#3599 RHOC S20E17 Part Two: Sky Top’s The Limit

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0:38Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So they change bars and Shannon meets a guy at the bar right away and starts talking to him. This guy's kind of hot, actually. And he's like, well, do you have kids? How old are the kids? Oh, wow. Wow. So let me tell you, I'll show you guys how to flirt. When frickin' Creed comes to SoCal, I am going. I am going. Creed all the way.

1:21Ben Mandelker: So what's going on with this Hantavirus bullshit? Am I right? I mean, Hantavirus. We just got through COVID and now we got Hantavirus. More like I can't deal with it. Am I right? Hantavirus. Don't worry.

1:34Ronnie Karam: It's not Hanta. I can't with the Hanta. Am I right? And we see them flashing up on the screen. Do talk about creed. Don't talk about infectious diseases. Oh, yeah. And, you know, now they're saying the power grid can go dead. How are we supposed to communicate? Oh, what are you going to put your radio in the solar?

1:56Ben Mandelker: Don't talk Share your conspiracies And then he was caught walking on the beach with a slut Anyway, why were we talking again about it?

2:07Ronnie Karam: So he's like, alright, listen Best thing I can give you is a phone number So then we go to Tamara's house And Teddy's over there Hi, I'm Teddy And they're getting ready for the Skytop party And let me tell you, Teddy is here to add as much as she has ever added to one of these shows. And she does it just as consistently as usual. So good for you.

2:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, good for you. So Tamara is saying how, Teddy's like, where did you guys even get your Sky Tops? And Tamara's saying that they just had to get them off of eBay and Poshmark. And then we see Heather and Jen on the way to the party, and Heather's like, well, I haven't seen you since Tokyo. Some people have been telling me that they think Tamara is trying to leave me out. on purpose. What do you think about that? And then we see a flashback of Emily saying, during the pub crawl, saying, Jen and Tamara are taking those selfies together. Do you think that Tamara was doing it to irritate you? Do you want to think about that?

3:07Ben Mandelker: She left you out. Heather goes, no.

3:10Ronnie Karam: Heather goes, no, I don't think that. She's like, really? Because she did. She was totally doing it to annoy you. And she told her so many times that Heather's like, you know what? I am upset. That did hurt my feelings now.

3:22Ben Mandelker: Oh my gosh, you guys. Well, because earlier, Heather and actually, to be fair, earlier, Heather and Emily had had a lunch prior to the pub crawl where Heather said, I was literally just standing right there. And Tamara goes, come on, Jen, let's take a selfie. And I was like, did she not know I was standing right there? Like, why wouldn't you include me? But I think Heather was just like saying, wow, Tamara's so weird. Like, why would like it's so obnoxious that she did that. But now Emily has turned it into, do you think she was doing that on purpose to get back at you or something? And so now Heather is like saying to Emily, I was upset and I honestly hadn't considered if she was doing it to be rude to me.

4:00Ben Mandelker: I don't know. So now this is like an episode of Inception, like that happens right now. And now we're back in the limo in present time with Heather having told Jen that Emily was getting in her ear that Tamara took a selfie with Jen without Heather in order to have some sort of revenge at Heather for Heather saying that Tamara was in a box.

4:18Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. Did I feel left out in Tokyo? I did. I did. Am I asking myself questions like Shannon Bedore? I am. Am I worried about the Hantavirus? No, I'm rich. I'm protected. Well, do you feel like we're trying to make it a thing? And she's like, well, I don't know. Were they trying to make it a thing with you? She's like, I don't know. But Tamara's being so nice. I just now I don't know. Maybe Tamara is trying to make it a thing, but then they're trying to make it a thing. And I don't even know who's making it a thing. Who am I supposed to be mad at?

4:46Ben Mandelker: I love, by the way, if you take out the flashbacks, this is the order of the conversation. Heather's saying, some people have been telling me that they think Tamara's trying to lead me out on purpose. And then Jen says, do you feel like Gina and Emily were trying to make it a thing? She just said that.

5:05Ronnie Karam: Were they trying to make it a thing with you? Well, they were making me feel like I was a pawn. A pawn in Tamara's ploy to make a poke at you. Am I a pawn? What is a pawn? But why? Where am I? I'm not going to entertain.

5:18Ben Mandelker: I'm not going to even entertain that. Alfredo. No, that was not. She was not making a joke. Well, why are they making that? Why is that a thing? And Heather says, I think Tamara and I have been at odds back and forth all year because other people in the group are pushing us in and out of they're talking in our ears and it's annoying. I'm like, thank you. Thank you for finally acknowledging this. Can we please turn all the tables on Emily and Gina and show how shitty they are as friends and as cast members?

5:45Ronnie Karam: They've started everything, everything. They're like the Heather. They're the bad weather of this show. I mean, the beginning episode was Emily getting a purse on her birthday and being like, why would Carmella give me this purse? She's just trying to buy friendships. That's weird, right, Gina? She's like, yeah, that is weird. Gina said you were trying to buy my friendship. Yeah, but then Carmella's going to give Jen a job and give her all this money for what? She's just trying to buy friendships. And now they're like, oh my god, you should be so offended that people are being mean to you this whole season.

