First Friday: We Lost 23,000 Jobs, Yet Somehow Unemployment is Down?!?!

7 Aug 2026 · 57 min · 25 chapters

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In short

Macro “First Friday” roundup on the July jobs report (23,000 jobs lost; unemployment down), inflation fears, Fed expectations for September, bond yields (30-year Treasury ~5.2%), mortgage rates (~6.78%), unemployment claims (lowest since 1969), and housing affordability/real estate regional divergence; plus a segment on gold’s rebound.

Guest backgrounds

No guests are named in this transcript. The host references prior interviews (e.g., Beth Kobliner) and an upcoming interview with Kenny Burgos (CEO, New York Apartment Association), but they are not present as guests in this episode.

Key claims

  • Jobs and unemployment moved opposite ways due to measurement differences (BLS payroll jobs vs unemployment/labor force status), plus revisions.
  • Hiring is concentrated in healthcare, private education, and social assistance; manufacturing/wholesale and leisure/hospitality, retail, and financial services are weak.
  • Unemployment claims (initial jobless claims) hit 187,000 for week ending July 18, lowest since 1969.
  • Long-term yields spiked because investors demand inflation protection; higher yields raise borrowing costs and mortgage rates.
  • Gold rebounded on inflation/cooling-economy worries but is speculative (no interest payments).

Notable examples

  • June revised from +57,000 to +20,000; May revised from +129,000 to +66,000.
  • Mortgage rates rose from ~6.5% end of June to ~6.8% end of July.
  • Housing list-price divergence: New York +8% vs Tampa -4.8%; Austin -8.5% vs NY, ~16.5-point gap.

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Unpacking the Jobs Report

0:45 to 3:24

Discussion on the surprising job losses and declining unemployment rate.

“at the data, what's happening in the economy around us.”

Understanding Job Surveys

3:24 to 5:38

Explanation of how job surveys differ and impact unemployment statistics.

“So if you're wondering, how is this possible?”

Low Hire, Low Fire Environment

5:38 to 7:06

Analysis of hiring trends and sector performance in the current economy.

“So we are very much in a low hire, low fire environment.”

The Fed's Role in Employment

7:06 to 7:59

Exploring the Federal Reserve's objectives regarding unemployment rates.

“If you zoom out and you take the average of the last three months, we're averaging growth of around 20 ,000 jobs a month.”

Investing in 30-Year Bonds

7:59 to 10:32

Personal account of buying a 30-year bond and its implications.

“So I just did something I've never done before.”

Bond Yields and Inflation

10:32 to 13:34

Discussion on how inflation concerns affect bond yields and investor behavior.

“By maturity, we mean for the duration of time.”

Secondary Market for Bonds

13:34 to 14:00

Explaining the concept of the secondary market for bonds and its importance.

“We would buy something different called TIPS.”

Understanding Bond Yields and Markets

14:00 to 15:28

Learn about the implications of high bond yields and their effect on the market.

“But if that happens, let's say that inflation gets even worse, what would happen is yields would climb even higher.”

Consequences of High Bond Yields

15:29 to 19:41

Explore how high bond yields impact stock investments and potential recessions.

“And now let's talk through the consequences of what it means to have such a high yield.”

Consequences of High Bond Yields

21:21 to 22:44

Explore how high bond yields impact stock investments and potential recessions.

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Consequences of High Bond Yields

24:26 to 25:16

Explore how high bond yields impact stock investments and potential recessions.

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Analyzing Unemployment Trends

25:34 to 28:00

Delve into the significance of low unemployment claims and their implications.

“Applications for unemployment benefits are at their lowest level since 1969.”

Youth Unemployment Challenges

28:00 to 29:06

Explore the difficulties young adults face in today's job market.

“In other words, entry-level jobs are the hardest to get.”

Navigating Job Fairs and Networking

29:06 to 31:04

Learn strategies for job seekers to connect with potential employers.

“working in jobs that are not befitting their level of training or skill.”

Income Trends by Age Cohorts

31:04 to 35:06

Understand income growth trends across different age groups since 1989.

“If you're under 25 or even under 30, if you haven't yet made a name for yourself, built a reputation, you're just starting out, you're new to a field, I should say, I guess I should amend this.”

Interest Rates and Mortgage Insights

35:06 to 36:52

Examine the relationship between interest rates and housing costs.

“broad strokes of giant clusters of age cohorts, there is good news, which is every age cohort is doing better than they were as compared to the year of Taylor Swift's birth, 1989.”

Housing Affordability Crisis

36:52 to 41:18

Delve into the factors contributing to the housing affordability crisis.

“It makes that cost of living more expensive.”

Real Estate Market Overview

41:18 to 42:07

Get an update on pending home sales and market activity.

“In fact, they are so likely to do so that arguably that is at least to some extent being priced in to the 10-year Treasury, which is already reflecting in mortgage rates.”

Real Estate Market Trends

42:07 to 47:14

Explore the current trends in the real estate market, including sales data and regional price variations.

“therefore have a golden handcuff scenario where they are locked into the home that they have, that lock-in effect is expected to persist.”

Real Estate Market Trends

48:41 to 50:08

Explore the current trends in the real estate market, including sales data and regional price variations.

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Gold Market Analysis

51:16 to 56:00

Discuss the fluctuations in gold prices, factors influencing them, and potential future trends.

