In short
Fast Money 8/31/26 covers: (1) Markets pressured by rising Treasury yields, tied to U.S.-Iran tensions and the G20 finance meeting. The 10-year Treasury yield is near 4.75% (multi-year high since Jan 2025). Guests debate whether the Fed will hike in September amid upcoming jobs, Beige Book, and ISM data.
Key claims
yields reflect structural global debt/monetary policy, not just inflation; “bond vigilantes” will dominate; credit spreads are at all-time lows; a hike may be needed for credibility. (2) Energy stocks rally: oil up after U.S.-Iran fire exchange; WTI near $86. (3) Apple leadership reset: Tim Cook hands off to John Ternus; Phil Schiller steps down. (4) Bitcoin/Strategy: Michael Saylor buys $370M BTC; MSTR up sharply but still down YTD; “buyer beware” near $80k. (5) Trump drug-pricing deals: nine drugmakers agree to sell at lower prices under “most favored nation,” affecting Medicaid. (6) Alphabet weakness: longest monthly losing streak since 2015; regulation and ad competition concerns. (7) Hotel stocks: chart master warns against the group.
Guests
Tim Seymour (hedge fund/market commentator), Dan Nathan (market commentator), Guy Adami (market commentator), Marta Norton (Empower chief investment strategist), Mike Cantopoulos (Janus Henderson multi-asset macro), Megan Casella (CNBC reporter), Jared Holtz (Mizuho health care specialist), Carter Braxton Worth (chart technician).
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Chapters
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0:00 to 0:22
Discussion on the impacts of rising yields on stock market performance.
“Mazda has been named Consumer Reports' safest new car brand.”
Market Overview: Rising Yields and Stock Performance
1:42 to 2:10
Discussion on the impacts of rising yields on stock market performance.
“We begin with the benchmark 10-year treasury closing at its highest level, dating back to January of last year, 2025.”
Live Update from G20 Finance Meeting
2:10 to 2:26
Megan Casella reports from the G20 finance leaders' meeting.
“Treasury Secretary Scott Besson and Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh arriving in Asheville, North Carolina yesterday.”
U.S. Strategy on Iran and Trade with Canada
2:26 to 3:54
Insights on U.S. strategies regarding Iran and tariffs with Canada.
“Frank, hello from the Blue Ridge Mountains, where it has been a busy first day of programming at the G20 finance minister's meeting.”
Bond Market Dynamics and Policy Implications
3:54 to 5:04
Discussion on bond market dynamics and the implications for U.S. policy.
“One final point, we're also tracking a number of bilateral meetings that the secretary is holding on the sidelines of this summit.”
The Fed's Future Actions: Waiting Game?
5:04 to 6:34
Panel discussion on whether the Fed will raise interest rates this year.
“And of course, there's been so much discussion about whether Besant is going far enough to let the bond market speak, as Stanley Druckenmiller put it last week.”
Economic Indicators and Their Impact
6:34 to 8:30
Analysis of economic indicators and their influence on the market.
“You've got governments in place in Japan that are very fiscally oriented, meaning let's spend as much as we can because we think it's in the best interest of our sovereignty.”
Market Sentiment and Expectations for the Fed
8:30 to 11:40
Discussion on market sentiment regarding impending Fed actions and hikes.
“But right now, it does feel like if they can wait a few months as far as raising interest rates, we might be in a different situation, you know, towards the end of the year.”
Market Interventions and Effectiveness
11:40 to 14:01
Debate on the effectiveness of market interventions by the Treasury and Fed.
“With that, let's bring in Mike Cantopoulos, head of multi-asset macro investing at Janice Henderson Investors.”
Federal Reserve Discussions
14:01 to 16:15
An analysis of the Federal Reserve's potential actions and the impact on markets.
“You have to really be manipulating markets to a huge degree to have a tremendous amount of influence on the currency or where rates are going.”
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Treasury Secretary and AI Trends
16:16 to 16:59
Discussion on the Treasury Secretary's comments regarding AI and disinflation.
“It seems like there's some consternation around the table.”
Energy Sector Insights
17:00 to 19:37
Examination of the energy sector's performance amidst geopolitical tensions.
“The best performing sector today surging two percent to hit record highs.”
Energy Sector Insights
20:11 to 20:40
Examination of the energy sector's performance amidst geopolitical tensions.
“At Venture Global, we think about what can be done, not what's usually done.”
Apple's Leadership Transition
21:40 to 27:48
A deep dive into Apple's CEO transition and executive changes.
“The clock is ticking on Tim Cook's final day as the CEO of Apple.”
Looking Ahead: Bitcoin and Drug Pricing
28:42 to 29:00
Preview of upcoming discussions on Bitcoin and pharmaceutical policies.
Analyzing Bitcoin's Recent Surge
29:20 to 31:04
A deep dive into the recent movements in Bitcoin and its implications.
“Yeah, you know, when you pull up that chart and you look at that move, you know, we were banging around holding that 60 ,000 level.”
Biotech Executives and Drug Pricing
31:05 to 31:30
Discussion on biotech executives visiting the White House and drug pricing measures.
“and the reasons why people are buying gold, some piece of that is a Bitcoin rally.”
Impact of Drug Pricing Policies
31:43 to 36:26
Insight into the implications of new drug pricing policies on the healthcare market.
“The Nasdaq also fractionally lower, while the Nasdaq 100 managed just to eke out a game.”
Healthcare Sector Performance Overview
36:27 to 37:40
Evaluation of healthcare sector performance and stock valuations.
“And what or what are what are people talking about?”
Alphabet's Struggles Amidst Digital Ad Challenges
37:41 to 40:54
Analysis of Alphabet's stock performance and challenges in the digital ad space.
“Any reason why we're seeing so much acceleration in the second half of the year?”