6:17Ronnie Karam: You guys turned everybody on her in the beginning.

6:21Ben Mandelker: I know, exactly. I just want mean Heather to come back. Like, Heather's been trying so hard to be, like, friendly and, like, hey, looking for a buddy. I'm like, please just scold these people. That's all I want from Heather because she does it so well. She starts to, but then they bring her right back down.

6:39Ronnie Karam: I'm like, she starts with Gina. She's like, I am so sick of this, Gina. And her eyes pop out. Gina's like, wah. And then she calms down right away.

6:47Ben Mandelker: It's like, she's almost there. She's almost there. Like, I felt like blood returned to my system when she did that. I was like, ah, yes. But anyway, now we go to the car with Emily and Carmella. And Emily's like, did you have a hard time finding a sky top? She's like, well, I ordered like 10 and like nothing arrived. I feel nervous. I was like, oh, you can't even get your sky top? come on Carmella yeah that's that's pretty bad and Emily's like well you need to be active today

7:15Ronnie Karam: and you need to come for Vicky and you need to show her you're not a fucking target okay you better do it you're gonna fight with Vicky right she's like um oh yeah I'm gonna cut her at the knees I am done being nice to Vicky Gumbelson oh here she comes Carmella's gonna give us something

7:32Ben Mandelker: Just you wait Vicky Gumbelson, just you wait So then, here we are At the club And Vicky Comes in, and Vicky's really self-conscious About the sky tops, cause Every time she sees someone She goes, yeah, I'm gonna go back in time I'm wearing my sky top with my brown pants, it's a costume I don't normally wear this It's back in time It's okay, Vicky

7:57Ronnie Karam: Well don't be insecure around me, it's me, Elizabeth Vargas

8:00Ben Mandelker: who would feel insecure around me, girls? Here they go. Unbelievable. Undeniable. I'm in a Skytop. The sky's the limit, girls. Let's get it.

8:12Ronnie Karam: So now we have a parade of housewives from over the year coming in and saying hi. They're like, oh my god, hi. We're in Skytops? Oh my god, you're in Skytops. That's crazy that we're in Skytops. Oh my god, I love a Skytop. Thank you so much for having me here at the Colorado Country Club. I'm in Skytop. And it's a good We're back Yeah, it's a good 15 minutes of that And Vicky's showing everyone Oh my god, look at me, Gita and I You see those houses over there, the chimneys? We live two doors down for them Is that great? Gita and I Gita lived one door down So she was, you know, Gita has never been poor There, I said it, I stood up for Gita

8:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I wish that actually our parade Of former housewives was a bit longer Like, if you're gonna do it, do it like there's no Tammy Knickerbocker. They mentioned Quinn. Where was Quinn? Although I think Quinn got the invite to the girls trip. I guess they didn't want to do too much of an overlap, but I would have really loved everyone. Bring everyone. Bring in even Peggy, what's her face? Sulahan or whatever. Like, you know, show us. They should have flown in Kimberly. They should have. Coco. No ball in house. No ball in house, Coco. You know? They should. And they had Gretchen last week, but bring her back this week.

9:27Ben Mandelker: I don't care. Bring them all. Let's live in the... Let's live in this and the legacy of this show, Bronwyn. But I guess the thing is that they did it with... It's sort of weird because they did it with Girls Trip and then Tamara had her party, which also brought back many of them. And then there was this party that brought back several of them. So they kind of have been like... It's been coming out in fits and spurts. And I would have liked just one big parade. like a big triumphant parade of the housewives yeah um this one you know i like seeing all the

10:03Ronnie Karam: people they brought back but it was kind of sad because you've got all of these people who've been on this show and literally nothing they can't make anything happen on this show and this begins the part where they start standing in semicircles like they did back in the beginning and staring at each other while the camera's there trying to come up with something to argue about and they just and it's mostly emily you know are we gonna fight about something okay here's what you're mad about here's what you're mad about why are you guys mad or the law and it's just

10:34Ben Mandelker: and there was peggy tannis she's like there's definitely some things i miss about being on real housewives of orange county i mean having all these dynamic women you're either gonna love each other you're gonna hate each other right i'm like what peggy tannis is really getting an outsize amount of attention between this and girl's trip i mean she made it into girl's trip thank you tennis yeah season six one hit wonder oh yeah god i will never forget her first thing

11:00Ronnie Karam: she's like i like machine guns and going to the shooting range with my husband she's like in a bikini top at the shooting range whatever she's good i can't believe she didn't last longer actually just from that one that first episode alone i think there was an issue actually wasn't

11:17Ben Mandelker: there i think was there like a mental health issue or was there a health issue that she was facing because she came back the next season as like a friend of but like i think there was a reason why

11:27Ronnie Karam: she had to step down i will look it up everyone it's time for a commercial it's time for a crap and commercial i'm sick of things stressing me out the other day i was running late nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

11:42Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about stress. Imagine performing a cabaret 10 times a week. Or learning a 17th language like French Peruvian.

