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1:45Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Bravo. It's crappy hour. What about that? I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? Good. I was trying to turn off the fan to make less noise, but I reversed it. Now I know. The fan making noise in the reverse direction.

2:10Ben Mandelker: So much noise. Just kidding. I don't hear anything.

2:13Ronnie Karam: Turn off. Oh, my God.

2:15Ben Mandelker: Beautiful lighting in your room, though, right now tonight. Look at that. It's gorgeous.

2:19Ronnie Karam: It's because now it is deep into the fall, almost the winter, and so it's dark outside, so i get my gorgeous phillips use lighting behind me it's always like this it's just you never see

2:31Ben Mandelker: it in the daytime yeah okay well you know daylight savings time is over is that fascinating

2:38Ronnie Karam: it is well welcome to the show everybody we are on tour this week we are in philadelphia on thursday to recap real housewives of new york first time with the new cast newish cast well It's not really new, but for us it's new. And then on Saturday, we're in Washington, D.C. To recap Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And then we're on a Texas trip the very next week. Austin, Dallas, Houston. So go to WatchItCrapins.com for tickets, everybody. What's on your mind today, man?

3:15Ben Mandelker: I just want to say, I'm going to do an IG Live Wednesday night from Philadelphia. I'm saying that right now. I'm going to tell you all who wins in the giant online debate known as Brown vs. Plaid, aka the shirt that I'm going to wear on Thursday. So I'll go on IG and I'll talk about that. But also, if anyone wants to shoot the shit, I'm going to have a night before. And Ronnie, of course, it wouldn't be the same without you.

3:43Ronnie Karam: I wouldn't want to intrude on your Brown vs. Plaid celebration. I'm just going to be dinner by myself.

3:50Ben Mandelker: no it would be after dinner of course i'm just dinner first and thursday yeah oh no philadelphia no no that's not true i don't i don't know what i'm doing either way either way i'm gonna do an ig live um i guess i should set a time i don't know just keep an eye out for it and then um the other thing is i just told everyone on our ig to uh do jessel confused face because i just was looking at a video of her today she's just so funny when she's confused she's like like the way she looks bad left and right it is so funny to me so um you know i encourage everyone please uh give me your best jessel face jessel face um anyway dude it looks like i'm being a

4:32Ronnie Karam: jerk to you but i was just trying to think of what is a jessel face that's just a face

4:38Ben Mandelker: staring off into the distance i know um just also funny uh anyway bravo news there's a big there's a big headline that just from the past over the weekend that just dropped, which is that, um, that Leah McSweeney and Andy and Bravo that settled their, their lawsuit. It's done. It's been a long one. The reality reckoning is officially over. That's more like the reality, reality settlement.

5:07Ronnie Karam: Reality settlement thing. Uh, Andy Cohen, this is from page six, Andy Cohen and Bravo have settled a landmark lawsuit with Leah McSweeney. avoiding what would have been the network's first courtroom trial against a cast member wait first courtroom trial against a cast member well i thought it was yeah that's bravo phrasing bravo would be yeah i don't know god i'm sorry no i don't know alcohol addiction and attempted to get her to fall off the wagon because they believe she draw better ratings if she were drunk well i mean i don't think you would have drawn better ratings if you were drunk that show was kind of tanking anyway but lee is an asshole

5:54Ronnie Karam: still an asshole all these years later this really feels like it's been going on forever

6:00Ben Mandelker: i know it is i know it's like um it's just it's it's so amazing with leah mcsweeney when she first arrived everyone was saying like oh my god she's like god skip to roney people were just like praising her they were saying whoa like leah mcsweeney she was just like the bell of the ball she was also like a drunk man she was off the wagon and she was she was crazy but the people the reason why i think we all liked her is not because oh my god isn't it amazing that she fell off the wagon it's that like she was a particularly crazy brand of a drunk like she did crazy crazy things but they were also like very funny and um i don't know i just feel like uh and then when she when she decided that she wanted to go back to sobriety, which is probably best for her, you know, what was revealed was kind of like a bratty, like unpleasant persona.

