Giggling about therapy, retirement, and ravioli

0:00Hannah Berner: Okay, autumn in New York is the season where we can finally start dressing again. Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work? Outfit. Leading a meeting? Outfit. Getting drinks with your friends? Obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with alleys from Sam Edelman. They're a ballet flat, but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything even Daphne's eyes they're so cute and I'm already envisioning my next outfit straight leg jeans an oversized blazer and a little shoulder bag very I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not and Hannah is loving hers too she has the Michaela which is the Sam Edelman's take on a Mary Jane and this season it comes in the chicest leopard so gorge so easy and exactly the kind of shoe that makes an otherwise basic outfit look like you actually tried.

0:56Hannah Berner: And there's so much more coming from Sam Edelman this fall beyond these two, like the new Tegan and Tallulah pumps, plus ready-to-wear handbags, fragrances, and even a new men's collection. So basically, you can make sure both you and your man are looking good for date night because we're not doing all that getting dressed just to let him show up in a t-shirt. Head to samedelman.com and get 15 % off with code Giggly15. This episode is sponsored by the new Hershey's Creme Bars in Salted Caramel and Affogato. Lately, I've been realizing that luxury doesn't have to mean some huge splurge. Sometimes it's just taking a few minutes to yourself during a busy day.

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2:16Hannah Berner: sup gigglers carry it fix your wi-fi manifest that shit we can't be managed

2:25Hannah Berner: I mean the day just

2:27Paige DeSorbo: got away from me grazie gigglers yes giggler sorry that became a different language I don't know what that was I'm a little mad at you can I say something yeah love your content support women in the arts your outfits are fire where are the food photos i'm sick of seeing amelio pucci where's the parmesan no i know you're not giving me what i want you're gatekeeping you sicko

2:58Hannah Berner: no i'm not gatekeeping some of the things i order i feel like i take a picture of it and it doesn't it's not the right aesthetic it doesn't look that appetizing but i'm like i promise it's really good and here's the thing what it i think what it is i order a lot of eggplant and it's just like it's not the prettiest dish wait i didn't know you know i love eggplant i love eggplant no i love eggplant i love eggplant in all forms honestly i ordered it the other day and they brought it out in like a bunt cake you could make eggplant in any way and i was like this is so interesting and then they like gave it to when they sliced it like it was cake for me

3:41Paige DeSorbo: eggplant is the italian potato it comes in all shapes and forms fried mashed ground are they grilled well you know that place frank little frankies in new york city they like grill it and they kind of mash it a little bit with the skin still on and then they put honey and like something spicy on it okay welcome to the food network yeah so anyway just a request for for more food content but your outfits have been incredible and you tried to make it oh yeah do you want to speak

4:13Hannah Berner: for yourself for gaslighting everyone i gaslit everyone into thinking i didn't have any outfits but here's the thing gaslito gaslitito i just went through one week of outfits i have another week here so we're not out of the trenches if anything we're smack dab in the middle okay so yeah obviously I had some outfits I didn't come naked but you know I'm definitely looking at the closet

4:41Paige DeSorbo: being like we're getting down to the wire how much how much shopping are you doing I have done a

4:47Hannah Berner: significant amount of shopping okay good and it feels great good did you heal anything retail Cell therapy is real therapy.

4:57Paige DeSorbo: Wait, can I announce? You remember how I told everyone? I don't know if I told everyone, but I stopped seeing my therapist.

5:03Hannah Berner: I don't think you announced anyone.

5:05Paige DeSorbo: Okay, and I got off my meds. But then I got right back on my meds real quick.

5:09Hannah Berner: I was going to say, we're free-flowing this summer.

5:12Paige DeSorbo: No, we've been back on the meds. But I was like, I feel like it's like having a therapist is like having a boyfriend where it's fun until you're sick of them. And then you're like, I want to be single. I just want my single self and then you're like having the best time being single and then it starts getting dark it starts getting scary it starts getting lonely and then you're like I just want to talk to someone alone sometimes so last week I was just on internet hitting up random therapists getting consultations like through what medium what form psychology today dot com and then they'd call my home phone and they'd be like hey and i'm like do you think we're a good fit and it was pretty traumatizing but i just want to let rewind your home phone i just

6:03Hannah Berner: wanted to say home phone oh i was like do you have a home phone because i was like oh maybe maybe in the hampton she does have a home phone you know people still sometimes when you're filling

6:13Paige DeSorbo: out forms it says home phone and cell phone and i go grow up my parents have a home phone do they

6:19Hannah Berner: have a fax do you remember when people faxed yeah we yes i loved faxing that's one of my things i

6:27Paige DeSorbo: think is like bluetooth it's not real like i don't think anyone actually sent a fax my grandma used

6:32Hannah Berner: to fax a lot of things and now when i think about it what was she faxing and i remember like i remember when you would hear a fax come through and she'd be like don't touch the fax because like if you picked up the phone it would like cancel it out oh or she didn't want you to touch it

6:49Paige DeSorbo: because she was doing a legal activity grandma all i wanted to do was pick up the phone and like pretend wow bring back faxing bring back faxing um so yeah anyway i'm i'm i found a therapist i think i like okay and i had my first session today it's a person i highly recommend people humans for therapy and i'm excited about where this is gonna go with us you know

7:19Hannah Berner: therapy does sometimes feel like dating because that like there's nothing worse than breaking up with your therapist like and you stay in it too long and you know that you're in it too long and you're like i feel like we've outgrown each other but i don't know how to get out of it because you don't feel like blowing up your life right then and there and some therapists can be like clingy