“So gold was in the toilet for a little while.”

Global Economic Trends and Gold

56:00 to 57:25

Learn about the global shift in confidence towards the US dollar and the rise in gold investments.

“As many central banks around the world started saying, you know what, we're starting to lack confidence in the US dollar and we no longer want that to be the world reserve currency.”

Understanding the 530A Accounts

57:25 to 58:33

Discover the details and implications of the newly launched 530A accounts for minors.

“will speak volumes about what's going on in the economy.”

Benefits of Opening a 530A Account

58:33 to 1:01:16

Explore how the 530A accounts can benefit minors and the importance of opening one.

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Sharing the Financial Message

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0:00The jobs report is spicy. The U.S. rather unexpectedly lost 23 ,000 jobs last month, even though unemployment is down. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about inflationary fears. We're going to talk about the latest Fed meeting and expectations of what the Fed's going to do in September. We're going to talk mortgage rates. We're going to talk the bond market. We're going to cover a lot right now on this first Friday episode. Welcome to the Afford Anything podcast, the show that knows you can afford anything, not everything. This show covers five pillars, financial psychology, increasing your income, investing, real estate, and entrepreneurship, acronym double I FIRE.

0:40Normally on Fridays, we air interviews, but once a month on the first Friday of the month, we take a macro economic look at the data, what's happening in the economy around us. And so welcome to the August, August 2026, First Friday episode. The U.S. lost 23 ,000 jobs in July, according to the latest data released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They always release their data on the first Friday of the month, which is why we do these episodes on the same day. But, and here's the weird part, even though we lost 23 ,000 jobs, the unemployment rate also dropped from 4.2 % down to 4.1%. Meanwhile, we also revised June's total.

1:28So in June, originally the BLS reported that we had grown by 57 ,000 jobs. They did a revision, which is standard procedure, but they downwardly revised June's total down to 20 ,000. They also downwardly revised May's number. Originally, May was reported to have gained 129 ,000 new jobs. That was downwardly revised by half, dropping to 66 ,000 jobs in May. So just to go over that again, downward revision shows that we grew by 66 ,000 jobs in May, which is half the number that we previously thought. Downward revision shows that we grew by 20 ,000 jobs in June, which is one third of the number that we originally thought.

2:12and the report for July shows that we lost 23 ,000 jobs. That was a huge shock because across the board, economists were expecting a job gain of 95 ,000 jobs. So it very much defied expectations. And when we talk about expectations, we should also talk about the ADP report because the ADP publishes two days prior to First Friday. They are a private payroll processing company. and they always publish a report based entirely on private sector data. And the ADP report showed an increase of 44 ,000 jobs in July. Between a positive ADP report and overall analyst expectations, the fact that we lost jobs in July really caught a lot of people by surprise.

3:03That being said, the unemployment rate has also declined. and the number of people who are applying for unemployment benefits, and we'll talk about this in more detail later in this episode, but the number of people who have applied for unemployment benefits is at its lowest point since 1969. So if you're wondering, how is this possible? How could it be that we shed jobs and yet unemployment is also ticking down? How are both of those things simultaneously possible? Well, there are a couple of possibilities. One possibility is that more people are deciding to become self-employed. So the BLS issues two different types of surveys.

3:49One is called the Establishment Survey. This is a survey where they ask businesses and government agencies about their payrolls, and they count the total number of jobs. So in the establishment survey, they're looking at the number of payroll jobs that are out there. So if a person decides to become self-employed, they're not counted. If a person holds two jobs, and then later they decide to go down to only one job, that would technically count as a job loss, as the reduction of one payroll job, assuming that that job does not get filled by somebody else. So that individual would still be employed, but now they've gone from two jobs down to one.

4:30That's how the jobs report is assembled. It's counting the number of payroll jobs that are out there. By contrast, the unemployment rate uses a different survey. The unemployment rate asks people, individuals, about their work status. And so if you're self-employed, you count. if you used to have two jobs, but now you only have one job, your status doesn't change. If you give up entirely and decide that you're no longer actively looking for work, then you would no longer qualify as unemployed because unemployed only references people who want a job but can't get one. And that's reflected in a different stat called labor force participation.

5:11Those are some of the factors, multiple job holders, self-employment. Those are some of the factors that can make these numbers move in opposite directions. Or it could also be, remember I mentioned that revisions are a standard part of the process. It could also be the case that this number might get revised, possibly even into something positive. So we will have to see whether or not this number withstands the revisions because there are standard revisions that happen. But it's also the case that when we look at the revised numbers for May and June, They don't look good. So we are very much in a low hire, low fire environment.

5:48We'll talk more about that later in the episode. But the other thing that I want to note from the data is that the hiring that is happening is really concentrated in just a couple of sectors, healthcare, private education, and social assistance. We're seeing a lot of jobs in those areas. We're seeing some jobs in construction, some in transportation and warehousing, but we're seeing mostly stagnation in manufacturing and wholesale trade, and we're seeing declines in leisure and hospitality, in retail, and in financial services. It's actually notable because the data is seasonally adjusted. It is notable that we're seeing declines in leisure and hospitality, given that we just hosted the World Cup across June and July.

