David Sedaris

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29:49Well, you're a superb wearer of Comme des Garcons. They invite you to their shows in appreciation of your love of their fashion. And you're invited to interview Ray Kawakubo, but you decided not to. And I wondered, why did you decide to make that decision? She famously does not like to be interviewed. And then I thought, why would I put her through it? You know, if she doesn't like it, why would I? Plus, you know what? if I were to meet her, the only thing I'd say is, and it's so lame, where do you get your ideas from? Because how on earth does she get the ideas that she has? You know? I cannot, and she just surprises you again and again.

30:39I met someone recently who said, oh, she clearly hates men, you know? God. Because of the clothes she designs for them. I don't think that's true at all. They're such beautiful clothes and they seem the opposite, adornment in kind of appreciation and reverence of how beautiful a man can look when there are these clothes available. I don't know that I'm built for a lot of her stuff. I'm built like a Flintstones character, like Barney Rubble on the Flintstones. That's my build. like a thick trunk and I'm short. But I don't think it's a question of her clothes being, like no one's too old to wear her clothes.

31:34You know like when you say, oh, is this too young for me? And then people say, there's no such thing. There is, you know what I mean? There is such a thing as wearing something that's too young for you. You know, like if I were to wear a baseball cap sideways on my head, you know, and try to look like a little bug, you know, it would just be sad. But I think I can wear a come to your zone jacket that makes me look like a rabbi who lost a knife fight. And I don't think that's too, that's timeless. Yeah, yeah. Because you mentioned that your legs are your best feature. And I was watching one of your interviews on Seth Meyers in a Comme des Garcons shorts outfit.

32:24And you look really amazing. And do you find high fashion is a way of sort of being free from self-consciousness, like the antidote to shame? I guess I just feel like there are a lot of websites just kind of fashion websites that cover, let's say someone's going to go on a chat show and they'll comment on the person's clothing but it's a stylist, nine times out of ten who dressed that person it's like the Met Ball they completely invite the wrong people the people outside like they've invited me to come to Garfunkel shows before the people outside on the street who can't get in they should be at the Met Ball these are people who put these outfits together like wow just amazing stuff and they decided how to put it together it wasn't somebody else and they make their own rules and you look at them and you think yeah that's

33:40you want their rule book they're really original people I don't know those to me are the people who should be at the Met Ball not someone who's stylist sent them ten options someone came and did their hair they did everything themselves yeah it's so radical and it's so disarming, isn't it, when you see how much intention has gone into those, the composing of those looks and how great those young people or old people, whoever they are, they... I never keep my mouth shut, you know, like if I see someone on the street who I think looks remarkable, I never... Well, last night this girl came with her mom to get a book signed and I wanted to say to her, it would be impossible to be more beautiful than you.

34:44There are people who maybe are as beautiful in a different way but there's not any level above you. But I didn't want to, it's a young person and then you think, you know, I didn't want to embarrass her and then I didn't want to suggest she didn't have other qualities. So I wouldn't go up to a young man on the street and say, you look so sexy in those shorts. I don't mean like that. But when you see somebody who puts something together, I just can't keep my mouth shut. And I just always, I like it best when you go up to somebody and say, can you just hold still for a minute? because I'm trying to understand what you're wearing.

35:33But I mean that in a good way. Yeah. I find when people don't understand what you're wearing, they say, that looks comfortable. Oh, that's so awful. And I say, you know what? I don't dress for comfort. I'm a grown man. Yeah. I can be uncomfortable for great stretches of time. Are those shoes comfortable? No, not at all. I'm right with you. But I'm not taking them off. I'm going to put him on this sofa. I remember I worked for Vivian Westwood in the 80s, and I remember her said, there's nothing worse than comfort. And I thought, yeah, I totally agree. It's just the wrong direction to dress in. You go there, you don't have to be uncomfortable, but aiming for comfort, it's like the beginning of the end, isn't it?

36:26That's how you fly in the United States and it's people in pajamas. But it's like they're not flying to Australia. They're on an hour and 45-minute flight to Pittsburgh. You don't need to wear your pajamas. You've talked about not kissing in public and even at your marriage ceremony to your boyfriend, Hugh, you shook hands. And when Hugh was preparing for a hip-hop replacement operation, You wrote hilariously about the doctor's questions about bowel movements and finding those questions unbearable to hear. And I wondered, how do you feel about being naked? Huh. Well, probably 1997. I think my first book came out maybe in 1994.