Final Thoughts on Stock Market Dynamics
40:55 to 42:00
Discussion on market dynamics including stock dilution and debt issuance.
“But that ad business, I think it was 26 percent growth.”
Market Analysis: Impact of Debt Issuance
42:00 to 42:42
Discussion on the implications of debt issuance on company valuations.
“The time we talked about it, I know when I was on the show, and I think Dan and Tim were as well, I dismissed it because$80 billion is really sort of a rounding error.”
Chart Master on Hotel Stocks
42:42 to 43:38
Carter Braxton Worth analyzes the performance of major hotel stocks.
“The chart master joins us next on the Troubling Technicals.”
Consumer Discretionary Insights
43:38 to 45:03
Panelists discuss the valuation and performance of the consumer discretionary sector.
“It too is breaking below its 150-day moving average.”
Breaking News: Army Secretary's Resignation
45:03 to 45:46
Report on the resignation of U.S. Army Secretary Dan Driscoll amidst ongoing conflicts.
“Expedia has gone through the roof, though.”
Final Trades Roundup
45:46 to 47:08
Panelists share their final trades and stock recommendations.
“I mean, Frank, such great work on that Google analysis that I asked on my final trade.”
Transcript
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0:43All curated just for traders. Plus, guided learning paths with content designed to fit your unique interests. And no sifting to find exactly what you need, so you can spend your time learning to trade brilliantly. Learn more at schwab.com slash trading. Live from the Mazdaq Market Site in the heart of Times Square in New York City, this is Fast Money, and here's what's on tap tonight. stocks closing out a winning month with kind of a whimper as yields continue to climb to multi-year highs with a surge in energy and rates start a september swoon for the markets we will debate that much more plus alphabets losing streak continued shares of google are now down for four straight months the longest stretch lower since 2015 what could spark a turnaround we're going to break that down then later tim cook hanging them up at apple strategies new bitcoin buy and the chart master with a bold call on hotel stocks.
1:34I am Frank Holland in for Melissa Lee. Coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ on the desk tonight, we got a classic frank and fast money adventure. Tim Seymour, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami and Marta Norton, chief investment strategist at Empower. We begin with the benchmark 10-year treasury closing at its highest level, dating back to January of last year, 2025. That yield now right around 4.75 percent. The move higher coinciding with strikes between the U.S. and Iran for the first time in a month. Rising yields weighing on the stock market. The Dow, the S &P and the Nasdaq all closing lower today.
2:08The weakness coming as the U.S. is hosting G20 finance leaders. That meeting kicking off today. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson and Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh arriving in Asheville, North Carolina yesterday. And right there is where we find CNBC's Megan Casella with the developing story. Megan. Frank, hello from the Blue Ridge Mountains, where it has been a busy first day of programming at the G20 finance minister's meeting. Now, we've gotten a lot of news on a number of different topics, I should say, on Iran since you mentioned that. Secretary Besant telling CNBC that the U.S. doesn't need China to get on board in order to economically pressure Iran to the negotiating table.
2:44He says that's something that he believes could happen when their economy collapses within weeks or months. He's also been talking a lot about the bond market. Besant telling CNBC that he wasn't necessarily trying to change the direction of bond yields with his announcement of increased buybacks on the long end, just maybe trying to slow the climb. He also said he and Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh are absolutely on the same page when it comes to bonds. And, Frank, we're also learning a lot and hearing a lot about trade and tariffs. We learned that Besant is set to sit down with his Canadian counterpart, the Canadian finance minister, that coming amid this tit-for-tat tariff war between the U.S.
3:17and Canada. Here's more of what Besant said about Canada. I think this is very unfortunate that Prime Minister Carney has turned this into a political shouting match. I mean, we're not at war with Canada. How are we going to be at war with Canada? What are they going to take their two submarines from the Edmonds and Mall and sick them on us? Now, Frank, I also had a chance to ask the Canadian finance minister, Champagne, what his message was for the U.S. on tariffs. And he said, you know, Canada is doing just fine, really sending a message there that they can keep these retaliatory tariffs in place for as long as they need to.
3:54One final point, we're also tracking a number of bilateral meetings that the secretary is holding on the sidelines of this summit. Canada being just one of at least 11 that he was expected to hold. We know China, South Korea, Argentina, all on that list as well. Tracking all of those to see what more news we might get through the end of the week. Frank. So, Megan, I know you're there talking to people right there on the ground. I was kind of curious about a comment that Scott Besson made. He said, I'm quoting part of it. He said, my job is to make sure the market's looking at fundamentals and the market does not dictate policy.
4:21Almost the inverse of what we heard from Kevin Warsh last week. Are these two guys on the same page? Yeah, it's an interesting question. There has been so much chatter about this. And I think from being here, you know, these two men are really trying to at least outwardly put on a really unified front on that point. That's why we saw the two of them fly together on that plane, landing together here yesterday afternoon in Asheville. Also, three times this morning, the press was allowed into these plenary sessions. The two men were sitting side by side, both of them making comments alongside each other, you know, really playing up this sort of chummy nature of the relationship.
4:54Besant was also asked directly by our Sarah Eisen on CNBC about this. And he said, of course, we're on the same page on the bond market. That doesn't negate the fact that it seems like they're pulling on opposite directions in the market right now. And of course, there's been so much discussion about whether Besant is going far enough to let the bond market speak, as Stanley Druckenmiller put it last week. But at least outwardly, they're trying to emphasize that they are together on a lot of this. Rising bond yields globally. A lot to talk about there. Megan Casella live from Asheville, North Carolina.
5:21Megan, great to see you as always. Thank you very much. Guy, I want to turn over to you. Welcome back, Frank. Yeah, the market is looking at fundamentals. The fundamentals are$40 trillion in debt, more issuance now because of AI, a global debt problem, and global bond yields rising, as you just said. So there's a reason why tenure yields are pushing 4.76%. And I think they continue to go higher. So they can look at fundamentals and talk about it, say they're on the same page. They might be on the same page or on different paragraphs, though. Marta? I mean, a lot of people are looking at the yield curve and associating it with inflation.