7:40Paige DeSorbo: girl wait i had a situation with a therapist where i basically was like hey i think i'm done like thank you so much for everything love you bye she responds she goes okay that's not how we end things love your work love your work five stars i highly recommend and was my number and she was like we need to talk about this like this is so you and i was to just run away from things and not process your emotions and I was like nope definitely processed it thought it through actually was thinking through for a while now and I finally got the guts to get out and she's like no let's have a talk about it and then she convinced me to do like every other week and then and it basically was like really hard to break up with her no because sometimes like obviously like anything

8:26Hannah Berner: else life gets so busy but then you feel like you're in those sessions and you're like I really don't have anything to talk about and you're like I feel like I'm wasting your time I'm certainly wasting mine and then those are but sometimes those are the sessions where like there's some type of like breakthrough from something like years ago that like you wouldn't be talking about

8:49Paige DeSorbo: today do you know what i mean i also think therapy is expensive so occasionally the therapist look i'm charming yeah occasionally we start riffing on something and in my head i'm like that was two hundred dollars of like and low-key like i did make you laugh we could just do the pod twice

9:05Hannah Berner: I'm like, we could have made this a podcast.

9:08Paige DeSorbo: But also with therapy, traditional talk therapy, I learned, is not always good for someone like me where all I do is talk. So it's like I will like ruminate or have like thoughts that I'm like obsessing over. So then sometimes I'll get over it, but then a therapy session will be starting and I'm like, oh shit, do I have to go back into that dark place to talk to her about it when I actually was moving on? So there's other methods of therapy that I've been looking into. like like edm edmr which is asmr edm edm you're gonna start raving

9:47Paige DeSorbo: ayahuasca um there's all kinds of ways of things my cyrus did edmr it's basically like when you've been through trauma it's like a trauma reprocessing thing i haven't done it yet so i'll keep you guys posted but um i have too much time on my hands this summer wait you're still not explaining it

10:04Hannah Berner: though you like you go somewhere and you lay down and you listen to things okay no i'm just doing

10:10Paige DeSorbo: virtual therapy but emdr i think like you talk through a hard time and you do something with your eye movements that helps you like reprocess it um but i don't know yet but i know miley cyrus did it and she's really good at singing okay sometimes and people don't talk about this

10:28Hannah Berner: sometimes therapy is hard for me because I have such a bad memory like I'd love to work through something but like I literally can't think of I can't remember anything so I don't know I can't imagine you in therapy as your therapist I can't imagine you in therapy I can't imagine you seriously like talking about something that isn't like good gossip

10:56Paige DeSorbo: like you'd be so bored you're like yeah i was sad tell me about what's going on with you wait what's your opinion on having a good-looking therapist well here well okay i don't i okay are you okay yeah i could i could never have a man therapist well that's not a therapist that's just a man who got a degree yeah I could never have a male

11:24Hannah Berner: therapist so what are my thoughts on like a pretty therapist my therapist is pretty I can only have a pretty therapist I have to stare at her for an hour I need her to be gorgeous see I'm like what have you been through yeah yeah because here's the other thing like I I used to think like when I first started having therapists, I was like, OK, I need someone that's like a mom's age. Like I need someone older, wiser. And as I get older, I need someone that's closer to my age. But then but then it's also like, OK, do I trust someone my age?

12:01Paige DeSorbo: I think I said this on the I might say this on the pod, but I was looking for therapists. And one of the girls, she said that she graduated in 2013. teen and I go yeah you're not good at your job you just graduated college babe with me we're babies who just graduated and then I was like wait she's been in this field for over a decade

12:21Hannah Berner: yeah no it's like very jarring but it's like yeah obviously so yeah mine is actually very close to

12:26Paige DeSorbo: my age but I did learn about myself by like who I chose as my therapist because I tried to be like honestly when you get back into dating where you're like I'm not just gonna jump into the first person that gives me attention and i had a couple different ones and i ended up choosing like the quirkier one and i was like am i the problem well you need something to like i want it to be

12:47Hannah Berner: fun my current therapy though that i'm i'm doing right now is instead of pancakes for the table it's ravioli and everyone seems to be a fan wait first of all no one talks about how cute raviolis are like adorable for no reason here's the thing i'm i've been getting ravioli every single night for dinner and it's just like it's starting to be too much but i can't stray away from it but i i feel like i need to try other things so the other night at dinner i was like you know what mom i'm just gonna get a ravioli for the table and whoever wants some can have some no one had any and so i i've it's just me getting two entrees is what i do love just like when you can't decide just say

13:30Paige DeSorbo: one things for the table and eat it for yourself so you look generous and you get what you want exactly but also with ravioli just to like support ravioli for a second is it comes in all shapes and forms like it's not like always the same thing and you could get like spinach in it which is healthy

13:47Hannah Berner: sometimes i'm getting like smaller circular ones and then other times i'm getting fat square ones oh my god you're so cute chubby and you want to know what that's my form of excitement now as it's coming over to the table which one is it gonna be is it is it that thick butt ravioli i can get those big squares or am i gonna get you walk away ravioli yeah

14:11Paige DeSorbo: well i i love that for you can you post it next time because you look beautiful but i'm gonna need some real content okay i'm gonna need some parmesan no definitely i have a lot of stuff i want to talk about oh i have children i was just gonna

14:28Hannah Berner: to say i think you should start with the most important thing for if you're on youtube this is

14:33Paige DeSorbo: a bonus for you in the back you're gonna see i have all my kittens you can't see them but you see where they're living i'll have grace bring some to you later she's with me right now taking care of the kittens it's part of her job description um it was crazy because grace came to visit so i said what is the perfect day in west hampton for grace i said we're gonna wake up we're gonna get coffee we're gonna go to the animal shelter we're gonna play some tennis and we're gonna nap and pool and sleep yeah she said yes my my dream weekend okay and I will curate that for you you know I'm I have it written out so Des is like okay I'll drive you guys to the shelter because i can't drive and we get there and like wait i

