#3605 RHOC S20E18 Part One: Trashy Apologies

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3:22Ben Mandelker: a private room, like a boardroom or something like that. And they told Ronnie it's reserved for people with businesses. No,

3:27Ronnie Karam: that's not exactly. I mean, they just said it's like a business room.

3:31Ben Mandelker: We're business business. Do we need a business? Anyway, we're very exciting. We're here in DC. We have a big show tomorrow night. Come join us. Watch what crappens.com. Thanks to everyone who came out to Philly last night. That show was absolutely amazing. It was just so great. It's just so fun being back in these cities next week. We are going to Dallas and Austin. But as you may have seen, we are unfortunately, we unfortunately had to cancel our Houston show.

3:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, sorry, Houston. Really sorry about that. Had to do it. But sorry, that really sucks. And people, you know, we're sorry. I know. It makes me like very, very sad.

4:10Ben Mandelker: I was reading comments on like Reddit and stuff and people had bought tickets for their birthday. So it like it's it is like a real heartbreaker. We're really sorry that we had to do it. but we promise to get back to Houston as soon as possible. But yeah, unfortunately, our Houston show is no longer.

4:29Ronnie Karam: Yes, but we will still be in Austin right after this. Austin and Dallas coming up this week. So join us for that and go to watchwhatcrappens.com for all of our other cities that we'll be coming to. And today, Real Housewives of Orange County Supersized Reunion Part 1.

4:47Ben Mandelker: Part 1! Well, exciting. It starts off in an exciting way, which is Vicky arriving with a walker or a wheelchair. She's just hobbling. Yes, she does. She just had surgery, so she's arriving and she's happy.

5:03Ronnie Karam: I'm a walker. I'm a walker. Her glitter dress, her glitter Orange County ball gun. I wouldn't call it a ball gun, but, you know, fancy for Orange County, I guess. So Vicky comes in very happy. This reunion's rough, no? Why is this supersized?

5:20Ben Mandelker: Are you talking about the reunion or Shannon's hair? We have to talk about that. That is not supersized. That's what we call buxom. Is this too buxom? By the way, your question, I think it's supersized. That way they don't have to do three episodes. They don't have to do anyway.

5:37Ronnie Karam: You have nothing going on. Nothing happened. You don't need a supersized. You don't even need two parts. For fuck's sake.

5:44Ben Mandelker: I need a three-part reunion to find out why Shannon keeps hiring the same stylist. year after year because remember was it last year that she was in that yellow thing with the hair up like who is styling shannon like this is this is not right the hair was a disaster at this time i mean that hair was just so big and but it was wide it was like a wide hair i think the hair was

6:03Ronnie Karam: maybe my favorite thing about our luke because it's like something here i'm a texas person so i'm no stranger to blondes with giant giant hair so maybe i liked it because of that but the pink eyeshadow it was the dress but the whole season her weird lacy like the sleeves go like here and then it's been all wrong up your armpit i don't know what's going on but it's not good but this is orange county and nobody here is known for their fashion no no and fashion gays but even

6:37Ben Mandelker: we're like i'm also not gonna lie i watched the reunion last night after having you know we had some drinks after our show and so it's a little hazy some of the finer details but was it me or did i had potatoes a lot of potatoes was it me or did gina have some sort of like avatar makeup on right like i felt like her face looks kind of like like it almost looked like mother of pearl

6:59Ronnie Karam: or something am i wrong also i think the lighting in there is weird there because the set is vicky's backyard which it's way nicer than it is i mean come on this is from a month that vicky's backyard was a dump but this was definitely a disneyland version of vicky's old backyard back in casa

7:17Ben Mandelker: yeah and in fact they have they literally recreated her backyard grotto including a full-on water effect and you know this was a thing where the like the the set designer was needed to be reigned in because they you know they've gotten more and more elaborate where they've got like pits of fire and they've got like moats and things like that but this is the first time where there was an actual waterfall and you can tell and he was like okay this is too far because i mean you had in his shot you just had cascading water and it was actually distracting and you could hear it was

7:47Ronnie Karam: right behind him and this season is boring enough without the peaceful sounds of the water putting you to sleep because that shit will put you to sleep that's yeah or make you pee we are not going to chase waterfalls with this show because it would be bad and andy wasn't either i don't know if they didn't tell andy what they were doing he was not happy he showed up and he was like turn it off it's like please why is the water on right now like you turn her off you know there's

8:12Ben Mandelker: like some some guy that was like but i worked so hard to make that waterfall it's like yeah

8:17Ronnie Karam: you know that's not good and emily's hair was a triangle it was weird it was like a it's supposed to be i think like a 50s sleek you know movie star look but it was plastered to the side of her head but then maybe she went like this maybe she got a headache and like and then it made it to triangle but there was a lot wrong and i think that the lighting didn't help nothing nothing really nothing helped so we don't watch this for the fashion but it is hilarious and we watched this and i was watching salt lake city right in a row and that show

8:50Ben Mandelker: fashionably is fucking the same the suburban housewives there's always the city's housewives and the suburban ones and the suburban ones reliably just have the worst fashion it's basically Salt Lake City, Orange County, New Jersey Potomac is suburban but I don't know if it has the worst fashion I think it's fashion's fine Yeah, Potomac has great fashion

9:09Ronnie Karam: Well I mean it's just that Potomac has Giselle and Ashley Yeah that's the thing, it's like a little up and down But you know you've also got Monique And what was that lady's name who got fired this year, she was the lady with the esthetician shop

9:22Ben Mandelker: Oh, Kierna Or were you talking about Angel, you'll know her you're gonna get to know Angel in her fashion you should have invited Angel to the show tomorrow Angel until she'll arrive late because she gets lost but anyway she's zooming in from a gas station parking lot or whatever I'd also like to say before we really get the I was gonna say the meat and potatoes of this but there is none Louis Pitesman we enjoy Louis Pitesman, he is a culture writer and he wrote a thing on Vulture saying it's time to put Orange County out of its misery and cancel the show after 20 seconds. I'm going to say no to that.

