The Mind Viruses That Are Making You Poor (Without Knowing It) - with Randy Gage

0:00Picture this, 15 years old, stuck in a cold jail cell, charged with armed robbery. And this is not the start of a true crime documentary. It's the origin story of a man who would go on to sell over a million books, build a company that's generated tens of billions of dollars in revenue for himself and the people he's coached, and become one of the most unapologetic voices on wealth in the world today. His name is Randy Gage. And before there were sold out stages, before there were 16 books translated into 25 different languages, before the mansions and the expensive watch collection, there was a teenage alcoholic who thought the world owed him something.

0:41And a stranger who walked into his jail cell and told him he was capable of greatness. And he believed it. And that belief changed everything. But you have to understand, this isn't just a rags to riches story. Because Randy did something almost nobody at the top ever does. He got everything. The cars, the money, and the big house. And then he looked at all of it and asked himself one terrifying question. Do I own this stuff? Or does this stuff own me? So he sold all of it. And he disappeared for two years to find out exactly who he was underneath all of that success. And today, in this episode, Randy's going to take you inside that jail cell and inside that journey of self-discovery and inside the philosophy that he calls being a sovereign operator.

1:26The exact mental framework for breaking the programming that keeps most people playing small their entire lives. If you've ever felt guilty for wanting more, if you've ever wondered whether chasing wealth makes you a bad person, this episode today is going to rewire the way that you think about money, identity, and what you're actually allowed to want. This is Big Swings Only, and Randy Gage is about to show you what it looks like when someone refuses to apologize for their own prosperity. And quick disclaimer, there is colorful language used throughout this episode.

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2:40Randy Gage: So at 15 years old, I was sitting in a jail cell for armed robbery. Teenage alcoholic, drug addict, obviously had not made a lot of great choices in life. I was pretty bitter, disillusioned, thought the world was unfair. I was really sick of being poor. You know, you see people on TV and they say, oh, we were poor, but we didn't know it. There was so much love in our house. I'm like, nah, that dog don't hunt. Okay. My house, we were poor. We knew we were poor. And I hated being poor because I rode a bus to school. So I went to a school with kids who were not poor. Kids who had, they lived in big houses, and they had their own bedroom, each kid.

3:38Randy Gage: And they had their own bicycles, and they got their own new clothes, and their families drove nice cars, and they went to nice places for vacation. In my family, we couldn't do any of that. So I shared a room with my older brother. My sister shared a bedroom with my mother. The four of us shared one bathroom. and I was autistic, which we didn't know at that time. No one even had a diagnosis for that back then. So I didn't fit in to begin with. This whole world was so overwhelming to me. And then to feel that disadvantage, and then I escaped with drugs and alcohol. And of course, we know what that does to your brain processing power and your decisions and the choices that you make.

4:32Randy Gage: And so I had read about this Robin Hood guy, and he took stuff from the rich people, and he gave it to the poor. I said, perfect, that's what I'll do. I'll steal it from the rich and give it to me. And, you know, that worked great until it didn't. And that's where that was a seminal moment in my life, I've spent a couple of months in jail waiting for a trial. That's a good time to reflect on your life and the choices that you make. This is, I appreciate you telling this story, Randy, because when people look at you as literally a Hall of Fame public speaker, Somebody who's accomplished so much, multiple books, 16 plus books and bestselling books, everything.

5:28This story would be shocking to them. Absolutely shocking. So take us to that moment. Take us to that moment when you were in that jail cell and you were having this time to reflect. What was running through your mind?

5:43Randy Gage: Most of the time I'm sitting on my cot. It's a big metal door. There's a little glass window with the safety glass running through it. Out in the hallway, there's a clock with a tick, tick, tick second hand on it. So I'm sitting there tick, tick, tick watching that day after day. So this is, you know, you don't need to go to a mountaintop in Nepal to meditate and pontificate and whatever. I mean, I was doing that. But how how good can you really do that when you're 15 years old? How mindful are you? Even though it's highly intelligent, still 15 is 15. Your life experience, your emotional experience or lack of it.

6:34Randy Gage: And then one day there was some jangling of keys. door opens and a guy walks in and he is the father of a girl that I had gone to school with and she had told dad you have to go Randy's in jail go save him you know I didn't know him who he was anything he introduced himself told me his name was Baxter and he was Joy's father and he told me you don't belong in here you're capable of great things and I told him you're full of you know what he probably should have slapped me he didn't he said no I'm I mean it I've I interviewed all your teachers before I came here I called them up they were all shared that people that stories they tell me that you skip school for three weeks in a row and you'll show up the next day and there's a test and you will ace the test.

7:34Randy Gage: Did you know your reading comprehension level is above college graduate level? And I didn't know that. I didn't know anything like that. I just thought school was dumb. Teachers were dumb. It was a waste of time. I didn't understand any of the purpose of any of that. And this guy rocked my world. And when he said I was capable of great things, at that point in my life, I was so desperate to believe that that was true, that I believed it. and you know this Kwame from all of the shows you've done all of the people you've talked to if you believe it's true it's true and if I wouldn't have believed that was true it wouldn't have been true but at that moment at that place in my life in that time of reflection I believed it was true.

8:40Randy Gage: And to make a long, melodramatic story less long and melodramatic, I had a public defender who believed in me. I had a judge who said, hey, let's give this kid a chance. We'll give him probation, keeps his nose clean till he's an adult. We'll expunge the record. And let's give him another shot. And fortunately, I took that shot. Incredible. Incredible. Have you contemplated what your life would have been like if Baxter didn't show up in the jail cell and say that to you? Yeah, I would have been dead before I was 20, for sure, is what I think. It's fascinating because I know this is core to your philosophy, the importance of the people who are around you, the relationships that you have.

9:34And I'd like to dig into this because I'm assuming that in your life, there were probably more Baxters in different forms coming in and speaking life into you. Can you tell us more about the impact that others have had on you on this journey?