6:54Ben Mandelker: Like that's, that was like what we didn't, we were distracted from that. And I still think she would have been a great housewife. I mean, she had that season on Girls Trip where she was sober and she was just like all over the place. And like, she could have been one of our great chaotic housewives but um i don't know it's like unfortunate it's it's the chaotic housewives like this that will often you know start to lash out and say things like probably maybe do this probably maybe do that and i don't know i just i'm like you're an adult you're an adult ultimately you're an adult and we are sitting through so many sobriety storylines as it is that i'm i just don't feel like like bravo fully like it's fully to blame on something like this like like there are a lot of people who are going on sober journeys on bravo so if you wanted to do it i think i think

7:45Ronnie Karam: the network could would have supported you well the um well she said that they they told her she could go to aa but then when she was there they said no you can't go to aa right now i mean there was a whole list we've been talking about this for years i imagine it would be really difficult staying sober on that cast. I mean, my God, the Real Housewives of New York. I mean, right now they're doing their E version, The Golden Life, which we're recapping, of course. And Sonia's going around there saying she's sober. And people are like, oh, really, Sonia, you liar. Now they're fighting about whether or not she really is sober.

8:21Ronnie Karam: And then there was so much discussion when they were on, when it was the OG cast of, well, not the OG, but you know what I mean, the classic cast of New York about who's a drunk and who's not. And you and John, what are you and John blowing some rails back there? It's like, how dare you? So it's always been such a part of the show. Oh, alcoholism. It's another character on Real Housewives of New York. So it's weird that a character is suing another character.

8:48Ben Mandelker: Look, I'm not going to say there wasn't pressure. I'm sure there was peer pressure from the cast. I'm sure there were a lot of producers that said little things like, oh man, Like, you're great, but when you were drunk, you know, man, those were some crazy episodes. You probably heard little comments and maybe even some big comments here and there. But I ultimately just feel like you're an adult. You're not, like, 16 and you're at the party and people are like, you got a drink. You got a drink to fit in. I don't know. I just feel like at a certain point, like, you didn't have to drink if you didn't want to.

9:23Ben Mandelker: I don't know. That may be too facile to say that, especially if you do have an addiction. It may be too simple to be like, well, then just stop. I understand that. But I don't know. There's something.

9:32Ronnie Karam: Well, no, I mean, look, it's never that simple with an addiction to just be like, you know, just get over it, which I don't think you're saying. But it's also your addiction is your responsibility. It's not necessarily everybody else's. But I don't know. Maybe they who knows? I mean, with this cast, I mean, you've got Ramona there like, whoa, no, what? what phone would you drink i wouldn't i wouldn't doubt that they said that but this isn't really

9:58Ben Mandelker: against the cast it's the producers yeah yeah i just um you know what it's more like if she came out with like a tell-all afterwards and said you know what that was the most toxic environment all i wanted was for me to drink i had to get myself out of there i'd be like oh i totally get it like for sure but i think it's like the act of like her suing the network i'm just like really i'm like you like i don't know i just it just seems a bit crazy to me so i mean now that now they've settled we'll never get to the bottom of it but i guess i don't even want to get to the bottom of it i'm like i watch bravo this is like there's so much this on bravo i'm not like shocked by any of this and i just i'm like i don't know there's i don't know i just have this mindset like you

10:38Ronnie Karam: should know what you were getting into yeah colleen in the comment is pointing out that Ray just said to Karen Huger, maybe a drunk Karen is more fun. Like, you have to admit, a drunk Karen is more fun. And we talked about that on the Potomac recap about, you know, when you do sober up. Listen, my friends were like, you're not as fun. And at some point I had to say, you're right. I'm not. And you're not as fun either when I'm sober. So what does that say? You know, it's kind of a readjustment for all of us, I guess.

11:11Ben Mandelker: But with the Ray situation What's bad about that is that you're saying that to your wife Like it's one thing for a co-worker to say something like Or someone from Brava to say that to you It's like maybe never appropriate I suppose I mean I literally am just saying like Leah was more fun when she was drunk But when you're like supposed to be a life partner to someone You don't say that You don't say that Ray

11:37Ronnie Karam: Well especially the way Ray was saying it He's like, I mean, basically Ray was saying, you thought I was much hotter when you were drunk. So I like that. You know? Like, geez. Yeah. You need to have the beer goggles. Or my sex life is affected. Like, my sex life is affected because I'm not as hot when you're not drunk. Like, what the hell, Ray? No.

12:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I don't know. There's also something about, like, Leah settling that's so funny to me. I mean, I know this is what happens. right like you put me in a toxic environment this caused great harm to my life i deserve some compensation but like when it's wrapped up in this crusading element of um these shows are dangerous to everyone there's a reality reckoning we gotta change this this is not right what's happening it's like oh but here's some money oh never mind okay bye everyone bye it's like okay so what were you really like standing for were you did you were you really taking a stand about this or you just you just wanted your payday and of course it was a payday getting your payday

12:39Ronnie Karam: of course yeah well that is now done and dead thank god i feel like we've been talking about that the whole 15 years we've been doing this show yes the reckoning is over yeah leah's this lawsuit lasted a lot longer than leah did on the real housewives of new york so there you go it did actually it did it did outlast leah oh uh so what else the lawsuit was more entertaining than leah and we didn't even get the lawsuit so i don't know uh let's see someone in the comment in the comments is saying let's talk about andy shading candace so did you see this this was out of the um bravo fan fest in charleston there were a bunch of clips that came out of that and one of them was a question to Andy, who of the housewives have actually been fired?