10:02Ben Mandelker: This was a bad season, but these shows have bad seasons. I say get rid of the cancer that we have diagnosed several years ago. I think it's time. Cut out the people who are not performing the way they should be or not working for the brand. And I say rebuild. This happens all the time. I don't think we throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're just going to throw out the bathwater.

10:24Ronnie Karam: Well, no. Sometimes she should throw a baby out. The baby sucks. Throw it out. I would say that this baby doesn't completely suck, though. I've enjoyed a lot of the season, and I still laugh. Shannon was still making me laugh. It's the same complaints, really, every week. Emily and Gina trying so hard and lying so hard. Both of them are full of shit. Gina's all, I've been loving my 20th. What are you talking about? You and Emily have ganged up to team up on Heather every single year. Every season. say every it's like and also like we don't emily and gina exposing heather to be a fake

10:59Ben Mandelker: that doesn't resonate with us because we know it like we don't have those fake like that's not like that's not an exciting storyline that's not you're not pulling the mask off scooby-doo like in a way that's like compelling to us like maybe it's compelling to you guys but i feel like emily is constantly trying to prove that people are hypocritical and that's not like wildly it doesn't It never evolves into something larger than that. It just stays there. And it gets annoying over time.

11:27Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, we all know that Heather's a big phony. And it's called manners. You know, Emily's an asshole. This is why nobody wants Emily around. Because she starts stuff. And then she does say stuff behind your back. And then says it right to your face. And it's just fucking rude. It's rude. They were all calling Carmella trashy. And we saw them. Well, we didn't see them say trashy. But we saw her like, she's buying our friends. And what is up with this? So, Marshall Levin, he's not really a villain. They were all doing it, but because they eventually said it to her face and turned it on Heather, it's like okay for them to do it.

11:58Ben Mandelker: But no matter what, no matter what the truth is in that situation, like I don't care in any capacity. In fact, my favorite part of that was that Heather did call her trash and had to pull her aside and say, I called you trash and I was wrong for that. You are actually more like a giant dumpster.

12:18Ronnie Karam: Anyway, let's get on with this. Yeah, we'll get to that, I'm sure, because that's like half an hour of this meeting anyway, so we'll get there. So Andy, welcome! Season 20, where I'm Vicky's at. Wow, can you believe we've been here 20 years? Because I started it. I started everything. It was me. It was me. You're welcome. You're welcome.

12:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we're here. Okay, turn off that waterfall. Hi, Gina. Which of your engagement rings are you wearing today? Oh my god, I'm wearing both. No, you just held up a granola bar. Oh my god, that's not an engagement ring. No, it's not. You're still not wearing a proper engagement ring.

12:56Ronnie Karam: Wow, two wedding rings.

12:59Ben Mandelker: They both look cheap.

13:00Ronnie Karam: Shannon. Shannon Storms Menor. Did you move? I was like, oh, I'm still in Corona de Mar, but yes, I did move. It is very difficult finding a house that looked exactly like a shiplap boat on the inside. So, you know, but I did find it and I did move. Yes.

13:18Ben Mandelker: Well, I was going to ask, did you take Vicki's advice and move somewhere more affordable?

13:23Ronnie Karam: Well, no, no, but I really like it.

13:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's an every six month mover. Well, I mean, if we're talking about my vowels, then that's fair. Huh? That was a joke.

13:35Ronnie Karam: Hello, great to see you. Wish you brought your mom. Wow, bet you never heard that one before.

13:41Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah. hey maybe uh go back to those notes there thank you making sure the tissue wasn't in our face okay

13:49Ronnie Karam: we have the way we're set up we've got the laptop on top of the hotel room trash can as usual to give us some you know some height and then uh the diffuser we've wrapped a tissue around it with a bracelet that somebody made ronnie has a blinding light and so i was like

14:07Ben Mandelker: i put a tissue over it to just to shield my eyes a little bit but the tissue wouldn't stay and i kept on flapping in the way of the camera so ronnie found this cute like elastic charm bracelet so it's strapped it this is the jankiest setup of all time thanks again hotel um well it's also

14:21Ronnie Karam: watcher crapping so this is how we roll so he's just saying hello to everybody blah blah blah and heather's like wow you know my mother in true carol fashion really spun me saying that

14:33Ben Mandelker: she was a piece of work into the most fabulous thing ever it's great okay i feel like you're setting up for something and i'm not gonna follow through hi jen do you have a wedding date oh my god thank you so much i do have a wedding date it's april 3rd it's cabo it's a boat we're doing it we're keeping a classy that's okay you're canned anyway you probably will not be filming it sorry it's not you think she's canned i think so yeah really unless she's yeah so i'm acting shocked what no i i like i like jen i think that she's actually one of those people that can do kind of the low-key thing and still be interesting in a way that i think carmella can't be but i i'm concerned that she didn't that right now oc isn't really working and so i think they are going to really push out everyone that's not bringing it like at like really bringing it not necessarily being like who is well but like in terms of like personnel i think like heather and tamra uh and i don't know what's gonna gonna happen with shannon because she just sort of has had two sort of like mess seasons but you know the thing is she can like out of nowhere have a brilliant season so i don't know if they get rid of her but i think they want to get rid of this sort of slow moving personality thing and i just i don't know i i think of the of the low key slow burners i think jenna's really good at that in a way but like i i think that she may be in peril.

15:59Ben Mandelker: And I think that Bravo would say, well, we thought it was a nice full circle moment because you and Tamara are now friends again, so it seemed like a good way for her story to go get married.

16:10Ronnie Karam: You could burn down the city, probably, almost. So, yeah. Who knows? It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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17:41Ronnie Karam: I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

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17:58Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy. It's a great way to shift your mood. Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you got to watch this, you got to watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say what do I have to watch. Now I'm all about how do I want to feel.

18:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

18:18Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

18:31Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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19:20Ben Mandelker: Reddit makes every episode more fun. Even when nobody in my everyday life watches, I can always find fans ready to celebrate, debate, and compare reactions.

19:30Ronnie Karam: Different perspectives help me notice more. Fans break down the strategy, rethink a big moment, and explain why they saw a move totally differently than I did.

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20:05Ronnie Karam: Holler! Keep every episode going on Reddit with the reactions, strategy talk, receipts, and jokes waiting in every Reddit community. Download the Reddit app today. So then we go to Emily, literally don't care. He's talking about how hot she is. And she's like, wow, Shane is so obsessed. He watches this all the time. He's like obsessed with me. I mean, he loves my Instagram. It's a real thirst grab, Andy. Wow.

20:30Ben Mandelker: Hey, Carmela, welcome to your first reunion. Can't wait to see your personality explode off the TV. How'd you prepare for today? Oh, really?

20:39Ronnie Karam: Like, it's been giving me a lot of anxiety. and she's all the way at the end of the couch, which, you know, she's new, but it's like, she needs such a, such a small impact. And Andy kept trying to, cause you know, the drama is kind of about Carmela. Like she called you trashy and she judged your mother. And Carmela is just like, yeah, I really don't like it.

21:05Ben Mandelker: It's painful. I'm sorry. It's painful. People are like, I like Carmela. I mean, she seems nice. I like Carmela too. I like her. I like her. I just don't think this, I think on a season that is like having problems, I just feel like last one in first one out. You're not helping. Not helping. If you're not adding to the situation at this point. She's not. She's not. I'm sorry. She seems like a perfectly fun, nice person, but like, yeah, I mean, like you've got Nikki being horrible,

21:31Ronnie Karam: calling you a horrible mother. You've got Heather calling you trashy. This is when you go like, this is your audition. Your audition failed. You failed the audition.

21:40Ben Mandelker: she's not engaging. Go be nice somewhere else. She's not engaging and she's not inherently interesting enough to be that low engagement. So then Andy's like, okay, well, welcome back to your first reunions in season 14, Vicky. Wow.

21:55Ronnie Karam: Yes. Well, Tamara's still having a lot of sex with Eddie. We find out. She's having a wet spell. Oh, yeah.

22:04Ronnie Karam: Everyone's like, oh, yeah. So, yeah, Vicky's, Vicky's here. It's great. and um she's like well and we see a flashback to our season 14 where she's like I didn't audition for this show I didn't even know there was a show don't say I auditioned for this show I played at this show and he's like okay you didn't audition for this show this is my show

22:25Ben Mandelker: um she had knee surgery two days prior which is actually kind of crazy um but she's like she's here you know well last year I rocked BravoCon when I presented Vicky with an orange in a totally spontaneous moment that she wasn't prepared for whatsoever. Even though the OG of the OC re-entered the fray with a new main squeeze, some of the women felt like Vicky's whoop-it-up personality lacked the juice that it once had. Juice and squeeze. Get it?

22:54Ronnie Karam: You know, everyone's not so lucky to have all their mistakes recorded in front of giant audiences, so let's watch mine giving Vicky an origin bravo. I've been booing this ever since he did that at BravoCon. My response was, boo! And it's still going. So we're back in Vicky's backyard. And she's back 20 years, guys. I don't know if you've heard. All right, Vicky. Now, back when you knew you were coming on the show, or when you were coming back to the show, I'm curious, what was the reaction from people close to you about coming back?

23:31Ben Mandelker: Well, my son Mike, he was 100 % behind it. And my daughter Brianna said, Mom, just be careful because it hasn't always turned out well for you. And then my son-in-law Ryan, he said, Get your feet off the couch! So, you know, it's been a mixed bag. It's not the calling to ice. But I'm pretty sure that they're happy that I'm here. So then Andy's like, Okay, well, Reese is from Beeson. What's going on? Reese is from Beeson. Sorry. No problem. I thought I was scrolling past. We're sharing notes. No, we're sharing notes today. Hey, so Vicki, you spent your life building a business and saving for retirement, and you keep on working nonstop.

24:06Ben Mandelker: Why can't you just relax, unplug, and be like a good little girl and stop working so hard like the boys? I support people.

24:13Ronnie Karam: I have employees. I have a daughter. I have a son. I have a grandchildren. The grandchildren are learning how to email. These children wouldn't know how to email without your email.

24:22Ben Mandelker: Email. That ball has been in the pool for six years, okay? Someone's got to do some work around here. wasn't that like it was ball and no he just said Coco Coco was ball in house but the granted kid was like just said ball I think he just said ball yeah he just ran by and go boom no ball in house Coco

24:42Ronnie Karam: well let me ask a question because this reunion sucks and Andy's really not doing it so don't you feel like when you're working this job you shouldn't be working the other job because you say you need to work but this is work

24:52Ben Mandelker: yeah well you know what like you know I can't because you know my responsibilities don't end the moment like that I show up on camera Okay, I just can't do it. I can't. I have to work.

25:01Ronnie Karam: I have to work. I have to work. Tamara said, yeah, you shouldn't be working like it works. I mean, I don't podcast while I'm here. That's my job. Yes, you do. You talked about your podcast. Your podcast is in all the plot lines.

25:14Ben Mandelker: I think Vicky should just say, did you guys forget about Linda? If I don't work, she comes to my house and she yells at me. Linda. if I don't have windows for birds to crash into

25:28Ronnie Karam: where are they going to crash into? do you remember that? yes that's where the birds just kept crashing into Mickey's window okay so oh go ahead

25:36Ben Mandelker: they're basically saying like you know like this is your job too like don't forget that and she's like no I agree but it's just like I've got I've got stuff I've got to do you know

25:46Ronnie Karam: yeah I'm just so very busy so then he's like well you know Mickey the viewers really hated you to see it Yeah, yeah. They were really hard on me. They were really hard on me. You suck. That's why. You're a miserable person. And she doesn't even come in here acting better. She's just like, meh.