6:35So we shed jobs in the leisure and hospitality sector even while hosting the World Cup. Either there's some seasonal adjustment error in the data, or the leisure and hospitality sector has figured out how to be as productive as it needs to be with fewer people, or the leisure and hospitality sector is shrinking, or some combination of the three. Overall, the jobs report really tells the story of low hire, low fire. We're not growing many new jobs. If you zoom out and you take the average of the last three months, we're averaging growth of around 20 ,000 jobs a month. It's not great, but also unemployment is at historic lows and has remained steadily low for a long time.

7:24And the Fed's job, if you think about the role of the Fed, their job is to keep unemployment low, that's part of their dual mandate, to keep unemployment at a manageable number, their job is not necessarily to create the conditions for job growth. Their job is simply to not let unemployment get out of hand. And given that unemployment is low, then even if jobs aren't being created, as long as unemployment stays low, they have some freedom to be able to raise interest rates if that's what they choose to do. And that leads to our next story. So I just did something I've never done before. I bought a 30-year bond.

8:12I know, right? I have never, never have I ever owned a 30-year treasury bond before. In fact, I had to go to Treasury Direct and set up an account because I have always had an all equities portfolio, but 30-year bond yields hit 5.2 % and I couldn't resist. Impulse buy. Standard disclaimers apply. This is not investing advice. I'm not telling anybody what to do. I'm just talking about what I myself personally have done and how this ties into what's going on in the world around us today. The saga began last week when the Fed met and had, in Kevin Warsh's words, he's the Fed chair, in his words, a quote, good family fight.

8:57And if you're like, wait a second, he said that before. Yes, he has. That is like his favorite phrase. The Fed met and they had a good family fight and they voted to hold rates steady. There were three dissenting votes, But overall, they voted to hold rates steady and investors got spooked. And so because investors got spooked, the yield on long-term bonds hit the highest rate that it's been at since 2007. Highest rate in almost 20 years. What does that mean? This might be a good time to unpack some of the basics of what is a bond, how do they work, and why is this yield such a big deal? A bond is a loan that you give to an entity.

9:39In the case of treasuries, it's a loan that you give to the U.S. government. The reason it's considered so safe is because the U.S. government would have to default on its debt for you to not get paid back. That is highly unlikely to happen. It would be more likely that a company might default on their debt, that a city or a state might default on their debt. Or for some other country, sure, those are all more likely scenarios as compared to the scenario of the U.S. government defaulting. That's the last entity that would default. And if that ever happens, then we're all living in Armageddon anyway.

10:22So may God have mercy on your soul. For that reason, treasury bonds are considered very, very, very safe. if, and this is crucial, if you hold them to maturity. By maturity, we mean for the duration of time. So if it's a 30-year treasury bond, if you hold it for 30 years, then they'll pay you back the loan that you gave them. And throughout that 30-year period, you also get fixed payments every six months. Now, the term for this is coupon payments, but it's not like a coupon from a grocery store. Basically, you get a payment every six months for letting them borrow your money for 30 years. 30 years from now, I do not get paid back an inflation-adjusted amount.

11:1130 years from now, I get paid back the same nominal dollars. That means if I put$10 ,000 into a 30-year bond today, then 30 years from now, I would get back$10 ,000. But that$10 ,000 30 years from now would have decreased purchasing power. And so it's those coupon payments, those payments that I get every six months, that's where the real investment value of the bond is. And so when we say that a 30-year bond is now at a 5.2 % yield, what we mean is that over the span of the next 30 years, I get paid at that 5.2 % rate, and 30 years from now, I will get paid back the face value of the bond. So the reason that even though I've had an all equities portfolio until now, the reason that I decided to buy some bonds is because I could lock in 5.2 % for 30 years in a very low risk manner.

12:12Oh, oh, one caveat on locking it in. What I have actually locked in are the payments and the face value at the end. It's still up to me to reinvest every coupon payment. And if yields fall, then my checks are going to keep arriving at the same dollar amount, but the money that I redeploy is going to earn less. So caveat there. Why is it 5.2 %? Like when people say bond yields are spiking, why? What does that mean? Fundamentally, investors are saying, hey, if you want to borrow my money for the next 30 years, you need to pay me more. And right now, the definition of more is the highest point that it's been in the last 20 years.

12:59Well, 19 years to be precise. The highest point that it's been since 2007. So why would investors say that? Why would investors collectively say, if you want to borrow my money, you have to pay me more? It's because, as a group, we're very worried about inflation. And that's why we're demanding a higher bond yield, because we need to make sure, well, we can't make sure, but we want to increase the odds that the payout that we get will hopefully, but not guaranteed, hopefully beat the rate of inflation. Now, if we want a guarantee that it's going to be protected from inflation, we would not buy 30-year Treasury bonds.

13:41We would buy something different called TIPS. TIPS are Treasury Inflation Protected Securities. They have a lower yield, but they have a guarantee that they will keep pace with inflation. So with a 30-year Treasury bond, you do take the risk that the rate that you lock in may or may not beat inflation. But if that happens, let's say that inflation gets even worse, what would happen is yields would climb even higher. And if yields climb even higher, then what that means is that the price of that bond on the secondary market would drop. So now we're introducing a new concept, this new concept of the secondary market.

