Giggling about butt pads, lawyers, and lisps

0:02Paige DeSorbo: What's up, gigglers?

0:03Hannah Berner: Gary, fix your Wi-Fi.

0:05Paige DeSorbo: Manifest that shit.

0:06Hannah Berner: We can't be managed.

0:11Hannah Berner: I mean, the day just got away from me.

0:15Paige DeSorbo: Hello, my glittering gigglers. Hello, Hannah. Can I just say, you have to be careful when you give me compliments. Mm-hmm. Because you told me that I inspired Margot Robbie with random hair accessories. I took that to heart, woke up this morning, I said, we're gonna put as many accessories in our hair as we can and then I started regretting it you

0:34Hannah Berner: keep me young you truly keep me young because my gen z assistant just recently cut a bob and she truly cut a bob to wear more clips and she does that hairstyle all the time now in my

0:47Paige DeSorbo: heart of hearts I am gen z but with the um millennial upbringing yeah and this is how I

0:54Hannah Berner: I also know you're a narcissist. Because we've been together for 10 minutes, you haven't said one thing about my feather.

1:00Paige DeSorbo: Because I was waiting to press record.

1:02Hannah Berner: A single thing about my feather.

1:03Paige DeSorbo: No, this is a thing. I love this main character, Energy Feather. So she is just like a really comfortable t-shirt.

1:11Hannah Berner: A stod, oversized, she's thick, honey. Feel that, you'd like that. No, that is high quality. I thought it was stowed. Tomato, tomato.

1:18Paige DeSorbo: Tomato, tomato. My mom called me and she's like, you guys got to learn how to pronounce words because it's starting to get to me. And I said, well, that was the educational system that you brought me up with.

1:28Hannah Berner: I love this feather. Amazon, I actually put it in the newsletter. Wait, you added it?

1:33Paige DeSorbo: Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're a full designer. No, I literally. This is Project Runway.

1:37Hannah Berner: It came up on my Amazon, and I was like, what is that fun little clip?

1:40Paige DeSorbo: Okay, so I'm going to put my hair clips in the newsletter, and you put your feather clip, and the girls are going to be. It's kind of like that Jennifer Aniston movie where they put, what is it called?

1:52Hannah Berner: Usually I can get there. usually I can. Jennifer Aniston movie.

1:58Paige DeSorbo: She works as a waitress and she puts, when she does good things, they give her more clips. Oh. Oh, it's all the space flair. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Anyway. Oh, so did you watch? So I watched it. Okay. Tell me everything.

2:10Hannah Berner: You made it seem like a nice, like I was excited to sit down to watch a good documentary and it was. I didn't want to give things away for the people. Not enough people are talking about truly how unhinged Tyra kind of is recently. Like she seems a little bit crazy in this documentary. Also, I have three weeks left in my Invisalign and I actually think it gave me a lisp. So I digress for like two seconds. Or is it the Botox that's giving you a lisp? I think it's a a combination of the things because the one thing you have to do for your job is speak like it's the only thing what's a challenge that I could make my job a little bit harder for myself so Tyra had this like evil grin the whole time yeah where she'd be like she came off um oh my god I don't mean to like bash Tyra Banks right now but she came off like a little bit inauthentic not a little bit she came off like pretty inauthentic especially when they're recounting these events and then they have the actual girls being like no he was groping me yeah like there's no if ands or buts I was uncomfortable and it was weird and no one did

3:24Paige DeSorbo: anything you could tell she didn't know that the other people were gonna speak out the way they did

3:30Hannah Berner: it almost seemed like it was posed to her of like this is a documentary and we're gonna scratch the surface give us you can give us some PR answers and the other people will talk you don't have to

3:42Paige DeSorbo: get as much in the mud I can't believe she agreed to it but I can't believe she agreed to it but I also think she was trying to be like I want to defend myself in a way but then she didn't really try she was kind of just like I don't I don't want to address things well I just think like anything that came up that was like this is a great like okay the girl Shandy where they were

4:05Hannah Berner: talking about how she got blackout drunk and she cheated on her boyfriend and they filmed Which is not what happened. And they filmed the whole thing and then they filmed the next morning. She acted like in the beginning, like she didn't even remember who she was. And it's like, okay, if you had come out and been like, of that time period for TV, I was pressured into making it more salacious and I regret it. Like I shouldn't have added X, Y, and Z because they were editing it.

4:33Paige DeSorbo: And be like, yeah, I got obsessed with making the show as salacious as possible. I wanted to make more money. I wanted the show to be bigger. I wanted to be. I think also anyone in reality TV production. She said she wasn't. She's the executive producer.

4:47Hannah Berner: Right.

4:47Paige DeSorbo: Anyone in reality TV production. I met some of the worst people in my life in reality TV.

4:55Hannah Berner: Reality TV production.

4:57Paige DeSorbo: And some people are good people. They fall into it and then realize, oh, this is horrible what we're doing to these people. Yeah. And then they get out of it. I'm telling you, there's a reality TV reckoning happening.

5:08Hannah Berner: I can say like I've had some producers on reality TV where I'm like, you have made my experience that much better. You've really helped me tell my story. You've really like you've really helped me open up. And then there are some people that I'm like, you actually are the devil. And this is it's crazy.