13:33Ronnie Karam: And Portia was answering and saying, I mean, it's basically, he said Caroline Manzo and na-na-na and then Portia got shady and was like, oh, what about Candace, right, Candace? And then everyone started groaning. So basically he was saying, yeah, Candace got fired.

13:50Ben Mandelker: Got fired. Right, because the question was like, who left on their own terms? And he said, like, Caroline and like maybe one or two others but then um yeah then like when it came it's like what about candace though it's like he's like yeah i forgot what he said but he just kind of was like uh-huh uh well you know candace i forget what he said that he's he just

14:12Ronnie Karam: was portia was being portia was being shady with it because she doesn't like candace you know so he's just like well and then the audience groaned that was taken as a huge stab to candace but also all the other wives who have claimed that they quit which is all of them pretty much like 90 of them it's very rare that someone's like i got fired you know right like tamra tamra's one who got fired and will never let you forget it it's like but you've hired me but usually they're like i quit it was time to spend time with my family you know like the politician answer yeah i'll have a voting day everybody yeah everyone go out and vote tomorrow

14:56Ben Mandelker: make sure you do it and don't let anything stop you um did tinsley unless you're not voting the way i want to by the way which case okay um yeah yeah uh dynasty uh marathon um so uh the did tinsley i think walked away off her own volition because she sort of left mid-season and had that I think one of the only, if not the only, mid-season goodbye title card, right? Not title card, but you know, you get the card that's like Tinsley. This is like mid-season and her thing came up and she was looking out of her car window. They gave her a very classy send-off.

15:35Ronnie Karam: Tinsley wasn't even showing up a lot of times that she was there. Remember? Yeah. She was always off doing something. Where's Tinsley? Tinsley doesn't even live in this town. Tinsley's just faking it. And Dorinda was like, he's just faking it to be on this show. You can't tell me. We will not talk about Tinsley. Dorinda's great final episode. And the glitter turban telling off the entire crew.

16:02Ben Mandelker: We will not talk about Tinsley anymore. You hear me? Tinsley. I wish we had a little bit more time with Tinsley. Just like at least one more season. I don't know why I enjoyed her so much. she was often crying or whining but like there was just something so funny about her this like aging socialite who like was once one of the hottest young women in all of manhattan and now was like forced to do time with the roni cast while they're all getting drunk and dancing around on tables, you know, with Ramona's 50 friends. And there's Tinsley, former it girl of New York City in the corner. And they just don't even care about her.

16:46Ben Mandelker: She's like shat upon. She's like their chambermaid. It was just like the funniest turn for her. I loved it.

16:53Ronnie Karam: I did too, because I didn't really know anything about Tinsley other than, you know, that she was super famous and was, you know, mentioned in the papers back in the day. The old newsies. but um yeah i thought she was really funny i loved when she put on the clown makeup and did that circus thing and then sobbed after and that was her mom she's like i'm miserable i'm fucking

17:18Ben Mandelker: miserable and that was like a story arc like that she's like guys i'm hosting this i'm hosting the circus and they had to go to the circus to watch tinsley but then dorinda was like yeah like what's the big deal you're you think it's special because you host a circus like they asked me i just didn't do it i'm not afraid of the circus it wasn't that like wasn't tinsley like afraid of heights and dorinda's like it's not that hard to do the trapeze i mean come on it was like dorinda was like really upset that tinsley had this circus opportunity am i crazy i seem to remember something like that oh yeah of course and there was jealousy and then why are we

17:55Ronnie Karam: sitting here you know there was the old like what kind of seats are these like they were shocked that they were actually at a circus. Like, what the hell? And then they all had to be like, we're so proud of Tinsley. She did it.

18:08Ben Mandelker: She led the circus. She had to be on a ring. She had to sit on a ring. They lifted her up and she was freaking out. Oh, man. These shows are ridiculous. And I love that. It was really, really so good.

