#3606 RHOC S20E18 Part Two: Trashy Apologies

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1:31Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crapens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

1:45Ronnie Karam: Okay, so I'm skipping that. So now Vicky is still not out there. And Jen's like, where's Vicky? Did she bring her laptop? Is she doing your email? So what is going on? He's like, oh, she's coming back. Don't you worry. What's she calling Mike? Oh, God, I hope not. Oh, geez.

2:04Ben Mandelker: Oh, God. What if Mike yells at me? Gina, Gina and Emily, are you noticing that my mouth is weird? It's just that I feel like I can't talk. I'm like, it's because you have so much hair around your head right now. It's all going into your mouth or something. Gina's like, is that from the Botox?

2:18Ronnie Karam: And he's like, yes, yes, I guess it is from the Botox. So they're talking about how Gina just did the lip filler for the first time and she got the lip flip. And now she can't feel her lips. So, you know, conversations we all have.

2:30Ben Mandelker: I can't feel my face when you're around. I don't like it. Yeah. Well, guess what, everyone? Just when you thought we already did this segment, turns out we can do it again. Because guess we met our new housewife, Carmella. She was in Playboy. She got arrested. She does all these crazy things. And none of it translated to screen presence.

2:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. so are we firing carmella in the first half of the reunion why are we wrapping it's like every segment is like okay back to carmella so um now we're talking about the gift yes how she started off by giving a really fancy purse to emily with a vibrator in the middle and uh carmella's like you guys we were at a drag show like you're supposed to be like sexual and stuff like that was the environment like hello and andy's like wow you real estate career i'm sorry my screen just went blank okay wow gina josie from josie town said uh tamra tamra said you were jealous of carmela's career oh god gina's like you know what if i ever said that i'm gonna admit it right now i was thrilled because honestly carmela carmela's a true investor like she's an investor and she does luxury renovations.

3:46Ronnie Karam: Notice that I'm complimenting Carmella without saying developer. Why didn't they go for that? Because that was the argument that Gina's like, that's not a developer. I know developer. I'm in real estate.

3:57Ben Mandelker: Gina was so nasty to Carmella, along with Vicky and others. And the fact that later on, they're just going to try to make this like Heather, the real boogeyman, because Heather called her trash and then later apologized. But Gina was one who was just so rude. So then Andy is like, well, Jen, are you surprised? the other women were so offended by her offer to work with you no i was thank you so much by the way thank you so much for being so offended you know it never was like okay now you're gonna be like 100 doing 100 million dollars in sales it's just she's kind of like hey do you want to like see how this works you know it's just like yeah i just just wanted to share our success thank you

4:30Ronnie Karam: so much yeah but like you weren't you weren't conveying that in the best way what did she convey she said this lady asked me to help her with some stuff you guys are the ones who made into, oh my god, you don't even have a license. Why would she ask you to do it? $30 ,000? Why is she paying you$20 ,000? She's buying everyone's friendship. Yeah, Gina and Emily come back and like, oh my god, we were always so kind to Carmella, but now, let's watch how Heather ruined her life. Okay, so they're kind of buttering this up. And Jen's like, well, you know, Vicky, like you, Vicky accused Carmella of only asking me to do real estate because she wanted money from Ryan, but she never came to me for money.

5:08Ronnie Karam: I mean, she never came to me and I helped her, you know, I told her I really like Grey Tile. So, you know, sisterhood. Grey Tile sisterhood.

5:16Ben Mandelker: And then Emily's like, well, it was fine. It would have been fine for her to do that, but then like, there's$20 ,000 that just gets thrown out there and like, where does that make sense? Like, what are Jen's obligations? What will she be doing? I felt like they could get messy between the two of you. So then like, why don't you sit them both down and be like, have you guys thought this through? Be careful. But instead it was like, can you believe it? Something's not right. It's just like it just all was jealousy. That is, what they're saying is that is really weird but i think that it is weird of carmella to just show up and be like

5:43Ronnie Karam: here's the five thousand dollar purse oh my gosh also i'm gonna give this girl twenty thousand dollars to do my she is doing what they're accusing her of the problem is they take this stuff and emily just burns through it in five minutes instead of letting it let the evidence pile up and then you come at somebody you know 15 episodes later it's like the second it happens are and then now we're left on that 19th episode of the season we still talking about the same shit from that's a great point she's how to do this yeah she's like it's almost like when you're

6:14Ben Mandelker: like when you're starting a fire like on survivor you gotta start with the kindling and then you move to bigger branches bigger branches and she's starting with the big stuff and she's trying to be like aren't you mad shouldn't you be mad instead of just being like wow it just seems like carmel is trying to like buy her friends and and also like it's like law and order in two seconds it's like look someone's dead jerry o 'connell did it yeah and like and then it's like she's not even

6:39Ronnie Karam: well they also move it to a final well he was he was the cop jerry orback jerry orback jerry

6:44Ben Mandelker: o 'connell jerry o 'connell be like guys isn't it crazy women murder people like this but guys murder people like that guys men and women isn't that crazy battle of the sexes with murder

6:59Ronnie Karam: law and order genders are different yeah man has a husband let me tell you murders are crazy

7:07Ben Mandelker: i think though that like to your point which is i think a really strong one is that like yeah it is weird like carmel is definitely trying to like buy her way into the group in a certain way and and i think that like emily could just question that and felt like she's moving weirdly but then it became like she's not even a developer does she why does she even do real estate she's I've been doing this. They pile so much on that as an audience member, you're just like, I don't even care anymore.

