In short
How leaders should deliver hard news with compassion, distinguishing compassion from empathy and outlining a four-part approach.
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No guests are named in the transcript; the speaker states they have been a CEO.
Key claims
Empathy (feeling others’ pain) can delay difficult decisions and leave leaders “handcuffed,” while compassion enables action. Compassion has four parts: understanding the problem, feeling enough of the pain to be in the affected person’s place, rationally deciding what must be done, and having the courage to do it quickly.
Notable examples
downsizing an employee base by ~20% and restructuring whole organizations; the speaker advises preparation via prayer/meditation before delivering news.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Challenge of Delivering Hard News
0:34 to 1:40
Understanding the difficulty of communicating hard news in leadership.
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Empathy vs. Compassion in Leadership
1:40 to 2:27
Differentiating empathy from compassion and their implications for leaders.
“And you'll wait too long when it gets even more damaging to other people.”
The Importance of Compassionate Leadership
2:27 to 2:56
Exploring the role of compassion in making tough leadership decisions.
“If the only tool in your arsenal is empathy, that's going to be overwhelmingly hard and maybe something you're going to put off and that's going to make things worse.”
Improving Tough Conversations
2:56 to 3:49
Techniques to prepare for difficult conversations and decisions.
“That's fundamentally superior in every way.”
Transcript
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0:45Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. One of the hardest parts about leadership is giving people hard news. I've been a CEO. I know. Sometimes you have to say that your job isn't here anymore. Sometimes you have to tell whole organizations that there's going to be a new structure to things. And hard news is, well, it's hard. It's very important that leaders understand that that is not a good argument for avoiding hard things. Now, one of the biggest problems that we have is misunderstanding empathy and compassion.
1:26They're not the same thing. Empathy is to feel somebody else's pain. And when you're motivated entirely by empathy, it becomes a really hard thing to do, to do these difficult things. And you might even be handcuffed and unable to do them. And you'll wait too long when it gets even more damaging to other people. Compassion is different. The greatest leaders are compassionate. Compassion has four parts to it. Understanding a problem, feeling enough of the pain such that you can actually be in the place of the person affected, being able to be rational about what needs to be done, and then having the courage to do it.
2:01That's what it comes down to. Being a truly compassionate leader is what people need. Their greatest bosses are compassionate, not empathetic. And why are they compassionate? Because they love people enough to do what actually needs to get done. And what that is, that's just leadership. At the end of the day, let's say you're in a situation where you need to downsize your employee base by about 20%. And that means a bunch of people, including people that you've worked with for years are actually going to lose their jobs. If the only tool in your arsenal is empathy, that's going to be overwhelmingly hard and maybe something you're going to put off and that's going to make things worse.
2:40Compassion is one in which you understand exactly why this needs to be done. You put yourself in the place of other people such that you can understand what they're going through. You have a plan for how you're going to transmit this information and actually what you're going to suggest to people who are affected. And you have the courage to get it done quickly because that's in everybody's interests. That's fundamentally superior in every way. Now, one quick aside on this. How do you grease the skids a little bit? The Buddhists talk about having a loving kindness meditation. I'm a religious person and one of the things that I've done is I pray for people before I have to do a hard thing.
3:15I pray for the people that I'm actually going to affect in this particular way and I pray for the courage. So whatever your technique is, meditation, visualization, prayer, I would recommend doing that actually before you have the interactions with people as well. So don't misunderstand what I've said here. I'm not saying not to have empathy. I'm saying not to have unaccompanied empathy. Empathy is only step number two of four steps. And when you shear it off from an understanding of the problem, an understanding of what needs to be done and the courage to do it, then it becomes problematic because it's on its own.
3:49It's an unaccompanied virtue. And as a virtue, it can quickly turn into a vice.
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From the publisher
The hardest leadership moments are the ones you’re tempted to avoid. But delaying tough conversations only makes things worse. Arthur C. Brooks shows why compassion is what allows great leaders to act decisively—facing hard truths head-on while strengthening trust.More from Arthur C. Brooks: http://themeaningofyourlife.com/Books, tools, and more: store.hbr.orgFollow us:https://hbr.org/https://www.linkedin.com/company/harvard-business-review/https://www.facebook.com/HBR/https://twitter.com/HarvardBizhttps://www.instagram.com/harvard_business_reviewSign up for Newsletters: https://hbr.org/email-newsletters#HarvardBusinessReview #YourCareer #Career #Job #Work #Business #Harvard #HarvardBusinessSchool Copyright © 2026 Harvard Business School Publishing. All rights reserved.
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