14:23Up until this point, everything that we've talked about hinges on the assumption that I'm going to hold this thing for the next 30 years. But what if I decide that I don't want to hold it for 30 years? What if five years from now, I want to get it this money? Well, I bought it through Treasury Direct, so I would have to transfer it to a brokerage like Schwab or Fidelity or Vanguard. And then through one of them, I could sell it on the secondary market. But the price that I would get for it depends on whether yields at that time are higher or lower than they are right now. If at the time that I want to sell it on the secondary market, if yields are higher, if yields have climbed to 7%, then if I were to sell it, I'd be taking a haircut.

15:11I'd be selling it at a lower price. By contrast, if yields are lower, then I would make a nice profit off of that sale. Or the other option is I could just hold it to maturity, which is 30 years in this case, and if I do that, then I'm guaranteed to get the face value back. There's your crash course, Bonds 101. And now let's talk through the consequences of what it means to have such a high yield. Because it sounds scary when you say that this is the highest yield that we've had since 2007. If you want to scare people, just say the word 2007. If you were born in the 1900s, you remember 2007, and you remember what followed 2008, and none of us want to relive that.

15:58Fun fact, babies that were born in 2008 are now old enough to vote. In my first take of this episode, I was going to say we all remember 2007, 2008. And then I realized there are adults listening to this show who actually don't remember 2007, 2008. But ask someone over 30 what that time was like. It was unpleasant and we don't want to go back there. That's why it sounds very scary to say that bond yields are back at that level. So let's talk through the consequences of that. Number one, every other investment now has to compete against this much safer alternative. Remember, we already discussed why treasury bonds are considered so safe.

16:48And so if you can put your money into something that is really freaking safe, If that is your comparative baseline, then any alternate investment that you decide to put your money into, stocks, real estate, any alternate investment needs to have a decent chance of a big upside in order to justify that risk premium. So this might, and I want to emphasize the word might, it might mean that fewer people buy stocks in real estate because they decide that stocks don't adequately have a risk premium that justifies that additional level of risk. and if fewer people buy stocks, stocks in particular, if fewer people pile into equities, that could potentially trigger a recession.

17:41Or particularly because we seem to be on the precipice of a big AI boom, it could be the case that equities just absolutely smoke bonds and the risk is well worth it and the stock market keeps booming and we all live happily ever after. Either of those possibilities could play out. But what we do know is that across the economy, borrowing is going to be, or already is, more expensive. And so when borrowing gets more expensive, it gets harder for companies to justify making those investments. And so if companies slow down their spending because borrowing is more expensive, that could trigger a recession.

18:23But of course, if that happens, then the Fed would lower interest rates. But they're not doing that. They're actually moving in the opposite direction. They're likely going to raise interest rates at their next meeting. Why? Because inflation is running out of control. It could be possible that we're heading for stagflation, which is a combination of high inflation and economic stagnation. That possibility is on the table. But one of the core pillars of stagflation is high unemployment. and we are not seeing any evidence of that. In fact, and we'll talk about employment a little bit later. In fact, we're seeing the opposite of that.

19:00Spoiler alert, applications for unemployment benefits are now at their lowest level since 1969. We're going to talk more about that later, but that's a spoiler alert for an upcoming segment that we're going to talk about in a moment. So we've got high inflation. we currently have an economic boom which may persist or may stagnate or may even backslide. And we have currently very low unemployment, which means while stagflation is on the table, it is not a central concern right now, largely due to the fact that we have such high employment. To recap and to wrap this all up, when long-term bond yields spike to their highest point in two decades, as they have right now, one of two things could happen.

19:51It might be the case that investors decide that stocks don't have enough upside to justify the risk compared to those high bond yields. that leads to investors, well, I guess like myself, selling out of some of their equities positions and into those bond positions as I've just done, although I've only done so with a very small portion of my portfolio, but this is a microcosm. Investors like myself, I've been all equities. I've sold out of some of my equities. I've used it to buy some bonds and that might happen in mass where investors decide to get out of equities and go into bonds because they don't think that the equity risk premium is justified and that causes the stock market to drop.

20:38That could trigger a recession. So that is one possibility that's on the table. Or it could be the case that investors are totally gung-ho about future prospects and they're super optimistic and they're super bullish and they keep piling into stocks and and stocks keep outpacing the high bond yields, and then everybody makes lots of money. That is also a possibility. Both options are on the table, and we will have to stay tuned to see where this goes. Earlier, I mentioned that applications for unemployment benefits has fallen to its lowest point seasonally adjusted since 1969. We're going to dive into that, plus much more, right after this word from the sponsors who make this show possible.

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25:34Applications for unemployment benefits are at their lowest level since 1969. What is particularly great about this is that applications for unemployment benefits is a more accurate measure than BLS data. because BLS, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, they collect a small sample and then they use very fancy math to extrapolate that to a larger population. But that fancy math is often wrong. That's actually not a bug, it's a known unknown. And that's the reason why the BLS has three revisions. So after one month, they'll do a revision. After two months, they'll also do a revision. And then annually, they do another revision.

26:19and that is a standard part of the process. But applications for unemployment benefits, that is much more straightforward. You've either filled out the form or you haven't. You've either applied for unemployment benefits or you haven't. There's less that can go wrong there. Now, the data is adjusted month to month for seasonal variation. So it's not raw data. It is adjusted data so that we can take seasonal context into account. But other than that, it's pretty clean. And by clean, what I mean is it's less subject to interpretation. It's less subject to errors as compared to BLS estimates. That's why it's such a big deal that we see that applications for unemployment benefits are now at their lowest level since 1969.

