[REPLAY] James Aitken – Market Implications of the Situation in Ukraine (Capital Allocators, EP.239)

10 Jul 2023 · 42 min

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Podcast Notes: Capital Allocators – Episode 239: James Aitken – Market Implications of the Situation in Ukraine

Podcast Overview Host: Ted Seides Guest: James Aitken, Founder of Aitken Advisors Date: [No date provided in transcript] Focus: Market implications of the Ukraine situation, risk tolerance shifts, geopolitical dynamics, and financial system plumbing.

Key Discussion Points

Introduction

  • Ted Seides introduces James Aitken as a macroeconomic consultant with significant expertise in the financial system.
  • The episode revisits critical insights about the ongoing situation in Ukraine and its market implications.

Historical Context and Market Analysis

  • Historical Analogies:
  • Aitken struggles to find relevant historical parallels to the current geopolitical landscape, mentioning past events from the 1970s, Cold War, and 1956 Hungary.
  • Market Dynamics:
  • Emphasizes that markets are a contest of ideas influenced by geopolitical issues rather than mere inflation discussions.
  • Investors are transitioning from a focus on inflation to geopolitical risks, particularly regarding Ukraine.

Investor Psychology and Strategies

  • Risk-Taking Strategies:
  • Discusses two investment strategies:
  • Maxi-max Strategy: Seeking the best possible outcomes.
  • Minimax Regret Strategy: Minimizing regret from poor decisions, influencing current investor behavior amidst uncertainty in Ukraine.
  • Impact on European Financials:
  • Aitken notes that investor sentiment has shifted dramatically, causing financial stocks to drop despite prior optimism.
  • European banks were previously showing strong fundamentals but now face significant geopolitical risks.

Financial System Plumbing and Sanctions

  • Self-Sanctioning:
  • Global banks are beginning to self-sanction in anticipation of formal sanctions, creating market turbulence.
  • Plumbing of Financial System:
  • Aitken highlights complications in energy payment chains and stresses the importance of proper documentation among financial institutions.

Energy Markets and ESG Considerations

  • Energy Market Constraints:
  • The situation in Ukraine has exacerbated existing supply-side constraints in global energy markets.
  • Discusses ESG's role in limiting investment in oil and gas, contributing to current shortages.
  • Implications of Higher Energy Prices:
  • Considers the likelihood of sustained higher inflation due to energy price increases and the geopolitical context surrounding these developments.

Central Banks and Inflation

  • Central Bank Reactions:
  • Aitken discusses how central banks may prioritize national security over inflation control, indicating possible challenges ahead.
  • Sustained Higher Inflation:
  • Aitken predicts that average inflation rates may remain persistently higher than in the decade prior to 2020.

Implications for Crypto and Reserve Currencies

  • Crypto Markets:
  • Discusses the potential for increased scrutiny and regulation of crypto markets in light of sanctions against Russian oligarchs.
  • Reserve Currency Discussion:
  • Questions the renminbi's potential as a reserve currency and the impact of Western sanctions on traditional currency dynamics.

Broader Geopolitical Implications

  • Future Concern:
  • Aitken expresses concern about possible future scenarios involving China and Taiwan, drawing parallels to current events in Ukraine.
  • Long-term Investment Strategies:
  • Suggests strategic investment in commodity-producing countries and highlights the need for a nuanced approach to portfolio management amid volatility.

Conclusion and Takeaways

  • No Clear Off-Ramp: Aitken conveys uncertainty regarding de-escalation of geopolitical tensions and the ongoing risk of increased sanctions.
  • Investment Caution: Advises caution among investors while recognizing potential opportunities in commodity-related assets.
  • Ongoing Reflection: Emphasizes the need for ongoing reflection on historical frameworks to better understand the current geopolitical landscape and its implications for financial markets.

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Key Takeaways

  • The importance of geopolitical factors in market dynamics, particularly in light of the Ukraine situation.
  • Investors are navigating complex psychological and strategic considerations due to heightened risks.
  • Self-sanctioning by global financial institutions is influencing market behavior beyond formal sanctions.
  • The energy sector is facing significant constraints exacerbated by geopolitical events and ESG considerations.
  • Central banks may have to navigate challenging trade-offs between inflation and national security concerns.
  • The discussions surrounding reserve currencies and the potential role of crypto are evolving amidst these tensions.