5:27Paige DeSorbo: They call it producing, but it's actually manipulating. Yeah. They'll say, hey, I'm going to produce her. watch this and then you take a normal person having normal emotions and twist it for them to think they're in some like different setting and yes seeing shandy have to do these phone calls on camera like and you could tell to this day it fucked her up well every single one of them

5:50Hannah Berner: even though this was like 10 to almost 20 years ago none of them are over any situation that they went through like you can just tell the way they're talking about it that it has stuck with them and they think about it every single day you know it's sad if the show wasn't successful

6:04Paige DeSorbo: it actually wouldn't have affected them that much because no one would have seen it so that's the problem with when things go viral is that everything is that much more intense the craziest

6:14Hannah Berner: thing for me is like I feel like I grew up watching Tyra Banks like you watch her on Victoria's Secret she was in that movie Life Size then the show comes out like I just had this vision of Tyra Banks my whole life of like not only she's so stunning and gorgeous but she's smart she's Do you hear my lisp?

6:33Paige DeSorbo: How annoying is it for you? You're like, I can't go on. Or just lean into it. Be like, this is... Not dis... Tara Banks.

6:43Hannah Berner: I have to take my... You could just be French.

6:46Paige DeSorbo: Be like, je ne sais quoi. Oh my God. That was iconic. Keep that in, Grace. Keep that in. It's going to... I feel like I've done that before hooking up with a guy.

6:56Hannah Berner: I've totally taken out things I stuff my bra with before. I'm like, don't worry about this. And not discounting the things that Tyra Banks has done for black women, women like curvy women in modeling, like opened so many doors. Totally. But I saw a clip and it was like her talking about her modeling career, her talking about any like business venture, the show, whatever. And she said, I really want my legacy to be ice cream. And I said, you know what? We're done here. Truly we're done here, I think.

7:25Paige DeSorbo: I think you nailed it when you said there can be multiple truths at once. Did I say that? No. it's like yes back to my original point has done so many amazing things right for women

7:37Hannah Berner: for diversity of size of race of totally but also and the theory of this show was

7:46Paige DeSorbo: good intended like this was also the amount of beautiful women who look differently than the popular model at the time yeah reality tv is messy because they don't treat you as humans yeah your characters that they monetize except afterwards they don't go audition for new characters you are the character right and you're it's stuck with you yeah and I also have to say

8:11Hannah Berner: Tyra didn't act alone Tyra had totally massive executives executives fucking yeah making tons of money off of like Shandy right and if the network says something then it's like okay well this is what we have to do and I feel like she found herself in a rock in a hard place that's why I feel like doing this documentary now if she had sat there and was like so much got fucked up that I would have never seen coming and now years later looking back like I feel really bad if she had just said that one time I think I would have had a totally different experience watching her

8:46Paige DeSorbo: like even at the end when they didn't get what they wanted from her and it cut to Danielle being like shut up like yeah it definitely that was what they wanted you to get from it I also think what pissed me off the most actually there was a lot of things but one of the things that was frustrating is because it was like 2000s yeah they didn't have Instagram so nowadays with reality tv even if something kind of bad happens to you right you still have your own platform that you can build yeah these girls didn't have that she just had to go back to Walgreens and she could not have a voice she couldn't express herself she couldn't show other sides you're almost like in a jail that you created or that they created for you I could tell like even like Love Island um when they these people leave they're set for like five years yeah if they like build a following off of it yeah where these girls couldn't build a following on their own that was it like I could see so many of these girls going extremely viral like people who but then also it could have even been worse like Shandy could have been just so harassed online.

9:48Paige DeSorbo: Right. That like. I'm so happy you brought up Love is Blind.

9:52Hannah Berner: Are you watching? No. So the new season came out. Is it good? It's such a good way to gauge what dating is like in the current moment. Every guy wants a husband. Like they all want. No, like they truly want husbands.

10:07Paige DeSorbo: The truth is if they want to be on reality TV, they want a husband. Louder for the people in the back.

10:13Hannah Berner: they want a husband and they also um the only reason why I say that is because like a lot of it they talk a lot this season about like being sexually attracted to the person which totally like I could never do love is blind like I I feel like that is like a solid 50 50 like you have to be able to have sex with that person but the guys want to be they don't want to do the initiating Like one of the arguments was like, okay, but you could like initiate too. And I am so of like the mindset of like, if you think it should be 50-50, you want a husband. Like you don't want to date me. Yeah. Like you want her to chase you.

10:54Hannah Berner: They also, a lot of the men, like they bring it up more that they're not attracted to the women. And it's, I'm like, do you own a mirror? Like, have you ever looked in it one time? No, just like one time. take a glance why you think you deserve someone you're already with someone that's way hotter than you what you think you deserve someone even hotter please check the mirror it is crazy to think what men think they well it's delusion and all the girls say that like wow he's here's a one all another gripe I have with love is blind I don't know these people's names and if I see them one time on the screen and you don't have their name in the lower third I'm never remembering it love is blind someone in editing keep the names up for longer this is one season we're never seeing these people again I'm not memorizing their names like I have no idea what couple is which and what their names are and I'm just like the blonde one the blonde or blonde one I just want them to be uglier people missing teeth okay that's like a totally different show no but like that's love is blind like i want you to fall in love with someone and be like but everyone is i actually think they do a really good job of like i don't think there's someone that i'm like oh my god she's like um 10 times better looking than all the other girls like i really do feel like all the