27:12So specifically for the week ending July 18, initial jobless claims fell to a seasonally adjusted 187 ,000. That's a decline of 22 ,000, and it is the lowest weekly total since the week ending September 6th, 1969. And when I initially wrote about this, I said that this was good news for job seekers. And someone made the point, and I thought this was an excellent point, it may or may not be good news for job seekers. It's definitely good news for job holders. We are in a low hire, low fire environment. If you've got a job, you're likely to keep it. But if you don't have one, it is still tough to get one.

27:57And particularly if you're young, we know, and we had an interview recently with Beth Kobliner who pointed out the unemployment rate for people between the ages of 22 to 27 is higher than the rate for the general adult population, meaning that people in their 20s specifically are having a disproportionately harder time finding a job. In other words, entry-level jobs are the hardest to get. So we're left with the task of squaring data that on the surface feels a little contradictory. On one hand, unemployment is at historic lows. Conversely, employment is at historic highs. Labor force participation is high.

28:44Unemployment claims are at their lowest since 1969. And simultaneously, youth unemployment is outpacing that of the general population. And what we can infer from that is that not only are more people in their 20s unemployed, it's also likely that many people in their 20s are underemployed. working in jobs that are not befitting their level of training or skill. I was on a panel recently with someone who was talking about how frustrating it is to apply to jobs and have AI screen out your resume. AI can feel like a cudgel, a crude instrument that screens out a lot of highly qualified candidates.

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29:31And if you are feeling that way and you're frustrated about your job search, Remember that small and mid-sized companies are less likely to be using AI as screening tools as compared to large companies, because big companies have a huge volume of applicants that they need to sift through, while small companies, a company with less than 50 employees, they might not be getting that same volume. But the thing is, if you go to a job fair or a career fair, you're not going to see small companies there because who takes out booths at job fairs or career fairs? Big companies. Because a big company that has a hundred job openings to fill, they're going to take out a booth at a career fair.

30:17A small company that has one or two job openings to fill, they're not going to take out a booth. That doesn't make any sense. And so often when people are applying, particularly young people, you go to your college career fair, the one that's held on campus, you're only going to see these big companies there because by definition, those are the ones who show up to career fairs. So look for smaller employers. They're less likely to use AI for screening. They're often more nimble, more flexible. Also remember getting an introduction from someone or getting referred by someone is often the best way in the door.

30:54I have a nuanced take on networking events because the whole like meeting in some ballroom to eat hors d 'oeuvres and sip a Sauvignon Blanc while having the same small talk conversation with 50 people, that is not in any way providing value to anyone. If you're under 25 or even under 30, if you haven't yet made a name for yourself, built a reputation, you're just starting out, you're new to a field, I should say, I guess I should amend this. If you're under 30 or you're midlife, but making a midlife career change. So if you're brand new to a field and you are literally just trying to get a bunch of cold introductions because you are the new kid on the block.

31:42All right. That makes sense in that circumstance. Outside of that, the best way to meet people is not by like juggling a puff pastry with a business card, or these days it would be your LinkedIn QR code. The best way to meet people is not by doing that. It is by providing some degree of value in a way that makes people talk about you because you want to be salient. When somebody hears about an opportunity, you want to easily come to mind. And if all you've done is stood in a crowded room, having the same insipid, what do you do? What do you do? Conversation over and over and over. That's not memorable.

32:23And your job is to be memorable. That comes from providing value. So some advice to job seekers out there. Speaking of jobs, I saw this really interesting chart. It came from the Fed's Survey of Consumer Finances. And it is your income categorized by your age from 1989 through 2022. And it's adjusted for inflation. Tracking that, so specifically it is pre-tax family income by age, classified by age of reference person. And if you look at this chart, again, from 1989 through 2022, every age cohort is doing better than they were in 1989, again, adjusted for inflation. So the under 35 crowd of today has a higher income and is doing better than the under 35 crowd of 1989.

33:17And that remains true for every age cohort. So 35 to 44, 45 to 54, 55 to 64. Actually, that age cohort peaked in 2004. So the ages 55 to 64 cohort is not doing as well as they were in 2004. But they are still way better off than they were in the late 80s. One thing to bear in mind, and again, we talked about this in the interview with Beth Kobliner. So if you haven't listened to that, go check that one out. That's a really solid one, and it specifically focuses on the 20s and 30s age cohorts. One thing to bear in mind is what I have just told you is flattened, cudgel, information about the entire under-35 cohort.

34:05But inside of that, there's a lot of variation. The experience of being 24 today is wildly different from the experience of being 30 today, because if you are 30 today, that means you are around 22 in 2018, which means if you've been investing in your 401k since the age of 22, let's say you graduated from college at 22 and opened a 401k account and you've been contributing to it regularly ever since, you probably have some assets that have grown over the last eight years. And that's why sometimes it can be, as I talked about with Beth, it can be a little flat to talk about people in their 20s in these broad brush strokes when a five or six year age gap can be decisive in terms of the assets that you've been able to accumulate.

35:00That being said, there is, at least when we zoom out and we look at big, broad strokes of giant clusters of age cohorts, there is good news, which is every age cohort is doing better than they were as compared to the year of Taylor Swift's birth, 1989. Mortgage rates have hit their highest level in over a year. The average 30-year fixed mortgage rate is, as of Monday, about 6.78%. Again, that's a one-year high, and there was a big increase between June and July. So at the end of June, rates were 6.5%. By the end of July, they were 6.8%. Remember, it was last week that the Fed met. So on July 29, the Fed announced that it was going to hold interest rates steady.