9:53Randy Gage: Not as many as you might think. Maybe because I was on the spectrum, because I love to read, the mentors and guides that I found for the rest of my life were usually dead people. And it was reading their books or reading books about them that Ayn Rand is a huge influence on my life. Reverend Ernest Holmes, The Science of Mind, Reverend Charles Fillmore, the book Prosperity. He was the co-founder of the Unity movement. So people like that. And even later, when I got into business and marketing, I just was a voracious reader, a voracious student. And because I was kind of, I always had social anxiety issues.

10:47Randy Gage: I'm not an extrovert. I'm not a I'm not a networker, right? If you sent me to a networking event with 100 business cards, I would come home with 100 business cards. The same ones I left with, I would have been standing next to the plant, heading, you know, hanging out, running to the bathroom. I don't know what. It's just not my thing, right? So I didn't get a lot of mentors, along the way physically, but I got them through my self-development program. That's so fascinating. And Randy, I think that's going to be very validating and inspiring for a lot of people who shudder when they hear the word networking, because it's like the social version of medicine.

11:41It's like nobody really wants to do it, but they feel like they have to do it in order to have a healthy career. And also, you're helping us to recognize that, yeah, sometimes mentors come in the form of real humans in front of you interacting with you in vivo. And other times, they can come from afar. They could not even physically be on this planet anymore and serve that role. I know when I listened and looked up to other thought leaders as I was developing, I would call them my distance mentors. Whereas you don't know me, I don't know you. be on this parasocial relationship, but I've learned so much.

12:17And so what I love about this is that you are eliminating a lot of the excuses that people might have when it comes to what it takes to be successful, what it takes to be great and find prosperity, whatever that means to them. And I'd be interested to think at this point, especially considering your most recent book, your perspective on the term prosperity. Because now after hearing your response, it's very fascinating to see that one of your distance mentors focused on prosperity. And now it's like a continuation of the lineage of that thought leadership with you. So tell us what prosperity means to you, especially considering your upbringing.

13:02Randy Gage: Yeah, so let me give a free resource to anybody watching or listening. Right on my website, randygage.com homepage, there's a PDF you can download for free. And it's called The Seven Elements of an Abundant Life. And that is just kind of a body of work I put together, short little booklet, easy to read. But I feel it captures the essence of the kind of life. If you want to live a prosperous life, if you want to live an abundant life, I sketch it out in there. because life is too short not to be healthy, happy, and rich. Plain and simple. I believe every person on earth, it is our birthright to be healthy, happy, and rich.

13:54And to do that,

13:57Randy Gage: the new book you mentioned, that's called Wealth Without Apology. That's book number 16. That is my magnum opus thus far of my life like that's my work put together into how we create a prosperous life and i believe we do it in four quadrants and the biggest lie out there right now in the podcast world in the self-development world the business world is what i call one quadrant success right so you've got all these hey be a grinder be a hustler work your face off coffee is for closers i work 16 hour days i cold call 400 people a day i send 250 dms a day um okay i mean i get i'm i'm a builder right i'm an entrepreneur i've founded business and i know there's a time and a place for founder mode.

15:00Randy Gage: And that founder mode might be 16-hour days. But if you're still doing founder mode a year and a half in, five years in, we've got people who are 40 years in, and they're still in founder mode. And those are the people, they wake up and they're 55 years old. Their body is completely breaking down on them. Their marriage is a disaster. Their kids don't want to spend time with them. They have no spiritual harmony. They have no any kind of harmony, right? But okay, they're flying private and they've got four houses and 17, you know, super cars down in the garage, but that's one quadrant prosperity.

15:43Randy Gage: So I believe there's four quadrant. First quadrant is resources, and that's where money and material things come into play. Quadrant two is wellness. Quadrant three, I call harmony. And that would just be, for some people, it's spiritual. Other people, it's secular. For other people, it's religious, right? Everybody approaches. But in other words, you're comfortable in your own skin. You have a good relationship with others, with animals, with solar systems. But most importantly, with yourself. and then the fourth quadrant I labeled significance, which is, hey, I want you get to a point like I did.

16:29Randy Gage: I mean, I chased, you know, I have owned all those supercars, right? I have the, you know, go search on the internet and you're going to see all the old pics of me with my supercars and my $85 ,000 watches and$220 ,000 watches and all the bling bling. And, you know, because I bought the bullshit, which is one quadrant prosperity. But even if you buy the bullshit and you get really good at it, at some point you realize, wow, I don't really have any friends. Well, yeah, I know I haven't taken a day off in three years, but what would I do if I took a day off anyway? I don't have any friends. I have nowhere to go.

17:15Randy Gage: I wouldn't know what to do. Like I have this entrepreneur accelerator program and, you know, I get some really hard charging, high level people in it. And some of them I'm having to say, hey, we need to do a no device day for you one day a week. some of these guys I have to teach them here's how to take a vacation this is what a vacation actually looks like right so at some point if you're on that trajectory you get someone like me who's gonna get up in your grill and then say hey you know at some point you're gonna want to move from success to significance and that's the fourth quadrant like okay I want to know that when I leave this planet, for whatever reason I do, whenever I leave it, I want to know it's better because I was here for some moment of time.

18:17Randy Gage: And you'd want to do mentoring and you want to do philanthropy and you want to make an impact in a positive way. Mm, this is so good. And as you were talking, I can't help but think about my own life. I can't help but think about the lives of other folks to see, you know, how are we doing on this? Because the reality is, and society always focuses on that one quadrant, success, especially in the business world. And especially for folks who are listening who want to take that big swing, it's so important for us to recognize what prosperity means holistically. And I'd like to take a trip down memory lane for you, Randy, because I am assuming that you did not just wake up at 17 with this knowledge.

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22:05Randy Gage: Speaking of that, wherever that kid is with that school of hard knocks on the Instagram channel, I keep waiting for him. Every time I go out of a store, where's this kid? I want to be on that channel. He's always so funny. They mostly look like they're state. Excuse me, sir. Are you rich? You look like you're rich. How did you make your first money? You know, I think he's a cool guy. It's a cool channel, right?