12:16Paige DeSorbo: girls are pretty but is it more interesting if they throw in like a model with a horrible personality and then like the funniest most charming like girl who isn't traditionally

12:27Hannah Berner: good looking i mean yeah everything would make that would like make way better to me but like you're no better than a man like you're like what if we got a leggy model okay and we put her with an ogre ratings would skyrocket and no they would but i that's why i'm like it's so crazy that the men are like i don't know if i'm attracted to you because i'm like you don't know if you're attracted to her like are you kidding men would have sex with warm bread pudding if it was in their vicinity Hannah you would be so mad there's this literal she's an angel I don't know what an aim is though and I wish I don't watch these shows because I get too mad she's an angel she's gorgeous she's stunning she's a doctor a medical md doctor went to college multiple years this man is pushing pushing five six truly and he looks at this woman and he goes i'm really used to being with someone that goes to pilates every single day first of all no you're not so that's a lie second of all then if you like it so much go she's busy saving lives she doesn't have time to do pilates three times a day she's literally what was it called during covid when like she's essential oh she's an essential worker she's essential you're not and if you love pilates so much you should go every day but also men i'm also sick of the men going to pilates that's like a whole other gripe like well that's illegal it's not space for you who's going to pilates i've just seen i've been seeing it a lot on my timeline oh my god and i'm getting i'm starting to get really annoyed

14:03Paige DeSorbo: no because if there's a man in your pilates class you're gonna get robbed well it's also like okay

14:09Hannah Berner: you don't let us go to the gym and wear sports bras because you're freaks and now you think you're gonna show up at our place to work to our gorgeous ballet studios yeah and then they're

14:21Paige DeSorbo: always like can I put another red on shut the fuck up shut up shut up anyway but the problem with these middle good-looking men like they're in the middle we all know those are the ones that like really fuck with you like any time I've dated down yeah but when you date down what is your What is your definition of dating up? I don't like dating down. I like to feel like I'm obsessed with them.

14:47Hannah Berner: I want to feel lucky to be with them. You have to admire them. I think that's the word.

14:52Paige DeSorbo: And I have dated guys who I admire their jawline. But then the second they open their mouth, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

14:59Hannah Berner: My grandma said something to me. This is like years. I mean, I was in like middle school. I'm like, grandma, I don't even know if I need to know this. but she said something to me that has like truly stuck with me through my 20s and my 30s and that is if you have a son and your son walked through the door right now and he was an exact replica of who you're currently dating are you proud of that person and I'm like I'm delusional

15:26Paige DeSorbo: where like I don't rate myself in any way I just know that I'm that girl so I'm not like oh I'm this I don't look in the mirror I don't know how I look I just know that I want the best for myself that is right for me we have high standards I have very very high expectations very high expectations and I have I think it's because of my parents yeah and I know yours as well very high zero tolerance for disrespect zero tolerance zero tolerance for not believing in me zero tolerance for sassiness zero gentle parenting not around here never seen it never heard of it

16:02Hannah Berner: only heard about it in books and movies never experienced it and I remember dating

16:11Paige DeSorbo: down and when I say down it's like you know in your heart of hearts like you're a loser he's a loser yeah I feel like they know that they don't deserve you and because of their insecurities they fuck with you yes and that's the most upsetting thing and that's literally like made my mind crazy yeah though honestly that's a whole plot of tell me lies and the the director

16:36Hannah Berner: it's triggering for me it is i said that girl should not be talking to him well they just ended the series they just put the season finale out which i watched it some people were like mad about it because they felt like the main character steven like got away with everything whatever there's like a lot of discourse about it men getting away with stuff that's life but one of the craziest things is the director I think she's the director he came out and was like I have been shocked over the past few years about how many people are so mad at Lucy saying that she's just as bad as Steven and and hating her almost in the sense of like well because she's weak we hate her but like discounting the fact that she wasn't like this like he literally manipulated her he

17:22Paige DeSorbo: made her into this your response to abuse should not be judged yeah people respond to abuse in many different ways yeah some people freak out some people just become a clam yeah and I think not that seafood reference again do you know my dad called me last night he goes I gotta talk to

17:42Hannah Berner: you about something because I'm a little bit pissed off and my dad rarely will call me after like 8 p.m because I'm like he's asleep I get a facetime at 9 30 and I'm like oh I must have like really like annoyed him with something and he goes how dare you sit on your podcast and talk bad about clams i took my side he goes i love clams you love clams you're acting like you're not you don't love clams we go to he goes we go to italy every single year i eat clams for dinner

18:07Paige DeSorbo: and lunch and you didn't even say anything i love how we say the most horrible shit about men and

18:12Hannah Berner: your dad calls can we discuss the clam the clam he goes well one time in italy we saw michael cores like at breakfast and he's never forgot it so when you talk about michael cores on the pod

18:25Paige DeSorbo: he's like my friend i saw hannah saw my friend did you say hi did you say gary says maybe we could all have clamps i love that gary's listening hi gary bear um speaking of calling people last night our lives are never boring never something come comes up and i want it i want express yourself i'm all hyped up yeah now i know it was around 10 30 and i said paige is out for the day she's done she's clocked out she's clocked out but i in one of those

18:54Hannah Berner: moments of friendship i said i don't care yeah if you're calling me post 9 45 you might get a yoga

19:00Paige DeSorbo: instructor you might get a health guru i answer hyped up i've been i've been jacked up yeah page

