In short
Challenges with the “follow your passion” career advice. Argues it rests on false assumptions that the labor market is meritocratic and that passion reliably converts into stable, well-paid work. Claims: access to family “safety nets” (college funding, post-grad support) and “springboards” (industry connections, cultural capital) shape who can launch into passion-aligned careers; employers reward passion because it increases unpaid effort (60–80 hour weeks, ramen-for-sustained-work behavior) amid structurally higher expectations rather than more hiring.
Notable examples
two equally passionate would-be programmers—one with coding camps and an aunt programmer vs. one with no coding experience—start decades apart.
Guests
none named in the provided transcript.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Myth of Meritocracy in Career Success
0:45 to 3:08
Exploring the false assumptions about passion guiding career success and the impact of resources.
“But there's been a century of social science research that has demonstrated that the labor market is not a meritocracy.”
The Reality of Passionate Work and Overwork
3:08 to 4:52
Discussing the implications of pursuing passion in a demanding labor market and the culture of overwork.
“of differences that are really baked into the structure of opportunities.”
Rethinking Work in Our Identity
4:52 to 6:34
The importance of diversifying our identity beyond work and finding fulfillment outside of paid employment.
“they're doing 60, 70, 80 hours a week in their one job.”
A Holistic Approach to Career Decisions
6:34 to 7:55
Encouraging a balanced view on career satisfaction that includes passion, financial stability, and personal fulfillment.
“identity is that no amount of passion for your job is going to mean that an employer is going to keep you if that employer is facing downsizing or other constraints.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Passion for your job is everywhere. It is in the way that we are supposed to think about the work that we do, what it means to have a good job, and at the end of the day, how we are supposed to feel about the jobs that we have. The idea that following your passion is the best career decision-making guide seems obvious, seems like it doesn't need any kind of explanation, but it's built on a lot of false assumptions about the way that the labor market works.
0:34One of those false assumptions is that the labor market is meritocratic, that the people with the most talent and skill will always succeed, and those who are lacking in talent and skill won't succeed to the same extent. But there's been a century of social science research that has demonstrated that the labor market is not a meritocracy. It is not fair and equal in that way. There's not equality in terms of who is able to turn what they're passionate about into a kind of gainful employment. One of the major ways that people are able to take the thing that they're passionate about and get a job in it, and get a job that's decently paying and kind of secure, is by relying on the resources from the families in which they came.
1:21I talk about this as having safety nets and springboards. Safety nets are often financial safety nets. Having a parent who is able to pay for college so you don't amass a ton of student loan debt, or be able to float you the money while you take three months after graduating college to figure out what your passion is about. Springboards are those connections that you might have that allow you to know somebody in an industry that you're passionate about and get a leg up. And that kind of cultural capital is really profoundly important for being able to launch into a job that's not only aligned with people's passion, but has some element of stability in it.
2:10So take for example two people who are equally passionate about computer programming. And one person has had the resources to have been able to go to camps about coding since they were young. And maybe they have an aunt who is a computer programmer as well, who tells that person about how computer programming is as a profession and what kinds of classes you can expect and what kinds of skills would be really useful for that person to be able to be successful as a computer programmer. And then you have another person who is really interested about computer programming, but has never done a line of code in their life before walking into college.
2:51Those two individuals are at profoundly different starting points. And so saying that the second person, as long as they're passionate about it, they will be able to get the skills as necessary, really belies the fact that these could be years, if not decades, of differences that are really baked into the structure of opportunities. We know that people who are going to put in 60, 70, 80 hours a week, but have had advantages that allow them to have a leg up, will have a better opportunity to be successful than somebody that doesn't.
3:30Employers really like people who are passionate about their work, but they like it because they believe that people will put more effort into the work that they're doing without asking for additional compensation or asking for recognition of the passion that they put in. People who are passionate about their work do tend to put in more hours than people who are less passionate about the work that they're doing. They're willing to eat ramen noodles for three nights a week as long as they can do work that they love. They're willing to forgo vacations or time with family or even starting a family at all if that's something that they're interested in, in the pursuit of work that they love.
4:13And in trying to pursue the work that they love, they're putting in these extraordinarily long hours to be able to find and secure and continue in work that aligns with their passion.
4:29We now exist in a labor force that doesn't deal with an increase in the amount of productive expectation by hiring more people. it just has greater expectation of the people who are in the jobs to do more work, right? So that means that people who are on professional jobs are doing not 40 hours a week, they're doing 60, 70, 80 hours a week in their one job. Many of the people I talked to said that following your passion wasn't irrational. In fact, it was highly rational because it was the only thing that would allow some kind of insulation from the drudgery that might come along with working for 60 years of your life.
5:15But what that does fundamentally is just provide an individual level solution to what is fundamentally the structural problems of the paid workforce, of paid employment. We have to address that structural problem with structural solutions. How we manage things like overtime pay and managing the expectation of overwork and work devotion. The message is not that we shouldn't enjoy the work that we do or that we should all follow the money and find work that's the most well-paying, the most stable that we can and disregard any consideration of work of whether we find work interesting or meaningful.
6:04One of the ways to deal with the negative consequences of the passion principle is to try and shrink the footprint of work in your life. Regardless of whether you're passionate about your job or not, trying to make work fit into a smaller time frame in your life will provide many more opportunities for engaging in activities that are meaningful to you and are fulfilling to you. One of the concerns about centering your work as a core part of your identity is that no amount of passion for your job is going to mean that an employer is going to keep you if that employer is facing downsizing or other constraints.
6:53If we lose our job, that can not only feel like a change or a loss in our economic security, but a change or a loss in our sense of identity and our sense of self. One of the most important things that we can do is think about about diversifying our meaning-making portfolio. And what I mean by that is finding activities outside of our paid employment that we find meaningful and fulfilling to us. That can be community service activities, some kind of intramural sport, some kind of artistic or creative endeavor. Things that we personally feel attached to but isn't part of our job. The idea of what it means to make a good career decision shouldn't only be about money or only be about passion, but rather should be a much more holistic balance that starts with the question, what do I want my relationship to paid employment to be?
From the publisher
The Surprising Problems with Pursuing Your Passion
23 Jan 2023
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Insisting on doing work you love can have downsides. Finding a job aligned with your passion might take months or years, sacrificing economic stability. What’s more, investing so much of our sense of identity in paid employment incurs an existential risk to our sense of self-worth, should layoffs or other business changes occur. The key is to be deliberate about how large of a role work should have in your life, says Erin Cech, author or “The Trouble With Passion: How Searching for Fulfillment at Work Fosters Inequality” (https://www.amazon.com/Trouble-Passion-Searching-Fulfillment-Inequality/dp/0520303229).
More on this topic: https://hbr.org/2022/10/striking-a-balance-between-your-passion-and-your-paycheck
More on Erin Cech: https://lsa.umich.edu/soc/people/faculty/erin-cech.html
00:00 Pursuing your passion seems like a no brainer, but it can be based on false assumptions.
00:31 One of those false assumptions is that the labor market is meritocratic and fair. It ain’t.
02:11 For example, let’s look at two aspiring programmers from very different backgrounds.
03:25 Employers love passion, but maybe not for the reasons you think.
04:40 Passion won’t insulate you from the stresses of the modern world of work.
06:30 Alright, what’s a healthier way to orient yourself towards work, then?
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