22:34Randy Gage: For me, the, I guess, the big, big seminal moment for me was I took a sabbatical. And it was so funny how this came about. I think we got time. This is a long form thing. Let me tell the whole story. I'm I don't know I'm just experiencing some what I call divine discontent with my life I'm at the top of my game I'm a New York Times best-selling author I've spoken to more than two million people in more than 50 countries I've got the money thing out of the way I live in beautiful homes I've drive in beautiful cars and something's missing. Right. And I get this hand lettered, hand addressed mailing and I open.

23:30Randy Gage: So I get it. And it's from someone I've never heard of. And I'm like, this is some son of a bitch went to one of my old marketing seminars because I used to teach that technique. Hey, if you really want to get someone attention, I used to hire grade school kits and have them hand letter stuff or crayons even if you really want to get someone to open your mail. Right. So I noticed that I'm like, oh, this is good. And then it's from a real estate agent. And he says, hey, I've got a buyer. They've got plenty of money. They want to pay all cash. They're looking for an apartment building in your stack.

24:07Randy Gage: I mean, an apartment in your stack of my condo my stack was the one that had uh three bedrooms and three bathrooms right so they wanted that one and i thought man i wonder if i just sold the thing and traveled the world or something and i thought about it and no no that's crazy idea so i throw the letter away maybe a week later five days later i don't know i'm getting i'm going i'm looking for a particular ball cap to wear i moved some ball caps in my closet and there's a couple of watches that i had bought like two years earlier and what's the watch uh god that they say you don't own it you just hold it for the next generation you know the one i'm talking about oh oh god i can't believe one of my favorite watches i was a watch whore right i had like 250 watches so one of them is that one so it's like uh i don't know 80 000 watch and then there's like a 50 000 watch and i've never worn either they're both in the boxes and what had happened is I had some workers working in my condo and I had just got those watches and I thought, you know, I don't want to tempt anybody to do anything stupid, but so let me just put these back here and push these baseball caps in front of them.

25:42And I forgot I bought them. So, um,

25:47Randy Gage: next day. So that was like, well, this is weird. So I'm looking at these and I'm thinking, do I own all this stuff or does this stuff own me? You know, this is really pretty crazy. There was a time I lived on$7 ,000 for a year. Okay. And got by. And now I've got what, $120 ,000,$30 ,000 worth of watches I never even wore. Right. I get the mail that day. There's the same letter. And it turned, I thought, okay, the universe is sending me a message here. It turns out the real estate guy told me later he had made a typo in the letter and somebody called him up and said, you're so unprofessional. How could you mail out a letter with a typo in it?

26:39Randy Gage: So he felt, I don't know, guilty or whatever. And he decided to remail the whole mailing with the correct untyped letter. Well, I don't know any of this. I just think, okay, the universe is sending me a message. So I call the guy and I say, I have apartment in that unit. I will sell it for this money, which was like 500 ,000 more than I paid for it. Because it was beautiful. It was a dream home. But I just thought if somebody wrote me a check for that on the spot, I would do it. So the guy sends his agent. He doesn't come himself because I don't know this. He's a sheik from Dubai. So he sends his agent with a cam and he videos the whole thing.

27:31Randy Gage: And then he says, yes, I'll take it. And I tell his agent, listen, He seemed to really love the layout and the furniture and everything. And I'm probably going to go on a sabbatical. So tell him if he adds another$100 ,000, I'll just leave it as is. Just bring his toothbrush. Well, of course, what I think is a lot of money for the apartment and whatever. He's a chic. He probably got it out of the sofa cushions, right? So he bought the place, paid the extra$100 ,000, and I just walked away. and I flew to, I stopped in San Diego a few days and then I flew on to Sydney. I had an apartment in Sydney.

28:14Randy Gage: So I said, I'll start in Sydney and hang out there a while. And I'm just going to travel the world and I'm going to work on me, self-development, personal growth every day. And I did that for two years. I shut down my blog, my social media, everything, walked away from my businesses, put everything on maintenance mode, and just worked on me. And that was the most transformational time of my life thus far, because it was just breakthrough after breakthrough. And that's when I think it really, the significance part of the equation really came into play that I realized, yeah, okay, great. I could buy another 26 watches this year and I'll have 276 instead of 250.

29:08Randy Gage: I could buy another three cars and I could have eight instead of five, or I could buy another place and have four instead of three or whatever. And at some point you got it, you say, you know, maybe there's more to life than this. This is fascinating, Randy, because when I'm thinking about your life and I'm thinking about the breakthroughs that you've had and the various modes of evolution that you've gone through and I'm seeing a through line, we have reflection, time to reflect. and when you were in your teenage years in that jail cell, the time to reflect was thrust upon you. You didn't have a choice.

29:48You had no other alternative but to reflect with the time that you had. And then when I asked you about your evolving perspective on prosperity, you had to force that time for self-reflection because the speed at which you were living probably didn't make much space organically for that type of reflection. And tell me if this is a landing, because when we're thinking about folks who are trying to accomplish big things, who are hustling hard, working hard, whatever it happens to be, it can be very scary to slow down. But at the same time, it seems like it's necessary to have those strategic injections of self-reflective time.

30:34Randy Gage: that is the vacuum dynamic of prosperity if you have something clenched in your fist nobody can put anything in it right if the universe god nature whatever metaphor you want to use whatever label you want to use if you're hanging on to something could be an addiction could be a dysfunctional relationship, could be materialistic stuff, could be whatever. If you're hanging on to that, nobody can put in, you've got to release it. You've got to create a vacuum, right? So for some people, you have to, you have to remove negative, toxic people from your life in order to attract, create a vacuum for somebody who's positive.

31:25Randy Gage: You need to let go of limiting beliefs to replace them with empowering beliefs. That's what the Wealth Without Apology book is, that's the theme of it, is how we recognize limiting beliefs we have, brainwashing. It's literally brainwashing that we got, that money is bad and rich people are evil and it's spiritual to be poor. These kind of bullshit messages, which are a total lie. And we have to recognize them blow up that programming and then replace it with programming that empowers us. So we create a vacuum. And that means it's a scary thing. That's what you're alluding to with your question is it can be scary to let that stuff go.

