3:54Ben Mandelker: Thank you, Dom. Oh, my gosh.

3:56Ronnie Karam: The whole opening of this show was, oh, Carmella, look at how mad Carmella got during the season. Look how saucy Carmella was. Oh, and now Carmella is finally going to tell off Vicky. And then we see a clip of Jen being like, oh, yeah, well, you wanted Cruella de Vil and now you got her. Okay, well, where is she? As predicted last week, I said it's going to be a dud and Carmella ain't going to do shit. We all know that this is going to be a dush. And it was. I mean, she didn't even try, man.

4:23Ben Mandelker: Come on. She didn't even try. But here's something that, here's my, here's what I'm going to say to the audience. Audience, don't be a Carmela. Be active. And come see us on tour. We are going to Philadelphia and D.C. next week. Oh, my God. It's going to be great. We're going to be doing Roni in Philly. And we're going to be doing Salt Lake City in D.C. Tickets are at WatchWhatCrapHands.com. And then the following week, we are going to Dallas and Austin and Houston in Texas. And then in December, it's going to be Nashville and Clearwater and Florida. So it's going to be a tremendous, tremendous time.

5:02Ben Mandelker: Come, let's just like party. Let's have like a big, amazing, fun, bravo party at our live shows. Watch our crappies.com. And then there's a whole bunch of other shows in the new year. And then it culminates with the Golden Crappies on February 25th. that will sell out. So be sure to get your tickets to that if you're interested. It's a night of glamour and celebrities and maybe my parents. So that's that. And also join us on Patreon, patreon.com slash watchercrappins for bonus episodes and all the other joy you could ever want in your life. So let me put on this wig. Okay. My wig is on. It's giving a lot of code.

5:42Ben Mandelker: I didn't put it on right. I think the bangs are all...

5:46Ronnie Karam: I think you look like it's your 20th anniversary of Real Housewives of Orange County.

5:53Ben Mandelker: Whenever I put the wig on, it's always a little dicey at first because it's always a little messy. But I'm making it into prettier Diane Keaton here. Now, I obviously don't look like Diane Keaton, but once I put on a hat, I think that will help.

6:09Ronnie Karam: I don't think you have to actually look like the person that you're dressing as. Your costume just has to look like the person you're dressing as.

6:15Ben Mandelker: No, I know, but I'm concerned that this doesn't even look like it would even be a building block towards that. But we'll see.

6:23Ronnie Karam: I think it does, yeah. Diane Keaton's a lot about the hat, the glasses, the big tie, the big collar jacket. You know, Diane Keaton's not just hair. She's also glasses and the hat. Okay? And a tie.

6:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I apologize to everyone ahead of time. I'm going to spend the rest of this episode just brushing hair on my face. Is this what it's like? Is this what it's like for the ladies?

6:45Ronnie Karam: it's really nice what people who have hair are like we're talking about it the other day like i'm glad to be bald now you know i've always been jealous of people with hair but it is a lot like watching you play with that thing yeah it's nice to be bald sometimes all right the point is it's real housewives of orange county we're 20 years in they're in trouble on this show the show is trouble this is and not in a good way not like oh this is fine it's like we're sinking we are The show is officially sinking. We've enjoyed, I think, I guess I can just speak for myself. I've enjoyed watching the season, even though it's not one of the show's best.

7:21Ronnie Karam: But this episode was really sad. I mean, this was just Emily and Gina constantly trying and trying to give improv cues to people to start scenes. And they're just, they suck. You guys are going over the same improv cues you were using in the first of the season, and they weren't even working then. Get rid of Emily.

7:40Ben Mandelker: at least emily yeah i think that we're going to see a slaughter after this season um i think jen is out i'm gonna say that right now i think uh jen has been a perfectly nice housewife she's like a perfect three to four season housewife i forget i think it's been four seasons with jen her her arc has run its course she came in she had a feud with tamra and now it is resolved and i I think you're going to see Andy Cohen go on to his show and say, you know, when we were looking at Jen and we thought that's kind of like a perfect story and that's really a way that we can part with her here because it's a great arc.

8:22Ben Mandelker: But I think she's done. I think Jen is done. I think Carmella, God, please be a one and done. I'm sorry. I think Carmella is a total dud. And I have an irrational frustration with her because I just feel like if you're brought on for a seminal season, just be more interesting. But she's so blah. She's beige. Her house is beige. Her children wear beige clothing, literally. Everything about her is just beige and blah. And I just feel like it's like, why are you wasting our time? Why are you coming on to this show? And why did someone cast her? That person should be fired. Who said, who found this girl?

8:56Ben Mandelker: I think that she's good on paper Oh, former Playmate She has stories from the Playboy Mansion She's married to a former NFL superstar Wow, she went to jail So it's just like They ran through Claude And Claude said, wow This is a great housewife candidate And they said, sign, seal, deliver, put her on the show But no one actually talked to her And saw that she is a sleeping pill So

9:23Ronnie Karam: For real, and then they're trying to tie up all of the storylines and make it seem like they had storylines this season. And Carmella's is, maybe I should tape her off of Adderall. I can't. Okay? You were officially dead to me. No. No. This does not work. I can't take it. And she seems perfectly nice. And it makes me feel bad even saying anything. But no, just no. Go. And also her whole age-shaming thing. I've never seen someone struggle so hard to not age as you. And you're going to sit up here and all your defense is going to be she's an old lady. Like, we're all going to be old ladies. So cut the crap.

10:00Ronnie Karam: Like, your face doesn't even move. You're obviously struggling against it just like the rest of us. So cut the crap. Like, I don't know. And all of that, when she completely has the right to drag Vicky face down across a parking lot, metaphorically, after the way that Vicky has treated her. Carmella is so in the right for coming against Vicky, saying anything to Vicky. She just doesn't do it well. And then her only thing to lean back on is age shaming. And it's like, girl, you are on Bravo for you. This is a network and a show that kind of celebrates age and aging. So fuck off.

10:40Ben Mandelker: Seriously, fuck off. and then um you know yeah gina and emily like at least like you said at least one of them has to go if not i personally think both have to go i don't think that they are like the brand and i think that they i just they just work so hard and and they're they're just they're they give annoying not campy and um i think that's a problem but bravo will probably the rumor is that emily is out but gina's in maybe gina saved herself because she had that clap back to jeff lewis earlier this week. But quite frankly, I think they both should go. And then, you know, I love Shannon Bedore.

