Stories Define What Kind of Company You Are

6 Jul 2026 · 3 min · 2 chapters

Ask about this episode

Ask anything about it. ChatGPT or Claude reads this page and answers with the times it was said.

Connect VO and ask about every podcast you hear, including the moments you saved. Add to ChatGPT · Add to Claude

In short

Leadership and organizational culture through “overstories”—shared community/company narratives that shape behavior.

Guest backgrounds

Malcolm (host/guest; healthcare leadership perspective).

Key claims

Practice varies by location due to “small area variation” (e.g., heart attack treatment differs between Buffalo and Boulder) driven by contagious community norms. These norms form an “overstory,” the sum of shared stories that becomes loose principles influencing people below it, often unnoticed.

Notable examples

heart attack care in Buffalo vs Boulder; takeaway for leaders: create, maintain, and change a company’s overstory to govern internal behavior.

Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.

Chapters

Tap a time to open that second in VO

Understanding Overstories in Leadership

0:04 to 0:21

Explore how shared narratives influence organizational behavior.

“It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.”

Understanding Overstories in Leadership

0:56 to 2:11

Explore how shared narratives influence organizational behavior.

“Malcolm, you talk in the book a lot about over stories.”
Hear the part that matters, and keep it.Open this episode in VO. Double tap your headphones to save a moment as you listen.
Get VO free

Transcript

Automatic transcript. May contain errors.

0:01This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome? That's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. Listen to the heartbeat. Chevy is called the heartbeat of America for a reason. With SUVs made to move with your rhythm.

0:35The versatile Equinox tackles your entire day. The spacious Traverse fits your crew and your whole weekend. And Trax brings style with value you can count on. All infused with tech that has your back. So your drive always hits the right chord. Chevrolet. Together let's drive. Malcolm, you talk in the book a lot about over stories. How does that apply to leadership? So over stories is this idea that I was trying to make sense of what is known in the healthcare world as small area variation. There are dramatic differences in the way that doctors practice from one community to the next. If you have a heart attack in Buffalo, you are treated very differently than if you have a heart attack in Boulder.

1:19It's something of a mystery as to why this would be the case? And the answer has something to do with the fact that there are these contagious community norms that govern the way people behave in those domains. I think this is a very powerful idea that clearly applies well beyond healthcare. There are norms that apply to cities and to towns and to companies and to professions. And what they are is a kind of what I call the overstory. They are The sum total of these shared stories values, they kind of coalesce and into a set of loose principles and they affect the behavior of those beneath the overstory, beneath the cloud in ways that we may not be aware of.

2:00The takeaway for someone who is in charge of a company is that creating and maintaining and changing those overstories is crucially important, much more important than we may realize. Paying attention to what the shared stories of a company or institution are is crucially important for governing the behavior of those within the institution.

From the publisher

Stories Define What Kind of Company You Are

11 Oct 2024

---

Malcolm Gladwell discusses the concept of ‘over stories’ and their impact on leadership and organizational behavior, highlighting the importance of shared stories and community norms in shaping practices and principles.

Listen to the full HBR IdeaCast episode here: https://s.hbr.org/3NnsodB

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

More from Harvard Business Review

All 539 episodes
Stories Define What Kind of Company You AreHarvard Business Review · 3 min
Listen in VO