32:13Randy Gage: I'm in that situation right now with my business. I'm letting go of a lot of business of clients that pay a lot of money by their standards and where they are to me. So they pay me a million dollars a year in a consulting contract and that's a lot of money for them. And it's a lot of money for me too, right? Million dollars is still a million dollars, OK, it doesn't, you know, it's it's it's substantial. But I recognize, hey, to do the scaling that I want to do, to do the kind of work that I want to do and make the kind of impact I want to make, I have to release some of these clients because they're not growing fast enough that they can afford me at the rates I'm charging now for new people that work with me.

33:09Randy Gage: Did the same thing. I had a coaching, I have an entrepreneur accelerator program, and I had a middle level that was$500 a month. And I just said, you know what, I can't justify that time. So I raised it to$19.97 a month. So it's a four-time increase. I took the top level was$10 ,000 a month. I raised it to$15 ,000 a month. So what am I doing? I'm creating a vacuum. And I think, and that's what I'm teaching the people I'm working with is, hey, I'm showing you, I'm just, this is not some thing I read in a book somewhere. I'm eating my own dog food. I'm showing you. This is how I keep manifesting a higher level of prosperity.

33:56Randy Gage: I keep challenging myself and growing in the value that I can provide. and I have clients that can't keep up with that because they don't apply it, right? I can take any business in the world. I don't care what the business is. If you've got a viable product, that actually has value, I could help you scale it. 10 exit, 50 exit, 100 exit. People don't understand it's easier to run a million dollar a year business than it is to run$100 ,000 a year business. What they don't know is the next level. It's easier to run$100 million a year business than it is to run a$1 million a year business. Because when you commit to scale, when you commit to operating at that level, then you realize, okay, I can do this stuff I'm doing all day, every day, this busy work where I'm the bottleneck.

34:55Randy Gage: Everything comes to me. I'm the, you know, keeping my head above water. I'm the sole, you know, superstar running the business. Every big decision has to be made with me. Everything has to come to me. I can't do that if I want to do a hundred million dollars. I have to put systems, processes, you know, any business I look at, anything I'm going to do myself. I ask myself three questions. How do I automate? how do I systematize, and how do I scale? If I can't see a pathway in those three things, it's a terrible business and I don't want to be involved with it. How could I go on a sabbatical for two years and have my income actually go up?

35:39Randy Gage: Whereas most people, if they took three weeks off from their business, they'd lose 50 % of their revenue. Or if they took six weeks off, they'd come back and their business wouldn't even exist, right? So I'm showing my own people, hey, and like these, and nobody likes to have their price quadrupled, right? And I know, and people have told me, hey, I did this at 500. I'm not going to pay 2000 a month. And I say, thank you. I appreciate it. I love you. I respect you. And that's okay. I need to move on. And what am I doing? I'm practicing the vacuum law. And at every stage of growth, I'm using a business example, but we could do it in relationships.

36:23Randy Gage: We could do it in health, right? You have to let go of something that's holding you back to step into the level you really want to go. What I love about this, Randy, is that you make it sound easy. And I know for the person listening, they're saying, this isn't easy. I've been trying this and failing at it for so long. But there's a mindset shift that you have made that allows you to kind of flip this switch, so to speak, because it sounds like there's an element of strategic foresight that you have. But then there's also the ability to understand the knowledge of the industry and knowledge of business.

37:08There's the know-how. But then there's also the commitment. You talked about commitment. You talked about manifestation. That's the mindset element. Can you help us to understand how people who are listening can replicate your level of success by understanding both of it?

37:27Randy Gage: Well, first thing, there's two points I want to make to that question. And the first one, I just I'm assuming you've got your high quality, talented superstar producer in the room right now. and I'm assuming he'll know how to edit and bleep out certain language. So let's get that out of the way. First of all, it's not easy. It's hard as fuck. Let me say that again. It's hard. What I do is hard as fuck. What my clients do, like one of my guys, he's going to break a long time client working for almost 20 years. He's going to be a unicorn in the next three months. He'll be worth a billion dollars, right?

38:08Randy Gage: So that's hard as fuck. So I'm not saying it's easy. But what I'm saying is it's easier for my friend to run a billion dollar business than it is for him to run a hundred million dollar business because of the systems and the processes and the things he had to put into place. For instance, me, you know, I just 2025 was the greatest year of my life, the greatest year of my career in terms of the acceleration I did on my health, my personal development, my investments, my revenue and my businesses, everything. Just scale into the moon. And 26 is going to be better than 25 was. But I created a vacuum.

39:01Randy Gage: I redid my schedule I hired a I had used VAs I had sold um a lot of businesses a while back my personal assistant retired a couple years ago because she was like 70 or something and um I said okay I'm just going to use virtual assistants from now on I'm never going to have another employee again. And I read 10X is Better Than 2X by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Ben Hardy. And Who Not How, another book by the same two guys. And I realized, yeah, I really want to scale more. I want to be working in my genius zone. I need to challenge myself. I need to start peeling away the onion, get rid of this busy work I'm doing.

39:51Randy Gage: I can't have the kind of impact I have that I want to have doing the stuff I'm doing. I don't have time to post a blog. My time should be writing the blog. I don't have time to be editing a podcast. I should be creating the podcast. I don't. So I hired a full-time executive assistant and I said, I need you to handle my calendar. I need that when I come home from a speech, the car is washed and filled up with gas. I need refrigerator, food in the refrigerator. I need you to hire a Colombian abuelita to come in once a week and prepare all my meals and stack them up. And she's here working right now, right?

40:42Randy Gage: Get me that handled the email, handle the scheduling, and let me work in my genius zone. And I just keep, that's what the business is for you to go. That's why it's easier to run the million dollar business than the hundred thousand dollar business. Because when you're running the hundred thousand dollar business, you're doing all the bullshit stuff that you shouldn't be doing, right? For most of the people watching this, okay, maybe you can't hire an executive assistant, pay him what I pay my guy. I get it. I was there once too, but I'll tell you what I do know. You can't afford to clean your fucking house.