7:32Ronnie Karam: Well, we start rooting for Carmella, who we don't even know anything about because you guys are being such dicks. It's like she walks on, she gives you this expensive gift, which is weird, but if somebody gave me a$5 ,000 bag, of course I would be like, I barely know you. But the other part of me would be like, oh my God, thank you so much. But Emily immediately goes like, why is she even doing that? You're ungrateful and you're not nice. and then it makes everybody jump on the side of this person who we should have all been questioning

7:58Ben Mandelker: from the first place because it is weird yeah and then some of this falls on carmella because i think actually like if carmella was like interesting or had a spark of life behind her she would have been like she would have been either very funny and been like these like these two bitches they're just jealous or whatever and we'd be like yes queen and we would have been like we would have been like yes you know we do we do like an underdog i mean we're excited for katie janela in the past two years you know i think we actually would have all gone behind carmella and love to seen her just like like just read these people for phil for being just jealous and petty but she didn't provide that so then we're just like she's not she's not our underdog and she's not like our like lame-ass person who's trying to buy her way into the group she's just carmella and these girls are just trying to like make something happen and you're just like you know what throw it all out

8:42Ronnie Karam: um this you're making me think of a comment on our last episode that we did of this because we were talking about how she is on adhd medication and i was like where's the h like that's the problem with carmella it's like she doesn't have the h and someone's like yeah ronnie if she's medicated she wouldn't have the h because that's what the medication is for and i thought wow

9:05Ben Mandelker: it's so funny that you had to point that out to me and leave the last age off for savings very good point so thank you commenter it all works out anyway so they're questioning this and And then Andy is like, by the way, wasn't what Carmella, what she's doing with Jen, the same as Vicky, what you did with Laurie season one, which, by the way, I love that we can go back 20 years. Like, remember that thing from 20 years ago? What about that? But Vicky is like, no, like Laurie wanted to get like a license and she wants to work in insurance until she could find like a guy who could like, you know, pay for her lifestyle.

9:37Ben Mandelker: And like, that's what we did. We got a license up and she did insurance. And then, you know, she found George.

9:43Ronnie Karam: Well, Vicky's answer is so weird because she's like, but she definitely did the buddy. that was the point she just wanted to she just wanted to do something it's almost like she looks down on it because you're doing it because you need it so the answer is weird but i mean i think the truth was yes you did do it for laurie but laurie was actually coming to work every day and working here as assistant not you're not you weren't just saying like i'm gonna give tens of thousands of dollars to some random who i don't know who doesn't do this job just for shits and giggles you know yeah but no one's like going for what they believe vicky's just like whatever I can't believe anyone's coming for me Gino's like I'm with them I mean They're all just kind of being such Wissies about everything But it's like oh my gosh It's time for a commercial It's time for a crappin's commercial

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13:49Ben Mandelker: Well, Milka from Frappuccino says, Vicky, you've said numerous times that you don't like bullying and mean girl behavior, so why bully me and mean girl to Carmella when you were this season? Okay, well, you know what? Okay, here's the straight answer, okay? Because, like, we don't do gay answers here. I should have just said I was wrong, okay? And it was not mom shaming her about going to Vegas. It was just about moving herself. And Heather goes, no, no. Okay, stand down. Stand down. You were mom shaming. Stand down.

14:16Ronnie Karam: Heather, I'm telling you the truth. I did not mom shame her. And I did not say, you're a terrible mother. I said, you're living in Corona Del Mar and you left your four kids back there. They're probably starving to death and there's no food in your home and you're lying about your home. That's all I said.

14:29Ben Mandelker: No, no, Vicky. No, no. No, no one on this couch agrees with anything that you just said. You are a mom shamer. Okay. You can be funny. You can be funny. But like, it's still true. And Carmelle's like, well, I'm a confessional, Vicki. You said it looks like Dani is doing her job.

14:45Ronnie Karam: I was just like, well, I did say, I did tell Vicki and Vegas that it's not okay what you said. And if you were a hostess, I would have you fired. But I do love you and I stand by you no matter what.

14:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but Vicki, you're saying that Dani's doing her job? Like, that's a dig at her as a mom. Thank you so much for giving that dig. I really appreciate you having a voice.

15:05Ronnie Karam: Yes. So Emily's like, you know, that's a crappy thing to say. It was like insulting to me. But when Shane insinuates that I'm a bad mother, I don't like that. You know, and Emily turns it into herself. Yeah. Or it's like, well, what about Shane calling me a bad mother? Okay. But you just talked about what a great guy Shane and it's how he told you you're a good mother. Let's move it forward.