5:55But I do think the argument is that it's more structural than that. And I think they're both recognizing that, but maybe they have different playbooks on how to handle it. Tim, are you seeing it that way, just different playbooks but recognizing the same thing? I guess, you know, I think about it as, first of all, global bond yields are going higher. So Besson was quick to point out that it's not, you know, they're buying our bonds over other ones. I'm not sure that that's true, but you can make an argument. Some of this is out of the hands of the U.S. government in terms of fiscal policy. Some of this is just years and years of central banks around the world and monetary policy that's run amok.
6:28So from the monetary side, but also on the fiscal side, you've got governments in place in Germany. You've got governments in place in Japan that are very fiscally oriented, meaning let's spend as much as we can because we think it's in the best interest of our sovereignty. So at a time when the labor market's really kind of a friend to the Fed, in other words, and Guy talks about this all the time, I mean, it might be actually a problem at some point when that growth mandate, that dual mandate that at least has the labor markets as a major component of the growth side is a lot weaker than you want it to be.
7:00But it's not, it does not include the inflationary impulse that at least in the last couple of years, it's been a big deal. So, you know, I listened to today. I don't think there was anything new. The only things that I heard that I think are indicative of where policy is are more from Warsh, where he pointed out that he sees an investment surge. I mean, that to me sounds like a guy who's talking about the dynamics, both in terms of the spend that's maybe inflationary on a global build out, but also just the elements of where I think that's leading to global growth. I think they recognize that.
7:31All right. So Tim mentioned, I just want to talk to you really quick about the market. Jobs report coming up later this week. We also got the Beige Book. Also have ISM tomorrow. Any of that have the potential in your mind? I want to front run Michael Cantopoulos because he's coming up to talk about the same thing. You see any of that raising bond yields on this, which should be kind of a quiet holiday week? Well, on the labor market, I mean, we've seen a lot of volatility in that number over the last few months or so. So I think that what Fed Chair Walsh said last week, I think it was pretty clear.
7:56They don't seem particularly worried about what's going on in the labor market right now. Now they're worried about that inflation picture. And when I think about financial conditions, and we're talking a lot about inflation and some of the other things that are kind of weighing on the Fed to kind of get moving at some point, I don't think it's going to happen until after the midterms one way or another. But financial conditions are pretty good. If you think about where the S &P 500 is and how it's trading at 7 ,700 here, the last time we were at 475 in the 10-year, the S &P was 6 ,000. And the year before that, when it was about 475, the S &P was about 5 ,000.
8:27So equity investors don't seem to be pretty worried about what's going on right now. And I know that's the market. It's very different than the economy. But right now, it does feel like if they can wait a few months as far as raising interest rates, we might be in a different situation, you know, towards the end of the year. And maybe the Fed doesn't act at all. Wait, are you saying that they're mindful of the midterms or are you just saying that? Well, I don't think I just I've seen what the CME. A lot of talk about them not raising for the midterms. That's what I mean. I don't think they're going to do that.
8:52And we've seen the FedWatch tool, the CME FedWatch tool move, you know, was that 50-50 for a raise in the September meeting in a couple weeks. But we got the job report. We got CPI. We got PPI. We got some other readings here. I just don't think. I think it would just look very political at this point. So I'd be surprised if they do anything. Would you be surprised, Guy? Yes. I think they should. I mean, unless something drastic happens, they could basically stay status quo until spring of next year. I mean, the labor market, I think, is deteriorating. Inflation is a problem. You pick which one you want to go to.
9:20Right now, I think staying the course is the best course. And if you get a lousy jobs number this week. What is the course, though? Do nothing. Just continue to speak. Use your rhetoric. Say we're focused on inflation, but dual mandate, data dependent, all those things. And don't do anything. But I thought the path was that we're going to get one hike this year. Wasn't that the course we were on? That's not happening. I don't think it's happening. But but I'm not I'm not in your grill here, Guy. But don't you think there is inflation? So why why stay the course? I mean, why not why not raise? Why not be out there, be ahead of the market, which I mean, if you think about his first meeting, Part of the reason in the move higher in yields, I think, was that people felt that the Fed wasn't really doing what they had to do.
9:57If that was a one-off in the labor market, that last one we got, that's fine. But if it continues in this trajectory, which I think it will, then it's hard to raise in the teeth of that. So that's why I think at this point just staying in the course is the best course. But also, you know, go back a year and a half or two. You know, when they were cutting, they were cutting into a strong economy. And now you'd be raising into what might be a weakening economy, especially when you look at that Q2 GDP print. So I'm with Guy. I just think that sit on your hands right now, especially given the fact that it's going to be like a political hot potato right now.
10:27So let's just see how these PPI readings, how these CPIs, how the PC, how they all come in, because Worsh just told us. So he's told us 10 times over the last few months. He wants to let the market tell them what to do and how to do. So then why worry about the political hot potato? I mean, I hear what you're right. It is. But but we want to believe in a Fed that actually is not worried about politics. And I mean, this is the worst that I think we're getting that's different than the worst that was nominated, because I think people actually felt or like I feel great about Kevin Warsh in that year.
10:58I think he's a guy that's not worried about, you know, a hot potato of politics. So, Marta, I want to get you to weigh in. I mean, how do you see this playing out? Do you see a Fed that's waiting and seeing or has the potential to actually hike this year? You know, I was I'm in the no hike camp, but then I listened to the Jackson Hole address and I felt like that was a bit of forward guidance. I felt like he was really aggressive when he was laying out the case for where the economy was, how strong it was, and the concerns that he has around inflation. So, I mean, I think the market reacted as I would have reacted with two years rallying so hard.