11:51Ronnie Karam: Bon Gisissimo.

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12:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

12:14Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

12:26Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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13:23Ronnie Karam: so then um joe joe's there of course and um she's like oh my gosh all these sky tops are giving me flashbacks and uh she says remember kimberly bryant and the tennis lessons and gene is like yeah what was her uh tagline she had a tagline about implants or something and we see this tagline and that's so funny that the day back in the day where they weren't really taglines they were just snippets of whatever was going on in an episode and this is so funny it's like yeah 85 percent of women around here have had breast implants so i have breast implants because that's what you do around here you get breast implants you know when you want your boobies to be here you just get breast implants and that's how it is it's just it's just a statement

14:06Ben Mandelker: i got breast implants by the way peggy tannis and now remember and i i confirmed it online she left because she actually had postpartum and it was too much so I do remember that that was a big thing for her so that's the answer to why we didn't get another season with her hmm

14:26Ronnie Karam: okay so then they're talking about the old days and how Joe wore a maid costume that was hilarious and then Quinn came in with a guy 20 years younger and said this is my boyfriend and then we get the true star and the only person I really needed Linda Linda, Vicky's receptionist, Linda. I cheered. I didn't know we were going to get this.

14:49Ben Mandelker: I was so excited. I love Linda. I'd forgotten about Linda. And she shows up and she's just great. And Vicky's like, Linda's my right-hand man. I mean, who's answering the phones now? She's like, no one. Voicemail. So then Jen and Heather arrive and Brit and Gina, I feel like the producers said, you know, we don't want to have Kelly Dodd back, so let's get Brit. She'll stand in. And then Tamara and Teddy, and then finally Emily and Carmella. And so Vicky's assistant is like, are you okay? You look like you just saw a ghost when Carmella walked in. And she's like, well, I'm just going to get drunk.

15:26Ben Mandelker: Because, like, why not? Right? Why not?

15:30Ronnie Karam: So Peggy's trying to make small talk with Carmella, who really is, like, talking to Driftwood. Oh, my God. Peggy's like, so, you're one of the new girls. Yeah. Oh, well, that's fun. Yeah. so you like everyone yeah anyone that you don't like her it's like no oh my god it's painful this is supposed to be her big carmella de vil moment yeah so vicky comes by she goes hey carmella

15:58Ben Mandelker: thanks for coming out to kato how are you she's like i'm good how are you i'm good i'm good and then vicky just walks off peggy's like well that was interesting and carmella's like yeah it's been fun. It's been fun. After I heard of all the things that she just said, like, what? What do you mean, welcome to Kodo? That's batshit crazy. She's the host of the party, and she said hello to you. It's, like, not that crazy.

16:24Ronnie Karam: So, Shannon comes in with her boobs all up on a shelf, and everyone's like, oh my god, look at Shannon's boobies. And Gina's like, whoa, Shannon's rack walks in before she did. You know what I want to ask that, have you considered estate planning? It's important when you're at the show.

16:41Ben Mandelker: I feel like kneading bread is something. I will say the term kneading bread has never been uttered on this show. No one wants to go near that. And then Emily is like, yeah, that's a huge diss on this show. But you're associating me with bread? How dare you, Tamara? We worked so hard on our relationship. Emily is like, so is this look because you met a man at a bar she goes well he texted me and asked me out tonight and i just said no and they're like why why did you do that well i mean i because it's just i was you know i was i was very close to a vehicle today and that exhaust went right into me and i just i gotta get the toxins out so i'm gonna stay home i'm gonna put myself in a bath full of seaweed and uh peppermint and hopefully by the end of the day i will be uh unpoisoned thank you it is very

17:31Ronnie Karam: difficult to be turned on by a man who doesn't care about the hantavirus there i said it it's a real boner killer so teddy's like why don't you go you don't have anything to do tonight well i just i picked up my dog from the hospital teddy so thank you very much i'm very exhausted

17:50Ben Mandelker: and so everyone's like oh yeah okay we'll leave we'll leave it at that so then emily is like hey hey, Vicky, are you glad that Carmela's here? She's like, I'm fine. Are you fine? Well, I didn't say, are you fine? I said, are you glad? She's like, I'm so glad. Oh, that sounds sarcastic. You know, you say you don't want any toxicity in your life, but then you say really nice things about her. And Vicky's like, I mean, I don't trust her. And that's okay. It's okay for me to not trust her. It's okay. But then you say that you don't trust someone or you don't like someone. And then you need to explain the reason.

18:23Ronnie Karam: I'm like, oh my God. No, I don't. I don't need to explain anything. I don't. I don't. I'm not going to explain it. I just don't. I don't want to be friends with her. No. Now leave me alone.

18:33Ben Mandelker: I asked you a question, though. Vicky looks at the camera like, please get this gnat away from me.