41:20Randy Gage: You can't afford to wash your fucking dishes and do your own laundry or mow your own lawn or shovel your own snow that, you know, that's there's people or AI agents that you need to bring in to free you up so you can be working in rain maker activities. And again, you do it in stages. And again, you know, if you find doing laundry is relaxing, great, do laundry. If you find mowing your lawn is like a meditative experience, great, do it. But the other stuff, you can't afford to be doing that. You can't afford. I literally just did a video. It'll be on my YouTube channel. By the time this is out, it'll be on my YouTube channel.

42:04Randy Gage: It's, what's the title? It's because it's about how this isn't really time. I think the title is how I get more done by noon than most people do in a week. So, you know, look at it, you guys watch and check my YouTube channel, how I get more done by noon than most people do by the week. And it isn't about time management. It's about the mindset. It's about the thought process of, hey, what are the important things I should be doing? What are the just the bullshit busy work stuff that I could automate with AI? Right. Then and then what are the things I can hire someone to do? What are the things I can outsource to do.

42:54Randy Gage: So what is my, Dan Sullivan calls it your unique ability. My context I'm always working with it on is I want to be in my genius zone. My genius zone is writing books, working one-on-one with my anarchist level people in my accelerator program, working with my corporate consulting clients, writing blog posts, creating my YouTube videos. That's my genius zone. Everything else, I got to find a way to get someone else doing that stuff. And I think every person watching this who wants to become an entrepreneur or same thing, you could be watching this saying, I don't give a shit about being an entrepreneur.

43:44Randy Gage: I run a nonprofit. I want to feed more starving kids in Kenya. Okay. It's the same principles for you. This is brilliant because the thing that I appreciate the most is that it's not time management. It's a mindset shift. And what we are recognizing is that in order to get to the left, the next level, it requires a fundamental shift in the way that you think and an identity shift as well. Because what I'm recognizing is that for the people who are trying to take big swings, the standard rules of engagement do not apply. You cannot do the standard things, the things that everybody's doing, and then achieve the life of your dreams.

44:29It is not possible.

44:33Randy Gage: You have no idea how you could have co-wrote one of the chapters in this book with me, because you said two words. You said identity shift, because one of the fundamental premises of this book is that you will never out earn the self identity that you have created for yourself. And so, and that's what you were really referencing by what you just said is you, you, You've got to unlock the ceiling, the mental ceiling that you've created for yourself. Because, yeah, I think people should take big swings only. All in on that. And what you just said is the issue. If you think, well, I'm not the kind of person who would take big swings.

45:32Randy Gage: Oh, people like me don't take big swings. What if I take big swings and then people don't like me? What if I take big swings and now my friends and family think I went uptown and I'm too cool for school now or whatever? That's, you know, the title of the book is Wealth Without Apology. That was never the original title of the book. The book was like, I'm going to write the kind of the guidebook for how you manifest a life of abundance. I take all my previous work, all my previous books, and I want to put it together in a kind of a sequential process of what the mind shift has to happen, how you blow up, kill off the old identity that's holding you back and create the new self-identity.

46:25Randy Gage: And then I'm starting writing the chapters by chapter. And then I get to the one about how we get brainwashed and how we get made to think small and then how we made to feel guilty when we take big swings. Right. And there's a chapter in there titled, you, you got the Bugatti, but you still have the mindset of a Toyota owner. what happens there you've got to change you got to upgrade this self-identity then i wrote a chapter and i realized one of the things that i've discovered is when you get money with a capital m you're gonna attract a whole new world of fanatical friends who adore you right and you know where this is going, right?

47:19Randy Gage: So you will get more wedding invitations and graduation invitations and bar mitzvah invitations. And you're like, who's that? Isn't that the guy who installed the cable? Who's that? Isn't that the bag boy at the supermarket? Because of course, they're saying, well, if we invite Kwame to the wedding, he's kind of rich. So maybe he'll buy the microwave that we've got in the registry at Kmart. I guess we don't have Kmart. Target. I guess it'd be Target if they sell. I don't know. I've never been at Target, but I assume they sell microwave. Wherever. Best Buy. Wherever. Right? So I'm writing all these chapters, and it dawns on me, the title I have for this book isn't right.

48:10Randy Gage: So I put in the table of contents and the first draft into chat GPT. And I said, you know, here's the book. Here's the table of contents. I don't think this chapter is the right chapter. What do you think better reflects what the theme of this book is going to be? And it came back with about 10 of them. But one of them was wealth without apology. second I saw it I'm like that's the name of the book this is this is going to be life-changing for people because again the identity shift element of it is so often overlooked when we think about what it takes to be successful especially in business we think about it as an issue of tactics or strategies if you have all of the tactics all the strategies still there's still going to be something inside of you that holds you back if you don't have the right identity and you haven't addressed the brainwashing that has happened.

49:10Now, when we think about the terms identity and brainwashing, these are terms that everybody inherently understands more so as it applies to other people. So we often think other people have problematic identities. I'm fine, but I can see how it affects other people. Other people have been brainwashed. I'm fine, But I could see how it affects other people. So how can people start to identify the parts of their identity that might need an upgrade or evolution and the brainwashing that has occurred? Because it's highly likely that the people that they're currently surrounding themselves with have similar elements of their identity and similar brainwashing.

49:51So you just think it's normal. So how can we start to become a little bit more self-aware and go through that self-reflection to start to make those changes? shifts.

49:59Randy Gage: Okay, so another book I wrote a few years ago is called Radical Rebirth, and that entire book is just dedicated to the programming, the brainwashing. I believe there are, well, here's my, here's the, let me sum up my work, which will lead people to the process that they've got to go to that you're asking about. The premise of my work and what makes my work different than any of the other 8 billion people on planet Earth is I have identified two concepts that I don't think people are looking at, and this is where the breakthroughs live. The first concept is what I call the inherited memeplex encoding.

50:54Randy Gage: I-M-E, inherited memeplex encoding. Where does inherited come from? Well, here's the thesis of my work is there are six main areas that create a prosperous life. Our beliefs in six areas, money and success, work and career, marriage and relationships, God and religion, health and wellness, sex and sexuality. Six areas. So we develop those beliefs or we think we develop them, but by the time we're eight years old. And most people keep those beliefs their whole life. So if their parents bickered, one cheated on the other, one was abusive, they just, they got the belief that this is what relationships look like.