35:51And after they made that announcement, investors, as measured by the CME FedWatch tool, investors overwhelmingly began to predict a rate increase in September. Part of what is happening right now, not just with bonds, but also with the mortgage rate, because mortgage rate is tied to the 10-year treasury, investors are pricing in the probability of a rate hike in September. You know, the irony of a rate hike, and this is not commentary on whether or not they should hike rates. This is just the inescapable irony of the way our system is set up. The whole reason that the Fed raises rates is to keep inflation under control.

36:33But raising rates influences the 10-year treasury, which impacts mortgage rates, which makes housing more expensive. And so the very tool that the Fed uses to combat inflation actually makes the single biggest factor in the cost of living, which is housing. It makes that cost of living more expensive. There are some people who say, yeah, well, but higher rates might lower home prices as a result of reduced demand. Historically, that has not happened. Historically, there has been a weak positive correlation between higher rates and rising home values. Now, I will emphasize it is a weak positive correlation, but directionally, that has been the correlation.

37:19And largely that's because the Fed typically raises interest rates at times when the economy is booming, because that's usually when inflation is a concern and the Fed feels the need to put the brakes on the economy. And it is typically, historically speaking, during those boom times that the price of housing goes up. Now, that doesn't mean it necessarily has to be the case. And of course, supply plays a huge role in this. I think the examples that we see in both Austin and Central Florida show that we have examples of an economic boom coupled with home prices decreasing if you can flood the market with enough supply.

37:59When we look at historic trends, historically, we have not seen higher rates, higher mortgage rates, lowering home prices through reduced demand. Again, I'm not commenting on whether or not they should do it because certainly raising rates reduces overall borrowing and that decreases the velocity of money. And the Fed basically has two factors to work with. They've got the supply of money and they've got the velocity of money. So how much money is there and how quickly does it change hands? And raising rates overall means that money, generally speaking, changes hands more slowly or less often.

38:41Fewer people transact, companies borrow less, and overall, the idea is overall inflation comes down, but in the meantime, mortgage rates go up, so housing becomes even more expensive. I say this largely because I've been spending a lot of time lately thinking about issues related to housing affordability. We are going to have an excellent interview, well, I think it's excellent, with Kenny Burgos. He is the CEO of the New York Apartment Association, and it'll be a deep dive into the economics of housing in New York City. Obviously, New York is very different from the rest of the country, but what a fascinating place.

39:23Infinitely nuanced, infinitely complex. As I've been spending hours prepping for this interview and just peeling back the layers of the onion on housing, You know, there is perhaps nothing more important, both for an economy and for an individual, there is perhaps nothing more important than getting real estate right, financially speaking. I mean, for an individual, your career, of course, but outside of that career, the home or homes that you purchase, because most people don't just purchase one home and live in it for the rest of their life, the homes that you purchase, that is disproportionately your biggest expense.

40:04And then if you buy investment properties, rental real estate, a small handful of properties comprise a large portion of your portfolio. Getting it right is critical. And that starts with like a deep, deep understanding of how real estate works. So that's true at the individual level. And then you zoom out to the broader economic level. and real estate is the backbone of everything, of family, of mobility, of your ability to pursue a career by virtue of being able to move to a different geography where you don't have friends or family. All of that is to say that among the many things that I've been really thinking about for, I'd say probably about a month now, really deeply thinking about are the constellation of factors from mortgage interest rates, to the supply of lumber and copper to density caps and zoning restrictions, how all of this comes together to create this housing affordability crisis that we have in most parts of the country right now.

41:17All of that is to say the Fed is likely to raise interest rates in September. In fact, they are so likely to do so that arguably that is at least to some extent being priced in to the 10-year Treasury, which is already reflecting in mortgage rates. That effect may get amplified in September when the Fed actually does raise rates if it doesn't get fully priced in beforehand. And so mortgages, which are already at a one-year high, are likely to stay high if not climb higher. And that means the lock-in effect, which is people who hold low interest rate mortgages, two-handle or three-handle or even four-handle mortgages who don't want to give up their existing mortgage and therefore have a golden handcuff scenario where they are locked into the home that they have, that lock-in effect is expected to persist.

42:17A couple other points I'll make before I round out the shower thoughts on real estate. Pending home sales rose 1.3 % nationally year over year in July. That's the eighth consecutive month of gains. So homes are moving. Buyers are active. They're signing contracts. Seasonally, there tends to be a cooling off period. Nationally speaking, during the summer, of course, your region may vary. but data from the Census Bureau shows that single-family new home sales ticked up by 1.6 % in June to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of$628 ,000. Directionally, that's good. It's subtle, but it's directionally good.

42:56Same deal actually with home prices. National list prices are down 2.4 % from last year, and 20 % of active listings had a price reduction in July, so So sellers are adjusting their expectations in order to get their properties to move, in order to attract buyers. But we are seeing one thing that's interesting when we start looking at the data is that we are seeing more variation between the states. So New York State, so I just mentioned nationally, list prices are down 2.4%. In the state of New York, prices are up 8%. By contrast, in Tampa, list prices per square foot are down 4.8%. So that delta between, so Tampa is down almost 5%, New York is state, New York state is up 8%.