18:41Ronnie Karam: She doesn't want to engage. But that's not an option when you say things about people. Oh, for Christ's sake. You started the whole fight between everybody and Carmella in the first place, Emily. Just get off of it. And so Vicky's, you know, like, oh, my God. This has nothing to do with you, Emily. And it is annoying. For Christ's sake. My God, when you're making me take Vicky's side, you know you're really fucked, Emily. Jeez.

19:05Ben Mandelker: I know. Seriously. So Heather goes up to Shannon. She's like, so, Shannon, what did the guy text you? Was he like, loved hanging? It was cool that you're friends with that sitcom star from the television. She goes, well, he said I'll be home next Sunday and I'll call you then. Oh, and how about Tuesday? Look at me, fun girlfriend. Maybe we can be buddies.

19:29Ronnie Karam: Well, you said you were going to DM the other guy. I don't know which one I'm talking about. Short circuit! Oh, Steve Guttenberg!

19:39Ben Mandelker: Oh my god, I forgot to DM Steve Guttenberg. Oh my god, Gina, you were supposed to do that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

19:46Ronnie Karam: Gina has a Steve Guttenberg in? Did we learn this already?

19:50Ben Mandelker: I think they're just like... I'm just assuming they're like, well, we have stars and we have blue check marks and we're on Instagram and we're famous, so we could probably just DM. I think it's probably celebrity privilege that you can message other celebrities and get a response.

20:07Ronnie Karam: So Heather's like, oh, I will get out my telephone. Well, you're going to message him too? Yes. I can get right into that. Right into the goot. We're actors. We're basically family.

20:20Ben Mandelker: Okay, here is my text. Hello, this is television's Heather Dubrow. You may remember me from a CBS sitcom called That's Life or various TV land sitcoms where I was much better than Wendy Malick and Betty White and Reba McAdier. I have a good friend who I think is perfect for you. Let me know if you're interested in meeting her. If it's more comfortable, my husband, Dr. Terry Dubrow, who you might want to see at some point, we can both double with you. We actually met 30 years ago on a blind date. That was a double date. So, no pressure, but you may be meeting your new wife, Shannon Bedore, with me, Heather Dubrow, and Dr.

20:55Ben Mandelker: Terry Dubrow.

20:59Ronnie Karam: Wow, okay now, Gina, your turn. I just wrote, don't answer Heather's message. She's trying to swing with you.

21:06Ben Mandelker: That is so funny. That is funny. Oh, I love being part of the in-group. That's great.

21:18Ronnie Karam: Listen, I'm someone who understands comedy I wore a t-shirt that said, yes, it's me Thank you, Alfredo So Jenna's son, Colton, comes And they're like, oh my god, Colton, he's so old I can't believe it, what a big boy And he's like, yeah, remember me, I had a golf cart They're like, wow

21:39Ben Mandelker: Gina, how old is Colton? He is 32 and he just he's following in his brother's footsteps of being obnoxious to someone in his life, just someone, anyone hey, would that be okay for Teddy? she wants to date him, Teddy, you want to date Colton? she's like, oh hi, I'm Teddy, I said be cool okay, be cool, be cool, okay so Vicky turns to Linda and says Linda, do you want a chair? because Linda's standing up against the high top and Linda's like, no! she's like, are you sure? and then tam is like what's wrong with the chair and she's like you should sit down she's like i don't want to sit down i don't want to sit down tamra goes she is sitting down you guys and teddy's

22:22Ronnie Karam: like oh no way that lady is standing wait you're standing up she's like i'm short okay fuck you

22:29Ben Mandelker: guys teddy is actually being quite mean being like wait you're actually standing right now She's like, what do you want me to do? I'm short. I'm a little old lady.

22:41Ronnie Karam: I was ready for Linda to just rip them a new one. But she kept it together. So they start talking. Tamara's like, oh, my God, Vicky, you need to start squashing it. I'm like, no, I don't want to squash it. Leave it alone. Teddy's like, yo, but you say you don't care. So maybe you care a little bit because you say you don't care. So maybe you do care. We're going to talk about this on our podcast. And it's going to be as exciting as it is right now.

23:09Ben Mandelker: I'm going to get dessert. Okay. You guys can just stay here and like talk to hot Colton. Okay. Cause like you want dessert and we want to get dessert. I'm going to get dessert. I'm going to get dessert. So then Tamara goes back to Carmela and she's like, well, that's right. Everything that I could do to reconcile you guys. So Carmela says, should I go? Should I like, should I drop the, drop the hammer on her? Is it time guys? Should I have my big pirate? Do it.

23:30Ronnie Karam: You got this. We believe in you. Go tell Vicky off. Oh yeah. Well, Carmella's been gracious and kind And now you've summoned Cruella de Vil So watch out, Vicky Watch out, here she comes Hide your puppies So Carmella's like, hi, Vicky Thanks so much for having me a little barney

23:48Ben Mandelker: Everyone's uncomfortable I'm good, I mean, I'm not uncomfortable Are you uncomfortable? I'm not uncomfortable Well, I'm all for one I mean, I was uncomfortable Why? But, like, you're in my hood Like, you're in my home, you're in my place

24:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but, like, you said you're sorry to me and then I tried to move forward, but then I really couldn't move forward.