15:25Ben Mandelker: Okay. I never said she wasn't taking care of her kids. Okay. She taught them how to take care of themselves. and that in its own way is how to take care of a kid, okay? She bought them latches, and now they're all latchkey children, and that's a wonderful thing. I'm not mom-shaming her. I'm just mom-stating. I'm stating her as a mother, what she does.

15:41Ronnie Karam: I'm never saying she wasn't shaming. I was not mom-shaming her. I was saying, you'll never be a Brianna. Okay?

15:47Ben Mandelker: I wasn't saying Danny's doing her job, because she doesn't actually have a real job, so how can you do a job that she doesn't have? I was like, get a Pop-Tart.

15:55Ronnie Karam: Get a Pop-Tart. You have nothing in your home for your children. What are your children eating capsules?

15:59Ben Mandelker: what are they eating cups for matching furniture listen okay okay let me explain okay danny was moving my car because i said you're the valet right and then i said he said i said wow it seems like a great relationship with the kids and he goes yeah i'm basically taking care of the kids because she's got to work up in orange county and i said oh she's doing that because she likes to abandon her children that's it that's all i said is she went to orange county to abandon her children and she doesn't want to have a relationship with them it's not mom shaming i'm just merely explaining geographical differences oh god sounds like well that is different than saying raising

16:27Ronnie Karam: the kids, Vicky, and said, well, we all raise our kids. Don't we? I mean, I do. I mean, Carmella does it, but you know what I'm saying. Sham, you're doing schematics. Is that the word? That's crazy. I don't know words. Is that funny? That's why you guys have loved me for 20 years.

16:41Ben Mandelker: I don't know words. Johnny from Been Waiting to Ask This Question for a Long Time apparently says, you criticized Megan King Edmund's parenting for her stepdaughter saying she was creating a monster, but then you also claimed in season in Tamra's sex party, that Tamra needs to be careful because she already lost one child. So, what do you have to say to Johnny?

17:03Ronnie Karam: And they're like, wow, I even forgot that one. Geez. Yeah, Vicky's terrible. She does this to literally every new person on the show. Or even older people. Johnny's been waiting a long time to ask that question. Johnny just laid it out for sure.

17:18Ben Mandelker: So, Andy's like,

17:21Ronnie Karam: the question isn't finished. the end part is what's the deal with you going after moms Megan Edmonds I never said anything that I never said that about her I never said that

17:31Ben Mandelker: flashback right what does she do all day if she doesn't go to high school okay like does she work does your daughter work okay so there's no accountability for her okay you're a critic monster yes not to even mention that oh yeah have fun five years when he leaves you by the way I think again I've said this before I think like I know people don't like mom shaming but I think there's sometimes where I think we're allowed to say it sometimes. You're creating a monster with this girl. Sometimes, it's true. I'm sorry. Well, not when you're not friends with somebody. That's even more when you get to do it.

18:08Ronnie Karam: Well, behind their back. I mean, listen, we can shame anybody we want behind their back. We're friends. But you can't just go up to someone on the plane and be like, oh my god. What are you doing? You're a terrible mother. Yeah.

18:22Ben Mandelker: And we should change that. We should change that, by the way. We should do that now. Public shaming. Your kid is really, you've got to fix that. And I will, I'm happy to receive the hate mail on that one. And I will say, I'm so sorry.

18:38Ronnie Karam: I don't think that you should go up to people and say you're a bad mother, but I think that we should have some kind of complaint form that we can file against each other, maybe anonymously.

18:48Ben Mandelker: I think you should, I agree. You should not.

18:50Ronnie Karam: It's called the internet. We can do that. You should not.

18:51Ben Mandelker: Listen. You should not walk up to someone and say you're being a bad mother. What you should do is you walk up to someone and you give them a look that goes, hmm. That's it. And then you keep going. Yes, exactly. That's what you do. You raise your eyebrows and then you look down and go, hmm. Yeah. And then you just keep going. That's how you do it.

19:06Ronnie Karam: You don't just tell. But Vicky's fucking terrible. Vicky's. Have some mystery about it. Yeah. So Tamara's like, well, I think you don't like me, people. And you're just trying to find things wrong with them. So you call them bad mothers. This is ridiculous. Yeah, well, across the board, I don't like new girls. Or bad mothers. Or new girls who are bad mothers. Or new mothers. I hate new mothers. I remember when Brianna was giving birth, I was so excited to see my little grandchild. But I went through there and other people were giving birth and I just kept passing by saying, Get a shot, you're a terrible mother.

19:35Ronnie Karam: Get a shot, you're a terrible mother.

19:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but you know what, though? You didn't like Emily and Gina when they showed up. And she's like, yeah, yeah. And he's like, but Gina's like, yeah, she did not like me. And Andy goes, yeah, you said they were boring.