19:07Hannah Berner: answers with a mask on yeah a classic sleep-in face mask i get my collagen where i can i give

19:14Paige DeSorbo: her all these crazy arguments she goes i'm gonna need you to relax i'm about a joint and a half

19:22Hannah Berner: deep hannah starts hitting me with life plaguing questions like like you like i'm not talking next week next month i'm talking things that will affect us in five to seven years project

19:37Paige DeSorbo: going on and I'm like I had an epiphany I think we scratch it I go I think we start from the ground up and it's it's because of these seven different points and she looks at me she goes everything's gonna be fine I need you to just relax I'm gonna need you to take a beat but mind you if I'd called you at like 11 o 'clock right when you're on your walking pad and you're jacked up with coffee you would have been like I'm actually let me get on the phone with my lawyer right now and I'll deal

20:01Hannah Berner: with this there's nothing I love more than getting on the phone with my lawyer there's nothing I Actually, there's one thing I love more than getting on the phone with my lawyer is telling people I'm getting on the phone with my lawyer.

20:12Paige DeSorbo: Well, see you in small claims court is real.

20:15Hannah Berner: Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. So I'm hosting the SAG Awards, red carpet for Netflix. I have a frozen chin, a lisp. Now, I didn't tell Netflix that I have a frozen chin and a lisp. I'm still here now. And my fear is I'm going to do it. and people are gonna be like oh my god she went so overboard with the botox she loves plastic surgery when i was the one that was like i'm waiting to get botox and then i get a little bit botched and now all of the sudden so i'm like nervous that that's gonna be whatever i have two

20:47Paige DeSorbo: weeks though until you're gonna be totally fine also i've been looking at your face this whole time i haven't been distracted by your but i also don't i don't really listen to you but you love me and i love you there's a lot of people out there that don't the worst thing people have to say about you is like you overdid the Botox that's a relatable queen oh thank you so much for saying it's honestly more likable for you to stop being so perfect all the time I would feel like let me

21:09Hannah Berner: tell you something too I really need your help and I selfishly asked you to come over to my apartment today because I actually want you to help me with my cards for the SAG Awards I was gonna say I was supposed to do it with you Hannah's supposed to do the SAG Awards with me and I get a phone call from Hannah saying um I actually decided to absolutely not do that no but the day before

21:29Paige DeSorbo: floor i'm shooting my special okay it was it was it was impossible and emotionally i couldn't make

21:35Hannah Berner: it happen you couldn't handle it the amount of beta blockers actually don't exist for me to find

21:41Paige DeSorbo: then you've dealt with me me tired standing on the wrong side before especially that's like a lot

21:46Hannah Berner: that you need like a full week to recover so you have to study so i have to study let me just say

21:52Paige DeSorbo: it's live which is different than a lot of people can interview and just take the funniest moments and post it which is ideal yeah um but live is like you're gonna be working babe well i have like

22:06Hannah Berner: normal facts about every single celebrity like how many times i've been nominated what movie it's for like blah blah all the boring facts but now i'm going in and adding like one funny question or like okay look they hired me for a personality honey like they knew they were getting i don't it is live so like i guess you can ask anything here do you trust

22:27Paige DeSorbo: you just do full andy cohen at a reunion with everyone coming in no you go who have you been side eyeing do you have a finsta no i'm obsessed also at the end of the day your dress is really good no my dress is which is I think it's really good. All that matters. Truly. It's truly all that matters. But it's going to be fun. I can't wait to watch it. Wait, one other viral thing that I saw recently.

22:55Hannah Berner: And, you know, we don't like praising the men on this. But sometimes I'm like, oh, I have to take like someone's side. I don't know why I didn't see this during the Super Bowl or anything. But did you see that clip of Tom Brady and Logan Paul? They were like at the Super Bowl doing a podcast. Ooh, that doesn't come across on my algorithm.

23:11Paige DeSorbo: Thank God.

23:12Hannah Berner: Okay, the only reason it came across mine was it was a girl doing like a duet to it, like a rebuttal video. Essentially, there's like some game or something like that Tom Brady's doing, I think. Like, I don't know if it's flag football or if it's like football, but it's like for a chair. I have no idea what it is. Tagger it. Yeah, like not what I'm here for. But Logan Paul is playing in it. And so they were talking about like competing against each other or on the same team. but like whatever and I guess there's other professional sports people like playing in said game whatever.

23:47Paige DeSorbo: Crazy no one asked me to continue.

23:48Hannah Berner: So basically the debate not even the debate Tom Brady says to Logan Paul like it's cute that you think you're an athlete but you're not a professional athlete like you're about to be with major professional athletes and Logan Paul starts talking about high school same I would do the same and then he says how he's in the WWE yes and Tom Brady kind of like chuckled I actually felt bad for Tom Brady in this moment because I'm like if I was sitting there and some fucking kid was across the table from me and I'm the proven best in my sport in my position for the past 10 years Tom Brady put himself in that position don't go on a podcast with logan paul that's what you get and i would say as someone who like admittedly did like logan and jake paul's reality show who knows what i was going through at that time

24:45Paige DeSorbo: well let's be honest you liked the girls in it i liked nina i liked watching nina and the other

24:51Hannah Berner: one who just won a gold medal i love an olympian sorry i like women winning yeah sorry yeah i do

24:57Paige DeSorbo: have to say every now and then i'll be talking to someone and i'll bring up something that happened to me with tennis with college and they're like you're literally a man like I feel like I'm on a bad hinge date like if you say check tape to me I'm like what I don't think we brought this up I don't know how I didn't watch this earlier I think it's because I was waiting to watch it and then it it left my desk and it came right back across my desk did you watch the Wagatha Christie story on Hulu what the heck is a Wagatha okay so Agatha Christie is the novel is a novel of like a investigator. Yeah.