51:45Randy Gage: That's what a normal relationship is because you don't know any better. So you carry that forward to your 30, 35 and you say, are you saying I blew up my marriage at 38 because of some programming that I got when I was eight? And I'm saying, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Are you telling me I got, I'm a diabetic and had a heart attack at 42 because of programming I got by the time I was eight? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. So those, we think we use the word like we developed those beliefs, but we didn't really develop them. We inherited them from our family of origin, education system, government, organized religion, and what I call the data sphere, TV, movies, internet, social media, all of that.

52:38So those five things, they're what program us.

52:42Randy Gage: They're what brainwash us. They create, they infect our mind with memes. A meme is a mind virus. People hear a meme, they say, oh, that's a slide on Instagram. No, that's, they kind of hijack that term. But the actual definition of meme was by Sir Richard Dawkins in his book, The Selfish Gene. he came up with this word to identify the science of memetics or the science of memes. So a meme is just a mind virus. A mind virus would be money is evil. A mind virus would be to be a successful career woman, you have to be a bad mommy. It's a mind virus and your subconscious mind gets infected with it.

53:29Randy Gage: And when you have a group of related memes, they're called a memeplex. So money is bad, rich people are evil, it's spiritual to be poor. Those are three related memes that would create a memeplex about money. So inherited, memeplex, encoding. What is encoding? It's what I'm referring to as the brainwashing we get, right? So what happens when we get encoded, we become that thing. We become that characteristic. So the first part of my work is, hey, we all have this IME, which creates your operating system. So 90 % of the world has got a poverty conscious operating system. And until and unless you go and question the premise, challenge those beliefs, blow up the limiting beliefs, replace them with empowering beliefs, then you can get a prosperity conscious operating system.

54:44Randy Gage: And when you can create that kind of a positive operating system, you become the second big concept of my work, which is you become what I define a sovereign operator. You're now inoculated against that programming. you're not like that book i'm trying to inoculate people against the rackets and the guilt that their friends will run on them what do you mean you won't give me the money for this yet jimmy i've lent you money five times before you always said you're gonna you never pay me back and then you always come with another yeah but it's different you know my you know i the my bitch ex-wife, she's suing me because I didn't pay the child support and now they're going to impound my car.

55:37Randy Gage: If I lose my car, I'm going to lose my job and that'll be your fault. I thought you were a good Christian. Right? What has happened? He's guilting you, right? So if you're a sovereign operator, people won't, they can't guilt you anymore. They can't program you anymore. You don't fear government because you don't need government. You don't get manipulated by religion because you don't need doctrines and dogma. You're self-sufficient. You're comfortable in your own skin. You know what your skills and talents and abilities are. You've got the money thing out of the way. you've got you know it's a vulgar term to say hey i got fuck you money but that's a really important part of being a sovereign operator you got fuck you money their people can't control you they can't cancel you because you don't need them you have created like me i mean i say you can see in one hour this podcast i say five things every day that would get me canceled I don't care.

56:49Randy Gage: Cancel me. You know, I have my work. I've found my tribe who I know are the people that I can help get to where they want to go. They know I'm the guy they want to work with to help to go where they want to go. And they don't, they're not going to care if somebody on X says that I should be canceled. You know what I mean? This is my goal. My, you know, my ultimate, ultimate mission, I want to make the world more prosperous. But I know we don't make the world more prosperous with charity. I love charity. I'm a big philanthropist. I won the Philanthropist of the Year Award, for God's sakes. So I believe in it.

57:33Randy Gage: But that's a bandage. That's not the solution. And entitlement programs, they're not the solution. The way we make the world more prosperous is we make people more prosperous. And to do that, we have to change the way they think. I wrote wealth without apology to change the conversation about money and health and happiness and success. And I can't help it, Randy. I think it's a negotiator in me, but the term that keeps coming to mind is leverage. And a lot of times people are living lives of minimal leverage while giving other people, other thought processes, other entities maximum leverage over them.

58:19And the easiest, simplest way to analyze leverage is whoever needs the deal most loses. So if you need the deal more, then you're going to be more willing to give up concessions to get the deal. If somebody doesn't need the deal at all, they'll just say, hey, listen, make your deal, make your offer better. I don't care either way. And the indifference, the detachment is the source of power. And it's so interesting because people don't recognize that this is happening to them because it's happening to everybody. It's the norm. It is the norm. And so for me, I always ask myself, what game am I willing to play?

58:55The only games I want to play at this point are games that I for sure can win because they're all within my control. Think about the example of the person who is trying to guilt you. There was a time in our lives where somebody might try to guilt us, And then we play the game of what can I do to get this person's validation and acceptance? That's the game I'm playing. And since I need that validation and acceptance from them, now they have leverage over me. And I keep on giving more things to them, right? And so once you start to look at it through the lens of leverage, you start to recognize, hey, if I want to truly be a sovereign operator, then I need to get to a point where I'm analyzing the dependencies that I have and figuring out how I can be less dependent on others and more reliant on myself.

59:39And that's how we can start to take these steps toward prosperity and living the life that we want to live on our terms.

59:47Randy Gage: You get it incisive, just 100%. Like religion. I don't want anyone to think I'm here to convince you to change your religion or stop your religion or whatever. That was one of the coolest things I did in my sabbatical is I studied all the major organized religions of the world. I think the core message of almost all of them is love. So I don't have a problem with religion. I have a problem with organized religion because that's where the control comes into. That's the leverage you're speaking about. You know what a religion needs, organized religion needs? It needs you to need it. You know what governments need?

1:00:33Randy Gage: They need you to need them. That's the leverage they have on you. That's why I say a sovereign operator. Governments can't leverage me because I can say I have enough financial wherewithal. I could go and show you my, what's the whatever, the Matt Damon movie, the identity. Oh, the Bourne movies? born i could show you my born identity box of cash and passports and whatever to say i don't need it i love the united states of america i was born here i'm a proud american it's q lee greenwood everything but if government ever comes to the point where i say hey i don't have to live here i don't have to live here they can't control me i have the financial wherewithal to go anywhere There's no organized religion that can manipulate me or guilt me into supporting their cause.