19:50Ronnie Karam: i was like yeah and then you said how do they have a job and i don't i mean that's a good call

19:55Ben Mandelker: though i mean even an insurance clock is right two times a day seriously so um now it's a break

20:03Ronnie Karam: so all the ladies go to their trailers this is where shannon's like is my hair too boxum what shannon no one on this staff is going to tell you the truth okay we've learned that much

20:12Ben Mandelker: shannon's hair looks like the hillside that the hobbits built their little houses in like there should be a circle door on her face it's like that sloping that sloping shape um and i like

20:23Ronnie Karam: also when she says i'm sorry what are you doing i'm just rearranging how do you just stay in the same position for all this time um switching getting into a different position just i don't

20:32Ben Mandelker: know i just i just i'm just i'm staying still um so shannon when she's i like when she also says is this is my hair too boxed up she goes well we can't change it now

20:44Ronnie Karam: all right so um you know they're doing the regular go to each other's dressing rooms to cost it so tamra comes to emily's and um gina goes into vicky's and gina's like oh my god vicky something i really want to do is talk to you even when i don't have to just a girlfriend sitting in a dressing room how are you feeling how are you feeling i feel good i feel good like i'm like i'm

21:06Ben Mandelker: i'm i'm on a percocet right now they won't let me have percocet and champagne at the same time

21:09Ronnie Karam: oh god just get out of here i get you're in pain but we if you're not gonna give anything i feel like look people do need some medications for stuff but you shouldn't be allowed to come to a reunion drugged out like this i mean it has it's different pump rules well cocaine is different because it keeps you like but people taking like the downers like the amanda thing in summer house they're taking a beta blocker whatever the fuck is going on there's you shouldn't be able to take

21:37Ben Mandelker: downers before these it's not fair i just wish there was someone who could ask vicky if she just does she even really want to be on this show anyway gina goes i am she doesn't want she is

21:46Ronnie Karam: one of those people that i think she doesn't want it she just doesn't want anybody else to do it if

21:50Ben Mandelker: she's not doing it i was setting up a joke where after i said that that gina goes do you want to

21:55Ronnie Karam: continue to be part of this group oh my god i thought you were asking me a real question i thought you were opening for this i was not i really don't care so she's like yeah vicky do you don't want to be here really like ask yourself and she's like do you do you like well yeah i mean i know that definitively like have you seen the shopping i've been doing yeah do you see how i do everything the producers asked me to do have you seen like how much work travis does it's zero so

22:21Ben Mandelker: yeah i want to be on this show i just i mean like like i don't want to be defensive but i am i just i don't like these things right now i don't like this i don't like these hair clips of me okay that's okay i want to be here i want to i'm gonna do hair clip stuff okay so then we go to emily's trailer and tam is like how about you and how they're doing well i don't know i guess she was mad about the things i said in the press or something because you're constantly coming

22:42Ronnie Karam: for heather for no good reason yes so um tam is like well you know not everybody's we say what we feel but sometimes we're very creative and it's like yeah and tam is like

23:03Ronnie Karam: So Emily is like, you know, to be in this group and actually be friends and care about each other, you have to let a lot of things slide. Oh, that's Emily. Heather won't let any. Oh, yeah.

23:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's Emily letting things slide. Wait a second. When you took that fortune cookie at the end of the Chinese food last night, why didn't you ever think to maybe give that to someone else? Do you think that maybe you were being selfish in that moment when you took the cookie and didn't share it with someone?

23:27Ronnie Karam: I can't believe you had a fashion show and gave me size 8 jeans. That's your size. Still!

23:33Ben Mandelker: I can't believe that she gave me a gift that had a vibrator in it, but also a nice thing. God, I love the way I just let things slide off my back.

23:40Ronnie Karam: Literally, and especially with Heather. You've done this every year with Heather. We're like, we and Heather were friends. And then you're fake, you're mean, you're this. You don't let anything slide. Get out of here.

23:50Ben Mandelker: Then Jen, meanwhile, is talking in her trailer and she's like, it's just so weird being on the couch. And it's just like, I want to talk to Heather about being inauthentic and not taking ownership. But then being so forward and basing with the presentation of who she thinks everyone wants to be. How do you feel? What do you think about this, Carmella? Surely you have an opinion on it because she called you trash.

24:09Ronnie Karam: Carmella's like, I'm not really into fakeness. That's not my vibe. Which is why I gave somebody a $5 ,000 purse and a vibe married when I first met them and then gave someone $20 ,000 for no reason who had no experience in real estate.

24:24Ben Mandelker: So then there's... Yeah. So then outside the trailers, Tamara's talking to Heather and she's like, oh my god, what's going on? She's like, I am stressed. God, I would love a cigarette. Isn't that so fun and sassy and almost a bit French? She's like, you don't smoke cigarettes? I used to. I used to back in my days of being a star-brand artist in New York City, smoking cigarettes and eating za. Za.

24:52Ronnie Karam: Smoking za. Smoking za and eating cigarettes. It's like we did in college. Just us girls. It was the same. Carol had the same thing this week. It was so funny there. Za. A lot of the memories of both just trying to be like, we're just such carefree girls walking down the street with our za. Okay, so.