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22:15Ronnie Karam: just going to have to agree on something i'm assuming she got screwed i'm assuming she got

22:20Ben Mandelker: screwed and i'm also assuming the producers said something like yeah we don't really want to track your divorce for another season so she's like all right then i'll i'll wrap it up she's like okay well as long as there's not gonna become content for the show we'll just tie a bow on that and i'll

22:36Ronnie Karam: move on the thing with all this is the unsolved mystery part like they get you to follow all these cases well they don't get us to but you know the headlines entice us to follow all these cases like the erica jane cases and then the you know the dorit thing it hasn't been that long for dorit but the um the leah mcsweeney thing and then we don't get an ending i feel like it's a netflix documentary where they just make you watch all these hours and they're like okay it's over we're not going to give you an ending now bye have a good one that'll be another 30 this month

23:07Ben Mandelker: that's life you know nothing rarely nothing rare nothing ever seems to have a nice little bow on it but it does feel like when there's these things that intersect with reality tv there should be there should be some proper conclusion for us it doesn't feel right that we're just like you invest us on your journey for many like many months throughout the year and then all of a sudden and it's over and we don't get to find out what really happened it's not cool yeah okay ronnie's gonna refresh yeah his camera's been acting a little funky lately so it's just me everyone at last um i was just thinking about the dorit and pk thing and um the the home invasion and how we never really got to the bottom of it and it made me think about you can see everything which i saw i don't i won't spoil a single thing don't you worry i'm really good about that but um besides i talk about this on the podcast can people um remind me in the chat if i if i brought up you can say everything because my big takeaway is the movie was super cool it was great but like for those of us living in the world of the housewives these sort of ambiguous moments and crazy things being said on camera this was like nothing new i was like this was a good movie Ronnie, what I was talking about was you can see everything, because I was thinking about Dorit and P.K.'s break-in, and how there were all these, there was video, there was conflicting reports, there was this and that, and we can't really seem to get to the truth, and I think that we need Nathan Fielder to basically spend like a month with Dorit, and he can get really close to her and be like, I'm going to ask you about the break-in.

24:52Yes, yes, I don't know anything about that.

24:54Ben Mandelker: You don't know about the break-in I don't think I know about the break-in, no You don't know who was the people coming to your house? I believe they came in, but I don't know When I say they came in, they came in But they didn't come in, if that makes sense That's all I know

25:22Ronnie Karam: Hello, Dorit um how was that movie everybody's talking about that movie my family was like did you see that and my dad said who is that lady and then my sister started telling the whole netflix show because there was a show with amanda safrid i think it was on netflix i'm bringing up netflix

25:39Ben Mandelker: a lot don't lie uh yeah the movie was great i mean um then i agree like you try to see it without knowing i knew nothing about it there was like a there's kind of like a big twist in the middle that like no one should spoil that would be terrible um but it will get spoiled like there's not a lot of time left before it's just gonna be everywhere it's gonna explode out eventually but it was really good and i know now i feel guilty about like making a joke about like dorit did suffer like an intense trauma during that break and i'm turning into elizabeth holmes thing but um it was more of just an example of like how there are so many of these moments with the real housewives and on bravo in general where there's just we never seem to get the the truth about erica's maybe a better example like we can't seem to get to the bottom of it like why i mean erica jane like erica jane walks elizabeth holmes could run it feels like but the movie's really good is elizabeth holmes that entertaining like her personality because erica jane no you know love

26:41Ronnie Karam: her or hate her but she's got a pretty entertaining personality they're both kind of like dead on the

26:45Ben Mandelker: inside um but like elizabeth holmes it's not that she's entertaining she just she just sort of stares these giant eyes and just is like yeah you know anything you need i just i i yeah i can i can answer that for you but it's like a robot it's it's wild but uh just always the only image i

27:06Ronnie Karam: really have of her in my mind is of her in the black turtleneck like steve jobs right staring into the camera like theranos the blood the blood wasn't it like a blood uh fingerprinting type thing where it read your blood and told you everything that was going to be wrong with you but now they actually have that but back then they're like oh she's just lying but now is she considered a

27:30Ben Mandelker: visionary some i guess based on what i saw in the doc some would consider her a visionary particularly her boyfriend but there are some that would say like hey you know she had to fail for the rest of us to do well um but um it was uh you know it was a fun it was a fun funny movie oh rime's gone gone again but anyway the point of the story really is is not to review the movie but more to say like we've been here before i feel like us bravo people have been here before And I feel like, you know, the movie was deeply entertaining. But for everyone in the chat, do you get the feeling that sometimes the people who are losing their minds over the movie, they don't watch reality TV?