11:30I don't know. I think the market's going to be disappointed if you don't get that hike in September. Yeah, I think on Friday, some of us were here. I think everybody kind of took it as being a bit hawkish. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. All right. With that, let's bring in Mike Cantopoulos, head of multi-asset macro investing at Janice Henderson Investors. investors. Mike, speak about the hot potato. We're bringing you in hot right now. So where are you at? Should the Fed wait and see? Should they hike this year? I mean, we have the flare-up today that's re-raising oil prices. Inflation's been persistent.
11:56Talk to us. Yeah, so let's start with what the Fed should do and maybe not what they're going to do. I mean, the Fed should be much, much more restrictive. I know that's not a popular opinion today on set, but I think there's no denying that monetary conditions are incredibly easy. Money supply is starting to accelerate. The velocity of money supply is starting to accelerate. You have record low unemployment. Now, we could argue why you have record low unemployment. We could argue how immigration policies and demographics are playing into that. But the fact of the matter is you have record low unemployment.
12:32You have earnings growth. And certainly, to Dan's point, earnings and the economy are two different things. But earnings growth is in the mid 20 percent on a year-over-year basis. Inflation's not at the 2 % target. And more importantly, credit spreads are at all-time lows. And remember, I've said this a million times, the transmission mechanism of monetary policy is through credit channels, and credit markets are incredibly easy. So I don't see how the Fed shouldn't hike. Now, whether they do or not is a different question, I think. All fair, Michael. So let me ask you this. U.S.-Japan intervention in the end didn't work.
13:07I think they intervened at 163. It traded 157. It's 160 now. So that doesn't seem to be having any impact. And obviously, this Operation Twist, whatever you want to call it, has Treasury sort of boxed in the Fed here? Because to raise rates, given that backdrop, would just be counterproductive to what they're trying to do. I just don't think anything that Besant has been able to do, whether that's Operation Twist and the buybacks or intervention with the yen, is really big enough or meaningful enough to be able to truly move the markets. And the bond vigilantes are going to do what the bond vigilantes are going to do.
13:45And ultimately, the one with the biggest hammer, which maybe isn't a sledgehammer, but it's still a hammer, is the Fed. And we've seen this time and time again where, you know, governments will try to intervene and it works for a day or two and then it sort of doesn't. And you have to be in the markets almost daily. You have to really be manipulating markets to a huge degree to have a tremendous amount of influence on the currency or where rates are going. I just don't think Besson has the tools to be able to do that. So, no, I don't think the Fed's in a box at all. I think the Fed has freedom to basically do what they need to do if that time should come.
14:19And the stuff that, you know, the Treasury secretary is doing in the meantime is kind of a sideshow. Yeah. So let's speak about the sideshow. I mean, we've got a Treasury secretary that's talking about disinflationary trends of AI, which sounds a little bit more like this sounds more like politics. And I would just get back to because I am in agreement that I think not only could they go, I think they should go. And let's go straight there, because it doesn't have to be a rate hiking cycle. It can be an adjustment. And in fact, what do you think that would do to credit spreads? Do you think that would be disastrous?
14:56Do you think they could actually tighten on the sense that maybe the world now has a little bit more clarity and things are under control? Yeah, there's a couple of good points there, Tim. I don't think you will certainly not a disaster for credit spreads. I mean, if you hike 25 basis points and that's it, credit's going to behave pretty well. I'm not sure you get much of a move because the market's already essentially giving you that. Right. So credit spreads have already reacted and then there hasn't really been much of anything. I think that second point is really important. You know, when you're the Fed, you want to take what the market is giving you.
15:28The market's giving you a hike. You might as well do a hike. They don't like to surprise markets. Right. And so I think they will go in September. The real question, and you alluded to this, is does it need to be a hiking cycle? They certainly need to do one, I think, in order to have credibility. I do think Chair Warsh will abstain. That's been his sort of MO recently, which, you know, we could argue if that's the right thing or not to do as the chair of the Federal Reserve. But, you know, I do think that enough members of the board want to tighten here. Remember, it's just reversing, you know, a cut from last year.
16:02This is not the end of the world. I think the bigger question is what happens next, however. And no, spreads won't widen from one hike. All right. A lot to consider. Michael Katopoulos, great to have you here as always. Thank you very much. Thank you. Marta, I want to turn it over to you. I don't know. It seems like there's some consternation around the table. Oh, boy. I hate consternation. We're all friends here. I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I guess I don't see as strong a case for a hike, I guess, as others do. But I do think that I don't think it's politically oriented, but I do think Warsh is making the case for a hike.
16:38The one out that he gave it, he has two outs. One of them is his diatribe about AI at the beginning of the Jackson Hole speech. And he talks about how that changes monetary policy potentially. And so maybe he's suggesting that there is room to take a different tact than what the data would suggest. And then there's the other consideration of just how the data plays out between now and then. A lot to consider. A lot to consider. All right. Shifting gears a bit. Energy by far. The best performing sector today surging two percent to hit record highs. That move coming after the U.S. and Iran exchange fire for the first time since July over the weekend.
17:11WTI accrued, settling up nearly 3 percent and closing in on 86 bucks a barrel. Tim. Well, correlation between oil prices and yields. So that's just with us no matter what. Term structure of the oil futures market tells us higher for longer. The reality is that the rest of the world is trying to secure their energy security for the future. And you're seeing all kinds of interesting things like SLB going out and buying a German essentially water cooling company. They bought some of it from Apollo. They picked up some. The point is, you've got energy players involved in this global data build out as well.