26:07Ben Mandelker: Well, my whoop it up meter wasn't as high as it was in my 40s and 50s. But, like, you know, I had to feel reserved. I felt quiet. Yeah. She was like, I don't want to get into fads. I don't want to argue. We need to empower women. I love that, like, by the way. It's like, all these three things she's saying it as, like, super negative. but like they're actually like very positive things like i don't want to fight i don't want to argue and we have to empower women she wants to empower women yes you come to me on real

26:32Ronnie Karam: hashtag empower women uh but also when does vicky empower women this is bullshit vicky wants to she was calling that mother that carmella bad mother the whole time i don't i just i'm like

26:45Ben Mandelker: you know i don't want to fight okay i don't want to fight and then carmella why don't you start a lot of them. I mean, you're the source.

26:51Ronnie Karam: They start, you know, okay, that's it. Great, Carmella. You're doing great. And Vicky's just like, okay, okay, Carmella. Whatever. You talk a lot about Dom this evening. You still want Dom? It's like, no! You know, it's not that I love a Dom. I just, it's family. It's family. You know, when Dom was here. You know, I just keep thinking back to that time where I was ignoring Dom. Dom was really bad at me. And then Dom said, God damn, God damn it, you stupid bitch. Oh, gosh, those were great times. I just miss out.

27:17Ben Mandelker: I really miss out. I mean, it's crazy to think that she's been divorced from Don for 16 years at this point. Like, that's wild. It is. The time has really flown by. Like, to me, it's like, oh, they got divorced like seven years ago. But 16 years? The Don Gundelson era? How am I even cuter? I feel like Don, like, lingers in our collective awareness. But we haven't seen him in 16 years. Like, I can't.

27:39Ronnie Karam: But I feel like he's the most popular person on this show because of the Twitter account. Mm-hmm. The Don Gundelson. Twitter parody. that we all thought was real at first like oh my god don gumbelson so snarky it's a classic uh so she goes on and on about don she's just regretful you know because she went from don i think she really loved brooks but he was a criminal i mean a criminal liar at least and she helped him lie about cancer and they got canceled so she misses the old pre-cancellation days which were don yeah so heather's like oh god i don't care about don fast forwarding this So now they're talking about Mike and what an asshole Mike is.

28:19Ronnie Karam: And is Vicky really into Mike? And he's like, well, would you get back together? Who cares? I'm sorry. I said I would pass this, and I didn't. So she's like, well, you know, I don't need to be buried to Mike. We decided we don't need to be buried. He's like, well, what about the ring? They're within the same. You don't get into me. I'm not afraid. I've not seen the ring. I don't care. It's my thing. I don't want to get married. It's my choice.

28:43Ben Mandelker: but the big thing that happened in this scene is really that we find out that mike called up jen of all people and cursed her out and she's like you know that night mike called me and he was so irate on the phone with me and by the way thank you so much thank you so much even though i didn't like what he had to say i just really appreciate him using his voice he's like well he was really mad he was like you know because you said my relationship was sad and andy's like this happened yeah he called me a 10 at night from your phone number and michael just let me have it he just cussed at me and I was kind of like who does this man think he is?

29:16Ben Mandelker: Gina at a diner? No.

29:19Ronnie Karam: I was kind of like what is this man thinking? Who does that? Andy's like, okay, so you were there when Mike called. What were you thinking when he was letting her have it? Oh, well, he had my phone. I talked to her first. Then he got on the phone. He said, you don't have to worry about fucking being sad. You stupid bitch. If he's sad, we wouldn't be together. She said, we wouldn't be together. I'm not sad. I'm not sad. First of all, that's totally inappropriate. And Vicky just acting like, oh, I had no idea. Like, I couldn't.

29:48Ben Mandelker: Bullshit. Bullshit. Vicky can be very strong. And she is the one who can lay down a hard, hard, hard boundary. And if you tell me that she can't do that with Mike, like, something is amiss here. I mean, we know. We all know what the situation is. Something is not right here. Well, why else is she calling Jen?

30:09Ronnie Karam: do you think Vicky calls Jen and then they tricked her by calling from Vicky's number and then Vicky's like okay here and then gave it to the stupid

30:19Ben Mandelker: Vicky who doesn't want anyone to talk about a relationship is still going to call someone up and then tag team scolding Jen and think that's not going to come to the show it's just so idiotic it's so dumb and Vicky needs to leave this guy because this guy sounds like a real asshole and his aggression towards Jen on the phone is totally unacceptable and I think it sounds like a harbinger of further terrible things you might do down the line.

30:42Ronnie Karam: And the thing is, you know who else calls your relationship sad? Everyone who saw any example of it. What are you going to do, call us all? Go ahead. It's like a robocall. It's like you pick up the phone. It's like, hello, this is Vicki Goulson. You need to vote for my relationship. It's like that.

30:57Ben Mandelker: Don't worry. I know. So it was really like, this is so terrible that the two of them did this. I'm going to put most of the blame on Mike, though, because I think I think Vicky's show stopped it, but this is Mike. Like, let's not lose sight. It is, but Vicky just being like, what?

31:14Ronnie Karam: What? Vicky's whole thing when she's confronted about anything, it's like, what? I don't even know what you're talking about. Oh, I'm a good person. I'm power women.

31:22Ben Mandelker: She, unfortunately, I think in a relationship, she, like, takes a super traditional role, and then she sort of, like, becomes subservient to the man, which I think is a problem. And it's been a problem for her in past relationships. And I actually generally want her to get some counseling to figure out how to stop that pattern, because it's not going to be healthy for her, and she doesn't deserve that. No matter what you say about Vicky, she does not deserve to be in a situation with a guy who's going to act like this guy, who's going to curse out women, or any of the other guys in her past who have not really been great.