25:12Ben Mandelker: Tamara says, you know what, like, so I was talking to Emily and she said you a matter because I said well you know Heather's just very sensitive and I love Heather goes you have to stop saying that I'm sensitive I am not sensitive I'm only sensitive when I care and if I care about you and I love you or I feel like you can dust the curtains very well then I get sensitive

25:37Ronnie Karam: just a face Heather makes and she's like do not call me sensitive so intense but of course Tamara you know like Gemma has some seasons that are iconic and amazing, and she has some seasons that she's trying to be nice and don't really work. But no matter what, she is always at least trying to make things happen, and slightly less subtly than Emily. But at this point, she really has no choice. She goes right to Emily's room, and they're like, We need to just be honest. And then she goes straight to Heather. Emily was just saying, I'll just say, you're fake.

26:10Ben Mandelker: I know. And Heather's had it. I mean, I get it. She's like, yeah, Heather's sensitive. but it's like you have Emily constantly and Tamara constantly saying, you're sensitive, you're sensitive. When Tamara and Emily are like the two most fragile people and the moment that something is like slightly shattered for them, they lose their mind and laugh. Yes.

26:27Ronnie Karam: And also, I think the thing about Heather, and look, I've been anti-Hether a lot of seasons and I'm enjoying her so much more now. And I think it's because she is fake, but she's also very honest if you confront her. Like they confront her and then I'm like, you did call her trash. She's like, great, I did. And now I have to tell her because I know, you know, and she goes to the person. Then they're like, well, you also said she shouldn't be on the show. You're right. I did say that. Those were different conversations. Oh, okay. So you weren't just calling her fake. You also had another conversation.

26:56Ronnie Karam: Yes. I've also just like come to really. She's telling the truth. They're making it sound like she's lying and going on. But if they ask her, she tells them the truth.

27:04Ben Mandelker: I also just have come to appreciate like she destroys people so easily. Like when she is not trying to be like a person with the people and she just decides, like, when she scolds someone and she just decides, I'm going to destroy you. Like, it's actually, like, a work of art when she does it. And this season's also kind of separate because she's trying to get along with people. And I'm like, no, be the Heather that when you are upset at someone, you just end them. Because, like, they're not smart enough to keep up with her.

27:34Ronnie Karam: Well, you also can't bring someone down who does not give a fuck about you. And Heather does not care. Like, she's going to show up to do the show. but she doesn't care what Gina thinks. Like she's not sitting around on the phone with Gina. That's my favorite part of this too. Or Carmella for that matter. So we get into this, they start coming for her and saying that she's really fake and confronting her about this. And then the confrontation goes to, you were the one who called Carmella trashy. You're right. And I admitted to calling Carmella trash. Okay. Well, you also had a conversation with the producers that Carmella shouldn't even be on the show.

28:11Ronnie Karam: You're right. I did. And the reason was because she lives so far away and she's in the opposite direction. I live far away this way. So if I have to go see Carmela, I have to now come not only to Orange County, but all of this way.

28:25Ben Mandelker: For instance, do you know how the sanitation department will keep the dump away from people? And Carmela lives away. All I'm saying is let's not keep the zoning like that. Trash stays in the trash area. Rich stays in the rich area. that's it but anyway then they start talking about actually the first thing they start talking about is Heather's wealth because Vicky was like she inherited it they got it from Terry's brother so Heather is furious about this and her whole thing is like you don't know where we got our money this is someone who worked at Kentucky Fried Chicken he worked hard he was the best waiter and he was a waiter through medical school don't you ever talk about the inheritance that is the foundation of our wealth again.

29:15Ronnie Karam: Well, and then Vicky, of course, not admitting anything, but also still being a total asshole. You know, like not apologizing for anything, but still being an asshole. She said, you know what? I should have said that. Like, maybe they didn't inherit their wealth. I don't know. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. Oh, okay. Thank you.

29:30Ben Mandelker: Well, she's telling you that she didn't, though. Well, I don't think, you know, Vicky, I don't think you said maybe. I don't think you said maybe when you said that.

29:39Ronnie Karam: and it's also who cares if you inherited your wealth it's none of your fucking business vicky

29:44Ben Mandelker: okay maybe they did inherit but it doesn't mean you're not successful it just means that you're

29:50Ronnie Karam: like less fun in a successful way you know so vicky takes a whole like i made myself you also tried to like sell cancer vitamins for bro i mean you're just such an asshole vicky like please you're such a scammer you did so much like to comfort how anybody makes their money i know but

30:06Ben Mandelker: attractive. I'm not criticizing you. I felt it.

30:10Ronnie Karam: I felt it. I looked at my watch.

30:12Ben Mandelker: I looked at my watch. We have a dinner to go to. Oh, well.

30:16Ronnie Karam: Basically, welcome to the hostess. Come here, turn towards me. You have a sweater fuzz on your head. We were just talking about how we ate sweater fuzz on our bald heads.