11:19Ben Mandelker: Shannon Bedore is one of my all-time favorites. But, like, you know, maybe she needs a little bit of a time out because she's been kind of not doing anything. And it's weird because two years ago, she was at the center of the entire season and she was riveting and we're like, Team Shannon, Team Shannon. And she's so good. She has so much upside. but like there's nothing going on with her and it's just kind of sad well she still gave me the

11:44Ronnie Karam: only legit belly lash from the episode though that when she was talking to guys in the bar i what the heck is with this hantavirus i literally was laughing at last said well she still got it she can still make me laugh i think it's the whole once you've been on a certain amount of years you've just learned how not to fight with everybody like she doesn't let things get under her skin as much as she used to but the whole point of shannon is that everything gets under her skin like that's the point so you know or vicky's like well i don't want to fight i don't want to fight i won't do it okay well that's very mature of you even though you're the one who started it but still like very mature of you but this is a housewife show go away if you're not

12:24Ben Mandelker: willing to get messy yeah vicky grew on me over the course of the season amazingly but i think that shannon maybe whether maybe what it really is is that shannon um you need producers who know how to bring out the fun part of Shannon because, or Shannon needs to have a talking to of like, Shannon, we like you best when you're being like emotionally honest and you're being your true self. And when you're trying to be like fun Shannon, like literally everyone hates it because it's not fun or funny and it's just so put upon. And like, it's just, it never really works. But I think at the very least, we got to get rid of Carmela.

13:02Ben Mandelker: I think we say goodbye to Jen and uh emily and gina please like just please exit stage left and get some just more interesting baddie people in there and like so we don't it's just it's exhausting dealing with like unimportant squabbles that emily and gina whip up amongst everyone on the cast at all times at all times i can't i just can't deal with it anymore and we see this you know this is kind of

13:32Ronnie Karam: a thing for the show. This is kind of a trope of the show. So they're supposed to be whipping up petty squabbles, right? So it's partly their job, but you see people, you see the people who do it right. You look at Salt Lake City. Those arguments right now are possibly the dumbest things that have ever been on Housewives. They don't make any sense. Nobody even thinks they make sense. They just keep taking something and then twisting it, but it never turns even into anything bad. I mean, it's like stealing flowers from somebody's dinner to give to old people, that one. Or Whitney being like, she called me messy.

14:06Ronnie Karam: But it's still so entertaining because they still get so offended at every little thing. And they go for it. So there's a way to do it in an entertaining way. I mean, even Heather and Whitney are pretty entertaining on Salt Lake City at the moment. But Emily is just like, so aren't you mad that so-and-so ever? Oh, my God. it's like she moves into another circle and then she does the same thing nobody cares this is painful and i love no one loves this shit more than us no one loves this shit so when something is going down this hard it's like just save it cut the cord just take down the boat just bring

14:46Ben Mandelker: a new boat at this point yeah i say that we love a petty fight but like have it grounded in funny petty and not like not one of these things where if you say oh i these are really nice scissors so are you saying that like maybe the other scissors you had were not nice no i'm just saying these are nice scissors so you don't like those other scissors why don't you like those other scissors and then like so ben was saying that he doesn't like the other scissors how do you feel about that and it's just kind of like it's like why are you making about scissors

15:17Ronnie Karam: You said that you didn't like the other scissors I stand for other scissors I never said that

15:23Ben Mandelker: I am working so hard I'm like working and like putting 10 years of work Into my newfound passion of real estate from the past two years And like that's like so much work And so for you to come with my scissors is like so wrong

15:38Ronnie Karam: I've never been poor It's time for a commercial It's time for a crappin's commercial I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

15:51Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about stress. Imagine performing a cabaret ten times a week. Or learning a 17th language like French Peruvian.

16:00Ronnie Karam: Bon Gisissimo.

16:02Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy. It's a great way to shift your mood. Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say, what do I have to watch? Now I'm all about, how do I want to feel?

16:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

16:23Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

16:35Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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16:53Ronnie Karam: That's how Prime gives us the power to just not find the feeling we crave, but also to let us experience it to the fullest.

17:00Ben Mandelker: I'm having 30 to 40 positive feelings. Wow!

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17:38Ronnie Karam: Find a pro for your project at Angie.com. Hi, this is Mark Bittman from the podcast Food with Mark Bittman. I've been writing about food and restaurants for almost 50 years, my whole career, really. And what I know is that the good restaurants all have something in common. They're busy, genuinely, chaotically busy. And somehow in the last few years, the best of them have begun to make it look easy. And do you know why? Because they're running on Toast's technology. Toast is built for restaurant owners who understand that Toast's tools keep the line moving and keep their customers happy, with fewer mistakes and hiccups in ordering and paying.

18:20Ronnie Karam: For owners, that turns busy into business. To learn more, head to toasttab.com. That's T-O-A-S-T-T-A-B, toasttab.com.

18:32Ben Mandelker: Toast, built for busy.

18:40Ronnie Karam: All right, so let's get on with it. We open with everybody doing family scenes because, you know, it's a family show. Guys, gather around. Let's watch all these ladies fight. But, you know, at the end of the season, they're like, well, we still have happy families, right, everybody? Right. So we start with Emily and Annabelle's. And Emily clearly does not have conversations like this often with Annabelle, but she's doing it because she's trying to remind us all that she is a good mother. And if she hasn't been, it's Luke's fault, goddamn him. So she sits with Annabelle at like some Build-A-Bear or some shit.

19:16Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, it's important for moms to be with daughters. So I want you to know I love you. I love that you're my daughter. Do you still like me? And she's like, yeah, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to have a heartfelt conversation with you. we've never done this before but thank you for coming out of your room next scene please i give

19:35Ben Mandelker: the hook to this scene we are not starting the season finale of this fucking 20 year the 20 year anniversary season finale we're not starting with fucking emily and annabelle i'm sorry while they let try fragrances and i've got to watch emily apologize no no next scene next scene jen's house i'm sorry we're gonna do that for a lot of these opening scenes so now we come to jen and jen's

19:59Ronnie Karam: with her. You know I love it. I'm like, scroll, F, F, F, F, F button on the remote. So then we go to Jen, Jenina, who is having a conversation with her son that we never see anymore these days, Dominic. And Dominic is just like being a teenage brat. He's like, I don't want to do my homework. I hate school. I'm not doing anything. Fuck you, mom. She's like, we will not speak to me that way. that is not how we speak to people okay thank you so much for this wonderful moment of parenting that is the last bit of parenting anyone will see me do until we start shooting again thank you

20:34Ben Mandelker: thank you so much i feel like the only time other time we saw dominic either i think it was this season but maybe it was last is that he like got on like a motorcycle and was like motored off and they're like where'd dominic go and then um we go to a restaurant wait a minute you're 11 he's just

20:52Ben Mandelker: Now we go to a restaurant and Gina...