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1:55Hello, I'm Ted Seides, and this is Capital Allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation. Through conversations with leaders in the money game, we learn how these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital. You can join our mailing list and access premium content at CapitalAllocators.com. Today's show is another special episode discussing the situation in Ukraine. My guest is James Aitken, the founder of Aitken Advisors, a one-man macroeconomic consultancy based in Wimbledon, England, that works with approximately 100 of the most influential pools of capital in the world.

2:40He's been a repeat guest on the show, sharing his deep understanding of the inner workings of the financial system. Our first conversation from back in 2018, including his background and process, is replayed in the feed, and the rest of the episodes are available on the website. This time around, our conversation covers James' perspective on the unfolding situation in Ukraine and its implications on markets. We discuss the shift in risk tolerance, friction in the plumbing of the financial system, interaction of energy markets and ESG, inflation and interest rates, reserve currencies and crypto, and his most important takeaways.

3:21Please enjoy this special conversation with James Aitken. James, great to see you. Thanks for doing this on short notice. Likewise, Ted, always good to see you. Extraordinary times, right? It is. I thought it'd be really interesting to get your take on the implication of what's happening on markets. And with that, why don't I just open it up to you? Like all humans, I've been wondering, is there any historical analog that I can grasp or my clients can grasp to help us think about this period? We all look for patterns to help us with our judgments. And I'm struggling. I'm struggling that you can pick a bit from the 70s or Cold Wars or 1960s or other periods if one wanted to be really dramatic like 1956 in Hungary, but I don't think any of that's going to help us.

4:11I was just thinking as a way to frame this in a useful way for investors, and perhaps we start with this. I mean, markets are a contest of ideas and an accumulation of positions. That's all they are. And for the past few months, we've had this contest over inflation. How long is it going to last for? And what does that mean for central banks and so forth. And I'm starting to think that as important as that inflation conversation has been, I'm not sure that matters anymore, or at least not to the extent we thought it might three weeks ago, because this is now exclusively about geopolitics. But of course, we will talk about markets, but think about regret and think about the psychology of investing.

4:53And I know this is a bit high max strategy involves selecting the alternative that maximizes the maximum payoff available. And in practical sense, a recent example of that would be those investors who went long everything in March and April 2020, expecting a colossal sustained policy response. So the maxi max strategy is suitable for an optimistic, risk-seeking investor who desires to maximize their returns from the best possible outcome. A minimax regret strategy is one in which the investor seeks to minimize their maximum regret. How do I minimize the damage from the worst-case outcome? And it's the opportunity loss through having made the wrong decision.

5:53That's what regret is. And I just have to say that based upon nonstop client calls over the past several days, and particularly through the weekend, it seems a growing number of investors realize the seriousness of the situation we face today and the desirous of minimizing their maximum regret over getting this Ukraine situation wrong. And that is starting to impact asset prices far beyond energy and commodities as we're seeing all across our Bloomberg screens. What does the maximum regret look like in your client's eyes? Let's again think in practical terms. One client said to me this morning, we are all euro stocks banks now.

6:43Everything is trading off estimated or real damage to European financials combined with a bit of energy volatility. And let's just stick with that. For a number of good fundamental reasons, global investors were starting to return to European financials. There are a number of good fundamental structural changes afoot. European banks were starting to return an awful lot of capital, boost buybacks, increase dividends. The economic outlook in Europe up until recently looked pretty good. And you saw a slow, steady appreciation in European bank stocks. Well, not anymore. and everyone's now an expert about how bad the situation's going to be in Europe.

7:26And indeed, Ted, if one takes the belligerent pronouncements of European politicians and policymakers at face value, it seems that in an effort to thwart Mr Putin, Europe is prepared to tolerate a recession or at least something that looks awfully like a textbook definition of stagflation. So unsurprisingly, there's been some people trying to get out of their positions in European financials. But that's the short-term money. The long-term money is like, oh dear, we had a number of cogent reasons to own European financial institutions. But this is a very real exogenous shock. What do we do? Now, in putting some numbers on it, and these are approximate numbers, in European recessions, and we've had a couple of them over the past decade or so, European financial stocks tend to drop anywhere between 40 % and 45%, in some cases a lot more.