24:06Ben Mandelker: But I moved forward. Okay, I don't even talk about you. I moved forward. I moved forward.

24:10Ronnie Karam: Okay, I think I'm going to go help because this scene looks really boring. Does anybody else want to help in this private conversation? Okay, come on, Heather. I will check in. You talked about it the other night at dinner, Heather. I mean, no, I'm sorry. You talked about it the other night at dinner, Vicky.

24:26Ben Mandelker: I also, hello, I am here because even Trash needs a representative. Okay, continue your discussion

24:33Ronnie Karam: Well, we were talking about something that came up That's why I was talking about it at dinner Oh, yeah, but I don't I just think that neither one of you guys should ever talk about each other again Okay, there's something

24:44Ben Mandelker: Agreed And so Tamara says So, she's like So what can we do to get you guys to some common ground? Well, I just, you know, we just agreed She's like, not talk to each other Talked about each other Yeah, and if you don't have anything kind to say about me Just like, don't say anything at all Likewise

25:03Ronnie Karam: That was well Carmella You've just earned another 10 season

25:08Ben Mandelker: Put her in the hall of fame Next girl's trip we're putting Carmella in there

25:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah and she's like Well I mean I don't want to be friends with Vicky Anyway I mean there's a vast Age difference let's not Kid ourselves So get a little age Shaming there on her way out So then Vicky goes inside And Vicky's talking to Shannon and chugging a drink. And Shannon's like, oh, now Vicky's here! So they're talking to Carmella about the after effects of this non-scene she just had. And she's like, well, I guess I feel good now. That was great.

25:46Ben Mandelker: You mean when you walked up to Vicky and said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all? And then that was it? Great. I'm glad you feel better. Yeah. So now Jen tries. Yeah, now Jen turns to Tamara and she's like, can I tell you something? Thank you so much for letting me tell you something. Well, when we left Tokyo, I met with Emily and Gina, and I asked them, I said, I feel uncomfortable. How did we go from, like, for three years, Tamara couldn't stand beside me, to now we're in Tokyo, and now we share a room. And I want to know, is that genuine or not? And if it's not, is that okay?

26:17Ben Mandelker: Why did you go to Emily and Gina to ask them if your experience with Tamara was genuine?

26:24Ronnie Karam: because emily and gina were the ones saying do you think it was genuine or you think she was trying to use you to get mad at her so tamar's like why would i ever try to talk to somebody that's not genuine i'm tamar genuine tamar everybody knows everything i do is for a good reason

26:44Ben Mandelker: so uh so jen's like well you know just you know emily conveyed that like possibly that like we were close because maybe you're trying to take pokes at Heather. And Heather is like, Emily said to me, do you think Tamara took a picture with her to poke at you? And I go, no. And then Tamara's like, well, that's fucking shit, Sarah. So Tamara is not like the queen of that. Yes. But Tamara's very like,

27:11Ronnie Karam: I'm a good person this season and I'm not going to fight with nobody, okay? They're just trying to piss off everybody and I'm not going to have it, okay? Why can't they just say i'm glad because tamara and june are getting along i don't get it yeah you shouldn't

27:25Ben Mandelker: question what's going on with me and you yeah and i like to think that like i'm a self-aware person and i'm starting to lol insert laugh that's it yeah the the self-aware person and i'm starting to realize no don't yeah i'm starting to realize i sabotage things that matter and it's like okay i'm just gonna like self-protect i mean like the other night i was cooking some mama Cecilia pizza and I burned it and I realized like I just ruined dinner and dinner matters to me and I just sabotaged dinner in that moment just like so much is happening

27:57Ronnie Karam: I get it I'm sorry go ahead

28:02Ben Mandelker: I just used the wrong name for the pizza I called it Mama Cecilia I think it's Mama Celeste or Aunt Celeste Celeste, here's the thing now I've ruined my relationship with Celeste because I can't even remember what her relationship is with me

28:16Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, let me give you a handbook of a helper. Okay. I think that as far as me and you, I love you, Jen. I mean, look at that. We're both blonde ladies. We're both in Orange County. We're both like gyms. I mean, you even slept outside of one for like a year while you were cheating on your husband. And I really like Ryan. I mean, look at Ryan. You guys have such a good relationship. Send this penis to everybody. I never said anything bad about it. I just said, what a nice penis. And everybody's getting in their DMs. We're friends. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, okay? Stupid.

28:50Ben Mandelker: I don't want to sabotage this moment with you, Tamara, because it's a beautiful moment. But in my desire to make sure that I don't name Mama Celeste Aunt Celeste or Mama Cecilia by accident, I just looked up Mama Celeste on the internet. And I found out that in this month, October 2026, ConAgra Foods officially discontinued Mama Celeste Pizza. What are the odds? Did I randomly bring up Mama Celeste? But it was just discontinued. Why? Why are we losing everything? Mama Celeste.