20:54Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry to interrupt you again. This is twice in a row, but I'm sorry. While we're on this, did we find out which son of Jen started the fire? Like started the wildfires?

21:04Ben Mandelker: You know, we didn't. I don't know who to be mad at. The other one? Yeah, I think it was the other one. But now hearing that Dominic is really having some disciplinary problems, it might be Dominic. Who knows? We'll have to find out.

21:17Ronnie Karam: Maybe that's why they didn't say his name because he's so young. Well, you know, not attacking Dominic or anything. I think we all have the right to start forest fires and, you know, take down entire cities. I feel bad.

21:29Ben Mandelker: That would be the only reason why Jen would get one more season would be if Bravo wants to explore the fact that, like, she has a son who committed a forest fire. Which is new territory for Bravo. So they may be interested. But what does that really look like? We want to explore that relationship.

21:49Ronnie Karam: Carrie's a big show now God, that's what we need Get a real fire starter in there Although that's a separate movie, but you guys know what I mean

21:56Ben Mandelker: Now we go to a different restaurant And Gina's having lunch with her kids And Matt And her non-Kelly Dodd Her like faux-Kelly Dodd His new girl Whatever, wife There's Brit And Brit's asked So asking a question that no one in America Is asking, so what's going on With the wedding? So no wedding Planning yet? Not even a little? And Travis is like, well, we had to go to an attorney To talk about a prenup Yeah, I just want to do things responsibly Like Gina

22:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I just learned what a prenup is I'm so glad I learned what it is And maybe it was lucky that I'm rich now And I was wearing the same outfit Katie Maloney Wore in a confessional four years ago Did you notice she was Wearing that outfit?

22:45Ben Mandelker: Oh yeah Yeah. I didn't even think about that.

22:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, when they showed the prenup, I was like, wow, Gina's just on the cusp.

22:53Ben Mandelker: Oh, you mean with the white collar and the black?

22:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yes, I totally saw that. I was like, wow, bring it back. Kyle's worn it. Yeah, a lot of people have worn that. I'm wondering if she got that on the Housewives Poshmark.

23:05Ben Mandelker: Well, you know what? I'm allowed to shop because I'm rich now. So we went to the lawyer and I said, okay, tell me about the prenup. Is it that like anything that fits into my mini backpack is like I get to keep after the marriage? Or is it like more than yet? And so they talk about their prenup. And it's thrilling. Who can't wait to see like what part of the George Foreman grill someone gets to keep after they get divorced?

23:34Ronnie Karam: Who's going to keep the room divider that you guys had in the kids' room?

23:39Ben Mandelker: hey uh who's gonna keep the uh who's gonna keep the the pyrex uh actually i'm not i won't say that because that i would actually fight for that i'd be like i keep the pyrex something goes down with me i know you're really upping the alley with pyrex uh so then gina's

23:54Ronnie Karam: like oh by the way it's total normal lunch conversation have you guys done estate planning okay uh they're like no and she goes i don't even know if i would be able to go into the hospital she's like yeah you wouldn't be like you know you'll find out about things like that once you're rich like estate planning and stuff like that because like you guys don't even marry and so like if he got sick like would you even be able to go to the hospital you have to think about

24:20Ben Mandelker: things like that i'm like rich now and i'm smart now take that hitherto bro then we go to shannon's house um and it's a very sad scene this was like it was our goodbye archie scene unofficially it Actually, the editors were very tasteful about this. They actually never tell the audience what happens with Archie, but Shannon FaceTimes the girls, and it's like the goodbye to Archie scene. But of course, because it's Shannon, they have a dog psychic on there. So the dog psychic is like, Hey, so my name's K.O., and I just want you all to know that um archie says he feels you he feels you i'm like wow uh it's it's great that they spent five hundred dollars to have a lady yeah how much was that

25:14Ronnie Karam: i'll be a damn dog psychic but anyway any dog psychic worth their salt like if they were really reading that dog's mind and i was sitting here crying at the scene with bueller on my lap of Of course. But any dog psychic who really knew what they were talking would be like, Ronnie, I'm hearing what Bueller is saying. And he's saying he wants a treat. That's all that he's saying. Most of the time, that is what he's saying. Or where are you going? Or do you see me? Or, you know, where's my treat? That's pretty much, those are his thoughts over and over again. Because Shanna's talking about, should we go to radiation with the dog?

25:56Ronnie Karam: Should we do all that? trigger i don't want to talk about all this shit it was very sad he is he is thinking about the treatment i'm like the dog is not thinking about radiation and meanwhile archie is looking right into the camera just being so cute he's like looking us straight in the eye i know maybe

26:12Ben Mandelker: both watched him together god bless you arch i know godspeed it was it was beautiful the girls are crying and they had this they did they did like a montage it's a young dog honestly it was really sad and um they did this beautiful montage of archie over the years i was like getting joked up too and then um they did this lovely final shot of archie just looking at the camera and

26:33Ronnie Karam: then they sort of crossfaded it into the waves i was like archiables he's such a photogenic man too the way he just like sits there and stares right at us into the camera i mean that was a good two minutes that he was just staring right at us like are you gonna give me a treat why are you fucking looking at me still how many years have you been staring right at me with not without giving me one single treat fuck you audience yeah seriously um so then we go to uh newport beach uh

27:04Ben Mandelker: they've decided to go on one of those um octagonal tiki bar boats i think i've done this once or twice before and it's tamra jen and carmella tamra is as come on board to send her castmates off into the sunset because this will be one of their last scenes that they ever shoot, I suspect. And they are going to have fun time. And so Jen's like, what? Why do I feel like you're going on a tiki boat and I'm going on a yacht? Look at the way I'm dressed. Isn't that hilarious? So funny. So funny, right? Oh, thank you so much for having me on this boat. Yeah, you look so cute.

27:40Ronnie Karam: Sorry it's not a yacht, but hey. So Tamara's like, me and Jen are so close now. We stay in the room and take you together. That's so stupid. She fell for it. And Jan's like, oh my god, this is so weird. Tamara's being nice to me. Do I fall for it?

27:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, no. I do believe that Tamara is using Jen to get back at Heather. And I support it. I think it's very funny. So then Carmella arrives. And she's like, oh my god, this is fun. Party starts now. Just kidding. She goes, what kind of situation was this? It was like a boat. It was a boat with a bar. Like, what is this?