25:35Paige DeSorbo: It's about soccer wags. Okay. Documentary. Yes. In England, which you love England. It's basically Molly Mae, but if she was with soccer players. Paige. No, that's the kind of money I want to watch on TV.

25:49Hannah Berner: Paige, this is the most incredible thing. How many episodes? And I'm diving into that.

25:53Paige DeSorbo: Yeah, it's at least three. Okay. Oh my God. So it starts off, of course, I don't remember any of the names, but one of the women, is with one of the biggest football players in England. She met him in high school, really cute, and immediately goes from just being a poor English girl to getting papped on the street to be like, what's her story? Why is this guy with her? They fell in love in high school. So she immediately is a star. Yeah. And she's gorgeous and people like her, but she's just a regular person. And she likes living this regular life. And she has a private Instagram where she has like 300 of her friends.

26:31Paige DeSorbo: who she actually knows.

26:32Hannah Berner: I love that. And she posts like cute things about the family. Do you know one of my favorite things about my brother's girlfriend is that she doesn't have Instagram and she literally doesn't care about it. And I'm like, you're so cool. Like we only speak because we send each other TikToks. I'm like, that's my only form of communication with you.

26:49Paige DeSorbo: Neither does my brother, which is why.

26:51Hannah Berner: No, there's something to be said about it.

26:53Paige DeSorbo: The men in my family are just iconic. My dad just learned how to post Insta stories, which is a problem.

26:58Hannah Berner: My brother hasn't posted in like 12 years. And that's why we trust them.

27:02Paige DeSorbo: My brother was out here posting for attention. I'd be like, did I not beat you enough?

27:09Hannah Berner: I actually feel like I get that text once a week from my brother. Did I not beat you enough as a child? I'm like, okay, you know what? No, I did actually. That's why I'm so mean to men. That's why I have no respect for any man. Because I was beaten my whole life by my older brother. Logan Paul thinks he's so good at the WWE? never seen Gary DeSorbo okay never seen Gary DeSorbo after a couple putting a little girl in a headlock after a two liter of Pepsi unstoppable

27:40Paige DeSorbo: wanna wrestle anyway traumatizing so she posts on her private story now things start getting leaked to the sun the sun which is the is like the Daily Mail it's like the the TMZ of England the TMZ of England and at first it's kind of innocent stuff like oh um oh no there was a drama though her husband gets blackout drunk is found driving in a car with a random girl he's like i don't know how i got in the car why is this girl in my car how did this she needed a ride she jumped in my car i didn't know she was trying to yeah jack my car i don't know what his excuse was but she was going through it because she loves this man and she's like he clearly is drinking problems and cheats on me when he's drunk at one point she posts that she's with him during this like on and off time and it goes to the sun that they're that they're together the s-u-n and she's like that's crazy because i just posted it on my story and she's looking through like who could have leaked this this continues happening and she's starting to go crazy and get really paranoid because she's like is this one of my

28:48Hannah Berner: close friends wait are you going to tell us who it is because i'd like to put in my formal guests now it's one of her friends that knows him from high school and maybe they've hooked up or dated

29:04Paige DeSorbo: please proceed that is a great okay it could have been so but it wasn't it's actually one of her not close friends she was at like a big soccer thing and she met another wag who loves being famous loves being on covers loves having articles written about her now for some reason this girl when the sun writes about her it's all positive it's like look at her on vacation in italy and she's like i've never seen someone get so much positive footage from a tabloid before so she met this girl and the girl immediately was like what's your instagram i can't find you and she's like oh this is my private instagram so she's another wag so she thinks like that girl would there's like a code there's a code it's it's like a bro code of what to say what yeah yeah so she's like i think it's this girl so she finds a way to block everyone from her story i mean that's why they're calling it wagatha christie this girl's a genius but also it's interesting she won't tell anyone she's not going to a lawyer she's not going to the police she's just like i'm gonna figure this out on my own which is very you coded i was just gonna say

30:13Hannah Berner: the power of a woman the power of a woman the power of a determined woman i'm not calling a

30:18Paige DeSorbo: 65 year old man to like put this on his desk and forget about it so she posts something very controversial okay she's always wanted to have a daughter she has like four sons so she posts that she's going to mexico to try to like confirm the gender of her child like something that like

30:36Hannah Berner: something crazy like crazy like we're adopting an alien yes so she posts it and she sees the

30:42Paige DeSorbo: other wag see it she's the only one that saw nothing happens and then she waits and then something else gets leaked and she's like fuck this i'm blocking the girl and the girl responds is like hey why'd you block me like the girl's clearly following stuff then a couple months later the story leaks about the girl and the gender baby so she's basically so gender baby so she just goes straight to twitter and is like i cannot believe this wag has been doing this to me and my goes on a whole thing it blows up guess what the other wag does she says it's not me i'm suing your ass so they get in this insane legal battle and the other wag they're like okay everyone has to submit their phones and stuff the wag the other wag goes oh my phone got dropped in a lake and then her agent too was like oh my phone broke they i don't know what was going on but they did then they submitted like files with things redacted okay and should i say what happened