8:22So if late last week, European financials generically are down 25%, they're now down more, then it's a bit of a dilemma for the patient long-only investor who thinks that European financials are actually due to outperform for the first time in many, many years. What do you do? Do you sell something that's down 25 % or 30 % thinking it might drop another 10 % or do you just try and ride it out? And that's the dilemma quite a few people are facing right now. But if in doubt, if you're engaging in the minimax regret strategy and you think this Ukraine situation could drag on, you just hit a bid. And it's a really tricky one.

9:01When you start talking about the financials, you really do have a deep understanding of the plumbing of the financial system. There's talk about SWIFT. How should we be thinking about the implications of sanctions of SWIFT on markets? it's interesting how the sanctions haven't actually come into effect yet. And the US Treasury in particular has been very keen to point out that the entities that have been sanctioned, the ones that have not, and how keen they are not to do anything that might jeopardize not just energy, but energy payment chains. And we'll come back to that payment chain idea in a moment.

9:46But it's interesting, Ted, because there's a 30-day grace period when Washington, or should I say Treasury, announced the sanctions. The bulk of the US sanctions don't come into effect until March 26th. So you think to yourself, okay, there's an opportunity here for market participants to trim their books, trim their exposures in a sensible way. A 30-day grace period, everything should hum along nicely, which is obviously exactly what has not happened. and there's some important historical context. So as much as the official sanctions don't kick in for a bit, the private sector, large global banks, have started self-sanctioning because look at the fines that all these big global institutions or one particular European institution had to pay over the past decade when it became apparent they had breached sanctions on Iran or Venezuela and elsewhere.

10:40So if I'm a big European bank or a global bank, and I can see that there's a window for the sanctions before the sanctions come into effect, I'm going to start to wind everything down now. So to me, it's not the official sanctions that are driving the turbulence under the surface of commodity markets in particular. It's the eagerness of private sector financial institutions and banks in particular to self-sanction lest they inadvertently release payment to an entity or a company or a person who is going to go onto these sanctions lists, that ultimately comes back to haunt them in three to six months' time.

11:23So it's, okay, if in doubt, no, no, and no. And to drill down into the real plumbing, as ever, it's all about documentation. What's been happening over the past week, and I know some of these people, is that general counsel of various large European financial institutions and global institutions have been going through all their loan and derivative documentation with all sorts of Russian counterparties. They're trying to understand if they can stop payment or stop lines of credit being drawn down. And happily, in many cases, there is a what's called a draw draw stop clause. So if I'm an Italian bank and the Russian counterparty says, oh, I want to draw down on my billion euros, you say, well, actually under our draw stop clause, this is a trigger event.

12:15And I'm sorry that our line of credit is no longer valid. And you're seeing that snowball across all sorts of markets. But of course, Ted, it's not just a European financial institution guarding against breaching sanctions with a designated Russian counterparty. It's all these payment chains that run through SMEs across Europe or banks in Europe that might have used Russian banks to clear certain payments on certain transactions. It's not just related to energy cargos, it's also energy infrastructure and everything else. And untangling that unsurprisingly is complicated. And in the case of energy, you've still got some fairly antiquated methods for confirming commodity-related transactions.

13:05And to unwind all of that in a smooth way in a 30-day window is obviously not a sensible thought, but people are trying. So it's the self-sanctioning that's driving markets. Now, let me give you another practical example to help them think about what's happening. It is known, and this is in the public domain, that Gazprom PLC here in London is the entity that hedges Gazprom's energy cargos. Now, as best one can determine, it's a pretty simple business. Gazprom PLC uses listed commodity contracts with a dabbling of over-the-counter contracts to hedge all the cargos that Gazprom may be selling. Now, there's a reason that Gazprom Bank has not gotten on and may not go on at all the sanctions list.