28:20Ronnie Karam: What kind of situation is this? Why is this moving? It's a boat, stupid. Okay, let's talk about your very, very serious drug addiction. You couldn't come to Japan because you're addicted to ADHD medication. Why do you even take that? She's like, for ADHD? That's stupid. You don't need that. You should stop taking it. Just stop. She's like, you can't just taper off of ADD medication. Yeah, you can. Try it. It'd be hilarious. Wouldn't it be funny if she just totally lost her mind, was entertaining from TV for five minutes? Quit taking it.

28:53Ben Mandelker: So I started taking Adderall for ADHD later in life, probably like three years ago. I take it daily, and it's a small dose. But if all of a sudden I'm not taking that medication, especially having diabetes, it's going to throw off everything. I may get a pillow that has some color in it. Could you imagine a red pillow in my house? It'd be terrible. I got to stay on it.

29:14Ronnie Karam: So Jen's like Are you dependent? Do you think that you're dependent? Are you a drug addict? And she's like well I mean it's something I have to Wean off of Well maybe it's not good to be on it you shouldn't be on that Hey quick drugs come at us It's the season finale Come at us please come back to us please She's like okay guys I'll wean off Yeah we did it We did a drug storyline okay Paycheck leave So weird

29:40Ben Mandelker: I know it was like let's introduce in the last episode this Adderall storyline and then we'll

29:46Ronnie Karam: wrap it up so yeah then and I know what ADHD is I have it I think what I'm missing in the Carmela of it all is the H part where's that part the H part the what's the what is the H part attention deficit hyper hyperactivity or I know that I have it I haven't I haven't been able to pay attention long enough to know what the h means but i think it's hyperactivity right

30:13Ben Mandelker: i think so now that you say it and honestly oh my gosh now i'm like oh my gosh all that people are gonna come after me i'm not even sure the a is there well i mean if you took the h off

30:24Ronnie Karam: and the h becomes an a i'm just yeah it's hyperactivity i don't know why that sounded wrong to me when i actually said it out loud um but yeah some energy come on get get some So then Carmella's like well Go ahead

30:40Ben Mandelker: What's going on with Vicky Wait are you going to get over a party Did she invite you to your party Did you get her to the party You want to fight with her at the party Get her at the party You want to fight with her at the party Well she didn't invite me Oh You want to go to the party So you can yell at her

30:59Ronnie Karam: Get her at the party Come on I'll invite you Come on You still go anyway and get it, Vicky Also, Vicky, you don't get to do this This is a season finale This woman is part of the cast of Real Housewives of Orange County You can't just not invite her Vicky's such an asshole Like, she's the worst So Carmella's like, wait, do you guys really think I should go? I'm like, yeah, make Vicky sound bad, it'd be hilarious Like, yeah, stand up for yourself Stand up for yourself, girl And she's like, well, she just doesn't stop with me She just keeps going Yeah, she just does double down on you You need to tell her to fucking stop At the Skytop party Stop Skytop party

31:38Ben Mandelker: Skytop stop I will be there And since I am known to be very fun I will also have a Skytop ready to wear And you will have a confrontation That you've been waiting months and months for Just you wait, everyone

31:52Ronnie Karam: Trust me, ladies I have no attention No intention of kumbaya. Ooh, here comes Carmella, big bad Carmella's gonna finally give us something and sneeze and smell it.

32:08Ben Mandelker: Now we go to Heather's penthouse and it's a fun family scene because we all are happy. So, oh look, Nikki is here in the kitchen and here's Terry and Terry's like, where's the creatine, right? And Nikki's like, what do you mean? It's in there. I mean, how am I supposed to go maintain pain my muscularity. Pause for laughs. Pause for laughs. I feel like is Heather so committed to just landing a sitcom sometime in her life that she's just going to turn her family into a sitcom? Is that what's happening here? Yeah.

32:40Ronnie Karam: I think she's always just pausing like there's a laugh track that's going on. She's like, mm-hmm, nailed it, right audience. It's like, so by the way, my mother's going to be here soon. Oh, first though, Nikki, I bought you caramels back from the caramel store in Japan.

32:59Ben Mandelker: he's like ooh give me a coffee one and then Carol walks in oh look there's my daughter giving my grandson sugar hello everyone and Nikki's like uh yeah I'm gonna go work out and shower bye so Heather and her mom sit down on the sofa and Heather's like have you decided to take any steps towards meeting people in the art world mother or are you just going to sit on your lazy ass in the apartment that we bought for you

33:26Ronnie Karam: well the whole where I'd seen in Los Angeles. I mean, it's more open than New York. I'll give it that. I just love living here. The artists, they're just so lovely to me. And look, being here, I even have a chance to speak to the kids. I'm not going to take it, but at least I know the options there. You know what I mean? It's like when you call customer service and they say two for Spanish. I don't know Spanish. I'm never going to press two, but I'm nice to this thought there's an option for the people that need it.

33:53Ben Mandelker: Well, the kids aren't really here, though, as you may have noticed. Oh, well, Max called me. That was nice. Well, Max has always called you. That doesn't count. Well, that's true. But we had a very long discussion, mainly about you. And we both agree you're really not the best. Okay, Mother, I think you have to make a little bit more of an effort with the other kids. And I guess, like, Ace, a few, like a month ago, Ace told Heather, like, yeah, I've only seen Grandma once. Isn't that weird? Twice. Yeah.

34:24Ronnie Karam: And she's like, all Ace wanted from my mother was a handwritten card. So I said, write him a card. She wouldn't do it. She wouldn't do it. That's such an odd request from a kid. Was that really what Ace wanted? Yeah, I've never heard a kid who's like, you know what I really want? What I've always wanted my whole life, mother? One handwritten card from grandma. Maybe$20. Maybe like where's my$100 check from grandma on my birthday or something like that. I know.

35:00Ben Mandelker: It's like what is what really happened? Heather walked up to Ace and said, wouldn't it be nice if grandma wrote you a handwritten note? Yeah, that would be nice. That's all he wants, mother. A handwritten note from you. I heard it from his own mouth. It's like this is Heather clearly putting. Also, Ace has requested that you stop laughing at him when he cries at movies Oh, and Ace wants to remind you that he's not just funny, but he's smart You can be smart and talented at the same time, Mother Ace's words, not my own

35:34Ronnie Karam: All this, she doesn't understand my drama And she's never written my child a handwritten card How will this season end? So Carol's like, oh, Heather, please, they have telephones too if they want to call me Jesus. Oh, wow. Well, anyway, when I was in Amsterdam last year, that was, you know, it was very cathartic, spreading of dad's ashes. That was great. And I'm glad you're living here now. I think it's important. Moving forward, I don't want there to be things left unsaid. For example, why didn't you spread dad's ashes? Why did I have to spread dad's ashes? What is wrong with you?