28:18Ben Mandelker: So for them, the idea of someone saying something that accidentally implicates themselves on camera, someone saying something wild and batshit crazy on camera, the idea of someone getting drunk and saying something inappropriate on camera, the idea of someone stonewalling, the idea of someone changing their stories, is this idea that someone has a slippery version of the truth, is going to rely on semantics to get out of a tough situation. That's all very novel to people who don't watch reality TV. And then when they see the movie, they're like, this changes everything. It's like, just watch Bravo.

28:49Ben Mandelker: Because we were here first, and not for nothing, Elizabeth Holmes got her abs from Jen Shaw, who taught the fitness class.

29:01Ronnie Karam: That's one I'm surprised we haven't heard a lot from, is jen shaw she came out of prison and we haven't even heard anything she hasn't done any big interviews i mean the other thing to come out of the bravo fan well not the other thing but one of the things to come out of bravo fan fest was heather gay being questioned about this the black eye and then her saying oh i don't remember and then she got she was like help me out andy and then she got booed rightfully so because she's been lying for years about that and the last we heard about it from her was at the reunion saying jen shaw did it but i don't remember i don't remember how she did i just remember she she did it and now she's saying she doesn't remember again and then the next day jen shaw had a big poster sign that she was holding up somewhere that was like oh really heather gay you want to talk about the black eye maybe it's time we talked about it well do it stop threatening me someone tell me about the damn black eye this is another mystery I need the ending to

30:00Ben Mandelker: yeah the black guy thing that is the great Elizabeth Holmes moment I'm not even going to say the great but it's just that's another Elizabeth Holmes moment for Bravo the fact that Heather reopened that case is so annoying I know that Jen Shaw wrote something online about it but like whatever Jen Shaw's gonna just Jen Shaw I think we all when we all saw what Jen Shaw wrote we're just like whatever but the fact that Heather then at FanFest I actually walked back this big moment that was this really climactic moment in that season 4 finale a season 4 finale that was already firing on all cylinders and then had this like reveal at the very very end of it that like yes I'm finally going to say it was Genshaw and now you're going to walk that back I like it's so slippery that like I can't And I have to imagine Bravo is not happy with her because it's like, what are we doing here?

31:03Ben Mandelker: And you're going to defer to Andy to help you out? You got that crowd booing? Why would we watch you on TV if you're just going to joyfully manipulate the truth in our faces?

31:20Ronnie Karam: well you're not suggesting like well it could have been production i mean i don't know anybody could have come in there and just given me the black guy like you were wasted with jen shaw you were horsing around all night on the show so that's probably i mean you would think that that's how she got it but then making it into this like oh she did it but i won't talk about it when she's in jail and can't say anything i mean look it's to the point where you make us stand up for Jen Shaw in any way, shape, or form. That's just bad. But it was kind of nice watching her get booed for it because as an audience member, it's like, come on, it's been years of this shit.

31:56Ronnie Karam: So at least the audience got to tell her.

31:59Ben Mandelker: Well, Mike Bowman says, it's her Jupiter return. Give her a break. That's true. We should be more sympathetic to the astrological things happening in this world. But yeah, it really bothers me. I think I get really upset with Heather. It's a Jupiter party. I get upset with Heather, not because of the silly thing of her unfollowing us. I get upset with her because she's too smart to be playing these stupid games. She's so smart, and she actually is one of these people who is an anchor for a show. And she's just kind of, I don't know, I think she's squandering a lot of goodwill that we gave her over the years.

32:44Ben Mandelker: and it's a shame to watch it happening. But this happens a lot with these big Bravo stars that shine really bright. And then, I mean, you look at Bethany, you look at Nini, there's a lot who just like, they implode after a while. It's a shame. Speaking of squandering goodwill,

33:04Ronnie Karam: we knew it had to happen at some point. Martha Stewart has pissed everybody off. What the hell is wrong with Martha Stewart? What a dummy. Martha Stewart addresses backlash over homeless Halloween costume. I mean, it was such a bad costume.

33:21Ben Mandelker: It was so tone deaf, but it was just like, it was worse than I thought it was going to be. When I heard about it, when I saw the picture, I was like, what? Come on now. It was like, what are you doing, Martha Stewart? You know, what are you doing, super wealthy woman living in Waspie Katona and then dressing up like, you know, someone who is going hungry? it just was so rude totally obnoxious

33:50Ben Mandelker: but it's also the inevitable stroke of fate for anyone who comes on to Bravo did we all think that she was going to come on to Bravo and just wind up untouched she came on to the season where there's like Epstein this Epstein that happening like there's just something about appearing on Bravo that just leads to you making a terrible decision on social media it's amazing how quickly it happened with Martha though I thought we'd get through the full season before she made a huge gaffe like this um Mike Bowman says Jeter Brand homeless and uh Mariumi says it's like oh going back to the Heather thing it's like Heather walked back this black eye story because she's like giving room for for Jen to return to the screen so they can talk about it on camera I that's a great point there was a part of me that did feel that way like now that Jen's out of jail?