13:57Because what US Treasury learned in 2014 is that if you put Gazprom Bank on the sanctions list, you break energy payment trails everywhere. Because Gazprom Bank is the key intermediary, or has been the key intermediary, for all sorts of global payments from global energy companies to and from Russia. So if you put Gazprom Bank on the sanctions list, and it may yet happen, I don't know, then you irrevocably break all sorts of energy payment chains between Western institutions and Russia and vice versa, and who knows what happens. So what's that got to do with Gazprom PLC here in the UK? Well, for a number of reasons, who knows if Gazprom PLC will be a going concern beyond the next one to three months?

14:51We don't know. But what happens to all those hedges on listed exchanges that Gazprom PLC may have had? Right now, I'd imagine they're probably at some level trying to buy them all back, as are many other people. But if Gazprom bank is no longer a going concern and walks away from these listed energy futures that it is used to hedge their cargoes. What's the ripple effect through certain clearinghouses? What does it mean for default funds at the clearinghouses? We have to start to think about some pretty interesting plumbing problems. And look, again, the key point here is untangling all these commodity payment chains, or should I say energy payment chains to and from Russia, is a very complicated thing.

15:37But the mood of the private sector financial institutions is, if in doubt, say no, decline, chop lines, and then ask questions later. But I think we've still got a long way to go to sort this out. And I think the ripple effects through the plumbing of what's happening to these energy payment chains has barely begun to be felt. And this is before, Ted, we ratchet up sanctions. Because I think as Marco and other people have pointed out, as much as the West is very keen to impose sanctions on Putin, and very keen, it seems, to believe that the sanctions may result in regime change in Russia, so far, these sanctions have had absolutely no impact on Mr.

16:22Putin's behavior. So if we're going to start to think about sanctioning Russian oil, do we then move on to other Russian commodities? Do we then move on ultimately if we can secure other supply Russian gas? And then how do we think about all those payment chains that are starting to open up between Russia and China? Should we start to sanction those as well? This is where it gets very tricky. If we take a step back from the plumbing, And there's certainly risk. I'm hearing many versions of Lehman going on in my head with the complexities of stopping the source of liquidity in this one sector. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the energy markets.

17:06We knew going into this that there were various energy supply constraints. Now, that's a bit of an understatement. And we knew that there was a very keen political clamour towards net zero. In fact, it seemed like a lot of countries were in a race to net zero. Any thinking market participant or any thinking citizen knew that there was a huge cost to the climate transition, even if it wasn't publicly discussed. And we also knew that as a result of ESG and other things, that there was not a great number of incentives for any oil and gas company around the world to invest in more oil and gas capex to boost supply.

17:51We knew all of that. This development has effectively exacerbated and exposed existing supply side constraints in global energy markets. Now, there's a bit of a problem here. I know and believe me, I am very tempted to just say this is all ESG. It's nonsense. Okay, there's perhaps some hints of that in Europe, particularly Europe, contributing to this energy shortage. But we need to go back a little bit. And again, let's try and make it practical. I gave a presentation to some friends of mine at the end of July last year. And it was a room of, I'll just say, large institutional patient capital in North America.

18:34And the topic of my presentation was oil, ESG, and inflation, three sides of the same coin. Sounds very clever, doesn't it? But I think you can intuit what the message was, look, we're going to need a lot of oil for the climate transition. We're going to need a lot of gas. ESG probably disincentivizes oil and gas companies to invest in oil and gas capex because you're not going to be allowed. And then all of that probably feeds through to high gasoline prices, inflation, and here we are. So it was intuitive. But the feedback from the people in the room controlling enormous amounts of capital was super interesting.

19:10It's like, We agree on oil and gas. They were even back in July last year being offered high single digit returns way up the capital structure in all sorts of energy opportunities across North America. Couldn't touch it. And they couldn't touch it because their regents or their investment committee or student body or all of the above had said, no, no, no, no, no. You need to get out of all of that. You cannot invest in fossil fuels. It's all renewables or nothing. So from that perspective, it is tempting to say, oh, it's ESG, ESG, ESG. I'll just be a little bit more subtle and say that, yes, the climate transition juggernaut, the net zero juggernaut, and the ESG juggernaut does have to accept some responsibility for the energy market constraints that we're all discovering now, or at least we're all more aware of now.