31:51Hannah Berner: yeah okay you've let us all to this water and then you're like and find out in the next episode

31:57Paige DeSorbo: no tell us what happened so at first it seemed like shoot they weren't going to be able to say who did it but it was found between the agent and the other wag that they were both colluding to sending stuff so it was proven yeah that she was guilty it was the craziest war but I think that

32:18Hannah Berner: woman still says like it wasn't me here's my thing with that like I feel like I've been in the position you two so many times where I'm like I could go to war with this person and truly prove them wrong in the court of public opinion and I can bring up all these receipts and I could show everyone just how fucking crazy you are but then I will have to live with anytime someone googles your nameless name I'm going to come up and I don't want anything to do with you I don't want to be like put together with you in a news article I don't want our names ever being in the same sentence so you have to be really mad like you have to really she regretted it yeah she regretted

33:03Paige DeSorbo: it she said my life i thought i was gonna like you think you're getting justice she thought she's getting justice and she said the next like three years of my life were the worst years of my life millions of dollars spent in legal fees yeah in the and just negative attention energy even thinking about this loser your private life is so exposed yeah every single text message it's very scary um so as two sicilians who love revenge there are so many times where you're like you're a miserable fuck and i'm not playing in the mud with pigs well you know how like i love

33:38Hannah Berner: blocking people and you're like i never i've never i've no never blocked a person yeah you're like

33:44Paige DeSorbo: i block people on my phone because i don't like people having access to me right but you're very

33:47Hannah Berner: much like let them social media babe social media where i'm like okay blocked gotta go i forget what my point was i just like to point that out you don't black people and i do i don't block people because look you got to see the whole movie you can't stop in the beginning of the movie when things are hard no but i just think like it is a better revenge being like you think you're trying to you think you're taking me down but my silence of like never speaking your name not even knowing that you exist is probably eating you up more oof than like me acknowledging you and saying that you

34:23Paige DeSorbo: are in fact crazy yeah i block men i block bad friends on my phone because i don't want you to have access to me i don't want you to try to manipulate me i don't want you to try to um yeah like fuck up boundaries that i've put yeah but in terms of me as a person and my social media and what i'm up to um it drives me i think it's smart yeah i think i appreciate that you know when you give me compliments that you create a monster so please stop um I'm also obsessed with random nepo babies I didn't know we're random nepo babies like like Lily Collins people don't talk about her

35:04Hannah Berner: like she's a nepo baby her dad is Phil Collins which is who again he's like one of the greatest

35:09Paige DeSorbo: musicians of our time no I knew that like well he's iconic because he like looks like an accountant and then he's like playing every instrument and like has the voice of an angel do you remember the Tarzan soundtrack?

35:20Hannah Berner: Not off the top of my head but if someone brought it Nope, it's still not like totally ringing a bell. You got it. Don't be shy. No. He wrote it though? Yeah. Any other good ones? Tarzan was like my sexual awakening. No, I mean Nepo children. Oh, I think I thought you wanted me to keep with Phil Collins music. That's so funny because I remember when I was younger seeing Tarzan I my first instinct was you know why would she want to be in the jungle

35:54Paige DeSorbo: she's wearing a dress she's wearing I hated that she had like pearls and like little gloves and

36:00Hannah Berner: then she was forced to be in the mud yes I hate it I was pissed off I actually wouldn't finish watching it I like told my mom I was like this is stupid she's dressed she's ready like she has to now like forage he's not even speaking to her like i had strong opinions on tarzan when i was

36:19Paige DeSorbo: younger i was like get it off the screen mom that's like getting mad at jasmine for going with the guy with no job instead of jafar who is loaded well i'm like babe it's you you have the

36:31Hannah Berner: money you could show him the world what are we talking about you don't have to get on a carpet you can get in a Lamborghini

36:38Paige DeSorbo: yeah a carpet a carpet that's been set on multiple when was the last time they vacuumed that carpet

36:45Hannah Berner: we rarely talk about like any good we do you know anything nice we do for like that's boring I do try and do a lot with like my old high school they're still around and like if I'm like I can't let another one go it's all you have at this point it's all I have I could go back to my middle school which is thriving but I feel like they don't need my help yeah so anyway I try and like sponsor things when I can I try and like pay for things whatever but one of the things that I do is they do like this like alumni connection and you can like someone can like ask you because you've like already graduated to be there whatever so I find myself couldn't even be Gen Z what is she if you're in college right now I think Gen Z is she still Gen Z yeah I think so I find myself chatting with a Gen Z girl quite often and it's so funny because it's not that long ago that we were freshmen in college it really isn't though how long is that 10 years like 15 years oh actually okay wow the math in my head I was like but if I'm 26 someone yesterday was talking to us about our

38:02Paige DeSorbo: age and I was like we're 26 yeah but everyone thinks we're 26 literally I just was like wait but I'm 26 so how could that be I think people think we're like 29 to 31 whatever it doesn't