30:26Ben Mandelker: If you ever pluck the sweater fuzz off of my skull again, it will cost you a lot. Because you know why? It bothers Terry. Nothing bothers this man. nothing unless I say you cannot wear your black leather coat tonight but it bothered Terry Terry has made fried chicken

30:46Ronnie Karam: I didn't know that Terry used to work at KFC

30:49Ben Mandelker: did we know that? I think he said it a few times but we just drowned it out it's kind of like when I tell people I used to drive Uber and people are like we get it Ben this man

30:56Ronnie Karam: has one of the oh we see a clip of Heather being like well you know like I don't care what people say but I mean I did work in Kentucky Fried chicken and now I own arguably the biggest plastic surgery practice in the country and I actually turn human faces into fried chicken looking slat. And so good for me. I'm just like, yes, you did it. I love watching rich people congratulate themselves.

31:25Ben Mandelker: Just tell Vicky to fuck off. Well, Jessica in Branson, Missouri says you are the most pessimistic person about my family. Whoa, gosh, Jessica. Oh, it says Jesse. Oh, no, it actually says Stephen. I'm so confused. Anyway, Heather, it seems like Vicky always has a problem with the tone in which you spoke to her. Do you think that you took a tone with her after this season, Heather?

31:47Ronnie Karam: Well, if she did, I probably deserved it. So Heather's like, well, we talked about it in Vegas when I said no. No. Stand down. We don't talk about children.

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33:54Ronnie Karam: so um heather's like uh well andy's like okay ricard's from island said jen heather claimed in the press that the two of you never talked about tamra between seasons oh right okay okay and then when filming started you said heather

34:10Ben Mandelker: was talking behind tamra's back what's the truth yes i would like to know the truth of this as well Well, you know the truth already.

34:17Ronnie Karam: You know the truth already.

34:18Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I was practicing my lines for my Law & Order SVU audition. I would like to know the truth as well. Dum, dum. Dum, dum.

34:28Ronnie Karam: So Jen's like, well, the truth is, you know, we've had very real conversations, me and Heather, about Tamara and how she feels about you. And then I thought, you know, it doesn't make sense when you just won't say to Tamara because you want to curate your character. That's what everybody does. If I said everything I say in private to Ben, I would be in prison.

34:45Ben Mandelker: or sued. Yes, exactly. And that's why I will get to the bottom of it on Law and Order, Battle of the Sexes with Jerry O 'Connell. So Heather says, Law and Order.

34:58Ronnie Karam: Not inherited. Not inherited edition.

35:03Ben Mandelker: Law and Disorder, Emily's Hair Edition. So Heather says, Okay, this is how I feel about this. We all went out last year after the reunion. We had dinner. We talked about Tamara. She knows this. I said she was a little cup fitness. I said she was a little twat. I said she was an annoying yappy dog. She knows this.

35:27Ronnie Karam: Well, that's the thing. They're saying you talked about Tamara after the reunion last year at that dinner and then you're pretending you're such a good person. No, the season started off with them going to their weird scarf decorating shop. Remember the scarf decorating shop? And Tamara's like, you don't even talk to me. Why do you not like me? And she's like, I put you into a box because you behave a certain way. And if we're going to get along, I have to know what I'm going to get because you've been a monster, basically. So she was not. This is crazy. Just acting like she never said anything about you.

35:56Ronnie Karam: And Heather's like, I can't believe they're making me stand up for Heather this much. This is crazy.

36:01Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like, listen, we all should talk to her. Like, it was hilarious. I left myself to sleep last night just thinking about all the terrible things we said about you, Tamara. And I told you that. She did. She told me. She told me. but they it turns out what they're upset about is that heather was they were all talking shit about about tamra but then the next day heather called up tamra and told tamra everything that they were saying but like i understand why that's frustrating it's like wait i thought we're all talking shit together and then you just like you just ratted us out but the thing is that that is what emily and gina do all the time i was talking to shannon and shannon said that yeah Like all the time.

36:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Heather's like, you know what, Jen? Because Jen's really coming. And like, why are you pretending you're, you know, friends with Tamara when you're, you know, you're talking about Tamara. So she's like, you know what, Jen? Here's what I think. You want Tamara to go down. So you are trying to get me to do it.

37:01Ben Mandelker: Which was a great turn. Like Heather basically used the language of like Emily and Gina. They're always cooking up these conspiracy theories. And Heather's like, I'm going to do it now. And Jen was like, wait, you think I want Tamara to go? I'm not following that, actually. Okay, what I'm saying is that you are a manipulator here, and I'm the victim. Yeah. Yeah.

37:24Ronnie Karam: And Jen's like, Tamara, Tamara, do you feel like I want you to go down? Do you feel like I want you to go down? And Tamara's like, I know what the fuck's wrong. I'm the boy. The dream is, Tamara.

37:32Ben Mandelker: Tim was like, I'd really considered it, but that would be kind of a fun storyline to get mad at you about that. Yeah, sure, okay.

37:41Ronnie Karam: So Shanna's like, well, you know, Heather, the thing that threw Jen off was basic math and words longer than three letters. Also, you know, I heard that there was a dinner and there was not positive things spoken about you. Agreed. I remember that. I remember not speaking highly leave Tamara.