20:02But there's something else that we need to keep in mind with regards to US shale. And you recall that nobody blew more capital more spectacularly than US shale. I think in the 10 years to 2017, Ted, when I looked it up, US shale companies blew through about 300 billion of capital. If in doubt, drill a hole, pump it out, borrow as much as you could against the oil coming out of the ground and do it again and again and again. There was no shale capital discipline to speak of. And then from 2017 onwards, you had activist investors went on the register of some of the better US shale producers and said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

20:45You need to be much more disciplined with your capital. You need to be much more responsible. We're not telling you no CapEx, but none of this drill a hole, pump it out, borrow, rinse, repeat. You're going to be a responsible business. And that also changed the incentives for these US shale producers before the ESG juggernaut, when the climate transition and net zero juggernaut took hold. So to be clear, what's been happening over the past year or so, it has, I think, opened people's eyes to just how constrained global energy markets are. are. And unless oil and gas companies are given unambiguous political cover to expand CapEx once more in the naughty stuff, the non-renewables, then I'm afraid it's difficult to imagine a rapid solution to the energy supply bottlenecks that we're all seeing right now, Ted.

21:47It's very difficult. All of that leads to, on the energy side, oil prices over$100. There's been lots of inflation in the recent statistics. Only fuels it more. So how are you thinking about the implications of inflation for a longer period of time on portfolios? Well, I'm not going to win any prizes here, but you'd have to guess that the probability of sustained higher inflation has gone up. There you go. Genius. More seriously, even as we turned into 2022, the odds were quite high that it would be more difficult and take longer to address the supply chain bottlenecks and therefore goods price inflation.

22:36We also had ample data in the United States in particular, that services inflation was broadening out across sectors and increasing. Nominal wage inflation in a very tight labor market is ongoing, although real wages are not quite rising. And then, of course, you've got this climate transition humming in the background. I'd say, best I can tell at least, as we turned into 2022, the odds were already rising that over the next several years, average inflation would turn out to be higher than in at least the 10 years prior to, say, 2020. That would be my best guess. And I think this tends to underwrite that idea.

23:16So, of course, perhaps by the end of this year, we unclog some of these supply chain bottlenecks, although it's less likely if the Ukraine situation extends. So goods price inflation may or may not come down, services inflation broadening out, it's probably, I think, increasingly likely that average inflation over the next several years turns out to be uncomfortably higher than people are used to, or at least that their asset higher than their asset allocation models may have considered or factored in. And Ted, if average realized inflation over the next several years is likely to be comfortably higher, then it probably means that average realized interest rates are going to be somewhat higher, and more precisely, that average realized interest rate volatility is going to be higher, all of which is probably a pretty strong headwind for some of the most loved assets that we're seeing on screens today.

24:14And obviously, most of all, that would probably continue to be a very strong headwind for what remain hideously overpriced long duration hyper growth stocks. I mean, obviously, but it's also a bit of a headwind for credit. And on balance, it probably means that financial conditions need to tighten or will continue to tighten, which makes for a big challenge for markets. But maybe all of this misses the point. I mean, we are market participants trying to understand how to not lose money and then trying to figure out how to make it. But first and foremost, we're all trying to process a very serious geopolitical event.

24:53And as I said at the start, we've had this debate in markets over inflation and how central banks can or should respond. And there's also been this rather strange discussion in markets about, oh, does the Fed, for example, face a hard trade-off between growth and inflation, which I found a bit strange. But I do think it is fair to say that we now have a very different trade-off for central banks, because maybe it's not a trade-off, if you will, between higher realised inflation and growth. Maybe it's a trade-off between which is more important, addressing inflation or national security and geostrategic concerns.

25:35I mean, for example, I do think the Fed can get away with a few rate hikes here, even though the situation is deteriorating in Ukraine, because the underlying growth of the US economy heretofore has been pretty solid. So I think the Fed can get away with a handful of rate hikes here. We shall see. But that doesn't mean they're just going to keep fighting inflation at all costs. If sanctions keep going up, if disruption in financial markets keeps going up, and if key global energy markets remain extremely volatile, given the direct read through to households and household consumption and so forth.

