In short
The episode argues that “planning” (lists of controllable activities like building plants, hiring, launching brands) is not the same as “strategy” (a coherent theory of how you’ll win on a chosen competitive playing field). It warns that planning can be comforting because it focuses on costs you control, while strategy must specify an outcome dependent on customers you don’t control, creating necessary “angst.”
Guest backgrounds
No guests are identified in the transcript (only ad reads and a brief “Christy from Lululemon” promo).
Key claims
Strategy requires a coherent, doable theory; you can’t prove success in advance; strategy should be written simply (single page) with logic of what must be true; it should be iteratively tweaked.
Notable examples
Southwest Airlines vs. hub-and-spoke carriers—point-to-point flights, one aircraft type, no meals, online booking—to achieve lower costs and win market share.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Strategy vs. Planning
0:45 to 2:56
Learn the critical differences between strategy and planning in business.
“People would plan out the activities they're going to engage in.”
The Comfort of Planning
2:56 to 4:12
Explore why planning feels comforting but lacks strategic depth.
“Plans typically have to do with the resources you're going to spend.”
The Need for Strategy
8:31 to 11:55
Understand the importance of developing a coherent strategy for success.
“More planes, get more gates, maybe grow some, not having a theory of, here's how we could be better than our competitors.”
Transcript
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0:45Roger Martin:This thing called planning has been around for a long, long time. People would plan out the activities they're going to engage in. More recently has been a discipline called strategy. People have put those two things together to call something strategic planning. Unfortunately, those things are not the same, strategy and planning. So just putting them together and calling it strategic planning doesn't help. What most strategic planning is in the world of business has nothing to do with strategy. It's got the word, but it's not. It's a set of activities that the company says it's going to do. We're going to improve customer experience.
1:28Roger Martin:We're going to open this new plant. We're going to start a new talent development program. A whole list of them, and they all sound good. But the results of all of those are not going to make the company happy because they didn't have a strategy. So what's a strategy? A strategy is an integrative set of choices that positions you on a playing field of your choice in a way that you win. So there's a theory. Strategy has a theory. Here's why we should be on this playing field, not this other one. And here's how, on that playing field, we're going to be better than anybody else at serving the customers on that playing field.
2:16Roger Martin:That theory has to be coherent. It has to be doable. you have to be able to translate that into actions for it to be a great strategy. Planning does not have to have any such coherence. And it typically is what people in manufacturing want, the few things they want to build a new plant, and the marketing people want to launch a new brand, and the talent people want to hire more people. There tends to be a list that has no internal coherence to it and no specification of a way that that is going to accomplish collectively some goal for the company. See, planning is quite comforting. Plans typically have to do with the resources you're going to spend.
3:03Roger Martin:So we're going to build a plan. We're going to hire some people. We're going to launch a new product. Those are all things that are on the cost side of businesses. Who controls your costs? Who's the customer of your costs? The answer is you are. You decide how many square feet to lease, how many raw materials to buy, how many people to hire. Those are more comfortable because you control them. A strategy, on the other hand, specifies an outcome, a competitive outcome that you wish to achieve. which involves customers wanting your product or service.
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4:41Roger Martin:service enough that they will buy enough of it to make the profitability that you'd like to make. The tricky thing about that is that you don't control them. You might wish you could, but you can't. They decide, not you. That's a harder trick. So that means putting yourself out and saying, here's what we believe will happen. We can't prove it in advance. We can't guarantee it. But this is what we want to have happen and that we believe will happen. It's much easier to say, I'll build a factory. I will hire more people, etc. Then I will have customers end up liking our offering more than those of competitors.
5:34Roger Martin:The tricky thing about planning is that while you're planning chances are at least one competitor is figuring out how to win. When U.S. air carriers were busily planning you know what routes to fly and da da da there was this little company in Texas called Southwest that had a strategy for winning And, you know, at first that looked largely irrelevant because it was tiny. What Southwest Airlines was aiming for was an outcome. What they wanted to be is a substitute for Greyhound, a way more convenient way to get around at a price that wasn't extraordinarily much greater than a Greyhound bus. Southwest said everybody else is flying hub and spoke.