38:03Ben Mandelker: No, yeah, we laughed. I told her how we all of us laughed almost in unison. It was actually one of the most bonding moments when we talked too much. We all hated Tamara, and she knows that.

38:13Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, when we left at dinner, and I may be speaking for you. Yep, you can't do that. You're not union. Well, that's it. You know, Emily, you did think that Heather would be calling her the next day. Did you think that? No. Okay, well, between the reunion dinner and the day we start filming, she doesn't come up one time. But then we start filming and suddenly you're very upset about it and you have to talk to me about it on the camera.

38:39Ben Mandelker: So are you saying that whenever you and I talk, did you not tell me I know exactly who this woman is and I know exactly what she's capable of? You didn't like that I showed a side of you that you shared off camera.

38:50Ronnie Karam: By the way, this is something you put on me. What?

38:53Ben Mandelker: No, no, no. I didn't put it, but thank you so much. Yes, you are. Thank you so much for letting me put it on you. I mean, listen, you should own up to the fact that you know you say shit you know you did it to her all season you talk shit like head like i'm not gonna say heather doesn't talk shit i'm sure heather talks a huge amount of shit but you guys are all talking shit we watch it for months on end yeah so now do we finally turn to this carmella

39:18Ronnie Karam: thing i mean i've already kind of brought up the carmella thing this other thing was longer than i thought but it was a big thing so um now you know we break we move it to carmella like i mean you're I mean, everybody can be, and then you're nice to their face. Look at Carmela. You called her trashy. So this is when Heather's like, yes, I did. But I didn't know her. I apologized for that weird picnic thing.

39:41Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, apparently Gina, like, did you find it hypocritical to attack Heather over the trashy comment when you doubted and judged Carmela for the better part of the season over her career title and spending? And then we see unseen footage. Because Tamara's like, I mean, a pirate. They didn't even try some of it. And we see footage. of Tamara saying that Carmella had made$1.4 million last year. Carmella had mentioned that. And Gina goes, you know, it's all just like money, money, money to me. Like, usually the thing that you're talking about the most is the thing you have the least of. I'm like, oh, should we go back to your shopping habits?

40:15Ronnie Karam: Should we just go back to two episodes ago where you were screaming about how rich you are and how you've never been poor?

40:21Ben Mandelker: The weird part is that Gina doesn't talk about having storylines a lot, which then sort of ruins her theory about that's the thing you talk about the most, the thing you have the least of.

40:29Ronnie Karam: yeah um well she was gina was

40:37Ronnie Karam: get it get it um okay so gina so corral is like whatever fast forward it more unseen footage it was you can see why it's unseen it was literally terrible i can't believe you said those things about me i mean i sent a package so then she's saying wow you know like heather is just like she was so kind to me like my my son has a severe egg allergy and he couldn't eat donuts and then heather sent him donuts so i was like wow she sent him like i guess egg-free donuts and so i was like wow she must feel really bad heather's like i didn't do that because i felt bad i wanted to do it how to see how far i could get alfredo to ride a bike by the way if anyone sends anyone carbs on

41:25Ben Mandelker: the show that is not a kind thing to do so carmella is like uh who talked about my hair oh i'm the one that was me i did i did mention your hair while you call and jenny's because emily's like you called her trashy and you said her hair sucked well okay well one of you guys said she had zebra striped hair after you saw a picture of her so i may have said the trashy part but you guys highlighted what the trash looked like i never said that i just had a face that's a move and

41:52Ronnie Karam: and she looks like a crazy person. I don't believe one thing she's saying.

41:56Ben Mandelker: Oh, I mean, Heather, I mean, I love you to death, which is a lie. I actually can't stand you. But I said, oh, I saw a picture of you and Carmella that was just posted of you two filming, and then you said, did you see her trashy hair?

42:08Ronnie Karam: But I say that about all of you every time I watch this show. Have you seen your own trashy hair?

42:14Ben Mandelker: No, I said, did you see that, period? Trashy hair.

42:18Ronnie Karam: I'm not the one who brought up the hair. You guys brought up there. I said she was trashy. You said her hair was ugly. Tamara said she had no...

42:26Ben Mandelker: I don't talk about garbage styling.

42:30Ronnie Karam: The way they just keep shitting all over Carmella. Carmella's just sitting there. And they just keep passing. I called her trashy. You said her hair sucked.

42:39Ben Mandelker: No, well, after the Nobu dinner, I say it that way, Nobu, I sat between Carmella and you, and you leaned over and you said, Oh, Carmella, you look beautiful. I love that. We should go shopping together. when we all know you think she has trash hair.

42:54Ronnie Karam: So I can't go shopping with people with ugly hair. What do you want like that? She's like, so. Well, I'm getting there. I said, so. Go ahead, Emily. She's like, well, I'm getting there. You go into my house. You've been going on and on now.

43:07Ben Mandelker: I loved Heather going, so. So and. Oh, I love that, because that's the thing that drives Emily mad.

43:13Ronnie Karam: So and. Or as we say in Groundlings, yes and.