29:25Ronnie Karam: The Carmela of the pasta sauces. So this was a non-fight. Another one. They keep trying. So Emily's going to try again. So she is making small talk with Gina about the lawyer to finish up her season. Oh, I guess this isn't Emily. So I see Emily and I'm like, well, Emily's going to try to start a fight. She's just asking Travis about the lawyer. And Gina's like, I want to do this a small way. And Shannon's like, oh, does this mean that you're going to approach the date for a wedding? Oh.

29:57Ben Mandelker: And Shannon says, I just think you cannot put a price on a memory. You need to have a big shindig. And you know what? I could help. I'm available. Have a big wedding. So that way, when your husband cheats on you, you can say, remember the vows that we took? Look, of course you remember them, because it was a big day. A lot of people were there. You can't forget it. But I guess you forgot your vows. I guess you forgot things. Anyway, 30 to 40 positive thoughts. Oh, 30 to 40 positive thoughts. Yes.

30:26Ronnie Karam: Well, thank you for the offer and the breakdown, Shannon. But we're going to go sit with a wedding planner, because Travis really wants a big celebration. He doesn't think the kids need any privacy until they're 26.

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32:58Ronnie Karam: Now they're asking you to show up for real. Make a gift today at plannedparenthood.org slash defend. Then go tell the group chat about it. So now Jen comes to Gina. She's like, you guys have a question. Were you being assholes when I came to you and I genuinely asked you guys, maybe Tamara was taking pictures with me to poke fun at or to poke at Heather? What do you mean? What are we being assholes about? What do you mean?

33:25Ben Mandelker: because we were joking around with you. It's like, but like, did you take it back to everyone to make Tamara feel like I was being a dick? She's like, listen, Jen, let me tell you something. Anytime I relate that to anyone else, I said it in a way where I was supporting you and saying that you just felt uncomfortable. So if it got twisted in some way, then I'm pissed. Oh God. Well, you do have Tamara who is an unreliable narrator and then you have Emily who is an unreliable everything. And so now You are the twister

33:57Ronnie Karam: You are the twister Okay, you're starring Helen Hunt For fuck's sake So Tamara comes over and she's like Oh, look at this picture on the phone, okay This is the picture in question that you said I was being mean about taking the chin That's the one, I see it Okay, look at that, that was it 618 in Japan, okay And then at 618 Not even one minute later, I take one with you In Japan as well, so what the fuck are you selling at that?

34:23Ben Mandelker: This is, see, look at that Look, isn't that crazy I took a picture with you in the same minute that I took a picture of John This is almost crazier than invoking Mama Celeste In the very moment that Mama Celeste was cancelled So Heather goes, what? It was, it was, it was this It was like, Jen, and I was there and you pushed me out of the way Come take a selfie with me And you pulled her into the thing But then I did it with you at 6.13 But I had 15 seconds where I didn't know if you would I felt alone for 15 seconds. Me, television's Heather Dubrow and the busiest intersection in the entire world, Shibuya Crossing, feeling more lonely than Wendy Malick, looking at her voicemails.

35:02Ronnie Karam: It gave me 15 seconds to think, wow, Tamara has never handwritten a card to my son.

35:12Ben Mandelker: Vicky's like, why are you guys yelling? Heather goes, I'm just telling you how I felt in that moment. End of story. But I don't understand. What happened in the situation where I was just saying that Jen felt uncomfortable that got into... Well, because they said that you were questioning and that Jen and Tamara did a picture of Boca deather.

35:32Ronnie Karam: I'm trying to speak to you, Emily. Jesus Christ. Yeah, you were saying, did you think Tamara did that on purpose? I did that because I could tell she was irritated and that's why I asked her in the first play. I wasn't irritated. I was upset. What the fuck is the difference?

35:47Ben Mandelker: You guys, come on. Okay, this is so silly. Okay. be classy okay now let's get back to our sky top party so gina's like i think that heather just feels left out but the reality is it's like kind of being like you're like the fanciest shiniest kid in the sandbox and nobody wants to be friends with you like and then she laughs i was like that was so mean that was so mean and like gina is the one gina and emily have had multiple times feelings of feeling feeling left out and then for them to be so callous be like whatever like no one likes you oh well just like they're so they're so rude yeah gina sucks um and heather's

36:25Ronnie Karam: like it made me feel bad and listen i'm feeling things can't we just celebrate that me heather

36:31Ben Mandelker: feeling also by the way if you think that heather really cares about wanting to like be friends with like the group like that like you're sorely mistaken i think heather like cares about being, she does feel left out of the Trace Amicus thing, she has this weird fourth wheel because she has history with them. But truthfully, Heather has an entire world of rich friends up in Beverly Hills, and she comes down and she slums it here in Cota de Caza in the Sky Tops party. You know, she makes her TV or whatever. She does not inherently care that much about getting in good with Gina and Emily.