15:25Hannah Berner: daddy like i know you can't drive but but i didn't i don't put you in every context of like you not driving no when i have to go somewhere i have to be like hey i've never thought about like you have a friend over basically and you have to be like hey like we kind of want to like go do this like thing together and he has to drive you we want to go to the movies can you take us

15:46Paige DeSorbo: so he he takes us and i was so well behaved because this wasn't about me this trip this was about grace and grace getting comfortable with different cats seeing if she likes cats and i think because i played it so chill and cool we're talking to jill head of south impton animal shelter cats the cat wrangler the cat shaman and she was like we have we're overflowing with kittens right now we need to get kittens adopted and i was like i'll tell the gigglers she goes i have a bunch in the in the back room still that are still getting their shots and stuff and i go show me show me what's going on in the back brings me to the back and she goes

16:24Hannah Berner: we have these three that just came in it's just a matter of time before you buy one of these places

16:29Paige DeSorbo: i go how much is the whole place i go fuck the cat how much is this square footage look page and i've been podcasting a lot lately i'm gonna put all my giggly squad money yeah um so we're looking at those three cats like they were found in bridgehampton and rescued and we just need someone to foster them for like a week or two and des goes okay we can foster them des has never ever done that ever this man loves you that is his love language giving me kittens and i pretend i was like oh i i didn't i wasn't trying to foster any kittens but if you if you say so i will and now we're we have three babies now you're a proud family of three children right now the names are hazelnut um cashew and peanut but they're up to debate oh grace wants to bring one yeah if you're not on youtube i'm sorry you're really missing out you're really missing out but our job is to socialize them

17:42Hannah Berner: oh wait it's shit sorry no it's just the cutest that's peanut do you want to bring um oh my gosh

17:51Paige DeSorbo: cats are the best do you want to bring um hazelnut thank you next next up cat pod this is i was joking this is like this is a cat pod this is page on amazon live and now we have the cutest literally cutest girl her name is hazelnut she is adorable i bite you wait all of anything you've ever named has been a food i'm obsessed with food names i'm obsessed with them but i know what you guys are thinking hannah what about butter what about your literal daughter that you had from

18:26Hannah Berner: your womb no one thing about you you stay pissing butter off butter like this i swear to god

18:33Paige DeSorbo: yesterday we bring the cats and grace looks at me she goes what's butter gonna do i'm gonna say butter's gonna wait i got too excited butter goes can i have a day yeah can i have a literal day literal day so butter walks in the sunroom thinking it's a normal day sees that there's something going on in this pen flip like her tail gets all fluffy and goes absolutely not hasn't left my bedroom in two days and she knows there's something out there and does not want to know what it is wait that's so she's like i don't her none of my business she goes whatever's going out there is none of my business i don't want to know she's happy she's I'm not even getting involved.

19:19That's literally.

19:20Paige DeSorbo: She saw some drama and she said, I've had enough. Like, I don't care about it. So the family's good over here. How is your family? How's the dynamics on vacation?

19:30Hannah Berner: My family, we have been having a lot of fun. Okay, my brother's girlfriend, thank God for her. Because she has been taking Italian for like a couple years. so like anytime we get into a pickle where like we don't really know what's going on she just like comes right in and like starts talking and it's i mean i'll never come to italy without her like i'll never not have a translator like she's just it's so much easy it's so much it makes the

20:01Paige DeSorbo: experience so much better do people come up to you and speak italian because you you look so fucking italian okay well here's the other thing everyone i think legitimately does think that we

20:16Hannah Berner: speak italian because so many people go up to my mom and start speaking italian but then like i'll see other americans we're like and they'll just go up and start like speaking english and so we do feel a little bit better than people here because they do i think they do think that we're authentic You are in your homeland. Yeah, so that makes us feel better. This place is just like, there's so many crazy things. Like the other night, we're walking back from dinner. Actually, Sierra, it was the night Sierra was here and she came to dinner with us. And we're walking back and we're just like, is that Elton John playing?

20:56Hannah Berner: Like the island is not big. So like anywhere he and yes, it was Elton John was performing in the back of our hotel at like a party. And we were like, what is going on? And it was just a really just a really low key baptism. That's so Italian. I thought someone was going to be like, oh, it's a wedding.

21:22Paige DeSorbo: That's their quinceañera, like a baptism in Italy. they're like this shit's about to be lit because god is i don't know what they do at baptisms but god's coming wait did he play tiny dancer i hope he did um so i didn't hear that one but i heard

21:37Hannah Berner: him play like three songs so it was a lit baptism i mean it was like the crazy i was like what is this experience that we're having right now and then i saw our charades partner in the pool the other day tell me everything so i'm so i literally get in the pool and i'm like with my family and all of a sudden this man swims by and i'm like i think that's patrick schwartz wait he was like

22:02Paige DeSorbo: who swims in a pool who actually swims i felt like i was at i felt like i was at summer camp

22:09Hannah Berner: where i'm like hey i went to camp with like hey are your parents divorced my parents are divorced he comes up from the water he takes goggles off he spit in my face she went to go in the hot tub i heard honestly it was giving white lotus season two like we were in italy we're in this pool i'm like what's going on i'm like hi and he looks at me and he's like hi and i was like i was on jimmy fallon with you and he was like oh yeah and then we just started chatting and then like other people in the pool were just like it was just a very interesting experience it was just so funny well it's funny because that was the reaction

22:50Paige DeSorbo: john ham had with me who i've seen 47 times this year but it's like when they see you in different random places like he was at the new york library yeah and i just go oh hi and he looks at me like