37:22and then my publisher, I had a contract for one book and then immediately after my book came out they said oh let's make it two books and what's your second book going to be about and I said I don't know I said I'll go to a nudist colony and write about it because I never read anything about it and I kept putting it off, putting it off And then my editor found me a senior citizen's nudist trailer park in upstate New York. And so I went, and I spent 10 days there. And I lived in a trailer. And it was opposite land, right? So I hate being naked. If I could wear clothes in the tub, I would, right?

38:11Yeah. But here you had to be naked. So I'd be in my trailer, and I'd put my clothes on, right, in the privacy of my trailer. and someone would knock on the door and I'd say, just a minute, and I'd have to take all my clothes off. Because if you answered the door with clothing on, they'd be like, what's going on here? It would be the same way we would be if someone opened the door naked. And people invited me to their trailer for dinner and I went to their trailer naked, but carrying a towel to sit on because that's etiquette, right? When you sit on their sofa, you'd bring a little towel to sit on.

38:50Is that what they all do? If you didn't, they would be like, well, I don't know. Here it would be like, you know, if you showed up at someone's house for dinner and you didn't bring anything, well, oof, I don't know about that. But if you went to someone's house and you can't bring anything because there's no store or anything, you know, but you just bring your own towel to sit on. Maybe you'd be comfortable with one of our towels.

39:17but the longer I stayed there at first I was like oh that person is missing a nipple oh that person has a ring around their ass from sitting on the toilet oh that person has a tampon string hanging out of her and then as the time passed I stopped noticing somebody's physical body and then I would realize oh that's the person with the Tennessee accent or that's the grandmother who came with her grandkids or that's a person who... Another thing about it was that nobody had a car and because nobody had clothing, you didn't know where to put them on the social scale. Right? Fascinating. So everybody was equal in that way.

40:08It was interesting because a lot of people would bring it up. Well, back home, I've got three cars. You know, a four-story house. Everyone says you can make do with two, but I like the four because you've got to put your money somewhere. So there were certain people who would do that. But other than that, it was interesting to have everything taken away from you. Every way in which you would judge people was gone. But when I left Senior Citizens Nudist Trailer Park, I went back to where I was before. So I was 10 days at this Senior Citizens Nudist Trailer Park. and completely naked. Then I went back to my regular life in New York.

40:51Really, the day I arrived, I returned to my old self. I went to a party, a book launch in New York a few months ago. The idea, everyone was supposed to bring a swimsuit and we were going to go afterwards into a sauna and then into a cold plunge. I thought, there is no way I am going to let these people see the hair on my back. It's like a school thing almost. I'm definitely in the same... I don't like to be seen unless it's entirely on my terms. So I really know I can relate to what you're saying. Well, what's interesting for me is my dick is huge. Do you know what I mean? So when people do see me naked, they're like, oh, my God.

41:45But I keep it hidden. Now everyone knows. My dick's not really huge. I'll cut that bit out. Because you've written a lot about your obsessive compulsive behaviors. you've described it and some of which seems to generate the most amazing outcomes like collecting tons of litter and walking a lot and do you have any phobias and i wondered and how are they different huh do i have any phobias i don't think so i mean i i have respect for that word you know the same way as you know like someone will get a headache and then they say oh I have a migraine and that's an insult to people who truly have migraines yeah right so I mean a migraine is a cut above oh it's horrific so I think a phobia is a cut above so no I don't have any phobias dear Mr.

42:52President I want things to always be right between us I also know I've been distracted all week, forgetting to eat throughout the days and even forgetting to sleep. I never want to bring you anything but joy. I'm sorry I lost my focus. You are all that matters to me. I don't ever want to let you down. Thank you for being my guardian and protector in this life. I have learned so much about myself on this trip. For the first time in I don't know how long, you forced me to unplug. I didn't have to be human printer. Thank you for always being there for me. To modify a classic, I could not have parted with you to anyone less worthy.