36:09Ben Mandelker: Do you know I had to go on a vacation with poor people just to get dad in that canal? It's offensive.

36:16Ronnie Karam: I had to walk into a used home

36:21Ben Mandelker: It was moving forward I just don't want things to be left unsaid Well, are there things that are left unsaid? I mean, even if you did try to say them I wouldn't be able to hear it Beyond your crying at the movie theater, am I right? Oh, cry baby over here I'm on Costco movie theater, crying, first row

36:40Ronnie Karam: While we're not leaving things unsaid You are putting a mini bar in my new bedroom here in this apartment. Mother! No! Oh, I guess as long as you can't think of anything. Well, you know what, Heather? I can't think of anything. Go ahead.

36:54Ben Mandelker: The only thing I can think of is, um, God, I hate writing letters. Yeah, I said it.

37:02Ronnie Karam: You know what? While we're on the topic, I hate having to go to the mail. People send you something. You have to open that. You open it up, and they've handwritten something. We have typewriters now. Why do I have to read your scribble? Mother! That's a handwritten card!

37:21Ben Mandelker: So Carol's like, so are there things left unsaid? Should I just hang myself up on the wall as usual and you throw darts like you do every single time we get together?

37:32Ronnie Karam: Oh, let's play a game together. Torture Mother on national television. That'll be fun. Go ahead. Let me tell you one game Adam Sandler never plays with his mother. Torture your mother on national television

37:45Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying Stop bringing Adam Sandler up as a comparison It does not count just because he moved to a town In Long Island Well I think it's an apt comparison Now let me Stand over here and I'll hand you this axe You can throw it at my heart Okay mother Let's be honest

38:04Ronnie Karam: I'll be honest about something While we're not leaving things unsaid Adam Sandler's mother One thing she does have over me is bragging rights. Yeah, it's heading. Should I write that in the card?

38:17Ben Mandelker: I'm a working actress. I'm a working actress. And look, I'm not being negative. I'm a hypersensitive, emotional person. You said it, not me. Excuse me. My turn. Still me. And when I was growing up, I would cry at movies. And you guys would laugh at me. Well, I mean, come on, Heather. We were watching Top Gun and you're crying when he's flying around in the sky. It was ridiculous.

38:42Ronnie Karam: I mean, Heather, the man's name was Goose. Of course we're going to laugh. Come on.

38:48Ben Mandelker: I mean, Heather, why are you crying? So, you know, Glenn Close goes and stalks Michael Douglas, and you're sitting there crying? Come on.

38:55Ronnie Karam: Who hasn't eaten a bunny every once in a while? I mean, come on. It's called making dinner. Am I right? God, you're just so defensive about everything, Heather. It's not so extreme. You don't have to make everything so extreme. Well, it's how I feel. Okay. Well, you want me to share something with you? Listen, Heather, you have a hard time laughing at yourself. If you had as easy a time laughing at you as the rest of us do, laughing about you, your life would be much easier.

39:21Ben Mandelker: Do you remember, Heather, when we went as a family and saw Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger, and you just started sobbing and sobbing when Ray Ton Chong came on the screen? I mean, come on. You have to admit, that was funny. You've got to laugh at yourself some more.

39:35Ronnie Karam: Well, I agree, Mother. I have a hard time laughing at myself because I've learned, don't laugh at your own jokes. Who am I? Natalie from Facts of Life. But I'm emotional. Thank you, Alfredo. Jeez, it's about time. Now I like to talk about feelings and that kind of thing. You want to talk about feelings? Yeah, that's warm, warm Heather. That's super warm Heather.

39:59Ben Mandelker: I don't want to say something that's going to upset you. I mean, God forbid. I mean, I'm the artist here. I must be the one that's all shattered all the time, but yo, geez. And so Heather's like, wow, you don't want to say something that'll upset me for the past 57 years. She's like, ha, ha, oh yeah. I guess it has been that long that you've been annoying. And she's like, mother, you know what? My mother, she just is who she is. And I can be angry or I can embrace the flamboyant, eccentric, fabulous woman that she is and let the other things go. So I choose angry.

40:34Ronnie Karam: Well, Heather, you know, just not to be argumentative But I'm very emotional I've got so many emotions You know, listen, I don't do it in front of you Look, I'll slap you Does that count as an emotion? She starts laughing Team Carol I love Carol

40:52Ben Mandelker: Heather got nowhere with it Her mom was just like, oh god, this one again Yeah Trying to get water from a stone there

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43:06Ronnie Karam: Now they're asking you to show up for real. Make a gift today at plannedparenthood.org slash defend. Then go tell the group chat about it. Cota da Casa Country Club. oh my gosh i will say about this country club the view is incredible but everything else is pretty to say that it was it was well it's a beautiful view

43:30Ben Mandelker: it's a beautiful view of the chimneys that used to be right next to vicky's house so yeah um vicky has brought gina uh so that way gina can see what life would be like if she ever joined a country club i guess and gina's like i'm so excited that we're doing this this is like my old stomping ground too because i used to live here i never was in a casita i was rich i lived in coda de casa like i lived in a country club i was very very rich i was a i was a very wealthy person like people like came to me to donate for causes like i'm important so because like yeah okay

43:56Ronnie Karam: i went to your house one time i remember going to your house and i remember thinking this girl's

44:01Ben Mandelker: trash this girl's trash i'm not like new girls it was great i'm glad we're friends i lived here originally with matt when i first moved to california and now that i'm engaged to travis it almost feels like I was like a different person. Cause like, you know, I worked incredibly hard for the past decade to get to where I am. And like, I'm like really proud of that. Like I was never poor. I did not live in a casita, even though, did I ever spend time living in a casita and like sleeping there on a regular basis and like had my own space there? Yes. But I didn't live in a casita. So like, don't get interested.

44:36Well,

44:37Ronnie Karam: hello employees. We're celebrating our 20th anniversary of Real Housewives, which I created. I created. And they're like, wow, you're so great, Vicky. She's like, yeah, yeah, thank you very much. It's crazy. 21 years ago, there was a documentary of just living behind the gates. And, you know, I'm so prideful of where this is all gone. You know, my gates have their week. Where's my week? Where's my week? Okay. Well, the point is, I'm glad to bring it back here and celebrate 20 years. And then we see some clips of when they first started the show. And it really is funny because they're being filmed on, like, beta cam.

45:13You know, someone's camcorder.

45:16Ronnie Karam: And they're just standing around in a semicircle. And they're just trying to think of stuff to say in front of the camera. It's like, look, we're ladies. We're ladies with a pool. It's like, oh, my God, we live in the sun. It's so much fun, camera. Yeah.