26:09And look, it's even a worse problem in Europe, because up until three weeks ago, the ECB, in their idiosyncratic way, were moving towards withdrawing monetary stimulus. And Ted, it was incredible, again, up until three weeks ago, to think that the main policy rate in Europe at a time of much higher realized inflation was still minus 50 basis points and the ECB still buying assets. And they were just building consensus about the need to tighten policy later this year. And now they've been smacked by this Ukraine situation. It's a horrible, horrible situation for the ECB to be in. And perhaps unsurprisingly, the shock absorber for this in Europe is European financials, shares, and of course, the euro.

26:59But just on that, there's a lot of people saying, oh, this is all about dollar strength, the dollar's gapping away and everything else. That's not quite right. It's more a story of euro weakness. So where am I going with all of that? It's a very different environment for investors. I think it's a very brave investor that says, right, I am going to go in and buy X now on the assumption that the Ukraine situation is going to dissipate and that eventually we'll find a solution. I think it's too early to do that because as best I can tell, sanctions are going to go up a couple of notches to have any hope of altering Mr.

27:35Putin's behavior. And if we think sanctions are going to continue to tighten, if we think belligerent in the literal sense of the word, certain belligerent European politicians egged on by their citizens are willing to help Ukraine arm and help Ukraine fight back, then my best guess would be that the volatility that we've started to see in financial markets is set to continue and expand across all asset classes. And that's a tricky time for us all. With equities, credit, commodities looking to be volatile in risk, the other area that relates to all the banking activity, to some extent, is crypto.

28:17And I'm curious what you think the implications are of these events on crypto markets. Unsurprisingly, Ted, as soon as Washington, and let us not forget, Europe impounded Russia's foreign reserves, there was an immediate, aha, told you so, you can't trust reserve currencies anymore. This is great for crypto. I get why a bunch of people might like to say that. And then in parallel, there were people saying, you can't trust the United States. You can't trust Europe. It's a no-brainer. The renminbi will be the world's new reserve currency. And there's just a couple of points on that. If the United States alone had impounded the Central Bank of Russia's dollar reserves, then I would say, oh gosh, this is not a good time for the dollar hegemon, etc., and start to think about long-term spillovers on other potential reserve currencies.

29:20But of course, it was both the United States and Europe that impounded the dollar and euro reserves of the central bank of Russia. It was not the United States going alone. And I think therefore people need to recalibrate this discussion that the US is somehow losing dollar hegemon. We'll get to crypto in a moment. But on the subject of the remnambi being a reserve currency, I have a few doubts about that. I'm not sure you can be a true reserve currency if your capital account is shut. And as much as various active and passive investors have increased their remnambi exposure over the past couple of years, I wouldn't fancy going into a Chinese court under Chinese law looking to recover full value of my RemNimbi assets.

30:08I'm not sure that's an upgrade from the rule of law as we understand it in the West. Time will tell. So I don't think there's any immediate reappraisal of the RemNimbi as a global reserve asset and we start to see colossal flows into it, or should I say accelerated inflows out of dollars and euros into RemNimbi. I'm not convinced. As for crypto, it's really tricky because I think the dumbest thing any Russian oligarch could do now would be to attempt to put hundreds of millions of dollars or whatever they want into crypto because I reckon it would rather show up in the price, would be my guess.

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30:48And if you wanted to give those running US sanctions or European sanctions an opportunity to crack down on crypto markets, then that would be it. Either encourage or facilitate large inflows into crypto, or coins I should say, from people who might be on the sanctions list, because I reckon that would immediately raise the ire of those who are seeking to impose these sanctions and result in investigations or further regulation of crypto markets. I don't know. So to be clear, a brave new world, an extraordinary world, where the United States and Europe have impounded the reserves of the Central Bank of Russia.

31:35Extraordinary. But it's not obvious to me that this is a, people like to say, watershed. It's certainly very different, and we need to reflect on it. But it's not clear that this is an immediate watershed. Well, that's tautology, that it is a watershed for crypto markets, nor that it is a watershed for the RMNIMBY. Now, the other thing just on crypto that I'm wondering about, as the popularity of Bitcoin and Ethereum has gained, unsurprising the number of participants has exploded. It's no surprise, I guess, that the correlation between these instruments and let's call them more traditional legacy financial markets like stocks and bonds has gone up a bit and changed.