1:01:38Randy Gage: I will support the things that I personally believe in that don't need to guilt me or run rackets on me or run leverage on me. That's the goal of Sovereign Operator is we become self-sufficient. And we haven't talked about AI at all, but that's very relevant to this concept of being a sovereign operator. Because in the world of AI, the sovereign operators are the people that can't be replaced by AI. Before we bring in Simone, I want to ask you for your perspective on what these words mean to you. So abundance, scarcity, enough, and manifestation. Abundance is not accumulating things. And scarcity is not the absence of things.

1:02:44Randy Gage: Abundance and scarcity are both mindsets. You have a mindset of abundance where you know I will attract this or something better. The things I need to get the life I want, I will attract that. And scarcity is also a mindset. There's people in my family who have a scarcity mindset, right? So if I say, hey, let's go downtown for dinner, their first default setting is going to be, it's Friday night, we'll never get a table, there'll be nowhere to park. That's a scarcity. It's a default setting, right? It's a mindset. People think prosperity is finite. They think money is finite. But all true forms of prosperity are infinite, right?

1:03:41Randy Gage: If somebody says, hey, Kwame, give me a hug. You don't say, well, no, I only got seven hugs left and the weekend's coming up. And you know, hey, the more hugs I give away, the more hugs I get back. The more love I give away, the more love I give back. And the same way, people think money is finite. Money is completely infinite. There's people say, well, I can't raise enough money for my business. No, you don't have a money shortage. You have an idea shortage, all right? You have a signal shortage. But there's no money shortage. There is literally trillions of dollars and pesos and pounds and rubles and whatever, desperately looking for something to invest it in.

1:04:26Randy Gage: Do you know how much cash Apple computer is sitting on right now? Do you know how much cash Warren Buffett is sitting on right now? That they have in these crappy 3%, 4 % bank accounts, municipal bonds, whatever. desperately looking for something that would give them a better return on investment. Even Bitcoin, people say, well, no, Bitcoin is finite because they're only going to mind. No, the only value of a Bitcoin is what somebody is willing to trade you for it. And this is true of any kind of currency, cryptocurrency, fiat currency. The true prosperity is only created two ways. We solve problems or we add value.

1:05:15Randy Gage: And if you can solve problems or add value, people will crawl naked over broken glass and throw their money at you. So there is no money shortage. Money is infinite. And manifestation, manifestation, I think that was the last word you asked me. It's just a process of attracting your true prosperity, creating, to me, the ultimate highest IQ, the highest genius is the ability to create your ideal life. Oh, that's good. That's good. And one more, enough, the word enough as it relates to prosperity. The most dangerous words in the human language are, how much is enough? Those four words. How much is enough?

1:06:13Randy Gage: Not because those four words are inherently evil, but because the motive of the person who is asking that question 99 % of the time. The question is coming from scarcity or poverty consciousness. You know, how much is enough anyway? You know, a car just takes you from point A to point B. They're all the same. No, you're full of shit if you think that. Okay. You have obviously never ridden in a Bentley Continental GT, or you would never make such a foolish statement. If you say, oh, the hotel rooms, once you turn off the light, they're all the same anyway. If you believe that, you're full of shit.

1:07:06Randy Gage: If you believe that, you have never stayed at the Four Seasons. You don't know the difference between a$4 ,000 mattress and a$400 mattress. You don't know the difference of a room that you hear every time the elevator door goes. You don't know the difference of a room that has moldy air conditioning. I was in a hotel suite. They had three balconies, three hot tubs, and a koala bear in a tree in my room. Now, if you think that is the same as a room at the Hilton Garden Inn, then you need to get your head examined. OK, so now if we want to approach the how much is enough issue of, yeah, do we want to not be hedonistic?

1:07:58Randy Gage: Because that was really the question when I sold everything and gave away everything. And I went on my two year sabbatical was, hey, do I own this stuff or does this stuff on me? and I want to get into, I want to go back and discover who I really am and what really adds value to my life. And if you want to do that kind of introspective, then I will salute you. But like I say, 99 % of the time when someone asks that question, it's just to propagate those ridiculous, not true negative beliefs. Cars are all the same, hotel room, you can only wear two shirts a day? How much is enough? And it's a very limiting negative belief.

1:08:45Randy Gage: This is great. This is great. Because as you speak, there are certain things that you say that are ridiculous beliefs that I'm realizing I have yet to unlearn. And it's so fascinating, which again, speaks to what you were talking about at the very beginning. You have to put yourself in front of people, whether they're in vivo or distance mentors to start recognizing how you can shift your mindset. And honestly, when I was thinking about the word enough, I was thinking about it from the perspective of the go-getter, the person who was taking the big swing, because that's something I recognize with myself where there was a time, I'm better at it now, where I would get an accomplishment and I would say, well, it's not as good as what that person did, or no, I could do more.

1:09:30And then I say, okay, where does this mentality end? So I was thinking about it from that element and I'm recognizing - Yeah.

1:09:38Randy Gage: And you know what, Kwame, there's a chapter in the book on this theme that I said earlier, divine disconnect, discontent, divine discontent. Whereas I believe that's what drives high level achievers forward is we can appreciate what we have and still aspire to do, have, and become more. And that's the balance of a sovereign operator is they, they, it's not just a sovereign operator would never make more money just to make more money. It just, it's not even on our radar. We make more money because we know that's the direct result of becoming the highest possible version of ourselves. You can't prevent people from throwing money at you if you continue to increase the value that you give the world, whether they're throwing money at you to pay you, to be around you, to have access to you, to get advice from you, or they're throwing money at you because they just want to support your work, whether it's a profit or a non-profit it is like i just want to see this work continue to get out into the world amazing no that's very very helpful and i know simone my bad i i was being selfish uh want to get you in and uh randy thank you for for this this has been great um i have interviewed with kwami maybe i don't know 200 300 people and i keep hearing hearing the same message of many things that no one told me at school.

