In short
Leadership during volatility—how leaders respond when forecasting and strategy break down, risking “reacting” instead of leading.
Guest backgrounds
No guest names or biographies are provided; the transcript only says “We are live from Fetty’s house” with guests gathering around a TV.
Key claims
Instability and unpredictability disrupt short-term forecasting; leaders are likened to five-year-old soccer players making fast, non-strategic decisions, often in scarcity mode, without deploying skills or having the skills needed.
Notable examples
Soccer at age five—balls coming hard and high, going off the field; leaders “jumping” or reacting rather than catching, controlling possession, and anticipating based on training.
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Chapters
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0:34 to 2:37
Discussion on the challenges leaders face in a volatile environment.
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Transcript
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0:28Third-party subscriptions continue until canceled. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required compatibility and availability varies 18+. We're in a moment that I guess I would call dynamic, and I don't mean in the necessarily positive sense, but where you have volatility, but also major shifts.
1:07And I feel like almost everything is up for grabs. A little bit like the 1960s, although very, very, very different. What does good leadership look like when the ground seems to be shifting so dramatically?
1:18Brené Brown:I think what I'm feeling personally is massive instability and unpredictability. I just think even our ability to forecast in short increments of time has been completely disrupted. The metaphor I've been thinking about lately is a visual that I have of both my kids when they played soccer when they were five. And five-year-old soccer is a really fun thing to watch because balls come in really fast and hard at head height. and a kid sticks their foot up in the air and tries to kick it somewhere smart at head height and invariably it goes off the field. But I think that's what a lot of leaders are doing right now.
2:00Brené Brown:Balls are coming in hard and fast, unpredictably high. And instead of jumping up and catching the ball with their chest, dropping the ball to the ground, putting their foot on the ball to maintain possession, looking down the pitch, thinking strategically, anticipating where people are going to be based on training and skill. We're just making really fast, non-strategic decisions that sometimes are because we are in scarcity mode and we're not deploying the skills we have. And more often right now, I think it's we don't have the skills we need.
From the publisher
Are You Leading—or Just Reacting to Volatility?
17 Nov 2025
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In a moment defined by volatility and constant curveballs, many leaders find themselves reacting instead of leading. In our latest IdeaCast episode, Brené Brown breaks down why today’s instability is pushing leaders into rapid, scarcity-driven decisions—and what it means to “settle the ball” and lead with more grounded clarity.
Listen here: https://s.hbr.org/49kInFu
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