23:02Hannah Berner: hi and i go i beat you in charades and he goes oh how is that not burnt into your brain i know

23:09Paige DeSorbo: you just got over it with your therapist but let's bring it back um yeah but patrick was so friendly with us like i actually felt like we were best friends and when he left i was like okay like

23:20Hannah Berner: what do we do without patrick now right well he's vacationing he's doing well he's on vacation

23:26Paige DeSorbo: the amount of people that are probably making stupid jokes about white lotus to him about like

23:31Hannah Berner: drinking milkshakes i feel no i literally that is all i was thinking because then don't do it don't do it then he got out of the pool and i could tell like certain people were going up and being like hey like huge fan or whatever and i was like the amount of white lotus jokes that people probably think are so original that are being just yelled at this man all day long um

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28:45Paige DeSorbo: Let's discuss on the docket.

28:47Hannah Berner: Yes.

28:48Paige DeSorbo: Do you think it's a coincidence that we, one of the Today Show, a week later, Hoda announced her retirement. then we finally meet anna wintour at an event about a month ago and now she has announced her retirement are we the black widows okay are we the problem because i've been i've been working with my therapist on on you know going inward am i the problem here we make everyone quit their job she saw us at that event and she goes and the industry's done she goes who are you okay i gotta go yeah i'm i'm she was like seen at a bar just like drinking

29:33Hannah Berner: wait i saw that i was like on instagram i was like that is she's like i've actually been sober

29:40Paige DeSorbo: my whole life but i'm gonna relapse after meeting hannah page at the new york public library hannah if you talk to john ham one more time i'm gonna lose it no i couldn't believe she was stepping

29:50Hannah Berner: down do you want to know why what shocked me the most this is like so has nothing to do with anything when it said like oh after 37 years i was like oh she seems like the type of person that would have wanted to retire on like an even number like at like 40 i was like 37 doesn't

30:13Paige DeSorbo: you go that doesn't seem chic okay interesting wait that's so you to care about those things

30:20Hannah Berner: that is so you i was like but wouldn't the headline sound better like a 40 years

30:26Paige DeSorbo: you go obviously the press release was gonna say 37 and it's kind of an ugly number 37 is kind of ugly 37 is like such an ugly number seven in general like gag gross but 38 is is giving elevated editorial 38 38 that is like when you have a so true when you have an uneven birthday everyone's

30:51Hannah Berner: like i'm not celebrating your 33rd and why do i feel like 33 is like overweight oh the number i was like to just

31:02Hannah Berner: like 33 the number it's like it looks over like it's overweight but 34 34 jogs yes 34 runs

31:11Paige DeSorbo: dabbles and pilates yeah for sure

31:17Paige DeSorbo: and everyone in their 20s you're doing great you just have anxiety you'll be fine yeah literally it doesn't count it doesn't count um i was talking to someone yesterday about fashion because that's what i do as you know people are like hannah tell me about pages fashion i'm like i will and we were talking about how i feel like there's two types of girls girls that either own like a ton of tops or girls who own a ton of bottoms yeah i realize i own neither okay you know some people who were like yeah i have my jeans like i have a couple jeans but like i love buying a ton of tops i have way more tops than i do bottoms i feel like i never even think about bottoms i just like assume it's there and then like six years later i'm like oh i should get new jeans pants yeah yeah i just assume the bottoms figure itself out i'm always i'm i'm

32:15Hannah Berner: always having a tough time finding pants where i feel like i love so many shirts i'm like i need

32:21Paige DeSorbo: that top well people make fun of millennials because we were obsessed with going out tops yeah we love tops now we don't really know what like a going out top is but blazers are back which that was all us what are blazers just like wearing oversized blazers all the time

32:39Hannah Berner: where they i don't feel like they went anywhere but like going out wise i feel like girls weren't wearing oh oh oh oh oh yes yeah yeah yeah no like not when we were in college no yeah with

32:52Paige DeSorbo: like our little skirts have you heard it's sardine girl summer did you see my fish bag page that was the best accessory i've ever seen like the second i saw it so cool it was so cool it was so good for italy the aesthetic the vibes were amazing how'd you find it okay this is

33:13Hannah Berner: actually gonna be a very funny story i've been waiting all day for you to ask about my bag how i found it because it's so not me and i don't want you to get jealous because you're my best friend and no one could ever take your place so one day i was like on instagram and i'm just like scroll or maybe i was on tiktok and i don't know i think i was on instagram and i was just like scrolling and i like saw this girl and i was just like wait this girl is like so like i just like like this girl and so like i would keep like always like looking at her instagram pictures and i'd be like oh my god she's like such cool style and then like i was watching her videos and i was like are you sure this wasn't my profile i feel like i would be like friends with this girl and that's like so not me you're creepy you're being a creep that is so not me so whatever so i never wanted to be friends with anyone i was having a parasocial relationship i was like in my head this is what this girl is like in real life and i feel like we would be friends yeah so whatever i message her and we start like chatting and like i and i was like yeah like kind of like her we've never like met in person and we've never like like it's like a slow burn type of thing but she she came out with bags and she was like can i send you one and i was like absolutely and so it got there like right before i left for italy and when it got there i was like this is the sickest bag ever the company is called the uh vin v-i-n um and so that's how i have it your phone in it depends on the phone could did i put my phone in it i think i did It depends on the phone.

34:54Hannah Berner: I actually don't know if I put my phone in it. But not important. Not important. But I have a suction cup phone, so I can stick it. I stuck it right to the back. You go to a restaurant, you just stick it on something.

35:06Paige DeSorbo: I'm good. No, it's so cute. So cute. I love Sardine Girl Summer. I feel like it's very eclectic, Grandpa. I'm very into it. Anything with fish or food?