32:16And if we go into a sustained risk-off event in markets or a sustained geopolitical event that keeps markets on the run, and people are like, oh dear, I need to raise cash. I wonder if people seek to raise cash in the investments that have generally done the best over the past couple of years. and I think crypto might be one of those. Look, I don't know, Ted, but I think the ramifications of what's just happened in terms of sanctions, the speed with which these sanctions have been put together and what it means for asset allocators worldwide, I don't think we'll fully understand for some time yet.

32:56But I just caution those who think this is automatically the end of dollar hegemon may need to recalibrate those expectations because I don't think it is. It might make sense to wrap with one of your favorite questions, which is, so what? So we've been talking about a lot of the strategic implications of what's happening in the Ukraine and the energy markets on rates on some of the other markets around the world. What do we do with this? the largest so what to me is what if the sanctions don't work what's next not only that but what's the extrapolation read across to china and what does this all mean for taiwan that's the big so what for me now i know this is not an immediate okay i need to do something right now i get that but i'm really thinking hard about we've got this situation where large global financial institutions, I should say banks really, are self-sanctioning all their Russian counterparty exposure.

34:01What does the world look like if we all start to self-sanction Chinese exposure? Because many, not all, but many of the arguments that people are deploying now to justify sanctions and other penalties against Putin and his regime, you swap a couple of words around and it makes you think this is Taiwan at some stage. And that's what I'm really worried about. Now, look, the counter argument is you must be kidding me. The economic cost of the West self-sanctioning from Renminbi assets, Chinese supply chains on the Chinese economy, you must be kidding me because there's a huge cost to pay. And Xi Jinping has played a blinder by betting that the more entangled Western capitalism was in the Chinese economy and financial system and renminbi assets, the much lower the pain threshold that the West might have to ever punish China or Chinese adventurism across the Taiwan Straits.

35:11I don't know. But when you ask me, what's the so what of the situation right now, I am afraid thinking about Taiwan. That's what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about if people are worried about their Russian exposure today, how should they think about their Chinese exposure down the line and what's the cost going to be? So that's the first thing. In the more immediate term, look, I have to say, if you put your investing hat on, there are a lot of things you might want to invest in. I mean, yes, even European financials. The situation there, if we can muddle through, looks like reasonable value again, but I have no confidence in that.

35:54But I think, Ted, the top near-term consideration for me is what if this is no longer about inflation? What if, because we need to accept that this is an enormous geostrategic geopolitical game, that this is not about inflation? If you give politicians a hard trade-off between landing one on Putin's nose and forcing him to back down and tolerating higher inflation, I think they will end up tolerating higher inflation. And it's no wonder that asset allocators have rushed back in to buying inflation-protected government bonds. It makes a lot of sense if you think that's the way forward. And if real five and 10 year real yields are going to come back down, then there's going to be all these asset allocation machines out there that say, oh, I need to buy more duration.

36:47I need to buy back some of these high growth tech stocks that I sold out of. Now, we shall see. But I think in terms of tactics, again, no prizes here, but there seems to be a near-term opportunity to increase one's exposure to commodity-producing countries. Obviously, it could be Brazil, it could be South Africa, or it could be something like Australia, or if one trusts Trudeau, who knows, the Canadian dollar. And unsurprisingly, you have seen Brazil, South Africa, and the Australian dollar outperform the euro because the euro is bearing the brunt of this global adjustment. But there's one more thought that's on my mind, and it loops back into this inflation conversation.

37:32If, as they currently indicate in all the polls, European citizens and German citizens in particular are very keen to teach Mr. Putin a lesson, then presumably, if you're Probably there is an implied trade-off with higher energy prices. And how are politicians going to assist households with that energy shock, which they hope is a one-off? And the answer is probably more fiscal spending, more transfers to households. And that conversation is already underway. In fact, it's happening here in the UK, where Chancellor Sunak has said, oh, we will assist households with their energy bills. Here's a one-off payment.

38:15Now, Sunak is a very smart chap. And the assumption in these plans is that there's a one-off jump in household energy bills and then everything settles down. Well, what happens if the energy bills keep going up and up and up? And if European politicians are serious, and I suspect they are, about sending a message to Mr. Putin and toughing out a move up in energy prices, then I don't see how you muddle through without more fiscal largesse for households. I mean, if you could do it in April 2020, direct fiscal transfers to households, then in something that might arguably be far more important for global politics and geostrategic relationships, then are you not going to do fiscal transfers to help households deal with higher energy prices?