43:34And I will add, it is I who is unworthy. With all my heart, Natalie. What is going on with Natalie Harp, President Trump's human printer, on Today Explained from Vox? Have you ever wondered who invented rock and roll or why Fleetwood Mac fell apart or what it was like at Motown in the early years, well, do I have a podcast for you? My name is Will Anderson. I'm a songwriter, a musician, and a huge music history buff. And I'm so excited to announce my new podcast, The Monday Music Club. I teamed up to make this podcast with the Vox Media Podcast Network because ever since I was a kid, I loved hearing and reading stories about classic artists, recording sessions, and music history.

44:17And I wanted to have a place to be able to take what I've learned and share some of those favorites with you. Every Monday, I'll be releasing a new episode and deep diving into a new story with experts and special guests, and it's going to be a blast. So if you're a music history geek like me, or even just a casual music fan, jump in, because I promise the Monday Music Club is going to be the podcast for you. So like any good millennial, I have a love-hate relationship with Gen Z. It's the phenomenon rattling millennials. They just look at you. They want something bigger themselves. Lifestyle is a priority.

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45:29It's not rocket science. And this is, you know, I keep saying like young voters aren't that complicated after all. It's pretty simple. Catch us every Saturday on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. because your sister Tiffany committed suicide in 2013 and your father also tormented her by holding back money that she could have used and needed and before he died he said David you've accomplished so many fantastic things in your life and I want to tell you you've won and what do you think you won at and that he couldn't dominate you no matter how he tried it's so funny how sometimes an outsider can can solve the mystery right like when i was young we had these fudge colored towels and somebody was wiping their ass on the towels and so you'd take a bath and you'd go to dry your hair and there would be shit on the towel right and then somebody i was signing books one night and a woman came up and she said you know it was your grandmother and i thought of course it was my grandmother because she was in a nursing home it would come home on sundays right and then because it didn't happen all the time so she would come home on sundays and wipe her eyes on the towels and then she thought well why waste money right and also So she was passive aggressive.

46:57So it made perfect sense. And when my father said you won, I thought he meant I won against him. And someone came up and said, no, what he meant was you won amongst the siblings. And that's exactly what he meant. Because he was always pitting us against each other. So that's what he meant, that I won the contest that he had devised. that was amongst my brother and sisters. God, that's so interesting.

47:33So depressing as well. It's like, God. But you know, I think it would only be depressing if I didn't write. Yeah. Like I wrote something. I was bitten by a dog a little over a year ago. I got a really good essay out of it. And then a few months ago, I was bitten by another dog, and I was like, fuck, I already wrote about it. There's nothing I can do with this second dog bite. But my father, as a character, kept on giving. And I wrote about him. And I wrote about him as a consequence. I mean, he cut me out of his will, right? Yeah. But I think I got something out of it. The same way is if someone's rude to me, it's like they handed me money.

48:29Yeah. Because I can turn around and write about it. And I'm like, thank you so much. And so my father wasn't a good person, but he was a good character. And I don't miss my father, but I miss having such a rich character to write about. And so to me, like if I had thought, well, dad's going to cut me out of his will and that's a lot of money I'll miss out on so I just won't say anything, right? And that was the case, you know, for some other people in my family. And, you know, that starts when you're a kid and then next thing you know you're 70. And you never said anything. Yeah. You know? So to me, I guess I'd have to say it was worth the money.

49:26Yeah. You know? Because otherwise I could see how that would have been a... It's only a problem if you agree for it to be a problem. Yeah. You know? And I never signed up for that. disfigurement program that he had you know so i got the world to laugh at him not with him but i got the world to laugh at him and uh so mission accomplished i mean it's like what you were when you were talking earlier about him and how his awful style of parenting or his just awful behavior because of your remarkable character he was almost the opposite but only because of you and your your inner resilience and your imaginative you're just force for life and uh it's you know it's so striking to read about and uh it's completely fascinating and um well I remember the first time Hugh met my father yeah um my father gave we went to Raleigh from my my older sister got married and we went for the wedding and then my father was driving me and Hugh to the airport and the whole time he was like you're not a writer you're not gonna make it you're you know you need to get a job with computers you can't do you know and Hugh was shocked he had never heard I mean, Hugh's dad was a novelist, but if Hugh, no matter what Hugh and his brothers had wanted to do, their father would have been supportive.

