In short
How Apple’s functional (by function) organization supports innovation as it scales from ~17,000 employees in 2006 to ~137,000 by 2019, and how leadership roles evolve for hundreds of VPs/directors.
Guest backgrounds
Roger Rosner, Apple VP of Applications; described as an “expert leading experts,” formerly deeply immersed in application details, now shifting to coaching/critique.
Key claims
Growth forces leaders to decide what to personally own vs. delegate; functional structures can outperform business-unit reorgs; leadership must evolve from universal expertise to selective attention and teaching.
Notable examples
Rosner’s three challenges—function size/project volume growth, widened scope beyond his expertise, and increased cross-function coordination—leading him to move work from “owning” to “teaching” via passionate critiques and feedback.
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Chapters
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0:45 to 1:42
Discover the challenges and changes in leadership as Apple grows.
“By 2019, that number had grown more than eightfold to 137 ,000.”
Roger Rosner's Leadership Challenges
1:42 to 2:59
Examine the specific challenges faced by Roger Rosner in his role.
“Some of those will fall within their existing core expertise.”
Flexibility in Leadership Models
2:59 to 3:44
Understand the importance of flexibility in leadership for growth.
“Now, he guides and gives feedback to other team members so that they can develop software applications according to Apple's norms.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:03Does leadership change when a company grows from 8 ,000 to 137 ,000 employees? It does, and Apple shows us how. Apple's way of organizing by function rather than traditional business units has led to innovation and success over the past two decades. But there have been challenges, especially with revenues and headcount having exploded since 2008. As the company has grown, its functional structure and leadership model have had to evolve. An example of the challenges posed by organizational growth is the pressure it imposes on the several hundred VPs and directors below the executive team. In 2006, a year before the iPhone's launch, the company had around 17 ,000 employees.
0:52By 2019, that number had grown more than eightfold to 137 ,000. Meanwhile, the number of VPs approximately doubled from 50 to 96. This means more details to oversee and new areas of responsibility that fall outside their core expertise. In response, many Apple managers have been evolving and adapting their leadership characteristics. Experts leading experts, immersion in the details, and collaborative debate. When Apple was smaller, it may have been reasonable to expect leaders to be experts on and immersed in the details of pretty much everything. However, they now need to decide which activities demand their full attention.
1:37Because those activities create the most value for Apple. Some of those will fall within their existing core expertise. They still need to own that. Activities that require less attention from them can be pushed down to others, and they can teach others to handle them. Here's how that works at Apple. As an expert who leads other experts, Roger Rosner, Apple's VP of applications, had to contend with three challenges arising from the company's tremendous growth. First, the size of his function had exploded over the past decade in terms of both headcount and the number of projects underway at any given time.
2:17Second, the scope of his portfolio had widened. Although apps are his core area of expertise, some aspects of these involve matters in which Rosner is not an expert. Finally, as Apple's product portfolio and number of projects have expanded, even more coordination with other functions was required. Rosner had been immersed in details, especially those concerning the top-level aspects of software applications. He also collaborated with managers across the company in projects that involved those areas. But with the expansion of his responsibilities, he has moved some things from his owning box into his teaching box.
2:59Now, he guides and gives feedback to other team members so that they can develop software applications according to Apple's norms. Being an instructor doesn't mean Rosner gives instruction on a whiteboard. Rather, he offers strong, often passionate critiques of his team's work. This flexibility in the leadership model is an imperative in any growing functional organization. Of course, Apple's example is rare, if not unique, among very large companies. They think different and challenge the prevailing theory that companies should be reorganized into business units as they become large. But its track record proves that the rewards may justify the risks.
3:43Under the right leadership and a functional structure, an organization can produce extraordinary results.
4:10Thank you.
From the publisher
How Apple Is Organized for Innovation: Leadership at Scale
27 Jan 2021
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As Apple has grown, its functional structure and leadership model have had to evolve. (Part 3 of 3)
This is part 3 of 3
Part 1--The Functional Organization: https://youtu.be/5hENFA3CJUY
Part 2--The Leadership Model: https://youtu.be/d5enAGG51PQ
Deciding how to organize areas of expertise to best enable collaboration and rapid decision-making has been an important responsibility of the CEO. The adjustments Tim Cook has implemented in recent years include dividing the hardware function into hardware engineering and hardware technologies; adding artificial intelligence and machine learning as a functional area; and moving human interface out of software to merge it with industrial design, creating an integrated design function.
Based on the HBR article, “How Apple Is Organized for Innovation" by Joel M. Podolny and Morten T. Hansen: https://hbr.org/2020/11/how-apple-is-organized-for-innovation
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