1:11:19No one. So no one told me how to negotiate. No one taught me how to negotiate. And it is very important for life. No one taught me how to choose a proper girlfriend, for instance. And that's very important. And I had to learn the hard way as I had to learn the hard way how to negotiate. I am a designer. At the university, no one told me how to charge money for my work. I had three different teachers in Photoshop. They told me exactly how to use every tool at Photoshop, but no one told me how to charge money for that.

1:11:57Randy Gage: Right. So why they keep on installing in our brains those viruses, those things? Why they don't teach us how to actually get the money for what we do? or give us all the information to open our eyes? Why is that? Because they are infected with the same mind viruses and they don't even know they're infected. Wow. So they're just, this is why we call them memes. A meme, remember, is a mind virus. So this virus infects your subconscious mind just like a virus would infect the hard drive on your computer. Your subconscious mind, that's your operating system. So like if you read any of my books, you would see some of this.

1:12:59Randy Gage: But like the Radical Rebirth book, the new one, Wealth Without Apology, you'll see like the subliminal messages. is, and remember I told you, we've got those five areas that brainwash us, right? Datasphere is a big one. So in some of my books, I break down, hey, let's look at whatever generation you are, like I'm a baby boomer and we go all the way through. So if you're a baby boomer like me, what were the TV shows that you grew up watching? You watch Gilligan's Island, how were rich people portrayed in Gilligan's Island? We watched the Beverly Hillbillies, how were rich people portrayed in that, right?

1:13:40Randy Gage: And then we had the next generation. They watched MASH. Well, wasn't there always one rich guy in the tent? Thurston, you know, what was his name? Charles Winchester, who, you know, plays opera and he's very wealthy or whatever. And the third, like same thing with Gilligan's Island. Wasn't it Thurston Howell III? So we learned rich people are very persnickety. They use titles. They're very pretentious. Right. And then we go forward to Dallas and dynasty and Melrose. You know, how are wealthy people portrayed? How are successful people portrayed? And then go right up to today. Succession, billions, house of the dragon.

1:14:26Randy Gage: How do we portray rich people? So you are brainwashed without even knowing it. Right. how so I don't have to I can go to any one of the Jurassic Park movies I can go to any one of the alien movies I can go to Jaws I can go to any movie any whatever the genre is and I know who the bad guy is because it's going to be the wealthy person right so like I haven't even gone to the last Jurassic Park movie because this is number you know 29 or whatever it is but I remember seeing in the trailer and there's two kids and they're in like a glass bubble and the dinosaur is trying to eat the kids inside. Now, I've never been to the movie.

1:15:13I probably won't go because I know the

1:15:15Randy Gage: plot already. But I can guarantee you those two kids didn't get eaten by the dinosaur. Those kids are the star of the movie. They have to be the heroes, right? Who's going to get eaten by the dinosaur? The first guy is going to get eaten is the guy who has the most guns, the most ammo packs and guns and rifles and weapons. That's the first guy who's going to get eaten. But then the culmination of the movie is going to be the wealthy billionaire, trillionaire who's running the amusement park or running the research lab or running the whatever. That's the guy that the culmination is the dinosaur has to eat him because we have to anchor the memes in your brain.

1:15:57Randy Gage: Money is bad. Rich people are evil. It's spiritual to be poor, to be successful in business. You've got to be a bad parent to run a successful company. You've got to rip off your employees and plunder the environment. The memeplex, right? So you are going to the design school, learning Photoshop from people who went to design school, learning Photoshop, saying this is what worker drones in the collective do. they learn photoshop and they work for 22 dollars and 50 cents an hour and if they're really good they will make uh 80 000 a year and they'll kill themselves to do it and you never read a book by some crazy motherfucker named randy gage who said simone why in the fuck are you doing photoshop Why aren't you using AI tools to do your Photoshop for you and training other people how to do Photoshop and creating a business and then creating others how they could create their business and put leverage into your life.

1:17:13Randy Gage: And so you could create your ideal life with your ideal clients at your ideal income. They don't teach that in business school because who's teaching business school? A bunch of professors who are employees who got fed the same bullshit memes. OK, there I have there's another video. You have to put this on your show notes. OK, the video, it's on my YouTube channel. And I wrote that title is why I would burn an MBA degree before I would frame it. Right. Because I'm a high school dropout. That's why I'm successful. I didn't allow anyone to brainwash me into being a worker drawn in the collective, right?

1:17:59Randy Gage: I got expelled from school. I didn't have a choice, but that forced me. That was the greatest blessing because I became an entrepreneur then. Man, Randy, this is so good. So good. And I think this is a good advertisement for people to check out our YouTube page once we start putting our videos on because I want people to see my face and Simone's face when you answered that question. That was great. Randy, I appreciate you, brother. This is so helpful. And I appreciate you sharing all of this in general, but also sharing your story. Because when, again, like I said at the beginning, when people look at everything that you've accomplished at this point, it would be very hard to believe the humble beginnings that you had.

1:18:45But now they can also see in themselves There is a path forward. So this is important, important work. So before you go, I want to again, thank you and give you a last chance to let the listeners know again about the book and how they can get in touch and connect with your work.

1:19:02Randy Gage: okay so randy gauge.com that's kind of my starfleet command site podcast is there youtube show is there my blog is there a lot of got like 10 000 blog posts on money success prosperity things like that and then my breakthrough you which is my entrepreneur accelerator program the kind of people who are watching this show are the kind of people would thrive in that room. So take a look at that. And then the new book, Wealth Without Apology, buy two because I need the money. I say buy two because I really want you to buy two. I want you to buy one for you yourself to read. And then I want you to buy a second copy and I you to give it to some young couple that's arguing, newlyweds who are arguing about money every day, or some graduate high school or college who's just getting exposed to the world without knowing what the rules are and how the game is played, or particularly to a young or aspiring entrepreneur.

1:20:17Randy Gage: that book will really help them think about money and health and happiness and just the overall picture of prosperity in a whole new way amazing randy thank you again for coming on the show really appreciate it