31:48Ben Mandelker: Except for Don Gunvalson, apparently. He's the only one that's been good. As far as we know, by the way, we don't know. It seems like this pattern has repeated itself multiple times, and she's always afraid. She's always walking on eggshells with these guys. She's always afraid she's going to send them off because she gets into relationships with guys who seem like they flaunt access to themselves to her. like there's clearly some energy that's saying hey if you don't act right if you do this or you embarrass me i'm out the door and that's like that's bullshit like she needs to be with someone

32:16Ronnie Karam: who just wants to be with her yeah just dropped a lot just dropped a lot no no i'm listening i just think you know i don't think anybody deserves to be with a bad horrible person no but i also don't think that everybody deserves to be with a good person like you have to kind of be a good person and vicky sucks so i'm not saying she deserves something bad but she's doesn't i don't know that she's earned anything great either like she sucks she's a terrible person so um jen's like well yeah and he told me to keep he keep because vicky's trying to you know smooth this over and jen's like no he told me to keep his my his fucking name out of my mouth that's what he said he's cursing at her and yelling at her and she's like well i don't care about a ring i don't care about a ring why are we still talking about the ring camara's like that is degrading to talk to woman like that and jen's like don't put your eyes at me because vick's like

33:09Ben Mandelker: here's what's crazy to me instead of ever being my friend and calling me and saying jen what's up you let your man call me cussed me out of 10 at night and it was clickbait you know this is because because apparently this she gave an interview some stupid interview to some stupid outlet and the outlet did some clickbaity headline that enraged vicky and then mike so she goes you know that's why i say like what does he know and michael even said you know i was so close to getting ryan on the phone and like i don't have a i don't have a man here that needs to handle me this is my path as my friend like i don't need your man handling me that's really bad too when he's like oh yeah i almost called your fiance about it that's like no yeah i know you're gonna tell the person let me tell you something if mike called up ryan i have no doubt like this problem like if he thinks he's going to get some sort of sympathetic ear from ryan like hey get your lady in order i think ryan would have cursed this guy out and ryan would have ryan would have set it right actually i can't believe like ryan i'm like he would have fixed everything but i think he would have been like shut the fuck up don't ever speak to my wife or anyone in this family again in fact don't even call here again he would have i think ryan would have destroyed this guy yeah and that's why that's the real reason why mike didn't call him yeah so emily is like well you need to

34:30Ronnie Karam: apologize vicky that phone goes out of control because she's like well i think mike needs to apologize that is who needs to apologize i called jen to say what what did you say about us you guys aren't understanding vicky you called someone and had your man scream at them on the phone and curse curse a woman out because they said your relationship is sad when someone said hey what do you think about vicky's relationship so happy she's like there was a lot of sad things you're what do you want how about instead of yelling at instead of yelling at jen why don't

35:02Ben Mandelker: you focus on like projecting happiness so then uh so then and he's like shannon did something happen with you and mike when we're at the quiet woman she's like oh um uh well uh no no nothing nothing nothing happened at all like shannon she's doing her live face like

35:19Ronnie Karam: I would never say anything about my friend Vicky's. Man, I'm totally supportive of my friend's man. And besides, it was a quiet woman. So a man loves a restaurant with pictures of women with no mouths.

35:31Ben Mandelker: Well, I was upset. And Mike was talking to the owner. And then she looked over at me and laughed. And I thought that maybe they were talking about me. So it upset me. Which, by the way, this is interesting. Was she upset about with Mike? Or what was she upset about? Or was she just, like, upset? Or was she being like a drunken mess at the table and then she was like, wait a second, little miss 30-year-old, stop laughing at me. Like this line here, there needs to be more context.

35:57Ronnie Karam: And it totally sounds like Shannon to be like, well, I bet they were talking, Mike was talking to the owner and then the owner looked over at me and started laughing at everyone's laughing at me. And of course I said something. The camera's like, well, you said to him, why are you asking her goodbye? And because she's known her for 25 years. That is why he was talking to the owner of The Quiet Woman. And then Mike got upset, and then he basically said, I've known her 25 years, don't you fucking worry about who I'm hugging. This is business.

36:23Ben Mandelker: And to be fair, I was pretty sure that when I saw the manager, it looked like she was pantomiming adding sugar to my dish. And I said, if you add any more sugar to this sauce, I will say something about it. I will confront her. I knew she was going to sabotage my meal.

36:40Ronnie Karam: when I had the waiter over and I said, I would like this salad with no salad dressing that is made out of the potato with french fries on top, in bread. You know, 25 calories, and then I started laughing.

36:53Ben Mandelker: Ay, ay, ay, ay. And then I said, what do you mean you don't have zoodles? Of course you can make a zoodle for me. Goodness gracious.

37:02Ronnie Karam: I feel like she's not a zoodle fan. I have to redo this camera. I just hurt my face.

37:08Ben Mandelker: I mean, I just tilted it away from my face. Oh, okay. So I hurt my face. So, but basically, Tamara says, I've known her for 25 years and don't fucking worry about who I'm hugging. This guy is such a shithead. The way he is talking to women, like, he may get annoyed with Shannon, but you, like, why are you engaging? Like, if you're going to play by the old rules of, like, misogyny, where, like, I'm going to get your man on the phone and put you in order, then why don't you abide by the old rules of chivalry at the very least? I mean, this guy, what a piece of work. it gets even worse bad it worse what's wrong with me it gets worse bad it gets better better

37:42Ronnie Karam: worse it gets better worse not even funner yes okay so he's like it's none of your fucking business and vicky's like well i don't i don't think he ever said the swear word we're christians and sanna's like well i mean he just said you want to go you want to go like he's coming at her like this is crazy this is so gross and vicky's just sitting there so upset that they just basically outed Mike for being like this. And Tamron's like, you want to go there? What the hell? That is aggressive.