51:19Hugh had never heard a parent talk like that. And to me, it was just Tuesday. You know what I mean? Like it didn't, but again, it never occurred to me to quit. What, because he said so? You know, he only read one book in his life, and it was called Putt to Win. It was a golf book. So I'm going to take writing advice from somebody who read one golf book. One of the places you live is Sussex, and I went to school in East Sussex, and I used to walk across the Ashdown Forest to school, and you're a big walker, and I wonder what's the weirdest shoe you enjoyed walking in? huh well I got these hideous kind of new balance shoes right and I don't like wearing them but if you're going to walk like one day I walked 42 miles so you have to have like a cushioned wide you know hideous shoe to do that in.

52:33But I'm not, this ruins my outfits, you know, because, you know, I pick up rubbish while I walk and so I have, the council wants me to dress in high-vis and it's like, no, it just doesn't go with anything. And it, and it, it's made out of plastic really so it's so hot to wear. So, I like to dress like a hobo when I pick up litter and the shoes kind of ruin it all but recently I found a pair of shoes, I managed to lose a shoe but I never got rid of the first one it's a Marcel shoe and a brown brogue and I never threw it away and then we hired this housekeeper in New York and she found the shoe I don't know where she found the shoe and so I thought well I could walk 42 miles in these they're you know they're Marcel and they're leather and they're brown brogues and they look like a shoe that your granddad would have worn to work and you can walk in those a long way they don't kill you no and I know they don't have the padding that the ugly New Balance sneakers do.

54:03That's something I started doing the other day. Drawing trainers in people's books. Because I have all these colored markers. And so I meet them and then I just translate them into a trainer. That's so good. The color combination and the pattern on them. And it doesn't take any time at all. you know sometimes I had socks something sometimes just a trainer how will you do that for me before you leave oh sure your book here waiting because my my father was a painter and he used to start a painting at the point between the eyes and I wondered where do you start with an outfit huh well i'm not smart like there's this young man who i invite to open for me sometimes he's a student and he would like to be a writer and he writes every day and he's on the right path this kid yeah and and what and he shows up in these amazing outfits and he said to me one day He said, well, I know my writing isn't really where it needs to be, so I try to distract everybody by looking really good and by practicing what I'm going to read on my delivery, which is so smart.

55:29Yeah, that's brilliant. But one day we were in the dressing room, and I said, do you think this jacket? And he said, no, that's too much volume on top. And see, I guess if I look in the mirror, I'll think like, this jacket's not really working. But he was right about too much volume on top. But I don't know, like proportionally, I think I make a lot of mistakes. But you know how sometimes you try something on and you're like, no, this isn't it. And then you, you know, then your room, and I'm a pretty neat person, then you've got clothes everywhere, but you're like, yep, this is it. And lately I like wearing a pile of clothes.

56:16And I like to look like I'm in a cult. And sometimes it's a Christian cult. And sometimes it's a satanic cult. Not satanic. Like I don't wear goth rings and stuff like that. But a couple years ago I was invited to meet the Pope in Rome. and there's a place in Rome called Gamorelli that's been dressing the Vatican for 300 years. So I went there and I got a cassock, which is a floor-length robe that Catholic priests wear. Yeah. And there's 33 buttons a year for each, a button for each year of Christ's life. Oh, yeah. And you're supposed to undo them all and do them all. And the second time you put it on, you wish that he was crucified at 12.

57:04I mean, it's so many buttons to open and close. But what I started doing, I got this Comme des Garcons skirt that is nylon, and then it's got a layer of that kind of sports mesh over it. And it's black, and it goes to my ankles. So I button my cassock to the waist and then leave it unbuttoned, and then have this skirt underneath it. Wow. and it kind of sticks out a little bit when I walk. And what I like is people's faces like, is that what priests wear under their robes? Because they don't know, right? And I don't wear it. I've been not wearing the collar with it because that really kind of changes the garment.

57:55Yeah, completely. I mean, I just wear it, you know? I just, I'll wear it anywhere. You know, it could be kind of, I discovered it can be kind of hot on stage, so I don't wear it on stage so much as I do just to, you know, to UPS. Yeah. You know, to wherever I'm going. I thought about wearing it at the fitness center because I thought they'd be like, I never knew he was a priest. I love those flat hat with a shallow domed crown. I used to wear one of those when I was, I lived in Rome. I know that shop that you're talking about. And I used to spend time gazing in the window, fantasizing about what I might buy.