39:06and if we're all going to turn on fiscal policy again, if almost unimaginably we're going to do away with the debt break in Germany or at least de-emphasize it or the stability and growth pack in Europe, which by the way I think is dead anyway, then what does that mean for inflation again? It comes back to your good question. Doesn't it mean that average realized inflation stays a lot higher over the next several years? Does that not mean that average realized interest rate volatility stays a lot higher than it's been over the past decade or more? Does that not mean that we must own different assets if we're going to navigate our portfolios through this period?

39:49And the answer is, of course, it probably does all the above. And as much as commodity prices are ripping, I wonder whether we've seen the full extent of this if one assumes that Western powers have no choice but tighten sanctions further on Mr. Putin who doesn't show too many signs of wanting to back down. How does this ripple across asset markets, not just from a tactical, but from a structural basis? And I think, as you and I have discussed from time to time, it's less the case today. But you look at global flows into commodity and resources stocks. I mean, obviously, they've picked up a bit over the past three, six months and certainly the past three weeks.

40:30But compared to other sectors, I mean, commodities and resources are still enormously under-owned. And I think investors are just starting to realize, ESG or no ESG, that there's probably some fairly good long-term value in commodity and resources stocks that this current episode is exposing. All right, James, biggest takeaways and what we should be thinking about in the weeks ahead. Biggest takeaway is a geopolitical one, frankly, is that I know it's a diplomatic cliche, but there is no obvious off-ramp here. There is no obvious way of de-escalating this. Now, of course, there must be some way.

41:10I just can't think of it. I can't think of it yet. If there is no obvious off-ramp because neither side wants to back down, then the implications are probably sanctions go up a couple of notches. And at some point, Western governments may have to say, you know what, we need to go after all his energy and all his commodities. And what are the spillovers of that? Growth risks aside, I struggle to see how we avoid higher realised inflation for a lot longer than people were pencilling in. I think the Fed has an opportunity to tighten here maybe a few times because US growth is a bit more solid than certainly Europe.

41:49I think investors are appreciating that we have a very difficult situation on our hands and that as attractive as certain assets are, I think you still need to be extremely cautious. tactically and unsurprisingly. People are looking to commodity exporting countries and currencies, such as Brazil, South Africa, Australia, to some extent Canada, to hide out or to benefit from this turmoil. And I think that's probably right. But most of all, and the thing I'm struggling with is I'm trying to find some kind of historical framework that helps me understand the present. and I can't. That's the thing that I find so frustrating.

42:29I really struggle to find a good historical analog. Suffice to say, I would imagine that portfolios that continue to be structurally turned towards commodity and resources are going to do well because I think we're probably on the front edge of a sustained period of commodities nationalism, which serves to broadly tighten supply. And that's before we, Ted, consider the huge amount of raw materials and copper and lithium and nickel required for all those electric vehicles that apparently we're going to make. Well, James, thanks as always for hopping on a fascinating look at what's happening. And I'm sure we'll touch base soon.

43:11Well, I appreciate your time, Ted. And I wish every listener, well, this is a very tricky period. May we be less wrong. Thanks for listening to the show. If you like what you heard, hop on our website at CapitalAllocators.com, where you can access past shows, join our mailing list, and sign up for premium content. Have a good one, and see you next time.

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James Aitken is the Founder of Aitken Advisors, a one-man macroeconomic consultancy based in Wimbledon, England that works with approximately one hundred of the most influential pools of capital in the world. He has been a repeat guest on the show, sharing his deep understanding of the inner workings of the financial system. Our first conversation from back in 2018 including his background and process, is replayed in the feed, and the rest of the episodes are available on the website.

This time around, our conversation covers James’ perspective on the unfolding situation in Ukraine and its implications on markets. We discuss the shift in risk tolerance, friction in the plumbing of the financial system, interaction of energy markets and ESG, inflation and interest rates, reserve currencies and crypto, and his most important takeaways.

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