35:20Hannah Berner: okay actually speaking of fish um so there's so many like stray cats around here and like the past couple of years I've like seen them but now that I'm like a full cat mom now I like I really spot them and I feel like they've like also been giving me the same energy back I even tonight was like oh should I order like because the restaurant we had to go to tonight we had to take it was like a really long walk and I saw like four different cats I'm literally sitting at the dinner table and in my head I'm like should I order a fish so that like if I don't eat it all I can like put some in my hand and on my way back I can give it to a cat and I was like oh my god

36:08Paige DeSorbo: oh my god i have entered a whole new era um page you texted me a couple days ago out of the blue do you follow merv the cat on tiktok

36:24Paige DeSorbo: i was like oh she's she's in deep she's this is i thought you were gonna text me something important do you follow Merv the cat on tiktok all my tiktok is alert the un no my whole tiktok

36:38Hannah Berner: is cats and capri pants different ways to wear capri pants and cats Merv the cat is one of the best cats ever I'm obsessed with her she it's yeah did I then do like a 40 minute deep dive

36:53Paige DeSorbo: on Merv yes Merv is Siamese and Merv speaks to its owner and my only complaint about Merv

36:59Hannah Berner: they don't post enough I need more I want I want so much more content you want a live feed of Merv

37:09Paige DeSorbo: well that's how I feel of your food content in Italy that you're like

37:13Hannah Berner: literally that I'm like literally gatekeeping okay I'm gonna actually I'm gonna post so much food tomorrow um wait what okay so when it comes to this trip my mom pretty much plans like and we're not like active like we're not sightseeing people like i've never learned the history of any anything here like i literally just know the restaurants we lay in the pool and then we go to restaurants so my mom pretty much does all the restaurant reservations and i don't know i saw this like one restaurant on TikTok or something and I sent it and I was like oh like let's for one of the nights try this like new place that we haven't been to before and it's like a Michelin star restaurant and I think it's gonna be like a really fun experience it was so bad that it actually made the dinner so fun like it was so funny was it like a bit like it became a bit it became a bit like if it came a full bit that like how could we possibly have found a bad restaurant in italy

38:20Paige DeSorbo: and then of course it's like will page found it like it was just and also it has a michelin star like the whole point of michelin star is being like we've edited it it's definitely great it's definitely yeah it's the best in the world it was so bad dad coded though dads hate fancy restaurants My dad's favorite thing to do is go to a fancy restaurant and then go, can we go to McDonald's now? I'm hungry. I'm hungry. Can we get a pizza?

38:47Hannah Berner: We added a person to our reservation because Sierra came and the hostess was like a little bit snippy about it. And she was like, well, I don't know if we can accommodate it. And my dad was already pissed off that we were going to this restaurant. Then he goes, well, then I don't have to eat. And he went in bad. So dramatic. He literally looked at our family and goes, I don't need to eat if you guys need the other place. And my mom was like, what? Like, what are you talking about? He's so dramatic.

39:16Paige DeSorbo: I love to see who becomes the diva in the family because everyone has their own triggers. And on vacation, everything will eventually trigger someone. So to see who's having the meltdown of the night is so funny.

39:28Hannah Berner: Our family dynamic is funny because my dad's obsessed with me. my mom is obsessed with my brother my brother doesn't give a shit about my mom and i am like breaking generational trauma with my dad i'm like let's work on something for today how do we feel about is it because you feel like you

39:53Paige DeSorbo: and gary are so similar and you've done some therapy so you're like hey you don't need to

39:58Hannah Berner: take this note but i have notes okay well i well my dad has anxiety like my dad has severe anxiety and i don't think that that's ever crossed his mind so you have to explain what anxiety is yes because and because i'm like okay you know for example when we get to the airport you all of a sudden get really nervous yes i'm like that is anxiety

40:27Paige DeSorbo: explaining to an italian man what anxiety is is so fucking cute okay wait i'm gonna say something

40:34Hannah Berner: else and i hate to say it i hate to say it and i'm not a mom i'm not a mom the amount of nannies here is it's like it's so crazy like i don't i don't actually i haven't seen one mom i don't know where any of the moms are at the pool they're drunk but all i've seen are the kids and the nannies and it's so it's so insane and then after traveling with my parents i'm like i can travel with a kid if i can travel with you too or you might need a nanny for your

41:09Paige DeSorbo: parents yeah they're like having twins that's so funny actually i was at a coffee shop recently and this baby walks in and look well the baby didn't walk in it was carried let's be honest the baby was the baby was strolled in yeah yes and the this was a baby we're like you know when you make eye contact and you go oh you're a cute one like you're actually really cute and then for some reason in our DNA it's our job to tell the mother that their baby is like actually a cute one yeah so I'm walking by and the mom starts like smiling when she sees me and I just go by the way like so kid is really cute and she goes by the way I'm a giggler by the way not my kid I'm the nanny and I was like oh my god like you just never know who's who and I go oh, well, good thing you're nannying not an ugly kid because that makes it better, hopefully.

42:03Hannah Berner: I've been watching some of the nannies and I'm like, you deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. That's a crazy tantrum. And you can't even like really yell at that kid because it's not yours.