38:12Ben Mandelker: Well, then it was like, because Heather and Jen are like, you want to go? He said that? And then Tamron says, no, you want to go there. Either way, they sort of like, Shannon is being obvious.

38:21Ronnie Karam: Well, Shannon made it sound like he said, oh, you want to go? And Tamron goes, no. He was like, you want to go? Like, you want a piece of me? And so, in other words, he was being like physically aggressive and Shannon is trying to make it sound like oh no he was just saying would you like to go?

38:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah Shannon is being very squirrely about this and you can see she is trying to protect her friend and there's more to the story and she basically sort of sums it up like well you know it's fine we had a disagreement and we fixed it so everything is okay the Tres Amigos go on I was irritated and he was

39:00Ronnie Karam: irritated and that was it Well, at the end of the day, you're nothing for nothing, and I basically learned that I was just a bitch. And that's it.

39:08Ben Mandelker: I was like a babble with a syndrome. I was irritated. But now, now it's okay. So everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

39:16Ronnie Karam: We're not going to be right, Mike. Mike doesn't deserve that. None of this happened. These are lies. This is all lies. These are liberal lies.

39:24Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, I want to talk about the conversation that Vicky's engagement ring while I had the digital camera. Why don't you explain this crazy thing?

39:32Ronnie Karam: all right so we go did he propose did he not propose why are they saying that he's hiding the ring unless she behaves blah blah blah he just yeah yeah yeah yeah i was never into this have you seen the ring or where's the ring so but carmella what do you think about this

39:50Ben Mandelker: well just like didn't really make sense to me because i'm like i don't know i'm saying that from a hurtful place carmella i'm begging you please say it from a hurtful place be hurtful

39:57Ronnie Karam: do something. Say it from an alive place. Say it from a living breathing place.

40:02Ben Mandelker: Say it from a non-beige place. Anything. I don't say it with your pulse.

40:08Ronnie Karam: Say it with your pulse.

40:10Ben Mandelker: Please.

40:12Ronnie Karam: So Vicky's like I'm not even ready to be married. You guys need to leave me alone. So Andy's like okay well what happened with Vicky and Tamara towards the end of the season when Vicky made comments over Sydney this shit happened years ago on Facebook. Why are we still fighting about this?

40:31Ben Mandelker: This is crazy. Sydney's nightmare being brought up again as a topic. So Vicky's like, you know, I hate hurting Tamara. I mean, I really hate it. I mean, is it funny? Yes, but I hate it. You know sometimes when you laugh so hard it hurts and your knee is hurting? It's like, that's why I hate it. I hate it so much because I laugh too hard.

40:47Ronnie Karam: I hate hurting Tamara almost as much

40:49Ben Mandelker: as Tamara's daughter hates Tamara. If I could erase hurting Tamara the way that Tamara's daughter erases her, I would by the way Tamra liked your posts today what posts I don't know it was like it just said Tamra liked your posts

41:06Ronnie Karam: oh I didn't post anything oh well I think the thing was like come to the show or texting that was our post I didn't make a post I only make posts and you're like make a post

41:18Ben Mandelker: make a post I was like Ronnie you have to post something on social media oh well it worked Tamara liked it

41:34Ben Mandelker: what was that what were those noises we just that's like our version of Tamara like social media

41:46Ben Mandelker: don't make any sense people we are like crazy

41:52Ronnie Karam: I do those every fucking day by the way I just walk around doing Tamara Cartman voice. Oh, I hate that wave, but make me sit in back and play.

42:02Ben Mandelker: I think my Tamara has actually moved beyond Cartman to just some strange, because for a while I was just doing your Tamara. I used to do Tamara like I'm a hot bitch, bitch, but then you started making her into Cartman, and then I started just doing you doing it, and now mine's just like a goblin. Anyway.

42:17Ronnie Karam: That's how she gets, you know.

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44:57Ronnie Karam: That's article.com slash crappens for$50 off your first purchase of$100 or more. Okay, so now they're fighting. Oh my God, I can't believe Vicky said something mean about Tamara's daughter. He doesn't like her anymore. And then, you know, Vicky's like, well, I said I was sorry. And then you brought it up in Turkey. and we weren't even talking about that. She's like, we never said it before we started filming. It's crazy. You know, it happened in really handy, which is why I brought it up on the cast trip at the very end of the season when nothing else was going on.

45:28Ben Mandelker: In that scene, you break down and then laughing for about 10 minutes. I was thinking about, remember when you started therapy? Is that how, what's going on with that therapy? Is that even working? Yeah, that turns out. This issue is why everything is happening. Okay, so what you're saying is your daughter not talking to you is why you lash out and hurt so many people. So in some ways, it's almost like your daughter's causing all this pain. Yeah, I guess you could say that. I mean, no. No, no, no. Therapy wins. Oh.

45:58Ronnie Karam: I just want to say, anything mean that I've ever done in any city's a little fucker. Okay, thank you for asking me, Andy. So, Tamara, or Shannon, it was so touching when Tamara was having her fake breakdown in Tokyo about Sydney, which she's already done 97 times. most famously in a sprinter van being hugged by Shannon after Kelly called her a bad mother for the Sydney situation.

46:24Ben Mandelker: Of course. Well, you know, I ran over to console her because that's just what I would do. I can't even imagine if one of my daughters wouldn't, wouldn't talk to me, but thankfully all three of them do. Can you imagine three daughters? That's three out of three, a hundred percent. They all talked to me. So yeah, I went to hug her. Also, she had my time bar in her back pocket so it's the only way i could access it you know one of the most touching

46:47Ronnie Karam: things a daughter can say to you and mine say to me every day is the person you have called is not available right now please leave a message yeah yeah uh did i mention i have basically a

47:01Ben Mandelker: fourth daughter now which is that when i call uh the twins i get a message that says hi this is constance your twins ai assistant what can i help you with and i say constance you're not real and And then Constance says, well, guess what? Neither was your marriage. And I say, what? Excuse me. And then Constance hangs up on me. So sweetest mother.