17:47They're part of the whole story. So if you're investing in the sector, I just think you're investing in a sector differently. You know, oil prices are going to go up and down and the straits at some point will get cleared out. But for a longer period than that, we're going to be in a position where owning energy and owning energy infrastructure is a great trade, especially MLPs, which I think are run differently and are yield instruments that actually are also priced for some growth. Dan? Yeah, you know, oil in general, just the way it's been trading with all these flare ups and obviously, you know, they've been kind of of lesser consequence going back, you know, to six months.
18:20I just think probably crude oil is probably a sale on rallies, if you think about it. And, you know, we're just kind of getting these reactions that you might have thought, you know, maybe three months ago, we'd about five, six percent or something like that. But it just looks like there's this tit for tat that's going on. It's like specifically dialed down. And I think Tim's point is that sooner or later, yes, the Strait will be open. It's interesting if you go to The Wall Street Journal and the picture that they had, you know, of the Strait of Hormuz and all the ships in it. And who knows when that was?
18:46It could have been, you know, nine months ago or whatever. But they're there. They're waiting to go. And, you know, it just seems like that everybody in the world, including China, has a lot of incentive to kind of get that oil flowing through there, especially given how much they get, you know, from Iran. And then you think about President Xi's coming here next month, that sort of thing. So it just seems like maybe from, you know, the standpoint of just from a political standpoint, geopolitical standpoint, things are probably getting ready to cool down, especially as we get to the other side of the midterms.
19:13OAH is breaking out of a downtrend we've been in for a while. We've talked about that. Tim Mensen, Schlumberger, or SLB Corp, they call it now. I think the XLE closed at an all-time high or right around it, and that speaks volumes. You don't have to have a crude view, in my opinion, to be bullish of energy stocks. And these refiners, Marathon, Valero, PSX, they continue to make all-time highs seemingly on a daily basis. And we've been steadfast here. Stay long, energy stocks. All right. Again, energy sector very close to all-time highs. Coming up, Apple's next act, what to expect when Tim Cook officially passes the baton to new CEO John Ternus tomorrow and yet another executive departure making a few waves today.
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21:40And welcome back to Fast Money. The clock is ticking on Tim Cook's final day as the CEO of Apple. Tomorrow, John Turnus takes the helm of the iPhone giant. Today, Bloomberg also reporting that Phil Schiller, the longtime head of the App Store, is stepping down as well. Our Mackenzie Cigallos is here to break down all the changes coming to Cupertino. Mac. So, Frank, what I'm hearing from sources internally is that even though all these executive departures seem to be happening at once. This has actually been highly choreographed and years in the making. Employees were notified about Phil Schiller's transition back in mid-August and sources telling me that it was part of a long-planned handoff.
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22:15The App Store goes back to Eddie Q, who ran it before Schiller took over 11 years ago, while oversight of Apple events again moves under communications and PR. Now, this appears to be Apple using the CEO transition as a chance to reset the leadership team in one fell swoop. You can make a lot of changes around a new CEO without investors necessarily reading every departure is a sign that something is wrong inside the business. Now, at the same time, Apple isn't exactly pushing the old guard out the door. Schiller becomes an Apple fellow. Cook stays on as executive chairman. And of course, we've seen other longtime executives like the CFO and COO move into these transitional roles rather than leave outright.
22:55So Ternus takes Takes over tomorrow, yes, with a fresh leadership bench in place, but with plenty of institutional knowledge and some pretty substantial training wheels still in the building. Frank? Mack, thank you very much. I'm Mackenzie Sigalis with the very latest on Apple. Again, Giannis Ternis takes over tomorrow. Guy, what do you make all these kind of moves? We're seeing people kind of shift into different spots, leaving the company, et cetera. What is this, the biggest, I guess, CEO, that size of company since, what, Amazon, I guess, or something like that? I mean, so I guess it is significant.
23:24But as McKenzie just said, I mean, a lot of these things are well telegraphed. So I don't put a big deal into it. I think Apple can survive in a regime change. The problem I have and will continue to have is that at current levels, it's trading like 32 times next year's numbers, which is expensive. People say they got to get AI right. I don't think they do. But the market's going to start to, I think, be concerned that they're not there yet. You know, when you go back and look at Tim Cook, when he took over the company, you know, He was really at just the precipice of you, if you will, of just everything was in front of him.
23:54You know, when you think about it and you think about where the revenue was, you think about how they were expanding globally and you think about what their installed base was. And but really the biggest trick that Tim Cook pulled was financial engineering. I mean, they have given back a trillion dollars through buybacks and dividends since he took over. Steve Jobs was not in favor of buybacks. But when you think about just the innovation over the last 15 years on a product front, they have not been leading the way, the way that, you know, a lot of folks would think based on the stock and its performance.
24:22And then that brings me to where the new CEO takes over right now. I mean, this is kind of a really important spot. You could make that argument going back, you know, 30 some years when, you know, Tim or excuse me, when Steve Jobs came back to the company. I mean, they are not leading an AI. And if you believe that AI is the future of technology, or at least the way a lot of folks, whether it be consumers or enterprises, interact with technology, they're not really there. And so they have to put some stuff up over the next couple of years or so. And that is the challenge right now. And we're going to get a good look at that next week.
24:56But I don't think that's going to be on the CEO. I mean, I think that's the roadmap that's been put in place over the last few years. but he's going to have the opportunity to take this company in a direction that I think a lot of investors have probably been waiting for from an innovation standpoint. You know, to your point, Turnus, and as a hardware guy, I was actually talking to Dan Ives from Yorkville and Ives, about to say his old firm, and he said this is a clearing of the deck that allows Turnus to bring in some AI native executives, people from a new way of thinking, maybe just some fresh blood just to kind of enliven the company.