34:42Ben Mandelker: Is she walking it back because there's someone who can hold her accountable about what the lie is? I was just so confused about it. Now, the other thing here, Carrie mentions, Daisy is mentioned in the Epstein files also. So after all of this, it turns out that it's not just Martha. Before I even talk about that, we have to talk about Martha and her shitty, shitty apologies. So her first apology, let me see if I can bring it up. let's see if it's in this document she basically said something like um uh where is it she said something like i am so sad that my this is not a direct quote because i can't find it but she was like i'm so sad that my costume uh offended so many people when it was trying to draw attention to the homelessness epidemic in America.

35:35Ben Mandelker: What? The way you draw attention to it is maybe go to a soup kitchen or something like that. The way that she tried to even rebrand it as a socially conscious move was so ridiculous, but also very Bravo. I can't be... I have to laugh almost. Ronnie, I was just saying how... Oh, I know.

35:58Ronnie Karam: You're talking about Martha and how bravo it is to be coming all bravo. Listen, what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring up a subject and then I'm just going to completely leave the internet. And then I'm going to come back a few minutes later.

36:09Ben Mandelker: You're like, Ben, talk about Martha Stewart's problematic moment. Okay, bye. And another thing. I like poverty.

36:18Ronnie Karam: I don't have any idea what's happening today. If this was not a live thing, I'd shut everything down and restart everything. But look, I got a Julia Roberts freeze at least. Look at me. I'm like, ah, my head thrown back.

36:32Ben Mandelker: Leave it on this. Leave it on this because this is such a beautiful smile and it will unfreeze itself. But we can still hear you just fine.

36:41Ronnie Karam: Well, sorry, everybody. I don't know. But yeah, the Martha thing is pretty bad. Did Daisy do your makeup? Was she going to take credit for that?

36:49Ben Mandelker: I know, right? She had to do two different apologies. The second one was like, sometimes it's hard to admit when you're wrong. Sort of like my makeup girl Daisy buying all that Mackenzie Child kettle stuff on her stove and those popcorn ceilings. But anyway, enough about the poor. I've already done enough damage to them today. That's what I expected Martha to say. Okay, well, let's look up the, let's talk about something more fun, which is the Epstein files. Okay, we're going to look up the, let's see if he has it, if Ronnie has it on the document. Because I saw this as well of Daisy being in the Epstein files.

37:27Ben Mandelker: so I'm going to pull it up. Daisy Epstein files. Fans are guessing, but nothing confirms that. Okay, let's see. Is Roni's Daisy in the Epstein files? And there were some passing remarks. Honestly, it was just random sentences. Daisy didn't ask Martha yesterday and promised to ask today. Or Daisy promised to get back to me today and asked Martha Stewart's assistant if they liked the attorney's style or so. I think it's like truly that Daisy is just literally in it, but there's nothing implicating. But it would be kind of funny if Carol went for her on that. You came for me, but you're in the same files.

38:13Ben Mandelker: And I do like this comment here that says, Martha went to prison to bring awareness to the corrupt for profit jail system. She really is an American hero. the way she can just really shine a spotlight on so many things inside our trading, the prison system. She really, she is a hero amongst us mere mortals.

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39:49Ben Mandelker: Did you guys see Amanda and Wes Halloween costume? They dressed as dumb and dumber. And my question is, do you guys think that was a good costume or a bad costume? On the one hand, they are being self-aware. They're acknowledging everyone hates them. They're being dumb and dumber. But there's a part of me that says, just leave it alone. Just go off. Just disappear. Ooh, this color scheme, Ron, is beautiful. Well, now I'm just on the phone because I don't know what else to do. It looks great. Don't you worry. The royal blue on your ceiling, it's really lovely.

40:34Ronnie Karam: Lights. Isn't it crazy? just you know you look different in everybody's view of you so now i don't even have any links or anything in front of me so well okay i am steering the conversation and i was actually

40:46Ben Mandelker: talking about west and amanda's halloween costume as dumb and dumber and i was asking i was asking the crowd here do they think this was a good costume it's like winky winky i know everyone thinks we're dumb so here we are we're dumb and dumber you guys are right or do you think they of just stop bringing attention to it and move on. What do you think?