37:08Ronnie Karam: That's why they're mean to her. And they've always said that, you know, like Heather acts like she's better than everybody else and heather does act like she's better than everybody else and frankly i mean with this with this crew you know i'm not against her but they've just learned to like accept heather i mean anybody else who didn't who doesn't even live there and who just keeps driving you know being driven rather two two and a half hours three hours each way to just shoot scenes they would get eaten alive but they you know they kind of let heather slide with it because heather's pretty popular with the audience but they're still haters yeah it is sort of funny what i'm what

37:45Ben Mandelker: i'm arguing it's i'm arguing on the one hand i'm like don't be so mean about like her not fitting in like you know what it's like to not fit in and then i'm like she doesn't even want to fit in with you guys so shut up yeah it's sort of contradictory but whatever i take all sides of my argument

38:03Ronnie Karam: yeah but happy yeah but at least we're not pretending to be something else other than the bitches we are. You know, Emily pretends to be your friend. Emily and Gina pretend to be your friends, and they're just not, they never are. They're just laughing at you the whole time. Like, Heather hasn't done anything mean to Gina. She's never said anything mean about Gina. The worst thing she did was say, oh, Gina, I'm worried about her spending so much money.

38:29Ben Mandelker: Well, Heather has a really good read for Gina that we saw in the reunion preview at the end of the episode, and that makes me very happy. I'm looking forward to that. So Emily says, if she would just stop talking about being on an island, you know, or being buddies and just integrate and just talk and chat and be friendly, then that's how you establish friendships. Like, just be fucking normal. I mean, like Emily, who cried about feeling isolated away from the group when she was put in slacks. So Emily is like, like, are we good? Gina's like, no, I want to talk to Heather for a minute. So Heather's like, oh, God, OK, here we go.

39:03Ronnie Karam: So Gina pulls out. Yeah, here's another attempt to save this season finale. That's not going to work. Okay, Heather. Like, you were saying you're sensitive, and we should be sensitive to you. But what about me? Because, like, you were making fun of me, like, being poor, and I've never been poor. And you conveyed my real estate, Chris. Like, I didn't, and I'm so sick of this conversation, Gina. I did not do it. That was Tamara who did it. And for some reason, this is all falling on me. That's me. Yes, that's me.

39:33Ben Mandelker: You didn't say anything about the fact that when you were an actress and you were first an actress that there was like actresses that first got gigs and they spent money and that's like what it reminds you of. She was like, yes, I did. But what I said wasn't bad. But like what you're saying isn't nice to say that because like I don't want to be looked at as the person who like gets the first dollar in the bank and then runs out and buys a Mercedes. Like that's not what it is. You know, like I've been grinding for a decade. I'm like somebody who for the past like 10 years has had to completely and financially take care of myself and children by myself.

40:04Ben Mandelker: Like, that's fine. That has nothing to do with what Heather was saying. I'm sorry.

40:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's saying it's so unfair to criticize somebody's finances when you've grown up with wealth and she doesn't get it. And she was never a single mother. And with three very small children, she didn't do that. I did that. Which I get that. And I don't take away anything from Gina from what she's saying. because she really did do that, and she was really strong in all of that. But Heather didn't come for you in this bad of a way. No one's coming for you for the kind of mother you are or anything else. They're saying you're spending money too fast, and you are. We all see it, Gina. You literally just had a conversation about having a wedding over giving your children who've been sharing a bedroom since they were babies any space, because you would rather spend the money on the attention.

40:51Ronnie Karam: Gina, you're guilty. Just listen to everybody else.

40:55Ben Mandelker: guilty no it's true i mean it's outrageous because gina was buying a lot in japan and so her friends were like oh i hope everything's okay because you know like and heather is like yeah because i've seen this happen before and it's not an indictment on gina it's just like heather is like sharing why it sets off some red flags for her and gina gets so defensive um you know i mean I think the last time we saw someone do this, I believe it was Dorit Kemsley. And so, like, she just needs to take a chill pill, okay? So, she's just hearing it, Heather. So hard.

41:33Ronnie Karam: But they're, you know, they're trying, because it's the season finale, and I get it. It's just a whole season that there's been nothing, and like, what are you going to do? You know? But she's trying it, and she got in there like, I'm a mother who's raised my children. So, all right, you know.

41:47Ben Mandelker: And then she has the audacity to say, even right now how aggressive you're getting at me is hurtful to me and i have a right to my opinion and bring things up like this you're the one getting aggressive and why do you have a right to an opinion but heather does does not have a right to an opinion over some idle chatter at a

42:05Ronnie Karam: store get out of here get out of here yeah so heather's like you have no idea how hard i have worked in my life i have done summer stock oh okay okay well basically this is all I'm like, I have a right to my opinion Have on my feelings She's like, yes, you do, but the fact is Tamara did it So Tamara comes over and says I'm going to take a selfie, everybody She's like, well, I don't want to take selfies right now Oh, it's me, Heather Dubrow She smiles for the selfie And Tamara's like, oh, just take the fucking selfie What'd you say about my real estate business I didn't say anything

42:44Ben Mandelker: She was telling me That what I said was fucked up to her In the story about actors And I said, well, why are you not mad at Tamara, who is talking about actual real estate? I say you're still throwing me under the best of brood. Heather's like, this was a group discussion that Tamara brought up, and Gina's only upset with me. Tamara's like, did I say, yeah, real estate's up and down and be smart with your money? Yeah, I did. Something wrong with that, mister? Because it's a lie. Because am I making anything up? I don't think so.

43:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you have to understand, Tina. You know, we're just older than you, so we understand stuff more than you do. It's like, yeah, we're just sharing experiences, okay? You try being in the background of my fair lady in the middle of August, okay? And he's like, well, but, you know, like, you see how a man hurts me? Because, like, you discredit me. And I just, like, sold a condo to old people last year.

43:40Ben Mandelker: Nobody was discrediting you. You have to have credit first to be discredited, okay? I mean, you walked out of that fucking street with out of that fucking store with 75 fucking bags. Yeah. And it was so much fun. Right. I put some of them in my mini backpack. It was like awesome.

43:58Ronnie Karam: So they all make up. And now Shannon wackily takes her bra off and everybody's cracking up. And she's like, well, my boobs are uneven. This cup is bigger than that cup. Oh, gosh. By the way, Tamara, I'm sorry for any hurt that I may have caused you this season. Shannon, we like sisters I'm so sorry and you don't need to say nothing to me because you know me I just got suffering when Shannon apologized to me and then we see updates

44:28Ben Mandelker: despite opening herself up to dating the Duchess is still looking for her duke Steve Gutenberg never reached out but her friends have swooped in except Tamra

44:38Ronnie Karam: what does that mean? her friends have swooped in except Tamra

44:43Ben Mandelker: uh Uh, I don't, maybe they have rallied around her. I'm not sure. And then Tamara is like, That's the last year I've had so alone in her. But it was like a different experience for me this year. But to be around this group of girls that you know they will have you back, it's a pretty magical thing to have in your life.

45:03Ronnie Karam: Tamara's update is that the nest is empty, but it's anything but quiet. She recently adopted a puppy, and it's already talked to her more than one week than Eddie has in 10 years. She's the only bitch Tamara can tolerate.

45:17Ben Mandelker: And this puppy is so cute. Really cute. And then Emily update is that she and Heather have barely spoken since filming ended and that her marriage with Shane is going strong with the help of a therapist and more frequent steak dinners.

45:31Ronnie Karam: Jen's is that she's done so many exy fit videos, sexy fit, sexy fit, ski fit, and plans to launch our platform in October. And Tim and Brian have finally circled a wedding date and it's going to be a tropical event with plenty of low-hanging fruit. Thank you guys so much for reminding me of it. That was funny. That was good.

45:51Ben Mandelker: It was funny. That's funny. Heather's is Heather and her mom continue to unpack their relationship. She still plans to compartmentalize her friends, but this time the boxes will be monogrammed and wrapped in a bow. In a bow, Alfredo. In a bow. Thank you. Thank you.

46:10Ronnie Karam: Gina and Travis continue to pour everything into their business. There's no wedding date, but they're drafting a prenup, and Gina will get 100 % of her mini backpacks. Oh, my God. They're killing it. Carmella. Carmella. Does Carmella get one? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she does. Presley's away at college. Carmella's home got smaller. She continues to invest, but her relationship with Danny has gone bust. This time for good, you guys. Yeah.

46:38Ben Mandelker: it's real we're gonna end the season and then vicky gives a little um a little monologue about how it's amazing all these years that have come by and i actually do think it's amazing we spent 20 years with these women it's crazy we've seen so much happen you see these flashbacks it's just it's wild to think what we have consumed and like have like it's like in our lives and she thanks everyone and then the vicky update is you know she vicky isn't sure if mike will drop down on one knee to give her a ring. She's just happy she can bend hers again because she recently had full knee replacement and is getting back on her feet.

47:12Ben Mandelker: And then she goes, woohoo! And it ends.

47:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Wow. What a season. It ended with a knee surgery.

47:20Ben Mandelker: And a very sad woohoo. Well, there you go. Yeah. Very sad woohoo. Well, you know, I still

47:29Ronnie Karam: love my orange canning, but this is rough. Yeah, they just need to suck it back.

47:34Ben Mandelker: It's like sports. Sometimes you have a championship season And sometimes you have a bad record And you just gotta rebuild Sometimes you have a wampian-ship season

47:44Ronnie Karam: Wampian-ship season But guess what? We've got probably five reunions to go Watch Don't worry, there's still a month left of Orange County, everybody

47:54Ben Mandelker: And they usually do a good reunion I will say, Orange County has had some dud seasons And they always save it with a reunion So I guess that's something to look forward to

48:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. Have a great weekend. Don't forget to ticket. Don't forget to get tickets to Philadelphia, where we will be recapping Real Housewives of New York first time with the new cast and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in D.C. And then we'll be in Texas, Austin, Houston and Dallas the following week. So go to WatchWhatCroppins.com and get your tickets and we'll talk to you later. Bye.

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