25:23Is that the way you see it, or is it concerning to see this kind of shuffle at the top deck? Yeah, I think that it's the right guy for the right time. I mean, I say that early, but it is important to get hardware right, to get product right. And that does seem to be the big question weighing on Apple these days and then what that looks like in an AI world. So I do think it's the right transition at the right time that potentially gives this company the restart that maybe it needs for the new era. Tim? I think it's hardware as a service. We've known that. They've been rewarded for, you know, remember, software as a service was destroyed.
25:54Hardware as a service was actually resilient. I don't know what it's going to ultimately lead, but I'm sure Apple is going to be in a position to serve up AI on their platform at their terms. And, Guy, you can walk into that app store and actually for the first time and maybe find the products you need. The point being that Apple is sharing in the AI revolution. They're doing it their way, much in the way the services revenue has become a Fortune 500 company on its own. I just, you know, I know these headlines are nice, but the reality is I think of Apple much like I think about the Pentagon or U.S.
26:28government. I don't think we really do know what's going on. If we do know, I don't want to know. I'm sure Apple's been planning for this day. Apple's not trying to be an AI juggernaut. They're not trying to make acquisitions. And I like it. And I like it even because I think they're going to be able to navigate China unless there's a major change. And I think that's the part that's underappreciated. All right. Again, the Ternus era begins tomorrow. All right. Coming up, Bitcoin's big month. the token soaring in August and taking CryptoLink stocks right along for the ride. Where do we go from here?
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29:00And welcome back to Fast Money. Strategy co-founder and executive chairman Michael Saylor tweeting this morning that the company bought$370 million in bitcoins after a 10-week pause. Strategy shares climbing over 42 % this past month. But even with that big rebound, MSTR is still down over 12 % so far this year. Bitcoin, by the way, up over 25 % in the last 30 days. Dan? Yeah, you know, when you pull up that chart and you look at that move, you know, we were banging around holding that 60 ,000 level. A lot of folks thought that it was going to be something that maybe we're on our way back to 40 ,000.
29:32We've seen these sorts of moves in Bitcoin a lot over the last 10 years or so. But when you see this sort of move, you know, what was it, 65 ,000 right up to 80 ,000? Now it's consolidating there. I guess, like, what I would ask is if this was a stock and we've seen a lot of stocks kind of hockey stick like this after earnings over the last, you know, month or two. I'd say, what are the fundamentals? Like, what's going on there? And, you know, we've been hearing about wallet growth and all this sort of stuff. I just, you know, I don't buy it. I mean, I see the stablecoin demand and why folks kind of think that is, you know, kind of the next stage with tokenization and that sort of thing.
30:03But to me, this is just really a trading vehicle. you can look at what MicroStrategy has done, and we all get their strategy. So hopefully they bought a ton of that stuff when it was down below$70 ,000. I think it makes its life a lot easier because I think there's instances where they end up having to sell Bitcoin in which to kind of finance some of that debt that finances the purchase of Bitcoin. So to me, it just doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense. But I get why folks are going to believe in it. They're diamond hands. They're going to stick with this guy. Michael Seller tweeted, they now have 845 ,000 Bitcoin, zero leverage on the balance sheet.
30:34I'll take him at his word. But in order to be bullish, I think of Bitcoin here. You had the administration news. You had the thing with Besson a week and a half, two weeks ago. That was a tailwind. The headwind now comes in the form of a Fed that apparently is going to hike in September. A lot of people think that. I am not one of them. But a hawkish Fed is not bullish for Bitcoin. So I think buyer beware at 80 ,000. All right. Tim, you got a quick word? Well, I think the dollar is going lower at some point. And therefore, that is certainly an ingredient for a Bitcoin rally. It's not the only ingredient, but all those reasons that we're concerned about with deficits and the reasons why people are buying gold, some piece of that is a Bitcoin rally.
31:12All right. Looking at Bitcoin right now, trading at about, what,$78 ,600 and a little bit of change. Coming up, biotech executives making their way to the White House today as the president reveals new drug pricing affordability measures. All the details and the companies at play when Fast Money returns.
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31:42And welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks broadly lower in August. Final trading day. The Dow shedding 370 points. The S &P down a third of one percent. The Nasdaq also fractionally lower, while the Nasdaq 100 managed just to eke out a game. CrowdStrike surging almost 6 % to hit all-time highs. The company announcing a series of partnerships, broadening the reach of its Falcon cybersecurity platform, deal rising 4 % after Baird upgraded the stock to an outperform. Analysts expecting better corn and soybean fundamentals to help drive a recovery in ag equipment. The firm's$800 price target implies a 22 % upside from today's close.
32:18Meanwhile, Amazon falling 2.5%. The FTC suing the company, alleging it misled advertisers about its pricing and auction systems. Finally, Eli Lilly down a percent and a half. The company announcing plans to buy privately held immunology drugmaker Merida Biosciences and a$2.9 billion cash deal. Sticking with health care, President Trump announcing that he reached deals with nine drug makers to voluntarily sell their medications for less. These are midsize companies, including Estella's Pharma, Teva Pharmaceutical, Bridge Bio and B1 Medicines. It's the latest string of deals under Trump's most favored nation policy, which pushes drug makers and links drug maker prices in the U.S.
32:58to the cheaper prices that are being paid abroad. Joining us now for much more is Mizzouho's Jared Holes. He's the firm's health care sector specialist. Jared, thanks for joining us. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. So first off, what does this mean for drug pricing? Is this this a plan by the president, the most favored nation strategy? Is this actually working to reduce prices? I think so. We've seen the first efforts were last year with large cap pharma participating. A dozen and a half companies signed a deal. This is the first time where this is sort of the second tier in terms of market cap are participating.
33:27It's going to drive down pricing of Medicaid drugs. I'm not really sure it does much else to solve the pricing issue that everyone talks about. Medicare is going to be exempt. This might get the companies out of pricing pressure going forward with respect to other markets. But in the Medicaid-specific market, it should help. OK. What does this mean for stocks that obviously sell and make drugs that are sold into the Medicare market and for investors of those stocks? The idea here is that the prices are lower. I would think that means that revenues are lower and profits are lower as well. Well, I think from a fundamental standpoint, there probably there probably will be some pricing degradation over the very near term.