43:17Ben Mandelker: Do you have to be snarky? Can't I just have my own monologue for once? No, I was just acknowledging it. I was saying it was wonderful that this poor person finally memorized some lines.

43:27Ronnie Karam: You said she should get off the show because she's trashy.

43:29Ben Mandelker: And she's like, those were two different conversations. By the way, are you like, do you have like a homing device against me? I don't know what that means. Is that a reference to how Carmela isn't really a real estate person?

43:46Ronnie Karam: Carmella you said on the after show that probably nobody watched that it was a trashy comment it wasn't the trashy comment that got to you it was the heatherwood text i can't wait to see you

43:55Ben Mandelker: i texted her one time and i thought i was texting josh altman so Carmella's like well i didn't really feel good it didn't feel authentic because she was like i can't remember for you and she

44:07Ronnie Karam: didn't even add like an emoji just was like i don't know things are where they are right now I was like, water off a duck's ass.

44:12Ben Mandelker: I'm like, no, don't let it be water off a duck's ass. Like, feel something, say something. Yeah, exactly.

44:17Ronnie Karam: But they've already discussed this a million times. I think even Carmella's exhausted. She's like, oh, yeah, I was really hurt that someone called me trashy. But whatever, what are you going to do? So now, what does Gina think? Since Heather used Carmella as a realtor instead of Gina. Oh, God. And Gina goes into this long monologue of, wow, you know, like, what really happened? man, and then we even had a conversation off camera about how important real estate is to me. So then to use another realtor, that was what really hurt. Who cares? You are not qualified to do that deal.

44:53Ben Mandelker: Period. And what was great is that this just, this is all going to tee up just a fabulous line from Heather to end the episode. So Heather's like, honestly, the mean things that you have said about me, Gina are crazy. And now Heather's eyes are seeing black. She's like, I've tried to be nice. I've tried to be like of the people here and it is time to go back to my natural form. She does the big eyes, she gets the button eyes. She's like, I will not have Gina lecture me.

45:18Ronnie Karam: Yes, sirree. She gets the Coraline mother eyes. I love when she does this. It's like you see the fire rising up behind her. You feel it? You're like, oh, it's happening. Gina just keeps ending this whole episode. Oh my god. She's the one who started everything with Carmella, her and Emily.

45:35Ben Mandelker: It's like the table starts to shake a little bit.

45:37Ronnie Karam: You're like, it's happening. Yes, Heather is not going to take any more of this from a poor person. So Gina's like, I mean, you're mean. She's like, you have been so mean to me. But mean things you've said about me. What, name one thing that's mean that Heather has said about you. I know.

45:53Ben Mandelker: You took a shot at my engagement ring at the beginning of the year. I said, oh, you said it was fake. And I go, oh, I thought it looked rainbowy. It was a joke. It's a joke that rich people say. Wait a minute.

46:05Ronnie Karam: There are rainbows in this neighborhood now?

46:08Ben Mandelker: they're gonna turn our children friends you didn't know at the time though that this and that's what i'm saying you didn't know it was fake at the time i'm like she's rich she knows she knows it's fake and the myth you have now is maybe not fake i don't know but it's also like

46:24Ronnie Karam: this big i mean heather's wearing a diamond as big as her head heather knows you know

46:30Ben Mandelker: it's like it was a joke well but I have a sense of humor since when no you don't you went on the last episode and said Heather is the sparkliest something in the sandbox but isn't it crazy that no one wants to be friends with her

46:46Ronnie Karam: but that was a joke I can't believe it

46:49Ben Mandelker: oh okay the exact same thing okay well I but I totally get that because it probably takes someone I don't know secure and strong and successful to be my friend and maybe that's not you it was such i cheered i cheered there was one point actually

47:06Ronnie Karam: that we didn't go where heather was standing up for herself against emily and gina and i was like whatever heather we can never go against you and just win we lose every time i was like you do so why do you keep doing it every single you guys are not equipped for this i mean this is such a

47:22Ben Mandelker: devastating line just it probably takes someone i don't know secure and strong and successful to

47:28Ronnie Karam: be my friend and maybe that's not you that she put successful in there was crazy and then even

47:33Ben Mandelker: camera's like well wow love it i rarely say this but i actually am gooped and gagged on that one like that was such a line and that's why heather earns her keep and comes back on the show and we and we welcome her back even if you can't stand her like that's why she is here and gina's like oh my god and like also gina just saying like it was a joke to heather and then heather says something and june goes june is like but it was a joke like i mean or whatever it was yeah

47:59Ronnie Karam: pretty good so it's worth it for you know these shows are always worth it for moments like those i know it was it was like it felt great well thanks so much for being here everybody we are in dc we will see uh some of you or a lot of you hopefully at our show in dc this what is today even this saturday night tomorrow night maybe whenever you're listening to this what do i know But we'll see you in D.C. Go to WatchWhatCrappens.com Sorry about that again, Houston But we'll see you in Dallas and Austin this week as well Go to WatchWhatCrappens for the rest of our dates And we'll talk to you guys next time

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