41:09Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, you got to keep living your life. I mean, what are they going to do at this point? I think we need to all put the pitchforks away. I'm tired of hearing about it. That was too many seasons of those two. That was the city and summer house right in a row of Kyle and Amanda's terrible relationship. And at some point, I just wanted to divorce somebody, not even with anybody. I wanted to leave somebody really badly after that. I'm so glad that they left each other I don't even care what she does with Wes now

41:36Ben Mandelker: You don't even care about their I will say their costumes were pretty good Like they did a good job with those costumes They were first of all thematically Accurate but also like They sourced them very well I mean the thing That was funny to me is that The periwinkle tuxedo That I believe Wes was wearing that just didn't Seem like it was any different than anything we would Expect him to see anyway wear anyway That just feels like he just took it out of his closet

42:01Ronnie Karam: the haircut worked for sure for west there was a lot going on with them because someone posted i don't have it in front of me obviously but someone posted like um you know kyle amanda finally broke away from kyle's controlling ass and na na na na and amanda liked it and there's been all this drama which means the show is coming back the show's on its way back because there are tons of headlines and it's all like, Amanda was, Amanda made a passive aggressive comment on Instagram about Kyle. And I just don't care. Go be happy. At this point, go be happy. I think the person, you know, we didn't like seeing get hurt in that situation was Sierra and she's fine.

42:46Ronnie Karam: Like Sierra's fine. So I'm good with that one. That's a mystery that ended. You know, I feel like the credits rolled on that one. So yeah, be gone.

42:57Ben Mandelker: yeah there was a yeah there was a big thing um carrie just just said exactly what i was about to say which is that people were really amused because kyle called west a cokehead in the comment section last week so everyone's like oh my god look at kyle and like and kyle was really on one and then there was like this blind item that amanda would have come back or like bravo was open or the cast was open or something to them making appearances on summer house or in the city or something but west didn't want to do it so therefore amanda didn't do it and kyle was like that's crazy i was not even doing the first place and he was just like all he was just really going going nuts last week but then he had to release some sort of statement i forget where i saw it but he's like obviously i was speaking to her and i really should just be quiet and i wish her the very best like the typical kyle thing where like someone clearly called him up to the Kyle, stop doing this.

43:51Ben Mandelker: Move on.

43:52Ronnie Karam: Amanda was saying she didn't come back to the show because of the horrible internet, like the internet blogs and commentators and stuff like that. Which makes sense. Yeah, she said it was too negative and toxic. But they were kind of on your side for 10 years and then you did that. But she's not wrong. I mean, I would want to get the hell away from that too. But I guess I am one of those people who's commenting so i mean i don't know sorry you guys want to see a funny photo that i forgot about until like very very recently okay i'm gonna pull it up okay i've got a share screen

44:33Ben Mandelker: and i'm gonna share my window and here we go and do you see it this is when i went to the summer house in 2017 and there's kyle drunk and there's a workist twin over there and there's amanda just uh lying on a table

44:56Ronnie Karam: lying on a table ready for the sacrifice let's see you can see i don't know who this person is

45:04Ben Mandelker: back here i think that just could have been a rando but there's i think that's that looks like that's Lauren Workus, right? And then we have Kyle. That is it. I'm taking the photo. I took the photo.

45:18Ronnie Karam: When you go to the summer house, you're supposed to take pictures with the people.

45:22Ben Mandelker: I have a photo with the Workus twins and Steven, but this was me just being like, oh my god, there's Kyle drunk. Look, he's holding some rosé.

45:30Ronnie Karam: That's back in the day before he came out with his own thing that they have to drink. They have to drink Loverboy all the time now,

45:36Ben Mandelker: but back then it was rosé all day. it was rosé and bbc's remember they'd be like who wants a bbc who wants to be which is for like bailey something i forget what it was they had their own concoction but every time they said bbc they didn't really know what what bbc meant they're like okay line up who wants a bbc okay open your mouth we're gonna put a bbc right in it okay i could i like the bbc so much i want one in every hole in my body oh my god you're like kyle that's not what it means yeah well not not in gay culture that's for sure here's amanda kyle she's just turning right at me actually

46:16Ben Mandelker: she's looking at me taking a picture of kyle and she's thinking surely this photo won't show up in 10 years from now on some youtube chat show about gossip about me

46:33Ben Mandelker: Aaron says what is a BBC do you mean their version of BBC or what we're talking about

46:39Ronnie Karam: what we're talking about well what were they talking about it was something like Bailey's

46:45Ben Mandelker: it was a drink it was a drink Bailey's and I just don't remember what it was called let me look up BBC drink. BBC drink. Bailey's It was a very tasteful television drink. Bailey's Banana Colada. It was like a white creamy drink. It was Bailey's Banana Colada, I think. And is that does that answer the question, Aaron? Was that the BBC you were asking about? Or do you want to know what BBC we're talking about? It's the British Broadcasting. How could they not respect our partners across the pond?

47:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. BBC is big black cock that's what it means in like porn terms yeah

47:29Ben Mandelker: just in life terms really

47:31Ronnie Karam: in life terms yeah so yeah leave it up to that show to not ever get what they were even talking about also like every time they said it who doesn't love BBC

47:46Ben Mandelker: I know we were very happy about that and I'm as this was look at this one look at this blast in the past. Remember the time when I photobombed Lala while she was doing a live at that party?

48:00Ben Mandelker: Lala was doing a live, and I got right in the background.

48:05Ronnie Karam: I wonder how many people's lives were in the background of. That Jonathan Van Ness, I got into his on accident, or by accident. Sorry. Because we have mutual friends that we were hanging out with at the comedy festival in Canada the night you had to leave me alone and so I was hanging out with all of them and I was a drunk idiot he hated me and I was just like dancing around while he was doing a live I didn't know it's almost like oh you're on Jonathan Van Ness's live and he's just looking at me like he wants me to die if he could have started me on fire with his eyes I would have than dead. I wonder how many times that's happened.

48:46Ronnie Karam: Just randomly. Some weirdos.

48:49Ben Mandelker: Oh, man. And this is the last photo I'll show, which was, I'll never forget this, when we did a show in Texas, and this is what the entire place looked like afterwards, and they were shell-shocked. Like, what is going on with your audience? We're like, sorry, Rapids fans. For those who are just listening to this, this is a picture of an enormous venue with nothing but your cups everywhere that was one of my proudest moments it's great work the carnage carnage was pure and wonderful oh the carnage well shall we go to another headline shall we yeah do it what about this Jeff Lewis calls Gina Kirschenheider a white trash grifter and a Bravo puppet story that oh gosh well

49:39Ronnie Karam: Well, that ain't the first time. So that was another thing from the Fan Fest. You know, Jeff has been giving Gina shit for years and years and calling her out. And so her answer to one of Andy's questions was, why would I want him to remodel anything? He's in charge of remodeling his face. And have you seen how that turned out? And everyone's like, whoa, yeah, let's go, Gina. And so he, you know, his response was like, white trash.

50:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, that's pretty harsh, calling her white trash. I wouldn't call her white trash. I mean, I don't think, I think that some of his other points are not the worst in the world, that she does sort of feel like a producer plant. And it does, like, I think it is time for us to move on from Gina, but I think calling her white trash is pretty crazy.

50:32Ronnie Karam: He said she's a white trash grifter But what is she getting out of it?

50:41Ben Mandelker: That's the thing She gets a sign from Marshalls that says I don't know

50:47Ronnie Karam: I don't know what those two are on about But I thought it was pretty funny And good for Gina getting one in there Because Gina doesn't often talk back She doesn't often go off at the internet I saw a post last year when she came online And she's like, you don't like me? Guess what? I don't care And I'm hung up But, you know She takes a lot of shit Yeah, I would love to hear I took it as Gina's telling all of us You know, to fix our faces Because Lord knows we've had enough to say about it Over the years

51:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think Gina is sick of this constant chatter about her from us from jeff from other podcasters who are just like it's time for gina to go she just it's clearly it's the same story for year after year after year which is why she literally says on the show the whole story about me is that i live in a casita i never lived in a casita it's like yeah clearly it drives her nuts that every time people talk about gina they just say casita like that's the thing that's stuck with about Gina like the only thing that has carried on like if you were to say like if you were to basically create like visual associations with all the housewives hers would be a casita and she hates that and she's sick of it and I think that when she clapped back at Jeff she was she was just like I'm clapping back actually everyone who's been so mean to me when I'm just showing up here trying to do my job

52:24Ronnie Karam: yeah well good for her you know but i'm sure that we'll be saying it again this week enough gina god get rid of gina you know my god um i just realized it's about time to wrap up the uh

52:39Ben Mandelker: the audio version of this and then we'll start bringing this audio version has been quite quite

52:45Ronnie Karam: a chore so thanks ben for your patience thanks everybody else for their patience my god you know

52:51Ben Mandelker: me i can just go and go and go i'm like um not a problem but the but the show is going to continue for those of us for those who are here live we are going to continue we're ending the audio version so everyone say goodbye to the people listening at home bye everyone listening watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alison king our way.

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