47:20Ronnie Karam: The Mother's Day card I ever got said this voicemail box is full. Well, anyway, this has been great. So she talks about her daughters and, you know, how the Saturday it is with Tamara, not having her daughter. And Andy's like, where are you and Tamara now, Shannon? And Jared's like, that's a good question, because you might want to ask him and then, because he said we were good, and now we're not going to say anything to me.

47:45Ben Mandelker: Well, I thought we were good. I thought we were good. I thought we were good. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She really didn't do that. We're not good? She was doing her windshield wipers. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We were good. I thought we were good. Yeah, for that. So we go to the premiere party, and that night before, we were talked on the phone for two hours on the phone. And then you walk into the press and you say, oh, I'm going to have to keep her out of distance. Well, first of all, Tamara loved to complain about being stuck on the phone with Shannon for hours and hours and hours. So why are you still talking to her on the phone for hours and hours?

48:21Ronnie Karam: I mean, that's just what we do. I feel that way for people stuck on the phone with me for hours and hours. You have to ask yourself that question every day. Why am I still talking to Ronnie on the phone for hours and hours? No, never. but yeah, she's this whole thing, so they were doing the premiere press line, and Shannon was telling virtual reality that you know, I had to analyze history, and I saw that there were certain panorists, and I had to, blah blah blah okay, but they were saying listen, if it's a premiere party, they're probably saying, hey Shannon, how's the season? Tell us what's coming up on the season and Shannon was saying I was estranged a little bit from Tamara and we had to work through a lot of stuff in the past and Tamara's got nothing.

49:08Ronnie Karam: So she's coming in here like, oh my God, I can't believe that you said you mad at me after we made up.

49:14Ben Mandelker: And she also, like, she can't she can't like spoil that everything's fine between them. So like in the premiere party she has to act like oh my God, it's so tense. I mean, in Tamara's voice. So then Heather goes, wait a second, wait a second. Listen, no one is telling you to forget the two years and your boundaries because your boundaries, Shannon, are your boundaries. Unless, of course, we're talking about lanes on a road, in which case you're free to swerve amongst them, apparently. But if you're going to sit on the phone with her for two hours, that is a mixed signal.

49:52Ronnie Karam: Shannon, you need to be as clear with your boundaries as the local police were when they had an ankle monitor on you.

50:01Ben Mandelker: well maybe what she's saying is maybe you just like want to be consistent in terms of how you're treating her and what you're saying to the press it's like yeah i should i get out the pot right

50:11Ronnie Karam: i was like oh god they're just stretching for something to happen like pretending you're mad because someone is talking at the end of the season like it's the beginning of the season is crazy work especially for people who've been doing this for 20 years like come on

50:24Ben Mandelker: hold on one second my watch is telling me it's time for vicky to stretch she's like no my legs

50:29Ronnie Karam: fun get off the stage yeah i just i have to go i'm sick of this where i was mad when we were talking about me now i'm mad that we're not talking about me i'm gonna go to the back and have my own camera crone just sit down fuck your butt excuse me excuse me hello this is television's

50:43Ben Mandelker: heather dubrow and i have auditioned for medical dramas i can take off the shoe to help her look this is how they do it okay i need 10 cc's of wax to slide this strap off stat stat just needs to

50:57Ronnie Karam: be rewired. Thank you. Look at Heather. Help me. Thank you. It needs to be rewired. Rewired it. Rewired the show. Wow. Now I've seen everything. Heather actually doing physical service for somebody.

51:08Ben Mandelker: You know, as they say, I'm not a doctor, but I have two penthouses that are welded together in Century City.

51:17Ronnie Karam: Let me tell you what... Sorry, I was looking ahead at the notes. You know what's really fascinating? Hold on. Everybody, just hold on. Hold on tight to your chair. Okay. carmela's having a mobster drink okay so then uh there shannon's like well oh wow you know uh she was having fucking john coming into the party oh god so now emily starts i want to know why vicky's on a group because they're vicky walks off and so it's like how do you feel how do you feel shannon we were just gonna have this conversation about how you and vicky are doing but now she walked off to not have to do it. So Shannon's like, well, I mean, she was hugging fucking John coming into the party.

51:57Ronnie Karam: So, I mean, there's that.

52:00Ben Mandelker: All right, well, we're back with the real half of the party. Okay, minus Victoria. That was for you, Emily Victoria. Okay, but her show is still here. But I guess she's dealing with some bodily fluids or some bones or something.

52:14Ronnie Karam: I don't know, old people stuff. All right, so now we go into the Carmela season. Guys, this is Carmella. Danny can't really get me what I need right now. I don't know if I can really ever trust him. I don't think I trust Danny, and I don't feel good, and I sell houses. Yeah. It's just, like, really hard. So, Vicky is still sitting backstage, because it's not about her, and it also happens to be the Carmella segment. She's like, no, I need to go backstage and go back. That's perfect. So, Gina's like, well, I mean, isn't, like, Danny's body of family in any of the religions in the are they still talking to Carmella?

52:52Ronnie Karam: I can't.

52:53Ben Mandelker: I was resentful. Okay. Well, thank you, Shannon. That meant a lot to me that you came and visited me and oh yeah, it still hurts. Everything hurts and I'm just fanning. So anyway, wait. I do want to go up to this part here because I'm just scrolling through. Honestly, I get it. I feel like there was something here with Gina that I thought was okay. So Shannon is still recruiting Carmella to her side. so Carmella's doing her whole spiel of whatever boring stuff. And Shannon's like, I just want to say, Carmella, I really admire you advocating for what's best for you, which is like, Shannon's a weird thing to say.

53:30Ben Mandelker: And Carmella's like, thank you, Shannon, because sometimes I don't allow myself to feel things, and I've just been suppressed for the last decade, and as long as everything's okay, nothing else matters. I know someone's nervous, my girl's voice.