58:45Well, I was raised in the Greek Orthodox Church. And so they are the priest wears gowns and stuff. but I got to say it's just too busy and I never ever saw a Greek Orthodox priest and wanted anything he had on. But when I went to meet the Pope, I mean it was the Swiss Guard, their outfits, there were cardinals there, monks in robes, nuns like the Pope. Everyone was better dressed than the person. and it was all, none of it was too much, right? Yeah. And it was, and this cassock that I bought, it takes nine months. If you want to have one made, there are a minimum of three fittings. I mean, the way it drapes, the fabric, it is a high quality garment that's made to last a lifetime.

59:42And it's really, you know, I have I love a show called Kingdom and it's on Netflix and it's about zombies in Korea in the 15th century and no one can outdo the Koreans I mean nothing you see on the runway at Come to Garcon can touch Korean clothing in that period unbelievable unbelievable like pilgrim hats made out of mesh I don't know how they ironed and starched everything but the men's the dresses that the men wore just I watch it over and over again for the zombies but more than that for their clothing and again it was made so long ago and it's so avant garde it really is if somebody put that on the runway now our heads would explode.

1:00:49That's such a good tip. I can't wait to indulge. And you're so specific about your taste. And is anyone able to give you good presents? I wondered, does Hugh give good presents? And I find myself suffering from the hard person to gift syndrome. I think the best present is something you never knew that existed. You never saw it. And then when you saw it, you didn't know how you ever lived without it. And so, I mean, a lot of times I'll say to Hugh throughout the year, I'll say, I want this. You know, this is available right now. Hugh and I, every year Hugh says, I'm just getting you one present this Christmas, so don't go overboard for me.

1:01:46But he's lying. We go overboard. And with my sister Amy, too. She's in our club. And our sister Gretchen. Huge mountains of presents. But it... I think one of the best reputations you can have is to have a reputation as a good gift giver. Yeah. Which means you're observant, really. Yeah. And you're always looking. Like when I meet people who boastfully say, oh, I go do my shopping on Christmas Eve, I always think I would be so ashamed to admit that because all the good stuff's going to be gone. And why are you putting... I've bought so many Christmas presents already. Really? Because when you see them, you know, you've got to pounce, right?

1:02:39But I bought my sister Amy a present a couple weeks ago. I knew she would like it. It was this dress, a Prada. But I wasn't sure about her size. So I brought her there. It's really simple. And then I had her try it on, and she loved it. And so we got the size right, and I bought it for her. And I said, I'll give it to you at Christmas, as one of her Christmas presents. But then I thought, wait a minute, it's a summer dress. So I just gave it to her. Because that's not fair. And it's not fair either to then say at Christmas, I gave you that dress this summer. Either you just give it to someone as a gift just to have.

1:03:27Or it means a lot to me to get my sister's gift right. Because that takes a lot. because she's an actress, so people give her stuff all the time. Like if she does a TV show or a movie, people are giving her gifts all the time. Her apartment's cluttered, so you have to be really... Last time, last Christmas, I gave her a photograph. Gosh darn it. The photographer's name... Gary Winograd photograph. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's an amazing photographer. And it was called Topless Bridesmaid. And it was like from 1962. And it's this woman and her makeup is really severe. And it takes you a moment to realize that her, she has like a bridesmaid gown on, but the bodice is sheer.

1:04:28And it takes you a minute to realize you can see her breasts. and there's just something, the severity of her face and her makeup. And Amy had never seen the photograph before and was completely surprised by it. God, how wonderful. I knew when she opened it that I had completed the assignment. I saw something that she'd posted on Instagram, which was so amazing, a little film. of a bullfighter getting dressed and starting with these pink tights and then these trousers that were so tight and his dresser just kept pulling him off the floor and it was the most incredible thing I'd never I loved bullfighters any paintings or and she she'd posted that it was so it was just so fantastic and she obviously and she's a great dresser too and she also looks incredibly young like you.