43:46So we're talking about in terms of percentage points, a delta of nearly 13%. That delta is even bigger when you look at Austin. So Austin has seen an 8.5 % drop in price per square foot. So there, I mean, comparing Austin to the entire state of New York, we're talking about a delta of 16.5 percentage points. Now, I get New York City is very unique and it has its own very, very specific set of circumstances. But New York State as a whole does not have to have the inventory constraints that it does. But what we've seen is that there are big inventory constraints across the entire state of New York that is keeping competition really fierce and is forcing prices upward in spite of these higher mortgage rates.

44:40Austin, by contrast, it saw huge, huge supply. It saw oversupply, frankly. It saw overinvestment. It saw oversupply. And now what it's seeing is that inventory supply correction, which is the reason that prices are dropping there. That's why you contrast Austin with San Antonio. What we're seeing in San Antonio right now is that homes on the market are moving a lot more quickly. The velocity, we talked earlier about velocity, San Antonio is seeing a really, really heavy transaction volume, but they're seeing it at a much lower median price point. The median home in San Antonio is$299 ,000. Now, I should say both places have a spate of problems, including high property taxes, very high insurance costs, and in Florida, skyrocketing HOA fees and structural inspection laws, which have caused a lot of special assessments to happen, which has particularly hit the condo market really hard.

45:45But the thing that I think is fascinating about this is seeing a double-digit delta, this is a wider divergence than anything that I have seen in the decade that I have spent analyzing the housing market. There is a tremendous mathematical gap. And so real estate is always fascinating because it is such a high-stakes arena. the divergence that we're seeing right now in regional real estate behavior is just bananas wild. Part of why I study it so closely is because across the country, we're running a whole bunch of A-B tests in real time, but all with unique characteristics. So none of them are perfect comparisons to one another because each one has complicating factors that make it unique.

46:42But that's all the more reason why it's critical to take a nuanced, data-driven look at real estate and not to rely on pithy slogans or reductive frameworks. As a general rule, the more that you hear people attribute something to a single source, the less likely that is to be true because real estate is influenced by such a complex cacophony of factors. That's the latest in the housing market. We're going to take a moment to hear from the sponsors who make this show possible. If you're a small business, the right hire can be make or break. Hoping the right people see your job posting isn't the best growth strategy.

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51:30Welcome back. Gold prices are weird. So gold was in the toilet for a little while. Earlier this year, gold fell by nearly 30%. So in January, it was trading at 5 ,600 per troy ounce. By July, over the span of those six months, it fell down to a bottom of below$4 ,000. So a fall of about 30 % in the span of six months. Well, some slightly good news for people who have held on. Gold prices are now at a two-month high, so they're currently trading between$4 ,300 to$4 ,400. They have not yet regained the peak that they were at in January, but they're starting to rebound a little from the bottom that we saw in July.

52:17Why is that? Well, a few reasons. Number one, worries about inflation. Because in periods of high inflation, people tend to flock to tangible assets like gold, real estate, art. And so increased inflationary worries can drive the price of gold up. Worries about a cooling economy can also drive the price of gold up. The thing about gold is that it doesn't have any interest payments. Earlier I talked about the beauty of holding bonds is that you get those periodic payments. When you hold a bond, you are giving a loan and therefore you earn interest on the loan that you're giving. Gold isn't like that.

52:59Gold doesn't pay any interest, which means it is not an income-producing asset, which means it's a speculative asset. People buy it if they think that other people will buy it. People buy it only because they believe that the price is going to go up because of increased demand. Why would you increase demand for gold? Probably because you're worried about inflation. But by virtue of buying gold, you know, we talked earlier about the 30-year yield, right? If you're buying gold, that comes at the opportunity cost of not buying a 30-year treasury. And what that means, given that the 30-year treasury yield is so high, it is currently as of today, Friday, August 7, it is at 5.2%.

53:42People who are buying gold see that as a risk. So people who are buying gold aren't looking at the 30-year treasury yield and saying, wow, what an attractive return. They're looking at the 30-year treasury yield and saying, wow, that is a red flag. That is a risk. That is a warning sign. that interpretation is totally valid. This is why I say like, it was why I really mean the caveat that when I talk about myself entering bonds for the first time, it is not investing advice. I fully acknowledge that the people who are looking at that saying, I don't see that as an attractive return. I see that as a evidence of risk and as a warning sign.

54:25That's a completely valid interpretation. It is not my interpretation, which is why I didn't put my money that way, but it is a valid interpretation. And there is a very, very real possibility that they may be right and I may be wrong. That possibility is on the table and has a decent likelihood. That's what investing is. Investing is risk. Investing is starting with the base knowledge that you might be wrong. And the base knowledge that a lot of people are actively dumping long-term bonds and piling into gold as a safe haven. Because in periods of stagflation, gold really thrives. And remember, we talked earlier about how stagflation is on the table.

55:16It is a possibility. So yeah, gold has been beat up for the first six months of the year, but there is, right now, there's been a two-month slight rebound. And there may or may not be a case for another gold rally. Time will tell. But we are seeing around the world, global central banks are increasingly buying gold. And part of that is because they want more independence from the US dollar. They want to de-dollarize. Do you remember, we talked about this many, many first Fridays ago, but there was actually a movement to try to create an alternative global reserve currency that ultimately went nowhere and it's not likely to happen.