53:41Ronnie Karam: I think this is what you were going to get to, but Carmella's going through paragraphs and paragraphs, This is my trauma. And I finally broke up with Channing. It's been really hard. And Gina's like, that's what I love. That you are so strong. Like me. Because I relate to it. Because I have a storyline where I had the segment. And it was horrible. It was terrible. And I got away. And I built a real estate career. So thank you. Thank you for pointing that out, Carmella. Carmella's like, um.

54:10Ben Mandelker: Gina just turned it into her own story. She's like, it's been so hard for me in this room. But one of the good things about being in this show is they just like put you in a room and you get sat in a chair. I'm like, is that the layout for your casita? And you know what? You just get like, it's been like my therapy. You get put in a room and you get sat

54:30Ronnie Karam: on a chair and then you realize my kids could sleep on this. And then you get folding chairs and you get sleep on them. Saves you so much money.

54:39Ben Mandelker: Well, you know what? A lot of people, you know, I was a mom in an unhappy marriage and I would look at myself and I'd say, this is your life and put on put a smile on your face, you know, and we're all blessed and we've all gained our own independence and I no longer just plaster a smile on my face to show that I'm happy when I'm not. This is an authentic smile now.

55:00Ronnie Karam: I'm happy. I'm so so happy. Okay, so there's donuts backstage. Meanwhile, all this trauma is going on on this page.

55:12Ben Mandelker: Oh, I like this donut. It's delicious.

55:14Ronnie Karam: I came up against, you know, this horrible man and blah, blah, blah. Just close to Vicky being like, it's donuts. But delicious. It's fluffy. Get the fuck out of here. Is that a donut? Give me a donut. I'm going to have a donut.

55:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I did. Did Steve Gutenberg ever DM you after the Skiesa party? He did. I am horrified.

55:37Ronnie Karam: I am horrified.

55:39Ben Mandelker: Well, all he wrote me back was, I'm not really a set-up guy. I don't do setups from people I don't know. And I said, oh, that must be like what casting directors feel when Wendy Malick walks in and they say, we don't open auditions for people we don't know because she's not famous anymore.

55:59Ronnie Karam: It was a very nice reason to turn down Shannon. He could have done what most people do and just said, no, back away. But he didn't, you know? And if he'd been in any other way, I would have said what Wendy always said. Steve Hutenberg?

56:14Ben Mandelker: He said, my brand is three women, I mean three men and a little lady, not three men and a little trauma.

56:25Ronnie Karam: Well, you should tell him that I just recently watched short Twerk It. Oh, look at that. I'm twerking.

56:33Ben Mandelker: I just got a DM from Steve Hutenberg and he says he is calling his friends from the police academy to arrest you for that terrible joke. and then his friend just texted me and said

56:54Ben Mandelker: anyone who's a millennial or younger has no idea what we're talking about

56:58Ronnie Karam: well that's okay you know Steve Guttenberg will not be set up by people he doesn't know which is the entire current generation of humans

57:07Ben Mandelker: good luck hanging out with Judge Reinhold who I used to confuse you with Judge Reinhold

57:13Ronnie Karam: um so is shannon dating right now look what happened to that guy that you met in that bar shannon six months ago when we were filming she's like oh oh i never heard from him again i'm telling you the the one time you tell a man to research the hantavirus

57:30Ben Mandelker: although i guess we should see who those victims were because what if he was one of the hantavirus people on the cruise. How terrible.

57:39Ronnie Karam: I just thought, wow, wouldn't it be so nice if we went on a cruise and there was a Hantavirus and we were stuck together for weeks and you couldn't get away.

57:48Ben Mandelker: Tamara, you made a comment that Emily's new physique could lead to her seeking other attention. Did that happen while you were filming separately from Zama? So Tamara's like, no, no, no, no, never, never. And then Andy says, by the way, how long was it between you divorcing Simon and meeting Eddie. He's like, I knew Eddie before Eddie filmed with Simon, and I, you know, you were just kind of separating, and I was, like, looking for a house, and, you know, we used the house that I was living in now, and Eddie opened the door, and I just remember being like, Spots! Wow, Eddie.

58:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Wow, how did Tamara and Eddie meet? That's something. Why are we asking this? It's season 20! So then Andy asks Emily... I want a donut! Here's some of that donut!

58:32Ben Mandelker: Just cut back to Vicky. over and over. Andy asks Emily what Shane's reaction was watching her get hit on by that guy at the bar down in the peninsula. And Emily's like, well, he just made a no, you know, he's like, I saw it. And then he like, he watched some episodes and then afterwards he's like, by the way, something I don't think I've ever told you is that like, you're a good mother. I've never told you that before. And then he said, I'm sorry, I never said that. And he said, I want you to know you're a great mom and you're doing a great job. And that was like a small little statement from a really nice guy and had a huge impact because it's like, I don't care about all the money and all that stuff and I just want a guy who's going to like see him

59:08Ronnie Karam: wrap it up Emily, no one's buying this shit

59:10Ben Mandelker: I was like congratulations Emily your husband finally did the bare minimum he should do in a relationship with you which is to give you a passing compliment like the most basic simple compliment

59:20Ronnie Karam: that is pretty terrible, it's your third child and you've never said wow you're doing great, you're a great mother

59:25Ben Mandelker: come on Shane, Jesus but I actually did, believe it or not I did enjoy her larger point which is that like when he watched it back he didn't get mad or upset at her but he just was like oh i'm i he learned from it and realized he had to do better and i actually do think that's a good point so you know what emily you get another season oh i'm just so high no i did like that no i did like that point i did like that point congratulations you've reached the end of part

59:52Ronnie Karam: one of a two-part recap for part two go look for the recap that says part two see you over there suckers well hello and welcome to watch what crappens this is part two of a two-part recap if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show watch what

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