42:16Paige DeSorbo: Nannying is so hard because I also want everyone to like me. So like when I'm with a kid, I was babysitting Des's niece. No, sorry, nephew. I always get it confused. but he's like a full teenager and he teenage boys are crazy like he started they were like cat toys around for butter he started just like playing with the cat toys like a cat like throwing it around i was like you just give them some balls and they like chase it were you ever a babysitter in high school yes i did a lot of babysitting and i was the the moms liked me because i would get the tea from like the like 10 to 12 year olds I'd be like who are we dating like they'd trust me but I would let them do literally anything like crystal meth I'd be like as long as I'm here

43:05Hannah Berner: like I remember one time I went in to like buy cupcakes somewhere like I don't know that was like in high school I was probably buying it for like a boy or something I was very male centered um and I remember standing at the counter and I was like in my school uniform and the person like behind the counter was like hey any chance you like babysit and i literally remember being like ew and i literally i looked at this woman and i go no because she was like oh how old are you and i was like 17 i was like a senior in high school and she's like oh my god any chance you babysit

43:41Paige DeSorbo: and i was like ew no you looked at her you said you can't afford me you can't afford this i was

43:46Hannah Berner: like i would not trust me with your children i was more like teaching tennis but occasionally

43:51Paige DeSorbo: like one of my friends had like a crazy entrepreneurial babysitting business like ran shelter island in the summer yeah she was like hey girl dropped out need you from four to six and i'm like and she's like i give you 50 bucks and i said period let's go i go in but some of these kids were crazy like one of the kids called me a slut once because these kids don't know you and you know what i said you saw it into my soul yeah but we have we have does a few staying with us and suddenly like i realized like i'm not just like his friend like he's looking at me like i'm a mom so the morning he comes up to me and he's like what is there to eat yeah and i was like go hunt something who do i look like you're not sucking on my tit you're like uber eats i was like figure it out and then i'm like oh my god because 16 year olds seem like adults but then i realized like he has a mom who feeds him every morning so he looked at me like where's my food and i was like go fishing i don't know i'm trying to figure out what i'm having do i want a latte do i want matcha

44:54Hannah Berner: i'm dealing with my own shit no the moms need more praise because i don't know how they're doing it

45:01Paige DeSorbo: well this is the thing not to we always get back here but it's the first time ever we're like moms we i say we like i'm a mom i am right now we have our own jobs we're doing everything and expected to also keep like the house and to cook no no too much but that's why i think the nanny business is like getting crazy competitive like people try to steal each other's nannies and like high society in new york city i need more of the nannies to write books i want uber drivers and nannies to like be so fucking for real before social media like i wish there had

45:40Hannah Berner: been a reality show like about nanny i mean they would could never do it now it would never work

45:45Paige DeSorbo: but do you remember that one with that like mean british nanny that would come in and like

45:50Hannah Berner: discipline your children she'd be immediately canceled today she was so mean and there was this that would never people would never let that fly did you see the clip of the seven-year-old who

45:59Paige DeSorbo: had a mohawk who goes i don't like her she doesn't like punk rock i think she's a republican in or they would like switch i forget what the show was but that shit was oh i used to love when they would switch moms when they switch moms yeah and then you're like

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49:00Hannah Berner: Wait, one thing I wanted to say, and I'm so proud of us for when we have a certain opinion and we really stick to it. I feel like I was very pro-Jojo Siwa when people were like, she's so annoying. And what does she do? She thinks she's like she has a false sense of reality. And I just like there was something in me that I was just like, no, I I really want good things for her. Like let her dance and whatever. I'm obsessed with this era of Jojo Siwa. I watched a full TikTok of her making a charcuterie board where everything was red. and I was like never did I think I'd be here in 2025 where I'm watching Jojo Siwa cut out strawberries in the shape of a heart for a charcuterie board for her boyfriend and I love it I love it so much I stuck with you through the thick of it we forget and I could be wrong about

50:01Paige DeSorbo: this but I'm pretty sure for the younger younger generation Jojo Siwa was like their Hannah Montana like Jojo Siwa was huge like the biggest thing like selling out arenas just like being I'll

50:15Hannah Berner: never forget like the video clip of like Northwest like meeting Jojo Siwa when she was like little

50:20Paige DeSorbo: wait I'm drinking my Dunkin mango pineapple refresher which one did you get I just have

50:27Hannah Berner: coffee also don't forget we have a cute Giggly Squad times Dunkin merch giveaway you can win some of our favorite summer must-haves just go to giggly summer.com to enter i have two documentaries you guys have to watch are you if you're gonna say the mariska hargitay one i need to know

50:44Paige DeSorbo: everything did you watch it obviously i watched it i literally know i need to know everything for grace because she's here like to relax and the second we finish dinner i go it's documentary time sit down on the couch we have two new documentaries to watch you run a tight ship at your camp you run a type ship at your summer camp also we had we got into a little fight because one of the nights i i went to go pee come back she's gone and i was like wait that's so weird

51:15Hannah Berner: and rude she literally didn't want to hang out anymore and she she i was like she escaped like

51:21Paige DeSorbo: she waited for me to leave and was like it's my time to get out so the next day it's the way i'm so proud of her that is so me coded like oh i'll be right back see ya so you know if you did that i'd be like and she was done with grace i was like we don't do that in this relationship so we're spending like a normal morning i think we went to get smoothies and we're drinking smoothies and i just look at her and i go by the way you didn't say good night last night

51:51i said can i talk to you for a second why didn't you say good night to me and she looks at me and She goes, you know, it's crazy.

51:57Paige DeSorbo: I was walking down the stairs and I said goodnight and you didn't respond. So I thought you were being weird. And I was like, I didn't hear you. And that's why.

52:06Hannah Berner: And that's why as adults we talk things out and we talk things out.