55:59But there was an attempt to do that for a while. As many central banks around the world started saying, you know what, we're starting to lack confidence in the US dollar and we no longer want that to be the world reserve currency. And again, it's not going to happen. It's not realistic. or I should say it's unlikely. We can never state anything in absolutes, but it is highly unlikely to happen. That ethos does explain in part one of the reasons why so many central banks are going after gold. And particularly, we've also talked about how inflation is worldwide. Inflation is happening as a global concern.

56:38And that's another reason why so many central banks and so many investors in general are piling into gold. So that's just an interesting asset class to watch. I personally do not own any, but I understand why someone would. I personally like real estate as an inflation hedge because, again, in periods of inflation pile into tangible assets. For me, that's real estate, but I get it. And I want to emphasize what we've talked about, and I've said this before. If you really want to understand what's going on in the economy, don't look at the stock market. Look at the bond market. Watch what the bond market is doing.

57:16And I would add to that, watch the gold market. Those two markets, the bond market and commodities and gold in particular, will speak volumes about what's going on in the economy. Much more so than the stock market. The stock market is not the economy. The bond market kind of is. All right, the final story to close out today. Since this is the August 1st Friday episode, I want to cover all of the economic news from the previous month, the month of July. On July 4th, the 530A accounts were officially launched for public contributions and initial funding. So the 530A account, depending on what side of the aisle you are on, is sometimes also referred to as Trump accounts and sometimes also referred to as Invest America accounts.

58:09so half the population calls it Trump accounts, half the population calls it Invest America accounts and if you're a financial professional you know it as the 530A account kind of like 529, 401k in the way that we refer to all of these accounts by their section in the tax code these are 530A accounts so that's how I refer to them but the big news is on July 4th they were officially launched The government deposited$1 ,000 each into more than half a million newly activated accounts. And so babies that were born between 2025 and 2028, so January 1st, 2025 through New Year's Eve, 2028, any baby born during that time period is eligible for this government seed money.

58:58And whether or not you get the seed money, children, minors, you can open an account for any minor and parents, friends, family, employers, anyone who wants to support that kid can make deposits into this account up to an annual limit of$5 ,000 per minor. There are already many private donors, both individuals and companies that have been donating to fund the accounts. So the Dell family gave over$6 billion. Gwynne Shotwell from SpaceX gave more than$300 million. Brad Gerstner gave money to every child in the state of Indiana. Many companies, Bank of America, J.P. Morgan, Robinhood, have also announced that they will be making contributions.

59:44So we're increasingly going to be seeing philanthropists, donors make contributions into these accounts. Now, I want to emphasize one thing. This is very important. And any minor child in the US, any child under the age of 18 can have a 530A account opened on their behalf as long as they have a valid social security number. So even though that$1 ,000 seed money is limited to babies born between 2025 and 2028, anyone with a social security number who is under the age of 18 can have a 530A account. They do not have to have earned income. That's what distinguishes it from opening a Roth IRA, for example, on behalf of a minor child.

1:00:30Because a minor child with earned income can contribute their earned income to a Roth IRA, but with a 530A, the kid does not need to have any earned income. They can have a 530A account open for them. You can do it by filling out IRS Form 4547. And so if you have a minor child, please open a 530A account for them. Even if they're too old to get the$1 ,000, the$1 ,000 of government seed money, you can still open a 530A account for them. They can get private donations. They can get family contributions. Even if they don't get that seed money, it's still an opportunity to save money in a tax advantaged manner for kids.

1:01:16And that can, I mean, to start the compounding clock that early is a tremendous benefit. Imagine having compound interest that begins when you're two or three or four or eight or ten. So on July 4th, the account's officially launched. If you have a minor child who has a valid social security number, please open a 530A on their behalf. That is the August 1st Friday episode. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with people who could benefit from hearing it. Share it with people with minor children. Share it with people looking for jobs. Share it with people who have questions about the low hire, low fire environment.

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#739: The U.S. just lost 23,000 jobs — and unemployment fell anyway. The numbers were strange enough that Paula broke a years-long, all-stocks habit and bought her first bond, ever.

In this month's First Friday economic roundup, Paula breaks down the jobs report, the bond market, mortgage rates, gold, and a new kind of account for kids.

Topics include:

How to make sense of a jobs report that seems to contradict itself

What actually happens when you buy a 30-year Treasury bond

Why bond yields hitting a two-decade high matters for your money

Why mortgage rates are climbing again, and what that means for housing

Why home prices are surging in some states while crashing in others

Why gold is quietly staging a comeback

What the new government-seeded kids' accounts actually do

Whether you're deciding where your next dollar should go, watching mortgage rates before a purchase, or wondering if your kid needs a new account this year, this episode gives you the full economic picture in one sitting.

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(00:00) Why the jobs report shocked economists this month

(03:24) How jobs can drop while unemployment drops too

(08:03) Why Paula just bought her first bond ever

(09:35) A crash course on why bond yields are spiking

(25:34) Why unemployment claims just hit a 55-year low

(27:57) Why young job seekers have it harder than everyone else

(35:23) Why mortgage rates just hit a one-year high

(51:28) Why gold is rebounding, and who's buying it

(57:47) What the new 530A investment accounts mean for your kids

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