45:29Ben Mandelker: It's 80 degrees here. And it's February. And it's, like, hot. And we love it here. Like, that's what they said. Yeah. It's very much like you're bringing the home. It's like Thanksgiving and you have like a camcorder. And you put the camcorder on like, you know, Aunt Carol or something like that. Like, say something. We're having a great Thanksgiving. Yeah. The turkey was good. And we're just happy that the family is here. And then there's like an awkward pause while your aunt waits for you to move the camcorder on to the next person.

46:01Ronnie Karam: Yes. Okay. Get that thing off of me now. But yeah, that's what this show used to be like. And it's interesting that it ends with them standing in the semicircle with Emily trying to think of things to say to a camera. I mean, we've really come a long way. And nowhere at all. So they're planning this big party. And then Vicky's talking about how Sky Tops were a thing. And we're going to have a Sky Top party. And she's like, okay, we're going to do a champagne toast. What else should we do? Do you have any entertainment happening? Like, what are you going to do? As someone who's got money now, I would never have a party without entertaining people.

46:39Ronnie Karam: And I don't know if you noticed, but Gina keeps doing this, like lifting her left hand and flicking her diamond around on the camera. She's like, yeah. I did not notice that. What are we going to do for entertainment?

46:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's going to be gone. Vicky's like, oh, yeah, we're going to have to have some entertainment. And by the way, they did show this clip of an early reunion. I'm not sure if it was the first one, but Andy talking to the women about their sky tops. and he's like whoa what are these sky tops you guys give us gifts and then we see footage that that's what they really would give each other sky tops as gifts they're like you get a sky top i get a sky top it's like a it's like getting a robe and being a part of a secret society um yes so

47:17Ronnie Karam: they're just all so ugly i mean even back then it was like what are these things they're not flattery so funny like kind of cotton top swooped in the middle with a big jewel of some kind like a big brooch type thing in the middle hilarious they're like deeply unflattering i don't know why

47:35Ben Mandelker: they were so obsessed with them maybe because you got like the fun of like a tube top or uh even like a like a like a tank top but it was actually like a proper top so i don't know i i don't i don't know i don't know i won't pretend to know but all i know is that the employees leave so gina's like vicky this is gonna be like such a fun party so who are you gonna invite to it uh and vicky's like well all the girls and like gina keogh's coming and joe's coming is carmella coming she's like well i don't know i mean like i don't really understand her for like her to say some things that she said about like everybody has an expiration date and like you're like betty white like you're old like i can't change the date of my birth and like you're disrespectful to somebody who's been like around for like a long time so like find your place over there

48:15Ronnie Karam: little girl sorry yeah i don't like the old comments either but vicky you started it okay You started it, lady. And Gina's like, well, I mean, yeah, it's going to just be what it is. Like, you can't change people. Like, if they don't have the class, they don't have the class. So Vicky's like, oh, by the way, how do you like your coach? Like, oh, my God, I love my coach. Yeah, I'm so mad that you got it. You know, were you offended when the girls started talking about your buddy? Because as a woman in business, email, hold on, I've sent an email. Okay, bye. You know, did you just get my email about how offended you should be that the other girls were talking about your buddy?

48:53Ronnie Karam: That's not right. That's not right.

48:55Ben Mandelker: I thought you handled it fabulous. It's like, it's not their business. It's like, you're responsible. You have a business. You're good. It's so out of character. Gina's like, thank you. And you know what, Vicky? Thank you for that. That means like a lot. And Vicky says that, you know, Gina wasn't as polished when I met her eight years ago. I'm like, she wasn't as polished when you saw her eight minutes ago. Sorry. She's still not polished.

49:15Ronnie Karam: it was funny that they put this clip in she's like well you know you know eight years ago she wasn't very polished and then they put a clip in of everybody doing shots and she'd be like wow like screaming at the top of her lungs and vicky just looking at her pursing her lips like trash absolute trash hated her back then hated her yeah she's doing she did the same thing to

49:35Ben Mandelker: gina that she's doing to carmella now yeah so gina's like to heather to say something like oh she's got her first gig and it's like the first time i have money or something like no i've been so responsible my money for like so many years i swear to god like gina getting so sanctimonious about heather's thing that she didn't even hear with her own ears she only heard it through emily who also did emily wasn't even there for that so that's the thing that's even the worst part is that is that heather told this to tamra tamra told this to emily emily told to gina so it's gone through like four iterations and gina is now taking what emily says as sacrosanct and now she's going to use that and she could be so like high and mighty about it when she herself has made similar analogies and metaphors or comparisons and commented so much on people's money and counted people's money and has had so much to say and has made so many scenes about it and the moment that there's like this light commentary from heather that's really actually not even shady it's like actually a perfectly valid thing to bring up.

50:42Ben Mandelker: Gina can just fuck all the way off. I'm sorry. Goodbye.

50:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, look, I agree with you that Gina's a total hypocrite. I mean, I remember the Jen stuff. Like, you can't afford that. Like, what are you even doing? You're poor. You know, she does do—she is a hypocrite. She is Gina. But I think it was offensive of everybody to be like, oh, wow, now she's so rich and high and mighty. You know, I can see why she's offended. But she does take a Gina and really run with it. Well, I do think it was kind of shitty of Heather to say, and Tamara, and all of them. But on the other hand, it is also weird seeing Gina being like, oh my god, I need 19 Pradas.

51:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it is. It's like out of, I mean, if I were her, I would have just been like, you know what? Don't worry about my money, because half you bitches don't have any money, and you're buying more than I have. And you've done it for many years. So don't worry about me. Let me buy my stupid bag. And then just drop it there. But the fact that she's going to turn it into, like, I can't believe Heather would say this. And like Heather's right, when she later says, I was just relaying something from my past, basically. It was Tamara who was full on judging you and judging your choices.

51:49Ronnie Karam: Well Gina's been coming for Heather for a long time You know Heather was trying her whole Oh I need a friend it's gonna be Gina I'm gonna let her try on 90 of this exact same jacket The same salmon colored Leather jacket You know when she brought all those clothes racks in Of the same jacket I mean it was weird And being like look at us New York girls Having a slice of sa And then Gina was like I think Gina is very sad Heather's so snotty And Heather's like you think she's better than me because she has like Heather Gina's always had a little bit of resentment that Heather's so rich and she's so poor and that's why she's coming on here flicking her diamond around literally like holding her diamond up literally doing this the whole episode because she's got the engagement and she's got the diamond and she's got all of this stuff that they hold so they hold it up to such a standard where they are you know it's like oh my gosh you have to be money and you have to you have to have a husband.