34:04But when you look at the companies that you mentioned earlier, Bridge Bio, B1, these are companies that don't have that much Medicaid exposure. So you could argue that the headline risk is there, but it's now we're sort of past it. We can all move forward knowing that the pricing situation for these companies in particular won't be as bad over the medium to long term. So I think when you look at it from a stock perspective, it's obviously been very, very helpful for large cap pharma. I would think it would be positive for these guys, too. It could potentially be positive for these names as well.
34:33I want to look at both sides of the coin of the president's policies. near shoring. If you look anywhere, you can see billions of dollars being spent by large drug makers to bring their facilities back to the U.S. And at the same time, potentially, they could face some pricing pressure. If you're an investor of these names, do you see short-term turbulence? Do you see long-term gain? Kind of lay out the playbook. Well, I think the most profound or unique situation for the manufacturing being brought back to the U.S. is in the life sciences names with respect to capital equipment, companies that manufacture and or deliver these drugs to patients.
35:07That, to me, is the biggest beneficiary. When you look at how it's impacting large cap pharma companies in particular, I think a lot of it is just to form some sort of agreement with the government and allowing them to sort of ink these pricing deals and move forward. I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to pivot and say, Eli Lilly, back again, playing with the big stack, making acquisitions. I think somebody just put a$100 price target on Structure, GPCR. I've got to believe Vikings in the mix. A lot of companies out there in sort of that price point that make a lot of sense in the back end of the year.
35:41Yeah, I think Lilly's done, I don't want to say like 10 deals this year already. Now, none of them, you could argue none of them have been so material. This is a$3 billion transaction they did today, private company. Market cap is north of a trillion. So you could see Dave Ricks do another couple of these before the year is out. They haven't done anything that I think the street is like super excited about, but they're on the offensive. They could do a deal of these a week. Structure Viking are in the mix. The thing with Lilly, no one is really talking about any competitive threat other than Novo Nordisk out there.
36:12There's a bunch of these that are becoming more viable as time goes on. We'll see if any of them are ready for prime time. Jared, second quarter earnings overall were characterized by incredible dispersion between individual stocks. I think health care had a lot of that, too. So if I'm looking at the XLV versus real outlier moves, are there any places that, you know, this is a case where are there any things that have seen that kind of skew that look particularly interesting, just even relative to peers, relative to the space you're covering? And what or what are what are people talking about?
36:44Well, I think the one area of health care that really hasn't done exceptionally well for the for the better part of the year. And you could really throw earnings on top of that would be medical devices. The Tronic reports tomorrow that stock is trading 14, 15 times earnings, growing mid-single digits. So names like that, Boston Scientific's got cut in half this year. Intuitive is closer to the lows than the highs. I think a lot of people are worried about capital equipment spending and competition. But that medical device subsector has been by far the worst this year. I think we're probably to the point where sentiment is pretty washed out.
37:17I would look at those names not saying you need to buy them tomorrow. No, that's exactly what I was asking. What is underperformed? Because a lot of that, a lot of the sector gets pulled up with the XLV yet hasn't really performed. Yeah. Pharma's trading at highs. You've got diagnostics and tools trading at highs. Biotech's been a rocket ship pretty much all year. This med device sector is really the only one that hasn't participated. Wow. A lot of action going on in the health care sector. A lot of action. Any reason why we're seeing so much acceleration in the second half of the year? Just in terms of price action or?
37:47Price action, yeah. I think a lot of it was just based on tech momentum slowing down in July and August. I mean, coming into June, I think health care was underperforming the market by 17, 18 percent. It caught up and then some as of a couple of weeks ago. Now it's a laggard by two to three percent again. But I think a lot of that is just you've got so much money tied up in so few stocks. Whenever there is a little bit of a pause in the action there and some market breadth, health care is going to get some love, defensive bid. I think we've seen it happen. And my worry is that it already happened in the August time frame.
38:19And that we're sitting here for the next few months and it kind of just treads water. Yeah, kind of a tale of two halves. Jared Holtz, great to see you. Thank you very much. Thanks. Marta, I want to swing it over to you. Your take. Well, I mean, that defensive bid is a pretty appealing part of health care. In my mind, when I think about the U.S. economy, one thing that always comes back to me is just how dependent and how integrated it is to AI. So you have something like health care that can be a beneficiary of AI, but not necessarily something that depends upon AI. And I guess I think it earns a place in people's portfolios.
38:48And we talk a lot about short-term performance, but longer-term, health care has gone nowhere. All right. A lot to look at. Jared's saying maybe all the gains have already happened. We'll have to wait and see. All right. Coming up here on Fast Money, Alphabet searching for its footing. The stock now on its longest monthly losing streak in 11 years, while the search giant just can't seem to get out of its own way. Fast Money back right after this break.
39:16Welcome back to Fast Money. Check out shares of Alphabet. Worst day in three weeks, notching its longest monthly losing streak since 2015. A couple of bearish notes potentially weighing on the stock today. Morgan Stanley asking if investors need to brace for more regulation for children online, while Bernstein says Meta's digital ad business, it may. It may have already surpassed Google search. Dan. Yeah, it's interesting. Axios just reporting right now. OpenAI just hit a billion dollars in ad revenue. This is something obviously it's very new for them, but they're looking to find every which way they can to add revenue as they approach an IPO probably early next year.