1:05:32And I can imagine how your description of that, that must have been such fun. Aren't Bullfighters the best? I mean, their clothes, aren't they the best? You know what I love? I love a cape. I just love everything. It's so macho and so kind of... But feminine at the same time. Yes, exactly. That's what makes it so macho, this kind of thing that a film star actress would wear, but it's this man and he's so strong and agile. And those hats, when you see them, I used to have one. Really? The lamb's wool. Oh, yes. Or what do you call it? Astrakhan, is it? Is it a fetal lamb? Oh, God. I can't. Is it what?

1:06:22A fetal lamb. You know, like to take a lamb feed us? Yeah, a fleece. I don't know. It's bumpy. Yeah, the little tiny wool texture. It's a special thing. And all of the colors. It would be funny if you put those same clothes on a football player. That would be really good. I'd love to see that. Like an American football player because they wear tight pants too. But if you just change and put them in those little slippers and you took away their helmets and you gave them those hats, but they can be hard. They'd look fantastic. And if you fancy someone and don't like what they're wearing, does it kill your attraction?

1:07:13No, I think it was the comedian Amy Schumer who said you should never be able to remember what a man was wearing. And, you know, I hate to admit it, But if I were a straight woman, you know, I think that's probably pretty good advice. Yeah, I've never heard that. Because otherwise you're probably hooking up with a gay man, you know. Or you're bound to remember something that is like a warning signal. So, yeah. But I met someone last night and he and I, he's an actor and he's, we had been writing to each other for a number of years and then I finally met him last night. He came to my show. And it was such a nice surprise to see what he was wearing and to see how nicely dressed he was.

1:08:02Yeah. No, it is a... It's a real bonus when it's there, but it doesn't matter when it's not. Well, sometimes... I don't know. Sometimes, I was signing books the other night, and I said to this guy, are you wearing a swimsuit? And he said, no. And I said, think again. I said, look, there's no fly, and you have those strings hanging down. And it appears to be made out of nylon. And he said, oh yeah, I guess it is a swimsuit. And I thought, if I were going to a show that I bought a ticket to, I would think days in advance It's what I was going to wear. I just don't get it. I don't get, like, if you're going to a nice restaurant, I don't get not trying to lift the place with your attempt.

1:09:02To me, it's just fun. It's fun to look forward to it. It's fun to iron. It's fun to try on a bunch of things until you get it right. And even if, do you know what I mean? After a certain age, you become invisible. And I'm not trying to regain visibility. It's not about that. It's just, I don't know, is it a hobby? I don't know what it is. But it's just hitting it. It's like, oh, I hit it. And it's not like I wear the same thing every time I go out to dinner like I just you know I want to combine this with this and this and I want to not look like I'm in a costume but have some element of drama to it I suppose and also it's about recognizing yourself that's what I find I don't want to be anonymous I don't want to be like ostentatious, but I want to recognize myself as I've always known myself.

1:10:18And clothes can do that. That's a really nice way to put it. I have this

1:10:31outfit that I wear for breakfast in fancy hotels. And it's, I think his name is Head Meyer. He's an Israeli designer. And it's a pair of trousers, and the waist might be like this big with a drawstring. And it's white cotton. And I keep them really wrinkly, these pants. And then I wear it with a wrinkly white shirt. So it kind of looks like pajamas. And then I wear it with, it looks like slippers, but they're white leather shoes from the row. They're slippers, but they're not bedroom slippers, right? And so sometimes in the evening I'll wear it with a jacket because I want to look like a mental patient who killed his psychiatrist, stole his jacket, and is making a run for it.

1:11:24So it's very specific that that's what I want to look like. But in the morning, sometimes I'll hear people whispering, he came to breakfast in his pajamas. But there are people in cargo shorts. And again, and usually I'll say to the hostess, I'll say, I said, these aren't pajamas I'm wearing. This is my special hotel breakfast outfit. Or sometimes I say, I'm in a cult. We worship three coconuts.

1:12:00Oh, that's so wonderful. Well, thank you so much, David Sedaris, for being on Fashion Neurosis. It's just been such a joy listening to your insights and your rationale and everything about you and looking at you. Amazing. I love those shorts so much. They're fantastic. Thank you. Well, it took a moment to get used to lying down, you know, and looking up and not looking at you. and having my feet on the sofa. But it really is interesting how it changed. It was interesting how it changed things, I think. So yeah, I had a wonderful time. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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