52:46Ronnie Karam: Like, look how they are with Shannon. Like, oh my God, I can't believe poor Shannon. She doesn't have a man. Let's try and get Shannon a man. Shannon doesn't have a man, everybody. And, you know, so Gina now thinks she's like, oh, now I'm winning because I have a diamond and I have a man. I can't believe anybody's criticizing me. But it's just, I don't know. I wish there was more quiet confidence there instead of like trying to become the people that she's been resenting for all this time.

53:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, she like, Like, she both wants Heather's approval and she resents Heather's place in life. And she, because like, she wants to be where Heather is. And now she feels like she's finally there. And then to hear that Heather sort of made this offhand comment, it's just like, she sees it as further separation that she's not on Heather's tier or in her level or in her class or whatever. And Gina, it's like a chatter Gina and she can't deal with it. And she, she, so now she flips out and she and Emily both have this thing. I think that Emily projects her mommy issues onto Heather and Gina projects whatever issues that she has onto Heather.

53:49Ben Mandelker: They're both projecting onto Heather. And then because Heather is like an avatar for whatever their issues are, they can both come together and then bitch together about Heather and why Heather is so terrible. But the truth is it's their own issues and they have to get over it because Heather has not done anything wrong. I'm sorry. I don't think she did anything wrong by bringing up that anecdote about people that she's seen before who get money and then, you know, burn through it really quickly. Like, I don't think it was, I don't think it was a nasty thing to bring up. Was there maybe some judginess in it?

54:23Ben Mandelker: Sure. But like, can we not have, you know, like some thicker skin here over this stupid bullshit? So I'm sorry. I just, I can't even give Gina anything in this. I think she has to get over her own shit.

54:33Ronnie Karam: You get nothing So then we go to I really like having this wig

54:38Ben Mandelker: So after I make a monologue I can just brush my bangs And be like I said what I said

54:44Ronnie Karam: Well I definitely feel like I have authority here Because I have a captain's hat So I'm like well You can think what you want about Gina But I'm giving her a pass on this one It was rude So you know Dress for the person you want to be Guys Get down the fenders So then we go over to A really great scene, Carmella Okay, so Carmella's with Danny Who's probably just lied about something And the kids And then we get to see Carmella's ex Jeff, Jeff Garcia finally comes On screen, everybody I know you've been dying And Carmella looks like she's in love with Jeff There I said it When he walks in and she's just like, hi The way she looks at Jeff, I've never seen her look at anything Like that like nothing she came alive for two seconds maybe she just was feeling so happy that he came in with

55:37Ben Mandelker: a big white beard she's like oh my god thank you for matching my interior decor thank you so much because again literally everything in this scene except for carmela herself i think she was wearing like a red top she wears color but everything in that house is fucking beige and like her kids are wearing beige and our kids have nothing interesting to say i'm sorry to say that but they have nothing interesting to say and then jeff comes in and he has nothing interesting to say and danny just sits there he has nothing interesting to do or say or nothing is going on in this world they're they're and i say it like they're just normal people they're just not reality show people so i'm like why are we why do we have a camera over here in rancho santa rancho yeah but we do alas we do so

56:19Ronnie Karam: they talk about the kids need to get a job and he wants a car and they're not going to just get him a car and the economy's changed dad okay that was fun so now let's go over to jen's house and jen is uh talking to ryan about her kids and specifically dom because dom's been a very bad boy and ryan's like i mean what is this like last week there was a meeting at school he had 80

56:42Ben Mandelker: missed assignments and she's like 88 ryan i have to say you know we've gone on a journey with ryan because he is basically a fuck boy we still believe he's gonna cheat you know he definitely had some interesting relationship with that guy who went to jail but i have to say this season i am really um i'm really vibing with ryan because he's sitting there like like jen what the fuck are you doing all he wants to do is be like can we please can like please let me step in here please you're you're just you're doing it you're really messing up here you're not doing what you

57:22Ronnie Karam: need to be doing for this kid at the moment yeah um on one hand i feel like they're like he's kind of being shitty like he keeps dragging the dad in every scene like the birth father and he's like this guy doesn't do shit why are we having to do everything and this guy doesn't and part of me is like well you did sleep with this guy's wife and then that led to this guy getting a divorce which led to him not working for the family company where he made all the money so part of me is like i don't even know anything about this guy so i'm not saying like wow you know great i hope he's a deadbeat dad i'm not saying anything like that i just feel like i cringe a little bit every time ryan starts dragging this guy i'm like you you slept with his wife but i'm also like i don't

58:11Ben Mandelker: think you get to drag him you know what you know what i but like literally none of those things that you brought up like that would be those are great reasons why will would hate ryan but literally none of those reasons even would explain why like should justify even one ounce of this guy being such a deadbeat and not being present in these kids lives like that's so shitty and like it shouldn't even it shouldn't even matter um and like yeah i know what you're saying about like uh like ryan you you like like you're dragging this guy when you're the one who likes like took his wife like like yeah i understand like will's will's emotional state like i can see why that would be very frustrating but ultimately i think that ryan is kind of a place of like, I'm not allowed to do anything here because I'm like the stepdad.

59:02Ben Mandelker: I'm the stepdad who came in and slept with the guy's wife. But then also he's not doing anything. And it's frustrating because we see these kids unraveling on TV. Like, please, like, put me in, coach. Put me in.

59:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and I think there is the thing like, oh, well, you know, I chose this situation and now I'm being the dad to these kids, but I don't have any power either to be. It's like I can pay for everything, but I can't say anything. so I guess I get that I just feel like it's a little bit I think it's because we watch Housewives and they're like mom shaming you mom shamed me so whenever somebody brings up somebody else's parenting even though it's the dads I guess that's different but from what we've seen the kids all love the dad so I mean I don't know I'm not really trying to stand up for Will I'm just saying I don't know anything about him except that I cringe every time Ryan brings it up

59:57Ben Mandelker: I don't know why. See, for me, I'm just more like, I see Ryan trying really hard to be supportive of Jen and not seem crazy on TV, but he's kind of saying, the kids are out of control and you're doing nothing. You're doing nothing. And at one point he says, I was thinking that we could be a little more disciplinarian. And she's like, oh yeah, okay, well, yeah. And Jen is, I mean, bless her heart, like she just seems to have no clue you know no clue and if i get accused of mom shaming well okay all right congratulations i've mom shamed i've done it okay we can all move on but like she is just like well i don't know i mean what should i do like she just she's so lost and ryan's sitting there like i don't know maybe we could like ground the kid or something like that's what his eyes are saying because it seems like well yeah he's saying he's saying i mean look like let's talk about the