38:13Hannah Berner: feel that long ago even though it was yeah but when I talk to her I do immediately get back into the mindset of like oh my god and if I don't have this figured out and and then I'm telling her like you this is what like the beginning of college is for to like figure out all these things you are not behind you you did not you didn't even you couldn't even mess anything up yet if you tried until like I find her me like talking to her about all that stuff and then obviously we talk about like lasering our hair off and all this but she texted me recently because we had talked about like her being in a relationship and like all of this stuff and she texted me recently and she was like I fucked around and I listened to Giggly Squad a little bit too much and I broke up with my boyfriend and I just I feel like now we need to go even younger do you know why I say good

39:03Paige DeSorbo: because no girl has ever broken up with a guy and regretted it which is an amazing point because I would never accidentally made a mistake and broke up with a guy you have one girlfriend that had that you've ever had a conversation with where she said oh he's really the one that got away never never also no girl randomly just wakes up and is like I'm gonna break up with the guy right She has went through pros and cons. She's talked to 12 to 17 different people about it. Including professionals, including her therapist. I actually think there is a young crew of girls who listen to Giggly Squad, and they're powerful.

39:41Hannah Berner: No, they're powerful. I'm like, if you can recognize this now, that he's holding you back, he doesn't want you to do X, Y, and Z because it's making him feel inadequate because of whatever. like if you can realize that now you save like so much time in your 20s i also hate to say it

39:59Paige DeSorbo: because i love sex in the city yeah but it did give me this feeling of like you could be single in your 30s and it's kind of scary like they're they're like how do we find this man how do we find this man how do we find this man but maybe they're listening to girls like us in our 30s where it's like yeah i'm married but like we don't talk about that gross wait i love how i literally was like you don't need to find him but the truth is is like we're not like it's not life or death finding a man well one i feel like because you're married and it so you don't think about it and also because i'm married and it you guys understand that it doesn't like it doesn't play into your day-to-day life who is where is that man who is he no one's respecting me more because i'm married every respect i've ever gotten in this industry is because of myself if anything one of my respect one of my biggest fears of getting married is that

40:47Hannah Berner: i will lose respect it's horrible for the brand no i'm like wait people aren't gonna take me seriously because i take you seriously you reflect on me i'm like do you realize that you're ruining

40:58Paige DeSorbo: everything about my yeah and sex in the city was literally them at brunch sometimes just being like this guy hurt me this guy i don't know what to do with this guy i don't know that guy no that's like

41:07Hannah Berner: I would say right now at this time, one of my biggest fears is that if I get married and I have a baby, everyone will look at me differently, treat me differently, and my job and career will change.

41:20Paige DeSorbo: Seeing girls pre-being a mom as like that's their life, and then after when the mom starts, it's like, well, now you're a mom. But I think we're the generation that's changing that. Yeah, we'll start with me. We'll start with you. but I will say when I froze my eggs I did feel like oh I'm fine also there's so many women in the arts women in STEM who you don't realize has a full-fledged family she just doesn't talk about it right I do have to say I don't like when influencers make their boyfriends their whole personality because then when it doesn't work out yeah it's like you want you're less than because he was making you who you were.

42:02Hannah Berner: Yeah, and also just like if you have a boyfriend that wants to be on your Instagram story, like he wants a husband.

42:07Paige DeSorbo: Can I just say hot take? Whenever I see influencers like post with their boyfriend and he looks miserable.

42:13Hannah Berner: Yeah.

42:13Paige DeSorbo: Green flag.

42:15Hannah Berner: I kind of think so too. And I've like seen girls comments where it's like, he hates you. And I'm like, I couldn't even bring myself to comment that on someone's like, that's crazy. Because I know men in my life who are the greatest men

42:26Paige DeSorbo: do not want to be on camera. If a camera gets in front of them They're immediately like freeze Don't know what to do Don't know what to say And don't like it If a camera If a man is telling me He wants to be in my Insta story Yeah Red fucking flag Yeah

42:41Hannah Berner: And obviously there's so many reasons Why I never talk about like Dating a man Or like being with a man Like even like Valentine's Day People were like Obviously you're in a man's bedroom Because it has no artwork The bed's unmade Like what's going on here Is that a jail cell um there's so many different reasons on why one I feel like because I was like had such public relationships and like the court of public opinion is like not healthy but two is because I'm like what the hell does he have to do with my personality 100 % you know like 100 % I posted

43:19Paige DeSorbo: happy valentine's day with my mom and people were like messaging me like what's going on with you and does i'm like you mean the man sitting next to me right now right there's two types of men

43:28Hannah Berner: there's men that um love compliments and like love praise and love like looking cool and like yeah i'll post this picture because like i want a dm that says i look cool or people to think that i look cool whatever and then there's men that don't post because they only care if like you think it's cool also they know they're cool they don't need other people to tell them what my

43:54Paige DeSorbo: major point what my point was the thing is you're really good at setting up a point here's the

44:00Hannah Berner: difference i'm in whatever you're about to say i agree with actually let me rewind let me go back there's two types of men there's men that care about what other women think and then there's men that care about only what the person they're with thinks but i wouldn't even just say men

44:15Paige DeSorbo: there's two types of women yeah women that care about what every man thinks of them yeah and women who just care about the man they love thinks of them there's and there's a power in that there's

44:25Hannah Berner: also three types there's also another type of man that like who cares what other men think well des is like this and i would put des in this category he doesn't play when it comes to you like there is like because here's the thing if you posted a picture of him and someone commented something rude you're setting him up to have an angry day because he can't compartmentalize if it was about him he could compartmentalize and be like yeah that person who cares I don't know that person but when it comes to you he doesn't mess around but then there's men where it's like you would talk shit about me if someone gave you the opportunity and they were like no one

45:08Paige DeSorbo: will ever know say what you really feel the way your man speaks about you is how he feels about you and what he puts into the world.