52:09Paige DeSorbo: So anyway, force her to watch the documentary. Mariska Harkite, badass star of SVU. had her mom was basically like marilyn monroe less famous but of the time of blonde bombshell

52:31Hannah Berner: definitely inspired by marilyn monroe and i would say just as pretty i mean gorgeous gorgeous

52:36Paige DeSorbo: yeah also a tale as old as time a like genius she spoke like five languages was like a classical violin player and she died when mariska was three years old in a car accident with and she was in the car right the kids were in the car the whole family's in the car the three kids were in the back she was sitting in the back decided to move to the front and then the two boys were saved and as they wake up from like their concussion or whatever and they're on the way to the hospital they go where's our sister they go back Mariska was lodged like in between cushions and they almost left her there to die if her brother didn't wake up she would have been dead and we would never would have had SVU oh do you know one thing I love about Mariska Hargitay do you know that she met her husband on the set of Law and Order wait he's hot he's so hot she tells this story where

53:33Hannah Berner: like her friends were like you're never gonna meet anyone like you don't go out like you have to go out like you have to put yourself out there and she was like no like literally i'm not like i'll meet someone like they were like he's not gonna just like walk into your life and she said literally when she saw her husband like walk onto set she was like that's my husband what's so

53:52Paige DeSorbo: spectacular about this documentary too is because she has very complicated relationship with her mom she doesn't remember her but right when you grow up with a famous mom there's tons of footage and tons of magazine articles and what she was always told is don't read what they say about your mom it's not true which it's giving don't watch mom's tiktoks that's not her legacy oh my god but she realizes that the mom and the boys wait can i just say one of the bits on my family

54:25Hannah Berner: vacation that people are just saying and then laughing about is that i'm a new york times

54:30Paige DeSorbo: best-selling author that is so your family to be like you know it's fucking hilarious that you're you're a new york times best-selling are you loser

54:45Hannah Berner: it's so my family coded my mom looks at me and goes i mean really are you though they will keep you humble they will they keep me down to the ground okay no one brings up my family and if it is brought up someone goes and your mom wrote it no one takes me seriously

55:06Paige DeSorbo: no one takes me seriously either um so yeah her mom the brother was saying that she would put on a voice in interviews that wasn't like his mom which was her being like dumb blonde and cute and i mean the interviews persona yes and the interviews were so annoying like but the men And just wanted to like sexualize her obviously. And that's what was working for her. She wanted to be a serious actor. It wasn't working. I don't want to give it away. But if you watch the end. Mariska also learns stuff. About. Who she is. And her mom. That she didn't expect. And she goes through all these emotions of like.

55:48Paige DeSorbo: Do I hate my mom? Am I mad at my mom? Do I love my mom? And then by the end you realize that they are. so similar and it's like really beautiful and emotional you're gonna wait i can't wait to watch

56:01Hannah Berner: i'm so behind on all my shows i'm behind on love island my new show buccaneers started i'm behind gilded age started i mean it's that's just too much i can't get through any of it it's good it means you're having fun on vacation no i actually i'm like finally relaxing like it took it takes me like a couple days on vacation to get relaxed it took me like three weeks out here before i finally was like yeah like not a cat scared waking up in the morning no and like this is i mean this is the first year that i don't have to like go and like pack and go film and plan and like

56:43Paige DeSorbo: pre-strategize um and then the next documentary you guys have to watch on hbo barbara walters oh wow wait i didn't even know they were doing one on her neither did i as two women who interview people and who are journalists it's so fascinating because the times were so different back then first of all being a woman in the news wasn't a thing they were like women aren't gonna give the news i'm not listening to the news from a lady which is hilarious because i never asked my dad what's going on and my mom's texting me a hundred times like you're gonna die if you eat the cabbage

57:25Hannah Berner: from trader joe's wait i can i just say i remember i remember being little and seeing barbara walters come on like the screen like for the first time like when i was little and can i just say she used to scare the shit out of me.

57:41Paige DeSorbo: No, I was going to say, if you saw Barbara Walters on the screen, someone was in motherfucking trouble.

57:45Hannah Berner: Like, anytime she'd come up on the screen, I would just, like, immediately, I was one of those men. I was like, I'm not going to listen to the news from this lady because I do not like.

57:56Paige DeSorbo: So she basically inspired everyone, like Oprah and Hoda and, like, Katie Couric. Oh, Katie, our girl. yeah she said the funniest thing that barbara went up to her once and was like you remind me of me because we're not that pretty okay just call me miranda okay page oh my god i think she was like referring to like a lot of the girls on the news they're just like were like picked because they were models or actresses where like barbara was like i'm really i'm smart a journalist i'm an yeah a real journalist but then it talks about her like jealousy with diane sawyer when diane sawyer came into the game because diane was like younger and blonde and it is kind of crazy how it doesn't matter how successful you are life is about perspective and you could either make it like this one person is coming for me or you can like be grateful for what you have type of mental health moment yeah well i will say for

59:04Hannah Berner: how much we de-center men and we think that they are like the root of all the problems which like they usually are but no one hates on a woman more than another fucking woman i thought you can say than herself no well that's honestly that's a close second yeah but like all of your mean comments are from like men don't ever comment mean shit on it's all women men don't take down

59:27Paige DeSorbo: other men no they don't no they don't but like no they stick together yeah and only time a woman's

59:38Hannah Berner: getting torn down is like another woman's making the video doing the comment yeah it's not yeah that's very interesting oprah talks about how barbara walters was amazing at networking so it

59:52Paige DeSorbo: was all about your relationships with people so when something would happen that person would then get you know fruit baskets from every single news station and they had to decide who are we giving the interview to nowadays there's no like the interview because everyone has social media but back then it was like popcorn television the monica lewinski interview who's interviewing her and back then journalism was more like if you do an interview you have to get hard questions it can't just be like i mean barbara walters was a bitch barbara walters definitely looking back Like she said some crazy shit.