1:00:54Ronnie Karam: speeding ticket okay there was that speeding ticket where he's going like 165 miles an hour whatever the hell that was and there were zero consequence you said you're going to do something but then you didn't do anything she's like you're right yeah you're right i did not i did not he's like okay so maybe a therapist she's like sure ryan you know what just keep adding everything to my plate okay like i mean i just can't be everything to everybody all the time i can't be everything to these kids at all moments it's like well it's like that's what the therapist

1:01:21Ben Mandelker: is there for is that you send the kids to the therapist and that way it takes it off of you a bit because the kid has someone to talk to to like who also is licensed and would maybe be able to approach the situation in a way that's not gonna like overtax you you know and um so ryan is like you know you know it's like jen is concerned about the five kids and maybe what pressure points that puts on me and he's like i i'm fine with it he's like i don't i'm i want to step in I'm not concerned about it because she's just always afraid that she's going to send Ryan off. But also, if you're concerned, if you're with someone that you're afraid is going to leave you the moment you ask them to share in some of your life's burdens, then maybe that's not the right person for you.

1:02:07Ben Mandelker: But what he's saying is like, no, I am actually that person. She just doesn't realize it.

1:02:13Ronnie Karam: yeah you're saying no i want to be that person but i also like i'm sorry to bring this up but i also need to become more of a disciplinarian and she gets like oh you know and he's like okay but see you're getting frustrated and she's like oh no i'd love for somebody to come help i would love for that i would love for that because she's saying on one hand like i'm afraid that he's going to leave because the pressure of the kids is too much but not being able to do anything to help the situation of the kids is what ultimately is frustrating him the most so i don't know

1:02:48Ben Mandelker: at one point she's not jealous at one point she goes you know i i think the fact that will and i do not co-parent is horrific on my kids i'm like you think jen you think it's like she seems like the sweetest woman but sometimes i'm like jen come on let's let's she's like i'm starting to realize that maybe this is affecting the children like yes dominic's behavior problems have something

1:03:13Ronnie Karam: to do with the divorce oh maybe maybe it's a classic that that is a classic so uh now we go to a bar with heather shannon and emily and um heather is like look at me fun heather on a taco Tuesday. What is this? A casual joint? I wore my most casual outfit. A Chanel t-shirt that's $1 ,900. Let's party!

1:03:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, the shirt says something like, yes, it's me. Is it really a Chanel shirt that costs$1 ,900? Because I would not be surprised.

1:03:49Ronnie Karam: Oh, I thought, maybe I'm thinking back to the Mexican food restaurant, where she's like, oh, look how much fun I'm having. Heather's had a couple of these this season, I guess. No, the bar where they're trying to get Shannon laid Is this that or is this the restaurant later? Maybe I'm getting my scenes confused. But yeah, if he showed up, is this the bar where they're trying to get Shannon laid? Okay, so this one is where she's wearing a shirt that says, yes, it's me. And she's like, television TV, bro.

1:04:17Ben Mandelker: And it still is like, look, I'm wearing a t-shirt to a bar. But it's not like a dive bar look that she has on. So yeah, Heather, Shannon, Emily go to the bar. And Heather goes, hello. We're in the peninsula. We did it, which I guess, I don't know. I know the Balboa Peninsula, is that like where the dive bars are? And Hemley's like, what does that mean? It means I'm casual. I'm in your neighborhood, so I'm dressing casually. My outfit only costs$3 ,500 today.

1:04:54Ronnie Karam: Yes, it's me. Do you have an espresso martini? And I can't believe they cut off the no dairy. because I needed to hear that. It's my favorite part of the order for some reason. I want an espresso martini. No dairy.

1:05:10Ben Mandelker: No, when you're in the peninsula, anything goes. So Emily says, I'd love to take Heather to places that she normally wouldn't frequent, like a dive bar. Whoa, fancy pants. And Heather's like, you think I haven't spent time in dive bars? I'm from New York. I mean, I remember one time going to the hotel bar at the Waldorf Astoria. I was like, what a dump. I'm pretty seasoned with these things.

1:05:40Ronnie Karam: I'm from New York. I mean, Rochester, but where does she grow up? Chappaqua. Yeah, Chappaqua. But still, lots of dive bars there.

1:05:52Ben Mandelker: You know me. This is the Heather Dubrow that can drop a piece of pizza on a sidewalk because she's just so real. She's been to dive bars, which is famously a bar where you go and watch diving competitions, yes?

1:06:06Ronnie Karam: Actually, if you remember, I dropped that bit of za right onto my purse, which was me being one of the people. It was great when I had all the Alfredos gather in the backyard and burn that purse.

1:06:22Ben Mandelker: I said I never want to smell za on my purse ever again. And then I took a pizza and I threw a slice right at Alfredo's face just to emphasize the point. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Dive bars.

1:06:36Ronnie Karam: Shannon comes and Heather's like, oh, look, it's Shannon. And I'm just a fun girl in a dive bar. This is what we do. Does anybody want to date Shannon Bedore? She's a beautiful woman who hates the sound of electrical hums coming from elevators down the hallway. Anyone?

1:06:54Ben Mandelker: Well, Heather is always on the lookout for me And she's like a hellhound determined to find me a gentleman Hey, mister, would you like to go on a date with Shannon? And the guy's like, I would love to She looks wealthy and I have some debts Okay, cool, well here she is

1:07:13Ronnie Karam: Listen, we can't be too picky with Shannon, all right? I mean, Shannon, she can't get laid I'll just hook her up with one of the guys sitting up front asking for change

1:07:23Ben Mandelker: so then um uh one guy goes up to shannon and says nice nice to meet you dude she goes oh well he called me dude i don't know i don't know how i feel about that being called dude oh yeah not a good choice i am not a guy i am not then the guy comes up and hits on emily he's like hey

1:07:41Ronnie Karam: i'd love to get your number oh yeah you're so sexy it's like well well she thinks you look like Brad Pitt, so there's something. He's like, yeah, I get it. I get that. This man's face was blurred out, and I can promise you this man does not look like Brad Pitt. Yes, I will guarantee that. There's no way. Even the shape and the blur was not close to Brad Pitt.

1:08:06Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm married, Brad, so stay away. I've got an adorable Rumpelstiltskin at home. So Heather says, I am not surprised. Emily's getting hit on. She looks hot, and she's giving off pheromones. I mean, put it away, Emily. You're married. Ha ha ha. Dive bar humor. One of the people.

1:08:25Ronnie Karam: Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says part two.

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