39:50They're targeting about two and a half billion dollars. Now, you can say that's a rounding error, right? And it is for the most part. But this is the sort of competitor with this installed base that they have right now. It's going to be an ad supported product. You're not going to have a lot of folks paying 20 bucks a year for this on the consumer front. And then obviously this is all about enterprise. But if you can build a solid consumer ad business, then it puts you in the game with Meta and with Alphabet. And I think that could be something that starts to weigh on Alphabet just a little bit as we get closer to the IPO of OpenAI, because they're going to be talking a lot about this.
40:23Marta? Yeah, it does seem like it's a business under siege at the moment. And I think that that question of kind of where does the digital ad dollar go is a good one. But I think one thing I've observed just with this whole AI hyperscaler question is it's a rotating leader leaderboard. And I don't think you want to, I don't know, call the marathon at mile five. I think you know that this is a long term play and we have to give it time. And we've seen these this change before. And so I wouldn't count them out at this point. Tim. Yeah, the regulatory stuff is proven to actually have some teeth. And we see where Meta has suffered.
40:57But that ad business, I think it was 26 percent growth. I mean, it's extraordinary. And their core business is very much intact. And Gemini is, as far as I'm concerned, holding serve against the other three. So I look at the chart. I say somewhere around 320. That's probably where I think you have really good support. I think I look at the valuation and relative to some of the peers, it's now trading at a decent level. I would agree with Marta. I don't you know, I don't know that anything's really changed for Google here. I do think the regs are complicated, but I think YouTube is the most underappreciated media asset out there.
41:34Tim Briggs up 320. That was a low I think we saw in July, if I'm not mistaken. You go back to January, that was sort of ish, the prior all-time high. So past resistance becomes support. That's the level. But, you know, you're getting a premier franchise at less than a market multiple, even with the CapEx spends that's taking earnings down. I think you got it by Google here. All right. Do you think there's anything to the idea that they announced an$80 billion share sale right around the time the stock slid? Do you think there's any connection there? We're talking a lot about regulation, but also they just dumped a lot of stock on the market.
42:03The time we talked about it, I know when I was on the show, and I think Dan and Tim were as well, I dismissed it because$80 billion is really sort of a rounding error. With that said, you're right to point it out because that sort of marked the short-term top. So I guess in retrospect, it was a bigger deal. I think it's a great point. Let's give credit where it's due. No, but I mean, that also defined a difference in how we're valuing this company in terms of free cash flow and also equity dilution. You now know is on the table, and that's by far the biggest deal of all of them. But they're also raising a lot of debt.
42:34Don't hold back on the props. I think the debt issuance was also a big issue, and it was also going through the entire MAG-7. We do have to go. All right, coming up. Great job, Frank. Checking out hotel stocks. The chart master joins us next on the Troubling Technicals. He sees in the group. more props for me and more Fast Money coming up in two.
42:56Welcome back to Fast Money. Hotel stocks, they've been underperforming as of late. The group's seen some gains since the start of the year. But according to a new note from the chart master, he does not like this area of consumer discretionary. Carter Braxton Worth, what do the charts say? Well, they're not saying great things. But before we look at them, what we know is, of course, over the past one, two months, the consumer discretionary sector is flat. S &P is up 3%, yet the individual major hotels are down 6%, 8%, 10%. Each chart is identical. The first is Marriott. This is the definition of a bullish to bearish reversal.
43:32It's breaking trend. And we'll go through quite quickly. Take a look at the next and you'll see the exact same circumstance. It's Hyatt. It too is breaking below its 150-day moving average. Again, down some 70%, look at Hilton and keep on rolling. We've got two more, but the point is, it's a very similar circumstance no matter how you slice it. The final chart will come up here as well. So what does a basket of these stocks look like? We've got an equal weight five-stock basket. And so it's 150A is flat as of now, but we can also put in an actual trend line, and final chart, we're breaking trend.
44:12Now, think about not included here is Carnival Cruise, terrible, and that cruise ships in general, Norwegian and so forth, not good. Underperforming their sector, the sector is underperforming the market, stay away. Carter Braxton Worth, thank you very much. Marta, I want to come to you with some quick thoughts on consumer discretion. I mean, consumer discretion, actually, if you're looking at the sector on a valuation basis, This actually doesn't look that expensive. So that's one of the appealing parts of it. Of course, you've got, you know, hyperscalers in there, big tech in there kind of throwing off the averages.
44:46I guess I look at consumer discretionary the way I look at lots of parts of the market. I don't necessarily think it's a screaming buy here or a screaming sell. I think it's, you know, kind of treading water, which I would expect for the remainder of the year. Tim? Travel leisure outside of airlines I don't need to own here. Expedia has gone through the roof, though. So, all right, coming up next, we got your final trade. Stay with Fast Money. We'll be right back.
45:20Welcome back to Fast Money. We are following some breaking news. The Wall Street Journal just reporting that U.S. Army Secretary Dan Driscoll has submitted his resignation. His departure comes as the war in Iran continues with no path towards peace or resolution. and a number of internal conflicts within the Pentagon over the ouster of several senior Army officials. Driscoll is expected to leave the Pentagon in coming days. All right, now we want to turn back to the trades and the final trades in this case. Let's go around the horn on this one. Marta, you can pick us up. OK, software selectively.
45:52Tim. I mean, Frank, such great work on that Google analysis that I asked on my final trade. I mean, but I do think the stock should be valued a bit differently. Having said that, again, I'm following Frank. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Marta, for being here. Dan. Yeah, Dell, after the close tomorrow, this one's going to be really easy. Interesting, actually. We've been hearing about memory prices and what they've been doing to margins. Dell, this is a company that's seen margins come down a few points over the last couple of years. I suspect it to be weighing on their margins this time. I wonder if the Mets are going to have enough players to fill the roster tonight.
46:24Why do we have to do that? Well, we'll see how it plays out. Nice. APA Corp, Frank. All right, we're going to leave it there. Thanks for watching Fast Money Mad Money with Jim Cramer. It starts right now.
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