45:15Hannah Berner: And I will say, I don't think I've ever been with someone. I actually, just to dumb it down, I don't think I've ever been with someone who genuinely liked, genuinely liked my full personality, like, liked certain parts and certain characteristics. But I don't think I've ever been with someone that like 360 likes my personality.

45:38Paige DeSorbo: If you feel like you have to be anything other than yourself, that's the red flag. Which goes back to the beginning of Love is Blind, which is if you feel like you, it's not about being with someone who's really hot or being with someone who's really cool. It's about being with someone who makes you feel like you. And that's what my parents always said to me. Yeah. When my parents would see me with whatever man I was with at the time, they wouldn't look at him. They would look at me.

46:06Hannah Berner: Yeah. And they would be like, I don't like how you acted around him.

46:09Paige DeSorbo: Yes. Like you're not eating. you're like you're not I mean you look amazing no it would always be I feel like you're waiting for him to or like he seems to control he's controlling like it was looking at me and when they saw me being able to be childlike and free and myself that's when they said that's the man for you yeah it was never them looking at the man girl I also think like this is the first time in

46:34Hannah Berner: my life I've ever dated someone Italian like fully why do you think you never went Italian before I don't know

46:40Paige DeSorbo: It's not like there weren't enough Italians in New York

46:43Hannah Berner: I feel like I never really

46:45Paige DeSorbo: Or you knew that once you started you'd be stuck I feel like

46:49Hannah Berner: Well it's hard Explaining an Italian family To like a Waspy white guy From Connecticut There is such a disconnect Do you know the word like acida

47:02Paige DeSorbo: Yeah you get acida When you get worked up Yeah like this morning

47:09Hannah Berner: that's how i live my life like this morning i was just like i have like achita like i can't like and it's it's heartburn but it's also you're just like also you explaining ricotta to someone yeah and to like me being like okay origin of the word look i don't know origin of the word but you give

47:27Paige DeSorbo: it to me like i don't i hate to say it and be an annoying new yorker but like my man is new york Like I've dated guys from other places and it's not that they're evil. It's that they don't feel like home. And you cannot have your cortisol levels confused and weirded out. It makes you bloated. When you're with someone who feels like family, for better or worse, sometimes their demons are your family's demons, which makes things, at least you know how to deal with it. Yeah. The devil you know. finding someone that is right for you and not just right on a paper technicality or Instagram yeah don't get caught up in this like oh I like he looks good in my Instagram stories right no I like I'll never post a man ever again I don't even if I have a son I don't even think I'll post him you know because we never know we can't be too we can never be too cautious

48:23Hannah Berner: Jess. I'm like, am I really your mom? I don't know. No, it is just like weird. Dating is weird. It's weird dating also in your 30s because I don't think when you're younger, you fantasize about it. Like you fantasize about dating in your 20s like, oh my God, what's it going to be like? And I'm going to go on all these dates. And you rarely think about it in your 30s because you're like, oh, well, I'll be married by then. And then when you're not, you're like, well, what is this? what is dating in your 30s? Yeah, do you even call it a boyfriend? You're basically his boss. Like one of my girlfriends texted me the other day like, okay, this is a perfect example.

49:02Hannah Berner: In my 20s, if someone didn't send an Uber for me to go out on a date, I would think nothing of it. We live in New York City. Yeah, of course, I'm going to meet you there. There's no like, let me pick you up in New York City because whatever. Now if I'm in my 30s, if a guy doesn't offer to send me an Uber to like dinner I'm not going how am I supposed to get there and if he doesn't it's like an Uber x I'm not going like this is this is the first date you're supposed to be putting all your cards out on the table for me to look at and some people might have listened

49:37Paige DeSorbo: to that and said Paige you're being high maintenance you're being over the top she knows what she wants and why waste six months with a guy when you know immediately he's not thinking the right way if you

49:46Hannah Berner: have high expectations high expectations is what you'll get and if you have low expectations low

49:52Paige DeSorbo: expectations is what you'll get i but i also think in your 20s it's so much easier to lie to yourself like you don't know also you're poor in your 20s you're poor and you don't know like you're literally like okay he did that but that could mean this we don't know it's i always say it's like taking your first shot of vodka yeah when you're like someone's like do you want to chase her and you're like why like nothing you don't know what could go wrong and now when you see tequila you're like

50:15Hannah Berner: I'm gonna gag this goes back to like love is blind because I'm like watching grown men like explain why they won't give the woman that they picked to marry compliments and I'm like this is like a really this is like a really painful conversation and one guy was like trying to say oh because you asked me to do it now like I can and now I'm putting up a wall if you're with a man and he says the phrase I'm putting up a wall again he wants a husband um like that's for girls putting up a wall is for girls because of you guys you can't put up walls like you have no walls I also did buy a skims butt pad just because I want to say are you gonna put it in the dress I don't know we're gonna say wait I'm obsessed with you I just wanted to try it out I mean I have the nipple bra I'm like what if I just built it imagine me with a butt pad you can go to my

51:06Paige DeSorbo: apartment you could try it on I have it okay we gotta go try some butt pads we love you gigglers Thank you for listening and talk to you later. Have a great weekend. Bye.