1:00:26Paige DeSorbo: She looked at. Crazy shit. She looked at Bette Midler and she was like from one to ten. How attractive do you think you are? No, she said some outlandish shit. But she was amazing at getting people like she would settle them in and then like out of nowhere get them with a zinger where they like weren't prepared. Imagine her.

1:00:49Hannah Berner: Imagine her hosting Secret Lives of Mormon Lives reunion.

1:00:58Hannah Berner: i love how that's where your brain went give her i immediately went to what reunion should she host we can't replace andy we'll go over there that would be amazing and then what's cool about her

1:01:15Paige DeSorbo: is as she got older when the industry was kind of like we're over you you know she created the view yeah i actually did know that it extended her career by like at least 15 years and she was like i want to do a talk show of women of multiple generations so i mean she's a badass they did also say that she prioritized work over everything including like everything her child having a child oh yeah her child she did have a child but she oh you know about barbara i know but yeah i

1:01:45Hannah Berner: I know about Barbara a little bit.

1:01:47Paige DeSorbo: Yeah.

1:01:47Hannah Berner: So I think honestly, I know about her because she used to scare me. So I feel like I had to know what that was. If your enemy's close. If I ever come into contact with Barbara Walters, I had to be prepared.

1:02:01Paige DeSorbo: Stop, drop, and roll. Don't make any sudden movements.

1:02:07Hannah Berner: You know what's interesting? I'm part of the problem because I actually did enjoy Diane Sawyer a little bit more than Barbara Walters.

1:02:13Paige DeSorbo: Also, you're part of the problem because you're hating on her right now. Another woman hating another woman. There we go.

1:02:19Hannah Berner: She's dead.

1:02:21Paige DeSorbo: Okay, don't call her that.

1:02:23Hannah Berner: Sorry. Sorry. And that was the ultimate insult, and I didn't mean that. That was too dark. But I just meant she's not going to know that I'm saying this.

1:02:31Paige DeSorbo: Yeah, she doesn't know. I mean, her spirit lingers on. Speaking of reunions and stuff, what do you think about Donna Kelsey on The Traitors?

1:02:41Hannah Berner: um if she wants to do it amazing i'm hoping though that someone like fully explained what she just signed up for because i'm like elder abuse i picture her as just like a nice regular

1:02:55Paige DeSorbo: like mom like who i would never let my mother do reality tv i do think traders is like not as bad as like a traditional show but like leave my mom alone they're gonna i haven't watched but don't

1:03:10Hannah Berner: they make them do like crazy things no you're doing like challenges i can't taylor taylor swift just cut her a check and be like stay home relax you want to know what the craziest part is is with traders you're going there they're taking all of your stuff like you don't have a phone you don't have a computer because they don't want you guys ever to be able to like contact each other but it's like okay like maybe they she's a mom i don't see people like not following that rule especially like you're getting paid to be on a show yeah and you can't like you have no connection to the outside world so you can't ever like call home you can't watch tv at night because if i said she's a mom and she has like fully 40 year old children and that's why i wouldn't do it Like I'm not doing that.

1:04:02Hannah Berner: I'm not not watching my shows for three weeks. Wait, you can't watch TV? No, because it's like you're in Scotland and like what TV?

1:04:12Paige DeSorbo: They don't have TVs in Scotland.

1:04:14Hannah Berner: You're going to watch the local TV in Scotland? What are you watching?

1:04:18Paige DeSorbo: You're like, I can't speak Scottish. I'm not, I don't know what's going on. I need a translator.

1:04:23Hannah Berner: No, I just like, I'm, I'm at an age where I can't be uncomfortable. I really can't. I so resonate with that. Resonate with that. I can't be uncomfy.

1:04:34Paige DeSorbo: It's not for me. I understand if she like, I actually don't understand. Because if it's a money thing, it's like, your sons are doing great. You birthed them.

1:04:43Hannah Berner: Unless she's just like a huge fan of the show and someone was like, you should do it. And she was like, I would love to do it.

1:04:49Paige DeSorbo: Maybe. But again, even if I'm a huge fan of something, it doesn't mean I want to do it. Yeah, let's give an example. hey let's play this game let's give an example well i'm a huge fan that i don't want to do like i never wanted to do the bachelor even though i used to love the bachelor i never wanted to be a contestant because i was like i could never i'm not fighting over a man but i will watch people fight over a man but now i don't anymore because it's it's too much in the jersey shore cast murder documentaries i love like i could never but i love them I love watching murder, but I wouldn't murder someone.

1:05:25I love you.

1:05:26Paige DeSorbo: No reaction to that one. You were like, yeah, that's a good one. I'm a huge fan of cults. Huge fan of cults. Bringing up the bachelor. I do have one piece of advice for dating. As someone who's so out of the dating game, like I don't even know what's going on. I used to love strategy. As you did too, right? We loved a little game. and I was recently thinking of like it's always hard with texting in the beginning like how you should text and this girl was talking to me she's like uh like you never want to like text too much but then are you texting too little and I was like you know what I think you should do you know when you're texting your friend and like the last word the autocorrect fucks it up that happens to me a lot like I'm trying to say something and I keep fucking it up and like clearly I'm just texting like chaos i think that's how you should text a guy you like like you don't care about the text so much that you're spelling everything wrong and then you're like blowing his phone up trying to spell it right and he's like wow this girl does not give a fuck about me if there's one thing i

1:06:31Hannah Berner: feel like i've learned in all of my dating especially now being in my 30s rules are made up we made the we as women made them up to like not to like rationalize certain things if he's obsessed with you he's going to be obsessed with you from the moment he meets you you could do literally anything he does not give a flying fuck if he is like in it he's in it and if he's not he's not and if he's not that's not your husband babe honestly period i have nothing to say like that was perfect like period slay boots down ground mic drop yes oh my gosh well

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