6:32Roger Martin:They have hubs and they fly hub and spoke. We're going to fly point to point so that we don't have aircraft waiting on the ground because you only make money when you're in the air. We're going to only fly 737s, one kind of aircraft, so that our gates are set up for those, our systems are set up for those, our training, our simulations are set up. We're not going to offer meals on the flights because we're We're going to specialize in short flights. We're not going to book through travel agents. We're going to encourage people to book online because that's less expensive for everybody and more convenient.
7:04Roger Martin:So their strategy ended up being having a substantially lower cost than any of the major carriers so that they could offer substantially lower prices. Because it had a way of winning, it got bigger and then bigger and then bigger and then bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger until it flies the most passenger seat miles in America. The major carriers were not trying to win against one another. They were all playing to play, as I say. They were playing to participate. Maybe buy more. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications and more.
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8:35Roger Martin:More planes, get more gates, maybe grow some, not having a theory of, here's how we could be better than our competitors. And that was fine until somebody came along and said, here's a way to be better than everybody else for this segment. And so that segment then goes, it's gone. And the main playing to play players have to share a smaller pie that's left over after Southwest takes whatever share it wants. If you're trying to escape this planning trap, this comfort trap of doing something that's comfortable but not good for you, how do you start? The most important thing to recognize is that strategy will have angst associated with it.
9:29Roger Martin:It'll make you feel somewhat nervous because as a manager, chances are you've been taught you should do things that you can prove in advance. You can't prove in advance that your strategy will succeed. You can look at a plan and say, well, all of these things are doable. Let's just do those because they're within our control, but they won't add up to much. In strategy, you have to say, if our theory is right about what we can do and how the market will react, this will position us in an excellent way. Just accept the fact that you can't be perfect on that and you can't know for sure. And that is not being a bad manager, right?
10:12Roger Martin:That is being a great leader because you're giving your organization the chance to do something great. The second thing I do is say, lay out the logic of your strategy clearly. What would have to be true about ourselves, about the industry, about competition, about customers for this strategy to work? Why do you do that? it's because you can then watch the world unfold, right? And if something that you say is in the logic that would have to be true for this to work is not working out quite the way you hoped, it'll allow you to tweak your strategy. And strategy is a journey. What you want to have is a mechanism for tweaking it, toning it, and refining it so it gets better and better as you go along.
11:03Roger Martin:Another thing that helps with strategy is not letting it get over complicated. It's great if you can write your strategy on a single page. Here's where we're choosing to play, here's how we're choosing to win, here are the capabilities we need to have in place, here are the management systems, and that's why it's going to achieve this goal, this aspiration that we have. Then you lay out the logic, what must be true for that all to work out the way we hope. Go do it and watch and tweak as you go along. That may feel somewhat more worry-making, angst-making than planning, but I would tell you that if you plan, that's a way to guarantee losing.
11:55Roger Martin:If you do strategy, it gives you the best possible chance of winning.
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From the publisher
A Plan Is Not a Strategy
29 Jun 2022
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A comprehensive plan—with goals, initiatives, and budgets–is comforting. But starting with a plan is a terrible way to make strategy. Roger Martin, former dean of the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto and one of the world’s leading thinkers on strategy, says developing strategy means going outside an organization’s comfort zone and escaping the common traps of strategic planning.
00:00 Most strategic planning has nothing to do with strategy.
01:00 So what is a strategy?
02:08 Why do leaders so often focus on planning?
04:05 Let's see a real-world example of strategy beating planning.
06:33 How do I avoid the "planning trap"?
For more from Roger Martin on this topic, read, "A New Way to Think: Your Guide to Superior Management Effectiveness": https://www.amazon.com/New-Way-Think-Management-Effectiveness-ebook/dp/B09KHKWB7B
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